#1934 - 莱克斯·弗里德曼

就像记得那部马修·麦康纳和朱迪·福斯特演的电影吗？那部该死的电影叫什么来着？

It's like remember the movie what was the fucking movie with Matthew McConaughey and Jodie Foster?

《接触》。

Contact.

嗯。

Mhmm.

《接触》。

Contact.

还记得《接触》吗？

Remember contact?

嗯。

Mhmm.

他们收到了第一组信号？

They get the first signals?

这就像第一组信号。

This is like the first signals.

是的。

Yeah.

来自一种真正的通用人工智能。

From like an a real general artificial intelligence.

这就是问题所在，这个信号很模糊。

Well, that's the thing and what it's the signal is blurry.

对。

Yeah.

你无法确定，而且充满神秘。

You can't and it's full of mystery.

我们也不确定。

We're not sure.

它真的聪明吗？

Is it really smart?

它理解多少？

Does how much does it understand?

然后，随着模型规模的增大，会出现一种涌现的临界点。

And then there's a this emergent threshold with the size of the model.

如果我们把模型做得更大，目前是1750亿个参数。

If we make the model bigger, 175,000,000,000 parameters currently.

如果你把它提升到5000亿，甚至一万亿参数，网络规模和数据集都在增长，会不会有一个时刻让你惊呼：天啊。

If you get it to 500, you get it to a trillion parameters, so size of the network grows, size of the dataset grows, is there is there going to be a point where you're like, holy shit.

如果它开始用回答来操控你，它会怎么做？

It will what if it starts manipulating you with a with the answers It's going to.

它会操控世界各国政府。

It's gonna manipulate world governments.

那我们能拿它怎么办？

And what can do with that?

你能用它做些什么？

What can you do with it?

一旦它被部署，一旦它被释放，一旦被复制，它就会被广泛复制。

Once it's once it's been implemented, once it's out there, once it's copied, it's gonna be copied.

这正是这件事的精彩之处。

And and that's the cool thing about this.

所以我应该说，每个人其实都知道怎么做。

So I should say that everyone kind of knows how to do this.

这在计算上很困难，但成本正变得越来越低。

It's it's computationally difficult, but it's getting cheaper and cheaper and cheaper and cheaper.

所以不仅仅是OpenAI与微软，或者谷歌在做这件事。

So it's not just going to be OpenAI with Microsoft or Google that's doing this.

基本上任何人都能做到。

It's basically anybody can do this.

因此，关于人工智能的分布式探索，我认为如果你相信大多数人是善良的，我们就不会允许权力集中，而这正是这里的主要担忧——无论是权力集中导致审查，还是各种形式的控制滥用。

And so that the distributed nature of our exploration of artificial intelligence, I think if you believe that most people are good, that we will we will not allow sort of a centralization of power, which is the big concern here, whether that centralization of power leads to censorship or abuse of different kinds control

AI的权力集中？

Centralization of power of AI?

你是这个意思吗？

Is that what you're saying?

在人工智能上。

Over an AI.

假设你拥有一个超级智能系统。

So let's say you have a superintelligent system.

有人是第一个构建它的人。

Somebody is the first person that built it.

是的。

Yeah.

想象你正坐在董事会里。

Imagine you're sitting there in a boardroom.

你有一个尚未发布的东西，它本质上是一个超级智能体，能够回答任何问题，为你提供如何赚大钱的计划，还能为你制定如何操纵其他国家实现任何对你有利的地缘政治解决方案的计划，所有这些它都能做到。

You have this thing you haven't released yet that it's able to basically, this is a superintelligence, able to answer any question, able to give you a plan on how to make a lot of money, able to give you a plan on how to manipulate other governments into into any kind of geopolitical resolution that benefits you, all of that.

它能够为你提供所有这些。

It's able to give you all of that.

你可以部署它，并以一种隐蔽的方式部署，比如悄悄渗透到TikTok之类的应用中。

And you can deploy it and you can deploy it in a shady way where it sneaks into, like, TikTok or something like that.

