第554集 | 天堂的货币是什么？

多少才够呢？对吧？

How much is enough, Right?

我们非得建更大的谷仓吗？

Do we have to build bigger barns?

你知道，我们是否只是在囤积更多？

You know, are we just gathering more?

我觉得这源于我的竞争天性，可能你也是——当你擅长某事并知道它能带来什么时，诱惑就是大量去做。嗯。

So and I think it's in my competitive nature and probably yours as well that if you're good at something and you know what it can produce, that your temptation is to do it a lot Mhmm.

因为我喜欢它，而且我可以我可以聚集。

Because I like it, and I could I I could gather.

你知道，我非常享受销售的世界。

You know, I I very much enjoyed the world of sales.

打扰一下。

Excuse me.

我不这么认为，因为我我不一定被认为是像世界级销售员那样的人，但我喜欢与人打交道。

I think not because I I would necessarily be considered like a class world class salesman, but I like people.

我喜欢与人交流。

I like communicating with people.

我喜欢了解他们真正想要什么，并帮助他们得到它。

I like finding out what they really wanted and helping them get it.

对吧？

Right?

但我也会沉迷于其中的统计乐趣。

But I could also be caught up in the statistical pleasure of it.

你知道吗？

You know?

拿到超出我当周所需的薪水感觉不错。

Not bad having a paycheck that's above and beyond what I need for that week.

但是，但也要说，你知道，我知道如果我这样做这么多次，我会得到这个结果。

But, but also just saying, you know, I know if I do this this many times, I'll get this result.

如果我得到这个结果这么多次，我就能建一个大谷仓。

And if I get this result this many times, I'll have a big barn built.

你知道吗？

You know?

但某种程度上，我们可能会陷入'建造更大谷仓'综合症的陷阱。

But at some point, we could get caught up in the in the build bigger barn syndrome.

我认为关键是你说的——我们的喜乐在于主。

I think the key is what you said is that our delight is in the Lord.

而且，我们想为家庭留下遗产，但即便如此也可能存在隐患。

And also, we you wanna leave a heritage for our family, but even that could have pitfalls in it.

对吧？

Right?

我认为我在这一代人身上看到的一个现象是：我们这代人被过度纵容，以至于现在形成了一种消费主义思维模式。

I think one of the things I'm seeing in this generation is that there's been so much enabling of our generation that now it's become a consuming thought process.

比如，你具体是指什么？

Like, what do you what do you mean?

我...我应该...我理应得到那些。

I I should I I deserve that.

而正在蔓延的整个社会主义心态就像在说：哦，每个人都理应拥有一切。

And the whole socialist mentality that's coming in is like, oh, everybody deserves everything.

对吧？

Right?

比如，为什么我们...为什么我们...还存在任何形式的卓越吗？

Like, why are we why are we is there any kind of excellence?

为什么还要有什么...你知道，拥有金钱和物质就该是人基本的体面和权利。

Why is there any kind of you know, it should just be your human decency and right to have money and things.

虽然我们相信医疗保健等生存必需的事物很重要，但我认为'不劳者不得食'是一条非常符合圣经的原则。

And while we believe that health care and things like that that you need to to exist are important, I think it's a very biblical principle that if you don't work, you don't eat.

上帝确实赋予我们管理权，但同时也赐予我们祂的心意。

And that God does give us stewardship, but he also gives us his mind.

你知道，我觉得我们拥有优势。

You know, I I think we have the advantage.

我在大学攻读商科学位时意识到一件事，我发现周围的同学都比我年轻得多。

One thing I recognized when I was in, in college getting my business degree, I realized that I was with students that were way younger.

要知道，距离我上次上大学已经过去三十年了。

You know, it'd been thirty years since I'd been to college.

他们确实年轻许多。

They were way younger.

他们刚从充满新思想的顶尖大学毕业。

They're fresh out of big universities filled with ideas.

当我们为不同商业模式组建团队时，我总是被推选为团队领导，当时我还不明白其中缘由。

And as we put together teams for different business models and things, inevitably, I was always getting chosen to lead teams, and I couldn't understand what what it was all about.

但后来我思考后发现，我们人生中学到的教义准则，以及与上帝同行的思维方式和对生活细节的把控，让我们比世界上绝大多数人都准备得更充分。

But then as I started to think about it, I said, you know, like, the categorical doctrine that we learn in our lives, the ability to think with God and the details of life makes us so much better prepared than a large majority of the people on the face of the earth.

确实如此。

For sure.

所以我认识到，接受上帝话语的训练使我在其他领域也获得了优势，因为原理都是相通的。

So I recognize that my training in the word of God gave me an advantage in other areas because the principles are the same.

毫无疑问。

For sure.

你在商业之外的生活中以诚信待人，在商业中也会以诚信待他们。

You're you treat people with integrity in in your life outside of business, you're gonna treat them with integrity inside of business.

如果你在商业中不诚信待人，在商业之外你也会不诚信待人。

If you treat them without integrity in your business, you're gonna treat people outside of business without integrity.

所以我们有这种与神同在的特质，因为我们的愿望是取悦于他。

So we we have this character in God, and it's because our desire is to delight him.

我们也知道肉体中有力量。

And we also know there's power in the flesh.

你知道吗？

You know?

我们知道肉体中有力量。

We know there's power in the flesh.

我们可能会出于错误的原因使用神赐予我们的天赋。

We could use our the gifts that God gives us for the wrong reasons.

