第212集 - 2023年十大精选及近期游戏

大家好，欢迎回到游戏坑。没错，你们没听错，我们回来了。我是肖恩，这位是罗南。

Hello, and welcome back to the game pit. Yes. You are hearing right. We are back. I'm Sean, and here's Ronan.

各位好，无论此刻是何时辰。我有点生疏了。总之肖恩，我们回归了。不过多赘述，就是最近太忙了。

A very good whatever time of day is to you, everyone. I'm out of practice. Anyway, Sean, we're back. We're not going on about that. It's just been busy.

我们没玩太多游戏。但也体验了些新作，去了埃森展，现在准备好聊聊这些——这推销词可真蹩脚——我的2023年前十榜单会很不全面，毕竟去年玩过的游戏实在不多。

We haven't played many games. But we've played some games, and we've been to Essen, and we are ready to discuss them and this is poor salesmanship is gonna be a not very comprehensive top 10 of 2023 for me because I didn't play that many games in 2023.

是啊，我也是。我浏览BGG上2023年所有热门新作时一直在想：没玩过这个，那个也没玩过。

Yeah. Likewise. It's I was looking at sort of all the good ones that all the major ones that had come out in 2023 on BGG, I was like, nope. Not played that. Nope.

那个也没玩过。对，所以...

Not played that. Yeah. So

公平地说，有些游戏我还没玩过，等讲到我的前十榜单时会提到。但有些高分作品我确实兴趣不大。老实说2023年——本来该去年做的榜单现在才做——我感觉自己有点脱节了。不过2024年我又找回状态了。不知道这是因为我性格古怪，还是因为...以前我们能涵盖所有游戏，玩遍各种作品，现在根本做不到。整个桌游圈正在经历一场小地震，大家逐渐意识到：我们再也当不了全知玩家了，总要错过些作品的。

In fairness, there are a few that I haven't played and I'm gonna talk about them when I get to my top 10, but also there's a few that are sort of top rated whatever that I just wasn't that interested in. I'm gonna be honest with you, 2023 I was gonna do this the top 10 bit we do it now. I felt like I fell out of sync a little bit, but 2024 I feel like I've come back in and I don't know how much of that is just me being odd and how much was like just trying to we used to be able to cover all games and play so many games and be comprehensive and now you just cannot do it. And to me the whole industry and hobby is going through a little bit of an earthquake of people realising we cannot be those comprehensive gamers anymore. You're just gonna have to play some things and miss some things.

这是媒介发展的必然阶段。就像电影、书籍和音乐，你不可能听完每张新专辑。

It's the growth of a medium. It's film and books and songs. You can't hear every album that comes out.

当你这么说的时候，你认为游戏产量会趋于平稳吗？因为光是游戏的数量和规模就令人震惊——我们最近去了埃森展，仅埃森一地推出的游戏数量就让人瞠目结舌。这简直不可思议。所以你是否认为现在游戏实在太多了，以至于大型...

When you say that, do you think it's gonna sort of level off in terms of how many games are produced? Because the sheer amount, sheer volume of games, and we've been to Essent recently, the amount of games that comes out in Essent alone is breathtaking. It's it's staggering. So do you think that there are just too much that people are the big

制作公司。如何界定'太多'？因为我不这么认为。电影产量有限是因为制作成本高昂，专辑制作也需要大量投入。

production companies. How do you measure too much? Because I don't think so. The reason you have a limited number of films coming out is because films are really expensive to make. For albums, it takes a lot of effort.

图书虽然创作费力但投入较低，所以每年有数百万书籍被创作（并非全部出版）。我认为游戏更接近这种低投入模式——制作一款游戏，卖出几千份就能回本。当然这很费功夫，但就投入和基础设施而言远不及制作专辑或电影。所以游戏产量的唯一限制就是有多少能回本。

For books, although it does take a lot of effort, it is low input. So there are millions of books being written every year, not all getting published, some sell publishing the rest of it, and I think gaming's more towards that end of the amount of input it requires. In order to produce a game, sell a few thousand copies and make your money back. Yes it takes a lot of effort, don't get me wrong, but in terms of input and infrastructure it's nowhere near doing an album or doing a film. So the only limit to how many games come out is how many can sell to break even, really.

是的。就独立发行商和小型发行商而言你是对的。但像Boredom Games（抱歉是Boredom Dice）这样的大公司，他们每年可能只专注发行四五款游戏，我认为这将成为大多数大公司未来的运营模式。

Yeah. You're right in terms of more about the indie publishers and the smaller publishers out there. But I think the bigger ones, your boredom games, boredom dice, apologies, they're going to concentrate on maybe four or five releases throughout the year and I think that's going to be the model for most of the big companies going forward.

这很正常，但你会看到新兴公司突然涌现的潮汐现象——他们爆红一款后往往会跟风推出四五款。通常情况是他们爆红后一年内推出20款，然后突然恐慌地意识到这是个馊主意。不过对大公司来说，几年前他们可能每年只推出一两款。

Which is fine but you're going to get that ebb and flow where other companies suddenly spring up. They'll get one hit and then they'll produce four or five or six. Generally what we see is they get a hit, they produce 20 in a year and then suddenly panic and go that was a really bad idea. And it sounds more realistic. But don't forget that for a big company a few years ago it would be one or two years.

这只是行业发展的必然阶段。我并不担心，该调整的是我们这些消费者的适应能力。发行商无需担忧，买家群体在扩大，题材更加多元化，游戏正在脱离小众范畴。这种发展很棒，需要改变的是我们面对新形势的适应方式。

It is just a growth. I'm not worried about it. I think it's us that's having a panic because our consumption has to adapt to the new reality. It's not the publishers that have to pay it, there's plenty of buyers, there's more people coming in, there's more themes, it's becoming less niche. I think it's great, it's me that has to have that adaptation to what's going on.

没错。作为桌游评论者，我们确实需要缩小视野范围，有所选择地决定评测哪些游戏。

Yeah. No, absolutely. I think as board game reviewers, we've definitely got to sort of narrow our horizons, put our blinkers on a little bit, pick and choose what we do review.

对，对，这根本不是时间或金钱的问题。我们就假装自己很有品味和文化吧。总之，刚才那个回球很深。

Yeah. Yeah. It's not it's not time or money at all. Let's just pretend that we're discerning and cultured. Right, anyway that was a deep return.

我们直接进入正题吧。我们不会像以前那样做非常深入的评测，因为这会影响你玩游戏的方式。前几天我还提到，我觉得玩游戏时总在思考如何评测，我需要放松时间。所以我们会聊聊玩过的游戏，分享观点，但不会像'我试了这个，试了那个'那样详尽。算是稍微调整下，聊播客运作机制有点无聊。

Let's just crack on. So we're not gonna be doing deep deep reviews as previously just for the fact that takes to me it changes the way you have to play a game. I was talking about this the other day that I feel like I'm constantly thinking about how to review a game when I'm playing it and I need the downtime. So we're going to talk about games we've played, we're going give our opinions, but we're not gonna be done until I tried this out, I tried that out. So just a slight shift, boring to talk about the inner workers of podcast.

你会听到我们最近玩过的10款游戏，然后可以整理出2023年的十佳榜单。肖恩，全世界每个播客和评测者都聊过这款游戏，所以我不能没完没了。这是Repos出品的《中土世界双人版》，布鲁斯和卡塔拉的作品。基本上就是布鲁斯负责双人机制设计，卡塔拉做了他擅长的——改编现有游戏。

You're gonna get 10 games that we've played recently and then you can get a top 10 of twenty twenty three. Sean, every podcast and every reviewer in the world has reviewed this game so I can't go on forever. It's dual middle earth from Repos. It's Bowser and Katala. So I think basically it's Bowser designed everyone as dual, Katala's done his thing where he he adapts a game that exists.

原作是《指环王》，现在改编成了《七大奇迹：对决》版。

It was Lord of the Rings. It's seven wonders duel.

标准版总会有的。我有点刻意回避它，因为我们想借用汤姆·瓦塞尔的一句话。我之前担心的是

Standard is always gonna happen. I think I kind of avoided it a little bit because we wanna steal a steal a line of Tom Vassal. I was worried that

淡定，淡定，淡定。

Easy. Easy. Easy.

这游戏真有那么神吗？全是炒作吗？我喜欢原版《七大奇迹：对决》，但不像有些人那么惊艳。所以我就在想，是不是因为挂了《指环王》的名头才这么火？

Is it is it all the hype. Is it all hype? I like seven one De Stuell. I wasn't amazed by it like some people were. So I just thought, oh, is it just hype because it's Lord of the Rings?

但热潮仍在持续。炒作仍在继续。不过你对此有何感受？

But it's still going. The hype's still going. But how did you feel about it?

它浓缩了七大奇迹对决的精华，然后融入其中。当我们谈论主题时，对我来说，《指环王》中贯穿始终的暗流赋予了它深度，使其长久存在并取得成功。因此它简化了机制，去除了我认为并不繁琐的'人人抽牌'环节，甚至进一步精简。这让游戏变得极易上手。但它强化了选择的重要性，由于机制的简化和选择重要性的提升，我能清晰看到自己决策的连贯性——当游戏推进到第二纪元末期、进入第三纪元时，我早前的选择将决定当前处境的好坏，更多时候则处于'我的军队能否征服中土世界'的微妙平衡中。

It distills seven wonders duel, and then it throws in. When we talk about a theme, to me it's overarching currents that are within Lord of the Rings that give it the depth that have made it exist and be a success for so long. So it simplifies the mechanisms, it takes away and that's Everyone's Draw I didn't think was fiddly, but it takes even less away. It makes it so easy to play. But it heightens the choices and because of the simplification of mechanism and the heightening of the choices, I feel like I can see the through current of my choices and when we're getting into the end of the second age, into the third age, what I've chosen back there has set me up to be in this position be it good, be it bad and quite often be it right in the balance of are my armies gonna take over Middle Earth?

我是否通过影响其他种族获得了政治胜利的条件？还是魔戒争夺已完全失控？亦或魔戒已落入我手？我能清楚看到自己的每一步决策及其影响，回溯选择时也历历在目。而这仅仅是三十分钟的游戏体验。

Have I set myself up for a political victory by getting influence over other races? Or is the hunt for the ring completely out of control or have I got it? And I can see what I've done and as I make the choices I can see it and as I look back over my choices I can see it. And it's only a thirty minute game.

你刚才有所提及，但从你和其他许多玩家的反馈中，我感受到游戏主题确实贯穿于玩法之中。你确实能体会到自己试图达成的目标。是这样吗？

So you kind of alluded to it there, but the feeling I'm getting from you and a lot of people is that the the theme of the game actually does carry through into the gameplay. You kind of do get a sense of what you're what you're trying to achieve. Is that correct?

没错，这体现在两个层面：你需要通过三种途径取胜，而这正对应着魔戒战争的三大维度。军事层面显然是最直接的——它其实降低了军事的抽象性，更像深度战棋游戏：七个区域、军队部署、战略要地，若能在所有区域保持军事存在就能获胜。这种设计带来了动态变化，因为在第三纪元（前两个纪元主要是调兵遣将）会突然出现移动卡牌——这完美契合原著前两部的主题：圣盔谷之战虽精彩，但更多展现的是各方势力集结固守要塞的态势。

Yeah and this is kind of in two different ways because you're trying to win in three different aspects and they're the three aspects that the War of the Room was for. Obviously it's military. Actually reduce the abstraction of the military, it's like a deep war game, you've got seven areas, you've got troops, you've got patrices, you're ever present in all seven, you win the game. And it actually brings dynamism via that because in the third age, so the first second age mostly you're putting troops out. In the third age there are movement cards and suddenly that's part of the theme in the first two books, alright you got the battle of Hammer's Deep, but it's a lot like the forces being gathered and being placed into strongholds.

大规模野战并不多见，因为中土世界正经历着暗流涌动的纪元更迭。（我扯太远了，快闭嘴吧书呆子！）直到第三纪元，军队开始调动，大战才真正爆发——这种节奏极具主题感。政治层面则类似埃尔隆德父子常年所为：四处游说争取盟友，而索伦的使者也在诱劝矮人'加入我们你会更富有，何必跟穷酸的精灵为伍？你们本来就不喜欢他们'。

There's not a lot of open warfare because there's stuff off sort of age that's going on in Middle Earth Wilder the Rings is ongoing. I'm getting too deep into that, shut up geek! And then the third day they start to move and the battle starts to happen, so that feels thematic. It's got the political aspects and that's kind of like what Elrond was doing all the time and his sons. They were going out and you're trying to gather and Sauron's messengers are trying to persuade the dwarves, be on my side you'll be richer rather go with the poor elves, you don't like them anyway.

