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Welcome to the Grace Hour Show, a Christian program that takes a deep dive into our daily challenges and helps us learn our faith in a practical way.
我是巴里·奎克牧师。
My name is pastor Barry Quirk.
今天在演播室里，我和彼得·韦斯特拉牧师一起主持。
I am joined in the studios today by pastor Peter Westera.
这真是个难得的机会。
This is a great occasion.
不知怎么的，他们又让我们俩同台亮相，今天我们要一起潜入深水，深入探讨。
Somehow they have allowed us to be on the same broadcast together again, dipping deep into the pool today to let me and you go together.
这可能是个错误。
This could be a mistake.
我们还以为他们上次已经吸取教训了呢。
We thought they learned their lesson last time.
你知道吗？
You know what?
偶尔为了给其他主持人拉点收视率，他们就让我们稍微发挥一下。
Every once in a while, just to keep the other hosts ratings up, they allow us to flounder a little bit.
这个周末真棒。
What a great weekend.
我们刚结束一场活动。
We just came off.
就是那个‘Come on’活动。
Was Come on.
毕业典礼之后。
The post graduation.
阿们。
Amen.
这个周末我们举办了GGCA的毕业典礼。
Weekend we had our GGCA graduation.
真是对我们年轻人的一场盛大庆祝。
What a celebration of our young people.
今天我们聊的主题是光明，以及光明如何驱散黑暗，这么说吧。
And, when we we're talking about our our topic today being light and how does light chase the darkness, so to speak.
这个周末，我们看到了很多闪耀的光芒。
And we saw a lot of shining lights this weekend.
我有点儿得意了，不过……
I'm bragging a little bit, but
是的。
Yeah.
你尽管夸吧，我都不用拦着你。
You brag on it for a minute, I don't have to say No,
我完全同意。
mean, I'm with you on that.
毕业典礼让我深受感动。
I was very, very edified in the graduation ceremony.
在座的很多人，你排在最前面，我们许多老师和青年工作者，都把一生献给了关爱年轻人这件事，而上帝一直帮助着我们。
Many of us here, you being at the top of that list, many of us have dedicated our lives to loving young people, many teachers, many youth leaders, and God has helped us do it.
是上帝赐予我们爱，让我们能去做这件事。
And God has given us love to do it.
是上帝赐予我们能力，让我们能去做这件事。
And God has given us capacity to do it.
我对此深信不疑。
I'm a thousand percent convinced about that.
偶尔，上帝会显明教师、父母，还有所有人的付出。
And then every once in a while, God reveals the work of the teachers, of the parents, everybody.
有时候，毕业典礼对我来说就是这样，让人由衷地感到骄傲，看到上帝在其中的作为。
And sometimes graduations really feel like that to me where in a good way, you're proud and you just see what God is doing.
我们确实很少停下来为这些成就鼓掌。
Yeah, it's rare that we kind of stop and applaud the accomplishment.
我喜欢这样带着一点庆祝和仪式感来认可这些成果。
I like that we can do that with a little bit of pop and circumstance yeah.
没错。
And Yeah.
而且你知道吧，我们昨天或者周六那天看了很多东西。
And it's, you know, we heard we just saw a lot yesterday or Saturday.
我们看到了那些获奖者身上展现出的品格，还听了一场特别棒的毕业致辞。
We saw a lot in the, just the the character of those people that were recognized for awards and we heard a great valedictorian speech.
她悄悄地调侃了我们俩一下，逗得我们哈哈大笑，这其实——
She did take subtle shots at both of us, which And made us laugh, which was,
如果
if
你能做到这一点，
you can accomplish that,
那说明
well It's a
这是一种爱的表现。
sign of love.
干得漂亮。
Good job.
干得漂亮。
Good job.
这说明她爱我们。
It's a sign of love.
她感到足够安心。
She felt comfortable enough.
她爱我们。
Loves us.
她知道我们爱她。
Knew that we loved her.
是的。
Yeah.
但我真的会想，那些毕业典礼上最打动我的一点是，你看观众席，有那么多往届的毕业生回来参加庆祝。
But I I really think about you know, the thing that I like about those graduations, you look at the audience and there's so many graduates previous years that are there celebrating.
是的。
Yeah.
这正是我们对年轻人身上所发生的一切感到兴奋的原因，因为他们总有一天会不再年轻。
And, that's really why we're excited about the work of God as it happens in young people because they're not always gonna be young people.
对。
Mhmm.
我们也都曾经年轻过。
We were once young.
很久以前了。
Long time ago.
现在，根据毕业致辞的学生代表说，我们已经不再年轻了。
And now, according to the the valedictorian, we're not young anymore.
我本来想说，牧师巴里，这其实一点都不含蓄。
I was gonna say that it wasn't that subtle, Pastor Barry.
那简直太明显了。
It was blatant and obvious.
哦，那真是段美好的时光。
Oh, it was a good time.
那真是段好时光。
Good times.
听好了，今天我们聊的是个特别激动人心的话题。
Well, listen, we're talking about an exciting topic today.
你明白的。
You know?
其实当我们回看《圣经》最开始的部分，创世记第一章，一开始，一开始就是……
And really something that, you know when when we think about the very beginning of the Bible, Genesis one, you know, in the beginning in the beginning.
经上说，起初神创造天地，地是空虚混沌，深渊上面一片黑暗。
And as we think about it, it says in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, and the earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep.
神的灵运行在水面上。
And the spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
神说：要有光，就有了光。
And God said, let there be light, and there was light.
是的。
Yeah.
我们想想这一点。
And we think about that.
这真是个了不起的主题。
What a what an incredible topic.
要有光。
Let there be light.
在祂开口创造世界之前，根本就没有光。
That before he spoke the world into being, you know, there was no there was no light.
当我们看创世记整卷书的进展，就会清楚看到人处境的重大转折——从伊甸园的得着，到伊甸园的失去，接着是神为我们预备的救赎计划，然后我们接受基督作救主，再往后是我们每天与神同行，而光在我们每日与神同行中是多么关键。
And when we consider the progression that happens through the book of Genesis and, there's a pretty big, you know, revelation of man's condition, you know, going from paradise gain to paradise lost, and then the plan of redemption that's laid out for us, and then our receiving Christ to be our savior, and then our daily walk with God and how the light is so important to us in our daily walk with God.
这些都是圣经里极其重大的主题。
And these are huge, huge topics in the Bible.
我们不妨想一想，竟然有一位敌人，专门敌对神所创造的生命。
And, you know, for us to to think about it for a minute, that there is somebody who's an enemy of the life that was created.
约翰福音第十章说，贼来无非是要偷窃、杀害、毁坏，但基督来是要叫人得生命，并且得的更丰盛。
You know, we consider in John ten ten that, you know, the the thief comes to kill and to steal and to destroy, but Christ comes to give abundant life.
所以这个原则在圣经里很清楚，也许今天我们就可以稍微聊聊这个。
And so that principle is clear in the Bible, and and maybe it's something that we can talk about a little bit here today.
那种藏在黑暗中的谎言，有多么微妙。
Just the the subtlety of the the lie that lives in darkness
和
and
当我们活在光中的时候，谎言被揭露得多么赤裸裸。
the incredible blatant, exposure of lie that happens when we're walking in the light.
那我们先来想想，什么是黑暗？
So let's start by saying, what is darkness?
真惊人。
Wow.
是的。
Yeah.
你提到了《创世记》。
You said it, Genesis.
我今天早上也做了同样的冥想。
I had the same meditation this morning.
这句话太震撼了，你知道吗？《创世记》第一章一开头就是这样的声音，故事一上来就炸开了。
What an incredible sentence, you know, like Genesis chapter one, first thing you get this voice, you know, this voice, like the the story starts with a bang.
我们听到了一个声音，却对这声音几乎一无所知。
We have a voice, barely know the voice.
经文说：神说，那神是谁？
It says, God said, who is God?
祂是一个人吗？
Is he a person?
祂是人类吗？
Is he a human being?
祂有身体吗？
Is he a body?
一开始，神就对着深渊、对着黑暗说话，对吧？
Like, right off the bat, God speaks into an abyss into darkness, right?
整本圣经的故事，其实讲的就是神把我们这些活在黑暗里的人带入光明，从创世记字面上看是这样，更深层地说，是关乎救赎；其实每天生活中，点点滴滴都在上演着光明与黑暗的争战。
Like the whole story of the Bible is really about God bringing us who are in darkness light from Genesis literally, but more spiritually in terms of salvation, but also really daily, daily in little ways, there is a battle between darkness and light.
我心里头也一直在经历光明和黑暗的争战。
There is a battle in my mind between darkness and light.
