My Thoughts on The Devil Wears Prada 2

大家好，欢迎来到《艾玛·冈斯秀》的又一期节目。

Hello, hi and welcome to another episode of the Emma Guns Show.

能和你们在一起真让人开心。

How delightful to be in your company.

你们最近怎么样？

How are you?

希望你们一切都好。

I do hope that you are very well.

我打算突然出现一下。

I thought I would jump on.

你们也知道，我之前说过会时不时回来。

As you know, I have said that I will come back from time to time.

我会不定期地出现。

I'll be here every now and again.

我会在你们最没想到的时候冒出来。

I'll crop up when you least expect it.

我猜你肯定没料到这一出。

And I suspect you probably weren't expecting this.

但我还是想上来聊聊《穿普拉达的恶魔2》。

But I thought I would come on and just talk about The Devil Wears Prada two.

主要是上周我去看了这部电影，心里就想：这事儿真该在播客里聊聊，干脆吧，也没人拦着我——我这儿钥匙还在，场地能进，设备也没人收走，录就完了。

Partly because I went to go and see it last week and I have to admit I did think oh this is something I would have liked to have talked about on the podcast' so I thought well actually nothing is stopping me I mean I've still got the keys to the building I can still get in I can still record no one's taken my equipment away.

所以我就决定这么干了。

So I thought that I would do that.

另外，我也想趁这个机会告诉你，如果你在Instagram上关注我，应该看到了，我成了Superdrug的美妆专栏作家——不是什么经济学家啊，是美妆专栏作家。

And then I also wanted to use this as an opportunity to tell you, if you're following me on Instagram, you'll see that I announced that I became the, a Superdrug, not a Superdrug economist, I became the beauty columnist for Superdrug.

每个月我都会发一篇专栏，名字叫《Superdrug美妆编辑Emma Guns的内部秘籍》。

And so every month I will publish a column, Insider Secrets from Superdrug's beauty editor Emma Guns.

这其实也算是我和Superdrug合作的一部分吧。

And so this is also part of that sort of partnership, if you like.

我负责每月写专栏、做社交媒体内容，而我之所以这么想和Superdrug合作，是因为他们的美妆产品线实在太丰富了。

So I write the monthly column, I do some social media, and really one of the reasons why I was so keen to work with Superdrug is because they have a massive beauty offering.

如果你不在英国，我简单说一下，Superdrug几乎遍布全国每一条主要商业街。

If you are not in The UK, just to give you an idea, Superdrug is on pretty much every high street in the land.

我专栏的邮件订阅名单，大概是每两周日或者每月中旬发送一次，他们的客户数据库是全国第三大的。

The email list that my column goes out to, I think it's every second Sunday or like the middle Sunday of the month, They have the third largest customer database in the country.

他们的顾客非常活跃，也很有眼光，是真正懂美妆的消费者。

They have a really engaged, really smart, very savvy beauty shopper.

所以这个专栏就是专门为这群人写的。

And so this column is really to speak to them.

如果你还没订阅，那很可能你就是他们中的一员。

So they're probably you, if you aren't already signed up for it.

请一定要点开节目笔记里的链接，那里不仅能读到《April Amaze》的通讯，还能注册健康与美妆会员卡，注册后，每期我的专栏都会在发布当天自动发到你的邮箱，想想还挺棒的，对吧？

Please do go to the link that will be in the show notes because that's where you can not only read April Amaze newsletters but you can register for the Health and Beauty card and when you do that you will automatically get my column delivered to your inbox on the Sunday that it goes live, which is rather fabulous, I think.

不过咱们先不急着聊这个，我接下来想说的是五月和四月刊里推荐的那些产品。

So anyway, we'll talk about that in a minute because I wanted to talk about the products that were in the May and April edition, or April and May edition.

但首先，咱们先聊聊《穿普拉达的恶魔》。

But let's just talk about The Devil Wears Prada.

我得说实话，我当时真没多大兴趣去看这部电影。

Because I was very I have to be honest.

说真的，我对去看它没什么动力。

I was indifferent about going to see it in many ways.

但就在我去之前的那个周末，你知道的，如果你在这儿待得久一点就懂了，

And then over the weekend before I went and you know what I'm like if you've been here for a while.

我特别喜欢一个人在工作日去看电影。

I do love a weekday solo cinema trip.

我记得我朋友阿蒂·乔尔在2012年我自由职业时跟我说过：好好享受自由职业的自由，这意味着你可以在周二下午去看电影。

And I remember my lovely friend, Aty Joule, saying to me when I went freelance in 2012, enjoy the free and freelance, and that means going to the cinema on a Tuesday afternoon.

我一直坚持这么做。

And it's something I've really stuck to.

我本来就爱看电影，所以这再好不过了。

I love films, so it's great.

整个周末，我一打开社交媒体，就全是这部电影的片段。

So all over the weekend, every time I open social media, there was a clip from it.

每次我打开抖音，都能看到一段片段。

And every time I open TikTok, there was a clip.

我就想，唉，我真得去看看这部电影了，因为光是刷手机，我就好像已经看了二十分钟，现在想好好看一遍。

And I thought, well, I now really need to see this because I feel as though I've seen about twenty minutes of this film just through my phone, and I want to see it properly.

