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朋友们，我非常高兴地宣布，我们将与IAABC基金会合作举办我们的首届FTC大会——Origins。
Friends, I am thrilled to announce Origins, our first FTC conference in collaboration with the IAABC Foundation.
我们将在2025年4月共同举办这场为期两天的线上大会。
Together, we're hosting this two day virtual conference on April 2025.
你将足不出户，就能收听10场由犬类健康、遗传与行为领域专家带来的精彩分享，还能参与现场问答环节。
You'll get access to 10 incredible presentations from experts in dog health, genetics, and behavior, plus live q and a's, all from the comfort of home.
没错。
Yes.
你可以穿着睡衣来参加。
You can attend in your p j's.
这是一次难得的机会，让你深入探讨犬类繁育，和几位你熟悉的播客嘉宾，以及几位你还不太熟悉但非常值得了解的专家一起交流。
It's a unique opportunity to dive deep into dog breeding with a few of your favorite podcast guests and a few names that will be new to you.
具体信息我们会通过Instagram、TikTok、Facebook主页以及我们的Facebook群组发布。
We'll announce specifics here on our Instagram and TikTok feeds, on our Facebook page, and in our Facebook group.
如果你是我们Facebook群组的成员，还能享受会议票价九折优惠。
And if you're a member of our Facebook group, you'll get 10% off the conference price.
欢迎收听《功能性育犬》播客。
Welcome to the Functional Breeding Podcast.
我是杰西卡·佩里·赫克曼，今天我将采访一些专家，聊聊如何为了功能、健康以及行为和体格来科学地繁育狗狗。
I'm Jessica Perry Heckman, and I'm here interviewing people about how to breed dogs for function and for health, behavioral and physical.
本播客由功能性犬类协作组织提供支持，该组织致力于推动健康、行为稳定的犬只进行合乎道德的繁育。
This podcast is brought to you by the Functional Dog Collaborative, an organization founded to support the ethical breeding of healthy, behaviorally sound dogs.
FTC的目标是为纯种犬和混种犬的繁育者提供教育、社交和技术资源。
The FTC's goals include providing educational, social, and technical resources to breeders of both purebred and mixed breed dogs.
更多信息请访问 functionalbreeding.org，或者关注我们的功能性育犬Facebook群组——我们一直努力让它保持友好和包容。
You can find out more at functionalbreeding.org or at the Functional Breeding Facebook group, which we work hard to keep friendly and inclusive.
希望你听得很开心，也能有所收获。
I hope you have fun and learn something.
这周，我再次邀请到了萨拉·鲁什。
This week, I welcomed back Sara Reusche.
萨拉的姓名后缀着一堆字母头衔，因为她在这行里干过太多事情了。
Sara has a whole alphabet soup of letters after her names because she's done a whole bunch of stuff with dogs.
CBCC-KA、CPDT-KA 和 CVD。
CBCC-KA, CPDT-KA, and CVD.
她还在明尼苏达州东南部和双子城都会区经营着 Paws Abilities 狗狗训练公司。
She also owns Paws Abilities Dog Training, LLC in Southeast Minnesota and the Twin Cities Metro Area.
我和萨拉聊了聊什么是‘轻量级运动犬’，和纯运动犬有什么区别，她养的轻量级运动犬在行为上是什么样的，以及哪怕你想带狗参加运动，每个人也都值得拥有一只容易相处的狗。
Sara and I talked about what we mean by the term sports lite versus sport bred, what the sports lite dog she's bred look like behaviorally, and how everyone deserves an easy dog, even those who want to do sports.
想了解更多关于萨拉的训练课程，可以访问 pawsabilitiesmn.com。
To learn more about Sara's training program, go to pawsabilitiesmn.com.
他们提供线上课程，不用非得住在本地。
They have online offerings, so you don't have to be local.
想了解她的繁育计划，可以去看看 facebook.com/puzdog。
And to learn more about her breeding program, check out facebook.com/puzdog.
这就是 Puzzle Dog 项目。
That's the Puzzle Dog Program.
在这期节目中，我和萨拉聊了聊人们该去哪里找轻量级运动犬，以及该向繁育者问哪些问题。
So in this episode, Sara and I talked a bit about where people might go to find a sports lite dog and what kinds of questions to ask a breeder.
如果你正在找小狗或者成年犬，我强烈推荐你去看看‘Puppy Seekers Project’。
If you're looking for a puppy or an adult dog, I highly recommend checking out the Puppy Seekers Project.
他们在Facebook上有个群组，对找小狗特别有帮助。
They have a group on Facebook, which is incredibly helpful in the puppy search.
到了那里，你可以问问他们怎么获得针对特定犬种的繁殖者推荐。
And when you get there, you can ask them about how to get specific recommendations for breeders.
如果你想了解更多符合功能犬协作组织目标的繁殖者，那里就是最好的去处。
If you're interested in learning more about breeders who prioritize the goals of the Functional Dog Collaborative, that is the place to go.
欢迎回来，Sara。
Welcome back, Sara.
很高兴你能来。
I'm so pleased to have you here.
我们开始吧。
Let us start out.
虽然你之前说过你和谁住在一起，但我知道情况已经变了。
Even though you've told us before who you live with, I know things have changed.
那你跟我们说说你家里现在有哪些狗吧？
So why don't you fill us in on the dogs in your life?
如果你还想聊聊家里其他宠物，也完全可以讲一讲。
If you wanna tell us about other creatures in your house, you certainly can do that too.
好的。
Sure.
非常感谢你邀请我来参加。
Well, thank you so much for having me.
是的。
Yeah.
自从我上次来之后，我家的情况有了一些变化。
So my household has changed, I think, a little bit since last time I was on.
我一共有五只狗，但现在只和其中三只住在一起。
I have five dogs, but only live with three of them.
我现在和九岁的汉、五岁的比兹，还有三岁的里格住在一起。
So I live with Han, who's nine, his daughter Biz, who's five, and Rig, who's three.
另外我还有两只狗。
And then I also have two other dogs.
特鲁特大概十二到十四岁，现在和我父母住在一起。
Trout is somewhere between 12 and 14 and lives with my parents now.
那就是她的养老生活了。
That's her retirement home.
我们最小的那只叫伊罗，两岁了。
And then our youngest, Iroh, is two.
伊罗名义上还是我们的，但实际上现在在我配偶的父母那儿，我觉得我们大概再也收不回他了。
Iroh, is still technically ours, but, actually my spouse's parents have him now, and I don't think we're getting him back.
一开始他们只是帮忙照看几天，结果一拖就拖到现在。
Initially, they were just puppy sitting him, and that's that just keeps extending out.
最近他们跟我们说，觉得伊罗该去和王子狗玩一玩了。
Recently, they had reached out to us and said, you know, we think Iroh needs to play with his dog, Prince.
所以我们打算送他过去待几个小时。
So we're gonna bring him down to visit for a couple hours.
我当时就说，你们这是把Iroh给拐走了。
And I was like, oh, you stole Iroh.
好吧。
Okay.
现在他是你们的狗了。
He's your dog now.
所以，Iroh名义上还是我们的，但我觉得他这下是真被你们收编了。
So, yeah, Iroh is, still technically ours, but I think he's he's well and truly been stolen now.
你们是Iroh的繁育者吧？
And you you bred Iroh.
是这样吗？
Is that correct?
对。
I did.
没错。
Yep.
这说明你的繁育计划真的很成功，连那些没你那么懂狗的人，都忍不住想把你家的狗带走。
So that's I mean, I feel like that is a testament to your breeding program where, someone who doesn't have as much dog experience as you do wants to steal one of your one of your products.
当然了。
Oh, for sure.
你家的幼犬。
One of your puppies.
是的。
Yeah.
他的祖父母特别疼他，他们以前养过一只家庭狗，但除此之外，他们其实并不算养狗的人。
His his grandparents, adore him, and they've they had one dog growing up that was a family dog, but otherwise, they're they're not really dog people.
他们压根没想过还要再养一只狗。
They didn't think they were ever going to get another dog.
他们本来只是帮忙临时照看，结果现在，他彻底成了他们家的狗了。
They truly were just puppy sitting, and, yeah, he's he's very much theirs now.
这倒是挺好的。
Well, that that's nice.
我知道你一定很想他，不过这真是个暖心的故事。
I I know you must miss him, but, but that's that's a nice story.
好的。
Alright.
之前你跟我们讲过你的工作，但为了让大家再回忆一下，能不能简单说说你的专业背景和经验？
So and I also know that you have filled us in before on what you do, but maybe just a quick overview so that just to remind people what your what your expertise is and what your background is.
当然可以。
Sure.
我经营着一家叫Paws Abilities的狗狗训练公司，总部在明尼苏达州，主打正向强化训练。
So I own Paws Abilities Dog Training, which is a reward based training company in Minnesota.
虽然我们主要服务本地客户，但也通过线上课程为全球各地的主人提供指导。
Although we serve clients all over the world, through virtual training and offer a lot of online options.
我有两处训练场地，团队里大约有四十人跟我一起工作。
But I have two different training facilities and around, 40 people on our team who work for me.
我的背景嘛，其实一直在狗行业的各个领域里摸爬滚打过。
My background is actually I I've had my hands in all of the little, pies of the dog world.
我曾经在一家比特犬救助中心担任收容所主管。
So I've worked as a shelter manager at a pit bull rescue.
我待过开放收容和限制收容的两种动物收容所。
I've worked in, open admission and limited admission shelters.
我的职业生涯就是从那里开始的。
That's kinda where I got my start.
我是一名持证兽医技术员。
I'm a certified veterinary technician.
我也在狗日托中心和美容店工作过。
I've worked in, dog daycares and as a groomer.
