本尼·约翰逊

是的。

Yes.

你根本不关心一致性或逻辑，他们也完全不关心。

You you don't care about consistency or logic, and they simply don't.

然后，当然，你会看到这种混乱的叠加：拜登正在与那些你知道刺杀过他、并说‘你该走了’的人打仗。

And then, of course, you get this overlay of confusion with Biden at war with the people that, you know, assassinated him and said, it's time for you to leave.

所以，是那样吗？

So was it that?

谁知道那到底是什么？

Who knows what it was?

我前几天刚看过他的一个采访，两天前，是的。

I just saw an interview with him just the other day, two day yeah.

也许是昨天早上，他正在谈论特朗普，说我们——民主党人——尊重民主制度，所以才把他请到白宫，因为我们重视和平过渡，诸如此类的话，但他们根本不是这样。

Maybe it was yesterday morning where he was he was talking about Trump and and and saying that how we, you know, the democrats, we respect the institutions of democracy, and that's why I had him to the White House because we care about a peaceful transition and blah blah blah blah, and they don't.

我心想，这简直就像试图用铲子铲烟一样。

And I thought to myself, there's no you know, it's it's it's like it's like the proverbial trying to shovel smoke.

根本无法理解这一切。

There's just no you cannot make sense of it.

毫无逻辑可言，试图去理解反而显得愚蠢。

There's no sense to be made, and so even trying becomes foolish.

这就是为什么你不该把自己局限在一个框里。

I I I it's why you shouldn't put yourself in a box.

我也不想让这个话题变成一场关于希特勒的全程讨论，你知道的，显然不是。

And I didn't wanna make this an entire Hitler conversation, you know, obviously.

对吧？

Right?

明白吗？

Okay?

但你瞧，

But but you have Oh,

我明白。

I am.

你知道，你有这些你应该遵守的规则，那就是希特勒就是希特勒，其他人谁都不是。

You know, you you have these you have these rules that you should follow, which is that Hitler was Hitler and nobody else is.

是的。

Yeah.

你不应该把这些东西强加给你的政治对手，是的。

And you shouldn't ascribe these things to your political enemies Yeah.

因为你自己可能会被迫如此。

Because you might be forced.

在一个由正义之神真正主宰的公正世界里

And in a righteous world that is actually run by a righteous god

是的。

Yeah.

你最终一定会被谦卑。

You will eventually be humbled.

是的。

Yeah.

你会被迫，就像许多民主党人一样，站在真正的希特勒一边。

And you'll be forced, like many Democrats are, to side with literal Hitler.

明白吗？

Okay?

他们都这么说过了。

And they've all said it.

他们都这么说过了。

They've all said it.

现在伯尼·桑德斯站在了特朗普一边。

Now Bernie Sanders is on Trump to the side of Trump.

伊丽莎白·沃伦刚刚在债务上限问题上同意了特朗普的看法。

Elizabeth Warren just agreed with Trump on the debt ceiling.

不。

No.

伊丽莎白·沃伦说：我刚和唐纳德谈过。

Elizabeth Warren's like, I just had a conversation with Donald.

她把这发在了X上。

She posted it on x.

我和唐纳德·特朗普谈过，虽然我们有分歧，但我完全同意总统在这几点上的看法。

I had a conversation with Donald Trump, and while we disagree, I totally agree with the president on this and this and this.

伊丽莎白·沃伦已经去做了。

Elizabeth Warren just went and did it.

你会让自己出丑的。

You're gonna make a fool of yourself.

你已经让自己出丑了。

You're you're you've made a fool of yourself.

巴拉克·奥巴马得给他一个大大的拥抱，你知道的，一切都会好的。

Barack Obama is gonna have to give him a big old hug and, you know, everything.

你得要你得要

You're gonna have to you're gonna

他会出席就职典礼吗？

Is he gonna be at the inaugural?

他必须得去。

He's gotta be.

你这么认为吗？

Do you think so?

他必须得去。

He's gotta be.

你觉得巴拉克和米歇尔会参加就职典礼吗？

Do think Barack and Michelle will be at the inauguration?

我绝对不会那样做，我不喜欢民主党。

I just would never do I like, I don't like the Democrat party.

我认为巴拉克·奥巴马给国家造成了很多破坏。

I think that Barack Obama did a lot to wreck the country.

我永远不会把他比作希特勒。

I would never compare him to Hitler.

我就是不会。

I just wouldn't.

好吧？

Okay?

我只是把他比作斯大林，但你请说。

I just I compare him to Stalin, but go ahead.

是的。

Yeah.

你你但，最终，你终将意识到，这其实对所有人都是一种极大的谦卑，因为这种言辞确实如此。

You you but, like, eventually, you're gonna have like, eventually, I think that it's I think that very humbling for all because the rhetoric Okay.

所以很多人不喜欢奥巴马。

So a lot of people don't like Obama.

关于特朗普的言辞达到了新的高度。

The rhetoric on Trump was next level.

那些曾经煽动、将这种言辞推向极端的人，现在不得不像蒂姆·库克和马克·扎克伯格一样，去马阿拉歌庄园低头认错，还有杰夫·贝佐斯。

And all of these people that ratcheted that up and went so extreme with it are having to be like Tim Cook and Mark Zuckerberg and go to Mar A Lago and kiss the ring, Jeff Bezos.

