第759集 | 住在基督里：找回你的人生

当然。

Sure.

然后你试图从那里获取力量和生命。

And then you're trying to gain your strength and gain your life from there.

所以她在书中的一部分确实说到，健康的思维生活，讨神喜悦的思维生活，源于与他亲密的关系。

So she actually says in a portion of the book, a healthy thought life, a thought life that is pleasing to God comes out of a close relationship with him.

就像病毒一样，我们的想法有能力耗尽我们的精力，削弱我们的用处。

Like a virus, our thoughts have the ability to drain our energy and cripple our usefulness.

然而，当我们默想圣经中强有力的真理，并让神通过这些真理来改变我们的思维方式时，我们的想法可以成为力量的源泉。

Our thoughts can, however, be a source of strength when we dwell on the powerful truths of scripture and let God work through those truths to change our way of thinking.

那太好了。

That's so good.

那我们来聊聊恐惧吧。

So let's chat about fear for a minute.

好的。

Okay.

想想你在这个世界上最讨厌、最让你害怕的东西是什么。

Every think of the worst thing you hate in the world that makes you fearful.

对我来说，是一种长长的细条爬行动物，前几天我在露台上看到一只，简直吓疯了。

For me, it's a certain long skinny reptile and I saw one on my deck the other day and just lost my mind.

二十六年来，我从来没在露台上见过这种爬行动物。

Never in twenty six years have I seen this reptile on my deck.

我的露台离地大概有二十英尺高，在我看来。

My deck is 20 feet in the air, it seems like to me.

我应该是安全的。

I would be safe.

但我的心跳开始加速。

But my heart rate started.

你知道，我几乎喘不过气来。

You know, I could hardly breathe.

我的肌肉都绷紧了。

My muscles got tense.

我胃里一阵翻腾。

My stomach dropped.

但当我们跨过那条线时，心想：哦，好吧，哇。

But when we crossed the line from, oh, okay, wow.

然后我们慢慢把自己拉回来。

And we walk ourselves back.

你知道的，我得想想该怎么应对这种情况？

You know, how am I going to deal with this?

还是说，我把露台再抬高40英尺？

Or do I raise my deck even 40 feet higher?

我是不是该开始基于恐惧来做决定了？

Do I start making decisions based on fear?

我们做的第一件事就是高估危险。

And the first thing we do is we overestimate danger.

没错。

Yes.

箴言22章，第13节有个人说，外面有狮子。

Proverbs 22, a guy says in verse 13, there's a lion outdoors.

我会被这狮子咬死。

I will be slain by this lion.

好吧，也许有一天外面真会有狮子。

Well, many there could be one day a lion outdoors.

但这种事多久才发生一次？

But how many times does that happen?

是的，我的露台上确实有过一只爬行动物。

Yes, there was a reptile on my deck.

但二十六年来，一直都没有。

But for twenty six years, there hasn't been.

所以我不会因为这个就不去露台了，对吧。

So I'm not gonna stop going on my deck Mhmm.

就因为这么一件事。

Because of this thing.

但如果我们专注于恐惧，我们就会以它为中心

But we center if we're focused on fear

是的。

Yes.

我们生活的重心就变成了逃避那些让我们害怕的事情，是的。

We center our life on avoiding things Yes.

而不是专注于我们真正看重的东西。

Rather than what we value.

米歇尔，你其实完全可以这么说：既然这只爬行动物闯进了我的生活，我现在就要开始想象所有可能发生的可怕事情。

And you could have very easily, Michelle, said, well, now that this reptile has made its way into my life, I am going to now imagine everything horrible that could have happened.

是的。

Yes.

然后让这种恐惧完全支配我对这个露台的看法。

And now I'm going to let the fear in this situation completely rule how I even think about this deck.

是的。

Yes.

我该怎么去面对它。

How I even approach it.

我会把2026年完全忘掉。

I'm gonna forget all about this 26.

它好像不存在了一样，因为今年是那只爬行动物出现在我面前的一年，现在这成了唯一重要的事。

It doesn't even exist anymore because this is the year that the reptile was in front of me, and now that's all that matters.

我们就是这样做的。

And that's what we do.

出于恐惧，我们会说，天哪。

Out of our fear, we say, oh my goodness.

因为我很讨厌这种感觉，所以我必须进入自我保护模式。

Like, because I hate how this feels so much, I have to go into protect myself mode.

对。

Yes.

但你真正抓住的其实是自己的肉体，而不是去寻求上帝的帮助。

But what you reach into actually is your flesh rather than reaching for God.

因为哪个哪个更容易？

Because which which one is easier?

你知道吗？

You know?

让上帝真正触碰你破碎的地方，那很难。

Letting God really touch that place where you're so broken, that's hard.

你知道，有时候要回到那些你必须承认的记忆，那些你一直带着的东西。

You know, going back sometimes to those memories that you have to acknowledge, those things that you've carried with you.

也许没人知道，但你每天都带着它。

Maybe nobody else knows about it, but you carry it every day.

当然。

Sure.

