第594期 | 神是至高无上的……所以我能信靠

现在不是害怕的时候。

This is no time for fear.

现在不是空谈的时候，而是需要信念和决心的时候。

No time for this is a time for faith and determination.

别在这里失去了远见。

Don't lose the vision here.

被情绪所左右。

Carried away by emotion.

坚守你心中珍藏的一切。

Hold on to all that you hide in your heart.

有一件事始终是真实的。

There's one thing that's always been true.

它维系着这一切。

It holds the word together.

上帝掌管一切。

God is in control.

本周在《恩典时刻》节目中，我们讨论的是上帝。

We're talking about God is this week on the Grace Hour show.

本播客来自巴尔的摩大恩典教会的现场直播。

This, podcast is coming to you live from the home of Greater Grace Church in Baltimore.

我是史蒂夫·安德拉诺尼斯牧师。

I'm pastor Steve Andralonis.

今天我将引导我们的讨论。

I'll be guiding our discussion today.

我们谈论的是上帝的主权，因此我们信靠他。

We're talking about God is sovereign, and so we trust him.

我刚才说的这些话出自一首较老的当代基督教歌曲。

And those words that I just spoke are from a older song, older contemporary Christian song.

提拉·巴黎在1993年演唱了这首歌《上帝掌权》。

Twila Paris sang it 1993, God is in control.

我们相信，他的儿女必不被撇下。

And we believe that his children will not be forsaken.

上帝在掌权。

God is in control.

这正是副歌部分的表达方式。

That's the way the chorus sort of goes.

上帝的主权、上帝掌管一切，这一观念贯穿整本圣经。

And this idea of God's sovereignty, God being in charge is something that's throughout the Bible.

你知道，在诗篇115章3节说：上帝随己意行事。

And, you know, we know in Psalm one fifteen verse three, it says, God does as he pleases.

所以，这可能是你内心挣扎的问题。

So this is maybe something that you wrestle with.

上帝在掌权这一事实。

The fact that God is in control.

如果祂在掌权，为什么那么多混乱的事情似乎在发生？

And if He's in control, why do so many chaotic things seem to happen?

如果上帝在掌权，为什么这个人领导这个国家，那个人领导那个国家，这个女人掌管这里？

If God was in control, why is this guy leading this country and this guy leading that country and this woman in charge here?

那么，上帝掌权这一切究竟意味着什么？

And, you know, what does it all mean that God is in control?

也许你因为上帝的主权这个宏大主题而难以信任，这确实是个难题。

And, you know, maybe you struggle with trust issues because, you know, the sovereignty of God is a big a big subject.

这里有一个简单的定义。

Here's a simple definition.

这是来自约翰·派珀的说法。

This is from John Piper.

能够超越并支配所有其他权柄的能力。

Extent of being able to override all other powers and authorities.

沙勒牧师，您认同这个说法吗？

Pastor Schaller, would you agree with that statement?

当然认同。

Absolutely.

就是这样。

There you go.

是的

Yeah.

我的意思是，这清楚又简单。

I mean, it's clear and simple.

神对事物有权威吗？

Does God have the authority over things?

我认为，我们圣经里有一本伟大的书，就是约伯记，讲述了一个正在受苦、经历困境的人。

And I think, you know, we have a great book in the Bible, the book of Job, a person who is suffering and experiencing things.

在这场漫长的试炼达到高潮时，我们并不确切知道约伯的试炼持续了多久。

And at the climax of this long trial, we don't know exactly how long it went on for Job.

最终，约伯回应主说：我知道你万事都能做，你的旨意不能拦阻。

At the end, Job answered the Lord and said, I know that you can do everything and that no thought can be withheld from you.

你知道，神能做一切，神也知道在我们意识到之前，我们心中所想的一切。

And, you know, God can do anything and God also knows what thoughts are being thought before we even know them.

但主权的概念和信靠神的概念，就像我们圣经中一个我们现在亟需理解的类别。

But the idea of sovereignty and the idea of trusting God, it's like it's, you know, it's a it's a category in our Bibles that we that we need now.

你知道吗，当你思考这个问题时，可能会想到某节经文。

You know, maybe you have a verse you land on when you're thinking about that.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

一直如此。

All the time.

当我想到法老的心被刚硬时，我会想到罗马书9章19节，那么对应的疑问就是：如果上帝使法老的心刚硬，谁还能抗拒祂的主权呢？自由意志又在哪里？

I have Romans nine nineteen when it talks about Pharaoh's heart being hardened, then the counter to that would be, well, who could resist God's sovereignty if he hardens Pharaoh's heart, then where is the free will?

这个论点是一个理性而合逻辑的论证，但使徒保罗却回应说：‘你必对我说：这样，祂为什么还指责人呢？有谁抗拒祂的旨意呢？’

And that argument is a rational logical argument, but it's countered by the Apostle Paul saying, Thou will say then unto me, why does he find fault for who has resisted his will?

让我准确地说出来，因为这句话不在我现在读的这本书里。

And then, let me get it exactly right because it's not in this book I'm reading right there.

