Ep.653 | The Inerrancy of the Bible: Did Jesus Believe the Bible Was Without Error?

不然就是说，‘难道你们没有念过吗？’

Or like, have you not read?

你懂吧？

You know?

对

Yeah.

他从来不会说‘难道你们没念过以赛亚先知的书或是某篇诗篇吗？’，你明白吧？

Have you not read the prophet Isaiah or the Psalm, you know?

就是'从婴孩和吃奶的口中，建立了赞美'这句话，你懂吧？

Out of the mouth of babes, there will be praise proclaimed, you know?

所以耶稣当时其实是在问，你们都没读过这段经文吗？

So he's saying, we're like, have you heard it read?

我很欣赏他这种做法，因为重点根本不是要标出具体的经文出处，而是要传递话语里的灵、神的心意，而且他引用的内容本身是完全准确的。

And I like that because it's not really about like exactly the place, but it's about the spirit of the word, the heart of God and the accuracy that he quoted it with.

对的。

Yeah.

我觉得这太棒了。

So I think that's amazing.

每当我记不住诗篇89篇的时候，这种说法就特别鼓舞我。

That kind of encourages me when I don't know Psalm 89.

是的。

Yeah.

但你之前是知道的。

But you had it.

我们都懂。

We know it.

你明白的吧？

You know?

我们都知道

We know

这话语。

the word.

但你说的没错。

But that's true.

毕竟这些章节划分啊，还有那种拆分经文的形式，其实最早是没有的。

I mean, because, right, all these just, you know, chapters and just the way the you know, it's all broken up wasn't there really before.

就是说，没错。

It's Yeah.

都是为了方便我们理解经文，这样更好。对的。

More for us to kinda understand and better to Yeah.

能认出这类经文的出处嘛

You know, recognize stuff like that.

不过对，你说到点子上了

But, yeah, there's a great point.

就像耶稣说过的那句，你们没读过圣经吗？

Like Jesus just said, you know, haven't you read?

你们难道从来都不知道吗？

Haven't you known?

要知道他当时是在跟谁说话，没错。

Because who he's speaking to Yeah.

了解背景的话就会发现，这帮人天天都跟经文打交道。

You know, knowing that context is like these guys lived it.

对吧？

Right?

就像当时的法利赛人、撒都该人，还有以色列、耶路撒冷当地的民众，不管耶稣在哪传道，这些人绝对都听过神的话，那片地区本来就到处都在传讲经文。

The the Pharisees, Sadducees, people, of Israel, Jerusalem at the time, wherever he was, like, they have definitely heard the word because the word was kind of surrounding this area.

旧约里的那些人物大家都认识，像亚伯拉罕、以撒，没人不知道他们是谁。

A lot of Old Testament figures and whatnot, but everybody knew who, you know, Abraham was, Isaac was.

还有你刚才说的这点也很有道理，耶稣说他来不是要废掉律法和先知，而是要成全它们。

And so and these points that you're making too as well, like, when he's saying just like I I didn't come to demolish the the law or the prophets, but I've come to fulfill them.

这话突然就让我觉得特别暖心，深受触动。

That's just like hit me just in a a precious way.

要是没有耶稣，旧约就只是一本普通的书，但其实耶稣本身就藏在旧约里。

Just like, you know, without Jesus, like the Old Testament is just kind of another book, but it's Jesus is actually in the Old Testament.

然后到新约这个时期耶稣降临，祂确实把这些预言都应验了，因为旧约里的一切本来就是指向祂的。

And then for him to come now in the New Testament at this time, he's actually fulfilling it in a way because, it all points to him.

要是没有耶稣，我想大家解读这些经文的时候肯定会出很多错，但耶稣是唯一的那一位，是祂把所有脉络都串联了起来。

And so without Jesus, you know, I feel like there could there would be a lot of error probably in the But Jesus is he's the one and he's the one that put it all together.

而且祂本身就是道，对吧？

And he is the word and, right?

就是约翰福音第一章里写的。

John one.

对的

Yeah.

太初有道，道与神同在。

In the beginning was a word and the word was with God.

所以耶稣本身就是那道，如今他亲身降临到世间，你懂吗？

And so like he is a word and he's actually coming down, you know?

还有我想提一点，不对，应该说我想聊一个常见的误解。

And and I think there's a point where was it that maybe I just want to make is a misinterpretation.

是的

Yeah.

这在马太福音22章。

So that's in Matthew 22.

我觉得这一点特别重要。

I think this is a big one.

所以他当时说的是什么？我们一开始怎么说的？

So he said, what did we first say?

我们说历史。

We said history.

对。

Yep.

对吧？

Right?

从历史上看，他确实指明了这一点。

Historically, he he he points it out.

之后他就引出了经文。

And then he brings scripture.

他引用了经文，我们之前也提了几点相关的看法，其实之后应该还能再挖掘出更多内容。

He quotes scripture, and we said a few points on there, and there's probably more we can, point after.

但在马太福音22章这段里，我觉得读懂经文本身就是最关键的一点。

But then in Matthew 22, I think it's just understanding the scripture is a huge one.

我觉得这时候大家可能会开始说，哎这套说法不对，我实在没法理解，你懂那种感觉吗？

And I think this is where we could start saying, oh, this is what error doesn't work for me because I'm I don't understand in a way, you know?

其实咱们谁都是从零开始的，朋友们。

And, we all have to start somewhere like babes.

我当初在这上面就纠结了好久。

And, for me, I struggled with it a lot.

我那时候就像读普通书那样，翻开《创世记》从头开始读，

Like, would, you know, open up to Genesis like a normal book and start reading.

