#1554 - 坎耶·韦斯特

所以他告诉我，我儿子想听耶的说唱专辑。

So the so he said my my son wants to hear a rap album from Ye.

这对我来说就是一个范式转变。

And that just that was that was the paradigm shift for me.

我经常用这个词。

I use that word a lot.

我喜欢这个词。

I like that.

我喜欢范式转变。

I like paradigm shift.

这是我最喜欢的词之一。

It's one my favorite word.

我制作了这张说唱专辑。

The and I I made this rap album.

对很多人来说，这是他们第一次能在家里，和家人一起播放的、制作水平相当的专辑。

And, you know, for a lot of people, it was the first album that they could play with a certain production level in the house with their with their with their family.

现在，你可以争论《Watch the Throne》的制作是否比《Jesus is King》更强劲或更优秀。

Now, you know, you could argue if the Watch the Throne production was stronger or better than Jesus is King production.

但当我去工作时，我和德雷克合作，有些节拍就是那种最硬核的节奏。

But when I go and I like, I've been working with Doctor.

德雷克的一些节拍就是那种最硬核的节奏。

Dre and some of the beats would just be like, you know, the hardest beats possible.

而《Jesus is King》的混音有一种非常灵性、冥想的感觉，它没有像《Yeezus》或《Watch the Throne》那样强烈冲击感官。

And it's something that was very spiritual and meditative about the mix on Jesus is King that it wasn't hitting as hard as Yeezus or hitting as hard as Watch the Throne.

这就像，这是上帝希望我创作的这种声音画作，是他希望我传达的方式。

It was like, this is how God wanted me to make this make this sonic painting and the way he wanted me to communicate.

于是我们做了这张专辑，接着又做了《Jesus is Born》专辑，这个想法我也从亚当斯牧师那里获得。

Then so we did that album, and then we did the Jesus is born album, which also I get that idea from pastor Adams.

有些人只播放这张专辑，它纯粹在传递这些福音音乐。

And, I mean, there's people who that's the only album they play, and it's just bringing these gospel.

我告诉你，我写这些赞美诗的公式，是因为我正在为周日礼拜创作歌曲，这些歌曲本质上是我未来福音大学的赞美诗集，我设想并终将实现一座可容纳二十万观众的圆形体育场，配备十万名福音歌手。

And I tell you, like, my formula for these hymns I'm writing because I'm writing the the the songs that we're doing at, Sunday service is basically my book of hymns for the future gospel university that I'm creating where I've envisioned and will manifest a 200,000 seat stadium circular with a 100,000 gospel singers.

人们会去这所大学接受训练，就像俄罗斯奥运游泳选手那样。

And people will go to this university and they will train the way, you know, a Russian Olympic swimmer.

我想象他们每周至少六天，甚至七天都在泳池里训练。

You know, I picture, like, they would be in the pool six days a week at least, if not seven days.

但对于那些为教会唱歌的人来说，你知道，这是一种奉献，是义务的，所有这些都是无偿的。

But for people who sing for the church or, you know, you know, because it's it's it's a tie, it's pro bono, it's all this.

人们并不像我们练习去录音室说唱，或者像NBA球员练习打篮球那样频繁地练习歌唱。

Like, people don't practice that as much as we practice going to studio to rap or or practice playing basketball if we're in the NBA.

所以，这就像打造一个属于上帝的NBA，一个神圣的竞技场。

So it's making the NBA, so to say, the Coliseum for God.

你有没有听过足球比赛中的助威口号？

And what that have you have you, like, heard, like, soccer chants?

嗯。

Mhmm.

然后就是六万人一起合唱。

And I and just, like, 60,000 person.

因此，我想象着为上帝，有时有十万人和谐地歌唱，有时齐声同唱。

So I envision that for God, a 100,000 people sometimes singing in harmony, sometimes in unison.

荣耀。

Glory.

荣耀。

Glory.

哦，全能的上帝。

Oh God Almighty.

我们举起双手，向你献上赞美、荣耀、荣耀。

We lift our hands and give you praise, glory, glory.

哦，全能的上帝，我们举起双手，向你献上赞美。

Oh God Almighty, we lift hands and give you praise.

但请想象十万人齐声歌唱的场景，那种感觉会对我们的灵性和灵魂产生怎样的影响。

But picture a 100,000 people in unison and that feeling what that would do for our spirits, souls.

这是治愈。

It's healing.

我们的环境、身边的朋友、穿着的衣服、吃的食物以及饮食中，都蕴含着自然的疗愈力量。

There's natural forms of healing about our environment, the friends that we're around, what we're wearing, what we're eating, our diet.

Donda 是一家我大约十年前创立的设计公司。

So Donda is a design company that that I formed around ten years ago.

曾经在 Donda 工作的一些人，如今已成为时尚品牌的负责人，比如维吉尔曾担任 Donda 的负责人，现在是路易威登的负责人。

And some of the people that worked at Donda are now have went on to become heads of fashion houses like Virgil's the head of Louis Vuitton, and he was the head of Donda at a certain point.

另一位曾在 Donda 工作的人，现在是纪梵希的负责人。

Another guy that worked at Donda is now the head of Givenchy.

所以，这就是人才的源泉。

So this is like the the talent pool.

Donda 基本上是我个人对一种数字延伸、或者说大脑扩展的实现方式。

And this Donda is basically my version of like a a cyber, you know, extension of my brain.

比如，我脑海中有一些想法，虽然看不见摸不着，但我们需要将它们变为现实。

Like, here's something that I'm thinking of that you can't touch, but we need to bring it into fruition.

我们必须将它们具象化。

We need to manifest it.

我们必须学会如何利用过去的和现在的资源来创造我们的未来。

And we have to see how to use things of our past and things of our now to create our future.

因此，这是一个为保障人类种族未来而创建的组织。

So it's a, organization, created to, guarantee the future of the human race.

我甚至考虑过把它命名为Aetna，因为我把我们都看作超级英雄，而Aetna正是《超人特工队》里的设计师，这和Donda非常相似。

Really, I thought about even calling it Aetna because I see us all as superheroes, and Aetna was the designer in The Incredibles, which is kinda almost really similar to Donda.

我只是在观察这些阵容和相关的东西。

I'm just seeing these lineups and stuff.

所以，我们现在关注的是食物、服装、住所、通信、教育和交通。

So, so now our our focus is food, clothing, shelter, communication, education, and transportation.

在我刚刚创办的学校——Yeezy基督教学院，我们会联系NASA和其他地方，探讨这种水培垂直种植园。

So at the school that I just created, Yeezy Christian Academy, you know, we call NASA, we call different places about this hydroponic, vertical growing garden.

我记得曾想过，这个花园的理念是从A到Z，你必须能在自己的土地上完全自给自足地生产食物。

And I I remember sitting you know, the idea of the garden is from a to z, you have to be able to make your food right there, fully sustainable, right there on your land.

你知道，有很多人会说：‘我在这里做了这道沙拉。’

And, you know, there's a bunch of people like, oh, I made this salad right here.

就像是，嗯-嗯。

It's like, mm-mm.

我还没那么差。

I'm not that not good enough.

你仍然得去杂货店买80%、60%的东西。

You still gotta go to the grocery store for 80%, 60% of your stuff.

我记得我们曾经有个农民，他想为孩子们建这样一个课堂之类的。

I remember this one, you know, this one farmer we had, you know, he wanted to build this class for the kids and all this.