作为训犬师，我持有CPDT认证的犬类行为顾问资格，也通过了专业训犬师的知识与技能认证。
And then, as a trainer, I'm a certified behavior consultant for canines through the CPDT, and also a certified professional dog trainer on knowledge and skills assessed.
不过最近，我不得不放弃技能部分的认证，因为找不到相关的继续教育课程。
Although recently, I had to drop the skills part of that, just because I couldn't find continuing education for it.
总之，我名字后面挂着一堆头衔，具体有什么用，我也说不准。
But, yeah, I've got a bunch of different fancy letters behind my name for whatever that means.
是的。
Yeah.
你有这么丰富的背景，确实很好。
Well, it's nice that you have such a a broad background.
而且挺有意思的是，你做了这么多事，有收容所的经验，后来竟然去养狗了，这可能让有些人觉得意外。
And it's interesting too, right, that you have done all this stuff and you have the shelter background, you then ended up breeding dogs, which I think for some people might be surprising.
但我猜这其中一定有什么联系。
But I'm I'm guessing there's some sort of connection there too.
你能跟我们说说，你是怎么开始养狗的吗？
So do you wanna just fill us in a little bit on how you got into breeding?
当然可以。
Absolutely.
对。
Yeah.
我大部分的育犬经验其实都来自救援和寄养，现在我依然经常为救援组织做寄养。
So most of my whelping experience is actually through rescue and fostering, and I still foster fairly regularly for rescues.
我们的业务会为收容所的寄养家庭提供免费的分娩支持，还免费开设寄养犬的培训课程之类的。
And my business consults with, rescues will do free support for whelping fosters, and we offer free classes for foster dogs and things like that.
但在明尼苏达州，过去二十年我做生意期间，来参加基础训练课的狗狗群体发生了不小的变化。
But what we saw here in Minnesota is that the population of dogs coming into our basic training classes has shifted quite a bit in the twenty years I've been in business.
我二十年前刚当训犬师的时候，每期课程的第一周，我们只给主人做一次入门介绍。
So when I started as a dog trainer twenty years ago, in our beginning classes, we did an orientation for just humans on the first week of class.
到了第二周，第一件事就是让狗狗们自由玩耍。
And then the second week of class, the first thing we did was off leash play with the dogs.
每次新学员第一次见面，我们都是用自由玩耍来开场。
So the first time we were meeting the dogs, we did off leash play to start off every class.
这可不是乱哄哄的混战，我们会先观察班里有哪些狗狗，再决定它们进场的顺序。
And it wasn't a free for all, so we would look at who was in that class and we would decide who was going to come in in which order.
我们会先让体型小、年纪轻、性格害羞的狗狗先来，然后逐步换上年纪更大、体型更壮、更活泼的狗狗，这样搭配起来更稳妥。
So that we started with the smaller, younger, shyer dogs, and then rotated dogs out as we got to, you know, younger or bigger or bolder dogs so that we were matching them well.
那时候我们每期基础课都能从一开始就让狗狗自由玩耍，实际上也没出过什么问题。
But we were able to do off leash playing every beginning class starting right away on meeting the dogs and honestly really didn't have issues with it.
这根本不是什么大问题。
It wasn't really a problem.
如果现在回头看，能这样做的班级几乎已经绝迹了。
If you fast forward to today, I would say that the classes where we could do that would be vanishingly rare.
偶尔可能有一两个班能行，但说实话，以现在来上课的狗狗群体来看，贸然尝试简直是安全隐患。
We might have an occasional class where that would work, but honestly, it would be such a safety risk to even try with a lot of the population of dogs that we have coming into classes now.
现在课堂上狗狗的整体行为难度已经发生了巨大变化。
So just kind of the general challenge level of the dogs we have in class has shifted remarkably.
我们在幼犬班里也看到了同样的情况。
We're also seeing that in puppy classes.
在幼犬训练课上，我们得给那些小小的狗狗做大量行为矫正。
So we've found that in our, puppy training classes, we're having to do a lot more behavior modification with itty bitty little puppies.
它们才八周大，就已经表现出明显的恐惧，或者严重的狗狗间互动问题。
So they're coming in at, you know, eight weeks of age and already have some pretty significant fears or pretty significant dog dog things going on.
看到狗狗群体的变化，这确实是个不小的挑战。
So that's been it's been a big challenge seeing how the dog population has shifted.
这主要是因为现在进入家庭的狗狗越来越难养了。
And a lot of that is just because the the dogs that are coming into pet homes aren't as easy to live with now.
所以你觉得你可以帮忙培育出更容易相处的狗狗吗？
So you felt like you might be able to contribute to providing more dogs who are easier to live with?
是的。
Yeah.
我一开始是通过收容和饲养狗狗、为救援组织遛狗来做的，后来慢慢也开始参与繁育，因为我坚信狗狗应该容易相处，普通家庭完全有资格享受养狗的乐趣。
And I started doing that with, fostering and and raising dogs, walking dogs for rescues, and then, kind of expanding into breeding as well just because I feel really strongly that dogs should be easy and that the the average pet home should be able to enjoy dogs.
养狗其实没那么难搞砸。
You know, it should be really hard to screw up a dog.
你得特别用心才可能出问题。
You should have to work pretty hard at it.
如果小狗一出生就有很多行为问题，这些毛病是不会随着长大自然消失的。
And if you're getting dogs who already have a lot of behavioral concerns as little puppies, it's not something dogs grow out of.
我不太确定。
I don't know.
你听得到背景里的狗叫吗？
Can you hear the barking in the background?
好的。
Okay.
对。
Yep.
那是邻居家的狗。
That's our neighbor dog.
我打算给他们发条消息，问问他们能不能把狗带回去。
I'm actually gonna text them and see if they'll bring him in.
但他其实是个很好的例子，说明了这种问题。
But he's he's kind of a good case of A
是的。
good example of this kind of thing?
对。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
大狗。
Big dog.
它小时候从阿拉巴马州过来，刚来的时候就表现出明显的恐惧和反应性问题。
He came up from, I think, Alabama as a puppy and had some pretty significant fear and reactivity even as a little puppy coming up right away.
对。
Mhmm.
现在我们管理得很严，尤其是狗狗们在院子里活动的时候，这真的挺难的。
And we do a lot of management now with, when our dogs can be out in the yard, so that they're Oh, that's hard.
是的。
Yeah.
它们在围栏那边都没跟他起冲突。
They're not having issues with him at the fence.
是的。
Yeah.
运输很重要，也很必要，但对小狗来说有时真的挺难熬的。
Transport is important and good, but also I think can be really hard on puppies sometimes.
我不是说这一定是那只狗出问题的原因，但确实可能是个影响因素。
Not to say that that's why that happened to that dog, but could have been could have been a factor.
对吧？
Right?
这也会有影响。
Can contribute.
是的。
Yeah.
而且这确实挺棘手的，毕竟在明尼苏达，狗的资源特别紧张。
And it it's tough because, obviously, we want to here in Minnesota, we have a shortage of dogs.
我以前在这档播客里也聊过这个问题。
I've talked about that on this podcast before.
对。
Mhmm.
所以我们希望帮助那些狗狗太多、急需领养的地方。
And so we we wanna be able to help areas that have too many dogs that need homes.
但确实，如何在保证对狗狗友善公平的前提下做到这一点，是个很难把握的平衡。
But, yeah, it's a tough line of how we do that ethically in a way that's kind and fair to the dogs.
没错。
Right.
我老是忍不住想往某些方向追问，但又提醒自己，这些话题我们以前聊过了。
So I'm I'm I keep being tempted to follow certain lines of questioning and remembering that we've been there before.
这次请你来，就是想专门聊聊繁殖运动型轻型犬的事，我知道你最早那几窝，特别是你的骑士查理王小猎犬混血，都特别温顺好养。
So I did have you on this time to talk about specifically breeding sports lite dogs, and I know that your first litter or two, or particularly your Cavalier Crosses, right, were just very ended up being very sweet, easy dogs.
但后来的那窝狗，性格就稍微活泼一点了。
And then you ended up having slightly spicier dogs in the next litter.
所以能不能说说，为什么你最近这一窝会往这个方向发展？
So maybe could you talk about, like, why did you end up going in that direction with the with the more recent litter?
是的。
Yeah.
这两窝小狗的繁育目标都一样，就是想养出适合新手或者业余爱好者参加运动赛事的狗狗。
So, both litters were bred for the same purpose, to be easy first time or, like, hobbyist level sport dogs.
养柯基的时候，我也希望能把一些更健康的心脏基因带进柯基犬的血统里。
With the Cavaliers, I was also obviously hoping to potentially bring some healthy heart genes into the cavalier population.
当然。
And Sure.
如果这些狗狗长大后表现不错，未来也许能用它们做回交或杂交计划，诸如此类。
If those dogs mature nicely, hopefully, can use them for back crossing, use them for out crossing programs, things like that.
因为柯基的性格真的特别温顺，要是能有更多没有心脏问题、活得更久的柯基，那就太好了。
Just because cavaliers are such lovely dogs behaviorally, and it would be so nice to have cavaliers that were living longer without heart issues.
但我第二窝繁育的运动犬，也完全是把它们当宠物来养的。
But the the sport makes litter, the second litter that I bred, was also very much these dogs are are going to be pets first.
我觉得，哪怕你热衷于参加赛事、特别喜欢狗狗，大多数人其实最看重的还是这一点。
And I feel like that's that's what most people want even if you're competing in sports and you're really into dog stuff.
你和狗狗一起比赛的时间其实很短，远不如平时朝夕相处、一起生活的时间多。
The time that you're spending actually competing with a dog is pretty minor compared to the amount of time you're living with that dog, that you're hanging out with that dog.