这些人都得去那里，放低姿态，阿谀奉承。

All of these guys, they're having to go there and, like, humble themselves and, like, kiss ass.

而且看这个特别有趣。

And it's very it's very fun to watch.

太不可思议了。

It's incredible.

别把自己局限在那样的框框里。

And, like, don't put yourself in a box like that.

你知道的？

You know?

我的意思是，他们稍微更世故一些，而我觉得激进左派真的相信他是希特勒，而且普遍相信——我觉得他们是真心这么认为的。

Well, I mean, they're a little bit more just whorish, whereas I think the I think that the the the radical leftists genuinely believed he was Hitler and generally believe like, I think they genuinely believe that.

我只是觉得，就拜登而言，他太糊涂了，根本不知道自己相信什么。

I just think, you know, in the case of Biden, he's just too confused to to know what he believes.

晨间乔。

Morning Joe.

是的。

Yeah.

这正是我想要的例子。

That was the example I was looking for.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

例子。

Example.

哦。

Oh.

Morning Joe的观众，等一下。

Morning Joe's audience, a second.

是的。

Yeah.

你连续十八个月告诉我们这人是希特勒，然后你却去见了希特勒，还跟我们说他有多好？

You told us for eighteen straight months that this guy's Hitler, and then you just met with Hitler and told us how nice he was?

你疯了。

You're insane.

我们要走了。

We're leaving.

所有观众都离开了，因为你在证明自己是个骗子。

And all the audience leaves because then you're you're proving to be a fraud.

现实这东西挺有意思的。

Well, reality is a funny thing.

这就是我们正在应对的东西。

And that's what dealing with here.

这就是现实。

It's it's it's reality.

如果你违背现实，现实就会惩罚你。

And if you go against reality, it'll it'll get you.

所以这基本上是过去至少四年、甚至八年的叙事，谁知道呢。

And so this is basically but I mean, this is the narrative of the last whatever, you know, at least four years, more eight years or who know.

但换句话说，过去左派只是在经济和一些事情上犯了错。

But but in other words, that the left, they used to be just wrong on, oh, I don't know, the economy and a few things.

他们已经完全投身于疯狂和幻想之中。

They have gone all in for lunacy, for fantasy.

所以最终，这会反噬回来，你知道的。

And so now eventually it bites back, you know.

这有点像那句谚语，你知道的，搞社会主义，最终你会花光别人的钱。

It's kinda it's kinda like the proverbial, you know, you you with socialism, you eventually run out of other people's money.

最终，你会耗尽所有美好的东西。

Eventually, you run out of every good thing.

如果你按照这些模式运作，最终你会失去一切。

If if you operate on these models, you eventually you you you lose everything.

在我看来，他们已经到了那个地步，这就是为什么他们彻底崩溃了。

And and to me, they're at that point, and it's why they're in total meltdown mode.

我希望我们会看到一场政治巨变，这种变化是我们这一代人从未敢想象的。

And I and I hope we're gonna see a political sea we're seeing a political sea change like none of us really could have dreamt of in our lifetime.

这使得里根革命相比之下简直不值一提。

This makes the Reagan revolution look like nothing.

我真心觉得，我们现在已经到了这一步。

I I honestly think I honestly think that that's where we are.

太棒了。

So awesome.

我们先插播一段广告。

We're gonna go to a break.

我能再请你留一会儿，做一个简短的环节吗？

Can I keep you for another short segment?

好吗？

Are good?

好的。

Okay.

各位，我正在和本尼·约翰逊交谈。

Folks, I'm talking to Benny Johnson.

他是个年轻人。

He's a young guy.

他没打领带，但我们决定忽略这一点，因为我们现在很喜欢他。

He's not wearing a tie, but we're going to let it go because he's now we like him.

大家好。

Hey there, folks.

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朋友们，我现在在AmFest现场采访本尼·约翰逊。

Folks, I am at AmFest talking to Benny Johnson.

本尼，我们聊了很多话题。

Benny, we're talking about a lot of stuff.

还有别的吗？

What else?

我们接下来聊什么？

Where do we go?

哦，你们在广告前提到里根革命，说它多么令人振奋，我觉得这里有个区别。

Oh, you were talking about the Reagan revolution before the break and about how exciting it is, and here's difference, I think.

我想请你这位该领域的世界顶级专家来谈谈这个观点。

And I would love to just posit this to you as the one of the world's experts on this subject matter.

特朗普总统遇刺未遂，看着他躲过子弹，鲜血从脸上流下。

The assassination attempt of president Trump and watching president Trump miss a bullet and come up with the blood streaming down his face.

首先，这是一次前所未有的团结时刻，在我这一代人中从未有过，没错。

First off, every it's a it's a unifying it's a unifying moment that we've never had before in my generation Correct.

每个人都知道自己当时在哪里。

Where everyone knew where they were.

明白吗？

Okay?

当人们听到肯尼迪总统遇刺时，那一代人都知道自己当时在哪里，是的。

Everyone knew where they were when they heard JFK had been shot Yeah.

在那一代人中。

In that generation.

是的。

Yeah.

我们这一代人没有这种经历。

My generation doesn't have that.

所以每个人都知道自己当时在哪里，然后所有人都见证了这一奇迹。

And so everyone knows where they were, and then everyone witnessed this miracle.

明白吗？

Okay?

对。

Right.

这是人类历史上见证人数最多的上帝奇迹。

And this is the most witnessed miracle in human history of God.