你可以宣讲一条信息，它很有说服力。

You can preach a message and it's persuasive.

对吧？

Right?

有人听完后会说，哇。

Somebody comes out of there and goes, wow.

今晚我在这个领域被说服了，因为信息被清晰地阐述出来。

I was persuaded in this area tonight because it was laid out.

它被呈现出来了。

It was presented.

事实已经证明，这是真的。

The case was made, and it's true.

嗯。

Mhmm.

但你可以将其转化为对某人的操控。

But you could you could turn that into manipulation over somebody.

对吧？

Right?

或者，用肉体或属魂的劝导引领他们。

Or, leading them in your flesh or in this in soulish counsel.

嗯。

Mhmm.

我们知道那不是真正的劝导。

And we know that that's not genuine counsel.

真正的劝导是让人转向主。

Genuine counsel is turning somebody to the Lord.

实际上，如果有人接受你的信息、你的投入、你的门徒训练，然后变得成熟成长，离开你去开创另一项事工或被大大使用，那将是多么大的赞美。

And, actually, what a compliment if somebody is receiving your message, receiving your investment, your discipleship, and then becomes mature and grown and goes off away from you and starts another work or is used mightily that way.

对吧？

Right?

所以这种美好的专注在于以主为乐，而非我们自己的技能和恩赐。

So there's this beautiful concentration on the delight is in the Lord and not in our own skills and our own gifts.

同时也要聆听神，你知道，我可以成为世界上最伟大的商人，但如果在某个时刻，我没有将商业收益用于神的荣耀和他的国度，而只是存入银行账户。

And also listening to God, you know, I could I could be the greatest businessman in the world, but at some point, if I'm not using that, the proceeds from that business to the glory of God and his kingdom, but I'm just storing it up in my bank account.

对。

Right.

你知道，我的小皮袋，就像《被选中的人》里装满了银币的那个，它变得越来越鼓，

You know, my little leather pouch, like in the chosen with all those silver coins and it's getting bigger and bigger and bigger,

但是

but

除了我擅长这个之外，并没有真正的目的。

there's no real purpose other than I'm good at this.

这可能是个问题。

That could be a problem.

确实可能是。

It could be.

是啊。

Yeah.

你得承认犹大这个例子很有说服力。

And you have to think that's a good point with Judas.

耶稣让他掌管钱袋，而他参与整件事就是为了钱。

Jesus put him in charge of the money bag, and he was in the whole thing for money.

没错。

Yes.

其他门徒并没有负责这个。

And the other disciples, they were not in charge of that.

他们有各自的追求。

They had different pursuits.

但最终被淘汰的是那个被金钱吞噬的人。

But ultimately, the one that was taken out was the one who was consumed with money.

是啊。

Yeah.

我认为金钱作为人类的一种工具，能给予我们某些东西。

And I think money is one of those things that as human beings, can give us certain things.

它给予我们安全感、自由、重要性和地位。

It gives us security, gives us freedom, it gives us significance, it gives us status.

没错。

Yeah.

它还能带给我们肉体上的欢愉。

It gives us the pleasures of the flesh.

我们只关注肉体。

We are just consumed with the body.

这就是耶稣在马太福音第六章中所谈论的。

And this is what Jesus is talking about in Matthew chapter six.

他在马太福音第六章说道，我将从第19节开始读，因为这正与我们讨论的内容相关。

And he says in Matthew six, I'll just read, starting in verse 19 because this goes along with what we're talking about.

他说：不要为自己积攒财宝在地上，那里有虫蛀和锈蚀，也有贼挖洞来偷。

He says, lay not up for yourselves treasures upon the earth where moth and rust consume and where thieves break through and steal.

而要积攒财宝在天上，那里没有虫蛀和锈蚀，也没有贼挖洞来偷。

But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven where neither moth nor rust do consume, and where thieves do not break through nor steal.

因为你的财宝在哪里，你的心也在哪里。

For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

接着他在第22节运用了这个对比，并说身体的灯就是眼睛。

And then he uses this contrast in verse 22, and he says the lamp of the body is the eye.

所以，如果你的眼睛单一，全身就充满光明。

If therefore your eye be single, your whole body shall be full of light.

但如果你的眼睛邪恶，全身就充满黑暗。这意味着人的身体——我能用手脚和身体创造事物的能力——若失去视力，就无法看清双手正在制作的东西。

But if your eye be evil, the whole body shall be full of darkness, meaning that the human body, the way that I can use my hands, my feet, my body to be able to produce something, if I don't have my eyesight, then I am not able to look at what I'm actually working on with my hands.

于是我的双手和双脚就变得毫无用处。

So my hands become useless and my feet become useless.

因此他说，如果眼睛不正常，整个身体都将失去功用。

So he says, if the eye is not working properly, then the whole body is going to be useless.

他是用这个比喻来指代心灵。

And he uses this in the sense of the heart.

在诗篇一百一十九章，他谈到心灵是属灵的眼睛——若心灵昏暗，就看不见生活中事物的属灵价值。

So the heart in Psalm one nineteen, he talks about the heart being, the spiritual eye, that if your heart is darkened, then you can't see spiritually the value of things in life.

但如果心灵正确对准方向且充满光明，你就能看清生命的真谛。

But if the heart is aligned correctly and the heart is full of light, then you're able to see what life is really all about.