我要给孩子们看这个。

I'm gonna show the kids this.

人们总是做儿童版的东西。

Like, people always make the kids version.

我不喜欢这种儿童版的做法。

I don't like this the kids version thing.

孩子们需要理解，如果疫情发生时，他们失去了所有父母，一切都消失了，那会怎样。

Like, kids need to understand how, what if the pandemic was, you know, they lost all their parents and it was lost.

孩子们需要尽早了解真实生活是如何运作的。

The kids need to understand early how real life works.

因此，物理是我正在创建的学校的核心科目之一。

So physics is one of the anchors of the school that I'm creating.

我记得，这座城市是完全自给自足的，依靠四大资源运作：土地、风、水和火。

I remember, you know, I'm, the city is all self sustaining, it works off of our four main resources, earth, wind, water, and and fire.

其中90%的运作依赖水，通过引水渠系统，就像马萨达城那样。

And, 90% of it is running off of water with like aqueducts, the city of Masada.

我跟一位工程师说，我希望整个系统完全依靠水来运行。

And I was talking to this engineer and saying, I need the whole thing to run off of water.

他回答说：那我们得使用太阳能。

And he said, well, we're gonna have to use solar power.

我说：我不希望，而且请别觉得我这话有什么冒犯。

And I said, I don't and please, you know, don't take this as any offense.

我不喜欢太阳能电池板。

I don't like solar panels.

我觉得它们仍然是爱迪生理念的一部分。

I feel that they're part of still of what Edison's idea was.

我觉得它们并不真正符合尼古拉·特斯拉对交流电的初衷。

I don't feel like they're really in line with what Nikolai Tesla really wanted to do with alternative current.

我的意思是，去看看特斯拉的整个故事，以及爱迪生是如何打压特斯拉的——如果特斯拉没有被爱迪生控制的媒体和宣传彻底摧毁，世界现在可能早就自由了。

I mean, get into the whole Tesla and what Edison did to take Tesla down and the fact the world would probably be free by now if Teddas if Tesla wasn't basically destroyed by the media that Edison controlled and the propaganda that Edison controlled.

所以我跟我的工程师说，这整个系统必须完全靠水运行，我根本不想用太阳能。

So I'm I'm talking to my engineer and saying, this needs to run completely with water and I don't wanna use a solar anyway.

他说：不，我的意思是，我们要用一面镜子，把它连接到蒸汽机上，让蒸汽机把水推回去。

He says, no, I'm saying we're gonna use a mirror and it's gonna connect to a steam engine and that's gonna push the water back up.

我之前对着那个人大喊大叫，然后我说：你看。

And I was like after, like, screaming at the guy, I was like, look.

如果我懂物理，我就不会对我的工程师大喊大叫了。

If I had known physics, I wouldn't have been screaming at my engineer.

所以，如果我们想想我们在学校里学物理、学农耕的目的，我曾跟一位朋友聊天，她是个说唱歌手，非常虔诚、灵性十足、极其聪明，我给她看了些修道院和完全自给自足社区的设计图，都是同样的理念。

So if we think about what we're learning in school to learn physics, to learn farming, I was I was talking to a friend of mine that's a a rapper and super super god following, spiritual, super smart, and I was showing her the some of the designs for, the monasteries and some of the designs for the fully sustainable communities, all the same thing.

然后上面写着生物工程。

And then it said bioengineering on it.

她说，哦，你猜她怎么想？对她来说，生物工程带有负面含义。

And she said, oh, what do you she is like, for her bioengineering has a negative connotation.

我的回应是，耕种和烹饪难道不是最基础形式的生物工程吗？

And my response was, isn't like farming and cooking like bioengineering at the at the simplest form?

我们从直接从树上摘苹果，发展到把种子往地里一埋，就长出来了。

Like, we went to we're going from, like, grabbing apples off of a tree to, oh, we put this, boom, in the ground.

哦，我们可以种这个，种那个，你知道的，我们就能在这里收获了。

Oh, and we could grow this and we could grow this, you know, we could grow this harvest right here.

所以，我想简单总结一下多nda思维的核心原则：我们拥有这么多信息，还有这些科学探索——特斯拉未完成的、达芬奇未完成的种种成果。

So it's, you know, I wanna just simp simplify and round up the the principle behind the Donda way of thinking is we've got all this information and all this, you know, these sign you know, these scientific exploration these things that Tesla never completed, these things that da Vinci never completed.

我们可以审视这一切，思考如何用最原始的方式重现它们，从而构建一个完全可持续的生态系统，而这正是新冠疫情帮我们更接近的目标——让我们更贴近家人、更贴近孩子，意识到：哇，原来如此。

And, we can look at all of these things and see how do we create the most primitive versions of this to create a fully sustainable ecosystem, which is, you know, what COVID actually helped us to, you know, get closer to our families, get closer to our children, understand like, oh, wow.

这本来就是为我们设计好的：让我们住得离家和孩子学校五十分钟远，离三十分钟远，然后让我们在交通里浪费这么多时间。

That, you know, that was mapped out for us to be fifty minutes away from our home and our kids school to be thirty minutes away and to put us in traffic for that amount of time.

这些城市的设计是为了促进工业和赚取更多金钱。

And these cities have been designed to promote industry and just to make more money.

它们并不是为了促进幸福而设计的。

They haven't been designed to promote happiness.

因此，我们正处在存在方式的范式转变之中。

So we're at this paradigm shift in our existence.

你知道，当穆罕默德进入市场时，我认为是他，带来了金钱，因为在那之前是奴隶贸易。

You know, it was when when Mohammed hit the market, I think that's who it was, and brought money because before it was slave and trade.

这是一种，你知道，不光彩的人尊崇金钱的现象。

And this is something, you know, dishonorable men honor money.

我从戴夫·查普尔那里得到了这句话。

I got this bar from Dave Chappelle.

我并不是想偷他的段子。

I'm not trying to, like, steal his bar.

你知道，作为人类，我们这个地球上种族，一直都在尊崇金钱。

And, you know, we as human beings, this this race on Earth have, like, been honoring money.

而且，你知道，钱根本就不是真的。

And, you know, money isn't it's not even real.

你知道吗？

You know?

它甚至没有任何实物支撑。

It's not even backed by anything.

我不想去深入探讨这个话题。

I don't wanna, like, go too far into that.

但当你摆脱了固有思维，就会发现现在有了其他形式的货币。

But when you unprogram yourself, you see that there's other forms of currency now.

比如，人际关系比金钱本身更重要，这正是我们真正看到的。

Like, relationships are a more important currency than money itself, and that's what we really saw.

就像电影结尾那样，我们的生活分成了疫情前和疫情后两个阶段。

It's like the end of the movie that our existence would be pre COVID, post COVID.

当泰坦尼克号正在撞上冰山并沉没，罗马正在崩塌时，一定会有新的文明出现，就像《创：战纪》结尾那样，一切开始亮起，而此前一切都被笼罩在黑暗之中。

And so as the Titanic is crashing and sinking and Rome is falling, there's gotta be this new civilization like the end of Tron where everything starts to light up and it's been under this like dark cloud.

所以，你知道，上帝正在使用我，他在我生命中有召唤，要让这个世界对所有人变得更好。

So, you know, god is using me and he has a calling, you know, in my life to make the world better for all people.