是的。

Yeah.

这非常激进，彻底改变了我这一代人的观念。

And it's radical it's white pilled my entire generation.

现在正发生着一种精神上的动能，而里根革命时期并没有这种现象。

There's a spiritual kinetic energy that's happening right now that did not happen with the Reagan revolution.

对。

Right.

我认为，当时并没有什么奇迹是人们亲眼目睹并密切关注的。

There were no miracles, I think, that people, like, witnessed and were were observant of.

因为有了社交媒体和我们所处的世界，有多少人没看到特朗普被枪击？

Because of social media and because of the world we live in, billion how many people didn't see Trump get shot?

我可以争论说，可能有数十亿人目睹了特朗普

I can argue probably there's probably many billions I was in who watched Trump

被枪击。

get shot.

我当时就在希腊。

Was literally I was in Greece.

当时有人在看吗？

And were people watching it?

嗯，没有。

Of well, no.

但这就是关键。

But that's the thing.

就像你根本不需要，是的。

It's like you you don't need to Yeah.

因为电视的世界已经消失了。

Because the world of TV is gone.

就像你打开电脑，打开我的X动态，砰的一下。

It's like you turn on the compute I turn on my computer and on my X feed, boom.

就在那儿。

There it is.

我妻子说，我们正要睡着。

And my wife says she we're just about to fall asleep.

她说，哦，莱斯利刚给我发消息，说里根，我是说里根。

And she says, like, oh, Leslie just texted me Reagan get you know, I mean Reagan.

特朗普刚出了这事。

Trump just got chat about it.

什么？

Like, what?

什么？

What?

什么？

What?

所以我打开我的电脑。

So I go on my computer.

砰。

Boom.

就在那儿。

There it is.

我全程观看了。

I watched the whole thing.

是的。

Yep.

就像是

It's like

希腊人关心这件事吗？

Did people in Greece care about this?

他们知道这件事吗？

Did they know about it?

比如，希腊本地人？

Like, the native Greece?

第二天早上我去参加了一个福音派教会的礼拜。

I went to an evangelical church service the next morning.

现在这个希腊岛上根本没有任何福音派教会的礼拜了。

Now there's, like, zero evangelical church services on this island in Greece.

碰巧那天有一场。

There happened to be one.

而且那里基本上都是说英语的群体，是的。

And they seem to be, like, there it's mostly an English crowd Yeah.

这意味着他们是政治上自由派的基督徒。

Which means politically liberal kind of Christians.

好的。

K.

所以礼拜上没人提到这件事。

So no one mentioned it in the service.

我在礼拜中提到了这件事。

I mentioned it in the service.

是的。

Yes.

因为我心里想，这你知道，但我觉得有点奇怪。

Because I thought to myself, this is, you know but I don't it's kinda funny.

我其实不记得希腊人是怎么处理这件事的。

I don't remember actually how the Greeks how the Greeks dealt with it.

我觉得对很多人来说，这很难接受，因为显然，如果有人被枪击，你应该是要同情他们的。

I think I think for a lot of people, was tough to process because, obviously, if somebody gets shot, you know, you're supposed to have sympathy for them.

但他们说，但但但这是希特勒啊。

They're like, but but but it's Hitler.

你知道的？

You know?

所以我也说不准。

So I don't know.

所以，从美国人的角度来看，我的看法是，人们把这件事看作是一个奇迹。

So, you know, my take on it from an American perspective and I you know, it it is that people saw it as a miracle.

我曾经与一些非常有影响力的人

And I've spoken with very powerful

毫无疑问。

No doubt.

我曾与一些非常有影响力、声名显赫的世界知名无神论者和不可知论者交谈过，他们告诉我，在与特朗普总统的私人对话中，特朗普正在向他们传福音。

I've spoken with very powerful, very prestigious, world famous atheists and agnostics who have told me that in their personal conversations with president Trump, Trump is witnessing to them because of this.

他们从未与特朗普谈论过上帝。

They never spoke with Trump about God.

这些人都是亿万富翁和千万富翁。

These are billionaires and multimillionaires.

这些人是经常出现在全国电视上的知名人士，他们表示，特朗普正利用这次暗杀未遂事件，向他们深刻地见证自己的信仰。

These are world famous people who are regularly on national television, and they're saying that Trump is using this assassination attempt to radically witness to them about his faith in God.

这促使一些原本认为没有上帝的人开始相信一定有上帝，因为我们亲眼目睹了一个奇迹。

And it has moved moved people towards saying there is no God to there must be a God because we've personally watched a miracle.

听到你这么说真是太惊人了，因为我的确完全跟得上你的思路，但我一直说我们正处在复兴的初期，而且正在发生一场巨大的转变。

It's amazing to hear you say this because I I mean, I'm tracking with you completely, but I mean, I keep saying that we're in the midst of revival, the beginnings of revival that and and that there's a sea change.

这很难用言语表达，赞美主。

It's difficult Praise god.

很难说得清楚。

To put your finger on it.

你能看到它。

You can see it.

你能感受到它。

You can feel it.

有些事情正在发生。

Something's happening.

人们早已预言过这一点，我某种程度上也预感到这会发生，但现在它真的发生了。

And people have prophesied this, and I I've sort of known this was going to happen, but now it's actually happening.

特朗普所经历的这件事，就像是第一个例证。

And what happened with Trump is sort of like exhibit a.