所以我的主要目标是，这些狗容易相处，不会太难搞，不容易出问题，也不需要每天花很多时间陪它玩。
And so my my primary goal is that these are dogs that are easy to live with, that aren't going to be complicated, that aren't going to be easy to screw up, that don't have really high daily enrichment needs.
因为这就是我们现代社会的需求。
Because that's that's our modern society.
我们需要的就是这样的狗。
That's the dogs that we need.
对。
Yeah.
所以我一直管这种狗叫‘轻量级运动犬’。
And so I've been calling dogs like that sports lite.
那你觉得，跟你在Facebook上看到那些标榜是运动血统的狗相比，有什么不同呢？
How would we how would you compare that to, you know, when you go on Facebook and you see dogs advertised as being sport bred?
你生产的这种狗，跟那些有什么区别？
Like, what's what's the difference between that and to and what you're producing?
我知道这问题有点难回答，毕竟我们也不想让人觉得别人的做法不好或者不对。
I I know it can be a little it's a little bit of a tricky question because we don't wanna sound like like what other people are doing is bad or wrong.
对。
Right.
但我觉得，把这些区别说清楚也很重要。
But it's also, I think, important to to be clear about what the differences are.
是的。
Yeah.
我拿我的两只狗来举个例子。
So I'm going to use, two of my dogs as examples.
我先说说比兹，她是我的狗，我刚繁育过两窝小狗，还打算再下一窝。
And I'll I'll start with Biz who's the girl that I've I've bred and I'm planning one more litter for her.
她就是我刚才提到的那两窝小狗的妈妈。
But she's the mom to the two litters I just discussed.
比兹是我心目中完美的‘轻运动型’狗狗。
Biz is what I would consider kind of the perfect sport lite dog.
她特别容易适应各种家庭环境。
So she's a dog that would smooth really easily into a lot of different homes.
她当一个八岁乡下男孩的宠物再合适不过了，俩人一起玩得满身泥巴，抓小龙虾。
She would do just fine as, you know, the pet to an eight year old boy living out on a farm, and they'd go get muddy together and catch crawfish.
她也完全适合一位退休老太太，整天窝在沙发上看肥皂剧，偶尔遛个弯儿。
And she'd also do just fine as a pet to a retired woman who wanted to sit on the couch and watch her soaps and maybe do a quick little tootle around the block.
要是她那样生活，简直就是个活沙发。
And, you know, Biz would be ottoman shaped.
就算真那样，她肯定胖得不行，但那种生活方式她完全能适应。
If she did that, she would definitely pee obese, but she would be she would do well in that lifestyle.
她特别好训练。
So she's a dog who's very easy to train.
她喜欢和我一起做事，但不非得和我一起才行。
She likes doing stuff with me, but she doesn't need to do things with me.
我觉得这正是‘轻度运动型犬’和‘必须靠运动才能满足’的狗之间的关键区别。
And I think that's kind of what sets apart the the idea of a sports lite dog versus a dog who has to do sports to be fulfilled.
Biz 并不需要靠运动来获得满足。
Biz doesn't need sports to be fulfilled.
她过这种宠物狗的生活就完全满足了。
She'd be perfectly happy with a pet dog lifestyle.
这其实就是她日常生活的主旋律。
That's the primary, you know, day to day life that she lives.
我来跟你说说我的三岁小狗Rig吧。
And I'll contrast that to, my three year old, Rig.
Rig是专门培育来参加运动的狗。
So Rigg is a sport bred dog.
她的血统非常出色。
She has very winning, lines.
你看她的亲戚们，全欧洲的飞球比赛、跳水赛、飞盘和敏捷赛，个个都是顶尖选手。
So if you look back at, her relatives, they're kicking butt in fly ball all over Europe and really successful in dock diving and disc and agility and all the sports.
它们特别聪明、特别好训练，但养起来却挺折腾人的。
They're incredibly keen, incredibly easy to train, but she's also really tough to live with.
她现在要做绝育手术，就是为这个原因，还有别的几个原因。
And she's actually she's getting spayed for that and a couple other reasons.
但她的日常需求要高得多。
But her day to day needs are just much higher.
她可不是那种我生了病就能随便应付的狗。
So she is not a dog where I can have a sick day and not give her things.
她每天必须得到身体和心理上的锻炼，不然根本没法相处，她自己也会很痛苦。
She needs physical and mental exercise every single day or it's just really, really tough to live with her and she has a hard time.
她的生活质量完全取决于每天能否得到充分的身体和心理活动。
Her quality of life is really dependent on getting that individual physical and mental exercise every single day.
所以对她来说，根本没有休息日。
So with her, there's not days off.
这跟我以前接触工作犬的经历有关，比如跟不同警队合作的时候。
That's that's kind of some of the background of where I've come from working with working dogs, so working with different, police departments.
我在比特犬救助中心工作时，见过很多这样的狗，性格都更强烈一些。
And when I worked at the pit bull rescue, we had a lot of dogs who were like this that are just kinda a little bit more.
这些狗确实特别热衷于运动，天赋也出众，但同时也带着一点额外的张力。
And certainly, those dogs are keen to do sports and very talented at sports, but it comes with that little bit of extra edge.
对吧？
Right?
如果你的生活不只是围着狗狗转，那确实会很难。
And that can be tough if this isn't everything you do.
如果你还有狗运动之外的生活，说实话，我都不知道那是什么感觉，但我猜对大多数人来说这才是常态，那像里格这样的狗就会更难照顾，得确保满足它的所有需求。
So if you have a life outside of dog sports and outside of your dogs, which honestly, I don't know what that's like, but, I assume that that's the reality for most people, then a dog like rig is just going to be trickier to make sure that you're meeting their needs.
你是说那个
Did that
我的意思是，你和我都需要啊。
I mean, you and I both need yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
我觉得你和我就是很好的例子。
I think well, you and I are good examples.
对吧？
Right?
所以啊，你和我都需要时不时请个病假。
So we we you and I both need sick days from time to time.
我现在不一定每周都得请病假，但一旦需要，那就非请不可。
I don't I don't need sick days necessarily every single week at this point, but when I need one, I really need one.
多亏了配偶，也多亏了我花大价钱请的遛狗人。
So thank god for thank god for spouses, and thank god for dog walkers who I pay an ungodly amount of money to.
以前我养的那只狗根本没法单独待一天，那时候我也得靠别人。
Or or I and I did when I had the dog who could not take a day off.
那时候我们每个月光请遛狗人就要花一千美元。
We were spending a thousand dollars a month on dog walkers.
所以我特别能理解这种感受。
So, I sympathize with that.
虽然狗几乎占了我生活的全部，但有时候我还是得坐在电脑前，准备网络研讨会，或者处理数据平台的事儿。
And then even though dogs are in a lot of ways my whole life, I even so, sometimes I need to be on the computer prepping a webinar or working on the data platform or whatever it is.
对吧？
Right?
这还是跟狗有关，但不是跟我的狗互动，有时候我也需要能做点别的。
And that's still a dog thing, but it isn't a interacting with my dog, and sometimes I need to be able to do that too.
没错。
So Right.
这很重要。
It's it's important.
那你觉得会有什么后果吗？
What so do you think that there are consequences?
如果你养一只适合当宠物的狗，那它会不会就不适合参加运动比赛，或者在比赛中没那么出色？
So if you breed a dog who's a good pet, does that make them not able to do sports, or does it make them less fun at sports?
或者说，这两者之间有什么取舍？
Or, like, what's the trade off there?
我对这个问题有很强烈的想法，不过可能不是所有人都同意。
So I have strong opinions about this, and, I'm not sure everybody would agree.
我觉得我们为家养犬培育的很多特质，其实也让它们成为出色的运动犬。
I think that a lot of the traits that we breed for with, pet dogs make dogs really successful sport dogs.
我觉得这里存在一种误解。
And I think there's this kind of myth.
总有人觉得，如果狗不够兴奋，就等于没有动力。
There's this sacred cow that if you don't have a dog that's leaking drive, that they don't have drive.
但我并不认同这种说法。
But I'm I don't agree with that.
我觉得实际情况并不是这样。
I I don't think that's actually the case.
我觉得当一只宠物狗，其实是我们能交给狗狗最难的任务之一。
So I think that being a pet dog is one of the hardest jobs that we can ask our dogs to do.
每天能忍住不追求太多身体或精神上的刺激，这种能力我觉得恰恰有助于狗狗在运动比赛中表现更好。
Being able to tolerate not getting a lot in terms of physical or mental activity every day is something that I think also translates to being a successful sport dog.
因为如果一只狗天生就能自己放松、安静下来，不需要刻意训练，那它在比赛环境中也更容易平静下来。
Because if you have a dog who's got, say, a natural off switch where they can relax and settle on their own without having to build that in, That's also a dog who's probably going to be able to relax more easily in say a trial set.
我刚才也在想这一点。
I was just thinking that.
是的
Yeah.
如果要带狗去参加比赛，Biz 是我最靠谱的旅行搭档。
If you're traveling for shows, Biz is my best travel dog.
她特别省心。
She's just easy.
她在车里就很自在。
She's happy in the car.
到了酒店也一样开心。
She's happy to, arrive at the hotel.
她对任何事情都不敏感、不激动。
She's not reactive at anything.
在酒店里，哪怕外面很吵，她也能安心睡觉休息，第二天精神饱满。
So in the hotel, if there's a lot of noise, she's just going to sleep and rest, and then she's well rested the next day.
所以她上场前不会累得精疲力尽。
And so she's not wearing herself out before we go into the ring.
她能在狗笼里好好休息。
She's able to rest in her crate.
她能睡得安稳。
She's able to sleep.