有旧我的残余，有堕落带来的影响，也有耶稣，有祂的话语和祂的生命。
There's the old man, there's the effects of the fall and then there's Jesus and there's His words and His life.
如果我们读圣经的时候，心里始终带着这个视角，就能在每一个故事里看见它，也能在自己的整个人生里看见这场争战——是基督活在我里面，还是神完全缺席。
So we could read through the Bible as we do so many times in so many different ways with just that in mind, we could see every story of the Bible and then we could see our entire lives as this battle between the presence of Christ in my life and no presence of God.
就是这样。
That's it.
黑暗，就是没有耶稣。
Darkness is there's no Jesus.
没有神说：要有光。
There's no God saying, let there be light.
没有耶稣走进我的生命。
There's no Jesus entering into my life.
所以从得救的角度来说，这当然是完全正确的。
So in salvation, that's of course ultimately true.
但今天早上我醒来的时候，心里并没有光。
But then also this morning when I got up, I did not wake up with light in my heart.
我醒来时又烦躁又累，心里一片阴暗，特别需要光。
I woke up grumpy and tired, dark, and I need some light.
是啊，说起来挺有意思，就连科学上也认为，黑暗不是一种实体，而是缺乏实体的状态。
Yeah, I mean, it's interesting even scientifically that darkness is not a substance, it's the absence of a substance.
对吧？
Right?
没错。
Yeah.
没有光的时候，就是黑暗。
It's it's without the presence of light, there is darkness.
但只要有生命在，黑暗就不存在。
But with the presence of life, there is no darkness.
有光的时候，黑暗依然可能存在。
Darkness can exist with the presence of light.
在日常生活中，挺有意思的是，我们原本有个旧的系统，但圣灵赐给了我们一个全新的系统，可有时候我们还是会回到旧系统里。
On our in our daily lives, you know, it's interesting that we're we have an operating system and we've been given a new operating system by the Holy Spirit, but sometimes we slip into our old operating system.
对吧？
Right?
我们刚才上节目前还提到过，魔鬼的诡计往往很微妙。
We can We can be limited by the fact that we we were just saying before we went on the air about the subtlety of the devil.
我们脑子里想的，未必是坏事或邪恶的事。
It might not even be a bad thing or an evil thing that we're thinking in our own minds.
可能只是一些自高自大、虚浮的想法，或者我们为此感到骄傲。
It might be something that's puffed up or vain or we're proud about it.
我们觉得这主意真棒，但其实它之所以显得好，只是因为我们靠自己的判断来决定它是好是坏。
We think it's such a great idea, but it's only really a great idea because it's left up to our own decision making process to determine whether it's a good idea or a bad idea.
而光的临到，可能会让我们看到另一种更关键、更有救赎意义的做法。
And the presence of light might show us that there's another more important and redemptive way to go about things.
对吧？
Right?
没错。
Yeah.
所以我们每天生活当中，早上醒来的时候。
So here here we are going through our daily lives and we wake up.
如果我们的情绪决定我们怎么行动，那就麻烦了。
And if our feelings are gonna determine how we go, we're in trouble.
对吧？
Right?
因为我们会接收到一些负面的暗示，比如‘你是个失败者’。
Because we receive a projection, You're a loser.
你知道，你手头的事情太多了。
You know, there's too much on your plate.
发生的事情太多了。
There's too much happening.
问题确实存在。
There's there's problems.
困难也不少。
There's difficulties.
我们就开始接受这些了。
And we start to receive that.
这些就成了我们的日常。
And that becomes our fellowship.
然后我们就活在黑暗里了。
Then we live we're we're walking in darkness.
对。
Mhmm.
是吧？
Right?
正因如此，我们更需要过这样的生活——在主面前俯伏下来，说：主啊，今天我需要你。
But this is even more why we need the kind of life that we have where we fall on our face before the Lord and say, I need you today.
对吧？
Right?
我每时每刻都需要你。
I need you for every moment.
我不愿被魔鬼的诡计牵引，只愿活在真理的客观中，而这只有在有光的时候才能实现。
That I wouldn't walk in the subtleties that the devil has, but I would walk in the objectivity of truth, which only can happen when we have light.
灯一亮，房间里的角落就暴露出来，所有躲藏的东西都现形了。
The light goes on in a room and out of that, the corners comes, you know, all measure of creatures.
没错。
Yes.
确实如此。
Yes.
它们四处逃窜，因为光已经照进了房间。
And they scurry because the light has come into the room.
是的。
Yes.
所以，有谁知道我们今天心里和脑子里藏着什么，需要神的同在来照亮，提醒我们别走那些我们自己觉得没问题的路。
So who knows what's in our hearts and our minds today that needs the presence of God just to illuminate and to say, don't walk in that direction that our own minds have confirmed is okay.
因为如果我们自己的心思没有与基督的心思连在一起，迟早会出问题。
Because if our own minds aren't linked together with Christ's mind, we're gonna have some difficulties.
真美。
Beautiful.
说得太好了。
That is great.
去年，或者更早之前，我读过司布真的这篇讲道，标题好像是《黑暗的观察》。
Last year or maybe even longer ago, read this message by Spurgeon and I think the title was Observations of Darkness.
今天早上我突然想起来，翻出了当时的笔记，里面有不少特别深刻的话。不过在谈他具体说了什么之前，我想说的是，我们常常把黑暗当成一种邪恶的力量，或者魔鬼。
So I remembered it this morning, I found the notes on it and there's just some beautiful things he says, but the point really before I even talk about what some of the stuff he said is that we often, I think we can think of darkness as this evil force, the devil.
但你刚才说的，确实是对的。
But what you just said, is really true.
其实在我自己心里，黑暗就是缺乏光，光一走，黑暗就来了。
That's actually in my own head, the absence of light, the darkness is there.
我觉得这就是约伯说的，神问约伯：‘是谁给你这些黑暗的建议呢？’
And I think that's what Job said, you know, like God says to Job, who is it that has given you dark counsel, right?
是谁呢？
Who is it?
我们可能会觉得，是你那三个朋友给了你错误的劝告。
Well, the temptation is to say, well, your three friends are giving you a dark counsel.
这倒也没错。
That's not untrue.
或者说，是魔鬼搞的鬼，但你想想，约伯记里话最多的谁？
Or the devil is caused all this and he's in But actually who does most of the talking in Job, right?
是约伯自己，正是他本人说了那些黑暗的话。
It's Job, Job himself is the one that gives him dark counsel.
这一点真的很深刻。
And that's really a good point.
我觉得我们生命中的很多黑暗，其实来自我们自己，因为我们没有紧紧抓住光。
I think a lot of darkness in our life comes from ourselves because we are not clinging to lights.
我们脑子里总有一些思维模式，想象的方式都不对，过的是不属于基督的生命。
We have patterns of thinking, we have imaginations that are in the wrong way and imaginative thought life that is not the life of Christ.
那不是基督的光。
It's not the light of Christ.
那不是耶稣的思维方式。
It's not how Jesus thinks.
如果我们靠自己，任由自己发展，最后会得到什么？
So on our own, left on our own, what are we gonna get?
我们的人生就会充满黑暗。
We're gonna have darkness in our life.
我们生命中的很多黑暗，其实只是因为我们一直在沿用错误的思维模式。
Much darkness in our life is just basically because we are following the wrong patterns of thinking.
这里引用了司布真讲道里的一句话，虽然做了简化，但他说：很多黑暗都是自家制造的。
Now there's a quote from that message from Spurgeon abbreviated here, but much darkness is merely home spun.
我很喜欢这句话——自家制造的，意思就是你自己在亲手编织着生命的黑暗。
I like that, it's home spun, you're spinning your own darkness in your life.
这话真戳中我了，因为我觉得说得太对了。
That hits home a little too much for me because I think that's so true.
接着他说，这是你自己杜撰出来的模式。
And then he says, made by the pattern of your own invention.
就像你刚才说的，我们明明在基督里有了新的生命和新的思维方式，却还是容易退回老样子。尤其是在试炼中，尤其在受伤害的时候，当事情不如意，或者被人冒犯时——我们太容易受伤、太容易被冒犯，还总把小事放大，反复琢磨，放不下。
Like you just said it too, like we fall back into our fallen states, even though we have new realities and new ways of thinking in Christ's And we kind of cause, we cast the shade on our life, especially in trials, especially when we've been hurt, especially when there's pain or things don't go our way, or how about this, when we've been offended, we get offended easily, we get hurt easily, we magnify it, we harp on it.
昨天晚上在教会，我问大家：你有没有想过，十年前你对某件事的看法是怎样的？
Yesterday, last night I said in church, have you ever thought about how you thought about a subject ten years ago?