是的。

Yes.

你怎么能看着这一切，却看不到神的手在其中呢？

Because how can you look at that and not see god's hand involved?

怎么讲？

How how?

我的意思是，这就像……为什么神会行神迹？我写过一本关于神迹的书。

I mean, it's just like and and and why does god I wrote a whole book on miracles.

神为什么行神迹？

Why does god do miracles?

只是为了我们的益处，而不是为了祂自己的益处。

Only for our benefit, not for his benefit.

比如，特朗普本可以活下来，当时没有流一滴血，但神允许这些事发生，为要显明一个道理：你本该死去，唐纳德·特朗普。

Like, he could've Trump could've survived, and there was no bloody ear and no it's just but god allows these things to happen to make a point, and the point is you should be dead, Donald Trump.

美国，你也本该灭亡了。

America, you should be dead and over.

我救了你，我想让你知道，我救你是出于我在历史中的目的。

I spared you, and I want you to know that I spared you for my purposes in history.

实际上，就在选举前一周，我和特朗普有过一次对话，我极其郑重地对他说话，就像对我的孩子一样，我说：听着。

I actually and I had a moment with Trump about a week before the election, and I said emphatically emphatically to him, like I'm talking to my my child, I said, listen.

你需要明白，我真的很爱这个人。

You need and I I love this man.

我极其敬重她。

I re revere her.

但我严肃地对他说，生怕他没听懂，我说：你必须知道，上帝保全你的生命是为了祂的旨意。

But I said to him sternly, in case he miss it, I said, you need to know that God preserved your life for his purposes.

这是一个绝对惊人的历史时刻。

This is an absolutely stunning historic moment.

我知道我不是唯一这么说的人，但我希望确保他听到了，他知道。

Now I know I'm not the only one who said that, but I wanted to make sure that he heard that he knows.

在我看来，他似乎理解了这一点。

And it seems to me that he understands this.

是的。

Yes.

这是具有变革性意义的。

And this is this is game changing.

如果他理解了这一点，我们就进入了一个新时代。

If he understands this, we're in a new world.

是的。

Yes.

上帝还没有结束对我的计划，这是他说的。

God's not done with me yet is what he says.

而且我认为他深深理解了这一点。

And he, like, I think he deeply understands it.

然后他回去了。

Then he goes back.

这就是为什么我们

That's why we

得到了

got the

马斯克的背书。

Elon endorsement.

想想那之后发生的一连串奇迹般的巧合。

Think cascade of the confluence of miracles that happened after that.

马斯克直到那时才支持特朗普。

Elon didn't endorse Trump until

之后。

after that.

对吧？

Right?

我没意识到这一点。

Didn't realize that.

我现在意识到我之前没意识到这一点。

I realize I didn't realize that.

然后一个月后发生了什么？

And then what happens a month later?

特朗普在同一个地点，位于巴特勒。

Trump's in Butler on the exact same site.

埃隆当然在舞台上做起了跳跃运动，众所周知。

Elon's doing jumping jacks on stage, of course, famously.

而他完成时，特朗普正站在他暗杀者的坟墓上，站在邪恶的坟墓上，这象征着

And he is done Trump is literally standing on the grave of his assassins, standing on the grave of evil, the symbolism of

这一切。

it all.

哇。

Wow.

他就站在那片田野上，他的支持者们一眼望不到边，我知道你看过那些照片，就像那场光明救赎运动的浩荡人群。

Standing right there in the field and his people, as far as the eye can see, I know you've seen the photos, like the mass of the movement of bright light of salvation there.

而基督，当然，行了这些伟大的奇迹。

And Christ, of course, did these incredible miracles.

当我到达天堂时，我会向上帝要他的YouTube频道，因为我想要看所有的视频。

And when I get to heaven, I'm gonna ask God for his YouTube channel because I wanna watch them all.

明白吗？

Alright?

但那时候我们还没有这样的技术。

But we just didn't have the technology back then.

这是人类历史上观看次数最多的奇迹，很多人读过基督的奇迹。

This is the most viewed miracle in human many people have read Christ's miracles.

这是被最多人亲眼目睹的奇迹。

This is the most physically viewed miracle.

这太有力量了。

It's powerful.

笔胜于剑。

Pen is mightier than the sword.

那么，一个词的价值，比起一张图片或一段动态影片又该如何衡量呢？

Well then, what is a word worth to an image or to a moving film?

所以，这非常特别。

And so, it is very special.

而且我认为在场的AmFest观众都明白这一点。

And and I think it's not lost on this crowd here at AmFest.

我必须说，最高的赞美就是希望我们的时间不要结束，因为和你聊天真的非常有趣。

I I have to say my highest compliment is to say that I wish we weren't out of time because it's really fun to talk to you.

本尼，我以前从来没请你上过节目。

I've never had you on the show before, Benny.

你现在住在哪里？

Now where do you live physically?

你的家在哪里？

Where's your home?

你住在坦帕。

You're in Tampa.

好的。

Okay.

是的。

Yep.

但能认识你真是太好了。

But it's just good to get to know you.

我真的不听播客。

I I I really don't listen to podcasts.

突然间我有点想听了，因为这也是一档播客，有人会听这个。

Suddenly, I'm tempted because I because this is also a podcast, so people listen to this.