接下来是第20节：‘你这个人哪，你是谁，竟敢向神强嘴呢？’这是一句责备：‘你这个人哪，你是谁，竟敢向神强嘴呢？’

The follow-up is verse 20, Nay, but oh man, this is a rebuke, Nay, but oh man, who are you that reply against God?

你有什么资格质疑祂的主权？

Who are you to speak against His sovereignty?

祂随己意而行。

He does whatever He pleases.

祂在天上，随己意而行，就是你刚才引用的诗篇100:15:3。

He is in heaven and He does whatever He pleases, Psalm 100 fifteen:three which you just quoted.

那么，关于自由意志的论点是：如果这样，自由意志又在哪里？

And then the argument regarding that is, well then what about free will?

于是使徒保罗说：‘不然，你这个人哪，你是谁，竟敢与神顶嘴？’

And then the writer Paul says, Nay, but oh man, who are you to reply against God?

受造之物岂能对造它的说：‘你为什么这样造我呢？’

Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, why have you made me thus?

窑匠难道没有权柄从一团泥里拿一块做成贵重的器皿，又拿一块做成卑贱的器皿吗？

Hath not the potter power over the clay of the same to make one vessel unto honor another unto dishonor.

所以保罗既在捍卫神的主权，也在谈论我们对主权应有的态度。

So there's Paul defending sovereignty and also our attitude about sovereignty.

我认为这里有两个主题。

I think we have two themes here.

一个是主权是什么，以及我对它的态度是什么？

One is what is sovereignty and what is my attitude about it?

是的。

Yeah.

这基本上就是它的意思。

That's basically what it's saying.

上帝就是上帝，就是这样。

God is God is this.

你知道，这一周我们一直在探讨这些问题。

You know, throughout the week, we've been addressing these questions.

上帝就是如此。

God is this.

所以我们信靠祂。

So we trust him.

这就是我们的立场。

So that's what our thing is.

神是至高无上的。

God is sovereign.

所以我们信靠他。

So we have trust in trust in him.

你知道，我们总是如此。

You know, we always go.

我们常常陷入关于预定和拣选的争论，这些术语是宗教改革时期由约翰·加尔文等人提出的，他们其实是在用《罗马书》来阐述神在生命中至高统治的观念。

I think we get into those arguments about predestination election, these terms that were introduced during the Reformation period, John Calvin, others were talking about this idea really using the book of Romans, which is really talking about the overarching rule of God in all of life.

特别是保罗在头三章中指出，每个人都需要被更新，经历重生。

Paul is saying in those first three chapters in particular, the need of every person to become transformed in a way to be born again.

他并没有在《罗马书》中使用这些术语，但耶稣用过。

He doesn't use those terms in Romans, but Jesus did.

你必须重生，才能看见神的国。

You must be born again in order to see the kingdom of God.

我想这就是所谓的：信靠到底意味着什么？我们自己的自由又意味着什么？我们该如何看待神？

And I guess that's the the idea of like, you know, what does it mean to trust and what does it mean to have our own freedom and, how do we see God?

在我看来，这些词与其说是争战的术语，不如说是用来安慰人的，你知道，在教会历史上，比如约翰·卫斯理就持某种观点。

Like, it seems to me that these things are instead of battle words, you know, we know that there's been like, you know, throughout church history, like John Wesley in particular was of a certain persuasion.

而另一个人，查尔斯·西缅以及其他一些人，则对拣选和预定、以及我们是否能确信自己的救恩持有不同的看法。

And another man, Charles Simeon and others, were of another persuasion about election and predestination and whether we could be secure in our salvation.

上帝是至高的，我们被拣选得救，这些词本应是带来安慰的，而不是用来划清战线的。

And the idea of God being sovereign and us being elected unto salvation is like these are words for comfort, not words for drawing up battle lines.

我认为，我们常常把安慰的话变成了冲突。

And I think that's the, you know, we take a word of comfort and turn it into conflict.

在神学圈子里，这种争论到底有多少呢？

And how much is going on over here in the theological circles?

你知道，如果你拿这个词这样分析，研究它的原文，追溯到早期教父，层层构建起来，那你怎么说呢？

Well, you know, if you take this word and you dissect it this way and you look at this original language and you go back to this early church father and you build this all all, you know, what say ye?

而另一个人则说：凡愿意的都可以来，凡呼求主名的就必得救。

And the other guy is saying that whosoever will may come, you know, whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

是的。

Yeah.

但你觉得呢？我只是想说，我们这样说的时候，我喜欢你提到的这个画面。

But what about, you know, so I'm just saying we're saying like, you know, I like that picture that you've said.

我觉得在《汤普森链式圣经》的附录里有这么个东西，你见过吗？

And I think it's in the back of like a it's it's a I think there's like a like a in the back of a Thompson Chain Bible, there's this little have you ever seen that?

就像在书后有一堵砖墙，你之前用过、画过这个图。

Like, sort of like a brick wall that's built there in the back of the and it shows like you've used that, you've drawn that picture before.