而且你真的觉得自己能躲过上帝。

And you you actually feel like you can hide from God.

是的。

Yes.

你知道，你会为其他人和所有事情祷告，但你就是不会为那件事祷告。

You know, you'll pray about everyone else and everything else, but you're not gonna pray about that.

那是不可触碰的领域。

That is untouchable territory.

对。

Yep.

但上帝是那位不仅要在那个领域扶持你，还要对你说话的上帝。

But God is the God who wants to be the one who not just holds you in that area, but speaks to you.

而且我觉得有时候当上帝说‘来’的时候，我们会给自己施加压力或期望。

And I think sometimes we can put this pressure or this expectation on ourselves when God says come.

我们会说，等等，上帝，有太多事情我需要搞清楚。

We say, wait a minute, God, there's too much that I have to figure out.

有太多事情我需要解决。

There's too much that I have to resolve.

我需要我的信心更强，这样我来的时候才能给你留下好印象。

I need my faith to be in a stronger place so that I'm impressing you as I come.

你知道，我不该对你存疑心，所以不能像这样来到你脚前，因为那样会让你不悦。

You know, I'm not supposed to have unbelief towards you and so I can't approach you at your feet like this because now I'm displeasing to you.

我的意思是，我们完全把自己绕晕了，忘了上帝为何接纳我们。

I mean, we have completely talked ourselves out of why God welcomes us.

不过这也是伊丽莎白·乔治在书里提醒我们的，那本书我真的很喜欢。

But this is also what Elizabeth George warns us about in the book, which I really love.

她说，对上帝产生错误且不符合圣经的想法，会阻碍他在我们生命中的作为。

She says inaccurate and unbiblical thoughts about God can block his power in our life.

我们必须警惕，别让思绪或情绪凌驾于圣经的真理之上。

We must guard against allowing our thoughts or feelings to override the great truths of scripture.

所以即便我感到害怕，上帝是怎么说的呢？

So even if I'm afraid, what does God say?

即便我对这件事一无所知，上帝是怎么说的呢？

Even if I don't know about this, what does God say?

即便我对此处感到极度恐惧、生怕自己崩溃，上帝是怎么说的呢？

Even if I'm very, very scared to become undone in this area, what does God say?

那我是不是要把这个看得更重呢？

And am I gonna lift that higher?

我不会把那个平台抬得更高。

I'm not gonna lift the deck higher.

不管我感受如何，我都会高举上帝的真理，因为他绝不会说谎，他所说的才是我真正的身份和生命。

I'm gonna lift God's truth higher no matter how I feel about it because he cannot lie and what he says is actually my identity and my life.

所以，我们举了一个例子，说明我们确实有合理的恐惧。

So we've given an example of we have a legitimate fear.

在我们人生的某个阶段。

At one point in our life.

它曾让我们身体产生真实的反应，但后来我们不再与神连结，开始自己做决定。

It gave a body a physical reaction to us, but then we turn from abiding and we start making decisions.

你知道的，筑起心墙。

You know, building walls.

内疚感也会带来同样的效果。

Guilt can do the same thing.

刚怀孕的时候，你会想，哇，这一定会特别美好。

When you're first pregnant, you think, oh, this is going to be so amazing.

但几年后，你却会对那个特别可爱的孩子大吼大叫。

And then a few years later, you yell at that perfectly wonderful child.

然后你就会感到内疚。

And then you have guilt.

然后

And

你就会想，好吧，我以后再也不会那样了。

then you're like, okay, I'm never gonna do that again.

不管这孩子要什么，我都给，给，给。

Whatever this child wants, I'm gonna give it, give it, give it.

结果你就养出了一个非常以自我为中心的小家伙。

And you end up creating a very little self centered human being.

而这一切只是因为你可能一次没忍住而产生的内疚感。

Because you had guilt from maybe a one time thing.

你知道吗，我把我第一个孩子摔了。

You know, I dropped my first child.

哦。

Oh.

哦。

Oh.

你也摔过。

You did too.

好吧。

Okay.

谢

Thank

谢。

you.

我也摔过。

I did too.

链条断了。

The chain is broken.

好吧。

Alright.

是的。

Yes.

我也一样。

I did too.

现在，他们俩都挺好的。

Now, they're both fine.

我的那个非常非常小，但当然，我慌得像从高处掉下来一样。

Mine was very very small, but of course, I panicked like it was from like Yes.

一扇窗户。

A window.

是的。

Yes.

但那就是我们记得的。

But that's we we remember.

天哪。

My gosh.

你一说我就想起来了。

As soon as you said it.

我儿子都48岁了。

My my son is 48 years old.

哎呀。

Uh-oh.

但我还是觉得内疚。

And I still feel the guilt.

我当时抱着他。

I was holding him.

我睡着了。

I fell asleep.

我也是。

I did too.

他从我怀里滑下去了。

He slipped out my arms.

还滚了一下。

Did a little roll.

对。

Yes.

就滚了一下，因为你实在太累了，你当时就想，天哪，刚才发生了什么？

A little roll because you're just so exhausted and you just are like, oh my gosh, what just happened?