想起来都觉得尴尬，真的挺尴尬的。
Like it's embarrassing, it's embarrassing.
我偶然翻到一封以前发过的邮件，没在讲道里提，但确实找到了。
I came across, I didn't say this in the message, but I came across an email I sent.
我不明白自己为什么还留着这封邮件。
I don't know why I kept the email.
那封邮件里我满是愤怒和沮丧，但其实背后真正的原因，是我受了伤。
Came across the email I sent because I was just so angry and upset and deep behind it was that I was hurt.
那是十二年前的事了，可能快十三年了。
It's like twelve years ago, maybe thirteen years ago.
我读着那封信，心里想：你真是个傻瓜，真是个傻瓜。
And I'm reading it going, oh, you fool, you fool.
你懂我的意思吧？
You know what I mean?
那是黑暗。
It's darkness.
完全是黑暗。
It's darkness.
你之所以活在自己制造的黑暗里，是因为你没有走神的路，你的言语会带来黑暗，你总想当受害者、总想觉得自己受了委屈。
You've spun your own homegrown darkness in your life because you're not following God's way and your tongue can cause darkness in your life and your tendency to be, feel or want to feel like a victim.
你懂我的意思吧？
You know what I mean?
我们就是这样，你明白的。
This is what we do, you know?
你想想看。
Think about this.
我们有多少次因为别人说了句坏话就生气？
How often are we upset because someone said something bad about us?
我们又为此花了多少时间？
And how much time do we dedicate on that?
有多少个夜晚我们辗转难眠，拼命为自己辩解？
And how many hours do we lay awake and how much do we defend ourselves?
我们反复演练要怎么说，要怎么替自己开脱，或者跟别人讲这件事。
How much do we rehearse the speech that we're gonna say and defend ourselves or tell, talk to others about this.
这就是自己造出来的黑暗。
This is home spun darkness.
生活中这种事太多了，都是老一套的思维模式，就像你说的，我们需要的，是多一点耶稣。
There's a lot of that in our life and it's just old patterns of thinking, like you said, and what we need is a little bit of Jesus.
我的意思是，我们有多少时间是在自己的假设里打转？
I mean, how much of our time do we spend with our own premises?
对吧？
Right?
我们其实是在心里自己定义什么是现实。
Like, we we determine to ourselves what our reality is, so to speak.
你有没有发现，现在社会上总听到这么一句话。
You know, we hear this phrase in the world today.
这不就是你的真相吗？
This you know, is that your truth?
我们可以用很多不同的方式去生活。
And and we can operate in a lot of different ways.
对吧？
Right?
我们可以听从自己的良知来行事。
We could operate in our own conscience leading us.
也可以靠道德感来引导自己。
We could operate morality leading us.
你知道吧，我们总会想到一些了不起的人，他们的动力来自于追求卓越或维持某种体面。
You know, we think of I think of some really great people in a sense, whose motive is their greatness or maintaining a certain decorum.
但有时候，耶稣走进圣殿，掀翻了桌子，因为他对人们如何对待他父亲的殿感到愤怒。
But sometimes Jesus is walking into the temple turning over the tables because he's upset at what has happened to his father's house.
那种做法，说白了，根本谈不上温柔。
And, you know, there's there's no kindness in that, so to speak.
可归根结底，当神介入并打乱我们的想法时，这才是最大的恩典。
Although ultimately, it's the greatest kindness you could ever have when God comes in and disrupts our thoughts.
对吧？
Right?
我们总以为自己在做一件正确的事。
We think we're doing something healthy.
我们觉得，只有献上这些祭物，才能满足神的心意。
We're we're selling the sacrifice needed to be able to fulfill what God's desire is.
可神却说：你看看你们都干了些什么。
And God's saying, look at what you've done.
你们玷污了我父亲的殿。
You've defiled my father's house.
对吧？
Right?
有时候，我们活在自己的良心里，以为这样没问题，其实只是被自己编织的黑暗蒙蔽了。
So here we are in our own conscience sometime, living in a way that we think is okay because we've spun our own darkness.
但我们从一开始的前提就是错的。
But our premise at the very beginning is incorrect.
换句话说，你刚才提到，我们有多少次因为别人说的一句话就感到被冒犯，这让我突然想到了。
In other words, you just reminded me when you said how how how many times are we offended by something that somebody says to us.
如果我们认定自己是义人，那么每次有人批评我们，都成了黑暗滋生的机会。
Well, if our premise is that I'm a righteous person, then every time somebody says something is an opportunity for darkness.
天哪。
Wow.
是的。
Yeah.
对吧？
Right?
但如果我的前提是我可能会错呢？
But if my premise is I can be wrong.
对啊。
Mhmm.
真没想到。
Wow.
你知道，如果别人有某种感受，我不是说我们时时刻刻都在自我反省。
You know, if somebody feels a certain way, but and I'm not saying we we operate in know, introspective all the time.
但如果我们能以健康的方式反省，像大卫说的那样，求神鉴察我、了解我，看看我一切的言行。
But if we're introspective to in a healthy way, if we say, God, search me, like David said, just search me and know me and and acknowledge me in all my ways.
确保我自己没问题。
Make sure I'm okay.
对吧？
Right?
你知道，你和我都从事青年事工很久了，我经常收到信件。
And, I you know, you and I both have been in youth ministry for a long time, and I get letters.
我也会收到邮件。
I get emails.
有时候，人们还会对我感到不满，你信不信。
And sometimes people are upset at me, believe it or not.
我真不明白他们怎么会对我有意见。
I I don't know how they could ever be upset with me.
我已经很久不写那种邮件了。
I stopped writing those emails
很久以前就不再写了。
a long time ago.
这好像成了家常便饭，你知道的。
It seems to be a regular occasion, you know?
是的。
Yeah.
有一种说法，觉得只要你做对了，每个人都会开心。
There is this concept that if you do things right, that everybody would be happy.
所以这才叫‘说法’嘛。
That's why they call them concepts.
但你知道吗？
But you know what?
有时候，人们有他们的理由才会不高兴。
Sometimes people have reasons for being upset.
他们给我写信的时候，我第一反应就是马上回复。
And when they write to me, I I have an immediate response.
然后我会说：‘谢谢耶稣。’
And I I have thank you, Jesus.
不知从什么时候起，我养成了一个习惯：写完回复就放进草稿箱，先不发出去。
Somewhere on the line, I made this my practice that I type my response, and I put it in the outbox, and I don't send it.
第二天再回头看，就会感叹：天啊。
Then I come back in and I read it the next day and I go, wow.
这里满是巴里·奎克，却鲜有耶稣基督的身影。
There's a whole lot of Barry Quirk and there are not a whole lot of Jesus Christ
在里头。
in there.
是的。
Yeah.
所以当情绪平复下来，事情也冷静了，我就能更真实地回应。
And so I have the chance to kind of when emotions have dropped and we settle things that I can respond in truth.
即便如此，我还是有可能歪曲事实，或者被误解，诸如此类。
And even then, there's opportunities for me to misrepresent or be misrepresent or whatever the case is.
但如果我们说：主啊，求你鉴察我、了解我，帮助我，岂不更好吗？
But how much better is it when we say, Lord, just search me and know me and help me.
对吧？
Right?
求你引导我活在真理中。
Help me walk in truth.
最棒的是，这根本不是个移动的目标。
And the thing that's so awesome is it's not a moving goalpost.
对吧？
Right?
我自己的想法才是不断变动的目标。
My my own concepts are moving goalposts.
十二年前，你对这事的感觉是那样的。
Twelve years ago, you felt a certain way.
可现在，你已经不这么想了。
Today, you don't feel that way.
没错。
Right.
我对事情的理解，也常常在变。
My own understanding of situations can be a moving goalpost.
但上帝的话语，昨日、今日、直到永远，都是一样的。
But the word of God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
对吧？
Right?
他的标准始终如一。
His standards are upheld.
当敌人向我猛扑过来时，我坚守真理的标准，因为这标准昨日、今日、直到永远都不改变，而且大有能力。
When when the enemy's coming rushing in against me, I uphold the standard of truth because that's the same yesterday, today, and forever, and it's powerful.
当我们想到创世记第三章，想到伊甸园里，夏娃在那里，蛇说：‘神岂是真说……’
And when we think about Genesis three and and the garden and we think about Eve, being there and the serpent saying, you know, didn't God say?
它只讲部分事实，用很多似是而非的言辞，操纵性地扭曲真相，骗了夏娃，于是人类的堕落就发生了。
Like, he he gave partial facts and used a lot of manipulative, truths or non truths, like manipulative outcomes and deceived Eve and the fall of man happens.
对吧？
Right?
