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但我们小时候吃的全是加工食品，白面包、花生酱果冻三明治、坎贝尔汤。

But literally, we grew up on totally processed food, on white bread, peanut butter and jelly, Campbell's soups.

坎贝尔汤是我们家的常客，还有通心粉配奶酪、简单的意大利面，这些都是最便宜的食物。

Campbell's soup was a staple in our house, and mac and cheese, it was the cheapest things you could possibly buy, plain spaghetti.

所以在美国，我们的饮食糟糕透顶，光是这一点就足以引发炎症。

So in America, we have terrible diets, which that immediately all by itself will cause inflammation.

最后一点，几乎每个人——百分之九十九的人都有这个问题，那就是压力。

And here's the last one, and probably every person, ninety nine percent have this, stress.

是的。

Yeah.

压力。

Stress.

光是有压力这一项，我妻子就写过一本关于细胞创伤的书。

So just having stress, and there's a term, my wife wrote a book about cellular trauma.

压力是一个层面的问题。

So there's stress, and that's one level.

光是这一点就会导致炎症。

That'll cause inflammation all by itself.

没错。

Oh yeah.

但有一项研究叫ACE研究。

But there's a study called the ACE Study.

我强烈建议每个人都去自己做一下这个测试。

I really recommend for everyone to go take this test for yourself.

这是关于不良童年经历的。

It's adverse childhood experiences.

他们在圣地亚哥做的这项研究，主要涉及十项内容。

They did this in San Diego, but it's basically 10 things.

你的父母离过婚吗？

Were your parents divorced?

你小时候有没有经历过言语或身体上的虐待？

Did you grow up with verbal abuse or physical abuse?

你小时候遭受过性虐待吗？

Were you sexually abused?

这些事情往往会接连发生。

It just kind of runs through.

我的得分是九分。

I'm a nine.

这十件事里，有九件都发生在我身上。

I'm like nine out of ten of those things happened to me.

所以我经历了大量的细胞层面的创伤，光是这一点就会让人身体发炎。

So I had a lot of cellular trauma, which that in and of itself will produce inflammation in somebody.

但你想想，当身体处于发炎状态时，会发生什么？

But think about this, so when your body is in inflammation, guess what?

它会呼叫消防队。

It calls the fire department.

那你知道消防队是谁吗？

And guess who the fire department is?

就是细胞内部的水分。

It's the hydration inside your cells.

它说：听着，我们知道你需要这些水分来让胰腺正常运作，避免得糖尿病，但你知道吗？

It says, Hey, listen, we know you need that to keep your pancreas optimized so you don't get diabetes, but guess what?

我们得先保命，所以得把胰腺、肾脏、肝脏、大脑里的好水分全都抽走。

We got to keep you alive first, so we're going to take that good hydration out of your pancreas, out of your kidneys, out of your liver, out of your brain.

不行。

Nope.

我们要把这些水分调去灭火。

We're going to take your hydration to put these fires out.

对。

Right.

所以身体一直处于紧急状态，就像体内警报灯一直在闪。

So the body is always in an emergency, like the red lights are always flashing on the inside.

你就想象一下炎症的真实样子吧——没错，我全身到处都在着火。

So picture inflammation in a real way, that no, there's fires all over my body.

我的身体把本该滋养细胞的水分拿去扑灭那些火，结果伤到了细胞——你想想，葡萄干和葡萄的区别在哪？

My body's taken my healthy cellular hydration to put out all of those fires, which damages the cell, because what's the difference between a raisin and a grape?

你的意思是？

You mean?

就是水分不足。

Just hydration.

对，我的意思是，所有

Yeah, I mean, All

葡萄干其实就是脱了水的葡萄。

a raisin is is a waterless grape.

没错。

Right.

它皱巴巴的，完全干瘪了。

You reap- It is shriveled up.

所以想象一下，你的大脑、肾脏、肺、皮肤，全都像葡萄干一样。

So imagine raisin organs, your brain, your kidney, your lungs, your skin.

皮肤为什么会起皱？

Your skin, why do we get wrinkly?

因为我们失去了正常的水分平衡。

We lose our healthy hydration.

当你体内炎症严重时，你就是在动用储备资源。

You're using your reserves when you've got high inflammation.

你把本该维持甲状腺、大脑、心脏和肾脏健康的水分，挪去应付别的事了。

You're using what your body's supposed to have to keep your thyroid healthy, your brain healthy, your heart healthy, your kidneys healthy.

这些水分本来不该用在这些地方的。

You're using it for something it's not really supposed to be used for.

但身体的首要任务是先让你活下来。

But the body's number one job is first, I got to keep you alive.

如果我们让身体回归平衡，处于平静健康的状态，那所有细胞都能充分补水，每个器官都能正常运作。

But if we put the body in a state of homeostasis and a set of peace and health, no, we'll fully hydrate all those cells so every organ can function how it should.

明白了。

Okay.

那这就引出一个问题了。我觉得你刚才已经非常清楚地解释了，细胞内外的阻力到底是什么，为什么这些外在因素——有些我们能控制，有些我们无能为力——会带来这样的影响。

Then that poses the question because we you know, I think you've given a thorough breakdown and understanding of the the way that we need to penetrate the cell, the outer resistance that we have, and the need and necessity of of what's happening because of all of the outer things, some in control and some like, we cannot.

那我们该怎么让水分真正进入细胞呢？

So how do we get the water into the cell?

具体该怎么做？

What's the the method?

背后的原理是什么？

What's the mechanism of action here?

到底该怎么做？

What is it?

这个问题问得非常好。

So, yeah, this was the great question.

顺便说一句，我就是靠这个申请了专利。

This is what I filed the patent on, by the way.

我不打算讲几千页的科学理论，如果可以的话，我直接分享几个实用的方法，帮你先启动这个过程。

So without getting into a couple thousand pages of science, if it's okay, I will give some practical steps that can begin the process.

好的。

Okay.

不会讲全部内容。

Won't be the whole thing.

你觉得怎么合适就怎么来。

Whatever you're comfortable with.