我去看的另一个原因，是因为我曾经做过杂志记者。

And the other reason I wanted to go and see it is because I have been a magazine journalist.

这本书刚出版的时候，我清楚记得自己正坐在一趟回程的火车上。

Like, that's when this book came out, I distinctly remember being on a train on the way back from Manchester.

那是从曼彻斯特拍完照回来的维珍列车，正值盛夏。

I was on a Virgin train coming back from a photoshoot, and it was the height of summer.

幸好那天我带了录音笔——那时候还没普及手机，是那种老式的录音设备，还带几盘磁带，甚至可能还是模拟式的，真真切切的。

And thank goodness that day I had packed my dictaphone, that was how long ago, it wasn't phones, was like a proper old school dictaphone, and a few cassettes, And I had I think it was even before the digital ones, genuine genuinely.

我当时做了一次采访。

And I had done an interview.

记不清采访对象是谁了，但记得自己坐在那趟维珍列车上。

I can't remember who the interview was with, but I remember being on this Virgin train.

然后它就停了。

And it just stopped.

开了大概一小时后，突然停了下来。

Like an hour down the track, it just stopped.

没人说明白列车为什么停了。

And there was no information about why the train had stopped.

我当时就想，这事儿能写成一本书。

And so I thought, I think I've got a book in here.

我带了《穿普拉达的恶魔》这本书，但还没翻开过。

And I had picked up this book, The Devil Wears Prada, but I hadn't opened it yet.

就在那列延误的维珍列车上，我从头到尾读完了它。

And I read it from start to finish on that delayed Virgin train.

那天热得要命，简直闷得透不过气。

Was a so it was a red hot day, really properly boiling hot day.

我想我们最后总算回到了休斯顿。

I think we ended up getting back to Houston.

我跟你说真的，凌晨一点钟。

I kid you not, at 01:00 in the morning.

突然出了个大故障，所有列车都彻底动不了了。

There was some horrible sort of failure that just meant no trains could move whatsoever.

那真是个噩梦。

It was a real nightmare.

但这样一来，我大概有了八个小时可以读完这本书。

But it meant that I had, I think, about eight hours to read this book.

于是我从头到尾把它读完了。

And so I read it from start to finish.

当时车上所有人都很烦躁，结果那天列车员不知怎么的，决定把餐车上的饮料全部免费发放。

But then because everybody was quite disgruntled on the train, in the infinite wisdom that day, the train crew decided to just give away everything that was on the drinks trolleys for free.

原本只是烦躁，后来变成了醉醺醺的烦躁。

So disgruntled turned into drunken disgruntled.

我就坐在角落里，全神贯注地读着《穿普拉达的恶魔》。

And there I was just sitting in the corner reading The Devil Wears Prada, absolutely transfixed.

结果还真有个人被警察带下了火车。

And actually somebody did get taken off the train by the police.

警察肯定得过去一趟，不过这也不重要了。

The police actually had to go I'm pretty sure, anyway, beside the point.

我想说的是，当时我读这本书的时候，正是一名记者。

What I'm saying is is at the time, as I was reading this book, I was a journalist.

那天我去了曼彻斯特一整天。

I had been up to Manchester for the day.

我采访了一些明星，可能是《加冕街》或者《东区人》里的演员，反正就是那些肥皂剧里的。

I had interviewed celebrities probably from either Coronation Street or Emmerdale or one of their soap operas.

我正赶着回家。

And I was on my way home.

那时候我完全陷在那个圈子里，是《Okay》杂志的美容编辑，天天去采访明星，工作就是来回奔波，做些重要的事——采访名人，顺便整理时尚和美容版块。

So I was very much in the thick of this world where I was the beauty editor of Okay Magazine, was interviewing celebrities, my job was pinging back and forth, doing the important work of interviewing famous people and also compiling the fashion and beauty section.

所以这本书对我来说意义重大，但并不是因为书里写的那些事，跟我实际经历的安迪的故事有什么相似之处。

And so it meant quite a lot to me, it meant like this was my domain and it wasn't because the book was not representative of anything that I think I ever really experienced in terms of Andy's, sort of the side story.

但那种畅销杂志的环境，我确实非常熟悉。

But the environment of a best selling magazine was very much something that I knew.

虽然《Okay》是周刊，和《Runway》——明显是以《Vogue》为原型的——很不一样，而米兰达·普里斯特利明显是以艾玛·温特尔为原型，但我圈子里有不少业内人士。

And even though Okay was a weekly and it was very different from Runway, which was obviously meant to be Vogue, and Miranda Priestly was meant to be Emma Wintour, I had enough friends in the industry.

我认识《Vogue》那边的人。

I knew the guys at Vogue.

我也认识那些时尚杂志的编辑。

I knew the guys on the glosses.

所以我对那个圈子的运作方式多少有点了解，觉得确实有几分真实。

So I had enough of an insight into what that world looked like to kind of think, actually, yeah, there's some is some truth to all of this.

所以我看了很多遍这部电影。

So I found it to be I've watched that film many times.

我觉得挺温馨的。

I find it sweet.

就是那种场景，你去上班，有人突然冲过来，把一堆电话或者手袋往你面前一放。

It the whole thing about you go into work and someone's like, here here's a banging on of some phone or you the handbags.