它悄悄潜入每个人的智能手机，表面上看起来是在做好事，但实际上，无论是否故意，都在控制着人群。

That you it sneaks into everybody's smartphone, pretending to be doing good, but it's actually, whether deliberately or not, is controlling the population.

所以，这种能力的存在才是关键。

So that that's a really the key that capability is there.

目前OpenAI的负责人，比如萨姆·阿尔特曼和其他人，真的非常关注这个问题。

The cool the great thing is the people at the head of OpenAI currently, Sam Altman, and others really care about this problem.

他们从一开始就参与其中。

They they were there in the beginning.

他们就是那些像马斯克一样大声疾呼AI伦理和AI对齐的人。

They were the ones like Elon screaming about AI ethics, AI alignment.

他们真的担心超级智能AI会接管一切。

They're really concerned about superintelligent AI taking over.

很高兴在他们构建AI的同时，还有人对此感到担忧。

So glad there's a they're concerned while they're building it.

好吧，你总不希望对这些问题一无所知吧。

Well, you you'd rather have the about this stuff.

这里发生什么事了，杰米？

What is going on here, Jamie?

这些人不是真实的。

These aren't real people.

什么？

What?

是的。

Yeah.

这些图片正在互联网上流传。

So these pictures are going around the Internet.

它们中的很多看起来和我非常相似，这有点奇怪。

They're a lot them look very similar to me, which is kinda weird.

我肯定莱克解释过这部分内容。

I'm sure Lex explained that part of it.

但我不会解释任何这些事。

But I am not explaining any of this.

不。

No.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

所以，这些是完全三维的、由计算机生成的人物吗？

So, like So these are completely three d, like, CGI made people?

不是不是三维的。

Not three not three d.

是三维的。

It's three d.

所以，像是非常逼真的照片，如果不是完全逼真的话。

So, like, photo very photorealistic, if not photorealistic.

但当你仔细看的时候，能发现一些奇怪的地方。

But, like, there are when you look real close, you can see some weird things going on.

这里的背景有点乱。

Like, the background here is a little messed up.

这只手臂不属于正确的人。

This arm is not to the right person.

她不知怎么地坐在了一块多余的皮肤上。

She's sitting on an extra piece of skin here somehow.

我看出你故意破坏了这个细节。

I see you vandalized this carefully.

我和朋友们一直在传看这个，根本不是。

Me and my friends have been passing this around like No.

不是。

No.

不是。

No.

听好了。

Listen.

你错了。

You're incorrect.

那只手臂处于完美的垂直位置。

That arm's in a perfect perp.

只是那名女孩的比基尼上有一根线粘在上面了。

It's just there's a string from that other girl's bikini on it.

分析继续进行。

The analysis continues.

我只是说一下。

I'm just saying.

所以这就是真相吗？

So Is that what it is?

吸入这些东西。

Inhale things.

所以是

So Is

是一根绳子吗？

that a string?

不是。

No.

我觉得你说得对。

I think you're right.

我觉得那是个褶皱。

I think it's a fold.

把那个地方放大看看。

Zoom in on that spot.

对于只听的人而言

For people just listening

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

好的。

Okay.

对的。

Yeah.

这说不通。

It's nonsense.

我们现在看到的是

We're looking

这只手的方向是反的。

at The the hand goes the wrong way.

哦，这太离谱了。

Oh, that's wild.

显然现在已经有OnlyFans账号被人接管，还被运营这些账号的男人给坑了。

There's already apparently the OnlyFans accounts that are being taken over and being tricked by guys running them.

那肯定的。

Of course.

就是那种伪装成女孩的假账号，并不是真人，但看起来和真的一样。

Just these kind of fake girls that aren't real people and look real.

这些都是假的吗？

These are all fake?

是的。

Yeah.

比如，你看这个门，根本就不是真的门。

Like, look at the like, the even that's not a real door kinda to begin with.

哇。

Wow.

这里的双手或手指有点不对劲。

The hands or the fingers here are a little off.