所有这些动态都被完美呈现。此外还有间谍行动——要么护送魔戒前往末日火山，要么试图抓捕弗罗多和山姆。失败时你会恍然大悟：'我在那条战线过于冒进'或'我在那方面过度投入'。也可能你全力投入战斗时心想'他们绝对送不到魔戒'，结果转眼间两张魔戒牌打出——他们成功了。正是这些时刻让主题真正鲜活起来。

And all that is going on that feels that's going on. And then you've espionage get or the ring to Mount Doom or try and capture Phono and Sam. And if you lose, you can look and see I pushed my luck too far that way, I overcommitted that way. Know you can also I overcommitted to the fight and I pushed Mike and was like nah they'll never get the ring there and then lo and behold bang bang two ring cards and they've made it. And that's where the theme comes through to me.

这不是技术层面的问题，而是一种感觉。

It's not lines of tech, it's a feeling.

酷，所以我强烈感觉到你喜欢这款游戏，那么我的核心问题是：它是否取代了你心中的《七大奇迹：对决》？

Cool, so I'm getting a strong feeling that you like this game and I suppose my big question is does it replace seven Wonders Duel for you?

这很难说，因为我有《七大奇迹：对决》的扩展包，它们提供了机制更复杂的体验。如果说是坐下来玩半小时的话，每次我都会选《中土对决》。游戏氛围营造得非常好——当你扮演自由民时会感到压迫感，扮演索伦方又会陷入偏执。在这个时长里它堪称完美，不过我也确实是它的目标受众。

That's tricky because I've got the expansions of seven Wonders Duel and they provide a more mechanically intricate experience. If you're talking about sit down and play for half an hour, it's going to be Duel for Middle Earth every single time. I sit within that area where there's this constant threat going on whereby if you're playing as the free folk, you're feeling oppressed. If you're playing as a sore and you're feeling paranoid. And it just is such a good game for that time span, but I am the target audience.

《七大奇迹：对决》经过扩展后机制更复杂，而这款游戏反而做了减法。它们很相似，这些差异可能只有我这种深度玩家才能察觉。所以我的推荐角度可能比较特殊——但我确实爱死它了。

Seven-one 100 is Joule is almost involved in something that's more going on and we know it so well that they almost sit in different areas because the expansions for Joule push them into mechanically more intricate and this strips it out a bit. So they're very similar. This is probably like fine details of someone who's played dual as much as I have and likes all the rings much as I have. So I'm sitting in a weird place to be a general recommendation. I love it.

如果两款你都没玩过，我可能会推荐先入手这个。

If you didn't have either, I'd probably get this one.

明白。对了兄弟，要总结下最终评价吗？顺便说下，我已经打好分了（虽然之前没告诉你）。

Cool. Right. Yes, mate. Do you wanna sum up your final thoughts? And I haven't told you this, but I've done scores for mine.

我的最终评价是：惊艳！让我快速浏览下...分数肯定会很高。原本没预料到它能做得这么出色——我打92分。

Brilliant would be my final thought on it. Let me just quickly scurry through and have a look. What I might score is gonna be high. I wasn't so confident this was gonna be as amazing a job as it's been, and it's gonna be 92.

哦，这规模可不小。非常好。我要介绍的第一款游戏是《银河邮差》，由Hidari Spiela出品，David Rimbach和Kai Stark设计。顾名思义，《银河邮差》就是扮演一名在太空中投递信件包裹的邮差。

Oh, that is big. Very good. First game I'm gonna bring to you is Galaxy Postman coming from Hidari Spiela and designed by David Rimbach and Kai Stark. So Galaxy Postman pretty much is what it says. It's a you're a postman who are delivering letters and packages.

你还兼职太空出租车司机，因为要接送外星人到目的地。这是款探索类游戏，你要探索银河系，穿越各种复杂地形，想办法抵达目标地点。通过骰子分配机制实现行动——掷出的骰子决定移动方式，你可以操控骰子，每个点数对应不同功能。这就是游戏的核心玩法。

You're also a bit of a taxi driver because you are picking up aliens and taking them where they want to go. And it's a exploration game, you're exploring the galaxy, there's lots of different difficult terrain, you're going to have to negotiate and ways and means of getting to where you want to be. And you do that by dice allocation. Your moves are allocated by the dice that you roll, and you can manipulate your dice and each number can do different things for you essentially. So that's that's what it is at its heart.

我的第一印象是喜欢这种接送类游戏。吸引我的点在于——市面上有很多平庸的接送游戏，而我渴望更有深度的玩法。关键在于需要克服的障碍，以及不同类型的递送任务：无论是运送外星人还是包裹，都有独特机制。再加上骰子分配系统，通过升级玩家面板来提升行动效率，解锁更多操作可能。正是这些元素吸引了我，Ron。

So first thought for me is that I like a pick up and deliver game. The thing that drew me to it because there are a lot of bog standard pickup and deliver games and I just felt like I wanted something a little bit more, it is the hurdles that you have to overcome And also the different types of package that you have to deliver, whether it's the alien taking them to where they need to be, whether it's getting a parcel, you have to do slightly different things. And then on top of that is the dice allocation, having to work with your dice and you can upgrade your player board as well to make what you can do more effective and to be able to do more more things on your board. So that's what drew me in, Ron.

明白了。那什么让你觉得不满意呢？

Okay. What drew you out?

随机性太强。某些板块规定只有黄色或红色玩家才能向特定地点送货。如果我作为黄色玩家却抽到蓝绿黄板块，会非常沮丧——看着其他玩家顺利送货，而我却要不断帮他们翻开送货点。

It's very random, so there are certain tiles that would allow you as the yellow player or the red player to deliver to your parcel location. So it'll come up. This is only you can only go there if you're a red player. If I'm the yellow player and I draw blue, green, yellow tiles, it starts to get a bit frustrating because, oh, they look they're all getting to where they wanna be. And I'm revealing their stuff for them so they can just merry little pop along, deliver their parcels.

我只能继续探索（这不得分）。虽然可以通过开发面板上的虫洞系统来缓解这个问题，不完全依赖随机出现的板块。但运气因素确实存在，可能因为倒霉就直接输掉游戏。

And I'm having to keep exploring, which is not scoring points. There are ways around that in that there are wormholes in develop your board to be able to place your own wormholes out. So you're not wholly reliant on wormholes or playing on appearing on the tiles. But there is that luck factor, and you can lose a game just by having a bit of bad luck.

这也是多数差评的焦点。虽然好评很多——比如你提到的美术风格、任务定制化等创新设计。但关于游戏时长带来的挫败感，有些玩家反映强烈。你当时感受到的挫败程度如何？

And that's what the majority of negative comments about the game. Well there's plenty of positive ones about the look of the and the stuff you talked about, the customization and the picking that were being more interesting and just basic. But luck factor came up again and again but in the comments that are there. For the length of the game, it is frustrating to some people. So, you know, what level of frustration was that building for you?

负面程度是否足以破坏整个体验？

Was it negative enough that it soured the experience?

不，并没有。对我来说没那么糟糕。游戏中有点小挫折。初次体验后，我算是带着清醒认知进入后续游戏的。

No. It wasn't. It wasn't that negative for me. A little bit frustrating in game. I think after my first play of this, I kind of went into the next experience eyes open.

知道吗？这其实挺有趣的。我会尽力发展我的版图，而你也会做出反应。所以

You know what? This is a bit of fun. I'm gonna try and develop my board as best I can. I'm gonna try and you're you're reacting. So

但这要持续多久？比如你投入游戏时，就给我点刺激感就行。

But how long is it for that? For like, you're going in going, just give me a bit of crack.

双人局约一小时。四人局大概一个半小时。所以

A two player game is about an hour. I'd say a four player game would probably be an hour and a half. So it's

不错啊。因为评论区说实际耗时更长。评论

nice. Because the the comments are saying it's longer than that. The comment

对，对。除非你真要在每个回合都纠结半天。按我们常规节奏玩的话——我们不算最快也不算最慢——就能顺利推进并达成

Yeah. Yeah. It's only if you really sort of belabor it every every turn. I think if you play at the speed we tend to play at, which is we're not we're not the fastest player, we're not the slowest, then you can crack on and you can get

不。这世上只有两个人不会觉得这话有问题。

No. There's only two people in the world for whom that wouldn't ring true.

继续。

Go on.

你会问我实际最快或实际最慢的情况。

You'd ask me the actual fastest or the actual slowest.

确实确实，对对对，明白了明白了。所以我们处于中间状态。

True true yeah yeah right yeah point taken point taken. So we're in the middle somewhere.

干得好干得好，不错。

Well done well done good.

是的，就我个人口味而言，它并没有让人感到厌烦。虽然有时会受挫，但总体上你只需坚持前进，就能把事情处理好。

Yeah for my my taste it wasn't it didn't overstay its welcome. There are moments of frustration but generally you just keep you keep plodding along and you can you can get your things sorted.

关于那种纯粹乐趣的感觉，PGG上有不少尖锐评论，说他们试图通过流行文化引用和卡片上的俏皮话来增添趣味，结果却糟糕透顶。所以你读过那些评论吗？

In terms of that feeling of it just being fun, there's quite some scathing comments on PGG about the fact they've tried to inject fun with pop reference and jokey comments on the cards and that they're absolutely awful. So did you even read them?

所以当你投递信件或接载外星人时，尽管所有外星人的图案基本一致，他们可能穿着略有不同的服装，还会出现类似《星际迷航》的梗。比如会有类似a n one k one n Skywalker这样的角色，这类元素就是你任务的一部分。

So when you deliver a letter or when you pick up an alien, even though all the aliens are pretty much the same picture on them, they might be wearing slightly different clothes and they'll be, like, a Star Trek mention. They'll be, like, a a n one k one n Skywalker sort of thing, that kind of thing as as what what you do.

我真的、真的需要好好琢磨这个

I really, really had to work that out for

片刻。确实存在这类内容。这算不上多有创意，非常直白，但是，没错，

a second. So there is stuff like that. It's it's not very creative, it's very on the on the nose, but, yeah,

我认为，

I think,

听着，这并不...我不觉得值得为此写篇尖刻的评论。

listen, it's it's not I don't think it's worth a scathing review on.

他们对这条评论并不满意。我知道那个造型吸引了你，而且存在各种不同观点，但那个造型没吸引到我。我不至于说它像呕吐物般令人反胃。这很尼尔风格。你确实被整体视觉效果吸引了。

They weren't happy with the comment. I know that the look drew you in and there have been different things either way and the look didn't draw me in. I'm not gonna go as far as squat vomit inducing. It's very Neil. You were drawn in by the look overall.

这番折腾值得上银幕吗？还是说这只是个噱头？

Was the juice worth the screen? Is it more than just a gimmick?

这不仅仅是个噱头。它比我预期的更有趣。我原以为会是个真正需要战术或策略的游戏体验，那正是我所期待的。但实际得到的却是一款可以手握啤酒、轻松欢笑的休闲游戏，没人会太在意棋盘上发生了什么。

It's more than just a gimmick. It's more of a fun experience than I was expecting. I thought it was going to be a real tactical or strategic experience. And I think that's what I was looking for. What I got was a quite fun sit down pint in your hand game, where you can have a laugh and a joke, no one's really that fussed about what's happening on the board.

我觉得我需要调整自己的预期。总结来说，这不是我想要的游戏，但却获得了不同的体验。因此，我给它打70分。

And I think I've had to adapt my thinking. So it's to recap, it wasn't the game I wanted, but I got a different experience. So for that, I'm gonna give it a 70.

这分数相当高了。

That's quite high.

确实偏高。我今天这期节目里特别积极，感觉...

It was quite high. I'm I'm being quite positive in this episode today. I feel

你可能有买家效应，懂我意思吧？我觉得回顾那段...

like you might have buyers, you know, I think look back in that go

如果有人感兴趣的话。

If anybody is interested.

对你来说。我从没玩过，只是替你评价下。挺好的。

For you. I've never played it. I'm just judging for you. It's fine.

如果有人感兴趣的话，他们即将启动第二版，因为这款游戏在埃森已经售罄，很多人卖掉了

If anybody is interested, they are about to kick start the second edition of this because it's sold out at Essen and a lot of people sold

卖光了他们所有的60份库存。

sold all 60 copies they had.

没人

No one's

玩过它。我不知道他们怎么卖光的。根本没人玩过这游戏。他们在编造。对吧。

played it. I don't know how they sold out. No one has played this game. They're making it up. Right.