但知道你在那里，能稍微了解你一下，并向我的听众介绍你，真的非常棒。

But it's it's just wonderful to know you're out there to get to know you a little bit and to introduce you to my audience.

本尼·约翰逊，愿上帝保佑你。

Benny Johnson, God bless you.

感谢你所做的一切，我们后会有期。

Thanks for what you do and to be continued.

对。

Yes.

未完待续。

To be continued.

阿门。

Amen.

上帝保佑你。

God bless you.

大家好。

Hey, folks.

欢迎回来。

Welcome back.

我警告过你们。

I warned you.

我跟你们说过，听完本尼·约翰逊之后，如果你们表现不好，我就得请约翰·兹米拉克来训斥你们。

I said to you, after Benny Johnson, if you're bad, I'm gonna have to bring John Zmirak on to chastise you.

我还说过，如果你们表现好，我就请约翰·兹米拉克来奖励你们。

And I also said if you're good, I'll bring John Zmirak on to reward you.

约翰·兹米雷克，欢迎。

John Zmirek, welcome.

谢谢，埃里克。

Thanks, Eric.

嗯，对于

Well, for

我让你无言以对了吗？

Did I leave you speechless?

我喜欢我说的话让你完全答不上来的时候。

I I I like it when I say something so You have no response to it.

好吧。

Okay.

听好了。

So listen.

我想谈谈

I wanna talk

新闻，就像《圣战奇兵》中梅林说的那样，对我来说，有些人视我为梦想，有些人则视我为噩梦。

news As Merlin as Merlin says in the movie Excalibur, I'm a dream to some, a nightmare to others.

精彩时刻。

Great moment.

我最喜欢的电影。

My favorite movie.

《圣战奇兵》。

Excalibur.

我十几岁的时候看了十三遍。

Saw it 13 times as a teenager.

让我大为震撼。

Blew me away.

约翰·梅利乌斯拍的，他写了《现代启示录》。

John Melius made it, who wrote Apocalypse Now.

这是一部非常适合青少年男孩的绝佳电影。

It's a great, great movie for teenage boys.

等一下。

Wait a minute.

等一下。

Wait a minute.

我喜欢我们一开场就跑题了这一点。

I like the fact that we're off track right out of the gate.

你提到了电影《圣剑传说》，那部电影是哪一年的？

You referenced the film Excalibur, which was what?

七十年代末？

The late seventies?

七十年代中期？

Mid seventy?

大概是1979年左右。

Like '79 or something.

谁？什么？

And who what?

因为我从不看这些东西。

Because I've never I don't watch this stuff.

谁主演的？

Who who was in it?

我觉得是克里斯托弗。

I think it was Christopher.

除了海伦·米伦，当时没有其他知名演员。

Nobody nobody who was famous at the time except for Helen Mirren.

海伦·米伦。

Helen Mirren

海伦·米伦，她演的是摩根娜·勒·费吗？

Helen Mirren, did she play Morgana LaFaye?

勒·费，她演得简直完美。

LaFaye, and she is perfect in that.

这是那一部吗？

Is this the one

有人提到用乌瑟的魔法吗？

where someone says use the charm Uther?

是的。

Yes.

是的。

Yes.

就是这个。

That is it.

是的。

Yes.

我就记得这些。

That's all I remember.

用乌瑟的魔法。

Use the charm Uther.

我记得当时在想，乌瑟？

And I remember thinking, Uther?

Uther是个什么样的名字？

What kind of a name is Uther?

但我以为是克里斯托弗。

But who's I thought it was Christopher.

他叫什么名字？

What's his name?

李。

Lee.

不是。

No.

克里斯托弗·李没出演这部影片。

Christopher Lee's not in it.

这部片子里唯一后来成名的人，是利亚姆·尼森的第一个真正角色。

The only person who would become famous who's in it, it's Liam Neeson's first real role.

别开玩笑了。

Get the heck out.

他饰演了一个小角色，我想是谢尔盖·王。

He plays a minor role as, I think, Sergei Wang.

我，好吧。

I I Okay.

艾米，这是一部很棒的电影。

Amy, it is a wonderful film.

画面非常美丽，但严重不合历史，你知道，如果亚瑟王真实存在过，他应该是在五世纪或六世纪左右。

The beautiful visuals, wildly anachronistic, you know, because King Arthur, if he existed, was in, like, the fifth of the sixth century.

他们穿着16世纪才出现的板甲，那是用来抵御子弹的。

They're wearing plate armor from the fifteen hundreds designed to keep out bullets.

配乐是瓦格纳的。

The music is Wagner.

这简直就是为青少年男孩量身定做的、极度夸张的完美电影。

It is just totally over the top perfect movie for a teenage boy.

而且它它

And it it

要是我是个十几岁的男孩就好了，这样我就能告诉他我推荐这部电影。

If only I were a teenage boy or a new one that I could tell him I could recommend it.

在某种程度上，我们所有人都从未真正停止过做那个十几岁的男孩，这既是好事也是坏事。

None of us really ever stops being a teenage boy on a certain level, and that's a good thing and a bad thing.

去看《圣战奇兵》吧。

So go see Excalibur.

去看《圣战奇兵》吧。

Go see Excalibur.

我在你的推荐里看到了《邦霍费尔》。

I saw Bonhoeffer in your recommendation.

你必须看我的推荐——《圣战奇兵》。

You have to see Excalibur on mine.

我拒绝。

I refuse.

我拒绝。

I refuse.