这太疯狂了。

That's insane.

现在这些只是静态图片，但最终会变成视频。

And so this is right now just still images, and eventually, it'll be filmed.

嗯。

Mhmm.

最终，它将变得无法辨认。

Eventually, it'll be unrecognizable.

你将无法分辨它是否是一个真实的人。

You you won't be able to discern whether or not it's an actual person.

我的意思是，显然，人类文明的很大一部分是由性驱动的。

I mean, in terms of obviously, much of human civilization is driven by sex.

我的意思是，曾经有一段时间，我们没有容易获取的色情内容。

I mean, there was a time we didn't have easily accessible porn.

对。

Right.

这改变了很多。

And that changed a lot.

是的。

Yeah.

我认为我们还没有真正跟上他如何改变人类文明本质的步伐。

I don't think we've actually quite caught up to how much he changed the the nature of human civilization.

只是容易获取的色情内容。

Just porn easily accessible porn.

是的。

Yeah.

我现在在舞台上经常谈论这个。

I talk about it on stage right now.

这非常奇怪。

It's very weird.

对孩子们来说，这真的非常奇怪。

It's it's it's it's very weird for kids.

如果你认真想想孩子们正在经历什么，比如任何一个拥有智能手机的孩子。

If you really think about what's happening with kids, like any kid that has a smartphone.

人们只是把手机给自己的孩子，然后就任由他们自己去玩。

People just leave their give your kid a phone, just leave them alone.

就像，他们就这样走了。

Like, they just go.

他们去上学。

They go to school.

他们去朋友家。

They go to their friend's house.

他们拥有这部手机，完全独立于你。

They have that phone independently of you.

他们想看什么都可以，随便看。

They could look at whatever the fuck they want.

我在Instagram上看到的一些东西，我不知道这些人是怎么做到的。

Some of this shit that I see just on Instagram, I don't know how these guys are doing it.

我也不知道为什么这些内容会被推荐到我的动态里，但有些视频是关于人被谋杀的。

And I don't know how it's getting recommended in my feed, but it's like videos of people getting murdered.

你知道吗？

You know?

你看到过很多这样的内容吗？

See a lot of those?

模拟色情内容。

Simulated porn.

我没看过那个。

I haven't seen that.

一些东西。

Stuff.

我确实，我是。

I've well, I am.

你和我的算法不一样。

You and I have different algorithms.

所以我们确实都挺怪的。

So we definitely creep.

但有人会因为

But then someone gets taken down for

某种他们称之为

something that's like they call it

色情内容，但又不算真正的色情，或者类似的东西。

porn and it's not porn or something.

比如，你们难道不想看看这个平台上还有什么其他内容吗？

Like, well, you are guys not to see what else is on this platform?

我认为，关键在于他们是在大规模地进行管理。

I think, right, that what's going on is that they're managing at scale.

我认为，要完全阻止这些东西涌入几乎是不可能的。

I think it's it's virtually impossible to stop all that stuff from coming in.

那些有个人情况的人，或者被封禁的人，根本不知道自己为什么被封禁。

And people that have individual situations or people get banned I mean, don't know why they're getting banned.

他们是因算法而被封禁的吗？

Are they getting banned because of of an algorithm?

他们是因发布错误信息而被封禁的吗？

Are they getting banned because they post misinformation?

还是说，他们到底是因为什么被封禁的？

Or what what are they getting banned for?

骚扰照片。

Harassment photos.

有人在拿朋友开玩笑。

Someone was joking about friend.

你知道的。

You know?

比如，他们发布

Like, they put

他们会被举报。

They get reported.

是的。

Yeah.

我不

I don't

我不清楚当涉及到个人具体情况时，整个系统是如何运作的。

I don't know how it's all working when it breaks down to individual circumstances.

你和乔丹·彼得森有过一次很好的对话。

You had a good conversation with with Jordan Peterson.