那是《银河邮差》。这款游戏售罄了，很多人买了它。他们确实没带太多库存来。你前几天晚上玩过，是Salt Fjord的Christian Amerson Osborn和Eilif Swenson设计的。它是对《圣玛利亚》的中期重制版，在我的2023年十佳榜单里，我不得不考虑——总不能全塞着重制游戏吧？

That was Galaxy Postman. This was sold out and a lot of people bought this. This was a real they didn't bring loads. And you played it the other night and it's salt fjord Christian Amerson Osborn, Eilif Swenson. It reimplements Santa Maria as dual for midlife through reimplementation and in my top 10 of 2023 I had to be like I can't put in all these reimplementations okay?

我收录了一个重制版——我想就一个吧，但重制游戏越来越多，还有很多改编和仿制作品。关键就在于主题对吧？《圣玛利亚》的主题有争议，殖民主义的内容太过直白，导致很多人不愿玩。

I've got one which is sort of I think it's only one but reimplementations are coming through and there's a lot of adaptations and copies of games and this was all about the theming right? Santa Maria had a controversial theme and it was preventing people from playing it because it was quite one toned about colonization, colonialism.

是的，你知道它在殖民主题上有点过于露骨，如果我能这么说的话。我确实玩过《圣玛利亚》，先说结论——目前《灵魂峡湾》的改动和改进很受欢迎。

Yes, you know it was a bit on the nose with the colonization, if I could say that word. Did play Santa Maria and I'll say off the bat the changes and improvements are well received on Soul Fjord so far.

好吧好吧，看来圣玛利亚确实挺糟糕的。这是个骰子选放游戏，根据轮次你会拿到四、五或六个骰子。它们按颜色固定在行列网格上。轮到你时，你可以建造建筑来升级你的小网格——应该是个挪威小渔村，或者从池子里分配骰子，然后沿着列往下走或横穿行，激活沿途所有建筑。有时能获得资源。

Okay, okay, Santa Maria must have been pretty bad then. It's a dice drafter and depending on the round you get four, five, six dice. They are fixed by colours going columns and rows. On your turn you can either build a building to improve your little grid, must be a fishing village in Norway, or you can allocate a dice from a pool and you're gonna go run down the column or go across the row and you're gonna activate all the buildings that are in there. Sometimes you get your resources.

游戏里有资源和这种资源树系统，它们能让你执行行动。可做的行动包括：有个捕鱼轨道，你可以把船推出去或召回，抽取能得分和获得基础资源鱼类的标记。可能建造小型建筑，升级资源。你能得到基础鱼类，通过升级行动将其转化为小麦或木材来建造建筑。

There are resources and this kind of resource tree in the game, or they're gonna let you do actions. And the actions you can do is there's like a fishing track. You can push your boat out or you can recall it and you're drawing tokens that will give you points and they'll give you fish, which is the basic resource. You might be able to build a tiny little building, might be able to upgrade resources. You can get fish but they're basic, you get upgrade actions, you turn that fish into like wheat or wood to help you build buildings.

还有其他操作比如交易。这些升级后的资源对应着若干货箱，总有四个可供兑换，交出货箱能在游戏结束时计分，但每轮结束也会给你免费行动。游戏只有三轮，但交易越多，结束时就能获得免费捕鱼机会和增益，兑换更多分数。通过交易能为自己打造小型引擎。另一项是科技系统，能升级我刚说的所有内容。

There's other things you do, you can trade. So these resources you've upgraded them, there's a bunch of crates, there's always four available, you can hand them in, they're gonna score you points at the end of the game, but they will also give you free actions at the end of a round. There are only three rounds in the game, but at the end the more trading you've done you're gonna get kind of free fishing, you're gonna get some boost, you'll be able to trade things in for more points. So you can kind of create a little engine for yourself sort of via this trading. And the other thing you do is get technology allows you to improve everything that I've just talked about.

比如捕鱼系统有三叠板块，但初始只能接触第一叠，随着捕鱼科技树提升才能解锁更多，或抽二选一。获取方式多样——有个真正有趣的设计是游戏有八种独特能力。开局获得一个，另有可选池，达到某领域顶端（只需三步）就能获得第二能力。肖恩，没有这些能力我肯定会卡关。善用特殊能力并争取第二能力（如果值得）能让你突破行列限制，任意方向升级资源，改变玩法。

So for example for the fishing, there are three stacks of tiles, but you only have access to the first one until you go up the fishing tech tree, and then you get access to more of them or you can draw two and keep one. And there's various ways you can get one of the actually really interesting thing is, I do have to say about this, is that there are eight unique powers in the game. You get one at the beginning and then there are a pool of them available and if you get to top of a certain territory it doesn't take much I think it's three steps to get to the top. But you get just to a second ability and those abilities Sean, without them I'd have been really stuck in this game and just like okay. The exploitation of the special abilities and the getting the second one if you can, if you decide to do, if you think they're worth it, because they allow you to not be stuck on the columns of row system or to be able to upgrade resources to in any direction and they give you a different way of playing.

没有这些能力的话，我可能玩完萨尔菲尔德一次就弃了。

Without them I think I generally would have been one and done with Salfield.

真的？好吧。我对这游戏完全没有负面看法，但你说得对，这些能力确实是游戏破局点。它们会引导你的玩法方向，必须充分利用初始能力，后期可能再获取一个。

Really? Okay. I don't think I'm well I'm not negative at all on the game, But you're absolutely right in that they they are such game breakers. They do make your sort of you tailor your gameplay in in a certain way. You you do have to make absolute use of what the power that you've been assigned and maybe go for another one later on in the game.

没错，我确实这么做了，在我们目前唯一一局里就这么玩的。如果你喜欢，这是个不错的正确方向指引。

But, yeah, I certainly did it, and I certainly did it in our one place so far. And it's a nice point in the right direction if you like.

这是一个小小的暗示和眨眼，我发现在这个游戏中，一个小小的暗示和眨眼就足以让人占据优势。我确实发现的一点是——这源于我自己糟糕的表现，所以我不能完全归咎于索尔特菲尔德——但确实有几次我们在绕圈时，我环顾四周后意识到：我现在落后了，完蛋了，没机会了，一点机会都没有。因为有人很好地利用了那个能力，一开始就迅速建立优势。通常如果他们能快速建造的话。所以如果你能在开局时以任何方式获取木材，然后迅速建起几栋建筑，形成一行或一列，效果会非常好。就像我说的，这游戏只有三小时，转瞬即逝，但它是那种一旦势头起来就势不可挡的游戏。

It's a little nudge and a wink and I find that in this game a little nudge and a wink is enough to give someone an edge. One of the things I do find is and this has been through my own poor play so I can't blame Saltfield for it necessarily, but definitely I've been at a point where we're rounding and I've looked around and gone now I'm behind here, I'm done, no chance, no chance. Because someone has used that power well, started off and generally it's if they've been able to build quickly. So if you get any way in which you can get wood at the beginning and you could bang bang, get a couple of buildings down, get a row or column works very well. It's one of those games in the like I say it's only three hours it's gone forever, but it's one of those games in which once that wheel is rolling you really start rolling.

我想快速回到能力平衡性的问题，我认为它们并不是最平衡的。前几天我用的那个能力是只需要支付一条鱼就能把骰子面转到任意方向。

I will say just going back to the powers quickly, I don't think they're the most balanced. I think the one that I had the other day was the one where you only have to pay one fish to turn your die face to anything.

哦，是啊，你这简直不是在玩游戏了。

Oh, yeah, you're not playing the game.

你这根本不算在玩游戏。所以我当时可以，没错，我能随心所欲地激活任何行或列。娜特的能力是可以将低价值货物升级成任何东西，她不需要遵循那种‘哦，但是’的规则。

You're not you're not playing the game. So I was able to, yeah. I can activate any row or column that I want effectively. Nat had the one where she could upgrade her her lower value goods into anything. She didn't have to follow the the sort Oh, of but

如果你进行交易的话，那可能会很方便

that could be handy if you trade

可能很方便。确实方便。挺好的，但不是一条鱼换一整天那么夸张。

It could be handy. It's handy. It's good, but it's not one fish for a day.

但我觉得这是双人局的特点，因为你们的骰子池小得多。我们双人局用这个能力时感觉很强，但四人局再用时就发现：没那么好了。每个数字都算数。

But I'd say that's a two player thing because you've got a much smaller dice pool. Because we played at two player, had that and was like, Then we played it four player and it was like: not so good. It's every number.

是啊，因为你显然会

Yeah you're because obviously you're gonna

在四人游戏中拥有更多优势。我告诉你一个很酷的机制：当你激活一行或一列时，最后一个被激活的建筑会保留骰子无法再次激活。有个功能可以清除它们对吧？

have more In four player, I'll tell you what was quite cool. So this is like the most exciting thing is so when you activate a row or a column, you leave the last building you activate, you don't have go all way down, you leave the die in it and it can't be activated. There's one where you can clear them off?

没错。

That's right yeah.

其实游戏结束时我发现——他们确实会得到其中一个，这正是我喜欢的设计。但我不喜欢任何会破坏核心机制和决策紧凑感的技能，这是我一贯的原则。看到那个技能时我就觉得反感。

And then you know actually I got to the end of the game I'm like was it cool because they actually get one of these So that's what I like about them. The one where you're playing. I don't like any power in the game where it removes the core mechanism and the core tightness of a decision. And that's just a general thing for me. As soon as I saw that power I was like, I don't like that.

关于技能平衡性，我们采用逆序轮选机制来缓解先手优势——虽然我先选行动但最后拿骰子。至少给了些补偿。比如《Sparks》这款引擎构筑游戏：首动玩家拿四个骰子启动引擎，后续每轮都能获得更有用的骰子。

The one thing we're about the power has been feeling slightly unbalanced is that you do do a drafting reverse player order which mitigate the fact that I get first choice but I'm gonna go last because you're getting last choice of the dice. So at least it offers you something. I'm not going to review it Sparks from Essen. We played that the other day and it's an engine builder and you draft dice and it's your turn you get loads of dice and everyone else gets one of ones that's left. So if I'm first player, get like four dice start my engine off, every dice I get from now on is more useful.

第四位玩家要等三轮才能拿到大量骰子启动引擎，完全没有轮次补偿机制。

The fourth player has to wait three turns to get their big load and start their engine. There's no mitigation for turn.

虽然我通常不同意你对先手优势的观点，但这个设计听起来确实不太公平。

I'm at odds with you with your first player stuff but I think that one sounds a bit naughty.

你知道《火花》是什么吗？

Do you know what Sparks?

对你来说已经死了。

Dead to you.

我的第一款桌游设计。很高兴你接触过它，你之前玩过类似游戏，广告里那种。不，那游戏获得的评价从未超出预期。盐峡湾，我只想到维克西斯是游戏里的另一枚骰子。盐峡湾，我玩过它，享受过它，然后感觉就像在反复玩同一个游戏。

My first board game design. Great you've got things, you've played games before it, ad. No, that's never get reviewed more than that. Salt Fjord, I only thought of Vixis another dice on the game. Salt Fjord, I played it, I enjoyed it, and then I felt like I played the same game and the same game and the same game.

那些能力是唯一让我觉得‘哦不错，这有点不同，很棒这有点变化’的东西。如今我见识过太多类似设计，感觉没什么能让我重回盐峡湾了。它像是个完美的桌游咖啡馆游戏。去玩吧，你会乐在其中。

And the powers were the only thing that I was like oh great this is little bit different, great this is a little bit different. And now I've seen a lot of them. I'm like there's nothing gonna bring me back to Sotfield. It feels like a perfect Games Cafe game. Go and play it, you'll have good fun.

半年后再玩一次——因为规则很简单你不会忘记，会很有趣。但若要它成为我架上反复游玩的藏品，它达不到那个标准。

Play it again six months later because you won't forget the rules because it's all quite simple, It will have great fun, but to have it on my shelf to play again and again, it didn't hit that standard.

显然我刚开始这段旅程，所以还不确定后续是否会有让我反复游玩的可能。我们要和马修玩

I'm obviously at the beginning of that journey, so I'm yet to discover if there's there's subsequent plays in it for me. We are gonna play Matthew

我刚告诉过你。没有。对。

I just told you. There isn't. Yeah.

我真的哦，谢谢。谢谢你的好意。我干脆把它烧了算了，好吗？马修非常想玩这个。所以等他来了，我们肯定会玩三人局，看看那样会有什么不同。

I really oh, thanks. Thanks for that. I'll just go burn it, shall I? Matthew is desperate to play it. So when he comes around, we're definitely gonna play a three player, so we'll see how that changes it up.

但正如我所说，这绝对是一次性体验。根本不是一次性的，因为我们还会再玩。那是那是转错弯了。你已经你已经撞到你已经撞到路灯了。

But for and this is, as I said, an absolute one one and done. Not one and done at all because we'll play it again. That's that's the wrong turn. You've you've hit you've hit the lights.

一次搞定。相信我。

One and done. Trust me.