保罗在《哥林多后书》十一章三节也说过，或者我前面刚引用过这节经文。
And it's still Paul says it in second, or I recorded the verse a little bit earlier.
《哥林多后书》十一章三节。
Second Corinthians eleven three.
他又说了一遍。
He says it again.
我怕你们的心被像蛇那样诡诈的手段迷惑，偏离了对基督那单纯的信靠。
I fear less by any means as the serpent beguiled Eve through the subtlety, so your mind should be corrupted from the simplicity that's in Christ.
换句话说，基督把事情变得很简单。
In other words, Christ makes it very simple.
对。
Mhmm.
他说：我就是道路、真理、生命。
He says, I'm the way, the truth, and the life.
对吧？
Right?
他说：我是世界的光。
He says, I am the light of the world.
对。
Mhmm.
如果你跟随我，我会揭示正在发生的一切。
And if you follow me, I'll be the one revealing what's going on.
我会成为照耀在黑暗中的那束光。
I'll I will be the beam of light that shines in in a dark place.
但如果我们陷入诡诈的投射中，就会收到那支燃烧的箭矢。
But if we operate in the subtlety of the the projection, you know, we receive that fiery dart.
我们让它融入了自己的思维方式。
We allow it to become part of our our thinking process.
于是我们的反应，就源于那种被伤害的感觉，而不是真理的客观立场。
Now our response is out of the hurt from that that thing that we received instead of the objectivity of truth.
是的。
Yeah.
结果就会完全不同。
And we have a completely different outcome.
真美。
Beautiful.
是的。
Yeah.
我喜欢关于基督的那份简单。
I like that part about the simplicity that is Christ.
在这件事上，你很容易被吸引去关注黑暗。
Because you'd be tempted on this subject to be focusing on the darkness.
对吧？
Right?
对。
Mhmm.
那也行。
That would be okay.
我们可以去分析黑暗，弄清楚它的来龙去脉。
So let's analyze darkness and figure it out and get to the bottom of it.
但事实上，我们对邪恶应当保持单纯，这并不意味着我们不知道邪恶存在，或者忽视它、掩盖它、装作没看见。
But actually, we ought to be simple concerning evil, which doesn't mean we don't know that there's evil or we ignore evil or we sweep it under the rug or we don't.
我们假装世上没有邪恶。
We pretend there is no evil.
我们经常这么做。
We do that a lot.
我很好，我很好，我很好，一切都好。
I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine, everything's fine.
我们经常这么做。
We do that a lot.
要维持一个体面的形象。
Have an image to uphold.
但其实我们看透邪恶，是为了看到谁呢？
But it's not that it's actually that we see through evil to who?
是耶稣，对吧？
Jesus, right?
就是基督里的单纯，对吧？
The simplicity that is in Christ, right?
对邪恶要单纯，也要保持在基督里的那份单纯。
Be simple concerning evil and the simplicity that is in Christ.
这几节经文在我心里一直是一体的。
Those verses have always gone together for me.
我们不是无视黑暗。
We don't ignore the darkness.
我们不假装它不存在，但也不会盯着它不放。
We don't pretend it's not there, but we also don't focus on it.
我们透过黑暗，去看见基督。
We focus through it and find Christ.
当你真正抓住耶稣，意识到祂就是光的时候，我觉得我们才真正摸到了重点，对吧？
And when you catch a hold of Jesus and He being the light, I think we're getting somewhere, right?
没错。
Absolutely.
我觉得那个故事的荒诞之处在于，蛇虽然竭力用真理来操控，但它用的是选择性隐瞒，故意漏掉关键信息。
And I think the craziness of that story is that the serpent use as much as he tried to use truth in a manipulative way, he used critical omissions, things that he didn't say.
对吧？
Right?
事情是怎么变成这样的？
Things and how does that happen?
这种事在我们生活中经常发生。
It happens a lot in our lives.
比如，不知不觉就相信了某种错误的想法或谎言。
Like, start to believe something in a subtlety or in a lie.
对。
Mhmm.
它会慢慢影响我们的思维方式。
And it starts to affect the way we think.
我们都知道，小时候常听人说，正确的想法带来正确的行为，正确的行为带来好的结果，好的结果又带来积极的情绪。
And we know, I mean, when we were little kids, we would hear right thinking produces right actions, which produces right results, which produces right emotions.
对吧？
Right?
一切从正确的想法开始。
It starts with right thinking.
那你打算让自己的头脑吸收些什么呢？
So what will you feed your mind?
对吧？
Right?
我记得有一首布莱恩·威廉姆斯的老歌。
And this is I remember an old Brian Williams song.
那你打算让自己的头脑吸收些什么呢？
What will you feed your mind?
你是选择世界的方式，让灵魂迷失方向？
You know, will it be the world's way, a place where your soul strays?
还是选择那使人完整的真理？
Or will it be the word that makes you whole?
对吧？
Right?
你要想想，上帝的话语能够进入某种情境，照亮那些从一开始就不对劲的地方。
And and think about that that that the word of God can enter into a situation and shine light on something that at the very beginning has a bad premise.
对。
Mhmm.
是吧？
Right?
比如，我们可能有某种感受，或者做出某种反应，然后就开始为它辩护了。
Like, maybe we feel a certain way or we react a certain way, and now we're starting to defend it.
我们甚至可能用道德观，或者以一种违背原文本意的方式去使用上帝的话语。
And we can even use morality or or we could use, even the word of God in a way that's not the intention of the of the the writer.
是吧？
Right?
但上帝的话语可以悄悄地让我们看清自己，你知道吗？我们到底从哪儿开始偏离的？
And but the word of god can come in and subtly expose our to us even, you know, where do we start?
我们的出发点到底是什么？
What's our premise?
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我们想想耶稣基督，他一生都被误解、被冤枉、被伤害，这些事他都经历过。
Where we what's the whole and when we think about Jesus Christ, he was continuously misunderstood and falsely accused and wronged and all of those things.
而我们却要效法这样的人。
And this is who we're supposed to be walking after.
对吧？
Right?
但我得保住自己的名声。
But, no, I gotta keep my reputation clean.
我得把形象维护好。
I gotta keep my ways up front.
你懂的。
You know?
就算我追随的是历史上最受误解的那个人，那又怎样？
It doesn't matter that I'm following the most misunderstood person on the face of the earth ever in history.
但神的话语奇妙之处就在于，它一进来，就能照出我们根本出发点可能出错的地方。
But, you know, the the beautiful thing about the light of of the word of god is that it comes in and it just exposes where our premise could be wrong.
它会让我们看到，自己最初的一步就走错了。
It exposes where our first steps are wrong.
这样一来，我们就不用整天活在自己的虚假和谎言里了。
And then we don't have to spend, you know, all of our time, living in our own falsehoods or our own lies.
我们还是会跌倒的。
We're still gonna fall.
每天早上醒来，都是崭新的一天。
Every day we wake up, every day is a brand new day.
我特别喜欢这一点：我们对基督的倚靠——到底需要多少这样的光呢？
And I love the fact that our reliance upon Christ how much of this light do we need?
我们需要全部的光。
We need all of
而且是持续不断地需要。
it continuously
因为每天早上我醒来，都还是一个普通人。
because every day when I wake up, I'm still a human being.
我还没有真正面对面地遇见基督。
I have not yet become a person who's face to face with Christ.
对。
Mhmm.
我仍在不断学习认识神，却常常忘了自己是谁。
And I'm still living in the process of understanding who God is and forgetting about who I am.
有时候，这场内心的挣扎并不容易。
And sometimes that's not such an easy battle,
是啊。
is it?
确实不容易。
No, it's not.
我喜欢‘挣扎’这个说法，不是因为我们有多厉害，而是因为我们需要承认：黑暗确实存在，而我们正需要那束光。
It's I like the idea of a battle, not so much that it's us, but you know, this admission that there's darkness and then we need the light, you know.
今天早上我读了《约伯记》，记得里面约伯的话里，到处都是关于黑暗的各种描述。
I was reading Job this morning, because I remember that in Job, the word darkness or different connotations of darkness are all over Job in his words.
在第三章里，‘黑暗’这个词出现了四次之多。
And I think in three, it mentions it like four times darkness, darkness, darkness.
他觉得自己深陷在一片黑暗之中。
He feels that he is in a very dark place.
如果你仔细分析他的整个心路历程——我之前记了一些笔记——你会发现，他之所以陷入黑暗，不是因为那些接二连三、难以承受的打击。
And if you analyze his whole thoughts, I wrote some things down on it, but if you analyze what he is thinking, then I think then you realize that he is in darkness and he's primarily in darkness, not because of the hard, unbelievably hard things that have happened to him.