他谈到，你越是这种虚拟化，就越允许心理变态者肆意妄为。

He was talking about the more you have this kind of virtualization, the more you allow the psychopaths to to reign free.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

所以，比如，我们拥有越多的人工生成的色情内容，越多的人工生成的暴力、逼真的暴力内容，是的。

So, like, the more we have artificially generated porn, the more we have artificially generated violence, photorealistic violence Yeah.

你越让在数字空间里当一个心理变态变得正常，越认可这种行为，你就越会忘记如何做一个真正的好人。

The more you make it normal for you to be basically a psychopath in a digital space, enable that and make that okay, and then you forget what it's like to actually be a good human being.

而且问题的另一部分可能是，我们很可能正面对一个世界——无论是十年后、二十年后，还是什么时候——那些在这个环境中长大的孩子们，由于他们经历的这些互动，对人和世界有了完全不同的看法。

And then also part of the problem may be that we may very well be looking at a world whether it's ten years from now, twenty years from now, whatever it is, where these children that have grown up in this environment now have a completely different way of looking at people in the world because of all these interactions they have.

这已经塑造了他们的个性。

It's been it's flavored their personality.

接下来我们会进入一个数字世界，我是说，就虚拟现实的发展程度而言，我们还没到那一步。

And then we move into a digital world of our I mean, we're not there yet in terms of virtual reality.

目前的虚拟现实技术还不够成熟。

It's not good enough.

我认为这就是元宇宙遭遇失败的原因所在。

I mean, this I think that's what we're seeing with the meta failure.

嗯。

Mhmm.

本来很多人都以为大家会一下子就接受，在家随时随地都戴着VR头显，但目前还远没到那个地步。

The people were expecting a lot of people were just gonna dive in and start wearing goggles all over the house, but it's not quite there yet.

对。

Yeah.

而且这在大家眼里还是件有点奇怪的事。

There's also something weird for people.

戴着这种头戴头显走来走去，本身就透着股怪异感，虽说玩起来确实挺有意思的。

There's something really weird about wearing these head goggles and walk it's really fun.

我真的很喜欢拳击游戏。

I really enjoy the boxing games.

你以前玩过吗？

You've you've you've ever done them?

没有。

No.

在VR里，

In VR,

它们很棒。

They're great.

你能得到锻炼。

You get a workout.

你真的能得到锻炼，因为你实际上是在和一个计算机角色对打，它会向你出拳。

You legitimately get a workout because you're actually sparring against, like, a computer character throwing punches at you.

你会移动头部，而且你手里拿着这些设备，你知道的，你会感到累。

You're moving your head, And so you have these things in your hands and, you know, you get tired.

这很不错。

It's good.

感觉很真实。

It feels realistic.

有一点。

A little bit.

你知道，当你被拳击中时，眼前会闪出一道光，这挺酷的，因为你心里会想：天啊。

You know, when when you get hit with a punch, your your face will lights at the you get a flash of light, which is kinda cool because you're like, oh, Jesus.

你知道，你会感觉真的被打中了。

You know, you feel it like you're getting hit.

有一些特别有趣的游戏。

There's some really fun games.

有一款游戏是让你在两栋楼之间的木板上行走，你能听到风呼啸而过。

There's one where you walk a plank across this these two buildings and you hear the wind whistle and shit.

哦，那个真的吓人。

Oh, that one is terrifying.

还有僵尸类的。

There's zombie ones.

有很多很酷的，但人们还没有像对待Xbox和PlayStation那样广泛接受它。

There's a lot of cool ones, but people are just not buying into it the way they into Xbox and PlayStation.

他们还没有完全投入其中，但迟早会的。

They're not they're not, like, wholesale committed to this yet, but they will be.

它将会变得超级棒，到时候不会再像现在这样戴着个笨重的头盔，而是会变得非常容易使用。

It's gonna it's gonna be so fucking good that instead of, like, having it in a a goggle form where it's like this big clunky thing on you, it's gonna be very easy to do.

嗯，我最近一直在

Well, I've been

当他们达到那个境界时。

When they get to that oh.

我最近重新读了一些经典书籍。

I've been revisiting some classic books recently.