你也能明白如何善用时间的价值。

And you can see the value in how you use your time.

那么试问：在天国的经济体系里，时间是否宝贵资产？

So if we just say in the economy of heaven, is time a valuable asset?

当然是。

It absolutely is.

金钱是资产吗？

Money is money an asset?

这绝对是。

It absolutely is.

我们的关系，确实如此。

Our relationships, it is.

是我的礼物吗？

Are my gifts?

是的，它们是。

Yes, they are.

所以我要说，耶稣的意思是，你的心可能因金钱而变得黑暗，你的全部焦点都在金钱上，但实际上你对生命真正价值的认知是盲目的。

So I would say what Jesus is saying is that you can have your heart be darkened based upon money and your whole focus is money, but you're actually blind to the value of what life really is.

因为他接着谈到，你们的生命岂不胜于衣裳吗？

Because now he goes on and he talks about isn't your life more than clothing?

岂不胜于饮食吗？

Isn't it more than food?

岂不胜于穿戴吗？

Isn't it more than raiment?

岂不远远超越你们的肉身和肉体的享乐吗？

Isn't it more than just your physical body and the pleasures of the physical body?

你们的生命价值难道不比这些事物珍贵得多吗？

Isn't your life much more valuable than just those things?

就像他所说的，在天国的经济体系中，肉体的自然需求和世俗享乐的价值是极低的。

Like he's saying in the economy of heaven, the natural things of the body and the pleasures of life and the economy of heaven are very low.

相反，天国的经济在于你拥有的机会、时间、技能组合，以及你将如何运用这些去成就天国经济中最重要的事——我要特别强调，新约圣经明确告诉我们，那就是人际关系。

But rather the economy is that you have opportunity, that you have time, you have skill sets, and then also how are you going to use those for the things that matter most in the economy of heaven, which is, and I would say this very distinctly in the New Testament tells us it's relationships.

这关乎人。

It's about people.

耶稣是在说，你的生命关乎关系、关乎人，关乎物质上赐予你的一切，关乎你所拥有的天赋恩赐，也关乎你所拥有的时间。

So Jesus is saying your life is about relationships and it's about people and everything that's been given to you materially, everything that's been given to you in the sense of what your gifts are and everything that's been given to you in the sense of the time that you have.

如果你将这些用于神的国度，用于与人相关的事工，那么你的价值就会存留在天国。

If you utilize it for the kingdom of God in reference to people, then that is where your value is going to be stored in heaven.

哇。

Wow.

观点真棒。

What a great point.

《歌罗西书》三章二节：你们要思念上面的事。

Colossians three two, set your affections on things above.

对吧？

Right?

正因为如此，我们在地上还有多少时间？

Because of that reason, we have how much time do we have here on earth?

我们不知道。

We don't know.

对吧？

Right?

我们不知道。

We don't know.

事实上，神对我们的唯一要求就是凭信心而行，与祂建立关系同行，并且我们待人的方式要反映出祂赐予我们的恩赐该如何善用。

And really, the only thing that God requires of us is that we would walk in faith, that we would walk together with him in a relationship, and that what we do with people would reflect what the the stewardship of the gifts that he's given to us is.

那么，我们是以这样的方式在信仰中行事吗？

And, are we operating in faith that way?

我在想那个财主，他死后在阴间，看见拉撒路在亚伯拉罕的怀里。

And and I was thinking about, the rich man that died and is in, and goes to see Lazarus in the bosom of Abraham.

嗯。

Mhmm.

他耗尽一生，你知道的，聚敛财富，追求自己的奢华生活，可以这么说。

And he spent his entire life, you know, gathering wealth, gathering, catering to his own opulence, we'll say.

当他在阴间时，他望见那边，心想：哪怕指尖蘸点水凉凉我的舌头也好啊。

And when he's in the when he's in Hades and he's looking across and he's like, oh, just a dip of the finger into the water would soothe my tongue.

他愿意用毕生所积攒的一切来换取这点解脱，但他的一生从未对上帝的旨意有过这样的敬畏。

And he would exchange anything that he had done in his entire life for the relief, but his life was lived without that kind of, deference to what God's heart was.

但他完全沉浸其中，目光黯淡，只关注自己。

But he he spent it entirely with his eye darkened and consumed upon himself.

所以这就像，你知道，信心是，正如我们所说，是我们生命中最重要的东西，是天国的货币。

So this is like a you know, faith is something that's, as we would say, one of the main things in our, the currency of heaven.

你要知道，信心是从听道来的，听道是从神的话来的。

You know, faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

神的话语指引我们如何获得信心。

We are directed in the word of God how to have faith.

当我们凭信心而行时，信心要求我们从神的心意出发，在我们的投入中采取行动。

And as we walk in faith, faith requires us to initiate things from the heart of God in our investments.

我们所做之事的持久性，完全取决于我们是专注于神对某个情境的心意，还是试图为自己或肉体的利益达成某些目标。

And the durability of what we do has everything to do with whether we are focused on what God's mind is for a situation or whether we're trying to achieve something for our own benefit or our own flesh.

有些人在商业领域确实是天赋异禀，他们甚至可能以人道主义方式施与，或是成为慈善家之类的人物。

And there are people who are really gifted human beings when it comes to business and would even be maybe humanitarian in their giving or philanthropists or things like that.