对。

Yes.

但你知道吗？

But you know what?

米歇尔，即使我们记得这件事，这也是一个很好的例子，因为我们记得它，是因为我们记得当时有多崩溃。

Like even though we remember it, this is such a wonderful illustration, Michelle, because we remember it because we remember how devastated we were.

当然，我们当时在想刚才发生了什么，以及可能会发生什么。

And of course, we thought about what just happened and what could have happened.

但你知道吗？

But you know what?

我很喜欢，虽然现在这大概是你和你儿子之间的一个玩笑，我知道我和

I love that even though it's probably a joke between you and your son now, I know it is between me and

我儿子之间也是。

my know.

我们还没聊过

Don't think we've talked

这件事。

about it.

哦，不。

Oh, no.

哦，不。

Oh, no.

不过，这件事并没有影响你养育他的全部方式。

Well, it didn't influence everything about how you raised him.

你没有用余生通过糖果、冰淇淋、缺乏管教来向他道歉。

You did not spend the rest of your life apologizing to him, you know, through candy, ice cream, lack of discipline.

也许我确实这么做了。

Maybe I did.

你知道吗？

You know?

好吧。

Okay.

我说的不是那一天。

I'm not talking about that one day.

我说的是他整个成长过程中。

I'm talking about throughout his life.

他知道你爱他，他也知道，作为人，爱的一部分就是带着残缺去爱。

He knows that you love him, and he also knows that part of loving as a human being is loving brokenly.

是的。

Yes.

这只是其中一部分。

That's just part of it.

对。

Yes.

你知道，上帝完美的爱通过我们运作，完美性正是由此而来。

You know, God's perfect love works through us, and that's where the perfection comes from.

是的。

Yes.

当我们发现自己越来越像他时，我们就可以说：好吧，我确实取得了进步。这不是因为我做了什么，而是因为我真的来到了这里。

And as we see that we're becoming more like him, that's where we can say, okay, I have made progress not because of what I've done, but because indeed I have come.

我曾坐在他脚前，研读他的话语，并认真思考其中的含义。

I have sat at his feet and I have opened up his word and I have considered it.

他所传达的真理，将高于我在内疚和羞耻中对自己说的那些话。

His truth is going to be above the truth that I speak to myself in that guilt and shame.

阿们。

Amen.

你知道，羞耻，哦，这种痛苦的感觉，觉得自己有缺陷，不值得被爱。

You know, shame, oh, this painful feeling that you are flawed and unworthy of love.

觉得自己不配拥有归属感，不配与人连接，你知道，而且它可能发生。

That you are unworthy of belonging, unworthy of connection, you know, and it has it could happen.

你，发生了什么事，你做了什么事。

You something happens, you do something.

但是，上帝从来不想让我们经历羞耻。

And, but God never wanted us to experience shame.

亚当和夏娃在伊甸园里赤身露体，你知道，然后他们的眼睛就明亮了。

Adam and Eve were naked in the Garden of Eden, you know, and then their eyes were opened.

羞耻使他们与上帝隔绝了。

And shame separated them from God.

所以，我们需要知道，是的，我们的身体对恐惧、内疚和羞耻有生理反应，但让我们的思想与上帝对齐。

So, we need to know that yes, our bodies have a physical response to fear, guilt and shame, but aligning our thoughts with God.

是的。

Yes.

我们可以替换那些有害的循环。

And we can replace those toxic cycles.

绝对正确。

Absolutely.

你知道，当它浮现时，当记忆浮现时，我们不需要去播放它，坐下来看那部电影。

You know, when it comes up, when the memory comes up, we don't need to play it, sit down and watch the movie.

我们确实这样做。

And we do that.

我们确实这样做。

We do that.

我喜欢这个，因为这是我们必须要记住的一种方式。

Like this is I love this because this is one way that we we have to remember.

我经常告诉我的孩子们，你知道吗，你有很多不同的特质，而且它们都是很棒的特质。

I tell my my kids all the time, you know, you have a lot of different traits about you and they're all wonderful traits.

但如果你不知道如何正确运用这些特质，它们就会变成问题。

But if you don't know how to properly use the traits, then they become a problem.

我儿子在记忆方面特别厉害，特别擅长，他曾经上过一所学校，在那段时间里帮助他发展这个能力。

So my son is amazing, absolutely amazing at memorization and he went to a school that helped him with that for a period of time.

他能记住经文、歌曲、日期，这真的很棒。

It's wonderful that he can memorize scripture, memorize songs, memorize dates.

有时候在家上学的时候，我会说：哎，我把那本书放哪儿了？

Sometimes in our homeschool when I say, Now, where did I put that book?

你其实就把它放在红色杯子下面。

You actually put it right under the red mug.

我就在角落里，上周三我看见你的时候。

I'm right there in the corner of I the saw you last Wednesday.

你知道，这很美好。

You know, it's beautiful.