所以作为一次性体验，我目前会给它打78分。我们真的很享受。我们喜欢各自选择不同路线这一点。娜特非常专注于送货赚取额外回合，而我疯狂沉迷钓鱼，最后比分非常接近，我们都玩得很开心，但后续多次游玩后如何还得再看看。

So I for a one off, I'm gonna I would give it a 78 so far. We really enjoyed it. We liked the fact that we both went different directions. Nat was very much trying to deliver and get those extra turns. I went mad for the fishing, and it was a really close game where we both really enjoyed it but we'll see how it goes as I play on.

我还没准备好打分 精神上还没准备好 我草草写了个68分。现在说到肖恩和埃森展，

I'm not ready for scores I'm not spiritually ready I've scratched down a 68. Now Sean, with Essen,

我们确实去了。

we did.

我想我们可以边走边聊些埃森展的见闻，不过DLP展台那边...

I think we'll just sprinkle some Essen observations as we go, but the DLP booth.

大量的空间和他们出色的进出系统，对吧？

Are loads of space and their wonderful system getting in and out yeah?

就像忍者勇士一样试图挤进去。他们在3号厅有个展位，那可是最热闹的埃森展区，想看清规则或试玩游戏简直难如登天，更别提实际体验游戏了。

It was like Ninja Warrior trying to get They had a booth, was in Hall 3 which was the busy listen this was a busy Essen, Like trying to get rules and or trying to see a game or forget trying to get gameplay anyway.

全都售罄了。太离谱了。

It was sold out. It was sold out. It was ridiculous.

3号厅是热闹中的热闹，因为热门展商都在那儿。DLP也在，他们设了个展位，右侧摆着三四张试玩桌，游戏之间的过道——我不想夸张——大概就五英寸宽。还有个家伙站在约五英寸半的过道挡着路，收银台就在两堆游戏后面。本应是单行道对吧？但你得硬挤过游戏堆才能到唯一的收银员那儿。

It was Hall 3 was the busiest of the busy because it had a lot of the hotness in there. DLP were in there, they had a bunch of games but they had this booth where there was like three or four demo tables on the right hand side. A gap about I'm gonna say I don't want to exaggerate five inches wide for the games. Another guy up about five and a half inches wide by the games with the dude standing in the way and the till was behind the two piles of games and it was supposed to be a one way system right? But one time you slammed your way through the piles of games to get to the actual one person serving at the till.

最忙的展馆就一个收银员，还慢悠悠的。他们简直不想要钱似的。出来后直接撞进试玩区，不同游戏在演示。那些玩后排游戏的人就站着围观，我不怪他们——毕竟要考虑是否花五六十欧买游戏。

One person in the busiest hall that like it was in no hurry. They just don't want money it's fine. Then you had to come out and you were walking straight into the demo table area and like there was demoing different games. So the people who went to the game that was at the back were just standing there watching the game and I don't blame them. They're thinking about whether I'm gonna spend 50 or €60 on a game.

他们想看演示很正常。但结果呢？我后面的人堵着去不了收银台，完全印证了我之前的描述。朱迪周三晚上看到这场景就说：'这布置绝了'。

They want to see it. I understand. No no no I can't go anywhere. So guess what? Shore behind me can't get to the till and the person behind and it is just exactly what I said to you and it's the first thing that Judy said to us was on Wednesday night someone stood there looked at that setup and went nailed it.

我得说，我们确实挤到收银台了，至少我成功了。所以五英寸可能不太准确，除非我把所有东西都撞飞了。

I will say, we we did actually manage to get to the tiller, at least I did. So I think five inches probably isn't quite correct if I managed to get to it unless I'd sent everything flying.

公平地说，我不擅长逐一衡量这些。总之我尽力了，我买了《马拉开波的海盗》，因为我无法理解为何英国开始在某些游戏中掉队了，不是吗？因为它们在欧洲发行，然后英语版本被交给美国，之后由于增值税等问题，他们就不管了。比如《鲍里斯·马里科帕》，我在这儿根本买不到。不过我还是在那儿买到了。

In fairness I'm not good at measuring it each. Anyway I did as well I bought Pirates of Maracaibo because I couldn't one of those that The UK is starting to fall through the gap in a few of these games isn't it? Because they're out in Europe then the English language is getting given to America and then they can't be asked because of all the VAT stuff or whatever. Think Boris Maricopa I couldn't get it here anyway. But anyway I got it there.

但你在DLP展台买的，所以我才提起这事。

But you bought in the DLP booth hence me bringing it up.

是的。

I did.

《亚特兰蒂斯：出埃及记》。

Atlantis Exodus.

我确实买了《亚特兰蒂斯：出埃及记》，正如雷诺所说，这是DLP游戏公司出品，由乔治·哈尔基亚斯和康斯坦丁诺斯·卡拉贾尼斯设计。游戏主题是，你作为亚特兰蒂斯的领袖或国王，预知大沉没——那场巨大的洪水即将来临，亚特兰蒂斯将在几年内沉没。你要尽力抢救亚特兰蒂斯的历史文献，当然还有人民。同时你也要尽可能挽救更多的文化。

I did buy Atlantis Exodus as Renaud said it's from DLP games designed by George Halkias and Konstantinos Caragianis. The theme of this game is that you're a leader or a king of Atlantis and you know that the big sinking, the big massive flood is coming and Atlantis will be sinking in a few years And you are going to try and get all the history of Atlantis out as well as the people obviously. And you're going to try and save as much of the culture as possible.

人民似乎像是事后才想到的。

The people did seem like an afterthought.

确实感觉像是事后补充的。老兄，设计者优先考虑的是文化。你利用人民来拯救文化，其实并不真正关心他们。从一开始我就觉得，这游戏设计得有点失败。

That did seem like an afterthought. Was really thinking of the culture first was mate. But you're using the people to get the culture out. You don't really care about them. I say from the start, it feels like a failed game.

到处都是得分点。四面八方都有分数向你涌来。而放置你的工人，其实不是真正的工作安置，更像是工人移动规划，你在规划工人的移动路线。所以你进入游戏时会看到这个大圆环。

It is point salad everywhere. There's points coming at you from all directions. And to do you place your worker, it's not really a work placement. It's more of a worker movement, you're planning the movement of your workers. So you enter you've got this big circular.

是不是因为...等等，我想确认下，这是个轮盘机制吗？

Is it is it because there's one thing I Yeah. Wanna Is it a rondel?

不，不是轮盘。这是个可移动可编程的轨道系统。

No. It's not a rondel. It's a movable programmable track.

哇，这个设计真吸引人。

Wow. That's catchy.

就是这样。你开局只有一个工人，要从圆环边缘开始行动。圆环有三层结构，每层都对应不同行动选项。你在规划工人的移动路径时，可以稍微调整方向——如果存在空隙的话，因为某些区域会被墙壁阻隔，而有些区域可供通行。

There you go. So you're going to go in with your one, you've got your one worker, and you're going to go in with that one worker at the edge of the circle, and there's three layers of the circle. And each one of those will have an action. And you're moving on to your action so you're programming where they can move. Now you can pivot slightly and move left or right from where you are if there's a gap because some of the areas will be walled off and some of them will be available to you.

通常你会有两个行动选择。这些行动都关于获取资源到手牌、获得建筑卡——不同建筑功能各异。有些直接参与游戏计分，有些是工坊类建筑，能提供略微打破常规的特殊能力。同时你还会收集不同颜色的工人，三种颜色代表三类职业：工匠、科学家和类似神职人员的宗教人士，这些工人都能通过编程执行更高级的行动。

So you've usually got a choice of two actions. And those actions are all about getting resources into your hands, getting cards into your hand, getting buildings and the buildings will do something different. Some of them were in the game scoring, some of them are workshops, which will give you like a power that breaks the game slightly. The same time, you're also picking up the different colored workers. And each of the different color, the three different colored workers, and they all represent a different type of worker, there's craftsmen, there's scientists, and there are, there are there are like religious people, and they all can be programmed to do better actions as they go.

他们不是一次性能力。对，目前游戏机制就是这样设计的。

They're not just one off power. So yeah, that's where we are with it.

好的，然后你看到这个核心机制，你在升级工人，有工人放置、移动、生产这些环节。

Okay, and then you so it's point sanity, you're upgrading workers, you've got this worker placement, movement, production.

那张卡牌的吸睛名字。

That catchy name of the card.

这些元素能有机结合吗？

Does it tie together?

噢当然，完全没问题。

Oh yeah, absolutely.

看啊他很喜欢这个设计。

Oh he likes it.

喜欢得都坐直了。

Likes it. He sat

他身体前倾了是吧？

forward there, is he?

哦，是的。哦，他非常喜欢。这里面有很多内容

Oh yeah. Oh he likes it a lot. There's there's so much

看起来像是送货时间到了。

You look like it was delivery delivery time.

确实如此。哇哦。看看你的表情。虽然有很多事情在进行，但并不让人感到压力。我认为在游戏中设计许多选择，或者至少是看似很多的选择，但又不至于让人时刻思考而感到不堪重负，是非常聪明的做法。

It did. Woo hoo. Look on your face. There's a lot going on, but it's not overwhelming. And I I think that is a very clever thing to get into a game is have lots of choices, or at least the illusion of lots of choices, but not have it be overwhelming where you're just thinking all the time.

我觉得Lacerda倾向于做这类事情。一开始是一个非常简单选择，然后它会像瀑布一样层层递进影响其他方面。所以你会提前思考，超越你当下的情绪去考虑

I think Lacerda tends to do that kind of thing. It's a very simple choice to start with, and then it cascades and cascades into into other things. So you are thinking ahead, you are thinking beyond your mood based

你是在把它和Lacerda的游戏作比较吗？因为10%的听众欢呼了，80%表示不认同。

on the are you comparing it to a Lacerda game? Because 10% listeners went woo hoo and 80% went nah.

不，我没有比较。它没有Lacerda游戏那么深奥。就像Stefan Feld借鉴了Lacerda的做法——你采取的初始行动可能会引发连锁反应，无论是通过游戏机制得分、将元素加入你的版图，还是收集资源，这些虽不算极其复杂，但确实实现了这种效果。

No, I'm not comparing it. It's not as deep as a Lacerda game. It's Stefan Feld does Lacerda in terms of the opening action you're taking can cascade into into other things, whether a point scoring with a game things into your tableau, whether it's gathering resources, they're not massively deep but it does do that.

Stefan Feld借鉴了Lacerda的风格。

Stefan Feld does Lacerda.

给你。

There you go.

嗯，小众市场。有人抱怨生产问题，比如颜色过于相似，组件太小且难以操作，尤其在光线不佳的情况下。

Well niche market. There's some complaint of production issues with regards to colors being too similar and components just being too small and fiddly and especially in not great light.

我得回去再看看。我们玩的时候没发现什么明显问题。米宝确实很小，但我手大如铲，拿取毫无困难。所以我不这么认为。不过游戏设置确实繁琐。

I'd have to go back and have a look. There was nothing that sort of sprung out in terms of when we were playing it. The meeples are quite small, but I've got massive shovel hands and I didn't have any problems getting them. So I don't think so. There's a lot of setup to the game.

不得不说卡片和板块数量庞大。每回合都要清空主图板重新布局。从这个角度看，不断重设图板确实麻烦。但颜色辨识方面我没遇到问题——当然我没有色盲症，所以不好说。

I will say that there's a lot of cards and a lot of tiles. And every round you have to wipe the main board clean and lay out fresh stuff again. So in that way, it's quite fiddly that you're constantly having to set up the board. But in terms of color problems, I didn't have any, but then I don't have color blindness. So I don't know.

好吧，

Okay,

回答得好。现在没人...这是在埃森展时，肖恩和我基本塞满了行李袋，正考虑再各买一款欧式游戏。我逛了很多《出埃及记》摊位但没出手，你买了《亚洲之虎》——我还没试玩。但当时觉得它主题吸引人，DLP出版，应该会有点热度。

good answer. Now no one, this is when we're in Essen, Sean and I sort of mostly filled our bags, think that this is where we're thinking about buying one more euro each. And I was going about a lot of this exodus all and I hadn't pulled and you did and I bought Asian Tigers which I haven't played yet. But I was like, oh because it looks good, got a theme and DLP. I thought it would be a bit of buzz to it, a bit of a hit.

我以为这可能是人们会热议的黑马作品。BoardGameGeek上有179条游玩记录，其中18条来自同一个人，第二名才5条。他到底在和谁玩？不过我得忽略这些，因为他打分从不低于6分。

I thought I'd be like this might be one of ones people were talking about, a little sneaky one. There's 179 logged plays on BoardGameGeek and 18 of them are by one dude. The next is five. So who's he playing with? But I've got to write them off because he never rates a game below a six.