凡愿意的都可以来，但当你进来时，你会意识到自己是被拣选和预定的。

Whosoever will may come, but when you come in, you realize that you are elected and predestined.

但你直到真正选择跨过这道门时，才会真正明白这一点。

But you don't really know it until you like choose to walk through the door.

上帝对我们的所作所为都有祂的旨意和计划，这是一件令人安慰的事。

So the idea that God having his his will over his will and purpose over all that we do and say and and is like is a comforting thing.

这是一件令人安慰的事，它的设计本意是建立我们的信心，而不是制造冲突，对吧？

It's a comforting thing and it's designed for it to build trust in us rather than to create a conflict, right?

是的，非常好。

Yeah, very well.

非常好，说得很好。

Very good, well said.

拣选，我的意思是，我们讨论的是加尔文主义或极端加尔文主义与亚米念主义之间，关于自由意志与主权的标准争论。

Election, I mean, what we're talking about is the standard debate between a Calvinist or a hyper Calvinist and an Armenian and free will versus sovereignty.

但我喜欢你刚才说的，耶稣说：‘我拣选了你们，我拣选了你们’，这在约翰福音15章里。

But I like what you just said that when Jesus said, I have chosen you, I have chosen you, so in John 15.

所以人们对此感到困惑，但我们能把它当作一种安慰吗？

So people struggle with that, but can we use it as comforting?

我们能否意识到，一定是神呼召了我？

Can we realize it must be that God has called me?

我们能否在不陷入基于逻辑的神学争论的情况下，向人们传达这一点？

And can we teach that to people without stumbling into some theological debate based in logic?

但让我们更深入地探讨圣餐。

But let's go deeper into communion.

圣餐中有逻辑，但还有更多东西——直抵心灵的个人话语，你知道，那些超越纯粹理性的言语。

And communion is logic, there is logic in the communion, but there's something more, personal words that go to your heart, you know, words that go beyond just pure reason.

关于主权，还有另一个方面是我们必须意识到的，那就是上帝的计划在历史中逐步展开。

There's another part about sovereignty that I think we have to realize and that is that there is an unfolding in history of God's plan.

无论你谈论的是哪个世纪，都要明白上帝在历史中掌权，而历史确实在朝着某个方向前进。

And whether you're talking about what century you're talking about to realize that God is sovereign in history and history is actually going somewhere.

它正朝着基督的第二次降临前进。

It's going toward the second coming of Christ.

这一切都由天庭掌管。

And that is managed by heaven.

天庭对世界上发生的一切拥有最终的主权。

Heaven has the ultimate authority for what happens in the world.

我们常常只关注自己生活的微观细节，比如：我为什么爆胎了？

Many times we are in micro viewing our own lives, know, why did I get a flat tire?

我为什么没得到那份工作？

You know, why didn't I get that job?

为什么那个女人没有嫁给我？

Why didn't that woman marry me?

为什么我的孩子生来就有残疾？

And why was my child born with a disability?

上帝的主权、历史的展开及其走向，您想对牧师说些什么吗？

The sovereignty of God and the unfolding of history and where it is going, would you like to say something about Pastor?

您是说上帝允许并引导着事物发展的过程吗？

The way that God is you mean the way that God is allowing and guiding the progression of things?

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

这对我们来说是个奥秘。

It's a mystery to us.

这，你知道，对我们来说是个巨大的奥秘，事情为什么会以这种方式发展。

It's, you know, it's a great mystery to us that, you know, that there's that things progress the way they do.

我们看不到背后的一切。

Don't see the thing behind everything.

我们知道，是的，最终将要发生的事就是耶稣再次降临。

We know that, yeah, this is the ultimate event that will happen is when Jesus returns again.

你知道，我们刚刚庆祝了其中一个终极事件——圣诞节。

You know, we had the one ultimate event, Christmas, that we just celebrated.

耶稣成为了一个普通人，以人的身份生活。

Jesus became a human being, lived as a human being.

我认为，我们与基督的关系或许能帮助我们形成一个观念。

And I think our relationship to Christ maybe should help us form an idea.

我们，你知道，你在教导《希伯来书》，你已经几次提到过，比如在十二月早期，我们讨论过他因所受的苦难而学习了顺服。

We, you know, we're teaching you're teaching Hebrews and you've gotten to that place a couple of times where, you know, early in the teaching in December, we were talking about like he learned obedience by the things that he suffered.

这是一个概念，即使基督作为人，也必须学习顺服。

And it's a concept that that even Christ in in in the person as a human being had to learn obedience.

我们知道，根据《启示录》，羔羊在创世之前就被杀死了，那就是神的羔羊，基督。

And, you know, there was a fulfillment we know from Revelation that the lamb was slain before the foundation of the world, that the lamb of God who is Christ.

所以我们知道，这是一项早已确定的旨意和计划，然后圣子便取了肉身。

So we know that that was a determination and a counsel that was settled upon, and then the son would take on flesh and bone.