结果就读到那些人名的时候卡壳了。

And then I'm getting to these names.

然后我整个人都懵了，这都啥啊？

And then I'm like, what?

我到底在看什么玩意儿？

Oh, what am I doing here?

对。

Yeah.

我这是在干啥呢？

What am I doing?

这些名字都是啥啊？

Why these names?

这些名字都太特别了

These names are unique.

我平时根本就听不到有人叫这些名字，你懂吧？

I don't even hear them anymore, you know?

而且我连怎么念都不会，直到现在还是不会

So and I can't even pronounce them, and I still can't these days.

然后我就特别挫败，你懂吧？因为我完全搞不明白。

But then I get frustrated, you know, and because I I don't understand.

这些名字这么特殊肯定有它的道理，但我得有人教我才行啊。

And those are important for a reason, but there's a way to be taught it.

就像你说的，我们有很多方法可以学这些——比如经文、教会早祷里分享的经文，不管是什么形式，我们都能通过读圣经真真切切把它用起来，让它实实在在影响我们的生活。

Like you said, there's different ways we can learn of it, you know, scripture, our own verse we we have in the morning devotional at church, whatever it is, there's different ways we could really utilize the Bible and it could impact our lives.

还有播客也是。

Podcast.

大家好。

Hello.

咱们讲到哪了？

Where are we at?

《马太福音》22章22节。

Matthew twenty two twenty.

还有提姆·提博，就像《约翰福音》里那个“提姆·提博”的玩梗一样。

Tim Tebow with the John three Tim Tebow.

没错。

Yep.

你这个观点说得太对了。

And that's such a good point.

毕竟当时去查这段经文的人数都破纪录了。

I mean, there was like a record breaking amount of people who looked up the scripture.

就是这样。

Yep.

因为天上都涂了橄榄球运动员那种黑眼线。

Because the sky has eye black.

对啊。

Yeah.

最近还有件事，就是那个和查理·柯克牵扯的风波你知道吧。

Another one recently with the, you know, her whole Kirk the Charlie Kirk thing.

我这段时间跟好多不同教会的人聊过，大家都说因为这件事，教会里真的掀起了一股很大的讨论风潮。

I mean, I'm having so many different people that I hear different churches that I've talked to that there's been a big actual push because of that.

是的

Yeah.

现在因为这个，人们真的更主动去查了。

People are now actually searching more because of that.

太惊人了。

Amazing.

哇塞。

Wow.

对啊。

Yeah.

简直不可思议。

It's incredible.

但上帝的话是活的。

But the God it's the living word.

这真是一本独一无二的书。

It's just like this is such a unique book.

就算把它贴在你眼周的黑膏上，那里面都藏着力量。

It could be just placed on your eye black and it could there's power in it.

对。

Yeah.

某种意义上是这样。

In a way.

有

There

真的太特别了。

is.

只要把这些话语念出来，就仿佛能释放出力量。

We could just quote it in the atmosphere and there's power in a way.

你得学会用起来，哪怕只是多听它都有用。

Utilize it, you know, or just even listening to it too as well.

都是一样的道理。

Same kind of thing.

是的

Yeah.

这带来很多东西。

It brings a lot.

你是说，当你……不好意思。

Mean, do you when when sorry.

我知道我插话了。

I I know I interrupted.

不用了。

No.

没事，继续。

We're good.

我这就回来。

I'm coming back there.

我现在大概明白了。

I I I got it right now so far.

要是你哪天出门走走……我也说不清，反正就试试吧。

If you ever walk I don't know.

最近我总在家附近转悠，一边走一边大声说话，其实就是在赞美上帝。

Recently, I've just been walking around my house and just like speaking out loud and like praising God.

对。

Yeah.

那种感觉真的太有力量了。

And it's been so powerful.

没错。

Yes.

我老婆估计都在念叨，赞恩，别叨叨了。

I'm sure my wife is like, Zane, be quiet.

但真的太感谢你了，老天保佑。

But it's just praise you, God.

谢谢你。

Thank you.

谢谢你，耶稣。

Thank you, Jesus.

你懂吧？

You know?

然后我还会引用经文，就是那句‘你们已经死了，你们的生命与基督一同藏在神里面’。

And then quote a verse like for for you you have died and your life is hid with Christ and God.

就只是读经、思考，同时称颂上帝、向他祷告。

Just quoting the Bible, thinking about it, praising God, praying.

话语里藏着力量

There's power in the word.

没错

Yes.

真的充满力量

There's power.

还有祷告的力量

Prayer.

神会把某个人放到我心上，让我为他们祷告。

God will put someone on my heart and pray for them.

心里惦念着他们。

Think about them.

真的要哈利路亚，赞美主。

Just hallelujah.

感谢你，我的主。

Thank you, Lord.

没错，确实是这样。

That's true.

太神奇了。

Amazing.

我是说，这么做真的会带来不一样的感受。

I mean, it's it brings something up.

当我们这么做的时候，心里好像就被触动了，有了力量。

It, like, stirs something up inside of us when we do that.

确实是这样。

It does.

我也坚信这一点。

I believe it.

对的。

Yeah.

我觉得不止是牧师，还有围绕在我们身边的天使也会有这种感觉，就好像他们也会被触动一样。

I think ministers who maybe the angels around us too as well, like, they're like, hey.

真的是这样。

Come on.

你懂吧？

You know?

然后那些邪灵就会离他们远远的，不敢靠近。

And then the you know, the demons flee opposite from them.

所以说，上帝的话不会落空，你懂的，

So, but my my word won't return void, you know,

就是这种事。

kind of thing.

就是吧。

It's just like yeah.

随便说说而已。

Just throw it out there.