当然不会讲完整个流程，但整个流程其实很简单：你坚持88天，每天做这12件事。我知道你特别注重 accountability，也经常提到这一点。

Yeah, it wouldn't be the whole process, but the whole process is basically it's eighty eight days you commit, do these 12 things for eighty eight days, and I know you're a big accountability guy, and I know you talk about that huge.

所以我们希望每个人都能有人督促，因此我们安排了教练来帮助他们保持自律——顺便说一句，我们的所有教练都曾经是学员。

And so we want people to be accountable, so we have coaches that will help them stay accountable and realize, and all of our coaches, by the way, were clients.

其中一些，比如戴伦，是二十多岁、三十多岁的护士。

Some of them, Dylan, are twenty and thirty year nurses.

他们做完这个项目后，就辞职了。

After they did this, they quit nursing.

他们说：不，这才是我当初选择当护士的初衷——让别人真正健康起来。

They said, No, this is why I got into nursing, to make people healthy.

这彻底改变了我的健康状况。

This transformed my health.

所以我们有一些护士，糖尿病患了二三十年了。

So we have nurses that had diabetes for twenty, thirty years.

他们身上有各种疾病，但通过从细胞层面改善健康，全都逆转了。

They had all kinds of diseases, and they reversed them with this, by getting healthy at the cellular level.

太惊人了。

Wow.

不过，说这些主要是想让你了解一下我们的教练。

But anyway, that's kind of just to tell you a little bit about our coaches.

每位教练都有自己的一段奇迹经历，他们帮助人们坚持下去，保持责任感，确保大家能把这12件事坚持做满88天。

They all have their own miracle story, but they help people stay on track, they help them stay accountable, so that they do all 12 things for the eighty eight days.

所以你们所有的教练都亲自经历过这个过程？

So all your coaches have essentially went through this?

每个人都经历过。

They all did.

实际上，我们公司所有人都是这样。

Actually, everyone in our whole company.

这太完美了。

That's perfect.

没错。

Yeah.

你当然希望这样。

You want that.

我的意思是，如果我要做一件事，我就希望所有人都一起做，真正去实践、去相信它。

I mean, if I'm gonna do something, I want everybody to be doing it, you know, to live it, to do it, to believe in it.

我被说服的方式就是这样，而不是那种我知道全是忽悠的五百万美元营销广告。

That's that's the way I get sold, not the $5,000,000 marketing campaign that I know is bullshit.

你懂的。

You know?

这才是我真正想要的。

This is what I want.

对。

Yeah.

真实的生活经验，还有那些已经亲身经历过的人，告诉我该怎么做，接下来会发生什么。

Real life experience and people that know what they're doing because they've already been through it, telling me what to do and what's gonna happen.

是的。

Yeah.

我得补充一点。

And and I should give a qualifier.

在我前十一年免费帮助所有人的时候——顺便说一句，帮了成千上万人——每当有人来找我，问约翰，你能帮帮我吗？我的肝脏出问题了，或者脂肪肝，或者肾脏衰竭，或者得了莱姆病，又或者克罗恩病。

Those first eleven years when I was helping everyone for free, thousands of people by the way, when they would come and ask me, John, can you help me with, you know, my liver is failing, or my fatty liver, or my kidney is failing, or I have Lyme's disease, or Crohn's disease.

这十一年里，我对每个人的回答都只有一个，戴伦。

I had one answer, Dylan, for eleven years.

你猜是什么？

Guess what it was?

你来说。

You tell me.

我说的是，我不知道。

I said, I don't know.

我从不给人虚假的希望。

I would never give someone false hope.

对，当然不能。

Right, of course not.

所以我一直只说‘我不知道’，但十一年后，戴伦，我改变了回答，因为我从没见过任何无法逆转的情况，因为你所说的完全正确。

So I would only say, I don't know, let's But after eleven years, Dylan, I changed my answer, because I never saw anything not reverse, because what you said is 100% accurate.

根本就在于细胞健康。

No, it is all about cellular health.

所有癌症，说到底就是不健康的细胞。

All cancer is, is unhealthy cell.

是的。

Yeah.

就这么简单。

That's all it is.

所以当有人来找我，说你不懂， blah blah 的，我就会说：别急，我真的懂。

So when people would come to me, no, you don't understand, you know, blah, blah, I'd say, no, trust me, I do understand.

我帮人已经有二十九年了，我知道你的医生是怎么说的。

Been helping people for twenty nine years, and I know what your doctor said.

我说，但你知道吗？我认识好多医生，他们自己也得了绝症，现在却在我的网站上留言说：这事儿从医学上讲根本没法解释，但这个人真的找到了关键。

I said, but do you know, I have dozens of doctors, they had an incurable disease, and now they're on my website saying, I can't explain medically how this reversed, but this guy cracked the code.

因为我让细胞恢复健康之后，他们说永远不会再有功能的肾脏，说我必须靠透析活着，不换肾就会死——

Because when I got healthy at the cellular level, no, that kidney they said would never function again, that I'd be on dialysis, and if I didn't get a transplant, I'm going to die.

结果，它真的恢复了。

No, it reversed.

现在肾功能正常得很，我也完全不用透析了。

And now it's functioning great, and I'm not on dialysis.

类似这样的案例，我们有成千上万例。

And we have tens of thousands of those stories.

所以让我给你一些实际可行的做法。

So let me give some practical steps.

你们这些在看的人，记得记点笔记。

And you guys that are watching, you're going to take some notes.

记几条关键的，这些能帮你迈出第一步。

Take a few notes here because these will give you some first steps to get yourself started.

我待会儿要破除几个误区。

And I'm going to break a few myths here.

你知道的。

You know?

我知道你特别喜欢破除误区。

I know you love to break myths.

我每天都在做这件事，你尽管说。

I am all day, every day, man, so feel free.

我明白。

I know.

有时候听你说话，我都想放《捉鬼敢死队》的主题曲了，就叫《误区终结者》。

Sometimes when I hear you, I feel like that like the Ghostbusters song should come up like, Mythbusters.

《流言终结者》

Mythbusters.

我超爱干这事儿，真的。

I love doing it, man.