所以我们知道，创造万物的子如今按照祂所造的一切而活。

So we know that the son who made all things now lives according to everything that He made.

这包括重力、饥饿，以及祂所经历的痛苦和苦难。

So that includes gravity, that includes hunger, that includes the pain and suffering that He had.

因此，祂通过所受的苦学会了，你知道，什么是像我们一样的感受。

So He learned, you know, through the things that he suffered, he learned what it was like to be like us.

而最终，你知道，我们现在所期待的终极事件就是：事情将如此终结。

And then the ultimate that, you know, now there's the ultimate thing that we're looking to is that this is the way this is the way things are going to end.

我喜欢《钦定版圣经》中诗篇119篇的经文。

I love the verse in the King James, Psalm 119.

我认为是这一节，不是165节，而是诗篇119篇。

I think it's one, it's not 165, but it's Psalm 119.

经文说，诗篇作者说：我见过一切完美的结局。

It says where the psalmist says, I have seen the end of all perfection.

并非所有译本都这样表达，但我喜欢这个版本，因为我认为这正是上帝赐予我们的记录，告诉我们事情的终局。

Doesn't say it that way in all versions, but I love that version because I think that's, you know, God has given us the record of the record of where things are going.

你知道，我们每天可能都会做决定。

You know, we may not day to day, we make decisions.

我们有自由。

We have freedom.

我们需要运用智慧。

We have we have to use wisdom.

我们必须，你知道，要像箴言那样，做出这样的选择。

We have to, you know, we have to we have to be proverbial, you know, to say that we have to make choices that way.

但归根结底，这种看见，就像那位著名的C。

And but, you know, ultimately, this this seeing this, you know, like the the famous C.

S。

S.

刘易斯的名言所说，那些心系天上的，反而是做最多地上善事的人，因为他们知道这一切的结局。

Lewis quote that, you know, those who are heavenly minded, you know, are the ones who do the most earthly good because they know where this is going.

所以，你知道，这就像知道上帝已经做出了决定。

And so we're, you know, that is sort of like knowing that God has made a determination.

他在某种程度上向我们揭示了他的旨意。

He has revealed his determination to us on a certain level.

这给了我们一种能力，去信任他，也去信任那些根据圣经所作的决定。

And that gives us sort of an ability to trust him and to trust, you know, to to trust the decisions that we make according to the scriptures.

我认为这是因为我们知道圣经的走向，也知道从永恒到永恒的计划走向。

That's the way I think that because we know where the scriptures are going and we know where the plan of the ages is going from eternity to eternity.

因为我们从圣经中看到这些，就能明白我们今天所作的决定，最终会贡献于上帝将为我们的星球带来的终极现实。

Because we see that in the Bible, then we can know that the decisions we make today will ultimately contribute to that ultimate reality that God will bring to our planet.

嗯。

Mhmm.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

想到上帝在考验我们，我们就有了亚伯拉罕献上儿子的例子。

To think of God testing us, so here we have Abraham offering up his son.

在神的主权下，神无所不知且是神，当祂呼召亚伯拉罕时，祂是否早已知道亚伯拉罕会怎么做、如何信靠祂、如何信赖祂？

In God's sovereignty, God knowing all things and God being God, when he called Abraham, did he actually know what Abraham would do and how Abraham would believe him and Abraham would trust him?

是的，因为祂知道一切。

Yes, because he knows all things.

但即便如此，这并不削弱亚伯拉罕接受考验并通过考验的价值。

But still it doesn't negate the value of Abraham being tested and passing the test.

当然，祂知道，同时也能够赋予人力量，能够引导他们，然后你就有了自由意志的层面。

Of course, knew and He also is able to empower somebody, He's able to lead them and then you have the free will element.

但关键是，在人生的方方面面，都有一个至高的神在背后掌权，祂正在成就祂的旨意，同时允许拥有自由意志的人做出有重要意义的决定。

But the point is that in all of life, you have a sovereign God behind everything and He's accomplishing His purposes, but he's allowing people with free will to make decisions that have value.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

因此我认为，圣经中的所有书卷都很重要，但当我们读到圣经中被称为智慧文学的这部分时，我觉得它以约伯记开头特别重要。

And that's why I think, you know, all the books of the Bible are important, but when we get to that that space in our Bible that they call wisdom literature, I think it's really important that it starts with Job.

我们之所以被引入这一点，是因为我认为《约伯记》是一部更古老的文献，一个更古老的故事，源自创世记和摩西五经的时代。

We are introduced to because I think, you know, Job is an older manuscript, an older story, you know, from the time of Genesis and the books of Romans and the books of Moses, rather, the books of Moses.

我认为，当我们读到这本书的开头，在约伯抱怨和与困境挣扎之前，我们得以掀开帷幕，看到幕后正在发生的事。

And I think, you know, telling people, you know, where God that we get in the in the in the beginning of that book, before we get to Job's complaining and wrestling with this situation, we get the we get the the curtain pulled back on on what's going on behind the scenes.

你知道，那里有一个魔鬼。

You know, there is a devil.