我觉得这些对我们的工作型赛犬也同样重要。
And I feel like those are important things for our working trial dogs too.
是的。
Yeah.
当然。
For sure.
我在一些运动社群和训练平台上注意到，大家经常讨论怎么让狗狗冷静下来，假设很多赛犬平时都太兴奋了，但很少有人谈怎么提升狗狗的动力。
I I think I also see on in the sports groups and, the sports education platforms, a lot of discussion of how to bring your dog down with the assumption that there's a lot of sport dogs that are really over the top a lot of the time and not so much discussion about how to build motivation.
我觉得，如果非得二选一，不如把精力放在培养动力上，这样晚上想让狗狗休息时，就不会费劲儿地把它从天花板上拽下来了，这可能更有效。
Whereas I feel like, well, if you're gonna have to do one or the other, maybe if you put your time into building motivation, but then you're not peeling the dog off the ceiling when you're trying to go bed go to bed at night, that might be a better approach.
是的。
Yeah.
而且说实话，我觉得这根本不是非此即彼的问题。
And, honestly, I I don't think it's an either or either.
我觉得有些狗既非常有动力，又能自然地停下来休息。
So I think that, you can have dogs who are very motivated and also have that natural off switch.
所以我根本不需要特意去激发我的狗的动机。
And so I'm not having to say build motivation in my dogs.
它们本来就特别乐意为了食物、玩具、互动游戏，或者去那边那个邮箱上撒尿而工作。
They're already really happy to work for food or for toys or for personal play or for the opportunity to go pee on that mailbox over there.
本来就有一些狗很容易被激励，它们喜欢和主人一起做事，这样事情就简单多了。
There are already dogs who are easy to motivate it, and they are dogs who like doing stuff with their people, which makes things easy.
你觉得你选育的那些特质，到底是什么让狗愿意和人一起做事的？我是说，喜欢和主人互动，这是你刻意选育的吗？还是说跟咬合力、亲人性有关？
What do you think the characteristics are that you're breeding for that make dogs like doing I mean, is is just liking doing things with my person something that you breed for, or is it some like, is it bitability, human sociability?
你到底在选什么特征呢？
Like, what are you what are you selecting for?
你知道吗？
Do you know?
是的
Yeah.
我觉得我主要在选几项特质。
There's there's a few things that I think, I'm selecting for.
我说我在选这些特质，是因为遗传实在太复杂了。
And I say a thing I'm selecting for because genetics are so complicated.
谁说得准呢？
And, who knows?
是我从小狗时期就开始单独训练，才让它们变成这样，还是它们本来就会这样？
Am I building this from the time they're little puppies and I'm doing individual training sessions with them, or were they going to be like this anyway?
你的项目在这个领域还算是新的。
And your program's new relative to this kind of thing.
如果你已经做了几十年，可能就更清楚了。
If you were a couple decades in, it might you might know more.
没错。
Exactly.
是的。
Yeah.
但我认为，总的来说，我选的是那种天生懂得停下来的狗，同时又很在乎和人互动的。
But I think that generally, what I'm selecting for our dogs who have that natural off switch, but also are socially motivated.
它们喜欢和主人一起做事，因为它们就是享受和主人待在一起。
So they they like doing things with their person because they like being with their person.
我觉得这种社交动力，还有整体的亲和力，是让狗容易训练的关键。
And I think that social motivation and just kinda general sociability is a big part of what makes a dog easy to train.
我养的是梗犬混血，它们不一定像运动犬或牧羊犬那样天生听话，但还是有不少狗，真的特别愿意和主人一起干点啥。
I have terrier mixes, so they're not necessarily what you would think of as bittable in the same way that say a sporting or a herding breed might be biddable, but there's still dogs that, gosh, they like doing stuff with their people.
我经常说，我想要一只轻松型的运动犬，不一定要冲着世界大赛去。
I have often said that I want a sports lite dog and I don't want to necessarily compete on world team.
你觉得呢？你其实是在说，这种选育方向是合理的，我同意。
Do you feel that I mean, you've you're making the argument, which I believe that it was appropriate selection.
你完全可以培育出那种在家乖巧、又愿意参加运动比赛并且表现不错的狗。
You can produce dogs that are easy in the home and motivated to compete in sports and do well.
你觉得它们的能力上限在哪里吗？
Do do you think there's a limit to how far they can go?
你觉得每个人都能这样繁育狗狗吗？还是说，如果你想在顶级赛事中竞争，就得用另一种类型的狗？
Do you think everybody could be breeding dogs like this, or do you think that if you really do wanna compete at the top of the sport, you're gonna be working with a different type of dog?
这是个好问题，我也不确定。
That's a great question, and I don't know.
是的。
Yeah.
我刚才才想到这个问题，没提前跟你说。
Didn't warn you about that one ahead of time because I just thought of it.
没有。
No.
我也不确定。
I I don't know.
当我看那些在国家级比赛、站上领奖台的狗狗时，我觉得你可能是在选育有一定反应性的狗。
I when I look at the dogs who are competing, at kind of a national level, at that podium level, I think that you are probably breeding for some degree of reactivity.
我说‘反应性强’这个词的时候，天啊，肯定会让不少人不高兴。
Reactivity, when I say that word, gosh, that's gonna get people's hackles up.
我指的是对变化能迅速做出反应。
What I'm talking about is fast reactions to changes.
就是那些能瞬间灵活调整、随时应对突发状况的狗。
So these dogs that can kind of adjust on the fly instantaneously, and who might kind of bring things gosh.
我正琢磨该怎么表达才准确。
I'm trying to think of how to word this.
我觉得，那些带点锐气的狗，在顶级赛场上确实更有优势。
The dogs who are going to have that little bit of edge, I feel like does bring a competitive advantage at that top level.
而且，我认为能达到这个水平的训犬师其实少之又少。
And also, I would argue that there's vanishingly few handlers that are competing at that level.
所以我们现在培养出的这类狗，生活压力其实很大——如果每天没有足够的体力和脑力活动，它们根本撑不住。
And so the number of dogs that we're currently producing at that level are honestly just having tougher lives because if they're not getting that daily physical and mental exercise, then they're having a hard time.
我刚才也在想，是不是该问问你关于它们福利方面的问题。
I was actually just thinking that I should ask you about the welfare implications of it.
所以你刚才说，要满足它们的需求其实很难。
And so you just suggested that it's hard to keep up with their needs.
但我想到，我以前养的那条狗并不是专门训练来参赛的。
But I wonder having I mean, the dog that I lived with was not a sport bred dog.
它有些地方和参赛犬相似，但也有不少地方完全不一样。
He had he shared some traits in common and some traits very much not in common.
即使我尽力满足了它，它还是有福利方面的问题。
But even when I met his needs, he had welfare issues.
我不禁想，顶级参赛犬是不是也面临同样的情况。
And I don't I wonder if the same is true of the very high level sport dogs.
而且我觉得，我们这会儿可能有点踩到敏感地带了，我并不想批评别人的决定。
And I think, again, we're sort of getting into dangerous territory here because I don't wanna be criticizing other people's choices.
但姑且做个思想实验吧——就算你满足了它们的所有需求，光是活在那种高度敏感、高度反应的状态里，会不会本身就成问题？
But just as sort of a thought experiment, I wonder if even when you meet their needs, if just living at the level of having that much how did I'm trying to remember what words you used.
我不是说动机，而是那种对环境极其敏锐、精准的反应能力。
Not exactly motivation, but those those sort of fine tuned responses to your environment.
这本身会不会也是一个问题呢？
Like, is that itself an issue potentially?
我接触过的很多工作犬品种，确实是个问题。
A lot of the working bred dogs that I've worked with, it is an issue.
我再拿里格举个例子，不过我得先说明一下，用里格当例子我要特别小心。
And I'm going to use Rig as an example again, and I wanna be really careful about using Rig as an example, so I'm gonna preface that.
里格来自一个专门繁育四项运动犬的繁育者。
So Rig is from a breeder who breeds four sports.
他们有几十年的运动犬繁育经验，培育出来的狗都很出色。
They have a couple decades of sport breeding experience and produce really nice dogs.
我之所以选这家繁育者，是因为我特别欣赏他们的培育体系。
I actually went to this breeder because I love their program.
我喜欢他们的血统，也喜欢我见过的他们培育的狗。
I love their lines, and I love the dogs that they produce that I've met.
里格这一窝在他们家的繁育体系里算是个例外，所以这并不代表他们平时养的狗，因为繁育这事儿太复杂了。
Riggs litter was a little bit of an anomaly for their program, and so this isn't typical of the dogs they breed because breeding is complicated.
对吧？
Right?
当然。
Sure.
确实是你。
It's you yes.
如果每次都一样，那我们早就在沃尔玛卖了。
If it was if it was the same every time, we'd be selling them at Walmart.
没错。
Right.
没错。
Right.
所以我并不想让人觉得我在批评他们的繁育计划，我根本没有这个意思，我下次还会毫不犹豫地从他们那儿再买一只。
And so I I don't want it to make I don't wanna make it sound like I'm, saying anything bad about their program because I'm not, and I would get another dog from them in a heartbeat.
但Rig属于他们繁育体系中特别极端的个例，这提醒我们，如果目标是培育出具备高运动能力、强驱动力，以及高度情绪和身体反应性的犬只——能快速适应环境变化的犬只，我们就得认真思考这个问题。
But Rig is kind of that extreme edge of what they're breeding, and that is something that I think we have to think about if we're breeding for that sport ability and that amount of drive and that amount of kind of emotional, and physical reactivity where they can adjust really quickly to changes.
一窝小狗里可能会有几只正好符合你拿奖牌的需求。
You might have a couple dogs in the litter who are exactly what you need to be podium level.