我看过你推荐的其他电影，我还会继续看，但我认为我没时间看《亚瑟王》。

I've seen other films that you've recommended, and I will continue to do that, but I don't think I have time for Excalibur.

好吧。

Okay.

等等。

Wait.

所以我们刚才在谈

So we were talking about

我们刚才在谈，我想聊聊

We were talking I want to talk

跟你聊聊今天的新闻。

to you about the news of the day.

昨天，皮埃尔·特鲁多辞职了。

So yesterday, Pierre Trudeau resigned.

你知道他为什么这么做吗？这预示着什么？

Do you have any concept of why he would do that and and what this might portend?

你知道吗，我本来以为他会自焚。

You know, I kinda thought he was gonna set himself on fire.

所以对我来说，这有点乏味，但仍然是个令人欣慰的举动。

So this was a little bit anticlimactic for me, but but a welcome move.

一个令人欣慰的举动。

A welcome move.

记住，这个人推行的开创性政策是对超重或抑郁人群进行大规模安乐死。

Remember, this is the man whose pioneering policy is mass euthanasia of people who are overweight or depressed.

这些甚至都不是晚期癌症患者。

These aren't even terminal cancer patients.

加拿大医疗系统认为治疗他们太贵了。

People, the Canadian healthcare system thinks it's too expensive to treat.

特鲁多政府就像在收容所里安乐死不想要的宠物一样在进行安乐死。

The Trudeau administration has been euthanizing like unwanted pets at a kill shelter.

此外，他们还把基督教传教士关了起来，只因他们朗读《旧约》经文。

Also, they've been locking up Christian preachers for quoting the Old Testament, for just reading aloud from it.

所以加拿大一直像是一个在英语国家测试法西斯主义的实验室，但情况并不顺利。

So Canada has been like a a laboratory test for fascism in an English speaking country, and it hasn't been going so well.

还记得他们镇压那些只是抗议新冠封锁的卡车司机吗？

Remember when they cracked down on the truckers who just were protesting the COVID lockdown?

他们对这些司机进行了残酷的镇压。

They cracked down on them savagely.

我们在加拿大看到的是，你可能会失去言论自由。

What we've seen in Canada is you can lose your freedom of speech.

你可能会失去宗教自由、集会自由。

You can lose your freedom of religion, your freedom to assemble.

你可能会被政府安乐死。

You can be euthanized by the government.

你仅仅因为传讲自己的宗教就可能被监禁。

You can be imprisoned for just preaching your own religion.

特鲁多的倒台，到目前为止，是唐纳德·特朗普留下的最重要的遗产。

And it is the the fall of Trudeau is so far the most important legacy Donald Trump will leave.

你觉得唐纳德·特朗普和特鲁多辞职有什么关系？

What do you think Donald Trump has to do with Trudeau resigning?

我不明白这一点。

I don't understand that.

特朗普在国际舞台上羞辱了他，因为

Trump humiliated him on the world stage by

那又怎样？

So what?

我的意思是，特朗普以前也这么做过。

I mean, that that Trump has done that before.

人们不会因为这个就辞职。

People don't resign.

对加拿大来说，被告诉‘我们会让你成为第51个州’，这是一种极大的信心丧失。

It was such a loss of faith for Canada, them being told, you know, we're gonna make you the fifty first state.

这种纯粹的羞辱。

Just the sheer humiliation.

特鲁多党内有很多人讨厌他，因此他的内部人员都倒戈相向，特鲁多意识到自己再也无法继续掌权了。

There are a lot of people inside Trudeau's own party who hate him, and so what it did was his internal people turned against him, and Trudeau saw that he wasn't gonna be able to continue in power.

他将失去自己政党的支持。

He was gonna lose the support of his own party.

所以他现在灰溜溜地走了。

So now he's slinking off.

他可能会乘坐奥巴马的专机，去 Epstein 岛上的一栋房子里，与索罗斯基金会和教皇方济各合作，开发一套儿童课程，你知道的，一些健康美好的东西。

He's probably gonna, you know, be flown on Obama's jet to a house on Epstein Island and work with the Soros Foundation and Pope Francis to develop a children's curriculum, you know, something wholesome and beautiful like that.

好吧。

Okay.

但这真是一个

But this is a

伟大的时刻。

great moment.

特鲁多的倒台，这是一个伟大的时刻。

The fall of Trudeau, it's a great moment.

我们需要的下一个伟大时刻是斯塔默的倒台，他是英国首相，也将一个英语国家变成了一个专制政权，人们只因政治观点就被监禁。

The next great moment that we need is the fall of Starmer, the prime minister of England, who has also turned an English speaking country into an illiberal dictatorship where people are imprisoned for their political views.

我的意思是，英国发生的事情令人震惊。

I mean, what's happened in Britain is shocking.

英国工党仅以34%的选票，就撕毁了《大宪章》和《英国权利法案》。

With 34% of the vote, the Labour Party in Britain has torn up the Magna Carta and the English Bill of Rights.

他们因为人们在Facebook上发表‘我觉得移民太多了’这样的言论就将其监禁。

It it is imprisoning people for going on Facebook and saying, I think there's too much immigration.

他们把人送进监狱，却让强奸犯获释。

They send them to prison and they let rapists out.

谢天谢地

Thank God

听好了，我以前就听过你这么说。

Look, I've heard you say this before.