我一直这样，就喜欢找机会推翻各种说法，因为总归是有答案的。

I've always been that way, and I just I like to disprove whatever I can whenever I can because there's always an answer.

不对。

No.

真有答案的。

There well, there really is.

确实有。

There is.

我最受不了的那个词就是‘特发性’，这不就是说你们根本不知道嘛。

I don't you know what term I can't stand is idiopathic because all that tells me is you just don't know.

就是压根儿啥都不懂。

You just don't know shit.

当你放弃的时候，这正是我想的。

That's what it tells me when you give up.

我从不放弃。

I don't give up.

我就是想知道，想深挖下去。

I wanna know and I wanna dig.

所以我才请这些人来这儿分享经验。

And so that's why I bring in people here to teach.

有太多人懂太多我们不知道、也不被允许谈论的事。

And there's so many people that know so many things that so many people don't know or aren't allowed to talk about.

我觉得这才是最大的悲剧、骗局，说到底，这是一种极其恶劣的態度，因为你根本不想帮助别人。

And I think that that is the biggest travesty, hoax, and really, honestly, it's a hateful, hateful attribute to have because that means you don't wanna help your fellow man or woman.

确实如此，我得跟你分享一件事。

Well, it's so true, and I gotta share with you.

我刚起步的时候，是从电台开始的。

When I first started, I started on radio.

我一开始在田纳西州纳什维尔的超级谈话99.7电台做节目，每期两小时。

I started on Super Talk ninety nine point seven in Nashville, Tennessee, two hour radio show.

他们告诉我，约翰，你不能说你治好了谁。

They told me, they said, John, you cannot say you cured somebody.

是的，没错。

Oh, yeah.

不行。

No.

我说，可我们确实治好了啊。

I said, but but we did.

他们说，我们知道你确实做到了，但你不能这么说。

They said, well, we we know that you did, but you can't say that.

我说，什么？

I said, what?

不行。

No.

因为联邦贸易委员会不允许你这么说。

Because the FTC will not allow you to say that.

我就问，那我到底能说什么？

I said, oh, well, what am I allowed to say?

我不想被电台赶出去，我是真想帮到大家。

Because I don't want to get kicked off the radio, I want to help people.

他们说，你可以说你让症状逆转了，但不能说你治好了。

And they said, well, you can say you reversed it, but you can't say you cured it.

所以，戴伦，我不得不学懂这些规矩，但说实话，整个体系真的让我大开眼界——顺便说一句，我以前压根不想相信这些，我一向是个理想主义者。

So Dylan, I had to learn all these things, but it really is amazing that the whole system, and I never wanted to believe this, by the way, I really was just such a rose colored glasses guy.

我从来不信会有一个医疗系统，专门设计来榨干我们的钱，只让我们保持在‘不至于痊愈但也不算太好’的状态，好让我们不断回头花钱，我真的不愿意接受这一点。

I could never believe there was a medical system that was designed to just milk us for a lot of money, and keep us just sick enough to keep us paying, and keep us coming back, and I really didn't want to avoid

不过，人们就是不愿意相信这种事。

those Well, people don't want to believe that.

除非亲身经历，不然你真不会相信人会这样，对吧？

You don't want to believe people are like that until you experience it, right?

而你确实有。

Which you have.

对。

Yeah.

我来简单分享一下，给在座的女性朋友们一些鼓励。

Well, and I'll tell quickly, give some encouragement for your ladies out there.

我曾经参与过一项针对围绝经期、绝经期和绝经后期女性的医学研究。

So I was part of a medical study with perimenopausal, menopausal, and postmenopausal women.

我被分配了130位患者，你可以想象，那些男同事们都在那儿偷笑：这哥们儿可真惨。

So I was assigned 130 patients, and just imagine all the guys are chuckling like, That poor guy.

因为没错，这些女性确实面临不少问题，对吧？

Because yes, those women had some challenges, right?

围绝经期和绝经期的女性情绪波动很大，容易发脾气，还老出汗、长胖，各种状况接踵而至。

There's challenging, perimenopausal, menopausal, Women have a lot of mood swings, they can have bits of anger, because they're sweating, they're gaining weight, it's a lot of challenges.

但好消息是，我这130位女性患者，个个都取得了成功。

Well, good news is I had 130 success stories, all my women.

那些脂肪，医生说他们永远都减不掉。

They lost that fat, the doctor said, they'd never lose.

医生说：您得想开点。

The doctor said, Doc, you just got to get over it.

这就是你现在的身材了。

This is your new body.

这就是全新的你。

This is a new you.

你得慢慢适应。

Just get used to it.

这本来就是年纪大了的正常现象。

It's just part of aging.

别指望再有以前那样的性欲了。

No, you're never going to have a sex drive like that again.

反正就是一堆老生常谈。

Blah, blah, blah.

他们跟这些人说的那些话。

All the stuff they told them.

全都逆转了。

They all reversed.

性欲恢复了，睡得跟婴儿一样香，身材回到了大学时的样子，头发也变浓密了。

They all got great sex drives, slept like a baby, got back their college bodies, their hair got thick.

头发和皮肤的变化，这简直是我最受不了的一点。

The hair and the skin, that was almost a pet peeve of mine.

这些女性把所有这些变化都逆转了，但有九成的人只想说：看看我的头发，看看我的皮肤。

These women are reversing all these things, and 90% of them just wanted to say, Look at my hair, look at my skin.

她们对自己的头发和皮肤兴奋得不得了，可这一切全都逆转了。

They were so excited about their hair and their skin, but they all reversed.

我太激动了。

I'm so excited.

我在想，这对美国女性来说，这会是一个多大的突破啊。

I'm thinking, What a breakthrough this is going to be for the women of America.

然后我接到了一个电话。

And then I get the phone call.

朱比利先生，

Mr.

我们不得不请您退出这项研究。

Jubilee, we're going to have to excuse you from the study.

我说：什么？

I said, Excuse me?

请我退出研究？

Excuse me from the study?

我是被踢出去了？

Like, I'm being excused?

你们有看过我的病人吗？

Like, did you see my patients?

我说，我体重才一百五十磅。

I said, I'm 150.