你懂的。

You know?

有点像钓鱼。

It's kinda like a, fishing.

再把另一样东西抛出去。

Just throw the the other thing out there.

你懂的。

You know?

有一次我用一片面包钓到了一条超大的鲈鱼，然后它们就……

One time I caught a huge bass and on a piece of bread, and then they they yeah.

就是那种硬邦邦的放了挺久的全麦面包

The log bread, like stale log bread.

那种Wonder Bread软面包刚好能裹住鱼钩

That wonder bread folds nicely around the hook.

问题就出在漂白剂上

It was the bleach.

他们那意思就是，我就要那个漂白剂

They were like, I want the bleach.

鱼都闻到面包味儿了。

They smelled it.

不对吧。

No.

那面包是未漂白的啊。

It's unbleached.

我的天呐。

Oh, jeez.

但其实不是的

But no.

哎呀，这个词就是说

Like, it's yeah.

它是个常用词

It's a word.

就直接说出来就行

Just throw it out there.

还有上次去里士满的时候，那些圣经经文你还记得吗？

And, like like with the Richmond, when we're going to Richmond, those bible verses.

我的天呐。

Oh my gosh.

我们给大家随机抽圣经经文，好多人都会停下来接过经文看看、读一读。

How many times are like people just pick out a we give them random bible verse and they pick and they look and they read.

我好多次都亲眼见到，这些经文刚好就戳中了他们的需求，真的安慰到他们了。

And I see so many times, like, it ministers to them, you know, or they needed it.

谁也说不准哪句话能戳到你、记到心里

And you never know what's gonna stick with you.

对

Mhmm.

就比如有时候你会突然想起十年前的一件小事，自己都纳闷，我怎么还记得这事儿啊？

Like, sometimes you'll remember something like ten years ago and you're like, why did that stick with me?

我为什么还能记着那个人当时给我看的那段经文呢？

Why do I remember that verse that that person showed me?

你知道吗，我还记得之前跟着Shal牧师、Matt Garrett牧师学经文的经历，还有大家一起聚会的时候，你在里士满也讲过一节经文的道

You know, because I have memories of learning a Bible verse from, you know, pastor Shal or pastor Matt Garrett or, you know, some like fellowshipping and like you you preached on a verse in Richmond.

我当时就觉得，我之前那场分享里听过这节经文，记忆犹新

I was like, I remember that verse from that message.

太神奇了

Wow.

这都是圣灵的工作呀，你懂吧？

It's the work of the spirit, you know?

所以你说的是传道书11章，把你的面包撒在多水之上，分给七十，甚至八个人，因为你不知道哪一份会回报你。

So like you're saying, Ecclesiastes 11, cast your bread upon many waters, like give a portion to 70, even to eight, because you don't know which one is going to give you a return.

这又是我们读圣经的一种方式。

So that's another way we read the Bible.

就像另一节经文，另一种默想。

Like just another another verse, another meditation.

我们真不知道哪句会留在心里。

We don't know what's gonna stick.

是的。

Yeah.

但它一定会的。

But it will.

而且绝不会徒劳无功。

And it's not gonna return void.

阿们。

Amen.

而且随着你慢慢深入，你就会发现，对了，我们还有圣灵来指引我们，

And then as you grow in it, it's like, you know, yeah, we have the Holy Spirit too who can teach us.

其实从根本上来说，我们不需要找外部的老师，

We don't need a teacher essentially.

没错，

Yes.

但同时我们也愿意接受牧师、导师的带领。

We we wanna be under a pastor teacher too as well.

但随着我们在信仰路上不断成长、慢慢成熟，我现在甚至可以在家里自己大声朗读圣经，就只有我和圣灵同在，圣经不断教导我、滋养我的心灵，真的是一种特别享受的过程，你懂吗？

But as we grow in our walk, you know, and mature, then there's like, I could go around my house just saying the Bible out loud, and it's just me and the Holy Spirit, and it's teaching me and it's feeding me and it's just like such an enjoyment, you know?

我就很好奇，耶稣当年会不会也这么做呢？

I wonder if I wonder if Jesus did that.

有没有什么经文记载过这件事啊？

They would do we have scripture on that?

我只知道他会独自去到天父面前祷告。

I mean, we know he went off to the alone to the father to pray.

对。

Yeah.

不过有件事我们是能确定的。

Well, we do know this.

我们都知道，门徒们亲眼见过耶稣祷告之后，才去问他：“主啊，求你教导我们祷告。”

We do know that after the disciples saw Jesus pray, that's when they asked him, Lord, teach us to pray.

就跟约翰教导自己的门徒那样。

Like John taught his disciples.

是吧？

Right?

所以当时门徒们亲眼见过耶稣祷告，他祷告的时候肯定有着不一样的特质。

So they saw Jesus praying and there was something about him praying.

对的

Yeah.

我记得是在路加福音11章里，门徒们看到耶稣祷告，等他祷告完之后，就上前去问他。

I think it's Luke 11 where they see Jesus praying and when he's done, they ask him.

当时上帝借着耶稣的祷告生命，让门徒们都忍不住惊叹，太不一样了。

So there's God there was something about his prayer life that they were like, wow.

没错。

Yeah.

我也想学会这样祷告。

I wanna learn that.

求主教我怎么祷告。

Teach me to pray.

你懂吧？

You know?

而且耶稣也从来没强迫过门徒们祷告。

Jesus never forced the disciples to pray either.

这一点也挺值得琢磨的。

That's another interesting point.

他从来没逼着他们祷告过。

He never like forced them to pray.

没错。

Right.

但他们看到祂的祷告生活后，就主动向祂请教。

But they want, they asked Him about it when they saw His prayer life.