但也很可能有几只表现没那么突出，这也没关系。
But it's also likely that you're going to have a couple dogs who aren't, who are a little bit less, and that's great.
你可以把它们送给那些想在当地比赛中认真参赛的人。
You can you can place those puppies with somebody who's looking to compete pretty competitively at maybe the local level.
不过，这窝里很可能还会出现几只性格更极端的小狗。
But then you're also likely to get a couple of puppies in that litter who are more extreme.
那这些小狗你该怎么处理呢？
And then what do you do with those puppies?
是啊。
Yeah.
这确实是个难题，对吧？
That's that's the hard question, isn't it?
我突然想起来一件事。
I I'm remembering.
我今年七月去你们那儿演讲的时候，对吧？
So when I went out to talk at your facility, this it was this July, wasn't
是吧？
it?
是的。
Yeah.
大概是六月左右？
Towards June or something?
对。
Yeah.
我们当时围坐在一起，你们讲了不少关于狗狗的搞笑故事。
And we all sat around, and you you guys told some hilarious stories about your dogs.
我觉得你讲的关于里格的故事，特别能体现她的性格。
And I feel like the story that you told about Rig is a really good illustration of what she's like.
那个故事，你知道我想说的是哪个吗？我有点记不清了。
So the story do you do you know what story I'm about to I don't.
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是为了让你想起来说吗？
To prompt you to tell?
有很多特别有趣的故事。
There's a lot of great stories.
是说你当时累得直接躺倒了，天哪。
Had to do with you being passed out as oh, no.
你的助手帮完小狗后也累得睡着了，而里克却出去跑步了。
Your assistant's being passed out asleep after helping with puppies, and Rick was going for a run.
对。
Yes.
是啊。
Yeah.
那是我们准备上一批小狗出生的时候。
So this was when we were preparing for business last litter.
所以我们知道她接下来24小时内就会开始分娩。
So we knew that she was going to start labor sometime in the next twenty four hours.
她体温下降了，这通常意味着分娩会在接下来的24小时内开始。
She had had a temperature drop, which is generally indicative that labor is going to start within twenty four hours.
所以我们一直在盯着待产，还叫了几个朋友来帮忙观察。
So we were on Puppy Watch and I had a couple of friends over who were helping with Puppy Watch.
他们俩都躺下小睡了一会儿。
They both lay down to take a nap.
我想，好吧，这正是我该去穿装备的时候了，因为小狗马上就要出生了。
And I thought, okay, well, this is a good opportunity for me to wear a rig out because this is gonna be Puppies are coming.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
小狗就要来了。
We've got puppies coming.
这对里格来说可不容易啊。
It's gonna be tough for Rig.
咱们先把她的一些基本需求处理一下。
Let's get some of her physical needs taken care of.
所以我打算让她跟着自行车跑，这可是她最喜欢的事了。
And so I was going to let her run alongside the bike, which is one of her favorite things.
但我忘了，因为我当时熬夜等小狗，困得不行，瑞格一兴奋起来跟着自行车跑，那叫声简直能掀翻屋顶。
And what I forgot, because I was also sleep deprived waiting for puppies, is that Riggs' excitement level for running alongside the bike leaks out in just the most ungodly scream ever.
所以我们刚要骑车，她就开始尖叫。
And so as we're getting ready to bike, she is screaming.
那叫声太吓人了，我那两个朋友本来睡得正香，一下子被惊醒，以为她被篱笆缠住，脚都快被扯掉了，吓得直接从床上跳起来。
And it's the kind of scream so my two friends who were over both woke up from a sound sleep to a dog screaming, bolted out of bed thinking she had, like, gotten hung up on a fence and, like, degloved a foot or something from the scream that she was screaming.
其实她只是太开心了，特别兴奋能跟着自行车跑。
And it was just that she was so happy, excited to be running alongside the bike.
所以每次骑车带她出门，头一分钟全是她的尖叫声。
And so the first about minute of any bike run with her is just her screaming.
之后她才安静下来，跑得又稳又欢实，但那声尖叫真把他们吓坏了，以为狗马上就要没命了。
And then she settles into running and runs really nicely and is really fulfilled, but that scream woke them up and in just a complete panic thinking that a dog was literally dying.
这简直就是情绪高涨的典型表现。
And that's like The the definition of big feelings.
对吧？
Right?
没错。
Yes.
Rig的任何事都特别强烈。
Everything everything's big with Rig.
是啊。
Yes.
而你讲的Biz的故事，都是她到处翻东西、吃太多。
Whereas your stories about Biz involved, her getting into things and eating too much.
不好意思。
Sorry.
对。
Yeah.
一直如此
Been
我们在聊调皮捣蛋的事。
we're talking about naughtiness.
比如她根本不会跳上台面，但会去院子里抓兔子，从狗洞叼进屋里，就在家里吃。
It's gonna be stuff like and, you know, she doesn't even really counter surf, but things like catching a bunny in the yard and bringing it in through the dog door to eat it in our house.
你懂的。
You know?
这算有趣吗？
Is that fun?
不算。
No.
她是梗犬。
She's a terrier.
她是梗犬。
She's a terrier.
但你说得对。
But you're right.
我对梗犬有这种行为是有所预期的。
I I expect some of that with terriers.
是的。
Yeah.
这和里克家的情况不一样，她要是得不到足够的照顾，真的会很痛苦。
And it doesn't have the same welfare implications that, someone like Rick has where she she really is pretty miserable if I'm not making an effort to meet her needs.
我再给你举个例子，关于那两只小狗，里格和伊罗。
I'm actually gonna give you another example with, the two young dogs, Rig and Iroh.
我们那阵子接连来了好几个青少年，说实话，我不建议这样。
So we we had teenagers back to back to back, which I don't recommend.
我不会再这么做了。
Wouldn't do it again.
现在伊罗两岁，里格三岁了。
So Iroh's now two and Rig is three.
我们刚刚才熬过那段青春期。
We're just kinda getting past that teenager.
这感觉真不错。
Oh, it's nice.
但前几天，我看了看我训练这两只小狗学会的那些本事。
But the other day, I was looking at what I've trained the two young dogs to do.
Rigg 会的指令和动作大概有一百多个，大部分都练得相当熟练，靠口令和手势都能完成，涵盖好几种运动项目。
And Rigg knows probably over a 100 tricks and behaviors, trained pretty close to fluency for most of them, on verbal and, verbal cues and hand signals and for a variety of sports.
不过我其实没带她参加多少比赛，因为比赛环境对她来说太有压力了，她情绪特别敏感。
And she's not a dog I do a lot of competing with because the trial environment is tough for her because she does have big feels.
就像我说的，当你专门选育运动型犬种时，总会碰上那么一两只特别敏感的幼犬。
Like I said, she's kind of that extreme edge of when you're breeding for sports, you're going to get a couple puppies that are more than.
对吧？
Right?
没错。
Sure.
所以她只参加少数几项比赛。
So she she only competes in a couple things.
她参加飞盘和追猎赛，因为这两项她能做得很好，其实会的技能多得数不清。
She competes in disc and coursing because she can do those successfully, but knows a million things.
然后我还有个两岁的叫伊罗的，他会应召，也会牵着绳子走路。
And then I have Iroh who's two and he can recall and he can walk on a leash.
他会定点上厕所，也懂待在狗笼里，就这些了。
He's house trained and crate trained and that's kinda it.
话又说回来，你公婆确实是从你这儿把他带走的。
I mean, to be fair, your parents in law stole him from you.
没错。
But Right.
对。
Right.
但即便如此
But even then
但你其实没必要那样做。
But you didn't need to.
对吧？
Right?
你的意思是这个。
Is your point.
我知道。
Knew.
对。
Right.
我根本没怎么训练过他。
I didn't have to do any training with him.
他根本不需要学会那么多，因为他很好相处，而且也很开心。
He really doesn't need to know things because he's easy enough to live with and he's happy.
所以他的日常生活里并不需要这些来满足。
So he doesn't need that to be fulfilled in his day to day life.
照顾伊罗的需求要简单得多。
Providing for Iroh's needs is much simpler.
他和祖父母一起生活，每天散几次步，偶尔能见到邻居家的狗，也偶尔能见到邻居。
His life with his grandparents is, a few walks a day, and he gets to see neighbor dogs sometimes, and he gets to see neighbors sometimes.
他喜欢玩捡球。
He plays fetch.
他想玩的时候随时都能让祖父母陪他玩，他们也乐意陪他。
He can kinda demand fetch whenever he wants, and his grandparents are happy to do it.
但他可不是每天都要玩上好几个小时的捡球。
But it's not like he's asking for hours and hours of fetch every day.
对吧？
Right?
他愿意追几次球，然后就乖乖趴在他们腿上睡觉。
He's happy to chase the ball a few times and then to sleep on their lap.
所以他懂的没那么多，因为他根本没必要知道那么多。
And so he just doesn't know as much because he doesn't need to know as much.
我想问问，他平时做运动吗？
And I I would like to ask what's does he do sports?
不过我猜，既然他们把他带走了，他应该没怎么运动。
But I'm guessing since he's they've absconded with him, he doesn't.
也许Biz是个更好的例子。
Maybe biz is a better example.
你和Biz一起运动吗？
Do you do sports with biz?
实际上，Iroh还得再熟悉一两个动作，才能开始参加正式的课程，因为沥青地面适合做完整动作组合，而像AKC敏捷赛那种...
So, actually, Iroh, I think he needs one or two more queues to get his kind of first course in title week course in because that, asphalt allows for intact mixes, whereas like AKC Fast Kept
就不行。
Does not.
对。
Mhmm.