比如，人们说坏人很多。

Like, people say it's bad people.

也有好人。

There's good people.

不。

No.

有些人被邪灵附身，行为邪恶，但我们所有人曾经都是孩子。

There's there's there's people that are possessed that have demonic ways, but we were all children at one time.

他们说有些人，不。

They say some people, no.

他们生来就是坏的。

They were born bad.

你得记住，比如说，哦，有坏人。

You gotta remember, like, say, oh, there's bad people.

就连魔鬼也是一个天使。

Even even the devil's an angel.

一个堕落的天使。

A fallen angel.

对。

Right.

一个迷失的天使，就像洛杉矶，如果你这么想的话。

A lost angel like Los Angeles, if you think.

等等，但那是一座天使之城。

Let me but that's a city of angels.

让我，让我从头开始说。

Let me let me let me start from the beginning.

所以你本质上是在解构事物。

So you you essentially deconstruct things.

嗯。

Mhmm.

所以当你提到，从很多方面来说，当你把自己描述为一个有远见的人时，我的意思是，你在审视所有现有的体系，无论是音乐产业、对艺术家不利的合同，还是文明的运作方式。

So when you say in in many ways when you're describing yourself as a visionary, this is what I'm saying is that you you're looking at all the systems that are in place, whether it's the record industry, the contracts that are wrong with artists, the way civilization is set up.

我认为‘有远见’这个头衔太光鲜、太浮夸了。

I think visionary is too glossy and too saucy of a title.

好吧。

Okay.

不管怎样，我更像个工程师。

Whatever it More of an engineer.

你正在解构所有这些事物，并发现这些体系中的缺陷。

You're you're deconstructing all of these things and you find flaws in the systems.

所以所有这些体系——无论是音乐产业体系、政治体系、食物获取体系，甚至宗教体系——

So all these systems, whether it's the the music industry system, whether it's the political system, whether it's the the the system of gathering food, whether even a religious system.

我记得你刚开始办周日礼拜时，我朋友说：‘他这是在干什么？’

Like, I remember when you started doing your Sunday service, and my friend was like, what is he doing?

我说：‘他正在让去教堂变得酷起来。'

I go, he's making going to church cool again.

你看，这么多人都玩得这么开心。

Like, you don't think that's look at all these people having a great time.

有成千上万的人在齐声吟唱。

You have you have thousands of people that are chanting and singing along.

他什么都没要求。

Like, he's not asking for anything.

我说，你看看。

I go, look.

如果真有人该做这种事，那一定就是他。

If anybody should be doing something like that, it's him.

我说，因为他创作了伟大的音乐。

I go, because he's making great music.

每个人都玩得很开心。

Everybody's having a good time.

那你从中得到了什么？

And what do you get out of it?

人们从教堂里得到的最好的东西就是归属感，一个大家聚在一起、共同专注于善的时刻。

The best thing that people ever get out of church is sense of community, a time where you get together, and you all agree this is where you're gonna concentrate on good.

你们会专注于善良。

You're gonna concentrate on goodness.

你们会专注于努力寻找那些能帮助社区的共同价值观。

You're gonna concentrate on on on on on trying to find these shared values that are gonna help the community.

现在你们是以这种大规模的形式在做这件事。

Now you're doing this in this mass form.

你有一位超级明星音乐家，以这种大规模的形式，与成千上万的人在巨大的场地中一起做这件事。

You got this superstar musician who's doing this in this mass form with thousands and thousands of people in these gigantic areas.

这完全是积极的。

Like, that's nothing but positive.

所以你重新解构了如何举办宗教仪式的想法，让它变得酷炫。

So you deconstructed the idea of how how to do a religious service but make it cool.

而现在你正在思考解构所有这些不同的事物。

And now you're thinking about deconstructing all these different things.

你在思考如何解构食物的收获方式。

You're thinking about deconstructing how how food is harvested.

你在思考如何解构能源的生产方式。

You're thinking about deconstructing how we make energy.

你实际上正试图解构并重新构想文明的概念。

You're you're literally trying to deconstruct and and reimagine the idea of civilization.

是的。

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

所以请你跟我讲讲，这一切是如何从你开始的。

So we talk me through how this starts with you.

嗯。

Mhmm.

你一生都一直有宗教信仰吗？

Have you were you always religious your whole life?

是的。

Yes.

我曾经是。

I was.

然后，你知道，我上了高中。

And then I, you know, then I hit high school.

不是。

No.

只是

It's just

但你知道，当你年轻的时候，你是一位超级明星音乐人，过着放纵的生活，是什么让你回到了这一切？

so but you you know, when you're a young man and you're, you know, you're a superstar musician and, you know, you live in a wild life, what what was it that led you back to this?

只是你内心感受到生活中还有更多，你的身份还有更多意义，那种你觉得自己可以做得更多的召唤感，让你更愿意去举办周日礼拜，以这种方式思考生活。

Just a feeling in your life that there was more to life, there was more to your position, there was more to, you know, this idea of a calling that you felt like you could do more and that it it resonated with you more to to to produce these Sunday services and to to start thinking of of life in this way.

就像，你可以让事情变得更好。

Like, you can improve things.

是的。

Yeah.

上帝让我从马上摔了下来。

God knocked me off my horse.

上帝，真的直接召唤了我，说：好吧。

God, like, literally called me and said, okay.

我现在需要你。

Now I need you.

我现在就需要你。

Need you right now.

我的意思是，不是上帝需要我。

I need I mean, not that God needs needs me.

是我们需要上帝，但他召唤我去服事他。

We we need God, but he called me to serve him.

我厌倦了为音乐产业服务，厌倦了填满体育场。

And I was tired of serving the music industry, start tired of serving, you know, filling up stadiums.

你知道吗，我上一场演唱会和上一次巡演时，我们用了一个悬浮舞台。

You know, the last concert and last tour I did, we had a floating stage.

而且，实际上那是一个悬挂的舞台，但看起来像是悬浮着的。

And, and, actually, it was a hanging stage, but it looked like it was floating.

这只是另一件事。

And that's just another thing.

这是一种幻觉，而我们需要打破这种幻觉。

That's illusion where we need to dispel the illusion.

我今天甚至不会称它为悬浮舞台，但人们过去总说，我巡演亏钱，因为我把太多钱投入了创意中。

I wouldn't even call it the floating stage today, but the whole thing about is people used to say how I lose money on tours because I would put so much into the creative.

我当时就想证明，但证明给谁看呢？

I and I was, like, wanted to prove, but prove to who?

你知道吗？

You know?

证明给人看，证明给那些贪婪的人看，我能赚得比任何人都多。

Prove to man, prove to greedy peep you know, that I could make more than anybody.

这就像所有艺术家都被迫进入的角斗士姿态。

And that's like the gladiator position that all artists are put into.

我们正处在竞技场的中央。

Like, we're in the middle of this coliseum.

让我给你展示一下。

Let me show you.

我能杀死的狮子、老虎、熊、人，比任何其他角斗士都多，诸如此类。

I can kill more lions and tigers and bears and people and blah blah blah than than any other gladiator that happened.

所以这就是我在做的事。

So that's what I'm that's what I was doing.