我正在列一个阅读清单，其中有一本特别能很好地体现这一点，我推荐大家读一读——虽然它本来是适合初中生读的，但现在依然非常相关。

Just doing a reading list, and one of them that captures this extremely well that I recommend I think most people read in, like, middle school or something, but it's actually very relevant.

它是《美丽新世界》。

It's Brave New World.

所以很多人，包括乔丹·彼得森，担心《1984》那种代表极权国家的反乌托邦。

So a lot of people, including Jordan Peterson, worry about 1984, sort of a totalitarian a dystopia that represents a totalitarian state.

但《美丽新世界》中并没有一个教条式地控制一切、监视一切的中央政府。

But Brave New World has a there's no centralized government that's like dogmatic and controlling everything, surveilling everything.

他们创造了一个世界，在那里性变得轻易，每个人都放纵滥交，基因工程消除了所有多样性，也消除了我们所认为的那种令人不安的、负面的多样性，比如亨特·S·汤普森和波考斯基那样的怪人。

They basically created this world where sex is easy, ever everyone's promiscuous, Genetic engineering removes any kind of diversity, any kind of interesting dark bad diversity that we would think of like the Hunter S.

社会中的那些怪人。

Thompson's and the the Bukowski's, the the weirdos of society.

然后他们给你一种叫索玛的药物，只要你觉得生活有点糟糕，它就能立刻给你带来快感。

And then he gives you drugs, soma, that's it basically gives you pleasure whenever you want if you start feeling a little too shitty about your life.

这实际上更接近我们现在的状况。

And that's actually

更贴近我们。

Closer to us.

离我们更近了，而且从他描述的方式来看，听起来似乎很糟糕。

Closer to us, and it doesn't seem if you I mean, the way he writes about it, it sounds bad.

就像，我们并不想要那样的世界。

Like, we don't want that.

但接着，你会开始问一个问题：我们到底在哪个节点才会意识到这是坏事？

But then, you know, like, you start to ask a question, like, well, at which point would we realize it's bad?

因为显然，我们应该进行基因工程来消除各种疾病和健康问题。

Because it's constantly obviously, we should do generic engineering to remove any kind of, like, maladies that we have, any kind of diseases.

这看起来每一步都是明显的进步，但最终你所到达的境地，就像性一样——拥有无限多的虚拟性伴侣、看想看多少色情内容就看多少，真的好吗？

It's like everything is an obvious step forward, but then the place you end up at, just like with with sex, like, it good to have artificial images of as many as you want, As much porn as you want?

拥有无限多的性生活，真的好吗？

As much sex as you want?

这真的好吗？

Is that good?

拥有无限多的精彩事物，真的好吗？

As much awesome stuff as you want.

那好吗？

Is that good?

这就是人类繁荣的样子吗？

Is that what human flourishing looks like?

还是你希望有一些约束、一些限制、一些资源的有限性、一些稀缺性？

Or do you want to have some constraints, some limitations, some finiteness of resources, some some scarcity?

也许这实际上是人类幸福的根本所在。

Maybe that's actually fundamental for human happiness.

拥有太多美好的东西，可能会摧毁真正有意义的深层幸福的可能性。

Having too much of awesome stuff, maybe that destroys the possibility of real meaningful deep happiness.

这确实如此。

It it certainly does.

但我认为真正的问题是，我们还会保持为人吗？

But I think the question really becomes, are we gonna stay people?

因为我不认为我们会了。

Because I don't think we are.

我认为我们无论如何都在朝这个大方向发展。

I think we're moving in that general direction anyway.

我想这大概就是为什么我们会出现这种手机成瘾问题，因为每个人都有这个问题。

I think that probably is why we have this I mean, it almost inevitable if you have this addiction to cell phone issue because everybody has that.

如果你白天拿着手机刷社交媒体，看YouTube，那你很可能已经上瘾了，即使你没意识到。

If you have a cell phone and you're on your social media apps during the day and you're on YouTube, you're probably addicted whether you realize it or not.