这其实告诉我们，祷告有一种力量，它让人享受、满足、内心充实。

So that says something to us about prayer is that there is an aspect of it that it's powerful and it's like enjoying, It's in like, it's fulfilling, it's satisfying.

这是一种喜乐。

It's it's rejoicing.

门徒们看见耶稣这样祷告，就渴望拥有祂那样的生命。

And the disciples saw Jesus do it and they wanted that what they had, what he had.

你懂的。

You know?

是的。

Yeah.

所以从这个角度来说，祷告不是一条命令，而是一种我们内心渴望的东西。

So it's not a command in that sense, but it's like something that we desire, we want.

没错。

Yeah.

你也不会希望祈祷变成一道硬性命令。

And you don't want it to be a command.

对的。

Yeah.

你懂我意思吧？

You know?

从某种角度来说确实是这样。

In a way.

对。

Yeah.

我觉得有时候确实得给自己定好时间安排。

There's like, I guess, scheduling sometimes.

用来养成习惯的话，这么做完全没问题。

Like, yeah, that's fine for to build a habit.

我们之前那期播客聊过这个。

We talked about that previous podcast.

不过呢，就是希望它能自然流淌，像发自内心想祷告一样，那种感觉真棒。

But, yeah, just to have it just flow naturally almost and just organically just like wanting to pray like, wow.

是的。

Yeah.

我听说你姐姐上次礼拜时提到过这事。

I need to I you know, I heard that your sister your sister mentioned that at, I think, the last service.

她唱歌的时候，就简单说了几句关于她自己的事。

She was singing just said a little just a little word on just her.

你有没有过，突然跪在厨房地上，或者家里随便哪儿，就自发地开始祷告、赞美上帝？我就特别喜欢这样。

You ever get down on your knees and just like in the kitchen floor or just randomly in the house and just start, you know, praying or praising God, you know, like, love that, you know.

对。

Yeah.

这感觉真好。

And it's cool.

我们很多人都容易压力过大，有时候可能一天里时时刻刻都这样，要是你也有过这种感觉的话，那停下来喘口气真的很棒——不管是跪下来，还是先把脑子里乱糟糟的想法都抛开，好好地

Like, if you ever feel overwhelmed, which many of us can do, feel sometimes probably all the times of the day, you know, it's great to just pause, you know, and just like, you know, go either drop down your knees or, you know, stop thinking what you're thinking about and just like really like

对。

Yeah.

向他呼求、赞美他、感谢他，不管想做什么，最重要的是和他说说话。

Cry out to him, praise him, thank him, whatever is like just, you know, talk with him too.

没错。

Yeah.

你刚才聊到祷告的这个事儿，让我想起了耶稣在去往以马忤斯路上的那段典故，刚才口误说成Demaes了。

And and it brings up a point when you're saying about prayer, but then Jesus on the right the the road to Demaes.

对吧？

Right?

是叫以马忤斯。

Emmaus.

以马忤斯没错。

Emmaus.

是的

Yeah.

就是大马士革路上那个故事，两个门徒在走路，耶稣向他们讲解圣经。

Damascus, something of, the road to Emmaus where the two disciples are walking, and then he opens up the scripture to them.

然后他们就说：哦，这又是另一个重点。

And then they're like, oh, so that's another point.

耶稣就是道，现在祂亲自在教导这道。

Just like Jesus, the word Jesus is the word, and now he's teaching the word.

我常常想到天堂，这确实是我常想的一件事。

Like, I think about heaven and I just that's one thing I think about.

我真期待有一天，耶稣亲自向我们讲解神的话语。

And I I can't wait to, like, have Jesus teach us like the word of God Himself.

太棒了。

That's amazing.

我知道。

I know.

是吧？

Right?

哇哦。

Wow.

就是说，真的太让人

Like, oh, I miss so

向往了。

much.

对的

Yeah.

没错

Yeah.

确实是这样

That's true.

你懂的

You know.

不过彼得在他的书信里也提到了这点。

But And and Peter says it in in his epistle.

对的。

Mhmm.

在《彼得后书》第一章里，他说他们这些人都亲眼见证了主在变容山上彰显出的荣光，没错吧？

Second Peter one, he's saying that we were eyewitnesses of his majesty on the Mount Of Transfiguration, right?

当时彼得、雅各和约翰都跟在基督身边，亲眼看着祂在荣耀里改变形象，那其实就是祂的神性荣光第一次向他们揭开面纱。

Peter, James, and John with Christ when he's transfigured in all of his glory, Like He, it's an unveiling of His glory.

你看，当时祂正和摩西、以利亚交谈，聊的是祂将要离世，也就是祂的出埃及事件，说白了就是十字架的事，他们就在聊这个。

You know, He's talking with Moses and Elijah, and they're talking about His departure, His Exodus, meaning the cross, you know, they're having this conversation.

后来彼得在《彼得后书》里写，说我们亲眼见过祂的荣光，但先知留下的话语其实是更确凿的印证。

And Peter says in Second Peter, that we saw his we were eyewitnesses of his majesty, but we have the prophetic word more fully confirmed.

彼得这话是说，圣经、也就是经文，本身就是最有力的证明——特别棒的是，

Peter is saying that the Bible, the scripture is more of a proof Beautiful.

它完全印证了耶稣应验了经文的预言，包括祂的受死、埋葬和复活。

Of Jesus's fulfillment of the scripture, his death, burial, resurrection.

比起亲眼见证，圣经的经文是更有力的证明。

The Bible, the scripture is more proof than being an eyewitness.

对。

Yeah.

彼得就是这么说的。

Peter says that.