然后我记起和詹姆斯·特雷尔谈话时，我扯着嗓子大喊，关于拯救我们自己、拯救人类，以及为什么我和詹姆斯必须建立联系。

And then I remember talking to James Terrell, and I was, like, at the top of my lungs, like, screaming about saving saving ourselves and humanity and the reason why me and James needed to connect.

然后我去参加演出，突然间我的头又回来了，灵魂跳了出去，感觉就像我妈妈在说话。

And then I went to my show, and then it's like my like this like my head popped back and the spirit jumped out, and it felt like it was like my mom talking.

我说的最后一句话是：这件事结束了。

And the last thing I said was, this thing is over.

我说话的样子就像我妈妈，像东达一样。

And I'm saying it like I sound like my mom, like Donda.

如果她以肉身形态看到自己的儿子疲惫不堪，她一定会这么说。

Like, that's something she would have said if she was in the physical form when she sees her son, you know, exhausted.

我刚刚经历了一场——我办了一场时装秀。

Like, I had just went through a I had this fashion show.

我们包下了麦迪逊广场花园，打破了所有界限，卖出了2万16000张票，播放了新专辑，现场有一千名黑人观众。

We had this fashion show where we took over MSG and just broke all boundaries, sold 20 16,000 seats and played the new album, and it was, you know, a thousand black people in the show.

是的，像年轻朱格这样的人都在用iPhone直播，特拉维斯和库迪在跳舞。

And, yeah, like, all the young thug plugging in the iPhone and Travis and Cuddy dancing.

他那里有50美分，杰ay-z也在那里。

He had 50¢ there, Jay Z there.

拉马尔·奥多姆第一次被人看到重新走路，就是我们手挽手走进体育场的时候，他全身穿着迷彩服，戴着Yeezy夹克，从头到脚都是。

Lamar Odom, the the first time that people, you know, saw him and walk again was we walked together into the, into the stadium, and he's camo, Yeezy jacket, all, head to toe.

这之所以如此重要，是因为他昏迷时，我会去探望他，为他播放新歌。

And the reason why that was so important is like when he was in a coma, I would come by and play him the new music.

他从昏迷中醒来后说，他在昏迷时还记得那首音乐，而那天我播放的正是那张专辑。

And once he was out of the coma, he said that he remembered that music when he was in a coma, and that was the album I was playing that day.

所以这就是我和拉马尔一起进场的原因。

So that's the reason why me and Lamar walked in together.

然后几个月后，我办了一场时装秀，但开场推迟了四十五分钟。

And then the next a few months later, I did a fashion show, and it started forty five minutes late.

媒体对我的批评简直铺天盖地。

And the media, they just killed me.

他们就像‘勒布朗化’了我，就像当年勒布朗去迈阿密时，人们说：‘你有什么资格做这样的选择？’

They LeBron ed me, as I would say, like when LeBron went to to Miami and they said, you know, who are you to have a a choice?

你知道，我的另一位偶像汤姆·布雷迪也离开了球队。

You know, like what one of my other heroes, Tom Brady, he he left.

但当勒布朗离开时，没人烧他的球衣，我却没看到类似的情况。

I didn't see no jerseys getting burned, like when LeBron left.

就在那之后不到一周，我妻子在巴黎遭遇了抢劫。

So then less than a week after that, my wife is robbed in Paris.

所以，因为我正在巡演的同时还在办时装秀，做这些事情，我们就这么继续着。

And so we we just because I'm I'm in the middle of tour while I'm doing the fashion show, while I'm doing this.

所以我们取消了巡演，因为这太创伤了。

So we cancel the tour because it's it's very, you know, traumatic.

然后，我们又重新开始了巡演，重新投入进去。

And then, you know, we start the tour back up and we get back into it.

然后我就一直说，我想去日本。

And then I I just keep on saying, I wanna go to Japan.

我就想去日本，因为日本是人们被对待的方式。

I just wanna go to Japan because Japan is like a way that people treat.

在那里，不像在美国那样，每个个体都深嵌着系统性的种族主义，无论黑人、白人或其他人。

There isn't like this systemic racism embedded in every single individual that's inside of the place like in America, Black, white, anything.

那里存在着系统性的白人至上主义。

There's a systemic white white supremacy.

当我提到白人至上主义，或者说这个词时，就像在说‘是的’。

Like, when I tag, you know, white supremacy or we say this, it's like the yes.

这就是美国。

That is America.

这就是当今的世界。

That is the world currently.

我们一直被这样教导。

We've been taught that.

我第一个超级英雄是超人。

My first superhero was Superman.

你知道吗？

You know?

我爸爸是黑豹，但当迪士尼制作《黑豹》时，现在你去搜索，看不到我爸爸保护社区，或在别人倒地时夺走话筒的样子。

And my dad was a Black Panther, but, you know, when Disney makes Black Panther, now when you look it up, you don't see my dad protecting his neighborhood or snatching a mic out of somebody's hand while they're lying.

我不确定。

I don't know.

你知道吗？

You know?

有其父必有其子，对吧。

Like father, like son right there.

但你看到这个为黑人塑造的偶像角色，是由白人设计、由白人公司推出的。

But you see this character that's made for black people to idolize that was designed by a white white person and put out by a white company.

所以他们控制着叙事，说：我们要给你展示哈里·哈里·塔布曼。

So it's controlling the narrative to say, we're gonna show you Harry Harry Tubman.

我们不会展示纳特·特纳。

We're not gonna show you Nat Turner.

他们一有机会就这么做。

And they do every chance they get.

《沉睡魔咒》里，他们称她所属的族群为摩尔人。

Maleficent, they called her her race of people the Moors.

而摩尔人是——我刚刚又看到了。

And the Moors are and I just saw it again.

我当时就想：如果你抹去我们的历史，大多数黑人根本不知道我们的根源，还以为我们来自奴隶。

I was just like, yo, If you erase our history, like most black people, we don't know where we come we think we came from slaves.

我们不知道自己的血统，却把黑人历史月当作送给我们的礼物。

We don't know our bloodline, and we're we're given Black History Month, and we take that like it's some gift to us.

不。

No.

这是一种对我们进行的洗脑。

It's a programming to us.

只要我们还需要在‘种族主义’前面加上‘黑人’这个词，种族主义就不会结束，因为我们自己在悄悄降低标准。

Racism doesn't end until we get to a point where we stop having to put the word black in front of it because it's like we're we're we're we're putting the rim a little bit lower for ourselves.

比如我说‘我是美国第二富有的黑人男性’，为什么我非得这么说？

Like, it's when I say, I'm the second wealthiest black man in America, like, why do I have to say that?

因为，你知道，如果我们只看所谓的财富——也就是财务财富这个指标，我应该是美国第78富有的人，但我们不该有专门的分类，不该有专门的月份。

Because, you know, obviously, if we just go on wealth period of of what we call wealth, like financial wealth, that scorecard, You know, I'd be like, I'm the I'm the seventy eighth wealthiest man in America, but we shouldn't have to have a special box, a special month.

因为黑人历史月展示的总是我们被水枪喷淋的画面，不断提醒我们曾是奴隶。

Because also what they show in black black history month is us getting hosed down, reminding us that we were slaves.

就像，我们什么时候有过‘我骗了你月’？

Like, if we had remember when I cheated on you month?

还记得你第一次发现那些短信的时候吗？

Like, remember when you first found the found the text messages?

记得那让你有什么感觉吗？

Remember how does that make you feel?