但若这些不具备永恒价值，那么就如《马可福音》八章三十六节所说：人若赚得全世界，赔上自己的生命，有什么益处呢？

But that if it doesn't have eternal value, then what shall a man gain if he gains the entire world, but he loses his own soul in Mark eight thirty six?

所以这是非常耐人寻味的事。

So it's a very interesting thing.

正如我们本周主题所探讨的——当我们谈论信仰的货币与天国的货币时（抱歉打断），我们必须清楚：我们在地球上的目的是什么？

And, you know, as we as the subject this week, you know, when we're talking about currency of excuse me, the currency of faith and the currency of of heaven, it's we we've got to know, like, what is our purpose here on Earth?

我们在此究竟为何？

What are we doing here?

对吧？

Right?

否则的话，我们只是在随意消磨时间，只顾当下让我感觉良好的事，只顾我当前沉迷的事物。

What is otherwise, we're we're just spending our time haphazardly, whatever makes me feel good in the moment, whatever I'm preoccupied with.

这一切的讽刺之处在于，人们会说，你知道，我为什么要以基督徒的身份生活？

And the irony of it all is that people say, you know, why would I wanna live my life as a Christian?

多么无聊、多么不满足，或者说，你知道，你错过了所有的乐趣。

How what how boring or how unsatisfying or, you know, you're missing out on all the fun.

我们拥有最美好的日子。

We have the greatest days.

你知道吗？

You know?

想想我们在主里共度的时光。

Think about the times we have in the Lord.

那笑声，那欢乐。

The laughing, the enjoyment.

使命。

The mission.

使命。

The mission.

是的。

Yeah.

使命。

The mission.

专注。

The focus.

你有没有注意到，当你在商界打拼销售时，

Have you noticed, like, when you were selling and you're in the business world Yeah.

因为耶稣说过，你不能侍奉两个主。

That because Jesus says you can't serve two masters.

你要么侍奉玛门（金钱），要么侍奉他。

You're either going to serve mammon, you're going to serve money or you're going to serve him.

在马太福音第六章，他谈到，若你侍奉我，就无需为任何事忧虑，看看天上的飞鸟。

And in Matthew chapter six, he talks about, if you're serving me, you don't have to be anxious for anything because look at the birds of the air.

我父岂不日日为它们预备食物吗？

Doesn't my father provide food for them every single day?

如果你细想他举的这个例子，你会想：哦，那我就能像小鸟一样，只需待在鸟巢里，天父自会每日将鸟食投进我的巢中。

If you look at that example that he gives, you're thinking, oh, okay, so I can just be a bird and I can sit my bird's nest and he's the father's just going to drop bird seed into my nest every single day.

也许是一只虫子。

Maybe a worm.

但或许这个理念是：看看空中的飞鸟，我父亲每天都在喂养它们，但它们仍需外出觅食，必须亲自寻找种子，必须能够找到地里的昆虫或其他食物。

But maybe the idea is that look at the birds in the air and my father is feeding them every single day, but they have to go out and they have to actually find the seed and they have to be able to find the insects in the ground or whatever it might be.

所以，在上帝的眷顾中，并非意味着他会直接把资源送到我们手中，而我们无需付出任何努力。

So it's it's not as though in God's providence that he just drops resources in our laps and we don't have to do anything.

但他的眷顾体现在：我们工作，而通过这份工作，上帝给予供应。

But his providence works in the sense that we work and through that work, God provides.

因此我们明白，上帝就是这样照看我们的，如同他照看飞鸟一般。

So we understand that that's how God is going to take care of us like he takes care of the birds.

飞鸟必须外出觅食。

The birds have to go out and find it.

同样在职场中，我们每周工作四十小时来养家糊口。

So in the working world, we go out and we have to work forty hours a week and we provide for our family.

但这正是上帝在《腓立比书》第四章中所展现的眷顾。

But that's God in his providence, Philippians chapter four, providing for us.

问题在于，当资源本身成为主要目标时，我们的心灵就会变得昏暗。

The problem is, is that when the resources become the main objective, that's when our heart gets darkened.

我们可以看到，当金钱成为生活的首要追求时，从属灵角度看，我们的优先次序就开始颠倒。

And we can see that when money becomes the prerogative in our life, spiritually speaking, our priorities start to get flipped.

突然间，我背负着这些责任——我必须养家。

And all of a sudden, I have these responsibilities, I got to take care of my family.

我们未能意识到：我工作本身就是上帝在供应我，我可以单纯信靠并安息，相信他会赐予我一切所需。

We're not seeing as though that I'm working and that work is God providing for me and I can just trust and rest that he'll give me everything that I need.

我认为心态极其重要——虽然是我在工作，但工作是上帝赐予的，这样他才能供养我，让我完成他在天国召唤我做的事。

And I think the heart attitude is extremely important that I'm working, but God has given me the work so that he can provide for me so that I can do what he's called me to do in the kingdom of God.

是的。

Yeah.

而我的工作远不止是赚取薪水那么简单。

And my job is much bigger than just making a paycheck.

我的工作是让薪水成为上帝的供应，但无论做什么，我都是在从事天国的侍奉。

My job is that the paycheck comes God provides, but I'm in kingdom ministry with whatever I'm doing.

这会彻底改变信徒对工作和金钱的态度。

And that changes everything in a believer's life with work and with money.

完全同意。

Absolutely.

我深信不疑。

I'm convinced.

给巴里一个小销售技巧吧。

I mean, I little sales tip with Barry.