我对他们都做了点小调查。真吓人。没人玩这个游戏。目前它没有任何势头可言。告诉我们，《亚特兰蒂斯：出埃及记》是否应该获得更多关注？

I did a little bit of stalking off them all. Scary. No one's playing it. It hasn't got any sort of momentum at the moment. Tell us, should or should it not be getting more of spotlight on Atlantis Exodus?

是的。首先，市面上已经有不少亚特兰蒂斯主题的游戏了。DLP公司，我觉得他们很久没有大热作品了。这款看起来非常雷同，还是丹尼斯·洛汉岑那种美术风格。

Yeah. Firstly, I think there are quite a few Atlantis games out there. DLP, I don't think they've had a massive hit for a while. It looks kind of very same. It's that Dennis Lohanzen artwork.

它看起来和感觉上都像其他几款游戏。我觉得任何看过实体桌游的人——那个每回合会旋转变化的棋盘——可能会被吸引，但你必须亲眼看看实际玩法

It kind of it just looks and feels like a few other games. I think anyone who's seen it on the table with the rotating board, which changes up each round, how they're actually I think they might be drawn in, but you'd have to go and see it in action

需要超过23个人围观棋盘才能看清。

from the board over 23 people to see it.

挤过五英寸的缝隙，拼命给你送钱。但除此之外

Squeeze through a five inch gap and fight to pay you money. But, other than that

五英寸比你想象的要长得多。

It's longer than you think five inches.

这话可是你说的。我觉得这款绝对是瑰宝。从一开始就吸引了我，整个游戏过程毫不松懈，始终让我沉浸其中。

That's what you said. I think this one is an absolute gem. It grabbed me from the start. It never let up throughout the game. Always felt I was in the game.

我一直觉得自己在游戏中做出的真实选择会影响游戏进程，而且总有不同的事情需要考虑。我认为这是游戏的一大优点。我希望这款游戏能获得一些关注度，但我不认为它会，因为DLP在这个国家和美国，他们基本上把游戏发布出来就完事了。

I always felt I was making genuine choices that were affecting my gameplay. And there were always different things to think about. I think that's such a good thing in the game. And I hope this one gets a bit of momentum behind it. I don't think it will because DLP, they kind of certainly in this country and America, they they kind of put the games out there and then that's done.

他们有点像是...不，是Capstone。Capstone接手了DLP的游戏。

They're kind of No. It's capstone. Capstone takes DLP games.

哦，是吗？好吧，希望Capstone...

Oh, did they? Oh, okay. Well, hopefully cap Stone

我在胡说八道吗？那个什么...是午餐账单吗？

Am I talking rubbish? Is that somewhere is that four lunch bill?

我不知道，真不知道。但如果确实是Capstone接手，希望他们能动用一些媒体资源推广，希望它能引起一些反响。因为我认为这款游戏确实值得——它是款非常精巧、引人深思的欧式游戏，不仅因为版图变化，还因为它时刻提供不同的挑战。

I don't know. I don't know. But if the if it is Cap Stone, hopefully, they'll put a bit of their media machine behind it and see and hopefully, it'll get some some buzz because I think I generally think it deserves it is a very clever game. It's a really good euro thought provoking game that it proves it provides different challenges all the time, not just because the board moves.

非常棒，是的，Capstone确实擅长这类游戏。

Very good, yeah Capstone does do those games.

我要给《亚特兰蒂斯：出埃及记》打85分。

And I'm gonna give Atlantis Exodus an 85.

太棒了！所以现在我得给亚洲虎队打86分，这样我就赢了。在埃森这边，沿着保龄球馆走，这里几乎是3号展厅的正对面。一群人围在那里，到处都是小熊队的人，还有一群人看起来有点慌乱。我就想，这是怎么回事？

Marvelous! So now I have to give Asian Tigers an 86 so that I won. So in Essen, bowling along this is the almost the direct opposite side of Hall 3. There's a bunch of people gathered around and know there's Cubs people everywhere, there's a bunch of people looking a bit frantic. I'm like what's the crack here?

发生什么事了？那边有个像堡垒一样的东西，没有展位，只有个像《绿野仙踪》里奥兹国大门那样的舱口，你的经理就站在那里看着你想要什么。告诉我怎么回事？原来是弗里克游戏公司在发放《重塑火星》和《火星》的Kickstarter众筹奖励。

What's going on? Bowled over there is a what I can describe as a fortress there. There was no booth, there was like a hatch it was like the door to Oz where your manager just look at what you want. Tell me what's going on? Turns out it was Frick's games and they were delivering Kickstarter stuff from Terraform and Mars.

可以领取《里程碑》和《序幕2》之类的扩展包。我觉得《序幕》不错，它能快速启动游戏，二十分钟就能开始一局，我很喜欢这种有明确指引的设计。所以《序幕2》也行，我就拿这个吧。当时我站在那里等了一会儿——其实没有正式排队，只有混乱的争抢人群，我还得不断防止自己被挤出去。

It's a pick up milestones and Prelude two and whatever whatever whatever. And I was like okay cool I like Prelude. It kicks the game, know it takes twenty minutes the start of a game, I enjoy it, gives you direction. So Prelude two, fine I'll get that. As I'm standing there, because it took a bit of a while there wasn't a queue there was a scrum to get in and I'm trying to as I'm like trying also not to get pushed out constantly.

那里还有《王国传承：封建王朝》，一款单人传承游戏。

There was this Kingdom Legacy, Feudal Kingdom, a solo legacy game.

哦对。

Oh yeah.

我在想那个是什么。看起来是个能装两三副《万智牌》的卡牌收纳盒，大概就是那种尺寸？可能装两副吧，就是个标准牌盒大小对吧？

I wonder what that is. A card deck box but like maybe one that you could keep two or three decks in for Magic or something. So that's sort of size it is. Maybe two. It's just like a deck box size right?

老兄这个多少钱？他说15欧元左右。我想着反正不贵，试试看呗，又能有什么损失？

How much is it mate? And he's like €15 whatever it is. I'm like yeah why not? I'll give it a go. What have I got to lose?

你有什么可失去的

What have got to

15欧元？

lose? €15

我的自尊。所以当你打开它时，我必须说明规则，因为它极简到只印在一张小传单上。内容都在上面，但直到你玩过之前都很难理解。现在很多传统游戏给我的感觉就是这样，因为它们试图涵盖你未来能做的所有事情。因为你有一套基本卡牌，它们都像是农田或空无一物的山丘，一小片森林可以获取些木材，或许还有几个人在里面。你把它们洗混后抽四张查看。

my self respect. So you open it up, I have to say the rules because it's minimalist it's on a little leaflet. It's all there but until you've played it's quite hard to understand. Now that's a lot of legacy games I feel like because what they're trying to do is cover everything you can do going forward. Because you have a basic set of cards and they're all like farmland or some hills that have got nothing in them, bit of forest you can get a bit of wood out and maybe a couple of people in there, and you shuffle them up and draw four and you look at them.

大多数卡牌会有升级成本，有些则具备生产能力。比如可能有市场给你金币（我瞎编的），或者养蜂人给你金币，还有片森林写着'花费2金币可升级为更好森林'，或者你可以建造伐木小屋。森林给了你木材，在市场花费木材就能升级为集市。这些都是我编的例子。现在我面临两个选择：升级这个还是那个？

And most of them will have an upgrade cost on them and some of them will have production that they make. So you might have like a market that gives you gold, I'm making that up, and then maybe a person, a beekeeper that gives you gold, and then you've got a forest that says if you spend 2 gold this forest becomes a better forest or you might build a lumberjack cabin and you go or the forest has given you a wood and that market we spend a wood on it and now becomes a fair. These are all made up things. I've got two choices. Do I upgrade this or I do upgrade that?

还有执行不同功能的角色，以及建造后能持续生效的建筑——因为你会清空这些牌重新抽四张。你可以选择再抽两张、再两张...想抽多少都行，但每轮只能执行一个终局行动。除此之外可能还有些小行动可选，但终局行动只有一个。你会立刻开始根据牌组决定优先升级哪些。

And then there's people that do different things and then there's builders that you build that will stay out for you because you wipe all those and you draw four more cards. You can choose to draw two more two more, two more. You can draw as many as you like, but you'll only get one round ending action. There might be a couple of little actions you can do other than that, but it's one round ending action. You're like ah so immediately I'm making decisions on this deck as to what I'm gonna upgrade and what I'm gonna prioritize.

我发现由于规则试图涵盖所有可能性且表述模糊，这让我有些不安——毕竟最后要结算胜利分数。如果你耗尽牌组，坏事就会发生（可能应对也可能无法应对）。可能会遭遇袭击，这时就看是否培养了骑士；可能有罪犯入侵王国，可以选择击杀（卡牌损毁）或感化（若走宗教路线）。你可以选择发展海外贸易，给卡牌贴贴纸、撕毁某些卡牌、添加新卡——比如某张卡的最终升级形态。

What I found that because the rules are trying to cover everything and be vague, I was a bit disconcerted because you're gonna score victory points at the end. If you go through your whole deck, you do what you got to do, bad things start happening that you can or can't deal with. You might start getting attacked and so have you trained up knights, you might get like criminals coming your kingdom, you can either kill and the car gets destroyed or you can convert them if you've gone sort of a religious route. You can decide whether you want to start developing overseas trade. You get to add stickers to cards, tear cards up, add certain ones in, so it might be upgrade upgrade on last upgrade of a card.

通常你会升级两三次，也可能提示'现在可探索新卡牌'。有些卡牌每局游戏必定获得（如果玩到最后），另有许多卡牌需要通过发展才能解锁。你会感觉自己正在这个王国里创造独特的故事——仅用一套卡牌就能实现这种体验，实在是精妙的设计。

Generally you upgrade two three four times two or three times or it might say right now you can discover another card and there's a set of cards that you're definitely going to get every game if you play all the way through it and then there's a whole another bunch of cards that you might not get but that you have to develop into. You generally feel like you are creating your own story within this kingdom, which is a bit of a crazy trick to pull off with just a deck of cards.

它本质上就是一副卡牌，所以非常便携，你可以随身携带。

That is what it is just a deck of cards so it's quite portable though you can take it in.

这只是一个卡牌盒，里面有几张规则贴纸和这张卡，仅此而已。

It's just a deck box and there's a few there's couple of sheets of stickers as the rule and this card that's it.

它是玩一次就结束的吗？玩完后是不是就丢弃了？还是说存在可以持续进行的终局玩法？

Is it a one and done once you play it through is that you just sort of get rid of it or is it is there an end game there that you can keep on playing?

当你玩到某个阶段时，会提示这是你的最后一回合。有引导卡片指示你继续抽取四张牌，必须从中选择两张，可能让你暂停当前操作或继续推进。首次通关时会明确标注终点位置。过程中你需要不断做出抉择——每次抽取两张卡牌，选择一张计入王国分数，另一张则需撕毁。你可能专注于贸易、建造高塔、方舟或是军事发展，每次都要二选一。

So you play it through and it gets to a certain point and you're like this is your last turn and there are cards that guide you to go through and go right take the next four you've got to choose two of them all, stop here play around then go again or whatever it might be. So there's an end point for your first run through and it's like stop here. Also during the course of this you've made choices because you draw these two cards, choose one that you're going to score for your kingdom and throw the other one away. So it might be I'm focusing on trade, I'm focusing on building a massive tower, I'm focusing on building an ark, I'm focusing on having more military. And I have to choose between two every time and tear the other one up.

完成一轮游戏后，汇总分数记录在盒侧。基础游戏包含三张扩展卡，每张都印有新规则。翻转卡片即可激活对应规则：'本次游戏采用此新规'，这就是全部扩展内容。

You do the run through, you add it all together, and you say this is my score and you're right on the side of your box. Within the game itself there are three expansions. They're literally one card each and the card says right you're gonna run through your deck and this is a new rule for this run through of your deck. Turn it this is now the rule for you run through your deck. Flip it over, this is now the rule for run through your deck.

旋转卡片即切换第四条游戏规则，瞬间完成扩展加载。在此之前有个精妙的'净化'机制：从十到十二张卡中移除指定数量，被移除卡的分数将永久累积到净化总分中。

Turn it around, fourth rule for run through your deck. You've just played an expansion. Bang! Done! Before that there's a very clever mechanism called purge where you choose out of like ten, twelve, seven whatever take one out that's no longer in your deck, but the points that are on it are permanent and all your purge points will add.