它让你感到精疲力尽、彻底挫败。

It makes you feel depleted and defeated.

你知道的。

You know?

无论你信仰什么宗教，我们能达成共识的是：现在就是此刻。

It it's no matter what religion you are, what we can agree on is it is always now.

但此刻是我们生命中最短暂的瞬间。

But now is the shortest moment of our life.

它转瞬即逝。

It's gone in an instant.

我们生命中最漫长的时刻，是我们的记忆和想象。

The longest moments of our life are our memories and our imaginations.

想想孩子在圣诞节到来之前想象了多久，相比之下，圣诞节实际持续的时间有多短。

Think about how long a kid imagines Christmas before I mean, versus how long Christmas really is.

当你回想起自己的圣诞节时，你是像吉姆·凯瑞在《暖暖内含光》里那样，躲在桌子底下，还是觉得自己像个巨人？

And when you think back to your Christmas, are you under the table like Jim Carrey and Eternal Sunshine for the Spotless Mind, like, under a chair, or are you a giant?

你是国王吗？

Are you a king?

你是黑人历史月告诉你的那种人吗？

Are you what black what what Black History Month has told you you are?

这我说的是美国的黑人群体，我知道有些人，他们在自己街区可能持枪、甚至会杀人，却不敢去市中心，真的害怕白人。

And this is me speaking to, you know, black people specifically in America that you know, I know people who would, you know, kill someone in, or have a gun or, you know, in in their own hood and be afraid to go downtown and literally be, like, afraid of white people.

最凶悍的黑帮分子都不敢去市中心，这仅仅是一种编程，而这种编程已经融入了教育体系。

Like, the most gangster gang of gangsters wouldn't go downtown, and that's just a programming, but that program is inside of the curriculum.

它存在于媒体之中。

It's in it's inside of the media.

它还牵涉到这样一个问题：当人们说‘这疯狂吗？’的时候

It and it and it goes to this whole idea of yay when people say, is yay crazy?

雅雅是自恋狂吗？

Is yay a narcissistic?

雅雅是自大狂吗？

Is yay a egomaniac?

雅雅是自我中心吗？

Is yay self absorbed?

雅雅是这些吗？都不是。

Is yay all these no.

雅雅知道她是谁。

Yay know who yay is.

我知道我是谁，我不会屈从于你想要强加给我的那种形象。

I know who I am, and I'm not fin I'm not fin to bow to to an idea that you wanna have of me.

我要成为上帝眼中完整的我，当我做那些上帝不喜欢的事时，我只是在成为那个更渺小的自己。

I am going to be the full idea that god has of me And when I do things that are that God don't like, I'm I'm I'm I'm being the lesser version of me.

这就是为什么，在我的软弱中，上帝的力量得以彰显。

This is where, you know, in my weakness, God becomes strong.

当别人贬低我时，我必须成为更好的自己。

I have to be the higher me when when people are downing me.

这并不是以牙还牙，也不是像你说的那样，降低到那种水平去攻击。

It's not like me fighting fire with fire and me attacking or as you say, like, you know, stooping to stooping to that level.

魔鬼会利用你来对付你。

It's like the devil will use you against you.

你会成为自己的敌人，成为最糟糕的敌人。

You become your own, you become your own worst enemy.

我刚才突然说了一大堆，但关键是，这不就是你所说的吗？

And I just went on a riff right there, but the thing is, these Isn't that what

不过，你不是就这么做的吗？

you do, though?

对，没错。

Like Yeah.

是啊。

Yeah.

我之一件事是，嗯。

One of the things that I Yeah.

每当有人跟我提起你时，他们都会说：他总是东一榔头西一棒子。

When when anybody ever talks about you to me, they they they say, well, he's all over the place.

我会说，我觉得他有一个不同的能量来源。

And I say, I think that he's got a different power source.

如果你观察每个人与世界互动的方式，如果存在一种通用能量，大多数人用的大概就像一个20瓦的充电器。

Like, if you look at the way everybody interfaces with the world, there's if there's a universal power, most people have, like, a 20 watt charger.

我描述你的时候会说：我觉得那个混蛋用的是150瓦的充电器，各种想法源源不断地涌向他。

The way I describe you, I say, I think that motherfucker's got, like, a 150 watt charger, and these ideas are just coming at them.

所以你确实会陷入这些长篇大论，有时需要把它们拆解成单独的要点。

So you do go on these rants that sometimes need to be dissected into individual things.

但总体而言，你非常高效。

But overall, you're incredibly productive.

所以我的问题是，为什么人们觉得你有什么问题？

So my question is, why do you why do people think there's something wrong with you?

对。

Right.

但这真的是，你真的被用药治疗过。

This is but I've lit legitimately, like, you've been medicated.

他们把你送走了。

They've they've put you away.

对吧？

Right?

他们带你去看了医生，那到底是怎么发生的？

They've brought you to how did that happen?

嗯，我会说这两点。

Well well, I I'll say these two things.

我习惯三维思考。

I think very three dimensionally.

我不像被灌输的那样用非黑即白的方式思考，而是用全彩的方式思考。

I don't think in the black and white lines that I've been programmed to think in, and I and I think in full color.

所以当我讲话时，我必须用五种方式来描述一个想法。

So when I talk, I have to describe a thought in five ways.

你知道，我们喜欢味道层次丰富的食物。

You know, we we enjoy food that has multiple seasoning in it.

我们喜欢由多种乐器演奏的音乐。

We enjoy music that has multiple instruments.

所以当我讲话时，这并不是在发牢骚。

So when I talk, it's not a rant.

这是一场交响乐，是的。

It's a symphony Yes.

一场思想的交响乐。

Of ideas.

当你把这些收集起来时，你会说，哦，这些事物之间都有联系。

And when you collect them, you say, oh, these are all these things that connect.

是的。

Yeah.

你知道吗，我只是说真话，而在一个充满谎言的世界里，说真话显得很疯狂。

You know, I've I I just tell the truth, and telling the truth is crazy and a world full of lies.

就是这样。

That's simply it.

但你所说的这些一点都不疯狂。

But none of things you're saying are crazy.

你所说的每一件事都很迷人，你的思维方式太独特了。

None of the things you said are it's fascinating the way you think.

没错。

Right.

因为我能看出你正在从多个层面思考，从各种不同的角度看待事物，而这些想法最终从你口中如龙卷风般汇聚在一起。

Because I can see that you're thinking in all these different layers, and you're looking at things from all these different perspectives, and they all come together out of your mouth in like a tornado of ideas.

嗯。

Mhmm.

如果有人只想和你一来一往地聊天，我能想象他们会认为：这人疯了。

Now if someone wants to just have a conversation with you back and forth, I could see whether they would go, the guy's crazy.

他就是停不下来。

He just doesn't stop.

他一直在发牢骚。

He's just ranting.

但我看到的是，你是一个非常细致的思考者。

But what I'm seeing is just you are a very thorough thinker.

你独立地思考问题，但同时又从一个宏大的视角去审视它们。

You're thinking at things independently, but you're thinking at things in a a massive perspective.

是谁让你觉得这样不好？

Now who convinced you that that's bad?

你一直都是这样吗？还是以前没这么明显？以前更难控制吗？

Is it have have you always been this way, or were you less is it was it less manageable before?

你以前为此困扰过吗？

Did you have issues with it before?