你知道，当我陷入低谷、业绩不佳时，就会开始感到焦虑。

You know, when I was on a on a rut, I was in a rut or I wasn't selling or you know, and you start to get a little bit of anxiety.

嗯。

Mhmm.

那种焦虑会像浓烈的大蒜或洋葱味一样从毛孔里散发出来。

That anxiety comes through your pores like strong garlic or onions.

嗯。

Mhmm.

说实话，就像你坐在房子里，人们能感觉到

Honestly, like you're sitting in a in a in a house and people feel

就像我能闻到

like I can smell

你身上的味道，是的，

it on you right Yes,

那叫做绝望。

That's called desperation.

我不知道那股飘过桌子的气味是那个。

I didn't know that was that waft coming across the table.

那是午餐吃的烤牛肉三明治。

That was the roast beef sandwich at lunch.

但不管怎样，你那种焦虑感是显而易见的。

But anyways, the the angst that you have is palpable.

我是说，人们会因为你对卖东西如此绝望而打消购买念头。

I mean, and people would be put off from buying something just because you're so desperate to sell something.

嗯哼。

Mhmm.

我发现，在我销售生涯的某个阶段，你必须说，你知道吗？

And I found, you know, at a certain point in my sales career that you have to say, you know what?

这一切都掌握在上帝手中。

This is all in God's hands.

我要去专注于这个人。

And I'm gonna go and I'm gonna focus on this person.

我要和这个人好好玩一玩。

I'm gonna have fun with this person.

我要装作这是我第一次做这件事。

I'm gonna act like it's the first time I've ever done this.

我只想和大家待在一起。

I'm gonna just be with people.

而上帝会如何运用这一点真是奇妙。

And it was amazing how God would use that.

真的，我认为这是因为我们的情感所寄托之处。

And and really, I think it is because of where our affections are placed.

如果我们被'我必须成功'的念头驱使，就会给人这种感觉。

And if we're if we are so driven by the fact that I have to achieve, it's gonna come across like that.

嗯。

Mhmm.

但要放松心态，明白自己没问题，知道我们有供应者，他呼召我们去做事，我们就尽力而为。

But being relaxed and knowing you're okay and knowing that we have a provider, he calls us to do something, we do it the best we can.

最终，能否成功取决于他的供应。

And then at the end of the day, it's up to him to to supply the success or not to.

对吧？

Right?

当他成就时，那将是为了他的荣耀。

And when he does, that we would be unto his glory.

明白吗？

You know?

我们本可以多么迅速地对外宣称，哦，我是最棒的。

How quickly we could be out there saying, oh, I'm the best.

我完全清楚该怎么做。

I know exactly what to do.

我知道该怎么处理这个。

I know how to do this.

有人给你指点迷津，就像你知道高尔夫球技需要练习一样。我记得高中参加高尔夫校队时，总是执意要打过那个拐角，结果不断丢球、罚杆、输掉比赛。直到有天教练告诉我：'如果你把球打到左边那片树丛外，第二杆就能轻松攻上果岭。'

A guy gives you insight, and he as you as you know with your golf game and practice, I remember being on the high school golf team and and deciding I'm gonna go over that corner every single time and losing golf balls and losing strokes and losing matches until I had a coach one day who said, you know, if you just hit it down to the left there, just beyond the trees, you'll have a clear second shot at the green.

天啊，我是不是省下了不少高尔夫球？

And boy, did I save golf balls?

我是不是省下了不少？

And did I save Not

没那么有趣了。

as much fun.

但确实没那么有趣了。

But Not as much fun.

虽然少了些英雄气概，但你知道，效果却好得多。

It was a little less heroics, but, you know, much more effective.

这些都是通过经验学到的。

And but those are things you learn through experience.

对吧？

Right?

你没必要因为丢了高尔夫球就骂自己蠢货——不过也许你确实会骂。

And you don't condemn yourself that you're such an idiot for losing the golf balls or maybe you do.

但如果他们是支持Versus的，那这些高尔夫球相当昂贵。

But if they're pro Versus, they're pretty expensive golf balls.

不过无论如何，你知道的，人生就是要不断学习。

But anyways, you're you know, just being able to learn in life.

而这正是我们与上帝之间管家职责的一部分。

And this is the part of the stewardship we have with God.

他并不期望我们完美无缺，但确实希望我们来到他面前，把挑战交给他，让他来纠正我们。

He doesn't expect us to be perfect, you know, but he does expect us to come to him and carry our challenges to him and give them to him and let him correct us.

对吧？

Right?

让他来教导我们其中的意义。

Let him let him teach us what it means.

而且，你要知道，他赐予了我们家人。

And, you know, he gives us family.

这太不可思议了。

It's amazing.

他把家人托付给我们。

Trust us with family.

他信任我这个人本身。

He trusts me with myself.

更不用说我的家人了。

Never mind my family.

而且，他还为我们指明方向，赐予我们成功的公式，这启示正在降临于我。

And, and he gives us direction and he gives us, the formula for success, which is coming to me.

对吧？

Right?

所有负重前行的你们。

All you that are heavy laden.

把你的重担交给我，我将给你安息。

Give me your burdens, and I'll give you rest.

路加福音第16章中耶稣讲了一个有趣的比喻。

There's an interesting parable that Jesus gives in Luke chapter 16.