我说，我的检测结果高得离谱，他们也这么说。

I said, My results are off the chart, they said.

老实说，这正是你被请出去的原因。

Well, off the record, that's why you're being excused.

这项研究是为了证明女性必须接受激素替代治疗，必须吃药，而你的数据干扰了整个研究结果，所以你得退出。

This study is to prove women have to have hormone replacement therapy, they have to have medication, and you are skewing the results of our study, so you are being excused.

这对我来说简直太震惊了。

That was such a shocker for me.

这简直就是给我敲了一记警钟。

That was my wake up call.

哇，这果然是个系统性的安排。

Like, wow, it really is a system.

这分明是个阴险的体系，一心只想让人不断吃药、吃药、吃药，永远只治表面症状，从不追根溯源。

It really is a diabolical system that's trying to keep people in the whole medicate, medicate, medicate, medicate, always just coming at the symptom and never going to the root cause.

男人其实也是一样，顺便说一句。

And the same thing for men, by the way.

我见过五十岁以上的男性，睾酮水平自然提升了两百到五百点。

I've had men increase their testosterone two five hundred points, and I'm talking 50 and over guys, 200 to 500, all natural.

只要关注细胞层面的健康，身体在任何年龄都能自然产生符合你基因蓝图的睾酮水平——也就是造物主原本设计你该有的状态。

Just by focusing on, hey, get them healthy at the cellular level, their body will still produce their testosterone at any age, in the right level, what I call your true genetic blueprint, what God designed you to be.

我不认同那种认为年龄增长必然导致激素下降的说法，这根本不是必然的。

Yeah, I'm not a fan of this age related decline concept that is always inevitable because it doesn't have to be.

年龄大了，确实有些变化是科学证实的，但很多你以为一定会发生的事，其实根本不是。

There's gonna be some things that change as we age, factually proven for sure, but there are so many things that you are led to believe are just gonna happen.

人们总以为这些变化是不可避免的，但事实并非如此。

It's just inevitable, and it's just not true.

有无数种方法可以预防、缓解衰老，延长寿命，活得特别好。

There's multitudes of ways to prevent, mitigate, extend life, and to live extremely well.

我觉得人到四五十岁甚至六十岁，反而是生活质量最高的阶段，当然有些习惯得随着年龄调整。

And I would argue some of your most quality timing years as you get into forties, fifties, and sixties, there's there's certainly some things that you have to change over time.

就像任何东西用久了都会有磨损，但很多我们被灌输的说法其实完全错误，大家却都照单全收。

It's just like anything else with wear and tear, but I guarantee you that there are so many things that we're told that are just completely inaccurate and people just accept them.

确实如此。

They do.

和你一样，很多人直到亲身尝试去改变时，才意识到现实并非他们想象的那样。

And like you, many people have the rose colored glasses on until they see it firsthand when they try to make a difference.

最让我困惑的是，当人们试图带来改变时，不仅被拒绝，还被明确告知：不行，你别想这么做。

That's the thing that puzzles me the most is when people try to make a difference and they get not only shut down, but they get stopped and told, no, no, you're not gonna do that.

这说明了什么？

And what does that say?

所以，当你坚持不放弃时，真的值得敬佩。

That's why it's commendable when you don't stop.

你知道吗？

And you know what?

如果你做的事是对的，上天会保护你。

God will protect you if what you're doing is right.

一定会的。

He will.

一直都是。

Always.

所以我现在总说，说实话，我老有这顾虑。

That's why I always say at this point now, it's like, I always have this worries, man.

我该不该谈这个？

Should I talk about this?

我该不该提这件事？

Should I talk about it?

我心里想，你知道吗？

I'm like, you know what?

对。

Yeah.

如果我觉得该说，那肯定是因为我知道，不管怎样，他都会保护我。

If I feel like I'm being told to talk about it, yeah, because I know he's gonna protect me one way or another.

如果我不该说，我自然会知道的。

And if I'm not supposed to talk about this, I'm gonna find out, you know?

但归根结底，只要你做对的事，最后总会好起来的。

But ultimately, when you're doing the right thing, it works out eventually.

我觉得你现在就能看到这一点。

And I think you're seeing that now.

完全没错。

Oh, 100%.

我想接着你刚才说的聊聊，你说得对，我们一直被灌输关于衰老的假话。

And I would love to speak to that, what you just said, because you are so right about we are lied to of the whole aging.

他们想操控这种想法，因为美国人口里最多的就是婴儿潮一代。

They want to try to program, because that is the largest population in America, by the way, is the baby boomers.

就是1964年及之后出生的那批人。

People born, whatever that is, 1964 and after.

这是咱们最大的一个群体。

It's the biggest demographic that we have.

所以他们希望这群人相信，你每天得吃一大把药才行。

So they want those guys to believe, You got to be on a whole box of medication every day.

你得考虑用助行器或者拐杖。

You got to think about using your walker, a cane.

他们一直在往这个方向推所有人。

They're trying to push them all in that way.

我想跟你说说我的亲身经历。

So I want to just tell you, this is my experience.

我的经历是这样的，我只讲一个故事吧，其实我能讲上一万例，真的，都是老年人。

My experience is, and I'll just share one story, but I could share 10,000, seriously, of seniors.

我说的是实实在在70岁以上的人。

I'm talking real 70 and over seniors.

不，我那些70岁以上的老人，每个人都长了十到十五磅的实打实的肌肉。

No, all my seniors gain 10 to 15 pounds of solid muscle at 70 and over.

我认识几个92岁的老人，没错，就是92岁，我跟你说个事儿。

I had a couple 92 years old, 92, and I'll tell you this story.

他们直接走过来跟我说：嘿，我们知道你是谁。

These guys literally come up to me and they said, hey, we know who you are.

他们说：‘我们能参加您的课程吗？’

They said, Can we do your program?

我笑着，眼前是一对可爱的老人夫妇。

And I'm smiling, just a cute old couple.

我就问他们：‘我能问个问题吗？’

And I said, Well, can I ask a question?

你们二位多大年纪了？

How old are you guys?

他们回答：‘我们九十二了。’

They said, We're 92.