是的。

Yeah.

我相信，在我找到基督并将生命交给上帝之前，我会依赖自己的理解。

I believe before I found Christ and gave my life to God, I would try to lean on my own understanding.

而宇宙就像一个信息的黑洞。

And that's the universe is like a a black hole of information.

你所说的‘自己的理解’是什么意思？

What do you mean by your own understanding?

意思是，当人们问爱因斯坦，比如，你是最聪明的人。

Meaning, when people ask Einstein, say, you're the smartest person.

你想知道什么？

What would you like to know?

爱因斯坦的回答是：我想理解上帝的思想。

He his Einstein's response was, I'd like to understand the mind of god.

意思是，上帝是全知的，而我们只能知道或看到。

Meaning meaning god is all knowing, and we can only know or see.

对我来说，作为一个富有远见的人，我们只能看到上帝允许我们看到的、他认为我们准备好去理解和认识的东西，以最大限度地实现我们的马斯洛需求层次和E图，触发我们的多巴胺、血清素，让我们感到快乐。

And for me as a visionary, we can only know or see what God allows us to see and what he feels we're ready to see and understand to to maximize what our Maslow's hierarchy and E chart is, what sets our dopamine, what sets our serotonin off, what makes us feel good.

基本上，当我14岁的时候，做一件善事，比如为一位名人制作节拍，或者为本地的说唱歌手制作节拍，对我来说都意义重大。

Basically, did a good deed and it's like, it was somehow just doing a beat for a famous per or just doing a beat for a local dope rapper really meant a lot to me when I was 14 years old.

当我19岁的时候，为任何有大唱片合约的名人制作节拍，对我来说已经非常了不起了。

Doing a beat for just anyone famous that had a major record deal was a lot to me at age 19.

当我24岁的时候，能够推出自己的音乐、发布自己的作品，对我来说意义非凡。

Me being able to, you know, put out my own music and put my own out was a lot to me at age 24.

意思是，随着我成长，上帝在我人生的游戏中设定了新的阶段，让我获得满足感。

Meaning, as I grow, god sets new stages in the game of life for me that you get your satisfaction.

比如，马斯洛需求层次就像我们的满足度图表。

Like, Maslow's hierarchy of need is like our satisfaction chart.

是什么让我们作为人类感到完整和有成就感？

What makes us feel whole and accomplished as a a as a human being?

因此，在我经历这些不同阶段时，有时我会在知道自己在做什么时表现出自信，而在不知道自己在做什么时表现出傲慢。

So as I go through these different levels, there's times where I would use confidence when I knew what I was doing, and I would use arrogance when I didn't know what I was doing.

但我宁愿选择傲慢，也不愿让别人贬低我对自己的认知，因为这才是推动我前进的动力。

But I'd rather use arrogance than to let someone, diminish my idea of myself because that is what keeps us going.

希望实际上让我们活下去。

Hope actually keeps us alive.

你问任何人，大多数人会说：你希望明天到来吗？

Anybody you ask, most people is like, do you want tomorrow to come?

他们会说：是的。

And they say, yes.

我从自信和傲慢转变为拥有信念，而信念正是恐惧的对立面。

They they have they have hope for it but I went from having confidence and arrogance to having faith and faith is the opposite of fear.

这造就了我如今这种无畏的态度。

And that created this fearless approach that I have.

这正是让我成为如今无畏领袖的原因——就像我母亲一直坚信的那样，从幼儿园时孩子们就追随我，到我们改变音乐声音时人们看到的领袖，再到我们改变球鞋产业时的领袖。

And that's what made now has made me the fearless leader that I am that I've like crystallized into the leader that my mom always knew I would be when kids followed me in preschool, the leader that people saw when we changed the sound of music, the leader when we changed the the the sneaker industry.

在我们从事农业和建造收容所时，比如几年前我建造无家可归者收容所、走访公园，然后去斯凯普罗，理解其中的动态并共情真正的心理健康问题时，我就是这样的领袖。

The leader in what we're doing with with farming and with with shelters when I was building, you know, the homeless shelters a couple years ago and visiting parks and and then going to Skip Row and understanding the dynamics and empathizing what what actual mental health issues are.

不是某人只是讲述自己的故事，或因疲惫就被贴上标签。

Not someone, you know, telling their truth or being exhausted and then being labeled as such.

就像，我就是如此。

Like, I am So that's

这就是你感受到的经历吗？

what you felt happened to you?

你是在说真话，而且你很疲惫，但他们却把你标为精神不健康？

Like, you were telling the truth and you were exhausted and they labeled you as mentally unhealthy?

是的。

Yes.

当然。

Absolutely.

我这样说对吗？你经历的事情是，你觉得自己可能——或者你很可能觉得，这种更高的使命和对更高力量的觉察，是让你思绪保持连贯的纽带。

Am I saying this right that what happened with you is you feel like maybe or you probably feel like that having this higher calling and recognizing this higher power was the the glue that kept your thoughts together.

它让你头脑清醒，让你走在正道上。

It kept your mind straight and it kept you on a righteous path.

而不是被这些疯狂的想法分散注意力，疲惫不堪，然后被贴上躁狂的标签。

So instead of being scattered with all these crazy thoughts and being exhausted and being labeled manic.

对吧？

Right?

我们之前聊过，你说他们给你开了药，但那些药毁了你的创造力。

Like, we talked before, and you were saying that they had you on medication, but the medication fucked with your creativity.

它影响了各种事情。

It fucked with all kinds of things.

哦，它阻断了我传达上帝旨意的能力。

Oh, it blocked my ability to channel what god wanted me to do.

但我们现在都在吃药。

But we're all we're all on medication right now.

你今天用含氟牙膏刷牙了吗？

Did you use toothpaste with fluoride today?

它会堵塞你的松果体。

It blocks your pineal gland.

他们让儿童服用，而我们也给我们的孩子服用。

And they put children on it and we put we put our kids on it.

你知道吗，我们把氟化物用在了我们用的止汗剂里。

You know, we put it's inside the the the deodorants that we use.

这些都是为了制造一种与神的隔阂，以服务于它。

It's all these things to create like a disconnect to god to serve that.

你是在为人类服务吗？

It's like, are you serving man?

你是在为唯一的主宰服务吗？

Are you serving the the one and only master?

但当他们说要给你开药时，他们跟你说了什么？

But what did they tell you when when they said that they were gonna put you on medication?

他们给你开了什么药？他们跟你说了什么？

What did they put you on, and what what did they tell

你？

you?

他们做的我最喜欢的一件事就是给我开了这种药，让我胖了很多。

One of my favorite things that they did is they put me on this medication that made me gain a lot of weight.

我说，我不打算吃这个药。

And I said, I'm not gonna take this.

他们说，好吧。

And they said, okay.

我们有一种药，你吃了不会发胖。

We got a medication you could take where you don't gain weight.

这说明他们试图慢慢杀死一位超级英雄，试图扼杀一位天才，让我觉得自己不能竞选总统，让我觉得自己不能出生在亚特兰大，不能在芝加哥南区长大，不能进入音乐界，不能赢得所有这些格莱美奖，不能改变音乐的声音和舞台表演的风格，所有这一切，最后却背上了5300万美元的债务。

And this shows you they were trying to kill a superhero slowly, trying to kill genius, trying to make me not feel like I could run for president, make me not feel like I can go, be born in Atlanta, grow up on the South Side Of Chicago, go into music, go and win all these Grammys, change the sound of music and the the look of stage performances, all that, and then still end up in $53,000,000 of debt.