他陷入黑暗，是因为他觉得自己已经失去了与耶稣的连接，对吧？
He is in darkness because he thinks that he has lost his connection with Jesus, right?
这才是他真正的考验。
That's his big trial.
他真正的挣扎是：主啊，你在哪里？
His big trial is like, Lord, where are you?
如果你任由这些事发生在我身上，那你一定是在与我为敌。
If you did this to me, then you must be against me.
你一定不再眷顾我了。
You must not be in my favor.
你一定是在惩罚我。
You must be like punishing me.
你明白我的意思吧？
You know what I mean?
他甚至说，你想要毁灭我，就像在第六章第九节里写的那样。
He even says, like you seek to destroy me in six:nine.
他总觉得，自己的苦难是上帝对他不满的直接惩罚。
Like he is under the impression that his trial is a direct result of God's displeasure with him.
这在他生命中笼罩了一片巨大的、沉重的阴云。
And it causes this massive, massive dark cloud in his life.
但这一切都只存在于他的脑海里，因为根本不是真的。
And it's all in his mind because none of it's true.
一句都不属实。
Not one word of it is true.
上帝跟你一点关系都没有，约伯。
God has got nothing to do with you, Job.
这场试炼跟你一点关系都没有。
This whole trial has got nothing to do with you.
这是一件超自然的事正在发生。
It's a supernatural thing happening.
可他却活在如此黑暗的时刻里，根本没意识到上帝就在其中。
And, but here he is living in this very dark, dark time, and he fails to see that God is in it.
他就是不愿承认，自己的故事早已被写进天意里——约伯成了圣经的一部分，成了上帝计划中的一环。
He just doesn't wanna acknowledge the fact that his story is woven into providence, like that Job becomes part of the Bible, that Job becomes part of God's plan.
上帝有话要对我们说，有功课要教我们，他就要借着约伯来成就。
God's got something to teach us, got something to say, and he's gonna use Job.
约伯却看不到，上帝就在这里。
And Job fails to see that God is here.
当你遇到试炼，事情不如意，或者有痛苦、有困难、有关系上的问题时……
So you have a trial or things don't go your way, or there's some pain or there's some problems or there's relationship problems.
这似乎是我们最大的问题。
That seems to be our biggest problem.
你就是不肯看见神就在其中。
And you refuse to see God in it.
你就是不肯承认，神自始至终都在那里。
You refuse to see that God is in it the whole time.
那神是怎么医治约伯，帮他走出黑暗的呢？
And how does God fix Job and his darkness?
在约伯记第38章，神只说了一句话：我是神，我就是神。
In Job 38, he just says, I am God, I am God.
喂。
Hello.
我是神，你懂什么？
I'm God, what do you know?
你什么都不知道，我是神。
You know nothing, I am God.
你知道我是谁吗？
Do you know who I am?
那接下来，会发生什么呢？
And then of course, what happens?
约伯说：我从前是瞎眼的，现在却能看见了。
Job says, I used to be blind, but now my eyes can see.
他走出了黑暗。
He's out of the darkness.
他走出了黑暗。
He's out of the darkness.
我特别喜欢这个一贯的主题——基督是黑暗中的光，带人走出黑暗。
I love this constant theme of Christ being the lights of the darkness, out of the darkness.
他的临在，就像轻轻一拨的开关。
He's the one that is the flicker of the switch by his presence.
他洁净了我们，也照亮了我们的思想和内心的黑暗，成为我们的光。
And he just clears us and our mind and our darkness and becomes lights.
当我们经历那些来自神的活泼话语时，生命中真正需要的，不就是耶稣的话语吗？
And when we have these rhemas of, what need I in my life is rhemas of Jesus, right?
我需要耶稣的一句圣言，因为当圣言临到时，会有两件事发生。
I need a rhema of Jesus because in the presence of a rhema, two things happen.
第一，我清楚地看见自己内心的黑暗。
Number one, I'm aware of my dark heart.
我意识到自己的败坏。
I am aware of my depravity.
我变得非常非常渺小。
I become very, very small.
同时，我也深深爱上了耶稣，看见祂是那光，是唯一能拯救我的那一位。
And then also I fall in love with Jesus and see Him as the light and as the very thing that can fix me.
约伯就是这个道理的绝佳例子。
So Job is a great example of that.
是的，这些想法真美，真美好。
Yeah, and it's beautiful thoughts, beautiful thoughts.
我觉得我们很容易迷失方向。
And I think that it's very easy for us to get lost.
我的意思是，我们来看、来分析《约伯记》。
I mean, we look at, we analyze the book of Job.
他有朋友来跟他说话，对吧？
He had friends that came and spoke to him, right?
是的。
Yeah.
其实，他们说的很多话本身也没错。
And actually, even what they said was not incorrect in in many cases.
那些话都是对的。
It was it was accurate.
对吧？
Right?
但那些话并不是神在那个处境中要传达的心意。
But it wasn't the heart of God for the situation.
也不是神允许那个处境要成就的目的。
And it wasn't what God was allowing for the situation.
那些朋友、他们的话、还有身处那样的境遇，到底能把约伯带离多远呢？
And how introspective or, you know, how how far Job could have been taken out of that picture
被
by
他妻子也说，你还要坚持你的正直到什么时候？
those those friends, the the words of the friends, the just being in the situation, you know, and his wife saying, you know, how long are you gonna retain your integrity, man?
这到底是在发生什么事？
Like, what's what's going on here?
归根结底，关键在于：我的想法是否与神一致？
And it all has to do with in the very premise of it, am I agreeing with God in my thinking?
对吧？
Right?
我的想法能不能跟神对上号？
Do I can I agree with God in my thinking?
我能不能看懂神在这事中的心意和目的？
Can I see God's point and God's purpose in in this situation?
还是说，这最终只是成了夸耀自己的纪念碑？
Or is it gonna be something that, you know, is a is a monument to myself.
我觉得，这正是我们容易出问题的地方。
And I think that's where we get in a lot of trouble.
对。
Mhmm.
我们总是把每件事都扯到自己身上。
Is that we make every situation about us.
对。
Mhmm.
但其实，事情根本不是关于我们的。
When the idea is that it's not about us.
上帝会用我们以各种不同的方式来成就祂的计划。
We are we're used by God in many different ways.
是的。
Yeah.
有时候是非常正面的。
Sometimes very positively.
有时候，我们成了上帝法庭上的证据，证明恩典如何在我们不配的时候依然运行。
Sometimes, you know, we become evidence in his court case of of how grace operates even when we don't deserve it.
其实情况本身并不要求我们配得，但上帝就是这样决定的。
You know, the situation doesn't call it deserve it, but that's how God decides to do it.
这真是件美好的事。
So it's a beautiful thing.
我觉得今天在听这个节目的人，大概都体会过不陷在自己想法里的价值，也明白我们容易被困在自己的思维里。
And I think that people out here listening to the program today, have probably seen the value of not thinking in their own thoughts or how we can get stuck in our own head and our own minds.
而摆脱这种状态的方法，就是去面对上帝对我们的说法。
And also that the way out of that is by putting our face into what God has to say about us.
对吧？
Right?
而不是我们自己怎么说自己。
Instead of what we have to say about us.
让我们关注别人怎么看我们。
Let's put our ourselves.
别人对我们的看法。
Someone else has to say about us.
对。
Yeah.
别人对我们的看法。
What someone else has to say about us.
给在场的听众一个建议。
Here's a thought for those out in the audience.
我相信，过去几个月甚至几年里，你们在收听这个节目时，一定有某些内容照亮了你内心曾经困惑或自我怀疑的地方。
I'm sure as you've listened to the program here these last months and years that you have had different aspects of this program shine light in areas where maybe you had different thoughts or different opinions about yourself or just struggles.
欢迎和我们分享这些经历。
And let us know about that.
请告诉我们，这个节目是如何帮助你的？
Let us know how has the program helped you?
这些话题是怎么改变你看待事物的方式的？
How have the topics changed the way you think about things?
我想，这正是我们今天所谈内容的一部分——不仅在于我们通过神的光照，去理解祂对我们的想法，更在于我们是否能以神的光为唯一动机，去对待他人？
I think this is a part of the example of what we're talking about here today is not only that we would understand how God's thoughts are towards us by Him shining a light on that, But also, how do we operate towards others with the light of God being our motive, or purely our motive?
我们来到这世上，究竟是为了什么？
What are we doing here on Earth?
我们在这世上匆匆而行，却活在恐惧中，明明知道神不偏待人，也不愿任何人沉沦。
We're passing the time of our sojourning in fear, just knowing that God is He's not a respecter of persons, but He's not willing that any should perish.
祂渴望所有人都能进入祂的生命。
He wants all to enter into His life.
所以，请告诉我们吧。
So let us know.