我们拥有的先知预言得到了更充分的证实，你们若是留心听从这些话，就必获益。

We have the prophetic word more fully confirmed, and you will do well to pay attention to it.

哇哦。

Wow.

你说是不是？

Right?

这太不可思议了。

That's amazing.

那上帝对这个世界的计划到底是什么呢？

What is God's plan for the world?

这真的太不可思议了

This is this is amazing.

接下来我们再回到马太福音22章，这段经文我们还没聊完

And we'll go back to your to Matthew 22, but It's still there.

你尽管说就行

Just plug it in.

没问题，能接上的

It's holding on.

还有别忘了《罗马书》里也提到过

And don't forget in Romans.

主耶稣啊，快帮我找找这段内容在哪

Oh Lord Jesus, help me find it.

就是《罗马书》里的

Romans.

哎呀，记性不好了

Oh man.

这段内容在某一章的末尾，是罗马书第十六章二十五节

It's the end of one of the chapters, chapter 16 and verse 25.

罗马书16:25

Romans sixteen twenty five.

“惟有上帝能照我所传的福音、和所讲的耶稣基督，照永古以来隐秘的奥祕，如今彰显出来，藉着众先知的书卷，也就是圣经里的先知书、律法书、诗篇，遵照永生上帝的命令，向万国显明出来，使你们的信心得以坚固。”

Now to him who is able to strengthen you according to my gospel and in the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery that was kept secret for long ages, but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings, the scriptures, the prophets, the law, the Psalms, has been made known to all nations according to the command of the eternal God.

那上帝颁布的是什么样的命令呢？

So what command did God give?

但神原本的心意，就是要借着圣经，把基督的奥秘向世人显明出来。

But His command was that it would be the scriptures that would reveal the mystery of Christ to the world.

你想啊，基督降世后受难、被埋葬、又复活、升天，最后坐在神的右手边，之后还赐下了圣灵。

You know, Christ, he died, he was buried, he was raised, he was ascended, he sat down at the right hand of God, then he sent his Holy Spirit.

那圣灵要叫世人为罪自责，靠的不正是神的道吗？

But what does the spirit use to convict the world, but the Word of God?

没错，祂就是借着那些先知留下的经文来做工的。

You know, He uses the prophetic writings.

还有新约，新约就是用来解释基督在旧约里成就的所有事的

He uses the New Testament, which is an explanation of everything that Christ fulfilled in the Old Testament.

所以整本圣经其实是贯通统一的

So this this word is unified.

它是完整圆满的

It's it's full.

毫无缺漏，而且在天上早已立定，永远长存

It's complete, and it's forever settled in heaven.

诗篇119篇89节。

Psalm one one nineteen eighty nine.

太震撼了。

Wow.

对吧？

You know?

我就是想插一句说明：正是圣经，让上帝能把祂的救恩计划清清楚楚地向世人显明出来。

So I just wanted to interject that that the scripture that God uses to clearly reveal his plan in salvation to the world.

你想啊，不是所有人都能亲眼在变容山上见到基督，但所有人都有机会凭着信心领受基督的义。

You know, he he doesn't use like not everybody will get a vision of Christ on the Mount Of Transfiguration, but everyone will have an opportunity to receive by faith the righteousness of Christ.

而且有无数人穷尽一生翻译这本书，就是为了让更多人能完整了解神的救恩计划。

And and many, many have given their life to translate this book so that others could have the the full revelation of God's plan.

真的太了不起了。

Wow.

关键就在于这些经文本身。

So it's the scriptures.

靠的就是这些经文。

It's the scriptures.

圣经经文。

Scriptures.

这才是上帝想要用来做事的工具。

That's what God wants to use.

哇，原来是这样。

Oh, man.

我这么说吧，这个点我们在马里兰圣经学院学护教学的时候就学过了，入门课上老师就会聊，你要怎么和其他人建立连接？

I'll say it like, I mean, I think we learned this in apologetics, at Maryland Bible College, but like in the beginning course, you talk about how how do you relate to people?

或者换个角度说，如果换成是上帝，祂会怎么向人类传递自己的想法？

Or if you're God, how would you communicate with people?

答案其实很简单，就是靠话语、靠语言嘛。

And really it's it's through word, through language.

这是最通用的方式，祂才能和我们每一个人对话，你懂吧？

And that's a one common thing that he could really speak to us all, you know?

没错

Yeah.

总有一天我们都会见到祂的

One day we will all see him.

对吧？

Right?

所有人都会见到祂

Everybody will see him.

一切膝都要跪拜，一切口都要承认他。

Every knee will bow, every tongue will confess.

而祂愿意主动走近我们，向我们启示祂自己，真的太美好了。

But, for him to relate to us and tell us about himself and just yeah.

在这个短暂、终将逝去的世界里，祂赐下了圣经，以此来帮助我们。

And just help us in this, you know, fleeting dying world in a way like he gave us the scripture.

这本经文书太重要了，而且历经千百年依然屹立不倒。

And, and it's so important, and it's stood the test of time.

没错

And Yes.

刚才差点忘了要聊的那个点，现在我总算想起来了，还是绕回正题说

The point that we're getting back, back to that I've almost forgot, but I brought it back.

《马太福音》22章

Matthew 22.

但关键是要能正确解读经文

But just, being able to interpret interpret correctly.

就是解经这件事。

Interpretation.

也就是对经文、对圣经经文的解读。

The interpretation of the text, the scripture.

然后啊，耶稣说的那段话，是在马太福音22章29节。

And and Jesus, it was in twenty nine, twenty two, twenty nine.

他对法利赛人说，耶稣回答他们道，你们完全理解错了。

He says to the Pharisees, Jesus answered and said unto them, you do air.