哪个音乐产业会让人们在巡演结束后，背负和他们打算买房的金额完全相同的债务？

What music industry has people going to the exact debt of the house that they think they're gonna buy after the tour is over.

这一切都是精心策划的。

And it's and it's it's strategized.

音乐产业中到处都是罪犯，几乎每个人的账户都遭到了侵害。

There's criminals all over everyone's almost accounts in the music industry.

这里不是一个安全的地方。

It's not a safe place.

这是一个充满危险的地方。

It's a it's a treacherous place.

充满了金钱。

So Filled with money.

一旦事物充满金钱，就会充斥着试图利用他人的人。

Soon as things are filled with money, they're filled with people that are trying to take advantage of other people.

这里充满了金钱。

It's filled with money.

蜜蜂会被蜂蜜吸引。

Bees come to honey.

没错。

Exactly.

没错。

Exactly.

所以

So

他们让你吃这个药，是因为你精疲力尽了？

they put they put you on this shit because you were exhausted?

他们给你开了什么药？

What did they put you on?

你知道，我可以做研究。

You know, I'm a I can I can research?

我不是那个意思。

I'm act no.

我 actually 忘了他们给我开的具体药名。

I'm I'm actually forgetting the exact medication that they had

但那药有什么效果？

But what did it do

对你来说？

to you?

它最主要的作用是摧毁了我的自信。

You the main thing that it did is it destroyed my confidence.

它让我变成了一个不是真正自我的壳。

It made me this shell of who I really am.

它像是蒙上了我的双眼。

It, like, grayed over my eyes.

它让它不再像以前那样奔腾了。

It it it made me it made the Mustang that buck anymore.

他们给你用了镇静剂？

They sedated you?

是的。

Yes.

对。

Yeah.

那他们这么做的考虑是什么？

And they what was the the thought process behind it?

当你跟医生谈论这件事时，他们告诉你你出了什么问题？

When you when you talk to a doctor about this, what did they tell you was wrong with you?

他们告诉我，我患有双相情感障碍。

They they told me I was bipolar.

我记得上过TMZ，说奴隶制是一种选择。

And I remember going on TMZ and saying, you know, slavery is a choice.

他们因为我表达这个观点并大声说出来而给我用药。

And they medicated me for saying that, for having that opinion and saying it out loud.

但当我签下那些合同的时候，我在想，这是一种选择。

But as I put those contracts up, I'm saying, this is a choice.

当我，你

As I, you

你知道，你并不是说人们被绑架、戴上锁链成为奴隶是一种选择。

know You didn't mean people being abducted and brought into slavery and put into chains was a choice.

你所说的，是指人们做出了一些决定，这些决定会让他们在经济上和生活上陷入奴役。

What you were talking about is people making decisions that would enslave them financially and enslave their life.

是的。

Yeah.

但这句话被断章取义了，而且被以最不友善的方式解读。

But it was taken out of context, and it was taken in the least charitable way.

于是他们试图说：看啊，疯子坎耶。

And they decided to try to say, look at crazy Kanye.

看他说的这些胡话。

Look at this shit he's saying.

然后他们就给你吃药。

And then they medicate you.

是的。

Yes.

媒体总是把任何不符合整体叙事的内容断章取义，没错。

And the media is always taking anything out of context that isn't a part of the overall narrative Yeah.

因为你知道，好莱坞和媒体掌控了太多叙事，然后还有硅谷。

That because there's you know, like Hollywood and media has controlled so much of the narrative and then you had Silicon Valley.

我敬佩的英雄之一史蒂夫·乔布斯之所以了不起，正是因为如果没有他让信息如此普及，硅谷就不会存在，也不会有今天的样子——虽然信息仍然有些被控制，但感觉推特是目前最安全、最自由的大众交流平台。

And that's what's so beautiful about one of my heroes, Steve Jobs, because there wouldn't be a Silicon Valley or Silicon Valley wouldn't be what it is today if Steve Jobs didn't make information accessible like this, which is still a bit controlled, but it feels like Twitter is the the safest fleet freest mass platform to communicate on.

而且，你知道，他们就是因为这个去折腾杰克。

And, you know, it's like they mess with Jack because of that.

你知道吗？

You know?

你知道吗？

You know?

嗯，

Well,

这仍然受到审查。

it's it's still censored.

现在有很多问题，但我认为这是内部的。

There's a lot of issues now, but I think that's internal.

我认为是那些在那里工作、思想激进的人想阻止人们说某些话。

I think that's people that are working there that are woke that wanna stop people from saying certain things.

今天在这方面有很多斗争。

And there there's a lot of struggles with that today.

这很不幸，因为我确实同意，这是一种难以置信的传播想法的方式。

And I I it's unfortunate because I I do agree that it's an an unbelievable way to get ideas out there.

是的。

Yeah.

但这也是一种新事物，经常使用它的人却管理不当。

So but it's also it's a new thing, and it's mismanaged by the people that use it often.

他们不知道自己在做什么，也不知道为什么要做。

They don't know what they're doing or why they're doing it.

是的。

Yeah.

人类制造的任何东西的每个版本都会有缺陷。

Every version of anything that man has made will be flawed.

当然。

Sure.

它必须经历一系列不同的演化步骤。

And it has to go through a bunch of different steps of evolution.

它必须不断发展和变化。

It has to it has to evolve and change.

那你为什么同意让他们这样对你？

So why did you agree to let them do this to you?

你为什么同意让他们给你用药？

Why why did you agree to let them medicate you?

因为如果那个样子的话。

Because if that if that look.

我肯定疯了。

I'm crazy for sure.

但如果有人来找我说：嘿。

But if someone came to me and go, hey.

我们要给你开些药。

We're gonna put you on some medication.

这些药会让你平静下来。

That medication's gonna calm you down.

我会说，我做的一切都是因为我不够平静。

I'd be like, everything I do is because I'm not calm.

我所有取得成功的事情，都是因为我精力更充沛，因为我有一种狂野的特质。

Everything that I've ever done that's made me successful is because I have more energy, is because I I have a a a wildness.

我不会去压制这种状态。

Like, I'm not calming that down.

我知道如何让自己平静下来。

Like, I know how to calm myself down.

我可以通过锻炼、冥想、大麻以及很多其他方式自我调节，但我不会服用那种会抹去我独特性的药物。

I can self medicate with exercise and meditation and marijuana and a bunch of different things, but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna take some medication that removes anything that's unique.

你有这么多天马行空的想法，像你今天这样把思绪串联起来的人，世界上没几个。

With you and all these wild ideas that come to your head, like, very few people could string together these thoughts the way you're describing them today.

如果有人问我他有什么问题，我会说：天啊，他满是精彩。

If somebody asked me if there's anything wrong with him, I'm fucking he's filled with awesome.

那有什么不对的？

Like, what's what's wrong with that?

如果你能保持住刚才那种状态，你刚刚描述的重新构想文明、重新构想教堂、重新构想食物供应的方式，这没有任何不好。

If you can keep that together, what you just did, the way you just described reimagining civilization, reimagining church, reimagining the food supplies, there's nothing bad about that.