我相信你们可以发送邮件到 questionsgracehour dot org 提出问题。
I'm sure that you can send in your communications to questionsgracehour dot org.
我觉得，先生。
I think, Mr.
制作人，这样处理是最好的方式吗？
Producer, is that the best way?
Questionsgracehour dot org。
Questionsgracehour dot org.
你可以用这个邮箱不只是提问，还可以分享Grace Hour如何帮助了你，告诉我们你希望深入探讨的话题，以及在我们向神寻求这些议题时，你内心真正关心的是什么。
And you can use that not only to give us a question, but to tell us how Grace Hour has helped you out, to tell us, about topics that you would like to hear further about, and to give us an idea of what's on your hearts and your mind as we go to God for those topics.
昨晚的聚会非常棒，你也在其中分享了主要的信息。
So, we did have a great service last night, which you you shared the main message in.
约伯记这个主题就是那次内容的一部分。
And this topic of Job was part of that topic.
是的，约伯的故事经常在我脑海里，我研究过很多遍，真的很喜欢这个故事。
Yeah, Job is usually in my mind, I studied it so much and I do love that story.
这个故事对今天的我们来说依然非常贴切。
And it's so relevant to us today.
今天早上我读了另一个故事，是列王纪下19章，希西家收到西拿基立的信，那封信充满负面情绪，你几乎能看见他陷入黑暗之中。
The other story that I read this morning was Hezekiah, two Kings 19, where Hezekiah receives that letter from Sennacherib, like he gets this extremely negative letter and you could just see him falling into darkness.
坏消息来了，而且糟糕透顶。
There's bad news and it's really, really bad.
我们常在旧约里提到、也最爱听的一个故事就是，他跪下来，把那封信在主面前展开，对吧？
And one of our favorite stories in the Old Testament often quoted, often received is that he gets on his knees and then he spreads the letter before the Lord, right?
你面对的是坏消息、黑暗、攻击、可怕的言辞、威胁。
So you have the negative news, you have the darkness, you have the attack, you have the horrible words, you have the threats.
你的生活马上就要天翻地覆了。
Your life's about to be turned upside down.
这些我们都懂。
We all know about that.
这些事在我们每个人的生命里，都会在不同时间发生。
That's all happening in our lives at different times.
可接下来呢？你打算怎么办？
And then this idea of yet now, what are you gonna do?
你到底要怎么做？
What are you gonna do?
你打算一直陷在那片黑暗里吗？
Are you gonna live in that darkness?
当然你会这么做，但关键是，可以把这些黑暗和负面的东西交托给耶稣。
And of course you do, but this idea that the darkness, that the negative part can be given to Jesus.
我刚才说得太轻松了，对吧？
Now that these are, I just said that so easily, right?
哦，对啊，直接交给耶稣就好了。
Oh yeah, just give it to Jesus.
我们总这么说，但做起来真的太难了。
We always say that, but it's painfully hard.
是的，确实很难。
Yes, it is.
真的很难。
Painfully hard.
确实如此。
It is.
也许这是我们基督徒最难做到的事，但神的答案通过以赛亚传达了：西拿基立怎样来，也必怎样回去。
Maybe the hardest thing we do as Christians, but the answer, God's answer, answers him through Isaiah and it says, by the way he came, Sennacherib, by the way he came, the same shall he return.
这个说法真有力，我很喜欢。
And that's kind of like, I like that powerful statement.
没错，问题确实有，困难也很多，眼下这局面确实一团糟。
Yes, problems, yes, issues, yes, we've got a mess going on here.
我把这一切都交托给耶稣。
I'm giving it to Jesus.
当我把这一切交托给耶稣时，它怎样来到，也必怎样离去。
And when I give it to Jesus, by the way that it came, it will return.
这事终会结束的，对吧？
It's gonna be over, right?
我们不该一直陷在里面。
We don't linger in it.
但我们确实常常陷在里面。
We do linger in it.
这并不会消失。
That doesn't go away.
问题还在，但有一个根本的根基。
The problems don't go away, but there's a foundational piece.
有一种根本的安息。
There's a foundational rest.
不一定总是，也不一定完美，但确实有一种叫平安的东西，有一种叫光的东西，哪怕在最糟糕的日子里也能闪耀。
Not always, not perfectly, but there is this thing called peace and there is this thing called lights that can shine even in the worst days.
你懂我的意思吧？
You know what I mean?
你经历试炼的时候，哪怕在最黑暗的时刻，也在寻找神，只想找到神。
You can go through a trial and you have your moments in a horrible time and you're just finding God, you're just trying to find God.
你可能半夜醒着，心里说：耶稣，帮帮我。
You might even be up at night saying, Jesus help me.
我在寻找那道光。
I'm looking for the light.
让我平静下来吧。
Just settle me.
我最近听到沙拉牧师说，他从某件事里得释放了。
I heard pastor Shalar say recently that he was released on something.
他在一个周末听了另一位牧师的讲道，就突然得释放了。
He was released on a weekend hearing a message from another pastor and he was released.
我就信这个。
And I just believe in that.
我相信，如果我们把重担交给神，而不是一直抱着、养着，像照顾伤口一样天天守着这些问题和试炼，活在其中。
I believe that if we give it to God rather than harbor on it or nurse it, we like nurse our problems and nurse our trials and we just live in it.
你可能会遇到一些人，他们谈起十年前、二十年前、甚至三十年前的事，痛苦还像新的一样，但我们得学会把这一切交给神。
You can meet someone that will talk about something that happens ten or twenty or thirty years ago and the pain is still there, but we have to learn how to give it to God.
当我们这么做了，我觉得生命里就会有光透进来，也许一开始只是一点微光，但随着时间推移，这光会越来越亮，成为一条路，一条美好的路。
And when we do, I think a light comes into our life and maybe just a little light in the beginning, but then over time that light grows and it's a pathway, and it's beautiful.
我觉得，信徒在恩典和对耶稣基督的认识上不断成长时，基督的形象会越来越清晰，而我们自己在画面中的位置，反而越来越不重要了。
I think one of the amazing things about believers growing in grace and knowledge of Jesus Christ is it becomes more and more clear who he is in the picture, and we are less and less concerned with who we are in the picture.
是的
Yeah.
我们与神一同成长的过程中，要学会定睛在耶稣身上，他是我们信心的创始成终者。
And this is part of our maturation process with God is learning to look in look unto him, the author and the finisher of our faith.
对吧？
Right?
别总盯着自己。
And not be so occupied with ourselves.
毕竟，我们天天跟自己在一起。
And, you know, we are we live with ourselves.
别人夸我们的时候，我们常常很惊讶，因为我们知道，幕后那个真实的自己，根本没那么好。
You know, we're always amazed when people say something kind about us because we know that behind the scenes, it's us they're talking about.
对吧？
Right?
我们总会说：‘主啊……’
You know, we we say, oh, Lord.
这是一种恩典。
It's a it's a grace.
你知道，这是上帝的奇迹。
You know, it's it's a miracle of God.
我每天早上醒来，都觉得自己是蒙了怜悯的牧者。
I wake up in the morning and you're pastors of mercy.
但我越明白这一点，就越愿意让上帝在我生命中做工，因为我意识到，这根本不是关于我。
But the more I realize that, the more I'm available for god to do something with my life because I realize it's not about me.
对。
Mhmm.
从一开始就是这样。
Right from the get go.
太棒了。
Wow.
说得真好。
That's so good.
是的
Yeah.
你知道，我们常常想到罗马书13章12节，说因为我们终极得救的日子——就是我们最终回家与主同在的那一天——正越来越近，而随着周围的世界越来越黑暗，我们也越来越明白，必须穿上神光明的军装。
And this is like, you know, we we think about, Romans thirteen twelve says, that we because the day of, our ultimate salvation, the day that we're gonna finally come home to be with the Lord, it it draws closer and closer that also we're learning how, as the day goes darker and darker around us, that we need to put on the armor of the light of God Mhmm.
越来越如此
More and more.
是的
Yeah.
要得着坚固、被建立，这其实挺有意思的。
And, to be fortified, to be built up, we it's funny.
我们年纪越大，越久活在神的话语里，越被围绕在祂话语的团契中，就越意识到，我们自己根本一无所有，离所需的一切都差得太远。
The older we get and the longer we've been in the word and the more we've been surrounded with fellowship around His word, the more we realize we don't have anything that we remotely we haven't achieved remotely close to what we need for our lives.
这恰恰相反。
And it's kind of opposite.
这违背常理。
It's counterintuitive.
我本来想悄悄瞒着的。
I was trying to keep that on the down low.
可我们现在是在网上啊。
We're on the internet here.
你猜怎么着？
Guess what?