这是他用反面例子来阐明正面道理的一个比喻，讲的是不义的管家。

It's one of these parables that he uses a bad example to bring out a good point, and it's the unjust steward.

你知道路加福音16章里那个比喻，讲的是一个不义的管家在管理主人财产时做假账，后来被主人发现，管家知道自己要失业了。

You know that parable in Luke 16 where you have this unjust steward and he's taking care of the estate of his boss and he's cooking the books and then his boss finds out and the unjust steward knows that he's going to lose his job.

于是他去找所有欠主人钱的人，跟他们达成协议。

So he goes to all the people that own or owe his boss money and he cuts a deal with them.

他知道周五就要被解雇，于是周四就出去跟这些人达成各种交易。

He knows he's going to be he knows that he's going to be fired on Friday and on Thursday he goes out and he cuts all of these deals.

在这些交易中，他对欠主人钱的人说：'我给你打五折，现在就开支票吧'。

And in those deals, what he does is that the people that owe his boss money, he says, I'll give you a 50% discount, just cut the check right now.

然后他又对另一个人说：'我给你打七五折'。

And then he goes to the other one, I'll give you a 75% discount.

就这样他基本上和所有欠主人钱的人都成了朋友。

So he basically makes friends with all of these people that owes his boss money.

那么谁吃亏了呢？

So who's losing?

老板正在失势。

The boss is losing.

谁在得势？

Who's gaining favor?

那个不义的管家。

The unjust steward.

但耶稣说他非常精明。

But Jesus says he's very shrewd.

他利用自己的职位，与欠他老板债的人交朋友。

He's using his position that he has to be able to make friends with people that owe his boss a debt.

耶稣说，作为门徒，你们需要精明地运用所拥有的，以便在进入永恒时能结交朋友。

And Jesus says, as disciples, you need to be shrewd with what you have so that you can make friends when you enter into eternity.

耶稣教导的这个原则很了不起：要善用资源，尽管这个人行事不正、不公且狡诈，实际上还让老板蒙受损失。

So that's an amazing principle that Jesus is saying, use the resources, even though this guy was doing it wrongfully and he was unjust and he was shrewd and he was actually costing his boss money.

耶稣以他为例，告诉门徒们要善用一切所有，这样当你进入永恒时，就会有朋友等候着你。

Jesus uses him as an example and says to his disciples, use everything that you have so that when you enter into eternity, you're going to have friends waiting for you.

因此在我看来，人际关系似乎是我们积攒天上财宝的首要目的——我们引领人们进入天国，这样当我们抵达时，这些人将反映出我们如何运用上帝赐予的一切，我们作为管家带领人们进入神的国。

So to me, relationships seem the primary thing that we are laying up our treasure in heaven for, that we're gaining people into the kingdom of heaven so that when we're there, those people are a reflection of how we use what God had given us and we steward them so that people could enter into the kingdom of God.

不，上帝并不偏待人，祂呼召我们与各种不同类型的人建立关系。

Well, no, God not being a respecter of persons calls us to have relationships with people of all different types.

对吧？

Right?

我一直很欣赏你父亲事工的一点是，记得以前我们有维修工人在这里干活，就在山坡上除草，你认识加里·耶茨的。

And one of the things I've always enjoyed about your dad's ministry, I remember back in the day when we had guys working here on maintenance that were just up there on the hill doing the weed eater and you know, you know Gary Yates.

加里·耶茨。

Gary Yates.

我们爱加里·耶茨。

We love Gary Yates.

我是否适合说出这个名字。

Whether I was okay saying the name.

哦，当然。

Oh, yeah.

但你知道，加里·耶茨就是那种人，他深爱上帝，行事激进。

But, you know, like Gary Yates was a guy who was just, you know, loved God, was out there radically.

来吧，宝贝。

Come on, baby.

是啊。

Yeah.

我们走。

Let's go.

懂吗？

You know?

就是那种人之一

And just one of those guys

激烈的碰拳。

Fierce fist bump.

没错。

Yeah.

永远如此。

Always.

确实如此。

Exactly.

而且刚刚工作了一百个小时，身上还带着那股气息。

And and just worked a hundred hours and and had the fragrance of that as well.

而且，你知道，当你听你父亲谈起他时，他描述得仿佛他是校园里最有灵性的人，因为他有一项使命，并且他视之为

And, and, you know, but you when you hear your dad talk about him, he talks about him like he was the most spiritual guy on campus because he had he had one job to do, and he was doing it as unto the

主啊，绝对如此。

Lord Absolutely.

始终如一，从不懈怠。

All the time without fail.

我一直看着那景象心想，这真是莫大的恩典，并非如人们所见——看看这个人。

And I just always looked at that and said, that is such a blessing that it's not, look at this guy.

他在教这门课，或是在做外展工作，或是这位传道人，或是那个身份。

He's teaching this class or he's doing this outreach or he's this preacher or he's that.

就像看着山坡上那个人，他修剪草坪都是为了荣耀上帝。

It was like, look at the guy on the hill who's cutting the grass to the glory of God.

嗯。

Mhmm.

对吧？

Right?

我认为这就像一幅美丽的画面：完全按照上帝对我们的旨意行事，百分百为主而活，看着天上的奖赏不断累积。

And I just think that that's like a, a beautiful picture of just being doing what God has for us unto the Lord a 100% and watching the rewards build up in heaven.

我确信那人在天堂的银行账户因为他对主的所作所为而爆满了。

And I'm sure that guy's bank account in heaven was overloaded just because he did that to the Lord.