每完成一个扩展会获得对应王国分数，连续完成多个扩展将形成套装。你的王国会随着每次扩展变得越来越强。基础游戏的三个扩展仅是规则卡，而埃森展即将发售的扩展包包含新卡牌。我试玩的第一个扩展包含探索地图卡，通过探索可解锁特殊卡牌，若操作不当则会导致破坏性卡牌涌入，危及王国发展。

So you're gonna get a one expansion score of your kingdom, and then you play another expansion you've got a set. So your kingdom is getting better and better and better every time you play an expansion. Now the three ones in the base game are just one card, they don't add anything, But at Essen, and they'll be coming in shop soon, there's little packs. And the packs are new cards that you can put into your kingdom, but in fact the first one I played with has got a map. It's just a little card that you can explore on, which gives you access to the way you explore gives you access to different cards and if you do it badly you'll get bad cards coming and they'll start wrecking your kingdom.

你正在创建一个王国，创造一段历史，所以就像——好吧，这就是我目前建造的宫殿，我不想要了，我要彻底清除它，实际上它现在成了一座纪念碑，而我将永久获得那些分数。像这样聪明的点子比比皆是，真的让我对《王国遗产》感到惊叹不已。我不想说得太过，因为你所做的不过是坐下来打四张牌，也许是六张、八张甚至十张，但你会觉得——天啊，这副牌里出了大问题，情况糟透了，处理起来很棘手。我可能得花整轮游戏的大部分时间不断抽牌、抽牌、抽牌，直到我能解决这个问题。我几乎浪费了一整轮来应对这个麻烦，或者我可能会想，算了。

You're creating a kingdom, you're creating a history so you're like right that's as far as I built a palace, I don't want it, I'm gonna purge it in effect that's now a monument and I'm gonna get those points forever. And there's so many clever ideas like that that you're just like I'm blown away by Kingdom Legacy genuinely. And I don't want to make it sound too much because all you're doing is sitting down playing four cards maybe six maybe eight maybe 10 but you're like there's a I've just I've got a real problem in this deck something really bad's gone wrong It's hard to deal with. I might spend the majority of this whole run through just drawing cards, drawing cards, drawing cards, drawing cards until I'm set up to deal with that. I've almost wasted a run through to deal with the problem or maybe I'll be like, no.

我就顺其自然吧。我时刻感觉自己在做抉择。你得撕毁卡片，要贴贴纸，这不是那种可以简单记下来就能玩的游戏。但每个决定都举足轻重，而你做的不过是经营一所高中——通常我不太喜欢这类主题，但这款游戏却让我着迷。我认为他们做得非常出色。

I'll just let it happen. And I'm constantly feel like I'm making choices. You have to tear cards up, you have to add stickers, it's not one where you can just write things down and then you will play it. But it feels consequential and all you're doing is just you're getting a high school, which generally I don't really like, but in this one I love. I just think they've done a really good job.

非常棒。好的，那你想给这款游戏打个分吗？

Very good. Okay. So you wanna throw a score at this one?

不太想。88分吧。

Not really. 88.

哇哦。好吧，看来我又多了一款喜欢的游戏。那么我要接着介绍Perro Loco Games出品、Jorge J. Barroso设计的《凤凰：新地平线》。

Wow. Okay. So, yeah, another positive one for myself there. So I'm gonna move on to Phoenix New Horizon from Perro Loco Games designed by Jorge J. Barroso.

这是款后末日题材游戏，人类被迫转入地下生存。如今我们终于重返地表，开始重建社会。我们要通过建造发电机，设法将电力输送到地面来实现这个目标。游戏机制类似《深海谍影》那种类型，你需要再次为你的工人编程行动。

And this is a post apocalyptic game where humanity has been driven underground. And now we are finally coming back to the surface, and we're starting to build up our society again. And we're doing this by building up generators and trying to get power up to the surface. Game itself, if you think of Aquasphere, like that kind of thing where you're, again, programming your worker.

什么游戏？

What game?

哦，好一个Nequosphere。我超爱派对的。

Oh, what a Nequosphere. I love a party.

被砍倒的。抱歉。我没

The felled. Sorry. I didn't

所以你不会，因为我们的旧可编程系统，但你必须让它们达到某些不同级别。它们可以通过增强在这个可编程轨道上达到更高等级。你要做的是将各种不同建筑放入一种区域控制板中，就像外面的凤凰地图那样，你试图完成任务并通过完成这些来获取额外资源和关键额外回合。

So you won't because our old programmable and but you have to get them to certain different levels. They can be enhanced to go up to higher levels on this sort of programmable track. What you're trying to do is get various different buildings into a sort of area control board where you've got like the Phoenix map out there and you're trying to do missions and try and complete card missions to get extra resources and key extra turns by doing these as well.

所以我们与这家出版商的首次接触是玩了双人游戏《日出日落》，那个在爱尔兰的埃及主题游戏。

So our first contact with this publisher played the two player game Sunrise Sunset, the Egyptian thing one in Ireland.

哦对，是的，是的。

Oh yeah, yep, yep.

那时我们共度美好时光，彼此深情凝望。

When we had a beautiful time together looking into each other's eyes.

完全正确。

Absolutely.

那是个有趣的游戏，但我觉得它需要更多空间让我们真正投入其中，真正理解卡组。但存在清晰度问题——规则手册中的措辞、卡牌上的短语（因为每张卡牌都有不同能力）以及语言使用方面都存在这些问题。我为《凤凰：新地平线》向你提出过担忧，因为这只是个简单的双人卡牌游戏，而你做的是一款更复杂的欧式游戏，我担心这些在深度更大的《凤凰：新地平线》中会被放大。

And that was an interesting game, but I felt like it needed sort of more place for us to really commit to it and really sort of understand the deck. But there were clarity issues. The clarity issues in the terms of the phrases of the rule book, phrases on the cards because every card has a different power, and it's also just in terms of use of language. And I raised concern for you for Phoenix New Horizon because this was a simple two player card game whereas you had got a deeper euro and I wondered whether these issues might be amplified by the greater depth in Phoenix New Horizon.

不，我认为他们显然在《凤凰：新地平线》的规则手册等方面投入了更多精力。我不记得有任何不理解的地方，无论...

No I think that they put obviously more due diligence into the rule book, etcetera, of a phoenix new horizon. I don't remember any any moments where I didn't understand something whether it

是我理解错了吗？我觉得你仿佛被圣灵附体获得了语言天赋。BHD上没有一个评论不说那规则手册糟糕透顶。真的？而且之前还有另一款游戏也这样，可能是《亚特兰蒂斯：出埃及记》。

was I foreign think I think you've been visited by the holy spirit and been given the gift of tongues. I don't think there's a single comment on BHD that doesn't say the rule book is awful. Really? Yeah and but the same for I think there was another one before. I think Atlantis Exodus maybe.

记不清了。总之可能快提到了。但没错，人们对这本规则手册非常不满。

Don't know. Anyway, maybe it's coming up. But yeah, they were not. People were not happy with this rule book at all.

好吧。或许像往常一样，我总是会先看一两个教学视频。可能我比单纯看规则的人更容易理解内容。

Okay. Maybe. As I always do, I always try and watch a video or two before I do these things. Maybe I was able to just grasp what was being said easier than someone just learning from the rule.

我认为这是语言天赋使然。

I think it's the gift of tongues.

我得说这游戏的美术不算出色，有时很难区分区域，因为你要进入多个不同区域，而区域间的界限标识不够明显。但总体制作水准还行。设计师确实跟我们提过部分木质配件出了问题，还提醒我们检查盒子，因为他们准备了替换件。幸运的是我的没问题，所需配件都齐全。

I will I will say that it's not the prettiest game out there is sometimes it's quite hard to differentiate because you there's a real different areas that you're going into. Sometimes the delineation between areas isn't the strongest on there. But in general, felt it was a decent production value. Now the guy did say to us that they had messed up some of the the wooden components and he did say check your box because we've got all the replacements here. Luckily mine was fine, I had all the bits I needed.

但这表明在生产过程中存在一些错误。

But that shows that there were some mistakes in production.

我觉得它们有点松散随意。看这个例子，我认为你可以升级工人，让他们获得不同的功能，这在游戏中总是相当有趣的设定。

They're feeling a bit loosey goosey to me. Right this is another one where I believe you can upgrade your workers and they acquire different functions which is something which I think is always quite interesting in the game.

是的，你可以在这类工人放置轨道上升级。一级工人保持在一级，如果升级，他们可以停留在二级，逐步提升，随着轨道等级越高，行动效果也越好。还有个特殊工人无需支付费用。

Yeah, so you can go up a level on this sort of worker placement track. So your level one worker stays on level one. And then if you if you increase them, they could stay on level two, and work their way up and the the actions get better, the higher up you are on that track. So that's good. And they're all there's a slight different worker as well that doesn't have to pay.

他们设置这个大工人感觉有点怪。大小工人间的差异极小，只是免除了微不足道的小额支付。升级时若多付点钱，就能直接执行行动而非停留在待定区。这个工人可以直接行动无需付费，就省了...比如1块钱。

It felt a bit weird that they had this big worker. And the change between the small worker and the big worker was so tiny, there was just a tiny little extra payment that you don't have to pay. So when you move up a level, if you pay a bit extra, you can go straight onto an action rather than in the holding area for that level. This one could go straight onto the action without paying And it's like, oh, 1 coin. I know.

可能就省1块钱吧。专门为这点差异设计完全不同外观的工人，这操作挺奇怪的。

It's like, well, maybe 1 coin. It's like, that's a that's a strange move to have a whole different look of a worker just for that.

松散随意，我深有体会。《新地平线》最受赞誉的就是每回合都想多一个行动、多玩一轮的渴望感，你无法完成所有事，必须优先决策——这恰恰是我非常推崇的机制，相比欧式游戏中能完美执行整个计划的设计。

Lucy goosey. I'm feeling it. The one thing that is constantly being praised for New Horizon is the feeling that you want one more action every turn, you want one more round of the game, you can't get everything done, you are having to prioritise in your choices, which is something that I very much prefer to be able to do everything you want to complete a whole plan during a Euro.

确实如此。而对于不擅长这游戏的人来说，如果你水平不够...

It is and being the person who isn't very good at this game, is if you're not good at the game.

我们发现的成果 那确实费了一番功夫。

What we found That was some work.

不，不，不。我要详细说明一下。我和Nat在Aircom West玩过几次这个游戏。

No. No. No. What I'm gonna I'm gonna elaborate. What what we found, myself and Nat played this a couple of times at Aircom West.

感谢Mark和所有人让我们在那里度过了愉快时光。我们当时不太擅长这个游戏。后来和Matthew一起玩时，那种突然开窍的感觉——虽然我很少遇到，但见过别人这样——Matthew就突然领悟了游戏玩法。

So thanks to Mark and all that for a great time there. We weren't very good at the game. And then we played with Matthew. And you know, when someone just clicks with a game to just get it, it doesn't happen to me very often, but I've seen it happen to others. And Matthew clicked, and he picked up how to play this game.

游戏精髓在于附加任务卡。每完成一张就能获得额外行动机会。整场游戏下来，我和Nat大概只有16次行动，而Matthew有38次之多。

And where the everything lives is in the additional mission cards. The more of those you do, every time you complete one, it gives you an extra action. So we worked out myself and Nat probably had in the whole game, like, 16 actions. And Matthew had, like, 38.

他赢了吗？

Did he win?

他差点把我们套圈了。

He nearly lapped us.

嗯，不意外。他的行动次数是你们的两倍呢。

Yeah. I'm not surprised. He had twice. Yeah.

他刚刚拿到。但他已经布置好一切来完成这些任务。我当时想，哦，这不过是些小事。完成任务，就能获得一些额外积分和资源。但还有其他途径。

He just got it. And but he was he just set up everything to complete these missions. And I thought, oh, that's just something. You complete the missions, and you get a few extra points, few extra resources. But there are other ways.

并非如此。没有强制要求你必须完成任务。但如果你做了任务，就能胜过那些试图走不同路线的人。而其中的陷阱在于——显然这是好事——完成额外任务正是他们想引导你做的。

They're not. There's no you have to do the missions. If you do the missions, well, you will win the game over people trying to do it by by going by different routes. And their lies. A is that's a good thing, obviously, doing the extra missions is what they're trying to get you to do.

但如果你蠢到没意识到这点，对我来说就剥夺了游戏的多样性。

But if you're stupid enough not to realize that, it takes away from the variety of the game for me.

我们随时为你服务。好吗？来吧。凤凰城，新地平线，给我们说说你的想法。

And we're here for you. Okay? Alright. Go ahead. And Phoenix, New Horizon, give us give us your your bubble.

所以我原本很享受这种存在多种胜利途径的感觉。但和马修玩过后，我再也不会不全力追求任务许可了——这夺走了我认为游戏本该有的元素。所以谢谢你啊马修。它从80多分的高分跌下来...虽然仍是个不错的游戏。

So I was quite enjoying it thinking that there are different avenues to victory. And then once playing with Matthew, I will never ever play without going for heavily permissions again, which has taken an element of the game that I thought was there away from me. So thanks for that, Matthew. It went from like a strong 80 plus. It's still a good game, though.