他是一个控告者。

He is an accuser.

那里明确称他为撒但。

He's called Satan right there.

他被称为控告者。

He's called the accuser.

他并没有被称为路西法。

He's not called Lucifer.

他被称为控告者。

He's called the accuser.

他早已以这种方式显明了自己。

He's already manifested himself as that way.

他指控上帝，说上帝给约伯设置了如此严密的保护，一旦这保护消失，约伯就会诅咒他。

He's accusing God of, like, putting such a protection around Job that if that protection was gone, then Job would curse him.

然后，这句话的后半部分非常重要。

Then the second part of that phrase is really important.

约伯说，上帝，他必须承认上帝是主。

Says Job says, God, he says, Lord, you know, he has to recognize that he is Lord.

他说，如果你把这一切从约伯身上拿走，他会当面诅咒你，这正体现了我们与主之间、主与我们之间的这种关系。

And he says, you know, if you take this away from Job, he's going to curse you to his face, which is like this is like showing this relationship that we have between the Lord and between, you know, the Lord between us.

我认为，这是一个伟大的奥秘；即使撒旦能理解许多事，但他无法理解上帝与人之间关系中的某些东西。

And this is, I think, a great a great mystery for I don't think as much as Satan can understand things, there's something he cannot understand within the relationship between God and man.

那么，上帝为何允许这些事发生？为什么上帝容许约伯经历这一切？

And like the reason God allows these, you know, why did God allow Job to go through this?

我认为，双方都存在信任问题。

I think there's trust issues going both ways.

上帝信任约伯，相信约伯是一个正直、远离恶事、并与他常相沟通的人。

God trusted Job and believed that Job was a man who was blameless and eschewed evil and a man who was in constant conversation with him.

所以他才说，允许这一切发生在约伯身上，我可以亲眼见证他战胜魔鬼，以及魔鬼企图让他咒诅我的计划。

So he's saying, can allow this to happen to him, and I can watch him defeat the devil and the devil's plan to have him curse me.

你知道，这并不意味着它一定会发生。

You know, that doesn't mean that it may.

但关键是，我想我们读到的这40章、42章经文，其中大量内容，我想说的是，抱怨与赞美之间是什么关系？

But the thing is, I think the 40 chapters that we read there, 42 chapters that we read, multitude of them, I would say probably, you know, what is the the relation of complaint to, you know, praise?

抱怨与赞美之间的关系，我认为大约是十比一。

The relation of complaint to praise, and that I think goes probably about 10 to one.

你不这么认为吗？

Don't you think?

我的意思是，这是一种非常人性化的标准，你不觉得吗？

I mean, that's a very human standard, don't you think?

我的意思是，因为我们所有的媒体渠道，本质上都是为了放大抱怨而建立的。

I I mean, because, you know, all of the media outlets that we have are built to really Complaints.

把抱怨倒向我们。

Shovel complaints to us.

是的。

Yes.

但偶尔你还是会看到一些非常感人的真人真事，关于某人如何取得胜利。

But there's very you know, every now and then you get that very great human interest story about someone who triumphed.

你知道的？

You know?

是的，真的。

Yeah, really.

我想这就是为什么，你知道，比如在一场冠军体育比赛结束时，麦克风如此重要，因为运动员意识到他的运动能力是一种恩赐。

I think that's why, you know, maybe, you know, like when we get that's why I think the microphone at the end of a championship sports game is so important because the athlete recognizes that his physical standing was a gift.

他能够参加这场比赛，这本身就是一种恩赐。

The fact that he was able to play this game is a gift.

比赛有规则，你知道的，比如只要我跨过那条线，就能得到这么多分。

The fact that the game has rules, you know, that if I get across that line, I get so many points.

如果我把球射进那个球门的角落。

If I put it in the corner of that goal.

当运动员拿到麦克风时，他说：我赞美主。

And then when the athlete gets the microphone in his face, he says, I praise the Lord.

你知道，他做出了那些决定。

It's like, you know, you know, he made those decisions.

他完成了那些事情。

He made those things.

我觉得，就像那些抱怨一样，这个想法，约伯记是一本非常真实的书，就像传道书一样真实。

It's like, you know, I think that's, you know, like the complaints, the idea, you know, that and Job is a very real book, just like Ecclesiastes is a very real real book.

你知道吗？

You know?

在它们之间，你有诗篇、祷告、哀歌，以及诗篇中贯穿始终的哀歌。

In between them, you have, you know, Psalms and prayers and laments and songs of lament throughout the Psalms.

然后你有箴言，智慧的思考。

And then you have Proverbs, wise thinking.

然后你又回到这样的想法：如果你有这么多思绪，发现自己像约伯一样，再读传道书，可能会陷入大量思绪，觉得这一切似乎不公平。

And then you come back to like, okay, what if you have all these thoughts and you find yourself someone like Job and then you Ecclesiastes, you might be spinning out like a lot of thoughts, like it just doesn't seem fair.

但这一切都存在于神的话语中，是为我们预备的。

But all of that is in our is in the Word of God for us.