是啊。

Yeah.

提姆·凯勒举了个很好的例子。

Tim Keller gives a great example.

他教会里有个从事金融行业的女士，赚了很多钱也捐了很多钱。

He had a woman who was in his church that was in the financial sector and she made a lot of money and she gave a lot of money away.

结果2008年金融危机袭来，她损失了巨额财富，而她的许多同事甚至选择了自杀。

And then 2008 hit and she lost the exorbitant amount of money and a lot of her colleagues actually committed suicide.

这位女士在提姆·凯勒的教会，她来找提姆只是想寻求一点建议。

And she was in Tim Keller's church and she came to Tim just for a little bit of counsel.

她大致是这样说的：'我这辈子可能只能赚到从前10%的收入，但这不会毁了我的生活，因为我知道上帝对我有计划。'

And she basically said, I'm going to make probably for the rest of my life 10% of what I was making before, but it's not going to ruin my life because I know God has a plan for me.

我过去常给教会大量捐款，这显然很有意义。

And I used to give a lot to the church, which was obviously beneficial.

但现在我没有能力像以前那样捐款了，但我可以付出时间。

But now I don't have the money to be able to give like I used to, but I can give my time.

她说：'我对此感到非常兴奋。'

And she said, I'm very excited about that.

她的一些同事选择结束生命，因为金钱对他们而言远不止物质财富。

Some of her colleagues took their life because their money was much more than just material wealth.

那是他们的安全感、存在感和身份认同的象征。

It was their security, their significance, their identity.

对她而言，金钱从来不是重点。

For her, the money was never that.

更重要的是，她赚了很多钱，也捐了很多钱，而且都是为了神的国度。

It was more that she made a lot of money, she gave a lot of money, and she did it for the kingdom of God.

但她说，现在我的货币是时间。

But she said, now my currency is time.

所以我希望在教会接受培训，以便能服务教会。

So I want to be trained up in the church so I can serve the church.

她对此感到兴奋。

And she was excited about it.

她的心放在了正确的位置，明白如果赚了很多钱，就该捐给教会。

Her heart was placed in the right area that she saw that if she made a lot of money, she gave it to the church.

如果没赚很多钱，她也可以把时间奉献给教会。

If she didn't make a lot of money, she could give her time to the church.

这一切都是为了能够赢得人心。

And the whole thing was to be able to win people.

我想说，当我们的心为神的国度对齐，先求神的国时，我们的身份就会越来越像基督的形象。

I would say that when our heart is aligned for the kingdom of God, seek first the kingdom of God, our identity is being transformed more and more into the image of Christ.

所以我们会变得更像基督。

So we're going to be more like Christ.

就像基督当年在世上那样。

Like Christ was on the earth.

他是如何度过他的时间的？

How did he spend his time?

他是如何运用他的资源的？

How did he use his resources?

我们将越来越被塑造成那个形象。

We're going to be conformed more and more into that image.

这自然会产生一个结果：当我们拥有很多时，我们就能给予很多。

And it's just going to be the outflow that if we have a lot, we can give a lot.

即使我们拥有的很少，我们也能付出大量时间或其他任何力所能及的。

If we have a little, we can give a lot of our time or whatever it might be.

我们就是要活出基督的样式。

We're just going to be acting out who Christ is.

是的。

Yeah.

当我们到达天堂时，关于在天堂获得永恒奖赏或积攒财宝在天上的概念，都与我们的圣洁息息相关。

And when we get to heaven, the idea of eternal reward in heaven or laying our treasure up in heaven is tied to our holiness.

我很喜欢这个画面。

And I like the picture.

乔纳森·爱德华兹曾宣讲过一篇精彩的讲道，其中谈到了永恒的奖赏。

Jonathan Edwards preached an amazing sermon where he talked about eternal reward.

他在那篇讲道中说，你在天上的奖赏将基于你在基督里的圣洁、成熟或成圣程度。

And he what he said in that sermon was your heavenly reward is going to be based upon your holiness or your maturity or sanctification in Christ.

这将取决于你能够享受上帝同在的能力。

And it's going to be based upon your capacity to be able to enjoy who God is.

我特别喜欢这个画面，因为我认为它是真实的，毕竟圣经并没有详细说明在天堂的座位具体是什么，那些奖赏究竟会以什么形式呈现。

And I love this picture because I think it's it's true because the Bible doesn't give us a ton of clarity about being a seat and what those rewards are actually going to be.

这不是说我们要拥有王冠或豪宅之类的东西。

It's not going to be that we, you know, we have a crown or we have a big mansion or any of those things.

而是关乎我们是谁以及我们的能力。

It's going to be who we are and what our capacity is.

爱德华并没有用这个比喻，这是我自己的比喻。

And what Edward says is that he doesn't use this metaphor, but this is my own metaphor.

就像我之前讲道时说过，如果一个人有100个味蕾，他品尝食物时的享受是有限的。

If you have, and I've said this in messages before, but if you have someone who has a 100 taste buds and they eat food, they enjoy the food to a certain capacity.

但如果一个人有10000个味蕾，他品尝同样的食物时，享受的程度会更高。

But if someone has 10,000 taste buds, they enjoy the same food, but they enjoy it in a higher capacity.

你在永恒中的奖赏将取决于你在基督里的成熟程度。

Your eternal reward is going to be based upon your maturity of who you are in Christ.