但当他感到内疚和羞愧，开始反复回想自己哪里做错了、怎么被骂或被训斥、自己后悔什么的时候，这个能力又会给他带来多大的负面影响呢？

But how much can this work against him when he does feel a sense of guilt and shame and he begins replaying how he did it wrong, how he was yelled at or reprimanded and what he regrets, you know?

所以，我们必须把我们的品质交托给上帝，因为当我们自我反省、自我管理时，事情往往会变得一团糟。

So, have to submit our qualities in our heart to God because when we self consult and self manage, it does turn into a huge mess.

他必须成为我们的参照点。

He has to be our point of reference.

确实如此。

He does.

而且我们可以看到，我们的身体也会影响我们的思维方式。

And we can see that our body also can affect how we think.

你知道，我们已经看到了我们的思维如何影响我们的身体。

You know, so we've seen how our mind can affect our body.

让我们来看看另一方面。

Let's go to the other side.

我想在列王纪上第19章，有以利亚的故事。

And I think in first Kings 19, we've got Elijah.

那是公元前850年。

And it's eight fifty BC.

所以，那是很久以前的事了。

So, it's quite a while ago.

亚哈王统治着犹大北国。

King Ahab is ruling the Northern Kingdom Of Judah.

他娶了个厉害的女子，耶洗别。

He's married quite the girl, Jezebel.

我还没见过谁给女儿取名叫耶洗别的。

I don't know anyone who's named their daughter Jezebel.

你知道吗？

You know?

我不知道那是不是坏事。

I don't know if that's a bad thing.

我不知道。

I don't know.

但他们已经背弃了上帝。

But they've they've abandoned God.

他们现在拜的是巴力和亚斯她录。

And they've got Baal and Ashtoreth that they're worshiping.

于是上帝派来了以利亚。

And God sends Elijah.

我很喜欢上帝的这种关怀。

I love that God cares.

我觉得他一生中有一个特别了不起的日子。

And I think there's this one incredible day of his life.

他设了一个比赛。

He sets up this contest.

你知道，就是那个所谓的烤肉大赛。

You know, it's called the barbecue contest.

肉都已经准备好了。

They've got the meat already prepared.

柴火也备好了。

They've got the wood.

他们已经把烤架准备好了。

They've got the grill already.

但他们不会去点火。

But they're not gonna flick the switch.

他们要等着看上帝会不会点火。

They're gonna wait and see if God will flick the switch.

所以有450个假先知在试着点燃他们的烤肉。

So we've got 450 of these false prophets trying to light their barbecue.

结果没点着。

It doesn't happen.

差不多过了半天。

It's like half the day.

然后以利亚祷告。

And then Elijah prays.

他居然往烤肉上泼水。

He actually dumps water on the barbecue.

你能想象那样做吗？

Can you imagine doing that?

哇。

Wow.

但上帝还是点燃了火焰。

And God still lights the flame.

上帝真是太神奇了。

God's amazing.

同一天，以利亚还监督处决了那些坏人，这让我觉得，那段视频我本来可以不看的。

And in the same day, Elijah supervises the killing of all those bad guys, which is like, I could have done without that video.

而且已经三年没下雨了。

And then there's been no rain for three years.

就在同一天。

It's the same day.

他不停地祈祷，祈祷，再祈祷。

He prays and prays and prays.

过了好一会儿，雨才开始下。

It takes quite a while and rain starts falling.

已经三年没下雨了。

Hasn't fallen in three years.

所以，亚哈王一直在那里。

So, King Ahab has been there.

他一直是个旁观者。

He's been a spectator.

他坐在战车里，那就意味着有马。

He's in a chariot, which means horses.

他开始下山，而以利亚跑得比他快。

And he starts going down the mountain and Elijah outruns him.

哇。

Wow.

那可是二十英里的路程。

It's a 20 mile run.

天哪。

Oh my god.

是的。

Yes.

这真是不可思议又疯狂的一天。

It's all this one incredible, ridiculous day.

显然，以利亚已经疯了。

And obviously, Elijah's lost his mind.

还是说他完全被上帝赋予了力量？

Or is he so completely empowered by God?

你知道，有些评论家说他不该那样跑。

You know, some commentators say he shouldn't have done that running.

那真的把他累坏了。

That really done him in.

但你知道吗？

But you know what?

我们没法插手上帝在别人生命中的作为。

We can't touch what's God doing in someone else's life.

确实如此。

Absolutely.

你能想象吗？

But can you imagine?

经历这么不可思议的一天，他身心灵各方面肯定都累垮了。

He has got to be physically, emotionally, mentally, spiritually spent from this incredible day.

对。

Yes.

于是他决定，最好的办法就是继续跑。

And he decides the best thing to do is just keep running.

当天他就收到了耶洗别的威胁。

He gets a threat from Jezebel same day.

她说：我要杀了你。

She says, I'm gonna kill you.

于是他跑到了沙漠里。

So he runs to the desert.

哇。

Wow.

在那里他就说，哇，我觉得上帝你应该直接杀了我。

And there he just says, wow, I think God you should just kill me.