我说：‘这样吧，我跟你们做个约定。’

And I said, Well, I'll you what, I'll make you a deal.

我说：‘你们可以参加，但得答应我，别在我这儿走掉。’

I said, You can do it as long as you guys promise not to die.

你们可不能在我这儿出事。

You cannot die on me.

这对我营销可太不利了。

That would be really bad for my marketing.

他们听了都笑起来了。

And they chuckled it.

他们说，我们会尽量多活几年。

They said, We'll stay alive as long as we can.

两位九十二岁高龄的人，参加了这个八十八天的训练计划。

So 92 years old, they enter this eighty eight day protocol.

这位老爷子在九十二岁时长了十七磅的纯肌肉，之后还开始练划船。

This guy gains 17 pounds of solid muscle at 92, and then he gets into rowing.

他后来就去划船了。

So he got into the rowing.

划船成了他的爱好。

That was like his hobby.

等他身体好起来，他就说：我挺喜欢划船的。

After he got healthy, he's like, Well, I like rowing.

他参加了田纳西州的赛艇州际锦标赛。

He enters the state championship for Tennessee for rowing.

他们年龄组里最高的是70岁及以上。

The oldest age category they have is 70 and over.

所以他报了70岁及以上的组别。

So he enters the 70 and over.

他赢得了州冠军。

He wins the state championship.

这样一来，他就获得了参加全国赛的资格。

So now he qualifies to go to the nationals.

他去参加了全国锦标赛。

He goes to the nationals.

92岁那年，他在马萨诸塞州波士顿赢得了全国赛艇冠军。

He won the national championship for rowing in Boston, Massachusetts at 92 years old.

天哪。

Jeez.

70岁以上的组别。

For 70 and over.

差了12下就破了世界纪录。

Missed the world record by 12 rows.

他气坏了。

He was so mad.

我对他说：乔，你可是75岁以上组的世界纪录保持者啊，老兄。

I said, Joe, you got the world record, for 75 and over, dude.

那些人可比你年轻二十岁呢。

Those guys are twenty years younger than you.

但他妻子特别厉害。

But his wife was so sharp.

她完成之后说：约翰，你知道吗？

After she did it, she said, You know what, John?

我可比这些年轻力壮的家伙聪明多了。

I'm smarter than these young ripper snappers.

我打算去竞选市长。

I'm going to run for mayor.

她93岁的时候当选了田纳西州某市的市长。

She was elected mayor of her city in Tennessee at 93 years old.

真了不起。

Wow.

所以说，不管多大年纪，我真的相信，人天生就该活到120岁，身体硬朗，安详入睡。

So at any age, no, at any age, I truly believe we're designed to live one hundred and twenty years at full strength and go to sleep.

你没必要病怏怏地死去。

You don't have to get sick and die.

不，你可以有尊严地离开。

No, you can die with dignity.

没人该在晚年到要别人帮着换尿布、擦屁股的地步。

Nobody ever should be changing your diaper or wiping your bottom.

我们理应健健康康地活到120岁，然后某天晚上躺下，就再也没醒过来。

We should be doing that till we're 120 years old, and then we go to bed one day and just don't get up.

这就是有尊严地离世的方式。

Like that's how we die with dignity.

但我的经验是，我见过成千上万七十岁以上的老人。

But my experience is I've seen thousands of people 70 and over.

他们跑五公里、十公里，跑马拉松，爬高山。

They're running Ks, 10Ks, they're running marathons, they're climbing mountains.

他们以前根本不敢想自己能做这些，是因为一直被旧观念束缚着。

No, they're doing things they never dreamed they'd be doing because they had bought into the old way of thinking.

但一旦他们加入我们的社群，看到别人都在这么做，就会惊讶地说：天啊，原来还能这样。

But once they get in our community and then they realize, Oh my word, like look what all these people are doing.

那也许，我也可以试试。

Well, maybe I can do it too.

你猜怎么着？

And guess what?

然后他们真的就去做了。

And then they do.

他们确实做到了。

They do do it.

我有个问题，如果你答不上来也没关系，这个88是从哪儿来的？

Here's a question, and if you can't answer it, I understand, but where do you get the 88 number?

是固定的数字吗？

Is that like that set number?

我只是好奇这个数字的出处。

I'm just curious where that comes from.

不是的。

No.

有意思的是，我知道你是个很注重科学的人。

So interestingly, and again, I know you're a very scientific guy.

比如我们身体里那些较大的骨骼肌群，并不是以88天为周期更新的。

So some of the larger, like our larger, skeletal muscle groups, those are not eighty eight day cycles.

但人体内大多数细胞的更新周期，大致是88天。

But in the general cycle of most of the cells in the human body, they work on an eighty eight day cycle.

明白了。

Okay, I understand.

所以你就会发现，很多医生都会每九十天安排一次糖化血红蛋白检测，因为他们知道，就整体细胞周期而言，这个时间点做检查比较稳妥，结果也可靠。

So that's why you'll notice a lot of doctors will schedule like an A1C every ninety days, you know, because they know in a general cycle, that's a very safe number that you're going to get a good test in that range.

不过有些细胞的周期其实是七年。

So let's say we But some of them are seven year cycles, by the way.

嗯。

Okay.

那按照你们的方案，身体会出现你所说的那种惊人变化，状态会大幅改善。

So we go through your program, miraculous changes like you're talking about, things drastically change.

接下来该怎么做？

Where do you go from there?

怎么才能确保我们一直维持在这个状态？

Like how do you make sure that we're still staying in the state that we're in?

问得好。

Great question.

我喜欢你提的问题。

I love your questions.

这真是个好问题。

That is a great question.

你可以把自己想象成一杯水。

So it's like, think of yourself as a big glass of water.

一旦杯子装满了水，保持满杯就很容易了。

Once you fill up a glass of water, it's really easy to keep it full.

最难的是把杯子装满。

The hard part is filling it up.

当然了。

Of course.

但只要装满了，维持起来就特别轻松。

But once you get it full, it's so easy to maintain it.

显然，我已经保持这种状态二十九年了。

So obviously I've been in maintenance for twenty nine years.