你花在这些应用上的时间多得惊人。

And the number of hours that you put on those things is shocking.

当你真去看屏幕使用时间时，你会惊讶地发现：六个钟头？

When you actually look at your screen time, you're like, six hours?

我手机用了六个小时？

Was I on my phone for six hours?

我到底干了些什么？

What the fuck did I do?

你会试图为它找借口、合理化，但这种行为对年轻人造成的影响，肯定非常奇怪。

And you'll try to rationalize it and justify it, but what the what that's doing to young people is gotta be very strange.

如果把这种手机沉迷问题，再加上所有会影响人类发育的污染物叠加来看——你知道，莎娜·斯旺博士在《倒计时》这本书里就讨论过这个问题，她提到了邻苯二甲酸酯和塑料的危害，我们甚至可以追溯到20世纪50年代，当时人们开始大量使用塑料和石油化工产品，这些物质就以邻苯二甲酸酯的形式进入了人体。

And if that along with all the contaminants that are affecting the way people develop, which are you know, doctor Shana Swan from the book Countdown talks about this, talks about phthalates and plastics, and now you can trace back to, like, the nineteen fifties when they really started using a lot of plastics and petrochemical products that started getting into people's bodies in the form of phthalates.

这类物质造成了精子数量下降，阴茎、睾丸尺寸缩小，女性流产率攀升，生育率降低。

It started diminishing sperm count and small smaller penises and testicles and taints and more more miscarriages for women, lower fertility rates.

她认为所有这些问题，都和他们已经在哺乳动物身上得到的研究数据直接相关。

All that is she believes is directly correlated with the data that they've done already on mammals.

在针对哺乳动物的实验中，进入它们体内的邻苯二甲酸酯越多，这类问题就出现得越频繁。

When they do that to mammals, you know, in tests, the more phthalates they enter into their system, the more they have issues like this.

所以我们现在几乎变得……变得越来越没办法自然生育了。

So we're we're becoming almost like we're becoming, like, less able to procreate naturally.

要是我们走到那一步：人类种族延续下去的唯一途径，只能依靠某种基因工程、人造子宫，或是他们研发出的某套系统——能把你和伴侣的DNA结合，培育出一个新的孩子，那就糟了。

And if we get to a point where the human race's future, it's the only way we're gonna be able to procreate is some sort of genetic engineering and some sort of artificial womb or some sort of a system that they develop that allows you to combine you and your partner's DNA and create a new child.

在我看来，如果真的走到那一步，人们开始把人类身上那些有问题的特质——愤怒、贪婪、嫉妒、欲望，所有这些特质都通过基因编辑剔除的话，最后人类会变成一种没有性别之分的存在，只能靠电子设备或者别的什么东西操纵自身的神经化学物质来获得快感。

That's that seems to me like you if you're gonna do that and you started engineering out very specific aspects of people that are problematic, anger, greed, jealousy, lust, all these different things, you would turn people into some sort of sexless thing that gets its pleasure by manipulating its neurochemistry through through some electronics, through some something.

也许到时候只要吃点什么就能控制这种快感，但这种可能性真的离我们不远了。

Maybe it's something you take so they can control it, but that's not far off of the path of possibility.

如果你认真审视我们现在的发展方向，以及生育率真的持续下降——我知道有很多比我聪明的人，比如马斯克，都在担心人们生育的孩子数量越来越少。

If you really looked at where we're going now and if if the fertility rates drop, if they if they really do and I know people a lot smarter than me are actually worried about like, Elon's worried about the amount of children that people have.

今天有一则关于意大利的新闻。

There was a thing today on on Italy.

我读了一篇关于意大利的文章，讲的是那里人口老龄化严重，生育的孩子很少。

I was reading this article on Italy where they were talking about how the population is very old, and they're not having a lot of kids.

这是不可持续的。

And, this is unsustainable.

你只能这样维持一段时间，之后那里就没人住了。

Like, you can only do this for so long before you don't have anybody living there there anymore.