大家都知道了。
People know.
哎呀，这下糟了。
Oh, shucks.
是啊。
Yeah.
所以我们越来越明白，我每天都需要祂。
So, you know, the more we realize, you know, I need him every day.
对。
Yeah.
我每小时都需要他。
I need him every hour.
我们不是那种上了学，成了某个领域的专家，之后一辈子就靠那点知识过日子的人。
We're not we're not relying on something, you know, like we went to, school to become a specialist in some area and now, the rest of our lives, we can just live in that knowledge.
我们去上学，结果毕业时才发现，自己不懂的东西还多着呢。
And we went to school, and it showed us at the end of it how much we didn't know yet.
对吧？
Right?
我总说，当年我们从圣经学校毕业的时候，只知道怎么在圣经里找到那些能造就自己的经文。
I always say, you know, when we became when we graduated from bible school, we knew how to find the places in the bible that we needed to be built up in.
但后来当我们开始教圣经的时候，才意识到：天啊，这个我其实不懂。
And then as we teach the bible, as teachers in the Bible, we're realizing, wow, I don't know this.
我真想更深入了解，把其中的四个真理都弄明白。
Like, I would love to know this even more and get to know the the four truths in it.
当我们成为牧者，传讲神的话时，才真正明白：我懂得太少了。
And we become pastors, and we're sharing the word, and we say, I know nothing as I ought to.
但我认为这样其实更有益处。
But I think there's health in that.
是的。
Yeah.
对吧？
Right?
当我们开始觉得自己已经懂了，变得熟悉了，就会滋生轻慢。
When we start to to believe we know something and we start to get familiar with it, it breeds contempt.
对吧？
Mhmm.
你知道吗？
You know?
我们开始觉得，不需要每天靠圣灵来更新自己了。
We start to think, I don't need the I don't need the refreshing every day of the the Holy Spirit.
也不需要让自己的心思意念不断被更新了。
I don't need to have my not my mind being renewed.
但事实上，这完全跟真相相反。
But actually, it's the farthest thing from the truth.
日子越近，我们越需要这个。
We need that more and more, as the days go go closer.
所以我们绝不放弃聚会。
That's why we forsake not the assembling.
阿门。
Amen.
你赐予我们怜悯。
You got our mercy.
你是我生命中的光，我需要这个。
You need it for lights in my life.
是的。
Yeah.
顺便说一句，你刚才说的话让我有点触动，因为我一直说，别把试炼怪到人身上。
What you just said, by the way, it kind of hit me a little bit because I always say, don't make the trial about the person.
你懂我的意思吧？
You know what I mean?
可能有人跟你过不去，或者类似的情况。
There's some maybe some somebody is against you or whatever.
你经历过离婚，或者朋友之间闹矛盾，你知道那是什么感觉。
Don't you know, what you you went through a divorce or you have a friend or whatever, you know how it is.
我通常说，别把焦点放在那个人身上，这没错，但你刚才说得更好——问题核心在于对方在攻击你。
And I would say, don't take the person out of the picture, which is good advice, but actually you say it better because the person is attacking you and that's the core issue.
你把事情变成针对你个人的了。
You are making it about you.
你把事情变成针对你个人的了。
You're making it about you.
别把自己掺和进去。
Take yourself out of it.
而且这样做的覆盖面更广，能更好地应对黑暗。
And then also that is a wider net, so to speak, to catch the darkness.
这样就能涵盖所有情况、所有场景。
Like that covers any scenario, any situation.
你别把自己掺和进去。
You take yourself out of it.
你去仰望上帝。
You look to God.
我喜欢这个说法。
I like that.
我可能只是个方便的发泄对象。
I might just be a convenient target.
上帝可能正在某个人的生命中做工，正好碰到了他的敏感点。
God might be doing something in somebody's life, and it's touching a nerve.
对。
Mhmm.
我就是他触碰到的那个敏感点，所以我成了他们发泄的对象。
And I represented that nerve that he was touching, and I might be the person they lash out at.
是的
Yeah.
对
Yeah.
你知道，我觉得确实发生过这样的事。
You know, I believe that's happened.
是的
Mhmm.
我觉得确实发生过。
I believe that's happened.
在我自己的生活中，我也经历过。
I believe it's in my own life Mhmm.
我是在回应一些上帝正在触动我内心的事，结果我却把这种情绪发泄在别人身上，把他们当成发泄怨气的替罪羊。
That I I'm reacting to something that God is like piercing my heart about, and I end up doing that in a manner that makes someone else's my convenient target, someone else my convenient target of, my angst.
是的
And Mhmm.
你知道，那不是事实。
You know, that's not the that's not truth.
我们能不能在每种情况下都往好的方面想？
And how about we think the best in every situation?
约翰福音第七章二十五节说，我们要按公义判断。
It was John seven twenty five says that we we judge righteous judgment.
对吧？
Right?
这是圣经里唯一一次提到判断是可以的。
It's the one time in the Bible where judging is kinda okay.
要按公义判断。
Judge righteous judgment.
对吧？
Right?
人看的是外貌。
Man looks at the outward appearance.
神看的是人心。
God looks at the heart.
当我们看到有人对我们或别人发脾气时，能不能用救赎的眼光去看他们，想想他们其实很痛苦？
When we see somebody lashing out at us or someone else, can we look at them with the eyes of redemption and say, you know, they are hurting.
对。
Mhmm.
他们真正需要的是明白，解决痛苦的出路在于基督，把一切交托给他。
And what do they need that will help them understand their their the solution to their pain is in Christ, giving it to them.
对吧？
Right?
把一切交托给神。
Giving it to God.
要把你的重担卸给祂，因为祂顾念你。
Cast your cares upon him because he cast your cares because he cares for us.
正如你所说，这真的很难做到。
And as you said, it's a very difficult thing to do.
对吧？
Right?
把我们的问题全都交托给上帝，这对我们来说真不容易。
It's a difficult thing for us to just offload our problems onto God.
我们总想自己解决它们。
We wanna fix them.
这正是人的本性。
That's our nature as men.
我们总想亲自搞定。
We wanna fix.
是的。
Mhmm.
但上帝并不在意我们自己想出来的解决办法。
But God's not so interested in our fix.
他在意的是，你是否愿意听我说的话？
He's interested in, are you willing to hear what I have to say to you?
对。
Mhmm.
有时候，我们这种想解决问题的念头，反而让我们变得有点脆弱。
Sometimes that fixes makes us a little bit vulnerable.
对。
Mhmm.
但当我们转向祂的时候，就会明白，祂带来的结果是持久的，不是为了让我重建自己的王国，而是让我明白，上帝造我们原本是要我们在祂的国度里成为怎样的人。
But as we turn to him, we see that his the results are are permanent and they're not, about me reestablishing my kingdom, but about me understanding who it is that God's made us to be in his kingdom.
对。
Mhmm.
真美。
Beautiful.
你有没有注意到，有人提到与主相交这件事时，说了点什么？
Did you see, there's someone that talks about fellowshipping with the Lord making a comment.
我今天早上思考这个主题的时候，心里就想着这节经文。
And I did have that verse in mind this morning when I was thinking about the subject.
基督是我们生命中的光。
Christ is light in our life.
是的，基督就是光，基督确实是光。
So is Christ light, yes, Christ is light.
约翰福音第一章说，基督是光，对吧？
John one, Christ is light, right?
就像祂的话语一样，这里有三个词：道、生命和光，它们在这一章里是同时存在的，本质上是一体的，可以互换使用。
Like His word, there's three words, there's logos, the word, and then there is life and then there is lights and they are simultaneously, they're the same thing, they're interchanged in chapter.
祂就是道，道就是照亮我前路的光，这一切都指向耶稣。
And he is the word, he is the word is a light onto my path like this, that's all Jesus.
但这并不是一个遥远抽象的概念。
But that is not an abstract, like far away concept.
我们常会说‘耶稣是答案’，这话没错，但我特别喜欢约翰一书里说的：‘在祂里面有生命，这生命就是人的光。’
Like we talk often like this, Jesus is the answer kind of, and that is so much true, but I love in one John one, in him was life and in that life was the light of men.
祂里面就是生命，祂里面就是生命，对吧？
In Him is life, in Him is life, right?
当我们与祂相交时，耶稣基督就在其中。
And Jesus Christ is when we have fellowship with Him.
这讲的是约翰一书1章6到7节。
So that's one John one:six-seven.
如果我们说与祂相交，却活在黑暗里，那就是说谎，不遵行真理。
If we say we have fellowship in Him yet we walk in darkness, we lie and we do not practice the truth.
你不能只是随便说一句：‘耶稣，行，我盯着你呢。’
Like, it's not like you can just say, okay, Jesus, yep, I got my eye on you.