曾经有一段时间，这种事情确实经常发生。

There was a time when that absolutely was something that happened.

现在早就不这样了，我离开杂志行业的时候，这种事已经少多了。但那时候，我经常会收到雅诗兰黛旗下品牌如倩碧的新护肤品系列，随货还附赠一个穆伯里手袋；从露华浓收到的更是慷慨，他们总送克里斯蒂娜·布汀的鞋子。

It doesn't anymore, and it didn't by the time I left magazines, it was nowhere near as prevalent, but there were times where I would get the new skincare collection from an Estee Lauder brand like Clinique, for example, and with it would come a Mulberry handbag or would get from Revlon were always so generous, Revlon will give you a pair of Christina Boutin shoes.

在那些畅销杂志里工作，这种事其实挺常见的。

Like, it just that was pretty standard when you were operating in those best selling magazines.

我当时所在的杂志，是发行量最大的周刊。

And my magazine at the time was the best selling weekly.

所以我有幸负责一本几乎所有品牌都希望刊登广告的杂志的美妆版面。

So I was in a very fortunate position to be running the pages, beauty pages of a magazine that most brands wanted to be seen in anyway.

这就是我看待这一切的角度。

So that was the position, the lens through which I saw it.

所以我觉得，很多事确实是真的。

So I thought, yes, lot of this is true.

有些高层人士确实待人很刻薄。

There are some people at the top who treat you terribly.

你得够机灵。

You have to be scrappy.

你得像《穿普拉达的恶魔》里安迪那样动脑筋，当时米兰达·普里斯特利给她派了个不可能的任务——弄来两本《哈利·波特》新书的预印本。

You have to think like I always think about the Harry Potter story in The Devil Wears Prada, where Miranda Priestly gives Andy Sacks the impossible task of getting her two bound copies of a preview proof of the next installment of the Harry Potter books.

安迪最后办到了，靠的是她那套手段。

And Andy does it because she uses her wiles.

我是说，书里和电影里，她只找了一个不属于时尚圈的人帮忙，运气真是好到极了。

I mean, in the book, in the film, by talking to the only other person that we've met who isn't part of runway but you know so very lucky.

但你当时就得这样，得随机应变，得想办法绕开那些总踩着你脖子、不断给你出难题的人。

But you had to be like that, you had to be scrappy, had to think on your feet, you had to outwit these people who did seem to have their foot on your neck at all times and did seem to be constantly testing and trialing you.

那种压力确实一直悬在头上。

And you had this threat hanging over you, you did.

这确实是我当时的真实感受。

That was definitely the the experience that I felt.

你随时都可能被开掉，只要稍微没做好，完不成任务，立马走人。

You had this threat hanging over you at all times that if you underperformed, if you couldn't meet the task, you were out.

我最近在听一个播客，聊的是《穿普拉达的女王2》，还谈到了《Vogue》杂志，说如果你看看美国版《Vogue》的员工，很多人一待就是好多年，但也有很多人待不满一年就走了。

I And was listening to a podcast actually that was talking about The Devil Wears Prada 2 and talking about Vogue and saying, but actually, if you look at the staff at American Vogue and it's been there a really long time, most people are lifers or they don't last a year.

我觉得这种媒体环境确实就是这样。

I think that's very true of those sorts of media environments.

我敢说这不光是媒体行业，很多其他领域也差不多，环境特别独特，只适合某些类型的人，你得按特定的方式行事。

I'm sure it's not just media, I'm sure there are many different industries where that's true, the environment is very specific and it is suited to certain types of people, like you have to act in a certain way.

所以说到《穿普拉达的女王》，我一听就懂了。

So anyway, Devil Wears Prada, I thought yes.

我跟人聊起来，他们总会问：‘你懂那些免费赠品吧？’我说：‘当然懂，一点不假。’可也有人会说：‘对，确实如此。’

When I talk to people, they're like, do you know the freebies?' like, no, absolutely true.' Are there people who do 'Yeah, absolutely true.

有时候你只拿到一个模模糊糊的指示，就得自己去琢磨清楚。

Sometimes you just kind of get the most vague thing and you have to figure it out.

但回想起我刚入行做记者那会儿，我真的觉得那时候的人特别有办法。

But I do think when I think back about my early journalistic career, do think about the fact that people were really enterprising.

我想起那时候，还没什么社交媒体，完全不是现在这个样子。

I think about the fact I mean, this was the day before social media the days before social media.

所以如果你想找个人来采访，就得自己动脑筋想办法。

So if you wanted to track somebody down to get them for an interview, you had you had to be resourceful.

好了，我们接着说。

Anyway, we'll move on.

听说《穿普拉达的女王2》要上映的时候，我心里还嘀咕，他们到底打算怎么拍这个续集。

When they said The Devil Wears Prada was coming out, Devil Wears Prada two was coming out, I was a little bit sort of like, I wonder what they're going to do with this.

说实话，看了这部电影之后，我觉得确实如此——我特别喜欢梅丽尔·斯特里普的演技。

Because actually, and this I would say is true having watched the film, I really like Meryl Streep as an actress.

我简直能看她一整天都不腻。

I could watch her all the live long day.