所以那种身体上、精神上、情绪上的疲惫是非常真实的。

So that physical, mental, emotional exhaustion It's very real.

它能把我们的思绪带到一个地方，是的。

Can lead our our mind into a place Yes.

在那里，你知道，我们想的全是消极的东西。

Where, you know, all we think is something negative.

对。

Yes.

而且绝望对基督徒来说是非常真实的事情，你知道吗？

And despair is a very real thing for Christians, you know?

是的。

Yes.

我们会有这样的时刻，有时甚至是季节性的，你知道吗？

We have moments, sometimes seasons, you know?

有时候，我听人说，那就像我生命中的一大块，或者整整十年，我都觉得自己失去了，因为我就陷在低谷里。

Sometimes, I heard somebody say it was just like an entire chunk of my life or an entire decade of my life that I just feel like I lost because I was just in a rut.

我陷入了心理低谷。

I was in a mental rut.

这种情况会发生，我们在经历的时候，以及走出来的时候，都会背负很多羞耻感。

And this happens and we carry a lot of shame about it as we are carrying it and also when we are coming out of it.

我觉得这对我们来说非常重要，比如对基督徒来说，当我们与神有关系时，照顾我们心理健康的最健康方式，就是不断提醒自己，与神同在是我们幸福的关键。

And I just think that's so important for us to understand, like for the Christian, when we have a relationship with God, the healthiest way that we can take care of our mental health is to continue to be reminded that abiding is essential for our well-being.

太美了。

Beautiful.

这不仅仅是我们说的一句漂亮话。

It is not just a pretty thing that we say.

这不仅仅是真正基督徒的定义。

It is not just the definition of a real Christian.

这样我们才能不只是勉强维持生活，而是在其他一切都在把我们往下拉的时候，心里依然充满丰盛。

This is how we are able to not just survive our lives, but still have this abundance in our heart when everything else about us is pulling us down.

这也是唯一能进入那黑暗深渊、把我们拉上来的力量。

And it's the only power that can go into that dark hole and pull us up.

我想再提一下 Adrian Bryson 说过的话：你知道的，上帝能处理好这一切。

And I just want to reference again another thing that Adrian Bryson said is, you know, God can handle it.

他能处理好这些问题。

He can handle the questions.

他能解决这个难题。

He can handle the problem.

他能应对这些状况。

He can handle the circumstances.

但其实，这根本不是关键所在。

But actually, that's not really the issue.

问题在于你内心的状态，是转向神，还是躲避神。

The issue is what's going on between your heart and whether or not it is turning in the direction of God or if it's avoiding the direction of God.

这正是我们每天生活中许多挣扎的核心。

And this is the essence of a lot of things that we battle in our life every day.

我们与神之间有隔阂，却为自己找借口。

We have a separation, and we justify it.

这件事我不需要神。

I don't need God for this.

那件事没有神我也行。

I'm fine without God for that.

我已经祷告过了。

I did my prayer time.

我没事。

I'm good.

我没事。

I'm good.

你知道吗？

You know?

但如果你和一个人关系亲密，持续的关系并不是那样的。

But that's not what a relationship, an ongoing relationship with anyone is like if you're close to them.

你会不断地去追求他们。

You continuously pursue them.

你想听到他们的消息。

You want to hear from them.

你想和他们分享事情，不仅仅是那些沉重的事情。

You want to share things with them and not just the heavy things.

把那天的小小喜悦也分享出来，天哪，不要轻视微小开始的日子。

Let that little joy that you had that day, oh my gosh, do not despise the day of small beginnings.

我今天起床了。

I got up today.

也许过去几周，我一直没能从床上起来。

Maybe for the last couple of weeks, I have not been able to get up out of my bed.

我最近真的、真的、真的很难过。

I have just been so, so, so sad.

我一直被那些挑战我、击垮我的事情包围着。

I've been so encompassed in whatever has challenged me, whatever has broken me.

但今天，我起来了。

And today, I got up.

今天，我拉开了窗帘。

Today, I opened the curtains.

今天，我走出了家门。

Today, I stepped outside.

今天，我想起了上帝是谁，也想起我对他而言是有价值的。

Today, I remembered who God is and that I'm worth something to him.

阿们。

Amen.

当你想到像罗马书五章八节这样的经文时，它真的能让你恢复过来，那节经文告诉我们，即使我们可能不觉得自己有价值，我们也是宝贵的个体。

And it can truly restore you when you think about verses like Romans five eight that that tells us that we're valuable individuals even when we might not feel like we are.

我们珍贵到值得为他而死。

We were valuable enough to die for.

无论我们如何改变，无论我们的感受如何变化，这个真理永远不会改变。

And that truth never changes no matter how we change or how we feel.

这就是为什么它成为我们坚定的依靠，让我们告诉自己：即使感觉不到，我也要活在这个真理之中。

And that's why it's such a stability for us to hold on to and say, I'm gonna live as though this verse is real even when I don't feel like it is.

这太美好了。

That is so beautiful.

你知道的，这种事谁都可能遇到。

You know, and it can happen to anyone.