这点确实很重要

There is that.

对，就是这个

There it is.

我之前其实提过这个

I brought that up earlier.

我当时就说，

I was like,

我是在哪看到的来着？

where did I find it?

我就是随便翻到的。

I was just reading.

好的。

Okay.

你们之所以会错，是因为既不明白经文，也不了解神的大能。

You do you do air not knowing the scripture nor the power of God.

你们可以去读完整的原文。

And you can read that whole text.

但耶稣其实就是在说，那些法利赛人明明对经文熟得很。

But he's really just saying just like, yeah, you know that these guys know the scriptures.

他们都读过。

They've they've read it.

一辈子都在钻研这些经文。

They studied it their whole lives.

但他是在说，你理解错了。

But he's saying you're misinterpreted.

你没搞对，你知道的。

You're not getting it right, you know.

我们很多人其实都这样，真的，太常见了。

And we could do that so much, you know, and a lot of us do.

说实话，我自己有时候也这样，得提醒自己别这样。

I mean, even I, you know, I still do sometimes, and I gotta kind of Yeah.

我喜欢《使徒行传》里保罗讲道时，那群人特意去查圣经，确认他说的对不对。

I love, you know, in acts when Paul's teaching, that there's a group of men and they wanna go to the scripture to make sure he's right.

你成长的过程中，也是同样的道理。

And it's the same kind of thing as you grow.

你得确保教你的人说得对。

Like, you wanna make sure whoever's teaching you is right.

尤其是你自己读经的时候，不管是看网上文章，还是听牧师讲道，你都得确认他们说的有没有依据。

You wanna make sure as you're diving into the word yourself, whether you're pulling from, you know, online sources or pastors you listen to, are they correct?

我得去圣经经文里查证一下。

I wanna search it in the scriptures.

是不是在经文的好几个地方都能找到相关的内容？

Can I find it in multiple areas?

我能不能回溯到这个词第一次出现的地方，深入钻研原文内容，你明白吧？

Can I, you know, find it, go back to the first word, the first mention of that word, and dive into the text, you know?

这些方法都能帮我们更好地读懂经文，毕竟经文的解读只有一种，但应用场景可以有很多。

And so these are different ways that we could help better understand the scriptures, because there's many what applications, one interpretation.

对的

Yes.

咱们现在聊的这个教导真的很有意义

That's a good teaching that we have here.

能用到生活里的地方太多了

Many application.

这本圣经里的道理我能反复用来指导自己的生活，而且不管是咱们本地还是世界各地，都有很多很棒的牧者，他们也都能把这些道理讲得很实用，贴合生活

I can apply the Bible many times and we'll have wonderful pastors here and around the world that do that do have great, you know, application.

但真正的本意只有一个。

But there is one really interpretation.

那要怎么解读才对？

How is it interpreted?

当时耶稣就对这些人点明了这点。

And Jesus is pointing out to these guys.

这些人都自认为精通经文，但耶稣对他们说：你们之所以会错，就是因为没真的读懂经文。

Now these these men of the word really, And he's saying you do air not knowing the scriptures.

对的

Yeah.

没错

Yeah.

是这样

Yeah.

说得太好了

That's good.

对。

Yeah.

哇哦。

Wow.

所以说我们确实有可能理解错很多事。

And so like how we could get things wrong.

我觉得咱们可以这么来想这件事。

I think it's like a think about it like this.

明白了吧？

Alright?

耶稣就像给我们发了一长条的消息，

Jesus sent us one long text message.

其实就是上帝给我们留的话，

God sent us a text.

也就是圣经。

It's the Bible.

生活里这种事太常见了

And what what happens is a text all the time.

我们会把消息理解错

Misinterpret it.

然后发消息的人本来就不是那个意思，就会说：不对啊，你完全理解错了

We then it's like the person didn't mean they're like, no, you got it all wrong.

你把意思领会错啦

You're misinterpreted.

可别把它想得太复杂、钻牛角尖了

Like, you're going way too into it.

不如退一步，缓一缓再说

Like, take a step back and breathe.

但说实话，对，我就是把它当成一条消息来看的

But it's just like, yeah, I think of it as a text.

有时候你发了条消息，对方却理解错了，这也很正常，毕竟文字不像面对面交流那样能传递足够的情绪，你们俩隔着屏幕，没法完全共情

Like sometimes you send a text and someone misinterprets But then that's because it's like text is not, I guess, personal personable or, you know, kind of you're separate.

是隔着电子设备的嘛。

It's through a machine.

就好比现在我和基督之间，是靠着神的话语建立关系的，就想说说这个。

As in, like, now I'm saying, like, it's rather now I'm going to the word of God with a relationship with Christ.

我们之间真的有联结，祂会亲自指引我，我和祂是切实相交、彼此相通的。

I have a relationship and he's kind of teaching me and we're communing and fellowshipping together.

我觉得这点真的特别特别重要，你懂吧？

I think that is like a huge a huge thing, you know?

对的

Yeah.

没错

Yeah.

这正是我喜欢那句观点的原因

You that's how I like that verse.

你得给自己留点余地喘口气

You like you air.

你得听听这个说法

You need to hear that.

对

Yeah.

而且我也很认可这点，没错

It's and I and I I welcome it because Correct.

我们得说准了才行

We wanna be accurate.

我们得先把教义搞对，准确理解上帝赐给我们的所有话语。

We wanna be doctrinally correct with what with what God has given us.

而且我特别认同你刚才说的：经文的解读方式可以有很多种，但核心的正解只有一个。

And I like that point you said that there are many applications, but there's one interpretation.