对吧？

Right?

神以祂的主权赐下这些，让我们有东西可以思考、默想和揣摩。

God gave it to us in sovereignty so that we would have something to think about, meditate about and consider.

我很喜欢。

I love it.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yes.

我不知道。

I don't know.

我的意思是，传道书说得非常好。

I mean, Ecclesiastes says it very well.

我说，在顺境的日子里，是的，要庆祝。

I said in the day of prosperity, yep, celebrate.

在逆境的日子里，要思考，对吧？

In the day of adversity, think, right?

是的，要思考，没错，要深思。

Yeah, think, that's right, consider.

对。

Yes.

你提到了上帝在苦难中的主权。

So you touched on the sovereignty of God in regards to suffering.

比如说，有人今天得了癌症或某种长期困扰的疾病，正在医院里问：为什么这事会发生在我的身上？

So let's say somebody has a cancer today or some plaguing sickness and they're in the hospital saying, Why has this happened to me?

我们会说，上帝是全能的，世上发生的一切都离不开祂。

And we would say, God is Almighty Almighty and there's nothing that could happen on the earth without him.

耶稣说，没有上帝的允许，一只鸟不会从树上掉下来。

A bird could not fall out of the tree without God, Jesus said.

他还说，你头上的每一根头发都被数过了。

And then he said also, but the hairs on your head are numbered.

是的。

Yeah.

所以你遇到一件悲剧的事，比如鸟从树上掉下来，我的意思是，他想表达的是，坏事、死亡会发生，但你头上的头发却被数过了。

So you have a tragic thing, a bird falling out of a tree, you know, I mean, that's his meaning that something bad, death happens and then but the hairs on your head are numbered.

是的。

Yeah.

因此，他是至高的，但他也是智慧的、有大能的、全知的。

So he is sovereign, but he's also wise, he's powerful, he knows all things.

没有全能的上帝允许，任何事都不会发生在我们身上。

Nothing could happen to us without Almighty God.

是的。

Yeah.

所以这应当促使我们与神建立一种极其肃穆的关系，这种关系中或许会有抱怨。

So so that that should draw us to a very sober relationship and that can be complaining.

我们在诗篇中读到过这些内容，但要把你的抱怨向神倾诉，我认为是诗篇144章1节。

And we read those in the Psalms, but make your complaint unto God, I think it's Psalm 144 verse one.

我的意思是，抱怨要有所节制，不要太过分，但要现实一点，你可以向神这样倾诉。

I mean, complaining, get a grip on that, don't be overly, don't do it too much, but be realistic, you can do that with God.

但你最终应当降服于谦卑、顺服和交托神的主权，求祂的恩典，信靠祂，或保持沉默。

But you should land somewhere in the place of humility and surrender and yielding to the sovereignty of God and ask for his grace and trust in him or be quiet.

不要求任何东西，只需顺服祂，经历祂为你所命定的一切。

Don't ask for anything, but just be submitted to Him and go through what He has ordained for you.

然后，经上说，我的恩典够你用的。

And then, you know, He said in the word that my grace is sufficient.

我

I

知道

know

这些话说起来容易，但真正活出来却是另一回事。

these are easy things to say, it's another thing to really live them.

哥林多前书10章13节说，总会有出路，但那可能不是我所期望的方式。

First Corinthians ten thirteen, but there is a way of escape, but it might not be the way that I prefer.

我喜欢从床上起来，走出医院。

I like to get up out of the bed and walk out of the hospital.

确实如此。

That's true.

你知道，这正是我们所有人都想要的。

You know, that's what we all want.

但总会有出路，只是可能和你想的不一样。

But there is a way of escape, it may be different from that.

也许祂的恩典会在医院里与你同在。

It may be that His grace will be with you in the hospital.

也许祂命定你要在那里，为的是成就祂自己的旨意。

It might be that He's ordained for you to be there for His own purposes.

我们并不知道这些是什么。

And we don't we don't know what they are.

我们渴望了解，但就像约伯一样，他最终信靠了神。

We are longing to know, but just like with Job, he he ended up trusting in God.

是的。

Yeah.

他最终得到了巨大的祝福，你知道，约伯所确认的是：我从前只是听闻你，现在我亲眼看见你。

And he ended up with, you know, I mean, the the big blessing that that Job confirmed there was I used to know you this way, but now I see you this way.

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

我们知道，约伯在某个时刻确实知道救赎者活着。

And we know that, you know, we know that Job knew that the Redeemer lived at a certain point.

正如我所说，你看到他一连串的抱怨，非常真实而坦诚。

Like I said, you get his run of complaints, which is very real and honest.

他并没有试图假装。

He he doesn't try to pretend.

他没有假装接受他三个朋友强加给他的观点。

He doesn't enter into the pretense that his three friends try to push on him.

他说：我知道我的救赎主活着，我知道我将看见他。

He says, I know my Redeemer lives and I know that I will see him.

他就像有了一种你懂的，我们以为末世论是从十八世纪达比开始的。

He had like a you know, we think eschatology started in the eighteen hundreds, you know, with Darby.