你看，以利亚曾经花了三年时间信靠神。

Here, Elijah has been has spent three years trusting God.

所以假设你在服侍岗位上，或者已经得救几十年了，

So let's say you have been in the ministry, you've been or you've been saved for decades and decades and decades.

那并不能保证你能撑到明天。

That's not gonna carry you through to tomorrow.

不是的。

No.

你知道吗？

You know?

在这里，他取得了令人难以置信的胜利。

Here he's got this incredible victory.

你知道，那个烧烤，是上帝点燃的，上帝真是太神奇了。

You know, the barbecue, God lit it and God was amazing.

哦，你可以有这些山顶般的体验。

Oh, it's you can have these mountaintop experiences.

是的。

Yes.

但那不会支撑你

That's not gonna carry you

走下去。

through.

不是。

No.

不是。

No.

他所有的敌人，那些假先知，他们在散布错误的教义和关于上帝的谎言。

All his enemies, the bad prophets, and they're spreading bad doctrine and lies about God.

所以我们看到当今世界上有人在做邪恶的事，如果你不上Facebook，你就能祈祷。

So we see things in the world today where people are doing evil things and if you stay off Facebook, just you could pray.

或者如果你跳进去看，我受不了那些新闻。

Or if you jump in and read I can't handle the news.

我不知道你怎么样。

I don't know about you.

我很难受，那么多事情。

I have a hard time as much stuff.

因为我的心都碎了。

Because my heart just breaks.

而且我

And I

没办法解决。

can't fix it.

但我可以祈祷。

But I can pray.

是的。

Yes.

是的。

Yes.

他看到所有这些敌人，所有这些错误的教义都被消灭了。

He sees all these enemies, all this bad doctrine wiped out.

然后他祈祷，雨就来了。

And then he prays and rain comes.

你知道吗？

You know?

我们觉得下雨有什么大不了的？

And we're thinking rain, what's the big deal?

你不懂，在沙漠地区，雨水是最珍贵的东西。

You don't understand in a desert area, rain is the most precious commodity.

你不会想让你的马鞍袋里装满金子。

You don't want your saddlebag filled with gold.

你要确保骆驼上挂着一个大水袋。

You want to make sure that hanging off of your camel is a big bag of water.

对。

Yes.

你知道，因为金子对你没什么用。

You know, because gold is not gonna do you any good.

没错。

Exactly.

水才是关键。

It's the water.

你知道，所以那才是重要的，水来了。

You know, and so that's the important thing and water comes.

是的。

Yes.

所以你可以有一个事工，在其中你喂养和更新人们。

So you can have a ministry where you are feeding and refreshing people.

是的。

Yes.

但你的事工不会成为你的身份。

But that your ministry is not going to be your identity.

它不能成为你的身份。

It can't be your identity.

你知道，然后身体上，他跑得比马还快。

You know, and then physically, he outruns horses.

我知道。

I know.

我觉得就算骑摩托车我也跑不过马。

I don't think even on a motorcycle I could.

我不知道自己能不能跑赢马。

I don't know if I could outrun horses.

这绝对是伊利亚。

And it's definitely Elijah.

我们说的是第一个人。

We're talking about the first guy.

这太不可思议了。

And it's incredible.

然后他收到耶洗别的一封邮件，彻底把他击垮了。

Then he gets an email from Jezebel that just devastates him.

所以你会觉得，等等，这不对啊。

So I mean, you're like, wait a minute.

嘿，老兄。

Hey, dude.

你和神有那样美好的关系。

You have this incredible relationship with God.

你信靠神几十年了。

You've been trusting God for decades.

你见过神迹。

You've seen miracles.

你上过山顶。

You've been on the mountain top.

你祷告得到了回应。

You've gotten answer to prayer.

你服侍过很多人。

You've ministered to people.

而现在他却坐在一棵罗腾树下，求神干脆取走他的性命。

And here he is under a Juniper tree begging God to just kill him.

但你知道吗？

But you know what?

这真的很能触动我们的人性，米歇尔。

It speaks so much to our humanity, Michelle.

是的。

Yes.

我很喜欢你刚才说的关于经历的部分，因为我们不能靠经历活着。

And I love what you said about experiences because we cannot live off of experiences.

我知道很多时候人们会鼓励你，他们会说，你知道吗，你要活在当下。

And I know a lot of times people encourage you sometimes they'll say, know, you got to live moment by moment.

那我们为什么不活在每一句经文里，或者每一个应许里呢？

How about we live scripture by scripture or promise by promise?

说得真好。

That's beautiful.

因为当下这一刻并不能帮助我们坚持下去。

Because the moment is not going to help us endure.

确实不能。

It's not.

不是明天。

Not tomorrow.

这并不意味着我们不能快乐。

That doesn't mean we can't be joyful.

这并不意味着我们不能感恩。

That doesn't mean we can't be grateful.

我不是在贬低我们所得到的祝福。

I'm not trying to demean the blessings that we receive.