所以搞清楚经文的真正含义真的很重要。

So it's important to find the interpretation of the scripture.

而找这个答案的绝佳起点就是，圣经本身是准确无误、没有任何错漏的。

But a good, a great starting point is that the Bible has no air and it's without air.

某种层面上讲这是个客观事实，但要得出这个结论本身也需要信心。

And that is an objective fact in one sense, but it also takes faith to arrive at that conclusion.

而且这个结论是有依据的，对吧？

It can be proven, right?

我记得诗篇12篇7节提到过，上帝的话语是经过炼净的，就像在炉子里精炼了七次那样。

Psalm twelve:seven, I believe it says that the Bible is tried, like the word is tried by fire, Like seven times in a furnace, it's tried.

是千锤百炼过的。

It's tried.

它经得住考验的。

It's tried.

箴言30章第5节里说，神的每一句话都是纯净的。

Proverbs 30 verse five, it says that every word of God is pure.

神的话句句都真实不虚。

Every word of God is true.

凡倚靠他的人，这话都要作他们的盾牌与庇护。

And it's a shield and a and a buckler to all those who trust him.

诗篇18:30里写着：“至于神，他的道是完全的，他的话是炼净的。”

Psalm eighteen thirty, it says, As for God, His way is perfect and His word is tried.

所以圣经本身就宣告自己是唯一完美的话语，是唯一无瑕的文本。

So the Bible, it's self proclaimed to be the only perfect word, the only perfect, text.

从这个层面来说，圣经的真实性是经得起推敲的：你可以翻遍所有史料，把那些所谓的矛盾掰开揉碎了研究，也可以结合科学和创世论去深挖，最后都只会证明圣经是对的。

It's objectively true in that sense that you can go throughout the history, you can put a microscope on the contradictions, you can go back to science and the creation and you can study it and the Bible still proves true.

你再去研究那些在基督生平里一一应验的预言，就会发现每一句都成了真。

You can study all the prophecies that have been fulfilled even in the life of Christ and you'll find that they have come to pass.

这些事你都能找到依据，但说到底，还是得凭着信心去相信、去托付自己。

And you can prove all these things, but at the end of the day, it still takes faith to believe and to put your trust in it.

是吧？

Right?

耶稣在这里就说了，你们错了，因为你们既不明白经文，也不晓得上帝的大能。

And Jesus says here, you are wrong because you know neither the scriptures nor the power of God.

唯有我们对圣经生发信心，才能领受上帝的大能——希伯来书4章2节就是这么说的，对吧？

And when we put faith in the scriptures is when we receive the power of God in Hebrews four:two, right?

那些人没能进入应许之地，就是因为他们心存不信，没有把信心和他们听到的道结合起来。

They, they, weren't able to enter the land because of unbelief and they didn't mix faith with what they heard.

可要是我们把信心和所听的道结合起来，就会蒙神喜悦，还能得着属神的力量。

But when we do mix faith with what we hear, God is pleased and there's power there.

那里有生命的气息。

There is life there.

所以我特别认同关于误解经文的这个说法。

So I love that point about the misinterpretation.

这也是我们得搞清楚的另一个关键点。

And that is another point that we want to get right.

没错，耶稣在马太福音5章18节里说过，律法的一点一滴都不会废去，直到所有的事都成了。

So yeah, Jesus says in Matthew five eighteen, that not a dot or iota of the law will pass away until it is all fulfilled.

约翰福音10章35节也提到，圣经是不能废的。

John ten thirty five, he says the scriptures cannot be broken.

还有约翰福音1章14节里说，道成了肉身。

John one fourteen, the word became flesh.

耶稣就是那道成肉身的神的话语。

Jesus is the word.

《启示录》19章13节里写着，

Revelation nineteen thirteen.

他的名称为神之道。

His name is called the Word of God.

没错，神的道，这就是他的名字。

That's His name, the Word of God.

而在《马太福音》5章17节里，耶稣正是来成全律法的那一位。

In Matthew five seventeen, He is the one that fulfills it.

这些经文都在阐明，耶稣认为神的话语纯粹且完美，而祂本身就是那道成肉身的圣言。

So we have these verses that are showing and explaining that Jesus saw the Word as pure and perfect and that He is the Word.

再看《马太福音》24章35节，这里讲的就属于最后一类——就是耶稣自己说的话。

And in Matthew 2four 35, His words is maybe like the last category, it's His words.

经文里说：‘天地都要废去，我的话却永远不会废去。’

Matthew 2four 35 says, heaven and earth will pass away, but my words by no means will pass away.

是吧？

Right?

我的话就是灵，就是生命。

My words are spirit and life.

约翰福音6章63节也提到，我的话是灵，是有生命的。

In John six sixty three, my words are spirit and they are life.

所以耶稣口中的话，就是那能带来永生的道。

So Jesus has the words of eternal life.

对不对？

Right?

《约翰福音》6章68节里，彼得也意识到了这一点。

John six sixty eight, Peter recognizes that.

所以不只是《马太福音》4章4节里说的耶稣要靠神的每一句话活着，耶稣本身就是道。

So not only does Jesus live by every word of God in Matthew four four, He is the word.

祂熟知旧约里的话语，同时也能说出带来新生的新话语，赐给我们生命。

He knows the word of the Old Testament, but He's also speaking new words and new life that give us life.

对。

Yeah.

没错。

Yeah.

祂本身是没有问题的，就像你一开始提到的，不会有任何错误，不管是语法层面都挑不出毛病，是的。

Like He's in He's not like like, yeah, maybe you were saying in the beginning, like, just like with errors, grammatically Yeah.