我给它72分。我不得不重新思考玩法，说实话，我的自尊心有点受挫。之后我就没再玩过，因为我在生闷气。

I'm gonna give it a 72. I have, again, had to rethink the way I play this. And I won't lie. A bit of pride. A bit of pride was was smackdown, and I haven't played it since because I'm I'm sulking.

但我准备重新尝试。我确实认为这是款不错的游戏，只是可能没达到我期待的那种卓越程度。

But I am ready to go back to it. I do think there's a decent game in there, whether it's the great game I was hoping for, I don't maybe not.

你家里不是有个六岁小孩吗？你可以玩玩这些游戏让自己感觉好点。

Isn't there a six year old in your house? You can just play at these games and make yourself feel better.

好点？你为什么要打击我？你在说什么啊？

Better? Why are destroying me? What are you talking about?

身体上是这样，但希望如此。好吧，是时候重获新生了，肖恩。

Physically, but hopefully. Okay. Time for a rebirth, Sean.

哦，我们要去编织仙境吗？

Oh, are we going to Knitsieland?

今天我们要第一次（但绝非最后一次）前往编织仙境。强力靴子，这是个搭建高塔的游戏，背景设定在后启示录时代与文明重生。基础版游戏以苏格兰为背景，我还看到有张爱尔兰地图，当时我走过去就想——重生？

We are going to Knitsieland for the first but not last time today. Mighty Boots, this is a tower laying game. It's themed post apocalyptic and a rebirth civilization. It's based in Scotland for your basic game. There is a map which was Ireland, which I saw and I walked over I was like Rebirth?

这是什么设定？顺便说今年我完全没为Essence做准备，根本不知道会发生什么。全凭直觉行事，看到是爱尔兰地图就自然买下了。他们选了阿登特西部一个非常奇怪的地方作为我们的定居点。

What's that about? I had no prep for Essence this year by the way. I really had no idea what was going on. I was going on vibes and it was an Ireland map so I bought it naturally. They chose a very weird place to be our settlement in the West Of Ardent.

虽然偏远了些但没关系，至少是个真实存在且位置正确的地方。继续介绍，这是个塔楼铺设游戏，回合结束时你要抽取板块。为什么这很重要？因为回合开始时你要放置板块。

Are the back and beyond but anyway it's all good. It's a real place at least and in the right place. Good moving on, it's a tower lane and at the end of your turn you draw a tile. Why is that important? Because at the start of turn you're gonna play a tile.

打出一块板块，执行其效果，再抽取一块板块。很棒！这里有两种不同类型的农场：食物农场和能源农场。地图上有房屋，在苏格兰地图上，基于区域多数原则，还有城堡——若你在周围占据多数，就能得分。定居点根据其规模大小以不同方式计分。

Play a tile, you do what it does, you draw a tile. Cool! Are two different types of farms, food farms, energy farms. There are houses and on the Scotland map, based on an area majority thing, there are castles and if you've got most around there you can score some points. There are settlements which score in different ways depending upon how big they are.

它们分一级、二级或三级。你只能将房屋板块放在定居点里，具体取决于里面已有的人员。那里有些计分项，你的板块上房屋数量也不同。还有大教堂，若你紧邻大教堂放置板块，可获得一张计分卡。这是克努兹先生设计的基础板块放置游戏。

They're one, two or three. You can only put your house tiles in the settlement ones and depends on people are in there. There's some scoring for stuff there and you have different numbers of houses on your tiles. There are cathedrals and if you go adjacent to cathedral you get a card which gives you some way of scoring some points. It is a very basic tile layer from Mr.

肖恩，你觉得克努兹的设计看起来怎么样？有什么想法吗？

Knutzia, Sean it looks pretty any thoughts from you?

我曾在SM清单上简单浏览过这款游戏，可能是它的简易性让我却步，因为我已有简单的板块放置游戏。我当时觉得内容可能不够丰富。但我常被证明是错的，尤其是克努兹博士的作品——他总能在游戏中编织出比表面更深的机制。所以我很想知道你觉得它是否过于简单，还是另有玄机？

I did have a little snifter at this on the SM list and think it was the simplicity that maybe pushed me away because I've got simple title layers. And I just thought, I don't know that there's enough about this. But I'm often proved wrong, especially with Doctor. Knizia because he does tend to weave more than the the sort of some of the parts into into his game sometimes so I'd be interested to know how you thought was it too simple or was there more to it?

他的织布机可能出故障了。你获得的大教堂卡牌很乏味，早期无法集齐，有时拿到时已错过计分时机。比如争夺斯特灵城堡周边多数时，你会发现肖恩碰巧已包围了城堡，只能放弃。或是争夺英格兰边境多数时发现别人已占据，或是需要毗邻邓迪——结果自己早就在那儿了。

His loom must be on the blink So the cathedral cards that you get are boring and you can't get them all early and sometimes you get them and have already scored the points or you just can't score the points. But be most around Sterling Castle and you look and Sean's just by chance surrounded Sterling Castle you go, oh, I'm not gonna get that. Or be most on the English border and you're like, well, no, someone's already there. Or be next to Dundee. Oh, I'm already next to Dundee.

这些分我已拿到。或是直接获得三分。克努兹板块游戏的精髓在于你放置板块时与他人的互动。这正是其魅力所在——不仅是你的行动，更是你与其他玩家的博弈，所以大家才如此着迷。在《重生》中阻截对手从来都不划算。

I've got those points. Or just here's three points. One of the keys to Knizia Tile Lane is the interaction of where you put your tile to other people. That's the magic of Knizia game, it's not just what you do, it's what you do with the other players which is why people love them. Blocking is never worth it in Rebirth.

即使双人游戏也不值得，因为地图不够紧凑，成功阻截的机会太少。比如我放置农场板块时，若成为第四块就得4分，第五块5分，第六块6分。当肖恩有七块连片时，我想阻截却距离太远，最终只能自己放板块得8分。肖恩总有办法化解——我可能阻止他得第11或12分，自己却损失1分，相当于同时削减了双方的潜在得分。

Even in a two player game it's just not worth it because the maps not tight enough and it's so rare that you can and you'll invest. So what happens is when you put out a farm tile right, if I add a farm tile and it's the fourth in a group I'm gonna score four points and the fifth five points and the six six points. Sean's got a group of seven and I'm like oh I'm gonna block him but I'm nowhere near there usually so I'm gonna put it down and score eight point. Sean will usually have a way around. I'm preventing him from scoring maybe his eleventh or twelfth point and I'm scoring his scoring one point, I'm taking points off myself, I'm taking theoretical points of Sean.

在双人游戏中它行不通，在多人游戏中更是三倍、四倍地行不通。因为如果我是试图阻止你的人，那个不阻止的玩家就会获胜，局面就被净化了。这就是我对《重生》的不满之处。它功能正常，温和，但有个非常奇怪的设计：你有一大堆板块，游戏开始时随机移除两个放到一边。

It doesn't work in a two player game, in a multiplayer game it triply, quadruply doesn't work. Because if I'm the one trying to block you, the player who doesn't block is gonna win and it's sanitized. And that's what is my problem with rebirth. It's functional, it's mild, it's got a really weird thing where you've removed like, you've got a big old stack of tiles. You remove two of them by chance and put them out of the way at the beginning of the game.

于是你能绝对准确地预测每个人剩下的板块。但根本没人这样玩这个游戏。我不在乎你剩下三栋房子还是两栋房子，也不在乎你是否只剩一片农场。

So you've the absolute accurate predictions of what everyone's got left. No one's playing this game that way. I don't care if you've got a three house or two house left. I don't care. I don't care if you've got one farm left.

板块数量太多了，只是没人提过这点。我们为什么要这么做？这很奇怪。我也觉得，确实很奇怪。

There are so many tiles. It's just not everyone has mentioned. Why do we do that? That's weird. I'm like, yeah, is weird.

我不知道你们为何这样设计。爱尔兰版本稍有不同，采用公开计分制，玩家可以竞速争夺，互动性稍强。但等你为了玩到爱尔兰版本而重复玩苏格兰三四次后，你早对这游戏厌烦了。它不差，只是平庸得像原味酸奶。如果你想玩《托莱多》《蓝礁湖》《武士》《巴比伦》这些神作，那《重生》存在的意义是什么？

I don't know why you do that. The Ireland side has got something a little bit different where there are public scoreings and you can kind of race to it and slightly more interactive but by the point that you've played Scotland three or four times in order to like you should get to the island side you're gonna be so bored of the game. You want to knit it's not bad it's not a bad game it's just mildly fine it's plain yogurt. If you want to knit to Toledo, Blue Lagoon, Samurai, Babylonia amazing games, this is a why. Why rebirth?

别买它。

Don't do it.

要我打个分吗？

You want a score for me?

我能给的最平庸分数是多少？50分。

What's the blandest score I can give it? 50.

所以当我准备去埃森时，有一款游戏我无法提前预订，纯粹因为它的外观让我非常期待。那款游戏就是《巴比伦》。

So when I was preparing to go to Essen, I had one game that I wasn't able to preorder that I was very excited about purely based on the looks of it. And that game was Babylon.

哪个巴比伦？具体是哪一款？这是个好游戏名字，就叫《巴比伦》，显然...

Which Babylon? Which Babylon is it? It's a good name for a game, just Babylon because obviously

是的，我知道市面上有几款叫巴比伦的游戏。这确实容易混淆，因为在BoardGameGeek上搜索时，你得翻过大约94条记录才能标记玩过的那款。但这款《巴比伦》是由Olivier Gregoire设计、Geek Attitude Games发行的。他们在埃森的物流出了大问题，根本没能运到足够数量的游戏。

Yeah, I know there's a few Babylons out there. Yeah, that is quite confusing because I will know when you search for them on board game geek just to say you played the game, you have to go through about 94. But yeah, so Babylon, this is the geek attitude games one designed by Olivier Gregoire. Yeah, they had major shipment problems into Essen. And they were they were unable to get the game in any type of numbers at all.

最后他们只放出150份，头三天每天50份。幸运的是，我的好朋友——那个了不起的家伙、完美的绅士马修——成功早早赶到了展位。

So I think they ended up releasing 150 and they did 50 for each of the first three days. Luckily, my good pal, wonderful chap, beautiful man that he is, Matthew, was able to get to the booth quite early.

你不是说他总搞砸事情吗？

Didn't you say he ruins everything?

我改变主意了。

I've changed my mind.

你收回这句话了。还记得你怎么拿到这游戏的吗？

You're taking it back. You remember you got this game?

我记得这个。是的。他设法给我弄到了一本。所以我是极少数能拿到《巴比伦》副本的人之一。巴比伦是一款城市建设游戏。

I remember this. Yeah. And he was able to get me a copy. So I was one of the very few people that managed to get a copy of Babylon. Now what Babylon is a a city construction.

建造巴比伦花园，你需要用那些精致的小塑料零件来完成。在那背后

The constructing the gardens of Babylon, and you you have little ornate plastic pieces to do that. Behind that

你在纠结。我知道你为什么对游戏机制感到困惑。

You're struggling. I know why you're struggling with mechanics.

因为没有资金支持。

Because there isn't money.

这只是个玩具。

It's a toy.

而在那背后

And behind that

就是个玩具。是乐高。当然，是高级版的乐高。

It's toy. It's Lego. It's fancy Lego for sure.

这确实是高档乐高，但我们都爱玩点乐高。我身边到处都是乐高，我是个乐高迷。

It is fancy Lego for sure but we all love a bit of Lego. I've got Lego all around me here. I'm a Lego fan.

是啊，可你是个肤浅的人，买它纯粹因为外表超级超级好看。谁都知道它颜值爆表，这是个立体拼图。连我都注意到它会被做成这样。

Yeah well you're a tarp so you bought it because it looks really really really pretty. Everyone knows it looks really pretty. It's a three d puzzle. Everyone, even I noticed it was gonna be out in this.

我是个肤浅的人不代表我就是坏人。

Just because I'm a tart doesn't mean that I'm a bad person.

你是心有猛虎的肤浅之人。

You're tart with a heart.

你刚才向全世界宣告了——我正想说我就是个肤浅的人呢。

You just told my world I was literally gonna say I'm a tart.

让我们直击Chromebooks Babylon游戏的核心吧。

Let's get to the heart of the game in Chromebooks Babylon.

所以这些精美组件和华丽建筑背后，其实是款非常基础的标准欧式桌游。有些机制我不介意，甚至还挺享受的。

So behind the beauty of the of the components and the beauty of the construction we're making is actually a very basic bog standard euro game. There are elements that I don't mind and I quite enjoy.

是欧式游戏吗？你为什么说它是欧式的？

Is it euro? Why are you saying it's euro?