所以他离这个水平已经很接近了。
So he's he's close to that.
我觉得他拿过几个飞盘比赛的奖项，就是那个Up Dog。
I think he's got a couple Up Dog awards, which is disc.
他肯定已经准备好参加CGC认证了，就是那种宠物服从性测试。
He certainly he's probably ready for, like, CGC spot, kind of the the pet obedience tests.
我得教他这些，不过应该不难。
I'd have to teach him this day, but that's not gonna be hard.
等我哪天能把他偷回来参加几场比赛，他就能去参加农场猎物追踪赛了。
And then he's ready to compete in barn hunt if I'm ever able to steal him back for a couple trials.
所以，是的，他确实会干不少事儿。
So, yeah, he he does some things.
只是他不需要像那样高强度的训练。
He just hasn't needed the same level of training.
Biz参加的是敏捷服从赛、飞盘比赛，等我有时间又有钱了，他就能去参加跳水赛了。
Biz competes in, rally obedience, disc horsing, and is ready to compete in dock diving when I have the the time and finances to do it.
这可真不少啊。
That's a lot.
所以我们不能忽视 breeding 体育犬时的生理因素。
So we should not neglect talking about the physical aspect of breeding for sports.
你对它们的身体结构该是什么样有什么看法吗？或者你在做这些决定时，会问自己哪些问题？
Do you have thoughts about physically what they what their structure should look like, or what kinds of questions do you ask yourself when you're making those decisions?
是的。
Yeah.
我知道结构方面不是我的强项。
So I know that structure is not my strongest suit.
我还在不断学习这方面的知识。
I'm continuing to learn more about it.
为此，我找了一位非常优秀的运动医学兽医，问了她无数问题，比如在选配种犬时该注意哪些具体特征。
And so for that, I have a really good sports medicine vet, and I've just asked her a million questions about what I should be looking for in specifically in breeding partners.
比如，如果我手头这只母犬是这样的，那在选公犬时，身体上该优先考虑哪些特质，才能确保生出健康的小狗？
So if this is the bitch that I have, what traits should I be prioritizing in a stud physically to make sure that I'm producing sound puppies?
总的来说，我在结构上偏好那种体型比较匀称的狗。
And my general so generally, what I'm looking for, structure wise are fairly moderate dog shaped dogs.
所以当我描述我繁育的幼犬时，我想要的是那种不一定非得有典型品种特征的狗，你懂我的意思吧。
And so when I describe the puppies that I'm breeding, I'm looking for a dog that doesn't necessarily look like a breed, if that makes sense.
我们很多品种的狗，光看一眼就能认出来是纯种，因为它们身上有跟普通狗明显不一样的地方。
So a lot of our breeds, you can tell that they're ex breed because of a trait that's different from the general dog population.
而我繁育的狗，我希望别人一看就觉得：这狗真漂亮。
And my goal with the dogs that I'm producing is that you look at them and go, that's a nice dog.
就是那种看不出具体是哪个品种的狗。
That just that doesn't look like anything in particular.
它们的关节角度、嘴部长度、背长和被毛都保持得很中庸。
They're very moderate in terms of angulation and muzzle length and a back length and coat.
我对被毛类型、耳朵形状、尾巴或毛色其实不太在意，除非这些特征可能带来健康问题——比如我之前生过一些白色斑块很多的幼犬，所以我现在会特别小心，不再继续选这种高白毛的狗来配种，免得以后出现听力问题。
I'm not particularly fussed about coat type or ear set or tails or color beyond, things that might have implications, like if we have I've produced some high white puppies, and so being careful that I'm not continuing to select high white puppies for my breeding program and then potentially have the issues with, say, deafness later down the line.
除此之外，我就真不怎么纠结这些了。
But beyond that, yeah, I'm I'm not too fussed about that.
很好。
Nice.
所以如果有人想找这种类型的狗，除了关注你的繁育计划之外，还有没有其他途径可以找呢？
So if people are looking for dogs of this type, are there aside from following your breeding program, obviously, are there other places for people to go?
你觉得现在有没有不少繁育者也在追求和你类似的目标？
Are there a fair number of breeders out there at this point sort of with similar goals to yours, do you think?
我特别喜欢功能犬协作组织的一点是，它逐渐成了有相似繁育理念的人互相交流、支持、共同发展的平台。
One of the things that I love the most about the Functional Dog Collaborative is that I feel like that's becoming a good place for those of us who have similar breeding goals to kinda meet and to support one another and, build our programs.
所以如果有人想了解，我一般会建议他们去联系功能犬协作组织里的其他繁育者，他们大多也持类似的看法。
And so that's that's probably where I would send people is to talk to other breeders who are members of the FDC who are kind of thinking along the same lines.
我觉得现在有很多运动型繁育者养很多狗，但一个人到底能照顾多少只狗，真正把狗狗的福祉放在首位，这完全因人而异。
The biggest thing that I think there's there are a lot of sport breeders who have a lot of dogs, And the number of dogs that an individual can care for in a way that really puts welfare first is going to depend on that person.
这跟具体数量没关系。
So it's it's not going to be based on a number.
我知道我自己适合养少量的狗，因为我有慢性病，有时候得花几周时间少折腾它们。
It's I know that I do well with, just a few dogs in my household because I do have chronic illness, and I do need to have weeks where I'm not really doing a lot with my dogs.
但有些人可能能照顾比我还多很多的狗，而且照样照顾得很好。
But other people might be able to provide for the needs of dogs, with quite a few more dogs than I can.
话虽如此，我觉得如果狗狗主要生活在笼子里、狗舍里，或者那种轮换模式——比如半天在院子里和其他狗待在一起，另外半天在专门的狗房间里——这种情况下，
That said, I think that dogs who are in households where the dogs primarily either live in crates or kennels or kind of rotating setups where maybe they're spending, half their day in a yard with a group of dogs and then the other half of their day, you know, in the dog room.
我很难判断这些父母犬是不是那种适合做宠物的类型，毕竟你没法太了解它们作为伴侣犬的真实状态。
I I don't think you're going to get as much information about whether those parents are the sort of dogs that you would want to live with as a pet.
所以，当我考虑把狗带回家，或者建议别人养幼犬时，我最大的建议是：去找那些生活模式和你非常相似的父母犬，因为它们已经证明了自己能很好地适应那种生活。
And so when I'm looking into bringing a dog into my household or when I'm advising people to get a puppy, my biggest recommendation is to find parent dogs who live lives that are very similar to yours because you know they're successful living those lives.
因此，我会特意寻找那些住在家里的狗，在家里自由活动，而不是被关在笼子里、限制在某个房间，或者需要被拴住、通过其他方式管理的狗。
And so I'm going to specifically be looking for dogs that are living in the house, free in the house, not, you know, crated in the house or in one room or having to be tethered or managed in some way.
但我希望父母双方首先是宠物，也许我的狗会跟我一起睡在床上。
But I wanna see that both mom and dad are pets first and maybe my dogs sleep in bed with me.
所以那些种犬是跟它们的主人一起睡在床上吗？
So are the parent dogs sleeping in bed with their people?
这对我来说很重要，因为我喜欢这样，而且我不想费心去管理狗狗的睡觉时间。
That's something that's important to me because I enjoy it and I don't want to have to manage bedtime with my dogs.
我比较懒。
I'm lazy.
我不想为此操心。
I don't wanna have to worry about that.
我还会关注父母犬在公共场合的表现如何。
I'm also going to look at things like, are the parent dogs successful going out in public?
因为这些事我也想和我的狗一起做。
Because that's something I want to do with my dogs.
我希望养的狗容易带出门，能随便塞进车里，横跨全国旅行、住酒店、停靠服务区，都不用费心去安排或操心。
So I want to have dogs that are easy to travel with, that I can pop them in the car and we can drive across the country and stay at hotels and stop at rest stops, and it's not going to be something where I'm going to have to think about it a lot or manage or plan for it.
所以我特别会挑那些能在这种场合表现淡定的父母犬，比如去本地集市，周围全是醉醺醺的人、拴着绳子的狗、到处乱跑的孩子，而狗却一脸淡定，完全不在意。
And so I'm going to specifically select parent dogs who are successful doing those things that they can go to, like, the local festival where there's, a bunch of drunk people and a bunch of pet dogs on leash and kids everywhere, and the dog's just like, okay.
挺好。
Cool.
听起来真不错。
That sounds lovely.
我以前养过的很多狗，其实挺有意思的。
It's, it's funny from a lot of the dogs that I've lived with.
这听起来要求挺高的，但听你这么说，你们的项目里好像确实能做到。
It feels like a really big ask, but it sounds like you have found it to be doable in your program.
当然，我觉得这在一定程度上跟犬种有关。
Certainly, I think that it's something that is somewhat, breed dependent.
对吧？
Right?
我知道你特别喜欢牧羊犬。
And so I know that you love your herding breeds.
是的。
I do.
它们特别敏感。
They're very sensitive.
没错。
Yeah.
我们在挑选适合牧羊的狗时，会选那些对环境变化特别敏锐、对个人空间界限也很敏感的狗。
When we're selecting dogs to be successful at herding, we're selecting dogs who are going to notice things that are different and who are going to be very aware of personal space bubbles.
但这些特质并不会让狗狗变成难以相处、不社交或不讨人喜欢的宠物。
And those things don't those traits don't preclude a dog from being a easy, social, lovely pet.
不过作为主人，你确实得付出更多心思和精力。
But certainly that means that as a handler, then you're going to have just a little bit more work.
对吧？
Right?
没错。
Mhmm.