就连从数字层面来推敲也完全站得住脚，没错。

Numerology or numerically Yeah.

总会出现各种不一样的观点，还有各种矛盾之类的问题，你懂的。

Either different, you know, viewpoints, you know, contradictions, all these things.

但其实整本圣经才是唯一完全没有谬误的存在。

But really the Bible is the only thing without error.

就算出现了数字对不上或是其他这类小问题，那就要想清楚：这些会不会动摇圣经的核心要义？

And, you know, it just because there's something like that, numerically or whatnot, it's just like, okay, does it take away from the core of it?

我觉得这才是最关键的问题。

I think that is a huge thing.

会不会动摇它背后的教义核心呢？

Does it take away from the doctrine of it?

就因为里面有某个数字对不上？

Because there's maybe a number that's different.

这种情况我们本来也说不准的，你懂吧？

And we don't know, you know?

但其实根本不会，它本身真正的终极价值不会因此打折扣。

But no, it doesn't take away from like the ultimate value of what it truly is.

还有，《启示录》22章19节里说，谁要是删去这卷预言书里的内容，上帝就会把他从生命册上除名。

And, you know, in Revelation twenty two nineteen, he says, if any man shall take away from the words of this book of this prophecy of Revelation, God shall take away his park out of the book of life.

我总忍不住琢磨这件事。

And I just really I think about that.

我就想啊，上帝既然能创造世界、维系世间万物，还能一直保全教会、带领以色列民，成就这么多事，难道他还护不住自己的话语，让它免于崩解、出错、分裂或是被人篡改吗？

I'm like, if God can uphold the world and create it and keep us together, you know, and, keep the church together, keep the people of Israel together and and do all these things, can he not also keep the word of God from falling apart or having a lot of error or separating or being manipulated in the fact?

没错。

Yeah.

我觉得他完全能做到，毕竟他是上帝啊。

I think he he he can do that easily, you know, cause he is God.

这真是个美好的话题，还有很多别的方面我们可以聊聊。

And yeah, this is a beautiful topic and there, you know, there's so many other things we could point about.

不过，你有什么想最后说的吗？咱们收个尾吧。

But maybe do you want to share a last thought or close it out?

就把这个道理带回去吧。

Mean, take it home.

你刚才说的那番话，真是戳中了重点。

You just had a hole.

你刚才讲的这段，简直是一篇完美的讲道。

It's a beautiful sermon you had there right there.

你刚才说的这些，完全值得当一篇讲道。

It should be a sermon.

你刚才说的那些，太对了。

What you just said, all those Yeah.

其实我就是喜欢琢磨这些，我总爱研究圣经，琢磨它对我们的人生到底意味着什么。咱们这期节目一开始就提到了，圣经就是照亮我脚下的灯。

I mean, I just, I love to just think about I love just thinking about the Bible and what it is in our life, you know, and we kind of opened up this show with that, that it's the lamp unto my feet.

是指引我前行的光。

It's the light unto my path.

还有《箴言》第六章里也说，这道会指引我前行的路。

You know, and Proverbs six says that it will it will guide me when I walk.

安睡时它保守我，醒来时它也会与我同在、对我说的话。

It will keep me when I sleep and it will speak with me when I wake up.

那

The

圣经会指引我的人生道路。

Bible will guide my path.

哪怕我熟睡时，它也会守护着我，还会与我对话。

It will guard me even when I sleep, and it will speak with me.

我们和上帝之间是有交流的。

There's communion.

神的话语，你知道的，真的是我们生命里最奇妙的存在

The word of God, you know, it it it's the most amazing thing in our life.

它比黄金还要珍贵

It's more precious than gold.

出自诗篇19篇

In Psalm 19.

比蜂蜜还要甘甜

It's sweeter than honey.

对吧？

Right?

它能点亮我们的双眼。

It enlightens our eyes.

还能让我们懂得人生中那些永恒之事的智慧。

It gives us wisdom about the eternal things in life.

也会告诉我们未来将会发生什么。

It tells us about what is to come.

没错

Yeah.

它还能赐予我们希望

It gives us hope.

对吧？

Right?

神的话语就是我们的希望

The Word is our hope.

它能带给我们平安。

It gives us peace.

对吧？

Right?

上帝的道会在我们心里种下平安。

The Word of God works peace in our heart.

我们一定要牢牢守住这份信仰。

And let's cling to it.

听我说，咱们一定要紧紧抓住神的话。

You know, let's cling to the Word.

就像耶利米说的，你的话在我骨头里像火一样闭不住，我根本压不住它。

Like Jeremiah, he said, Your Word was like a fire shut up in my bones and I couldn't hold it back.

还有耶利米书23章里提到，神的话像一把锤子，能把磐石砸得粉碎。

Know, in Jeremiah 23, the Word is like a hammer that breaks the rock into pieces.

那要是我生活里有什么坎儿熬不过去、有什么解不开的疙瘩，神的话就能帮我把这难题打碎。

And like though, if I have something in my life that needs to be broken, the Word of God can break it.

不管是坚固的堡垒，还是沉重的锁链，神的道都像大锤一样，能把磐石砸得粉碎。

If it's a stronghold, if it's a chain, the Word of God is like a hammer that breaks the rock to pieces.

我的人生里就实实在在发生过这样的事。

It does that in my life.

希伯来书4章12节里提到的神的道充满大能，但申命记32章4节里的它又格外温柔。

It's so powerful, the Word of God in Hebrews four twelve, but it's also so gentle in Deuteronomy 32 verse four.

它温柔得就像春雨春雾，又像深夜降在大地上的露珠。

It's as gentle as the rain or the mist in the spring, or even as the dew on the ground in the middle of the night.