我为什么说它是欧式的？因为你在收集资源，将组件组合起来建造你的东西，每个组件以不同方式计分，摆放方式必须遵循特定规则，需要像搭金字塔那样层层构建。所以你必须策略性地放置部件。所以我不确定，也许它不是欧式游戏。

Why am I saying it's euro? Because you're collecting resources and you're getting components together to be able to build your thing and each of them score in different ways and the way you place them has to be in certain ways you have to build them up as a pyramid kind of thing. So you have to be strategic in where you're placing your bits. So I don't know. Maybe it's not a euro.

也许我错了。

Maybe I'm No.

不，好吧。我没想到有这么多门道。

No. Okay. I didn't I didn't know there was that much to it.

是啊，我可能...可能有点夸大其词了。

Yeah. I don't I'm probably I'm probably over egging the pudding a little bit there.

里面没多少实质内容？

There wasn't a lot of egg in it?

那个布丁里根本没什么料，但我依然乐在其中，就像对待大多数布丁那样。游戏最糟糕的部分是选择组件的方式——你会拿到一定数量的建筑块（比如柱子之类的），需要从中选取。最无聊的就是要从游戏盒中央挑选板块这个环节。

There wasn't a lot of egg at all in that pudding, but I'd still enjoyed it as I do for most puddings. The Rue. The worst part of the game is how you select your components. So you're going to get a certain amount of building, let's say building blocks, pillars or whatever they've got, you're going get a certain amount of them into your hand. And that's probably the most boring aspect of the game is that you're going to select a tile in the center of the game box.

这个游戏里你需要放置各种瓷砖，然后用柱子支撑它们来构建花园。你要从中选择一块，如果它在顶部且旁边有其他瓷砖，你会获得更多。关于能获得多少柱子有非常简单的规则，相当无聊。是的，基本没什么策略可言，通常每次选择都很明显。

There's like a where you place all these tiles and then you're kind of building tiles that the pillars are going to hold up to form the garden. And you're going to select one of those and if it's on the top row with things beside it, you're going to get more if it's on the there's very simple rules as to how many of these pillars you get. That's quite boring. It's quite yeah, there's no real strategy to it. There's very obvious choice normally all the time.

然后你收集柱子开始建造。如果是楼梯，必须放在特定位置，并且要按我说的建成金字塔形状。就这么简单，这是个非常基础的游戏。有趣之处在于——我们常说——它不会让人感到冗长。

Then you're going to collect your pillars and then you're to start building things. If it's a stairs, it has to go to certain on a certain place and you have to build it as I said in a pyramid. And there's not much more to it. It is a very basic game. It is fun because it and we say it all the time, it doesn't outstay its welcome.

游戏节奏非常快。

It it plays very quickly.

听起来像在讨论单人纸牌游戏。

There's a lot of solitaire talk.

玩家互动很少。唯一的互动就是那个无聊的选择机制：如果我拿走某块瓷砖，可能会给你留下机会让你多拿一根柱子。或者我可能故意拿走你需要的花色瓷砖——共有三四种颜色的瓷砖，比如仅有的黄色花朵瓷砖被你急需时，我可能出于使坏拿走它，仅此而已。

There is very little interaction. The only interaction is in that very boring selection mechanism in that if I take out a tile, like I might leave something open for you that gives you maybe one pillar extra on your turn. So or maybe I'll take the tile that you want to complete your set because there's three different four different colors of tiles, and maybe there's only one yellow flower tile and you need it to complete your section. So I might take that just to be a bit mean, but that's about it.

不知道你现在怎么想，你听起来像我点评这个游戏时的语气。

I don't know what you think of it now. You sound like me reviewing this game.

我觉得我有点像你，可能比你的重生评测更甚些。这游戏还行，不算糟糕，节奏快。要是再长点我可能就不喜欢了。

I think I'm kinda like you, probably maybe a little bit more than your rebirth review. It's fine. It's not a terrible game. It's quick. If it was any longer, I would probably dislike it.

所以我打算给它68分。我觉得还行，不错。它正接近70分，但我越玩越觉得分数可能会下降。

So I'm gonna give it a 68. I think it's it's fine. It's good. It's it's nudging towards the 70, but the more I play it, I think it's gonna go down for me.

我觉得这些组件配68分，实际体验可能只有30分。

I feel like a 68 with those components is a real life 30.

很可能。没错，这些组件大概值64分。

Probably. Yeah. The components are probably worth a good 64.

对。说到这个——我指的不是组件部分——Bus and Stop游戏由Sashi和Sashi出版。肖恩和我曾住在Rooer附近一个他找的漂亮地方，附设高档餐厅，有天晚上我们还在烛光晚餐时喝了杯葡萄酒。

Right. Speaking of which, and I'm not talking about the good components bit, Bus and Stop. Published by Sashi and Sashi. Sean and I, we stayed next to the Rooer in a very nice place that he'd found with a very high class restaurant attached to it, which we candlelit dinner one night had a glass of wine.

是啊，等我们终于搞明白菜单上写的到底是什么之后。

Yeah once we worked out what the hell was on the menu.

没错，多亏谷歌镜头翻译，太感谢了。但实际体验很棒，因为我们去了地道的德国餐馆，在路上散步，还去划船俱乐部吃午餐，让我练习了非常蹩脚的德语。那是种截然不同的氛围。展厅太拥挤了，我感觉你我当时都想赶紧买完需要的东西就回去——毕竟我们住在那么美的地方，可以放松休息、玩几局游戏、散散步。我真的很享受我们共度的时光。

Yep, thank you Google Lens, much appreciated. But actually it was good, it was good right because we went somewhere that was authentically German and we walked on the road, we went to a rowing club for lunch and got I to practice very very poor German. It was a kind of a very different essence. The halls were so busy that I feel like you and I both got the same thought of let's get in, we're not gonna be able to poodle around much, let's get what we need, get back because we're staying in a lovely place and then have some relaxed time and chill and play a couple of games and go for a walk. I I very much enjoyed our time together.

我也是。这大概是我参加过最轻松的一次课程，也是我度过的最惬意的假期之一。

I did too. I I think it's actually probably the the single most relaxing lesson I've ever been to. And one of the more relaxing holidays I've ever had.

哦，我就当这是夸奖了。那确实挺烦人的。对。所以我们有几天在酒店玩了'巴士与停靠站'的游戏，之后我还和其他人玩过。萨莎和萨莎一直在积累粉丝。

Oh, I'll take that as a compliment. It would be irritating. Right. So we did in the hotel one of the days play bus and stop and I've played it since then with more people. Is Sasha and Sasha have been building up a following day.

他这次的展位绝对比我见过的都大，更有存在感。我走过去时心想，哦是萨莎和萨莎，让我快速看看他们有什么。结果一转身，肖恩居然在排队。我惊呆了，肖恩居然在排那个时髦的日本出版商的小卡牌游戏队伍。什么情况？

He certainly had a much bigger booth this than I've ever seen, more of a presence. I walked up and I was like, oh Sasha and Sasha, let me have a quick look what they've got. I'll turn around, Sean was in the queue. I'm like, Sean is in the hip Japanese publisher, little card game queue. What?

虽然不想剧透我的2023年十佳榜单，但确实有款游戏让我意识到萨莎和萨莎可能真是个不错的出版商。

I am not gonna spoil it for my top 10 of 23, but there was a game that made me realize that Sashi and Sashi might actually be a decent publisher.

对，那个联动挺酷的。不过24年肯定不会出'巴士与停靠站'了。我可以肯定地说，因为我和他玩过。这是个成套收集的卡牌游戏，你需要轮抽不同颜色——共有四种，必须拿走同色的全部。不同颜色对应不同类型的人物卡，实际上你收集的是人物套装（虽然是通过颜色轮抽），而且你的巴士只有有限空间——总共只能拿10张卡，可以选择拿卡或交卡。

Right cool cool crossover there. It's not going to be bus and stop for 24 though. I can tell you that because I've played it with him. It's a set collector card game in which you draft different colors, there are four available, you have to take all of that color. The different colors have got different types of people on them and it's actually sets of people that you're collecting although you're drafting in the colors, and then you've got only a certain amount of space you're to take 10 cards in total on your bus and you can either take cards or you can hand them in.

交出去的套装越大，得分效率越高。我当时看着就觉得这游戏可能挺有意思，因为你可以真的坑别人——比如抢走他们想要的卡，让他们的巴士乱糟糟的。这肯定还有更深的玩法，毕竟是萨莎的游戏。所以我决定再玩一次。真的。我要再玩一次。

And the larger the set that you hand in, the more efficient it is for points. Now I looked at this and thought this could be quite interesting because you could really stitch people up and you can like take the ones they want and make their bus look a bit of a mess and there must be more to this, it's a Sasashi game. There must be so I'm gonna play it again. Be. So I'm gonna play it again.

然后他们把它送人了。

And then they gave it away.

你送人了？

You gave it away?

是啊。

Yeah.

好吧。其实我没那么投入，但最后我觉得我比你更喜欢它一些。

Okay. Well, I didn't go that far. I think I liked it better than you at the end.

只是有点失望，因为它没有生日元素。玩的时候我就觉得，呃，这游戏并没有特别吸引我的点，不过人多的话可能会更有趣些。

It was just was just disappointed there's no it's birthday. When we played it I was like ah right this is not really grabbing me by particulars but with more people there'll be more something.

对，我也...不觉得它是我们预期中那种精巧的游戏。但你知道吗？回来后我和Nat、James一起玩了，因为它很容易上手。

Yeah. I don't yeah. I don't think it's the clever game that we anticipated for sure. But you know what? It's I sat down and played with Nat and James when we came back because it was an easy easy tame to bring to the table.

这蠢劲倒是如出一辙。

That's the same stupidity.

很容易摆上桌面的游戏。我们能玩得开心，这就够了。它还行，真的还行，某种程度上还挺合理。

Easy game to bring to the table. We can enjoy it. It was fine. It was absolutely fine. Kind of made like a bit of sense.

我不认为需要做什么重大战术或战略决策，但它还行。它就是它本来的样子。还行吧。我不确定它会留在...哦，我刚刚突然失去信心了。

I don't think there's any major tactical or strategic decisions to be made, but it was fine. It is what it is. It was fine. I don't know that it'll stay in the oh, I have just lost the belief.

哦，别担心，我来开头吧。昨天午餐时我和五岁的小侄女玩了‘Snaps’游戏，那天是父亲的生日，我们享受了一顿温馨的家庭聚餐。这个游戏是‘Snap’的变体，你可以匹配颜色、数字或图案，还能多次得分。

Oh, well, don't worry. I'll start talking. I play the game snaps with my five year old niece at lunch yesterday. It was father's birthday with a lovely family meal and it's a twist on snap. You can match color or number or picture and you can get multiple.

你只有三张牌，却能分成好几堆，还能冻结别人。这比‘Bus and Stop’有趣多了，后者根本不好玩。不，真的，它确实有效。

You only have three and you have multiple piles of it and you can freeze people. That was more fun than bus and stop because it was fun. Bus and stop has no fun. No like what yeah. It works.

我在收集...这个游戏也在限制你。我现在被限制住了，所以玩得不开心。我就想，好吧，就这样吧。

I'm I'm I'm collecting. It's it's also limiting limiting you. I'm just limited. So now I'm not having fun. I'm like, oh, just alright.

我只能给他四张牌，这是我唯一能做的。我别无选择。我在做决策吗？没有。有时候我只是被套路了。

I'll hand him four or that's what I can do. There's nothing else I can do. Am I am I making choices? No. I'm just getting stitched up sometimes.

就这样吧。

It just yeah.

我会的，我同意。那确实令人失望。我还买了2023年发行的《Newsboys》，同样相当令人失望，我就直说了。所以，Sachi和Sachi，你们要注意了，因为你们让我兴奋过几次，但也让我失望了几次。

I will yeah. I'll agree. It was it was a disappointment. I also bought newsboys, which was a 2023 release, And that was quite disappointing as well, I'll just say. So, Sachi and Sachi, you are on notice because you got me excited and you've let me down a couple of times.

别以为你们能逃脱评分。

So don't think you're getting away without a score.

40分。

40.

40分？哇，我会给55分。好吧，我们继续看看水豚饼干俱乐部的精彩内容。由哦，

40? Wow, I would give it a 55. Okay. Let's go on to some capybara cookie club goodness. Designed by Oh,

很快就埋下了伏笔。

foreshadowed that very quickly.

这是我的好友赖纳·卡尼齐亚设计的，

It's on my off good friend, Reiner Kanizia and

等等。再说一遍名字，然后告诉我谁设计的，因为我有点懵，什么？

Hold on. Say the name again, and then tell me who designed it again because I'm like, what?