所以这二十九年来，我的体型一直没变过，一天病都没生过。

So I've really been the same size for twenty nine years, not sick one day.

回答你的问题之前，我还想跟大家分享一点：凡事都要适度。

And to answer your question, and then I do want to share one other point with people, eat everything in moderation.

我常跟人说，我最爱的蔬菜是胡萝卜蛋糕。

So I tell people my favorite vegetable, carrot cake.

我坚信所有东西都要吃得很均衡。

I love to everything in moderation.

我有两个十一岁的双胞胎儿子，他们特别爱吃披萨。

So I have two 11 year old I've got twin 11 year old boys, so they love pizza.

所以我每周至少吃一次披萨，双倍香肠，双倍辣香肠。

So I eat pizza at least once a week, double sausage, double pepperoni.

我吃的是真正的食物。

I eat real food.

我住在加州，In N Out汉堡特别火，所以我每周至少得吃一次。

I live in California, so In N Out Burger's a big thing, so got to eat that at least every week.

Chick-fil-A，我每周至少得吃一次。

Chick fil A, got to eat that at least every week.

所以我每天都吃真正的食物，但讲究节制，只要大家先做到我所说的‘打地基’，人人都能做到。

So I eat real food in moderation every single day, and so can everyone else after they do what I call build the house.

如果你盖房子时方法对了，需要盖几次？

So if you build a house the right way, how many times do you have to build it?

一次。

Once.

就一次。

One time.

这样的房子能撑过一百年都不成问题。

And that thing will last more than one hundred years.

我的意思是，欧洲有些房子都有一千多年历史了，对吧？

I mean, there's houses 1,000 years old in Europe, right?

可我们这儿呢，房子刚盖好没多久就拆了，再盖新的。

Now here we tear them down and build new ones.

但如果你盖得结实，这房子能用上一百二十年。

But if you build a house right, it'll last you one hundred and twenty years.

所以房子盖好了，还得日常维护。

So you build it, but then you still have to maintain a house.

草要剪，灯泡要换，这些都得操心。

You got to mow the grass, gotta change the light bulbs.

这就进入我所说的‘生活方式庆祝阶段’了。

So then it's what I call lifestyle celebration phase.

一旦你的细胞层面健康了，就会进入生活方式庆祝阶段，而且轻松多了。

So once you get healthy at the cellular level, now you're gonna go into lifestyle celebration phase, but it's way easier.

现在你可以适量 reintroduce 甜食了，因为在细胞重塑阶段，我们要求避免糖和精制面粉。

So now you can add back in your sweets in moderation, because we teach don't eat sugar or white flour while you're transforming at the cellular level.

等你真正健康了，这些可以重新加回来，但一定要控制量。

Once you get healthy, you can add those back in, but only in moderation.

这真的很神奇，因为一旦你重新调节了下丘脑和新陈代谢，身体就会像十七岁时那样焕然一新。

But it is amazing, because once you reset that hypothalamus and you reset that metabolism, it's reset like back when you were 17 years old.

哪个17岁的孩子会早上醒来第一件事就是想今天该吃什么饮食？

So what 17 year old ever woke up and said, What's my diet today?

对吧。

Right.

你17岁的时候根本不用操心这些，对吧。

You You don't really have to think about it, right, when you're 17 years old.

就是，你根本不在乎，只管好好过日子。

It's like, no, you're just like, Hey, I'm just living life.

饿了就吃。

I eat when I'm hungry.

不饿就不吃。

I'm not hungry.

这样就挺好。

I'm good to go.

所以好消息是，你真的可以好好享受生活了。

So the great news is, no, you really get to enjoy your life.

不过我想科学地分享一件事，去年我证实了这是真的。

And here is something I do want to share scientifically though, that I proved this last year is true.

《申命记》里有一段经文，出自《圣经》，说：‘你年岁如何，力量也如何。’

There's a scripture in Deuteronomy, this is in the Bible, and it says, As your years are, so shall your strength be.

什么？

What?

这怎么可能？经文到底怎么说的？

Like that's in the No, what does that say?

等一下。

Wait a minute.

我越老，反而会越有力量。

The older I get, I'm going to get stronger.

对。

Right.

《圣经》就是这么说的。

That's what the Bible says.

所以

So

我读到圣经里这句话的时候，心想：这也太理想了吧，但那时候我才37岁。

when I read that in the Bible, thought, Well, kind of looks too good to be true, but I was 37 at the time.

那是二十九年前的事了，我现在65岁。

That was twenty nine years ago, I'm 65 now.

那时候我能卧推200磅，你知道吧，能推到200我已经很高兴了，至少是200。

So I could bench press about 200 pounds, you know, which I was happy I could do 200, you know, at least it's 200.

我知道这不算什么，但我真的很满足。

And I know it's not a lot, but I was happy.

我不是举重运动员，我是个注重健康的人。

I'm not a weightlifter, I'm a health guy.

所以每年我都试着每个月多推一磅，也就是一年多12磅。

So every year I would just I try to go up about a pound a month, which is only 12 pounds a year.

对。

Yeah.

听起来好像不多，对吧？

Which doesn't sound like very much, right?

确实不多，就相当于几个四分之一磅的汉堡。

And it's really not very much, it's a few quarter pounders.

但二十多年下来，加起来就不少了。

But over twenty nine years, it adds up.

有一天我从健身房回家，就跟老婆说：健身房的人说我快破世界纪录了。

So I came home from the gym one day, and I was like, Honey, guys at the gym said, I'm like a world record.

她问：那你举了多少？

She said, Well, what were you lifted?

我说：五百二十五磅。

I said, five twenty five.

于是她开始上网查，查完回来跟我说。

So she starts Googling, and she comes back.

她说：老公，你觉得你能举到五百四十一磅吗？

She goes, Babe, you think you could do five forty one?

我说：亲爱的，我练力量可不是为了变多强。

I said, Honey, I don't even live for strength.

我说，我就是为了健康才练的。

I go, I just live for health.

我说，我要是认真练一练，应该也能做到。

I said, I could probably train and do it.

她说：宝贝，那可是世界纪录啊。

She goes, Honey, that is the world record.

我问：真的吗？

I go, Really?