我知道这是真的。

I know it's true.

老实说，我仍然不明白这怎么可能。

I still do not understand, frankly, how it's possible.

我真的，就是不明白这怎么可能。

I honestly, I just don't understand how it's possible.

这怎么可能，这些事情怎么

How how can What these things

我认为你应该邀请他作为嘉宾，等他从监狱释放后，你应该请汤米·罗宾逊。

I think you should have the as a a guest, you should when he's ever released from prison, you should have Tommy Robinson.

但也许你应该请杰米·班布里克。

But maybe you should have Jamie Bambrick.

杰米·班布里克在北爱尔兰，他一直为我们在直播频道撰稿，讲述英国已不再是一个自由国家，而且可能已无法逆转。

Jamie Bambrick over in Northern Ireland, he's been writing for us over at the stream how Britain is no longer a free country, and it may be irreversible.

你不觉得改革党的领导人奈杰尔·法拉奇足够勇敢，敢于直面这些问题吗？

And you don't think that the head of the reform party, Nigel Farage, is sufficiently courageous to face these things?

我认为他是英国的迈克·彭斯。

I think he's the British Mike Pence

谁说这是对的，很糟糕。

who said it's right bad.

你不觉得有那么糟。

You don't think it's that bad.

我

I

我觉得。

do.

我觉得。

I do.

是的。

Yeah.

我认为他是英国的迈克·彭斯，你们看。

I think he's the British Mike Pence, and they Look.

这说不通，因为他是改革党的领导人。

That doesn't make sense because he's the leader of the reform party.

他不仅仅是个保守派，不仅仅是个托利党人。

He's not a mere conservative, a mere Tory.

他组建了一个政党来推动英国脱欧。

He has formed a party to lead Brexit.

迈克·彭斯并没有做过任何如此英勇或具有特朗普风格的事情。

Mike Pence didn't do anything that heroic or Trumpian.

不。

No.

根据我关注的Twitter上的人所说，像卡尔文·罗宾逊、杰米·班布罗克、加文·阿什登这样的严肃保守派都认为，法拉奇边缘化了那些真正想有所作为的坚定保守派。

From what I see from the people I follow on Twitter, the serious conservatives like Calvin Robinson, like Jamie Bambrook, like Gavin Ashenden, they're all saying that Farage has marginalized the really solid conservatives who really want to do something.

他已经表示，遣返移民这件事已经不在考虑范围内，他们不会遣返在英国犯下20万起强奸案的巴基斯坦人。

He's already said that sending back immigrants is off the table, that they're not going to send back the Pakistanis who are committing the 200,000 rapes in Britain.

他认为遣返移民根本不切实际。

That it's just too impractical to deport immigrants.

人数太多了。

Large numbers them.

我猜这些是政治上的算计。

I would guess that these are political calculations.

是的。

Yeah.

我认为是这样，但在我看来，这些是懦弱的举动，无法体现他作为英国捍卫者的形象。

I think they are, but to me, they are cowardly ones that don't mark him as the British defense.

问我怎么看。

Asked me my opinion.

这就是我的看法。

That's my opinion.

我觉得

I think

这样很好。

That that's fine.

这样挺好。

That's fine.

我们回来后，各位，继续与约翰·兹米雷克对话。

When we come back, folks, more with John Zmirek.

各位，欢迎回来。

Folks, welcome back.

正在与约翰·兹米雷克交谈。

Talking to John Zmirak.

好的，约翰。

Okay, John.

所以你在谈论英国的局势。

So you're talking about the situation in Great Britain.

是的。

Yeah.

我们刚才在谈论奈杰尔·法拉奇。

We were talking about Nigel Nigel Farage.

英国的问题在于，你就像在一条湍急的河流中逆流而上。

The problem in Great Britain is it's like you're swimming upstream against a very fast flowing river.

这条河流由精英舆论主导，得到政府权力的支持，还有街头愤怒的伊斯兰极端分子暴徒的推波助澜。

The river of elite opinion supported by government power, supported by mobs of angry Islamist thugs in the street.

但这三者结合在一起，普通英国人在政治上却无人代表。

But these three things combined, they the the ordinary British people are unrepresented in politics.

特朗普的政党。

The Trump party

鲍里斯·约翰逊最近在哪儿？

Where's Boris Johnson these days?

他是地球上最糟糕的政客之一。

He is one of the worst traders on the face of the earth.

他让迈克·彭斯看起来都像乔治·华盛顿。

He makes Mike Pence look like George Washington.

鲍里斯·约翰逊曾反对英国脱欧，甚至还写了一整本书，主张欧洲联盟应该像美国那样统一，设立中央政府和中央军队。

Boris Johnson opposed Brexit and actually wrote a whole book on how there should be a the European Union should be united like like The United States, that it should have a central government and a central army.

但他后来又重塑自己为英国脱欧的倡导者，故意削弱脱欧的实际影响，也不愿减缓移民速度。

Then he reinvents himself as the champion of Brexit, purposely waters down the impact of Brexit, won't won't slow down immigration.

约翰·兹米雷克，让我澄清一下。

John Zmirek, just let me clarify.

所以你说鲍里斯·约翰逊重新塑造自己为脱欧的倡导者。

So you said that Boris Johnson reinvented himself as the champion of Brexit.

他有没有从这一点上退回去？

Has he tacked back from that?

因为我想到了他。

Because I think of him.