但如果我还想用去年的恩典来应对我现在的新处境，我的关系变了，我自己也变了，那恩典是够当时用的，而现在他有更大的恩典。

But if I am still trying to bring the grace from last year into my new bit of circumstances, my relationship changes, the fact that I've changed, it's not gonna carry me because that was the grace sufficient for that time, and he has greater grace for now.

他希望我去寻求那份恩典，你知道吗？

And he wants me to reach for that, you know?

我喜欢我们看以利亚的那个画面，就像在说，天哪，你真的可以说，你真的可以以一种方式经历神，说，你知道吗？

And I love that picture of us, looking at Elijah and saying like, man, so so you really can say, you really can experience God in a way of saying, you know what?

我真的什么都没有了。

I don't really have anything left.

我确实一无所有了。

I don't have anything left.

你可以这么说，因为这不是在拼你的属灵履历。

And you can say that because this is not about your spiritual resume.

最后，我真的相信，当我们真正说出这句话、走到神说‘现在我们可以坦诚相交’的地步时，

And finally, I truly believe that finally, when we say that, when we get to the point God is saying, now we can have an honest fellowship.

是的。

Yes.

因为你在放下那层盔甲，你总以为每次把手合十来到我面前时都得戴着它。

Because you're letting go of this armor you think you're supposed to be wearing every time you put your hands together and come to me.

我要的是你的心。

I want your heart.

我不在乎你用那些别的方式来分散我的注意力或取悦我。

I don't care about all these other ways that you wanna distract me or impress me.

我要的是你心里最真实的东西。

I want the essence of what's in your heart.

我们之间要建立这种亲密的关系，唯一的途径就是你把时间交给我，让我看到你的真实样子。

And the only way that we commune is if you give me your time and you let me see it.

让我看看那些你不想让其他人看见、只愿意向我敬拜的部分。

Let me see what you don't want anyone else to see and worship.

就是单纯的敬拜。

Just worship.

也许你不会立刻得到那节特定的经文，但此刻我已经清楚知道该做什么了。

Maybe you will not get that exact scripture, and now I know exactly what to do.

我是说，我不知道每天会发生这种事的人是谁。

I mean, I don't know who that happens to every day.

我肯定不是那个人。

I'm certainly not that person.

不是的。

No.

但我真的在越来越多地学习。

But I really I'm learning more and more.

解决办法就是敬拜上帝，因为他是谁。

The solution is just to worship God for who he is.

这就是解决办法。

That's the solution.

这就是全部的解决办法。

That is the entire solution.

好的，上帝。

Okay, God.

让我亲自想起你。

Let me be reminded of you personally.

然后因为那进入我的脑海，我就能开始放下那些紧紧抓住我的其他事情。

And then because that is entering my mind, I can begin to let go of the other things that are really, really gripping me.

阿们。

Amen.

我，我喜欢上帝派天使来。

I I love that God sends an angel.

没有责备。

No rebuke.

是的。

Yes.

他没有取以利亚的性命。

He does not take Elijah's life.

上帝只是拒绝了那个。

God just rejects that.

不。

No.

还有天使蛋糕。

And there's angel food cake.

在烤着。

Baking.

就像，哦，谢谢你。

It's like, oh, thank you.

还有一壶水。

And a cruise of water.

对吧？

Alright?

所以，有食物和水。

So, nourishment and water.

然后他就睡着了。

And he falls asleep.

然后这又发生了一次。

And then it happens again.

我喜欢天使说的那句话，否则这趟旅程对你来说太艰难了。

And I love the angel says, otherwise the journey will be too much for you.

你知道吗？

You know?

上帝竟然关心我们的身体，这真是太不可思议了。

And it's just incredible that God wants to care for our physical bodies.

是的。

Yes.

有些人认为，精疲力尽。

Some people think that being burned out.

你知道，你总是疲惫不堪，你不守安息日，你不照顾自己的身体。

You know, and you're exhausted all the time and you don't take a Sabbath, you don't take care of your body.

你不懂得拒绝。

You don't say no.

你对每个机会都说好，身体垮了，这其实是属灵的问题。

You say yes to every opportunity and you're a wreck physically is is spiritual.

不。

No.

不，不是的。

No, it's not.

上帝可能会呼召你。

God may call you.

看看以利亚今天经历了什么。

Look at the day Elijah has just had.

简直难以置信。

It's beyond belief.

我觉得那任何一件事都不容易。

I don't think any one of those things would have been easy.

对。

Yes.

对。

Yes.

绝对是的。

Absolutely.

但后来上帝安慰了他。

But then God ministers to him.

我很喜欢这一点。

I love that.

我很喜欢这种务实的做法。Michelle，我不知道你有没有这样做，但我有一个日程表，它能帮我很好地管理时间，不仅知道要去哪里，还要知道在哪里留出空间。

I love that practical view because I don't know if you do this, Michelle, but, I have a calendar that really helps me to manage not just what I have to be at, but where I have to create space.

对。

Yes.