她说：那你去试试吧。

She goes, You should go do that.

你猜怎么着？

So guess what?

我后来成了老年组卧推的世界纪录保持者。

I set the world record for chest press as a senior citizen.

天哪。

Wow.

我做了555磅，一共14次。

I did five fifty five pounds 14 times.

我以前根本不敢想，这辈子能做得到这个。

I couldn't dream of doing that ever in my whole life.

这根本不是我的目标，也没写在我的愿景板上，我可不是举重运动员，我只是坚持一个简单的原则：每天做对的下一件事。

Wasn't a goal, wasn't on my vision board, and I'm not a weightlifter, but I just exercise a simple principle of daily habits, do the next right thing.

我现在注重细胞健康，你知道的，我在加州，周围全是那些肌肉发达的举重爱好者，他们一个个跑来问我：你是怎么做到的？

I'm doing this cellular health, you know, and all these, I'm in California where you've got all these giant bodybuilders and weightlifting guys, they're all coming up to me like, How are you doing that?

我就说：细胞补水。

And I said, Cellular hydration.

他们说：快教教我，兄弟。

They're like, Sign me up, man.

不管那哥们儿在搞什么，我都想跟着做。

Whatever that dude's doing, I want to be doing that.

所以我希望鼓励大家。

So I want to encourage people.

我们其实能做得比任何人告诉我们的还要多得多。

No, we can do way more than what they ever told us, what you said.

完全正确。

Absolutely.

你说得太对了。

What you said is so right.

我们能实现的，远远超过自己曾经敢想的程度。

We can do way more than what we ever thought we could do.

我们可以保持旺盛的性活力。

We can keep a super healthy sex drive.

只要打好基础，我们就能拥有充沛的精力、活力和力量，去完成生活中想做的每一件事。

We can keep super healthy energy, vitality, strength to do everything we want to do in life if we just build the house.

没错。

Right.

我见得太多了，懂的也太多了，根本不可能去听那些骗人的说法。

I have seen way too much, and I know way too much to ever listen to that nonsense that they try to tell you.

我见识和理解都太深了，经历也够多了，这种话我根本不会接受。

I'm way, way too too knowledgeable and understanding for that and too experienced, and I don't like to accept that type of thing.

因为我始终相信，不管有多糟，上帝总会留下解决的办法。

Because I am always going to be under the belief that no matter what bad there is, God put something here to fix it.

因为早在事情发生之前，他就已经全都知道了。

Because he knew ahead of time everything was gonna happen already.

没错。

Yes.

确实如此。

Yes.

所以这些发生过的事情，其实早就在他的预料之中。

So there all of these things that have come about and transpired, this was already known.

因此，肯定存在一种方式能解决这些问题，但邪恶总想阻挠我们，让问题一直存在。

So there's obviously a scenario in which we can fix this and evil will always try to pull that away and let it stay.

所以呢，这些对话特别重要，大家得明白，你说话的时候并不傲慢。

So, you know, that's why these conversations are so important and for people to know because when you talk, you you you're not arrogant.

你也不是在掺和什么。

You're not in it.

你就是直来直去，很有底气，实事求是，就是这样。

You're just very, very straight to the point and confident, like, matter of fact, like, yeah.

对我来说，那就没问题了。

And so for me, it's like, okay.

我没什么理由不去相信它。

Well, I I have no reason to not believe it.

在任何人上节目之前，我都会把背景查个底朝天，所以我不会请来什么不靠谱的人，说些胡言乱语。

And I, you know, I look into everything before anybody comes on here, so I don't think I'm bringing in some nut job that's gonna go crazy and say some shit that that makes no sense.

我从来没看过你留下的任何评论，或者任何能让人觉得你疯了、不靠谱、或者瞎编乱造的东西。

But, I mean, I've never seen anything or any comment left of you or anything of any kind that would make it sound like you're nuts or don't you know, or you're just making things up.

我都没见过，我什么都查。

I haven't seen it, and I look into everything.

我特别欣赏这份自信。

I love the confidence.

我特别喜欢这些信息。

I love the information.

我还想提一点，因为我一直从事健美训练，接触过很多使用类固醇的人。

And I and one thing I do wanna point out because I come from training bodybuilders forever, all the steroid users, everything.

当你谈到一年增重两到三磅纯肌肉，而且还能保持住，这真的非常了不起。

And when you talk about putting on the size that you're talking about, you know, adding two to three pounds of lean muscle in a year and actually keeping it is pretty damn significant.

没错。

Yes.

你给出的数据量很大，对这个年龄段的人来说，本不该能做到这些。

You're and you're given numbers that are really big and for people that shouldn't be able to do it at their age.

我猜这些人当初也减掉了很多脂肪，比如你提到的减了四十磅脂肪之类的。

And I'm I'm assuming some of these people had a lot of fat to lose too when you're talking about the fat that they lost, I mean, 40 pounds of fat and everything.

那我好奇的是，那些来找你时本身就已经很健康的人呢？

But my curious question then would be, what about people that come to you that are in pretty damn good shape?

那他们还在继续长肌肉吗？

And then are they still gaining that kind of size?

是不是因为减脂的时候长肌肉更容易，所以体重变化看起来没那么夸张？

Is it because, you know, it's it's easier to gain the muscle while the fat's dropping so the the combination of weight isn't so crazy.

太棒了。

Great.

是的。

Yeah.

我太喜欢你了，兄弟。

I love you, man.

太厉害了。

Very sick.

我喜欢你提的问题。

I love your questions.

我接触过一些职业运动员。

So I have pro athletes.

我手底下有职业橄榄球运动员。

So I got pro football players.

还有NBA、MLB、NFL的，你猜为什么？

I got NBA, MLB, NFL, and guess why?

你觉得这些人为啥对这套科学这么感兴趣？

Why do you think those guys are interested in this science?

他们吃的营养搭配简直完美。

They're eating the perfect nutrition.

他们都有私人训练师。

They got trainers.

连他们的训练师都有专门的教练。

Their trainers have trainers.

你明白我的意思吧？

You know what I mean?