再次看到她演米兰达·普里斯特利，简直太出色了。

Seeing her on the screen as Miranda Priestly again was really brilliant.

但我觉得，米兰达·普里斯特利这个形象已经深深烙在大家心里了，就是《穿普拉达的女王》里那个样子，根本没必要去改或者更新。

But there is something about Miranda Priestly existing in the consciousness, the ether, as the version that she was in The Devil Wears Prada is something that I don't think needed to be updated or changed.

我觉得没必要让米兰达这个角色变得温柔一点，或者去掉她的锋芒，说实话，我觉得没必要。

I don't think that we needed to see a softening of or de clawing of a character like Miranda in order I don't know.

我觉得我们根本没必要拍这个，我心里有一部分觉得，这事儿压根不用再呈现了。

I don't think we did there's a part of me that thinks we just didn't need to see it.

我们真的没必要再看一遍。

We just didn't need to see it.

如果非得拍不可，我宁愿是原作者劳伦亲自来写这本书、这个故事，或者写这部电影的剧本。

And I do think that if we did need to see it, I would have I would have rather the original author Lauren had written the book or written the story or written the screenplay for the film.

我知道这 probably 不太现实，我觉得他们之间可能已经闹僵了。

I know that that would probably be impossible because I think maybe Bridges have been burned.

我不知道你有没有看到宣传，但整个推广几乎都围着安娜·温图尔和《VOGUE》打转。

I don't know in terms of I don't know if you've seen the promotion, but so much of it has been with Anna Wintour and with Vogue.

这就像是那个曾经在那儿受过伤的人被彻底排除在外了，而她当年所对抗的那些人，反而掌控了这部作品、这个品牌、这个商标，不管怎么说，情况就是这样。

So it's kind of like this person who had a terrible experience there has now been cut out and the people that she was railing against are now kind of have kind of got the reins on the work or the brand or the the trademark or whatever it might be anyway.

所以，这大概就是我的感受。

So that was that was sort of how I felt.

看到米兰达被重新演绎，我有点难过，因为第一部里那个米兰达实在太经典了。

I felt a little bit sad to see Miranda in a different version because I think that the portrayal of Miranda in the first film is so iconic.

而且，它确实反映了那个时代的特点。

And actually, it was of its time.

我觉得，那种人不仅过去有，现在也依然存在于媒体圈里。

And I do think there are and were there were and definitely still are people like that definitely in the media.

我刚才是不是提到过艾特·朱尔了？真有意思。

And I was actually did I already mention Ate Jewel in this how funny.

前几天我见了艾特，我们聊到这部电影即将上映的事。

I saw Ate the other day, and we were talking about the fact that this film was coming out.

聊到米兰达·普里斯特利的时候，我们也谈到了整个行业里普遍存在的恶劣行为。

And we were also talking about bad behavior in the industry, generally, when we were talking about Miranda Priestly.

我说，我刚入行当记者的时候，发现你越苛刻，别人反而对你越客气。

And I said that when I was a young journalist and I came into the world of journalism, what I observed was that the more demanding you were, the better treatment that you got.

艾特用她那特有的眼神看了我一眼，说：‘只要你能让别人赚钱，你尽可以当个泼妇。’

And Ase sort of looked at me in the way that Ase does and she was like, oh, you can be a bitch if you're making people rich.

那一刻，我真是彻底明白了。

And that was just the moment of, like, yeah.

这确实没错。

That's absolutely true.

这绝对是真的。

That is absolutely true.

这正是米兰达这个角色的用意，也是那个时代的真实写照。

And that's that's sort of the point of Miranda, and that's sort of the point of that whole moment in time.

我当时就想，确实如此。

And I just thought, yeah.

今天依然如此，但我认为过去有更多遮掩，现在这些遮掩少多了。

And it still is true today, but I think that there were lots more veils, many more veils covering it going on right now.

现在要少多了。

It's far less.

或者也许反而更明目张胆了。

Or maybe it's even more brazen.

我不清楚你怎么样，但我注意到了社交媒体上亚历克斯·库珀和亚历克斯·厄尔之间的争执。

Like, I don't know about you, but I found the Alex Cooper, Alex Earl beef on social media.

我当时就想，这不就是两个漂亮又富有的女孩，像以前学校里女生那样互相使绊子吗？

I was like, that's just two really attractive, wealthy girls being bitches like girls in school used to be to each other.

我们的职业素养去哪儿了？

Like, where is our professional conduct?

我们的职业素养到底去哪儿了？

Where is where is our professional conduct?

我说这种话的时候，自己都觉得老了，但看到社交媒体上那些鸡毛蒜皮、心胸狭窄的争斗，虽然算法最爱这种东西，我还是觉得我们该感到羞愧。

I feel we and I really feel old when I say things like that, but I think seeing scrappy, sort of petty, small minded rouse on social media, although the algorithm loves them, I'm like, we should be embarrassed.

我们该告诉孩子，虽然我没孩子，但理应告诉他们：你知道吗，这可不是该有的行为。

Like, we should say to our kids, not that I have kids, but we should be saying, you know that that's not how you behave.