这将赋予你更强的能力，让你能以更完满的方式反映并享受上帝的圣洁。

And that is going to give you more of an ability to be able to reflect and enjoy the holiness of God to a fuller capacity.

耶稣说的是：要把财宝积攒在天上，效法基督的样式。

What Jesus is saying, lay your treasure up in heaven, be conformed to the image of Christ.

当你效法基督的样式时，你就会把所有资源都用于神的国度。

When you're conformed to the image of Christ, you're gonna use all your resources for the kingdom.

当你这样做时，正如哥林多后书第三章所说，你会越来越被塑造成基督的形象。

And when you're doing that, you're being transformed more and more, second Corinthians three, into the image of Christ.

你正凝视着那荣光。

You're gazing into the glory.

所以当你到达天堂时，你将能够真正享受与祂同在的喜乐。

So when you get to heaven, you're gonna be able to enjoy him.

他就是那珍宝。

He is the treasure.

这不是豪宅。

It's not a mansion.

这不是王冠。

It's not a crown.

并不是说我会像比别人更亮的LED灯泡那样被照亮。

It's not like I'm gonna be illuminated like a brighter LED light bulb more than somebody else.

而是我将能用一千只耳朵而非十只来聆听交响乐。

It's gonna be that I'm going to be able to hear a symphony with a thousand ears rather than 10.

我喜欢这个说法。

I love it.

这将更加充盈我，使我能够通过体验的愉悦在天国以更高程度敬拜祂。

That is going to fill me even more so, so that I'll be able to worship him at a higher degree in heaven through the enjoyment of my experience.

这就是我的奖赏。

That's my reward.

哇。

Wow.

多美的结尾方式啊，让我们思考天国真正的货币。

What a beautiful way to draw a conclusion to our show today, thinking about the real currency of heaven.

对吧？

Right?

正如你解释的，这就是天国真正的货币。

And this is just what you explained, the real currency of heaven.

而且，我们在天上积攒财宝。

And, we store up treasures in heaven.

我们认为，我们在地球上所做的选择，对这一切如何发生、我们有多少耳朵、有多少灵性味蕾有着重大影响。

We think that those the choices that we make here on Earth have a a great bearing on how that happens and how many ears we have and how many spiritual taste buds we have.

对吧？

Right?

地球上的人们追求权力。

People on Earth look for power.

他们追求名望。

They look for popularity.

他们追求特权。

They look for privilege.

他们追求这一切，而我们深信我必须衰微，好叫他得以兴旺。

They look for all these things, and we're convinced that I must decrease, that he may increase.

我们深信自己凭信心而行，因为上帝视为有价值、圣洁且永恒的事物，与这世间的标准截然不同。

We are convinced that I walk by faith because what God counts as worthy and holy and durable is something completely different than this world counts.

终有一天我们将直面祂，真正明白其价值所在。

And we are going to be there one day face to face with him and understand the value.

而我认为恩典之美妙在于，我们甚至不自知。

And I think the beautiful thing about grace is that we don't even know.

我们甚至...我们做这些事只因它充满乐趣。

We don't even we we we do it because it's fun.

我们这样做是因主的呼召，同时也在其中获得极大的喜乐。

We do it because the Lord called us to do it, but also we have a great time doing it.

我们以那种方式灵魂交融。

We soul in that way.

我们以那种方式进行传教之旅。

We go on mission trips that way.

我们正玩得很开心。

We're having a good time.

我们在欢笑。

We're laughing.

我们乐在其中。

We enjoy it.

最后，我们并没有感叹，哇。

At the end, we're we're not going, wow.

我完成了那次宣教之旅，因为那正是上帝当时要我做的事。

I accomplished that mission trip because it was exactly what God wanted me to do for that time.

我们感觉，天啊，我们玩得太开心了。

We're like, man, we had a blast.

我还想再来一次。

I wanna do that again.

嗯哼。

Mhmm.

但总有一天我们会在天堂相见，面对面地见证那些岁月的美好，体验因我们单纯追随他的脚步、为他行事而成就的上帝事工的丰盛，我们将看到一个永恒的价值体系。

But we're gonna see one day in heaven when we get to see face to face and we get to experience with all those years how the beauty of that time and the the opulence of God's ministry that happened as a result of us just simply following in his footsteps and doing things as unto him, and we're gonna see an eternal value system.

所以，各位，就是这样。

So, folks, that's it.

那是天堂的货币。

That's the currency of heaven.

这是本周广播的第一步，我希望你们能继续收听本周的节目，我们将听到更多内容，并有机会通过信仰与上帝同行，体验现在被储存在永恒中的意义，了解他所珍视的，而非我们所看重的。

That's that's step one of this week's, broadcast, and I hope that you'll tune in for the rest of the week, that we'll get to hear more and that we have the opportunity by faith to walk with God and to have an experience about what it means now to be stored up in eternity, what he sees as valuable, not as we do.

阿门。

Amen.

愿上帝保佑你们。

So God bless you.

请在同一时间、同一频道再次加入我们。

Join us again same time, the same station.

如果你在附近，欢迎参加周日上午、周日晚间和周三晚间的教堂礼拜，就在Fed Hill的大教堂这里。

If you're in the area, hop in, be at church service Sunday morning, Sunday evening, Wednesday evening, Fed Hill, right here on the big church.

来加入我们吧。

Come and join us.