你要从小教它、帮它适应：是的，有时候人行为怪异，但这不是你该操心的事，而我的梗犬呢，它们根本觉得‘人行为怪异’挺有意思的。
Being able to explain to them as a young dog and socialize them that, yes, sometimes people act weird, and it's it's not your problem to deal with dog, versus my terriers are just like, yeah, sometimes people act weird, and isn't that cool?
这世界真有意思。
It's a funny world.
是啊。
Yeah.
我旁边就躺着一只牧羊犬，它现在四仰八叉地躺着，但时不时还是会留意周围环境的变化。
I, I have a a herding dog next to there's a bed next to me, and he's he's sprawled out right now, but he definitely, from time to time, notices differences in his environment.
那我还有什么没问你的，但我应该问的吗？
So what have I what have I not asked you about that I should ask you about?
天哪。
Gosh.
这问题问得真好。
That's a great question.
我觉得我们
I think we've
我觉得我们已经聊得差不多了。
I feel like we've covered it.
大部分内容都覆盖到了。
We've covered it for the most part.
你想不想具体聊聊你的某窝幼犬，借此展示一下你在这方面做过的一些工作？
Do you wanna talk about any of your litters specifically to sort of highlight some of the stuff that you've done in this area?
我觉得我们还没聊到的一个点是，繁育者和宠物主人在培养这种‘轻量级’运动犬方面的角色，以及我理想中的家庭是什么样的。
So I think that another piece here's something we haven't talked about is, the breeder's role and then the the pet owner's role in having this, kind of sport lite dog and then maybe what, my ideal homes are.
你提醒我别忘了聊这些。
So help me remember to talk about all of that.
养犬人的责任，我觉得从计划繁殖之前就开始了。
But so the breeder's role, to me is that they're they're setting their puppies up for success from before the litter's even planned.
我选的种犬，不管是哪一批，都是先当宠物养的，平时就住在家里。
So, again, selecting those parents, both of the studs that I've used with business litters have been dogs who are pets first, who live in the home.
它们的主要身份是宠物，顺便才做别的事。
Their primary purpose is as a pet, and then they also do other things.
比如那批可卡犬杂交繁育的种犬，是一只工作治疗犬。
So the stud for the Cavalier Outcross Litter is a working therapy dog.
他每周都去医院，特别喜欢自己的工作。
And so he visits the hospital every week and loves his job.
他特别喜欢穿上那件小背心，因为这意味着他能去探望别人，还能被专业地摸摸——这可是他这辈子最爱的事。
He loves getting his little vest on, because it means he's gonna get to go visit and be professionally petted, which is his favorite thing in life.
讨厌被人摸。
Hate to be petted.
听起来真不错。
It sounds great.
对。
Yeah.
他觉得，自己这辈子就该干这个。
He's like, this is this is what I was put on earth to do.
对了，我得提一下他女儿科琳娜，她刚以优异成绩通过了Delta Pet Partners的治疗犬评估。
And actually, I'm gonna break on his daughter, Coraline, actually just passed her therapy dog evaluation with Delta Pet Partners.
真棒。
Nice.
她才两岁，就和妈妈JCL一起顺利通过了。
At the age of two, she just passed that with her mom, JCL.
我跟朋友聊的时候说，要是我住院时能被JCL和科琳娜探望，我肯定立马就好了。
And I was talking to a friend of mine and saying that, I don't know, if I was in the hospital and I got visited by JCL and Coraline, it it would cure me instantly.
这小家伙真是阳光又暖心。
Such a sunshiny little dog.
但那是第一只种公犬。
But that's that's the first stud.
然后我用的第二只种公犬Fender，一开始也是家里的宠物，后来才开始参加飞球和跳水比赛。
And then the second stud that I use Fender is also a family pet first, and then he also competes in fly ball and in dock diving.
他确实也参加运动，但他的主要身份还是家庭成员。
And so he does also do sports, but his primary purpose is that he's a member of the family.
对。
Yeah.
所以我觉得，选狗的时候就要为它们的成功打基础，作为繁育者，关键是要做好社会化和环境适应，比如从小让幼犬体验和人一对一互动的乐趣。
So I think that setting your dogs up for success in selecting, and then as a breeder, just kinda socialization and environmentally, things like exposing puppies early on to the idea that I can do fun things with a person one on one.
我会给幼犬单独训练，只要Bizza一允许，妈妈一同意，我就立刻把小狗带离窝箱，抱着它们在家里到处走。
So doing individual training sessions with puppies, I mean, I start taking puppies away from the well-being box as soon as Bizza lets me, as soon as mom lets me, and just carrying puppies around the house.
我们会去卫生间短途散步，去洗衣房转一转，反正就是带它们去各种地方，让它们跟着我探索新环境，培养它们对新鲜事物的好奇心，接触各种声音、景象、地面材质和气味。
We go on little field trips to the bathroom, and we go on little field trips to the laundry room, and, you know, they're just going places where they're just exploring new things with me, teaching them to be enrichment seekers and novelty seekers, so exposing them to a wide variety of, sounds and sights and surfaces and smells.
然后多带它们出门，我觉得特别重要，尤其是如果你打算养一只未来参加竞技的狗，因为它们一生中会见到比普通宠物狗多得多的东西。
And then, getting them out and about is, I think, really important if you're looking at a dog who might be a sport dog in the future because they're going to see more things in their life than the average pet dog.
对吧？
Right?
所以要确保这些小狗们多出去走走。
And so making sure that those litters of puppies are going out.
我们有个小婴儿推车。
We have a little puppy stroller.
他们会去Sonic餐厅，坐在外面看车来车往，跟人打个招呼，说不定还能得个小狗甜筒。
And so they're doing things like going out to Sonic and sitting out at Sonic and watching the cars go past and meeting people and maybe getting a little pup cup.
或者去Shields商场，看看那些动物标本。
Or they're going out to Shields and they're seeing the taxidermied animals.
我们这儿的Scheels商场里有个小摩天轮，还有个迷你保龄球道，会说话的机械人，各种稀奇古怪的东西。
And our local Scheels has a little, like, Ferris wheel inside and a little golly alley, and animatronic people that talk, like, lots of weird stuff.
但他们在能真正感到害怕之前，就已经见过这些了，因为小狗在七周左右才开始发展出恐惧反应。
But they're getting to see that stuff before their brains are really able to process fear yet because developmental puppies don't process fear until, closer to around seven weeks.
所以这些东西对他们来说都变得习以为常了。
And so it it all just becomes normalized.
不过牧羊犬品种五周大就开始了。
Except for the herding breeds who start doing it at five weeks.
对。
Right.
没错。
Yeah.
我突然想起来，你之前提到过两窝小狗的不同，特别是后一窝，我记得你说它们很早就开始爬出窝，自己到处探索了。
I I also I was remembering you were talking about the differences in in the two litters business, two litters that, the later litter, I remember you were saying they were crawling out of their pens much earlier and taking themselves on expeditions.
天哪。
Oh, dear god.
是啊。
Yeah.
那窝卡瓦利犬直到被领走前都像土豆一样窝着不动。
The the cavalier litter were potatoes until they went home.
根本不用担心它们会爬出笼子或者干别的乱跑的事。
There really wasn't a lot of concern about them, like, escaping their, weeding pen or things like that.
而那窝更活跃的混血小狗，确实早就开始到处探索了。
And then the more sporty mixed litter, definitely were out and about exploring much sooner.
才两周大，这就太早了吧。
At, like, two weeks, there were That's so young.
是的。
Yeah.
能听到小狗在叫，就只是……
There were sounds of puppy just
我勉强能看见。
I could just barely see.
对。
Right.
它们的眼睛还没睁开，耳朵也还没张开呢。
Their eyes, I their ears weren't even open yet.
有一只小狗踩着兄弟姐妹当梯子，直接从育幼箱里蹦了出去，我听见一声尖叫，赶紧冲过去，结果它正跺着脚朝我跑来，哭得特别伤心，因为它想回窝里和兄弟们待在一起。
And one of the puppies climbed her siblings like a ladder and plunked out of the whelping box, and I heard pop sounds of puppy distress and went running, and she was just, like, stomping towards me screaming, really, really upset that she wasn't in with her sibling.
我当时就想，这不就是你干的吗。
I'm like, well, you did that.
所以没错，你六月来参加研讨会、到我训练场的时候，我知道你到的那天周五，小狗们从断奶围栏里跑出来了。
So, yeah, when you came out to visit for the seminar, at my training place in June, I know that the Friday that you arrived, the puppies had escaped their weaning pen.
我不得不在研讨会布置的正中间，一边哭一边重新弄好整个断奶围栏。
And I'd had to redo their entire weaning pen, like, in the middle of seminar setup while crying.
当然。
Of course.
那你有没有注意到，随着它们长大，这两窝小狗在行为上有什么明显差异？
Did so did you see have you seen a lot of behavioral differences between the two litters as they got older?
比如，你当初看到的那些幼年时期的差别，后来有没有持续下去？
Like, did that did that track through the differences that you saw when they were younger?
我觉得那窝更活跃的混血小狗，就是身体上更灵活、更有劲儿。
I would say that the the more sporty mixed litter, they are just they're physically more able.
至于卡瓦利犬的混血，它们就是卡瓦利犬的混血。
So the cavalier mixes are cavalier mixes.
当然了，它们还是很敏捷的狗，但就是没法像那些有好几代混血运动犬血统的狗那样，把身体用得那么出色。
And certainly, they're they're still very athletic dogs, but they they just aren't ever going to be as talented at using their bodies as the the dogs who have generations of mixy mix sporty breeding behind them.
不过说到自控力和适应家庭生活的能力，它们俩的表现其实差不多。
But in terms of things like off switches and being able to be successful in pet homes, they're very comparable.
每种狗都有各自的缺点，我们这两窝小狗各自都有不同的行为问题。
We have different so there's there's no perfect dog, and we have different behavioral challenges with both litters.