我们知道，约伯在试炼中说：我知道我的救赎主活着，到了末日，我必在肉体中站在地上看见他。

We know that like Job is saying there in the middle of his trial, I know my redeemer lives, and then at the last day, I shall stand on the earth and see him In my flesh.

在肉体中。

In my flesh.

所以我们在这里有几种理解：耶稣将再临，使地上的一切恢复公义，而我们将拥有复活的身体，能够亲眼看见他。

So we have like a couple of understandings there that Jesus will return, set everything right on earth, and that we will have resurrected bodies that will be able to look upon him.

就像，就像是的。

It's like it's like Yeah.

因为他确实说过：即使虫子吃掉我的肉体。

Because he he did say, though worms eat my flesh.

是的。

Yeah.

然而我知道，我必站在地上，在我的肉身中。

Yet I know I will stand on the earth and in my flesh.

那这是什么意思呢？

So how is that?

就是这样。

That's it.

确实是。

It is.

它是

It's

一方面，虫子会吃掉它，另一方面，在我的肉身中，我站立并看见我的救赎者。

like One one part, the worms eat it and the other part in my flesh, I stand and I see my redeemer.

是的。

Yeah.

就像他说，当我被试炼之后，我必如精金一般出现。

It's like, and when he has tried me, I'll come forth as gold.

就像在他困境的中心，他能说出这样的话，就像耶利米在《哀歌》中所见的那样——圣殿、会幕被焚毁，耶路撒冷被毁灭，他所目睹的一切。

It's like in the middle of his trouble, he could say that just like with, you know, Lamentations, all that Jeremiah saw, the destruction, the fire that burned the temple, the tabernacle and all, you know, the temple in Jerusalem, all that he saw there.

在这一切哀伤与悲歌之中，他仍能说：你的信实广大，你的怜悯每早晨都是新的。

And he could in the middle of all of his lamentations, his sad songs, has to say, great is your faithfulness and your mercies are new every morning.

我必须将这思想重新提起。

This thought I have to bring to mind.

就像我觉得，我不认为我们真的在学习。

It's like, I think like I don't I think that we're we are learning.

我的意思是，我们都是上了年纪的人。

I mean, we're older people.

总觉得关于故事的本质，似乎丢失了一些东西。

You know, it just seems like something's been lost a little bit about the nature of story.

而圣经充满了关于人的故事，他们并不完美，甚至非常不完美，却因着对神更深的认识而得胜，而不是那种显而易见的、突然获得财富般的胜利。

And the Bible is like it's full of stories of people not so perfect, really, really imperfect, gaining a triumph because of not maybe not like a demonstrative triumph, you know, where they suddenly get like a windfall, but they get a triumph of knowing God in a deeper way.

我们每一个故事都有这样的情况，比如约瑟的故事，这无疑是一个巨大的胜利，你知道的。

That every story that we have there, like we do have the Joseph story, which certainly is a huge triumph, you know.

但当他的兄弟们来到他面前说，‘现在你掌权了，你就要把我们全都除掉’时，他说了一些非常有力的话。

But, you know, he does say something really powerful when his brothers come to him and say, Oh, now you got the power and you're just going to like cut us all down.

约瑟在《创世记》50章中的回应是哭泣。

And Joseph's response to that in Genesis 50 is weeping.

他说，我想他的哭泣是表示：‘是的，你说得对。',

He said, you know, and I think the weeping is he said, yep, it's very true.

你们所做的确实很恶劣。

What you did was awful.

你们本意是要害我。

You meant it for evil.

你们打算置我于死地。

You meant to cut me down.

你们想彻底消灭我。

You meant to eradicate me.

你确实想过要杀我，但你没有。

You really thought about killing me, but you didn't.

但你以为我会就此消失。

But you thought I would just go away.

而我在这里，是神将这一切共同成就了美意，好让我拯救你们和你们的家人。

And here I am to bring, you know, God and God worked it all together for good so that I would save you and your families.

所以以色列仍会有十二个支派，不只是我这一支，你知道吗？

So there would still be 12 tribes in Israel, not just not just mine, you know?

但我觉得，这正是圣经告诉我们这些事的原因。

So but I think like that's the the reason, like, you know, the Bible tells us these things.

有时候，圣经中的某些内容，我们只能去理解这句话的价值，以及是谁说了它、是谁默示了它。

And I think sometimes there are Bible things that we just have to take it the take it the value of the statement and who made it and who inspired it.

比如，你知道，如果神是至高的，我信吗？

Like, you know, if God is sovereign, do I believe it?

我信他在这里所说的吗？

Do I believe what he's saying in here?

是的

Yeah.

但世界不应该是这样的。

But the world shouldn't be this way.

而且，是谁让世界变成这样的呢？

And like, but who made it this way?

对吧？

Right?

是的

Yeah.

是的

Yeah.

是的

Yeah.