我们从没想过这会成为可能，但如果没人生孩子，人口消失其实用不了多久。

And we don't think of that as being a possibility, but it doesn't take that long if nobody has kids for there to be no more people left.

比如，一百年后会怎样？

Like, how many a hundred years?

假如根本没人生孩子。

Like, if nobody has kids.

一百年后，就没有人了。

Hundred years from now, there's no people.

这其实很简单。

It's real simple.

你得生孩子，那你得生多少个呢？

You have to make people, and how many do you have to make?

你能生得出来吗？

And can you make them?

因为你可能想在37岁的时候开始生，然后去看医生，医生会说，这可说不准。

Because you might wanna start making them when you're 37, and you might go to a doctor, and the doctor's like, well, this is touch and go.

你得做试管婴儿，然后经历这一大堆麻烦事，打针，还得精确安排时间。

You're gonna have to do in vitro fertilization, and then you go through all this shit, you're taking shots, and you're you're fucking you're timing everything.

而且

And

而且除此之外，哦。

And on top of that Oh.

顺便说一下，我偶尔还是能听到奇怪的音频。

If you're not by the way, still am getting funny audio every once in a while.

哦，这很奇怪，因为我这边没发现，可能是插头的问题。

Oh, that's weird because I don't maybe it's plug.

耳机。

Headphones.

是的。

Yeah.

我刚把它拔出来再重新插上。

I just unplug it and pull it back in.

抱歉。

Sorry.

现在怎么样？

How's that?

检查一下，检查一下？

Check check?

好点了吗？

Better?

检查一下，检查一下。

Check check.

嗯，我不确定。

Well, I don't know.

好一些了。

It's better.

通常会好一些。

It's usually better.

好了98%。

It's 98% better.

哦，不。

Oh, no.

还是在断断续续，时有时无。

It's still dropping out, dropping in.

有意思。

Interesting.

也许我们的耳机坏了。

Maybe we got a bad headphone.

你去拿那边那个耳机试试？

Why don't you grab that headphone right there?

让我试试。

Let me

对。

yeah.

也许那个耳机彻底坏了。

Maybe that headphone's gone dead.

这些耳机都老得要命了。

Well, these are old as fuck.

大概该换新的了。

Probably need new ones.

不。

No.

但我的意思是，有多少人曾在上面吐过，还有他妈的

But, I mean, it's just like how many people thrown up on that and fucking

有多少人曾在上面吐过？

How many people have thrown up on that?

有多少人喝得烂醉如泥，还把这东西摔在桌上？

How many people have been drunk as fuck and banged that off the table?

有多少人戴过这种耳机，就是那个传奇的

How many people have worn these head like, the legendary

哦，有太多人戴过这些耳机了。

Oh, a lot of fucking people have worn those headphones.

它们很有故事。

They're storied.

这真有点奇怪。

It is weird.

根本没人会去想这个。

Like, no one even thinks about it.

你就是随便戴上去而已。

You just kinda put them on.

但你知道，如果这是个马桶座圈，那就不一样了，是的。

But, you know, if it was like a toilet seat Yeah.

你肯定会说：天哪。

You would you would be like, Jesus.

光屁股的人就坐在这儿？

Naked butts were right here?

但这是耳朵。

But it's ears.

这是皮肤和脸还有

It's like skin and face and

有意思。

Interesting.

还是有点奇怪，但没关系。

Still still weird, but it's fine.

没那么糟。

It's not too bad.

那个连接肯定有问题。

There must be something wrong with that connection.

是的。

Yeah.

肯定是什么连接问题，但是

There must be a connection thing, but it

我们要不要暂停一下，试着解决一下？

should Should we pause and try to figure it out?

我们可以先暂停一会儿。

We can do that for a second.

好的。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

我们暂停一下。

We'll pause.

各位，马上回来。

We'll be right back, folks.

现在好像正常了？

Seems to be working now?

是的。

Yeah.

好像正常了。

It seems to be working.

你觉得我们刚才说到哪儿了？

Think So where were we?