是的。

Yes.

鲍里斯·约翰逊拒绝减少移民，事实上还增加了移民。

Boris Johnson refused to reduce immigration and, in fact, increased it.

鲍里斯·约翰逊关闭并秘密隐瞒了关于巴基斯坦性侵团伙的调查结果。

Boris Johnson shut down in and and kept secret the results of investigations into the the Pakistani grooming gangs.

然后鲍里斯·约翰逊开展了一项行动，确保乌克兰没有和平，因为在仅仅三个月的战斗后，俄罗斯和乌克兰正接近和平，而鲍里斯·约翰逊前往那里，破坏了这一和平进程，以确保战争继续下去。

And then Boris Johnson went on a mission to make sure that there was not peace in Ukraine because Russia and Ukraine were coming close to peace after just three months of fighting, and Boris Johnson went there and blew that up to make sure that the war would continue.

现在，双方可能已经造成了约60万人伤亡，数十亿美元被浪费，我们甚至被推到了核战争的边缘。

And now there've been perhaps 600,000 casualties on both sides, billions of dollars spent, wasted, and us brought to the brink of nuclear war.

所以，如果我说奈杰尔·法拉奇是英国的迈克·彭斯，那么鲍里斯·约翰逊就是英国的莉兹·切尼。

So if if I said Nigel Farage is the Mike Pence of Great Britain, Boris Johnson is the Liz Cheney of Great Britain.

天哪。

Ouch.

好吧。

Okay.

看来英国目前已经没有了英雄式的领导人。

So it looks like Great Britain is out of heroic leaders at this point.

不，并不是这样。

Well, no.

有个人叫汤米·罗宾逊，他因揭露巴基斯坦性侵团伙并持续抵制穆斯林移民有意取代英国人口的政策，而被政府迫害并关押在监狱里。

There's someone named Tommy Robinson sitting in prison, be persecuted by the government for exposing the Pakistani rape gangs and for continually pushing back against the intentional replacement of the British population by Muslim immigrants.

你觉得他有能力成为政治领袖吗？

And you think he's, capable of being a political leader?

不。

No.

他需要成为英国最勇敢的领导人。

He he needs to he is the most courageous leader in Britain.

如果他们要有一个特朗普式的人物，那就是他。

He is their Donald Trump if they're going to have one.

还有法律

And the law

他明明面临牢狱威胁，却没进监狱，而汤米·罗宾逊却被关在狱中。

was firm threatened with jail, but he he's not in jail, whereas Tommy Robinson is in jail.

对。

Right.

太糟糕了。

Horrible.

太糟糕了。

Horrible.

通常你应该这么做，汤米·约翰逊。

Usually, you should do it Tommy Johnson.

汤米·罗宾逊。

Tommy Robinson.

那莉兹·特拉斯呢？

Well, what about Liz Truss?

她是个

She's a

不错的女人。

good woman.

她还不错。

She has she is alright.

莉兹·特拉斯是一位真正的保守派，成功当上了首相。

Liz Truss is a genuine conservative who managed to become prime minister.

英格兰银行决定不希望她当首相，于是故意搞垮了英国经济，制造了一场经济危机，迫使她下台。

The Bank of England decided it didn't want her to be prime minister, so it purposely tanked the economy of Great Britain, caused an economic crisis so that she'd be pushed out of power.

现在她勇敢地发声，揭露了巴基斯坦强奸团伙的暴行，这些团伙迄今为止已针对二十万至二十五万英国女孩实施了强奸、轮奸，并强迫她们卖淫，这些团伙由巴基斯坦移民及其第一代后代操控。

And now she is speaking courageously about the Pakistani rape gangs that have so far targeted between two hundred and two hundred and fifty thousand British girls have been raped, gang raped, forced into prostitution by these extended family gangs run by Pakistani immigrants and and new you know, first generation Pakistanis.

我的天，这简直令人难以置信。

I mean, it's mind blowing.

而莉兹·特拉斯正勇敢地为此发声。

And Liz Truss is speaking up courageously about it.

我们必须向莉兹·特拉斯致以全部敬意。

So all credit to Liz Truss.

他们对莉兹·特拉斯所做的一切，就像当年试图用‘通俄门’虚假指控对付唐纳德·特朗普一样。

What was done to Liz Truss is what they tried to do to Donald Trump with the Russia collusion hoax.

有人掌握了权力，但精英阶层却决定：不行。

Somebody took power and the elites decided, no.

我们不希望这个人掌权。

We don't want this person in power.

我们会动用所有手段，拨动所有杠杆，彻底摧毁他们。

We'll pull all our levers, pull all our strings, and and destroy them.

这就是为什么无论爆出什么丑闻，无论他们抛出什么捏造的丑闻，只要唐纳德·特朗普在任，无论爆发什么禽流感疫情，无论他们想出什么借口，都假设那是谎言。

This is why whatever scandal comes out, whatever whatever manufactured scandal they throw at us, when Donald Trump is in office, whatever bird flu epidemic, whatever they come up with, assume it's a lie.

这是来自地狱深渊的谎言。

It's a lie from the pit of hell.

好的。

Alright.

我们马上回来。

We'll be back.

第二小时我们还有更多约翰·斯米拉克的内容，然后我们的朋友布莱斯、埃迪，系好安全带。

We've got more John Smierak in hour two and then our friend Bryce, Eddie, buckle your seat belt.