这些人的团队里有十多位顶尖专家，年薪上百万，专门给他们提供最前沿的科学建议，可他们还是来找我，说：嘿，我们就想跟你这么做。

These guys have 10 of the top experts making millions of dollars to tell them all this perfect science, and they still seek me out and say, Hey, we want to do what you're doing.

就连这些顶尖运动员，你知道我怎么向我的职业选手保证的吗？

Because even those elite athletes, guess what I guarantee my pro guys?

88天内力量提升50%。

50% strength increase in eighty eight days.

88天提升50%，这数字太惊人了。

50% in eighty eight That's huge.

对任何人来说都毫无疑问，但对已经处于这个水平的职业运动员来说，这简直是飞跃。

Without doubt, For anyone, but for a pro athlete that's already at this level, no, it's massive.

没错。

Yeah.

他们看着我，简直像在说：你疯了吗？

They just look at me like, Are you out of your mind?

你知道我有多强吗？

Do you know how strong I am?

我就跟他们说：我不关心你有多强，你只管照着做就行。

I'm like, I don't care how strong I I say, Listen, you just do this.

你知道你的肌肉是靠什么组成的吗？

Say, You know what your muscles are made out of?

水。

Water.

百分之七十五。

75%.

你猜我在做什么？

Guess what I'm doing?

兄弟，我往你细胞里灌的水，比你这辈子见过的都多。

Hey brother, I'm pumping more water in there than you ever had in your cells and your life.

你猜怎么着？

And guess what?

那些线粒体，我习惯把事情说得简单点。

Those mitochondria, they're just not I like to break things down simple for people.

每个人都知道线粒体是能量的来源，对吧？

So those mitochondria, everyone knows their energy source, right?

是的

Yeah.

我跟人说，它们就像小小的热核反应堆一样。

So they're like little thermonuclear power plants, I tell people.

它们同时也是信息中心。

But they're also information centers.

它们还在向外传递信息。

They're also information They're pushing out information.

它们在告诉身体：别再燃烧了。

They're telling that body, hey, you're not on fire anymore.

你已经没有炎症了。

You don't have inflammation.

所以我们没必要再从这些细胞里抽水了。

So now we don't need to keep taking water out of these cells.

别再这样做了。

Let's stop that.

火已经灭了。

Fire's over.

现在该补水了。

Now let's hydrate.

该补充能量了。

Let's energize.

接下来我们要把更多能量注入力量和肌肉中。

Now we're going to push more power and energy into our strength, into our muscles.

细胞内充分补水的话，抽筋根本很难发生。

And oh, by the way, it's really hard to get a cramp when you have intracellular hydration.

真的很难抽筋。

It's really hard to get one.

对那些年薪五千万的职业运动员来说，要是因为抽筋被迫下场，那可就糟了。

And to a pro athlete who's making 50,000,000 a year, and he's got to go out because he's got a cramp, that's not a good thing.

所以答案很明确：对他们来说，最重要的是力量、耐力，还有不抽筋。

So the answer is, yeah, those guys, the biggest thing for them is their strength, their endurance, and their non cramping.

是的。

Yeah.

你知道，大多数人也都想占点优势。

You know, and most of them, everybody wants an edge.

当然了，谁不想呢？

Of course, who wouldn't?

但很多所谓的优势，其实都可能对你有害。

But a lot of the edges are purported as something's gonna be harmful to you.

会伤害你的身体。

That's gonna hurt you.

这正是我退出那种教练方式的原因——我总在说服自己：‘我教的是安全的方法’，我确实这么做了，也努力劝人别那么干，但只要你还在当教练，就还是在间接推动他们这么做。所以我干脆彻底退出了，我不想沾边。

And that's a lot of the reason why I got out of that type of coaching because I always convince myself, well, you're teaching people to do it safe, which I was, and trying to get people to not do it, but you're still contributing by coaching them at all, which is why I got completely away from it because I don't want any part of it.

我想站在你这边，说：好吧。

I wanna be on the side that you're on where we're saying, okay.

我们可以在不使用兴奋剂的情况下，提升你的表现。

We can enhance your performance without taking a performance enhancing drug.

我们可以用健康的方式来做这件事。

We can do it in a a healthy way and manner.

但这种选择几乎没有，甚至根本没有。

There's just not a lot of option for that, if any.

很高兴你提到这一点。

Well, and I'm glad you brought this up.

如果我们能帮上忙的话，我觉得确实可以帮到一些人。

So if we can, because I think we could help some people here.

真的可以。

Yes, really.

那些正在服用这类药物的人，其实不管服什么，都包括在内。

That are taking that stuff, or taking anything, by the way.

我就像健康与养生界的罗伊·罗杰斯。

So I'm like Roy Rogers of health and wellness.

我从没遇到过我不喜欢的人。

I never met someone I didn't like.

如果他们真的在帮助人们改善健康和福祉，我完全支持，对吧？

If they're helping people in health and wellness, I'm all about it, right?

当然。

Sure.

但我同样欣赏那些做错方法的人，我更想帮他们改掉错误的做法。

But I also love the guys that are doing it the wrong way, and I want to help them not do it the wrong way.

没错。

Yeah.

就算他们非要走错路，我也想尽我所能去帮他们。

But if they are going to do it the wrong way, I still want to help them as much as I can.

所以我现在就处在这样一个环境里，住在加利福尼亚的橙县。

And so I'm kind of in that world where I am in Orange County, California.

对吧？

Right?

所以有时候我会被邀请去一些健身房。

And so some of these gyms I get invited to.

健身房里停着法拉利和兰博基尼。

There's Ferraris and Lamborghinis parked in the middle of the gym.

我见过。

I've seen them.

你明白我的意思吧？

You know what I'm saying?

这些都是私人高端健身房，不对外收会员。

And they're these private elite gyms and no membership.

完全是邀请制，诸如此类。

It's like invitation only, all that.

里面都是超级大网红，动不动就几千万上亿粉丝。

There's massive influencers are in there, guys with ten, twenty million followers.

所以呢，我总会遇到这类人，他们什么都在用。

So anyway, I end up meeting these kind of guys, and these guys are on everything.

什么都在用。

They're on everything.