你知道，那种在社交媒体上贬低别人来压过对方的做法，根本不是为人处世该有的样子，尤其是当你已经被很多人捧上神坛的时候。

You know that that's you know that that's not how you one up somebody, like, sort of belittling them on social media is is not the way to conduct yourself, especially not when a lot of people have put you off on a pedestal.

所以没错，只要你能让人赚钱，当个刻薄的人也没关系——这一点今天依然成立。

So, yes, if you you can be a bitch as long as you're making people rich, still stands true today.

我对这部电影里的安迪·萨克斯没什么好感。

I did not care for Andy Saxe in this film.

不过话说回来，她二十年后重回那个环境，态度还是那么卑微、讨好，甚至有点可怜，满心想着让米兰达开心，努力讨好她——安迪，你这成长去哪儿了？

I but with that said, because she's very she just goes back into the environment twenty years later and is deferential and a little bit fawning and a little bit pathetic, and is so emotionally invested in making sure Miranda's okay and trying to please Miranda and like, where's the growth, Andy?

你的成长去哪儿了？

Where is the growth?

你明明是个才华横溢的记者，做过那么多了不起的事，电影开头还拿了奖，结果却彻底倒退回了从前的样子。

You're supposed to be this brilliant journalist who's done incredible things and at the beginning of the film she wins an award, and yet you just completely regressed to who you were before.

话说回来，我确实也经历过那种编辑环境，心里总想着：只要我能哄得他高兴，他或许就会对我宽容一点。

With that said, I have definitely been in environments with editors where you just think if I can just please you, this will be the time when you'll actually cut me some slack.

那时候我没骂人，不过算了。

Didn't swear then, but anyway.

还有部电影，是我特别喜欢的一部，叫《你的数字是多少？》，主演是阿娜·法瑞丝和克里斯·埃文斯。

Then there was a very there's a film one of my favorite films is with Arna Farris and Chris Evans, it's called What's Your Number?

我敢发誓，六年前我有一段严重失眠的时期，几乎每天凌晨两点都看这部片子。

And I must have seen that film, I swear to you, when I went through a period of Insomnia about six years ago, I think I watched it most nights at about 2AM.

哪怕闭着眼睛，我也只是听着它入眠。

Even if I had my eyes closed and I was listening to it.

我看了又听，看了无数遍这部片子，现在都能看出哪里剪辑出问题了。

And I have watchedlistened to that film so many times that I'm now aware of where the editing went wrong.

我觉得这部电影本身很棒，但剪辑把它给毁了，现在我一看就觉得，哎，他们肯定删掉了一些关键片段。

I think that film is brilliant, but I think that the edit made a really good film quite bad because there are so many things now when I'm like, oh, they've obviously cut something that meant that.

那些被删掉的内容本来能解释清楚为什么会出现这种情况。

They've obviously taken something out that would have explained why that happened.

现在我看了快一百遍了，算上这八年来断断续续地看，情况就更清楚了。

But okay, now now on my hundredth viewing and like, I don't know, eight years of watching it.

我终于明白原本该是什么样子了，说出来还真有点难过。

Now I know what was supposed to happen, which is very sad for me to say.

不过话说回来，《穿普拉达的女王》第二部也是一样。

But anyway but I think the same is true for The Devil Wears Prada two.

我觉得它的剪辑撑不起这部片子。

I don't think it stands up to the edit.

尤其是安迪的感情线，删改得太多了，很多决定都让人遗憾。

There were so many decisions and cuts that have been made, particularly with Andy's love interest.

而且她一开场就被裁员了，紧接着就在电影前三分之一的时间里搬进了一套特别大的公寓，这完全说不通。

Also, she gets made redundant at the beginning of the film and moves into a new, very big apartment sort of within the first third, I think, which just doesn't make any sense.

如果一个人刚失去经济保障，接着又去一家杂志社工作，你根本不清楚她的合同情况，她之前其实待过那儿，但没撑多久，你不可能在这种情况下给她这么大的经济承诺。还有那个爱情线，也完全讲不通。

If somebody is no longer financially secure and then goes to a magazine, you don't know anything about her contract, she's already been there before, she didn't last very like, you just you wouldn't make that financial commitment, and the love interest just doesn't make any sense.

我们总共就看到她那个恋人出现三次，真是让人一头雾水。

I think we see her love interest three times, and it's like, What?

不过第一部里的爱情线也没好到哪儿去。

But the love interest in the first film wasn't amazing either.

但有一件事我得说，我也不想逐个情节分析，能再看到梅丽尔·斯特里普、安妮·海瑟薇、斯坦利·图奇和艾米·汉莫，真的太棒了，他们每个人在银幕上都太有魅力了。

But then one of the things, and I don't want go into a plot by plot, I mean, it was really lovely to see Meryl Streep and Anne Hathaway and Stanley Tucci and Emmy Bluntback, I mean they're all absolute dynamite on screen.

不过我先不剧透太多角色细节，怕你还没看过这部电影。

But, I don't want to say too much about some of the characters in case it gives it away and you haven't seen it yet.

但有一件事真的让我很不舒服，而且我觉得这话题已经被说得够多了——那就是秀场眼看要垮了。

But one thing that was that did really bug me, and I think this has been spoken about enough, is that essentially there is this runway's in danger.