这一切都非常有趣，也非常棒。

This is all very interesting and very good.

我绝不会说这有什么不好。

Like, I would never say that's bad.

但你一直都是这样吗？

But are you this way all the time?

还是说，有不同版本的坎耶，有些时候你觉得自己无法掌控这些想法？

Or is there good versions of Kanye and versions of Kanye where you don't feel like you have a grip on these these thoughts?

你知道吗，在我去了南卡罗来纳州之后，有些人分享了关于真正躁狂发作是什么样子的观点。

You know, what I love is there was some perspectives that people showed about what a true manic episode really looks like after I was in South Carolina.

有个人谈到他妈妈在发作时绑架了他弟弟，你知道的，那种真正极端的案例。

And this one guy was talking about his mom being in an episode and kidnapping his brother and, you know, like, proper extreme cases.

我哭了，感到心如刀割，我甚至都不想说出我在南卡罗来纳州说了什么，但我的意思是，我想用一种非常安全、能保护我家人的方式表达出来。

You know, I cried and was gut wrenched, like, at the I don't even like to say out loud what I what I said on South Carolina, but the idea of, you know, I'm just trying to word it in a way that's really safe and covers my family.

人们看到了我哭泣的这段视频。

People saw this clip of me crying.

有些人不知道我为什么哭，但我哭是因为那可能是一个机会，是的。

Some people didn't know what I was crying about, but I was crying about that there was a a possible chance yeah.

我只是想用一种轻松的方式来说这件事。

I'm just I'm looking at a way to say this lightly.

我知道。

I know

我知道你要说什么，那就是，我们有可能没有让金和我拥有今天这个家庭。

what you're gonna say, That there was a chance that, you know, that we didn't make that Kim and I didn't make the family we have today.

这就是我最能被家庭接受的、你懂的，表达方式了。

I will that's my that's my most, like, family friendly, you know, way to word that.

一想到这一点，我就心如刀割，因为我曾属于一种助长这种行为的文化。

And just the idea of it just tears me up inside that I was a part of a culture that promotes this kind of thing.

比如，一个

Like, one

的

of

关于生命这一主题的主要统计数据表明，最积极的倡导者是31至37岁的男性。

the major statistics on the subject of life is that the greatest advocates for the a, the a word is are men from ages 31 to 37.

而我当时就是这个年纪。

And that's how old I was.

我感觉自己太忙了。

And I felt like I was too busy.

我爸爸也觉得他太忙，没时间陪我。

My dad felt like he was too busy for me.

我们文化中就有这种现象。

And we have a culture of that.

在非洲，有一些被洗脑、注射毒品、被迫杀害自己父母的儿童士兵。

And they have a child rebel soldiers that were in Africa that would be doped up and psyched out and made to kill their parents.

而在我们的文化中，我们被麻醉、被洗脑，被迫伤害自己的孩子。

In our culture, we're doped up and psyched out and made to kill our children.

我们需要将关于计划生育和女性选择的讨论分开来看。

You know, we have to decouple the conversation of, Planned Parenthood and woman's choice.

当然，我是基督徒，我支持生命。

Now, so of course, I'm Christian, I'm pro life.

当我进入政府任职时，我不会去改变法律，因为我意识到我们生活在一个不完美世界和不完美社会中。

And when I go into office, I'm not changing laws because I realize we live in an imperfect world and an imperfect society.

我将提出一个A计划，我们已经着手制定A计划，以改变孤儿院和寄养制度的含义。

What I will be presenting is a plan A and we've already started to work on plan A to change the connotation of orphanages, to change the connotation of foster care.

不仅仅是口头上的改变，而是要创建像安曼、吉里恩那样，像迪士尼世界为孩子打造的环境。

And not just change the connotation verbally, but to create places that are to the level of like the Amman, Girien, Disney World had a kid.

这到底是什么样的？

What is this like?

我们拥有如此多的土地，完全可以建造这样的场所，并推广到非洲、中国以及全球各地的孤儿院，创造这样的环境——让那些预期生育但觉得自己经济条件不足以抚养新生命的父母，知道有一个地方可以去。

And we have so much land that this can be created and then spread across the world to orphanages in Africa and in China and just across the globe to create these environments that when there's expecting families, moms and fathers, that they feel like there's a place, even if they don't feel well off enough to bring another life into this world, that there's a place to go.

之所以有A计划，是因为B计划和计划生育都是由优生学推动的，他们公开宣称：这样做是为了消灭黑人种族并实现人口控制。

There's a plan A because plan B and planned parenthood were planned by a eugenics that set out and said out loud, I'm doing this to kill the black race and to create population control.

你知道吗，我们等一下。

You know, if we Wait a minute.

你什么意思？

What what are you saying?

Plan B指的是那个药，就是紧急避孕药。

Plan b mean the the pill, meaning the the the morning after pill.

你知道吗？

You know what?

让我

Let me

还有计划生育协会。

And Planned Parenthood.

让我把这些事情分开来说。

Let me let me let me decouple those things.

让我来谈谈计划生育协会。

Let me let me talk about Planned Parenthood.

好的。

Okay.

我看到的最后一个数据是，美国有21万人死于新冠。

There's the last figure I saw is there were two hundred and ten thousand deaths due to COVID in America.

无论你去哪里，都能看到有人戴着口罩。

And everywhere you go, you see someone with a mask on.

一个词，一种文化。

With a the a word, a culture.

我再说一次：堕胎文化。

I'll say it one time with abortion culture.

每天有一千名黑人儿童被堕胎。

There are one thousand black children aborted a day, daily.

我们正处在种族灭绝之中。

We are in genocide.

自二月以来，死去的黑人儿童数量比死于新冠的人还要多，而每个人都戴着口罩。

We so more black children have died in the past since February than people have died of COVID and everyone wears a mask.

那么，我们视而不见的是什么地方呢？

So it's a matter of where are we turning a blind eye to?

比如媒体常常能控制很多东西，它掌控着我们关心什么，我甚至听过有人说过这么一句话：波多黎各已经没戏了。

Like the media can control a lot of times, it has control what we care I even heard somebody say at one point, this is the actual sentence I heard someone say Puerto Rico so played out.

意思是，曾经有人关心过这件事，但现在媒体说别再关心了，可这些问题依然没有得到解决。

Meaning there was a time where people were caring about it and now the media says don't care about it, but these people, it still hasn't been solved.

飓风依然在袭击，地震依然在发生，人们依然在受苦，却没人真正去修复这些问题。

The hurricanes still have hit, the earthquakes still hit and people are still suffering from that and no one has really gone to fix it.

当110亿美元捐给海地却没能到达人民手中时，每日邮报却发布泳装照之类的内容，转移了我们集体帮助兄弟姐妹的注意力。

When that 11,000,000,000 goes to Haiti and it doesn't get to the people, you know, the daily mail post a swimsuit pic or something and deters our energy to what we have to do collectively to to to help our brothers and sisters.

你知道，我把社会看作一个整体。

You know, I look at society as as one body.

我想谈谈这个分歧，因为我的思绪像云朵和马里奥兄弟一样，一会儿跳到这个，一会儿又跳到另一个。

I I wanna just go into this rift because my thoughts are like these clouds and Mario Brothers, and I'll jump to this and I'll see another one.

我又跳到另一个想法，说：哦，对了。

I'll jump to another one and say, oh, yes.