有一节经文特别让我得着安慰，就是诗篇第二篇，神说外邦为什么争闹，万民为什么谋算虚妄的事，抵挡耶和华和他的受膏者。

Well, one verse that really does minister a lot to me in Psalm two, where God is saying that the heathen are raging and the people are imagining a vain thing against the Lord and against his anointed.

神在天上，经上说，祂坐在天上，那个词是什么？你还记得吗？

And then God is in heaven, it says, and he's sitting in heaven and he's what's the word, do you remember it?

祂在笑。

He's laughing.

对，没错，就是这样。

That's right, that's right.

我不是在考你，我只是享受这种轻笑的感觉。

I wasn't testing you, I just was enjoying the Chuckling.

是的，我不想说出那个词，因为你会想，神是一个专横的暴君，拥有绝对权力，能掌控一切，祂坐在天上，笑着看那些敌对祂受膏者的敌人，对吧？

Yeah, I didn't wanna say that word because it's it's to think that God, you would think of an arrogant tyrant who is in power and fully controlled and he's able to do this and he's sitting in heaven laughing at the enemies that are coming against His anointed, okay?

但祂并不是一个专横的暴君。

But He's not a arrogant tyrant.

神不是那样的。

God is not that.

那为什么当人们行这些愚妄之事时，祂在天上却发笑呢？

Well then why is He laughing in heaven when they are doing their foolishness?

这是个好问题，因为我总是把这一点和《箴言》第一章的结尾联系起来，那里说智慧女神在笑，因为我已经把所有答案都给了你们，但你们就是不听。

That's a good question because I always put that with the end of Proverbs one where it says wisdom, lady wisdom is laughing because I gave you all the answers and you just didn't.

你们没有选择敬畏耶和华。

You didn't choose the the fear of the Lord.

好的。

Okay.

我认为这种笑并不是那种开怀大笑。

I think that's like I see the laughter not like as hilarity.

我更觉得这种笑是……

I see the laughter more.

我还能做些什么来向你们指明道路呢？

It's like, what more could I have done to show you the way?

太阳升起，太阳落下，雨水浇灌义人和不义的人，全地都充满主的慈爱。

The sun comes up, the sun goes down, the rain falls on the just and the undust, the earth is full of the mercy of the Lord.

这也是出自《诗篇》第一百一十九篇。

That's also from Psalm one nineteen.

然后，你知道，智慧女士说，我一直在街上讲话，但你们不听我的，反而走了另一条路。

And then, you know, Lady Wisdom says, you know, I've been in the streets talking and you didn't listen to me and you went this way.

你们因为选择了敬畏主，却错过了整个要点。

And, you know, you missed the whole point choosing the fear of the Lord.

我认为异教徒之所以愤怒，是因为他们试图在一种极其治疗性、临床化、技术化、机械化的文化中寻找简单的答案。

And I think the heathen rage because they're trying to you know, we're in a we're in a in a very therapeutic, clinical, technical, mechanical culture that wants like easy answers.

而上帝更在意的是爱我们，让我们去爱祂，展现与祂建立关系所能带来的、无与伦比的满足感。

And God is like really more interested in loving us and allowing us to love him, you know, and showing like what a relationship with him can can bring like a fulfillment that's like beyond compare.

所以异教徒会愤怒，因为他们的公式不管用。

So you have the heathen rage because they can't because their formulas don't work.

好吧，让我们想象一些虚妄的东西，想想那些随着时间推移而不断演变的虚妄之事。

And okay, well, let's imagine something vain, you know, and just think about the vanity of things that have progressed over it.

你回到文艺复兴时期，看看他们那些充满情色意味的雕塑，还有类似的一切，就像说，哦，我们不，我们要回到古希腊异教徒的时代生活。

You go back to the Renaissance, all the vanity of their their pornographic sculptures and everything like that, just like, you know, oh, we don't, you know, we're going to go back to and live like the pagans in the early Greek days.

那时候一切都更好，因为我们崇尚希腊思想，根本不在乎自己身体做了什么，因为我们的灵魂只需要获得自由，诸如此类。

Everything was so much better when we thought Greek and we didn't really care about what we did with our bodies because, you know, our souls are just needing to be set free and everything.

这并没有很好地奏效。

And that didn't work so well.

是的。

Yeah.

你知道的？

You know?

等一下。

Wait one second.

关于诗篇第二篇，主坐在天上，笑着看待你刚才指出的这种愚昧。

On Psalm two, the Lord is sitting in heaven and laughing at the foolishness, what you just pointed out.

以及他们那些虚妄观念的不断演变，我们在当今时代看到的‘觉醒’文化，就是新异教主义。

And the evolving evolution of their vain ideas, We see it with the woke culture here, right in the modern times, Neo Paganism.

好吧，就让这一切自行发展吧，主在天上充满信心，当然，祂是全能的神。

Okay, so let it play itself out and the Lord is like in heaven with confidence, of course, He's Almighty God.

就像你所说的，也许这种笑声更多是带着遗憾、怜悯，令人悲伤。

And like you pointed out, maybe the laughter is more like, you know, there's regret, there's pity, it's sad.