脑子里有个耶稣的概念，觉得祂能解决我所有问题，这就完了。
I got the idea of Jesus in my head and the concept of Jesus is this and yep, He'll take care of all my problems.
不，基督说的是：我想与你建立亲密的关系。
No, Christ is saying, want a fellowship with you.
你得真正认识我。
You got to get to know me.
你得明白我是谁。
You got to understand who I am.
你得了解我的想法。
You got to know how I think.
你得明白我说什么，了解我怎么做。
You got to know what I say, you gotta know how I act.
你得跟我建立亲密的关系。
You gotta get intimate with me.
你得知道我经历了怎样的苦难。
You gotta know how I suffered.
这正是我最看重的方式。
That's my favorite way.
每当我经历低谷时，研读耶稣的受难总让我觉得离他最近。
I never feel closer to Jesus than when I study his suffering, especially if I'm going through a bad time.
这是走出黑暗的绝佳方式。
That's a great fix to get out of your darkness.
但基督并不是在说，他不是什么古老的遗物。
But like Christ is not saying, it's not like some relic.
这可不是什么挂在墙上的圣物，然后你瞟一眼就说：‘看啊，耶稣，我在注视你了’。
It's not like some relic that you can put on the wall and say, Oh, there Jesus, are my eyes on Jesus?
不，不，绝对不是。
No, no, no.
我们得与耶稣有真实的团契。
We got to fellowship with Jesus.
与祂的话语建立团契。
To fellowship with His word.
我们得真正认识祂是谁。
We got to get to know who He is.
在讲道里我说过，我们总在谈顺服，但如果你不认识祂是谁，根本谈不上顺服。
In the service, I said, we talk about obedience all the time, that there is no obedience unless you know who He is.
你得清楚祂是什么样的人，怎么思考，以及祂希望我们顺服和效法什么。
You got to know what He's like and how He thinks and what He wants us to obey and be like.
这些你心里必须明明白白。
You got to have that clear in your head.
否则任何顺服都是空洞的。
Otherwise any obedience is like empty.
是的，我会听你的，但我根本不知道你到底在说什么。
Yeah, yeah, I'm going to obey what you have to say, but I don't know what you have to say.
就像我是学校的老师，你是校长，我说是是是，我遵守规矩，可我连规矩是什么都不清楚。
Like I'm a teacher in the school, you're the principal and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I follow the rules, but I don't know the rules.
我不了解你的做事方式。
I don't know how you operate.
我不懂你的文化背景。
I don't know what your culture's like.
我不知道该听什么。
I don't know what say.
不，我必须与祂有亲密的相交。
No, I gotta have fellowship.
在约翰一书里，我觉得相交和光明是有联系的，而黑暗和缺乏相交也是对应的，对吧？
The light, I think in one John, there is a correlation between fellowship and light, and there's a correlation between darkness and not having fellowship, right?
老兄，你迷路了。
Like, man, you're lost.
所以耶稣，你到底是谁？
So Jesus, it's who are you?
你究竟是谁？
Who are you?
你今天在哪里？
Where are you today?
主啊，跟我说话吧。
Talk to me, Lords.
我正在寻找你，主啊。
I'm seeking you, Lords.
打开你的圣经。
Open your Bible.
你其实盼着他突然出现，对吧？
You're kind of hoping that he pops out, right?
你去教会，是因为你需要。
You go to church and you need it.
你为什么去教会？
Why do you go to church?
因为你需要。
Because you need it.
你需要耶稣向你显现。
You need Jesus to reveal himself.
你正在与耶稣相交。
You're fellowshipping with Jesus.
当他受苦时，你也想与他一同分担这份苦难。
And then when he suffers, you wanna fellowship in his suffering.
当我受苦时，我感受到与他的苦难相连，这一切就变得轻省了。
When I suffer, I identify with his suffering and it's light.
通过这段关系，光明正进入我里面，对吧？
Light is being brought into me through a relationship, right?
天啊，内容真多。
Wow, there's a lot.
这个话题太丰富了。
That's a rich topic.
这里面有深意。
There's a message in there.
对吧？
Right?
太初有道，道与神同在，道就是神，这背后的含义太深刻了。
The logos and the the reflection of God in the beginning when was the word and the word was with God and the word was God.
神看着他的儿子，其实是在看自己的映像。
And here's God looking at his son, but he's seeing the reflection of himself.
对。
Mhmm.
是的。
Yeah.
这一切都从这里开始。
This is where it all starts.
对。
Yes.
神的本性是在祂的光中显明的。
It all starts that the character of God is revealed in the light of God.
对。
Yes.
对吧？
Right?
耶稣基督。
Jesus Christ.
对。
Yes.
然后我们有‘雷玛’，那是真理向我们活生生的彰显。
And then we we have rhema, which is like the expression of truth to us that it's a living expression of that truth.
对。
Mhmm.
我觉得有时候我们只想活在那种属灵启示的体验或激动中。
And I think sometimes we wanna live in the experience or the excitement of a rhema.
给我一个启示吧。
Like, give me a rhema.
给我一个全新的想法，但我们却不肯花时间去认识神的性情。
Give me a fresh thought, but we don't wanna spend the time to get to know the character of God.
对。
Right.
神的性情，你知道的，从神学角度来讲，我们其实并不把它们分开。
And the character of God, you know, and I know that, you know, in a theological sense, we're not separating them out.
但我只是想说，我们想享受从神而来的自由与释放，却不愿花时间去真正认识神是谁。
But I'm just saying that, like, we wanna live in this experiential, liberty that comes from from God, but we don't wanna spend the time of getting to know who God is.
我认为，作为信徒，当我们因着神的本性而被改变，内心开始以祂的样式来看待自己时——
And I think that really as as believers, when we are changed in our inward man by who God is and we start to see ourselves after who he is.
对吧？
Right?
我们认识祂，自然也就明白祂怎么看我们。
We know who he is, so therefore we know how he thinks about us.
当我们开始这样看待自己，才真正开始改变看待他人的态度。
That's when the process starts to change about how we think about others.
这是个很棒的主题，我们今天只是刚开了个头。
So this is a beautiful topic, and I think we've only scratched the surface on it.
非常适合大家深入研读。
It's a great one for people to do study.
今天有很多精彩的分享，感谢史蒂文、伊丽莎白、洛雷塔，还有来自乌克兰的弗拉基米尔在观看。
And there was lot of great thoughts here, Steven, Elizabeth, Loretta, Vladimir from Ukraine is watching us.
这真是太棒了。
What a what an awesome thing.
我以前在匈牙利的室友，一起住了几晚。
My old roommate from Hungary for a couple nights.
真好啊，能有上帝照亮我们的生活，让我们有机会修正和面对问题。
Boy, it is great to have the ability to have God shine a light on our lives and to be able to have things corrected, addressed.
我们可以很快地与上帝持相同看法。
We can agree with God quickly.
我们可以凭着信心去实践这些道理。
We can apply things by faith.
我们未必明白这一切是怎么运作的，但我们知道，既然上帝说这是有效的，他就会在我们日常生活中向我们显明他话语的真理。
We don't we don't know how it all works, but we know that we can agree with him because he says it works and that he'll reveal to us in our our daily lives the truth of what he's saying.
今天能和你们在一起真是太好了，彼得牧师。
So great being with you today, Pastor Pete.
谢谢我们这边出色的工程师。
Thank you for our great, engineer over here.
该请他上线了。
It's time to get him on the air here.
我同意。
I agree.
对，我同意。
I agree.
别再这样了。
Enough of this.
他总是躲在那边的角落里。
He's always hiding in the corner over here.
我知道。
I know.
欢迎大家本周来参加我们的聚会
Come and join us, this week at our services.
周三晚上的聚会会在下午6点半开始
Wednesday night, we'll have a service 06:30 p.
下午
M.
不对，抱歉，是晚上七点。
No, I'm sorry, seven p.
是的
M.
六点半来吧。
Come at 06:30.
你到得挺早的。
You'll be there early.
七点。
Seven p.
是的
M.
周日早上九点十一分和六点半也有聚会。
And then Sunday mornings at 09:11 and 06:30 p.
是的
M.
或者给我们发条消息，说说恩典时光对你意味着什么。
Or just send us a note and tell us what the Grace Hour has meant to you.
感谢您花时间参与这里的内容。
We appreciate your your time here.
祝您剩下的时间过得愉快。
Have a great rest of your day.
愿上帝保佑您，感谢您的收听。
God bless you, and thanks for tuning in.
明天同一时间请继续收听《恩典时刻》的下一集。
Tune in tomorrow at the same time for the next segment of the Grace Hour.
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