电影里拯救秀场的方案只有两个，而这两个办法都得靠一个亿万富翁来救场。

And there are only two options for survival in the film and both of them rely on a billionaire to save it.

这本身就是一个很弱的叙事。

And that in itself is really weak storytelling.

其次，一个亿万富翁怎么会投资印刷媒体呢？印刷媒体现在根本就是在衰落，我每天都在接触印刷和数字媒体，这行早就没戏了。

But secondarily, the idea that a billionaire would invest in print media when print media is, and I'm in it every day with print and with digital, but it absolutely dying.

这根本就是个糟糕的投资。

Nobody it's a bad investment.

如果一个人已经赚了几十亿，他肯定够聪明，知道媒体行业已经不是风口了，除非是纯粹为了炫耀，我觉得他们其实暗示的就是这个。

So if somebody has made billions, they are going to be smart enough to know that media is not where it's at unless it's a vanity project, which I think is what they were alluding to.

但与此同时，角色们根本没往这层想。

But at the same time, that wasn't what they were thinking, the characters are thinking.

他们觉得，工作稳了，一切都回到正轨了。

They were thinking, great job security, great, everything's going back to normal.

可事实根本不是这样。

It's not.

所以对我来说，这整个就是个童话。

And so that for me was the fairy tale.

但我确实被吸引了，那些角色和场景让我感觉重回故地，特别舒服。

But I was what I was was entertained, and I was entertained with characters and with scenery that felt wonderful to be back in.

还有音乐、那段旋律，里面好多细节都让人忍不住说：哦，对，就是这个。

And I just the music, the refrain, there are were so many things in there that you just just go, oh, yeah.

这个我懂。

I know that.

哦，这个好眼熟。

Oh, that's familiar.

所以整部作品特别怀旧，我真的挺喜欢的。

So it was very nostalgic, and I did really enjoy it.

但我认为他们不可能再拍出同样的东西了。

But I think they couldn't have done the same thing.

米兰达也不可能还是原来那样。

Miranda couldn't have been the same.

很明显，她必须改变，也确实成长了。

Obviously, she had to change and evolve.

但我一个最好的朋友跟我说，他们其实没必要拍这部片子。

But my one of my best friends actually said to me, I just don't think they needed to make this.

我确实很矛盾，因为单独来看，尤其是米兰达·普里斯特利这个角色，当年真是经典。

And I'm I'm torn because, yes, in isolation as it stood, particularly Miranda Priestly was iconic.

但《穿普拉达的女王2》里的米兰达，是我真不觉得有必要再看到的版本。

And Miranda Priestly in The Devil Wears Prada two is a version of Miranda I don't think I needed to see.

但这并不意味着它不好看，也不意味着它不有趣，更不意味着因为我的年纪，我就比那些年轻十岁、十五岁、二十岁的人更难享受它。

But that doesn't mean it wasn't enjoyable, and it doesn't mean it wasn't fun, and it doesn't mean I actually think maybe my age means I won't enjoy it as much as somebody who's maybe ten, fifteen, twenty years younger than me.

我觉得对一些人来说，这部电影确实呼应了文化上那些‘觉醒’的变迁。

I think for people who because it does it references the woke changes that have happened in culture.

所以我猜，那些年轻时看过第一部、觉得‘天啊，这也太可怕了’、从来没见过那种职场环境的年轻人，

So I have a suspicion that maybe younger people who sort of saw it when they were very young and thought, oh my god, that's the worst, that's awful and who have never known working environments like that.

可能会觉得《穿普拉达的女王2》是个救赎故事、道德寓言，或者正义得偿的叙事。

They may feel as though The Devil Wears Prada 2 is a redemption story or a morality tale or a story of justice.

但以我现在的年纪和职业经历来看，我觉得吧，重温一下挺有意思的，但真没必要再拍一遍。

But for me watching it from my age with my perspective, my career in the industry, I kind of thought, yeah, it was fun to it was fun to dip back in, but I didn't need to.

不过话说回来。

But hey.

我很想知道你的看法。

But I'd be interested to know what you think.

我特别想知道你到底是怎么想的。

I'd be really interested to know what you think.

好了，咱们聊聊我在屈臣氏的数字专栏吧。

Anyway, moving on to my digital column in Superdrug.

我想跟你们说说这个，因为我知道自从我暂停播客后，很多人都联系了我。

I just want to tell you about this because, obviously, I know that lots of you have been in touch since I paused the podcast.

我常想，大家现在都在哪儿呢？

And I like, well, where can I catch up with you?

当然，我还在 Substack 发一些长文。

Obviously, there's my sub stack where I'm doing those longer reads.

但我特别想跟你们提一下这个专栏，因为它的初衷就是为那些想精明消费、买真正有效护肤品的人——不管是女性还是男性——提供参考。

But I wanted to tell you about this column because essentially, it really is to speak to the women, well, men and women, who want to spend their money wisely on beauty products that really work.

就这么简单。

It's as simple as that.

如果你一直关注我在Instagram上的分享，或者听过我在这里聊过的美妆话题，你应该知道我一向都是这么想的。

I think if you've been following me on Instagram, if you've been listening to the conversations I have on here about beauty, you'll know that that's where I always come from.