所以有时候我会这样安排，因为我没法跟上每个人的日程。虽然我很想多参与一些活动，但我对自己、家人，甚至和我与神的关系都有一份责任，需要去保护。

And so sometimes the way that I'll create it because I can't follow everyone's calendar and even though I would love to participate in more, I have a responsibility to myself, my family, and even to protect my relationship with God.

哦，当然。

Oh, absolutely.

我要明确拒绝那种忙到连喘口气、过点正常生活的余地都没有的状态。

By saying I cannot be this level of busyness to the point where it's just about doing and there is absolutely no margin for breath and life.

所以我会提前规划，比如知道这周会特别忙，那下周初我就尽量不排事，或者只安排一些能让自己内心感到充实和恢复的事情。

And so I will look at things and I will say, okay, if you know that you're gonna have a week like this, you are going to make sure that the beginning days of the week after have nothing or only things that are redeeming internally.

这是我必须做到的。

And I have to do that.

我觉得这是上帝希望我们拥有的保护机制，因为生活不能只是不停地做事，虽然确实有很多事情需要完成。

And I think that's a protection God wants us to have because it's not about doing and doing and doing, but there is a lot to get done.

当然。

Sure.

我是说，生活本来就是这样。

I mean, that's just the nature of life.

没错。

Sure.

但上帝一直看重休息。

But God always values rest.

他自己也休息过。

He rested himself.

所以当我们看基督的榜样时，我们不能让情绪或自己的期望凌驾于其上。

And so when we look at the example of Christ, we can't let our feelings or let our own expectations override.

你明白吗？

You know?

耶稣给我们做了榜样。

Jesus showed us an example.

是的。

Yes.

我在工作。

I'm working.

我在关注人们。

I'm paying attention to people.

事工就是我的生命。

Ministry is my life.

但休息也在其中，因为当我在这具肉身里时，它确实有限度，这就是它的设计。

But rest is in there as well because when I'm in this human body, it does have a limit and that's how it was designed.

我们被设计为会衰老，会感到疲惫，然后得到恢复。

We are designed to age, designed to get tired and be restored.

神不希望我们因为存在巨大的属灵层面，就把我们的人性与我们与他的关系分开。

And God doesn't want us to separate our humanity from our relationship with him just because there is this huge spiritual aspect.

我喜欢的是，即使以利亚很崩溃，他躺在罗腾树下，是的。

And I love that even though he's a wreck, Elijah, he's under that Juniper tree Mhmm.

上帝为他准备了更多的事情。

God has more things for him.

上帝说，你知道吗，我已经给了你天使蛋糕。

God says, you know, I've I've given you this angel food cake.

而且我们还有，你还有地方要去。

And we've got you've got some place to go.

他们在山上有一个私人的会面。

They have a personal meeting on a mountain.

上帝说，伙计，你并不孤单。

And God says, Bud, you're not alone.

我还有七千人。

I have 7,000 people.

所以，我们，我想我接受这一点。

So, we are I think I take that.

我需要基督的身体。

I need the body of Christ.

当然。

Absolutely.

你知道吗？

You know?

是的。

Yes.

我们与基督那奇妙的肢体相连，不仅是通过更大的恩典，而是与所有信徒相连。

And we are connected to the incredible body of Christ, not just through greater grace, but all believers.

但更大的恩典很不错，因为我与那里相连。

But greater grace is pretty nice because I'm connected there.

这些人是我的人。

These are my people.

但我们必须给我们的身体休息和营养。

But we've got to give our bodies that rest, that nourishment.

我们不会规定你应该怎么做。

And we're not gonna dictate what you should do.

去谷歌搜一下吧。

Go go Google that.

自己去查查吧。

Go figure it out.

你知道的，说说看。

You know, say about it.

说说看。

Say about it.

设定合理的界限，

Set reasonable boundaries,

你知道的。

you know.

爱你的家人，有时候要确保他们排在第一位。

Love your family and and make sure that they come first sometimes.

明白吗？

Know?

就像周日早上，我们不是待在家里不去教堂，对吧。

Like Sunday morning, we're not staying home from church Right.

去好好爱你。

To love you up.

我们先去教堂，之后我可以特别关照你。

Let's go to church and then afterwards, I can give you special attention.

你知道，我们在日程里安排了美好的时光。

You know, we set in our schedule beautiful times.

但他也说了，你得找个伙伴陪着你。

But then he also said, you gotta go anoint a buddy to be with you.

你知道，即使在基督的身体里，我们也有与神独处的美好时光，而且我们还有这个团体。

You know, we can't even though in the body of Christ, we have this incredible time, mountain time with God, And we've got the body.

我们需要有人和我们一对一地并肩同行。

We need people who are one on one with us in the race.

你明白吗？

You know?

那么，好吧，回到我的翻转船。

And so, alright, back to my flip ship.

哦，让我看看。

Oh, let see.

让我把它拿过来。

Let me bring it over here.

你知道，我们得知道什么时候该躺平。

You know, we've got to know when to be horizontal.

对。

Yes.

什么时候该站起来。

When to be vertical.

对。

Yes.

你知道，什么时候该安静。

You know, when to be quiet.