对于那窝卡瓦利混血犬来说，最明显的问题是它们对触碰比较敏感。
So with the cavalier mixed litter, the the biggest thing that we see is there's some touch sensitivity.
所以它们特别喜欢裸着。
And so they're nudists.
就算它们毛短、容易着凉，也不喜欢穿衣服。
They don't particularly like putting on clothes, even though they're short coated and they get cold.
你肯定觉得挺遗憾的，因为你特别喜欢给它们戴那些漂亮的大项圈。
That's sad for you because you really like the big pretty collars.
是的。
Yeah.
好在项圈还行。
Luckily, collars are pretty okay.
不过嘛，
But Okay.
问题是，
Things
不是外套，
like putting But not coats.
背带可以。
Harness.
对。
Yeah.
穿外套就不行。
Putting on coats.
就是不喜欢穿东西。
It's just they don't like wearing things.
然后那种更运动型的混血幼犬，对声音的敏感度稍微高一点。
And then the, more sporty mixed litter, we had a little bit more sound sensitivity.
所以在做幼犬评估的时候，其中一项测试就是制造一个很大的噪音。
So when we were doing puppy evaluations, one of the things that's done is, there's a loud noise.
比如拿个装满硬币的罐子，突然往地上一扔，观察幼犬的反应。
So there's, like, a can that has a bunch of pennies in it that gets dropped, and you see how the puppies respond.
这些小狗对这种声音有点承受不住，容易紧张。
And these guys kind of frayed a little bit with that.
我们不得不为其中几只暂停评估，抱一会儿哄哄，让它们平静下来。
We actually had to take a break from the puppy evals for a couple of them for a little snuggle break to get them back.
这种对噪音的敏感程度，比我之前在比兹或者比兹的兄弟姐妹身上，还有那窝卡瓦利犬混血幼犬身上看到的都要明显得多——那些狗对巨响根本不在乎。
And so that was a lot more sensitivity to that than I had seen, with Biz or with Biz's siblings or with the cavalier mixed litter, who are pretty bomb proof about loud sounds.
那窝卡瓦利混血幼犬，你一开吸尘器，它们反而高兴得跟在你后面转，觉得特别有趣，诸如此类的情况。
The cavalier mixed litter is actually like, you start vacuuming, and they're like, oh, that's my jam, and wanna follow you around while you're vacuuming, you know, things like that.
听起来挺不错的。
That sounds nice.
你们把不同窝的幼犬分给了不同类型的主人吗？
Did you did you place the different litters with different types of owners?
没有。
No.
它们都被安排在我理想中的家庭里。
They're they're all placed in kind of my ideal.
这正好让我想到我理想的幼犬家庭：要么是第一次接触犬类运动的人。
So that actually brings me to talking about my my ideal, puppy homes are either, first time dog sport people.
比如，小时候养过狗，现在是第一次养成年犬。
So somebody who's maybe either they've grown up with dogs and they're getting their first dog.
也许小时候和狗一起玩过四分卫训练，但这是他们成年后第一只狗。
Maybe they did like four h with their childhood dog, but this is their first dog as an adult.
或者，他们以前养过狗，也参与过运动，但从来没养过专门用来做运动的狗。
Or, they've had dogs that they've done sports with, but they've never gotten a dog to do sports with.
就是说，他们之前有狗，后来才开始接触敏捷、飞盘或接盘之类的运动。
You know, they they had a dog and then they got into agility or fly ball or disc or whatever.
这些人正是我理想中的主人。
Those are kind of my ideal people.
或者是普通家庭养宠物的。
Or, pet homes.
我觉得，能成功融入普通家庭的狗狗需求特别大。
Again, I feel like there's a really big need for dogs who are successful in pet homes.
现在我们对宠物的要求真的很高。
We ask a lot of our pets these days.
所以我特别喜欢把狗狗送到有孩子的家庭里。
And so, I love placing dogs in homes where they're going to live with kids.
我觉得，孩子从小和一只愿意陪他玩、和他互动的狗狗一起长大，对人生影响特别大。
I think that having as a as a kid growing up with a dog that enjoys you and enjoys doing stuff with you makes such a difference in people's lives.
是的。
Yeah.
所以我特别看重这一点。
And so I like that.
我不是在找那些想要下一匹竞赛犬的家庭，因为已经有很多繁育者在成功地为这个目的培育狗狗了，这并不是我的重点。
I'm not looking for homes that want, like, the next big competition dog because I feel like there's plenty of breeders who are producing dogs really successfully for that, and that's not my priority.
我的首要目标是当宠物，其次是那些能在业余爱好层面表现不错的狗狗。
My priority is pet first, but also dogs who will be successful at a hobbyist level.
当然，训练它们去参与你感兴趣的任何运动项目都不会太难。
Certainly, you're it's going to be easy enough to train them to do whatever sports you wanna do.
是的。
Yeah.
但那不是它们的主要用途。
But it's not their primary purpose.
对。
Yeah.
太好了。
Perfect.
我得说，第二窝小狗里，有一只被安置在一个养第一只狗的家庭里。
I will say with the second litter, one of the puppies is placed in a home where she's their first dog.
哇。
Wow.
是的。
Yeah.
他们把她照顾得特别好，她也特别可爱。
They're they're doing a lovely job with her, and she's delightful.
我总是收到她和两只猫咪室友依偎在一起的最美照片。
And I keep getting, the best pictures of her snuggling with her two kitty housemates.
其实只有一只猫咪室友。
Well, one kitty housemate.
另一只还在琢磨她是不是能被这个家接受。
One is still kind of figuring out whether she's acceptable in this household.
和猫咪室友依偎，见朋友的孩子，一起出去冒险。
But snuggling with the kitty housemates and, meeting friends' kids and going on adventures together.
作为繁育者，最让我开心的就是看到这些小狗被送到这样的家庭，真正成为家里的一分子。
And that's really as a breeder, that's what brings me the most joy is placing those puppies in homes where they're a member of the family like that.
是的
Yeah.
真好
That's lovely.
我很高兴你们这个项目存在
Well, I'm really glad that your program exists.
所以
So
谢谢你
Well, thank you.
不客气
You're welcome.
是的
Yeah.
我很高兴人们能更容易通过功能性犬类协作平台找到彼此，同时我也特别兴奋地看到各种新项目不断涌现，那些可爱的狗狗们虽然各有不同，但目标都是一致的：让狗狗能很好地融入家庭，又不只是整天躺着当沙发土豆
I'm glad that I'm glad that people are more able to find each other the Functional Dog Collaborative, but I also I've just been really excited seeing all the different programs that are springing up, and all the the cool dogs, all the sort of slight differences, but all with these very similar goals of having dogs that fit well into homes but also really enjoy doing things that aren't just potatoes.
是的。
So Yeah.
挺好的。
It's nice.
真不错。
It's lovely.
随着功能性犬类协作组织的发展，以及养宠人士或领养者越来越关注幼犬父母的生活状态，我相信会越来越多的人开始关注这个至关重要的细分领域。
And I think that as as the FTC grows and as pet owners start asking more questions about, or puppy seekers start asking more questions about what the parents' dog life look like, we're going to start seeing more people focusing specifically on kind of this niche that is so important.
人们值得拥有好狗。
We we just people deserve nice dogs.
人们值得拥有好养的狗。
People deserve easy dogs.
狗狗就该让人开心。
Dogs should be enjoyable.
对吧？
Right?
养狗本来就不该那么容易出错。
It should be really hard to mess up a dog.
是的。
Yeah.
非常感谢你再次做客这个播客。
Well, thanks so much for coming back on the podcast.
我真的非常感激。
I really appreciate it.
对。
Yeah.
谢谢你邀请我。
Thanks for having me.
大家好。
Hey, friends.
有些朋友问怎么支持这个播客，所以我们专门设了一个Patreon页面。
Some of you have asked how to support the podcast, so we have set up a Patreon page for it.
只需每月小额赞助，就能帮助我们支付制作这个播客的费用。
For a small monthly pledge, you help us pay for producing this podcast.
作为回报，你们可以推荐问题给播客嘉宾，还能提前收听新 episodes。
And in exchange, you get a chance to suggest questions for podcast guests, and you get early access to podcast episodes.
想了解更多信息，请访问 patreon.com/functionalbreeding。
To find out more, go to patreon.com/functionalbreeding.
你也可以通过在你常用的播客应用中订阅，并留下好评来帮助推广这个节目。
You could also help promote the podcast through subscribing to it through the podcast app of your choice and by letting favorable reviews.
如果你希望更广泛地支持 Functional Dog Collaborative，或者想参与我们的活动，请访问 functionalbreeding.org 网站，点击支持链接。
If you're interested in supporting the Functional Dog Collaborative more generally or finding ways to get involved, go to the functionalbreeding.org website and click the support link.
感谢所有曾经帮助过我们的人。
Thanks to everyone who has helped out.
没有你们，我们根本做不了这件事。
We could not do this without you.
非常感谢你们的收听。
Thanks so much for listening.
《功能性育种》播客由功能性犬类协作组织出品，制作人为阿蒂拉·穆尔塔。
The Functional Breeding Podcast is a product of the Functional Dog Collaborative and was produced by Attila Murta.
欢迎加入我们的功能性育种Facebook群组，讨论本集内容，或者聊聊负责任的育种实践。
Come join us at the Functional Breeding Facebook group to talk about this episode or about responsible breeding practices in general.
想了解更多关于FTC的信息，请访问functionalbreeding.org网站。
To learn more about the FTC, check out the functionalbreeding.org website.
祝你和你的狗狗相处愉快。
Enjoy your dogs.
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