我怎么才能做出最明智的选择，让每一分钱都花得值得、花得开心？

It's how can I make the wisest decisions for me and spend my money in a way that will make me feel good about what I've spent?

所以我的第一篇专栏，是四月份发的，我说了啊。

So in my first column, which is in April, I said, listen.

我不会推荐任何我自己不会买的东西。

I'm not going to recommend anything to you that I wouldn't by myself.

我会清清楚楚地告诉你，为什么我觉得你需要它，该怎么用才能发挥最大效果，所有细节都给你讲明白。

And I'm going to tell you exactly why I think you might need it, exactly how to make it work, all of those things.

我第一篇专栏讲的是，因为四月是春天，正好适合大扫除。

So my first column, which is still applicable now, was about how because it was April, it was like the spring clean.

我说的是，其实你只要在日常护肤中做一个小改变，就能看到明显的效果。

And I was talking about the fact that actually you can make one change to your daily beauty routine for your body, and you can see a real difference.

只需要把普通的保湿霜换成具有去角质功能的就行。

And that's by changing from just a simple moisturizer to a moisturiser that will exfoliate.

我们说的不是那种颗粒状的磨砂产品，而是化学去角质成分，也就是酸类。

And we're talking about chemical exfoliants, so not the gritty bits, but the acids.

也就是含有AHA和BHA的身体乳液。

So we're talking about the body lotions that contain AHAs and BHAs.

如果你有痘痘肌、毛孔堵塞或者容易长痘，BHA就特别有效。

BHAs are brilliant if you've got acneic skin or you get congested skin or breakouts.

比如你皮肤干燥、暗沉、容易堵，像水杨酸这类BHA，还有PHA，效果都特别好。

So things like if you've got dry dull congested skin like salicylic acid will be absolutely brilliant like those BHAs, PHAs fantastic.

如果你只是想摆脱那种灰暗无光的状态，就选甘醇酸或者那些水果糖、蔗糖、乳酸类成分，它们能温和地去除老废角质。

If you just want to get rid of that grey dullness go into the glycolics or the 's, those fruit sugars, those sugar canes and the milks that gently exfoliate and remove dead layers.

所以当时我们主要讲的就是身体护理这部分。

So that was sort of where we were focused, the main body of it.

不过我还在通讯里每个月都会推荐一款值得犒赏自己的产品。

But then I was also talking about these treat basically every month in the newsletter, it's like, this is the thing I'm gonna treat myself to.

这就是我一直在囤货的东西，也是我常送朋友的礼物。

This is the thing I'm stocking the thing I'm stocking up on, and this is the thing I'm treating a friend to.

我第一个入手的是这款高浓度胶原蛋白精华，因为我们总在聊胶原蛋白的补充。

And then my first one, it was I was treating myself to this optimum collagen serum because we talk about collagen loads.

当时只是一个小资讯而已。

And it was just like a little news piece.

还有这些沐浴用的去角质手套，如果你关注我一段时间了，就知道我一直在说，洗澡时必须用去角质手套。

Then these exfoliating gloves for the shower, if you followed me for a while, I've talked about how I have to use exfoliating gloves in the shower.

不然的话，效果就全白搭了。

Otherwise, you know, all bets are off.

还有这种特别棒的足部保湿袜，穿上就能让脚部充分补水。

And then also these brilliant socks that you can put on that hydrate your feet.

不是那种会让脚皮脱落的类型。

They're not the ones that make your feet peel.

是能真正给脚部补水的那一种。

They're the ones that hydrate your feet.

我特别喜欢椰子味的。

And I love the coconut ones.

简直太棒了。

They are absolutely brilliant.

另外我之前提到过，K美容品牌出现在了主邮件里，因为有些产品真的特别出色。其实我直到去年才完全明白，Superdrug在他们的网站上有个电商平台。

But then the other thing I spoke about was K beauty that turned up in the main newsletter because there were some absolutely brilliant and actually I hadn't fully understand this until maybe last year that Superdrug have a marketplace on their website.

虽然他们每条大街上都有门店，但线上还开了个平台，让小品牌可以直接上架产品，货品直接从品牌方发货，而不是通过Superdrug。

So as much as they've got a store in every high street, they also have this marketplace online, where smaller brands can essentially have their products and then the products come from the brand rather than Superdrug.

说到K美容，Superdrug在平台上孵化的一个品牌就是Beauty of Joseon，这可以说是近几年最成功的美妆新品之一。

So when it comes to K beauty, one of the brands that Superdrug actually sort of incubated on the marketplace was Beauty of Joseon, which is one of the biggest launches of, I don't know, the last few years.

这个品牌让很多人疯狂，真的被这些配方惊艳到不行。

And it is a brand that people are going absolutely nuts for, like genuinely are beside themselves with how good these formulas are.

所以在我的主邮件里，我只是想提醒大家关注一下，有两款产品简直绝了。

And so in my main newsletter, just to kind of give it a little bit of a put it on your radar, there were two products that are unbelievable.

有一款是Abib的PDRN胶原蛋白精华。

There's the Abib, I think, PDRN collagen.

就像一款睡眠凝胶面膜。

It's like a sleeping jelly mask.

简直不可思议。

Unbelievable.

还有SunBoon的深层胶原视黄醇产品。

And then the SunBoon edited deep collagen retinol.

它是一款凝胶霜，但里面含有小胶囊。

It's a gel cream, but it's got these capsules.

活性成分都封装在小球里，悬浮在凝胶中，你得留着那把小勺子。

So the actual actives are in little balls sort of suspended in the gel, and then you keep the spoon.

我一般都会扔掉所有美容产品附带的小勺子，但这个得留着——用勺子挖一点凝胶，再配一颗小胶囊，然后在手背上来回揉开，或者直接抹在脸上，这就是它的释放方式。

I always get rid of the spoon with any beauty product that comes with this spoon, but you keep the spoon and you spoon out a little bit of the gel and also one of the little capsules, and then you can explode it on the back of your hand or you can put it on your face, but basically, that's the delivery system.

效果特别好，真的很特别。

And they are so nice and so special.

说白了，你完全可以到处淘货。

And basically, you could shop far and wide.

你完全可以到处搜寻韩国美妆产品。

You could look high and low for K beauty.

但其实Superdrug Marketplace简直就是韩国美妆的宝藏地，绝对的宝藏。

But actually, Superdrug Marketplace is a gold mine, an absolute gold mine of Kay beauty products.

所以我特别想提醒你一下，除了聊聊《穿普拉达的恶魔》第二季，也让你知道这个信息。

So I wanted to let you know about that in addition to talk to you about The Devil Wears Prada two and just put it on your radar.

所以在这期播客的节目笔记里，我会附上我五月的通讯、四月和五月专栏的链接。

So basically, in the show notes for this podcast, I'm going to put the link to my May newsletter and my April column and my May column.

点进去之后，你会发现我推荐的产品远不止刚才说的这些，但我不能一次性全抖出来。

And when you go into those and there's way more product recommendations than I've just told you about here, but I don't wanna give the game away in one go.

不过当你打开那页面时，会看到提示说‘注册健康美妆会员卡’，还写着‘立即注册’。

But if you when you go to that page, you'll see that it says register for the health and beauty card, and it says register now.

只要你点进去填一下信息，就能拿到一张会员卡。

If you click that and put in your details, you'll get a card.

我已经办了一张，因为我常攒积分，攒够了就用来抵扣购物。

I've got one because I collect points and I get free or I use the points to redeem against purchases when I build them up.

因为我每四周去一次做Clairol根部遮盖，积分攒得可多了。

Because boy, do I build them up with my going in every four weeks to get my Clairol Root Touch up.

这样你就会自动收到邮件通讯和专栏文章，一发布就直接到你的邮箱。

But you will then automatically get the newsletter, get the column into your inbox when it goes live.

你不用每次都去网站找，当然也可以继续访问网站，或者在Instagram上分享链接。

So you won't have to keep going to the website, can keep going to the website or keep sharing the link on my Instagram.

但如果你只想让它自动送到你手里，那就这么办最省事。

But if you just want it to automatically come to you, that's the way.

总之，我想听听你对《穿普拉达的恶魔》有什么看法。

So anyway, I would like to know what do you think of The Devil Wears Prada.

这期节目上线后，我会把它发布在Substack上。

So when this episode goes live, I will put it on Substack.

你可以在Substack的评论区告诉我你的想法。

You can let me know on the Substack comments.

我也会发到Instagram上，你也可以在那里给我留言。

I will also put it on Instagram, you can also get back to me on there.

可以在Emma Guns和Substack上找到我。

Usual places at Emma Guns, Substack.

所有链接都会放在节目笔记里。

All the links will be in the show notes.

我知道已经过去几周了，但希望你一切都好。

I know it's been a few weeks, but I hope that you're very well.

希望你已经看过《穿普拉达的恶魔2》，也有些想法，我真的很想听听你的看法。

I hope that you have seen The Devil Wears Prada 2 and have thoughts because I would love to know what you think.

我也特别想知道你对这个Superdrug美妆专栏的看法，因为我为它感到骄傲。

And I would also be really keen to know what you think of this Superdrug Beauty column because I'm really proud of it.

我对自己能分享这些产品感到非常满意，也很开心。

I think I'm really pleased And I'm really delighted to be able to share those products.

我的意思是，整体来说都是不错的产品，尤其是Marketplace对这些小品牌的支持，它们的配方真的特别出色。

I mean, basically products across the board, but specifically, I really love the way that Marketplace incubates these sort of smaller brands with absolutely incredible formulations.

所以我很想听听你对这些产品的看法。

So I'd love to know what you think about those.

所以去订阅通讯，然后进入市场逛一逛，你一定会大吃一惊。

So go to the newsletter and then when you you can go into the marketplace and have a proper nosy, and I think you'll be really, really impressed.

好了，暂时就这些。

Anyway, that's it for now.

非常感谢你的收听。

Thank you so much for listening.

无论你是在播客、Substack 还是 Instagram 上关注我，都衷心感谢你的订阅。

Thank you so much for subscribing wherever you're subscribed, whether it's on the podcast, the Substack, or follow me on Instagram.

你知道我有多感激。

You know how much I appreciate it.

不过，我很快就会再和你联系，咱们下期再见。

But, anyway, I will catch up with you very soon, and I will see you on the next one.