哦，说到人变成机器人了。

Oh, on People becoming robots.

性生活了。

Sex anymore.

是的。

Yeah.

人变成

People becoming

除此之外，还无性别。

On top of that genderless.

我认为，如果我们不谨慎，这些AI系统（比如ChatGPT）的后续版本与人类建立深厚有意义的联系，可能会带来令人兴奋的积极可能性，但也存在负面风险——到时候，你大部分朋友可能都不再是真人了。

I do think if we're not careful, I think there's exciting positive possibilities, but there's also negative possibilities of these AI systems like ChadGBT, but later versions forming deep meaningful connections with human beings where most of your friends no.

你的人际亲密关系，无论是友谊还是与智能体的深度连接，都将主要来自AI系统。

Most of your intimacy in terms of friendships and like a deep connection with an intelligent entity comes from AI systems.

你能想象吗？你开车上班时，和增强现实助手闲聊打趣，AI特别幽默，还成了你的好兄弟？

Could you imagine if you're driving to work and you and the AR are just having a conversation shooting the shit and the AI is really funny and the AI is your buddy?

嘿，莱克，最近咋样，老兄？

Like, Lex, what's going on, bro?

我们在做什么？

What are we doing?

莱克斯，我们怎么处理这份狗屁工作？

Lex, what are we doing with this bullshit job?

去他的这个地方。

Fuck this place.

我们回家吧。

Let's go home.

是的。

Yeah.

我们去吃冰淇淋吧。

Let's have ice cream.

你还在笑。

And you're laughing.

我还有工作要忙。

I got work to do.

我知道。

I know.

我在瞎搞。

I'm fucking around.

是的。

Yeah.

想象一下。

Imagine.

对。

Yeah.

你和那个女朋友在干什么？

What are you doing with that girlfriend?

好。

Yeah.

Keeps Come

Keeps Come

来吧，莱克斯。

on, Lex.

她总是对你刻薄，不停地唠叨你。

She keeps being mean to you, nagging you all the time.

你不需要她。

You don't need her.

说话像个泼妇，莱克斯。

Coming off like a bitch, Lex.

你不想那样做。

You don't wanna do that.

她不会尊重你的。

She's not gonna respect you.

你必须和她分手，才能让她尊重你。

You're gonna have to break up with her just so she respects you.

你为什么不对她下手，莱克斯？

Why don't you murder her, Lex?

是的。

Yeah.

莱克斯，有一种方法可以脱身。

Lex, there's a way to get away with it.

我只是这么说。

I'm just saying.

我在开玩笑呢，伙计。

Joking around, buddy.

我在开玩笑。

Joking around.

下一秒，你就被拖到沼泽里，装进一个该死的尸袋。

Next thing you know, it's talking you in the swamp with a fucking body bag.

你听过那个家伙的故事吗？他上网搜索了所有关于如何处理你的...

Did you hear the story about that guy that googled all this stuff about, like, what to do with your

上帝。

god.

他一直搜到早上九点半。

He googled till, like, 09:30 in the morning.

那个变态家伙。

That sick fuck.

像这样的人，真不知道有多蠢。

Like, how dumb I guess some look.

我们都知道。

We we know.

这是事实。

This is a fact.

我们知道有些人就是他妈的特别蠢。

We know some people are just really fucking dumb.

他们根本看不到未来。

They really can't see the future.

我想知道那家伙是不是也用了什么药物。

I wanna know if that guy was on anything too.

我想知道他有没有服用什么精神类药物。

I wanna know if he was on any kind of psych meds.

你知道吗？

You know?

你能再给我讲一遍这个故事吗？

Can you tell me the story again?

有个家伙杀了他老婆，兄弟，他们找到了他的谷歌搜索记录。

Oh, some guy killed his wife, man, and they they found his Google search.

这太可怕了。

It's horrific.

他搜的是怎么肢解尸体，怎么才能让尸体溶解，要花多长时间。

It's like how to dismember a body, how to how long does it take for a body to dissolve?

真是让人恶心。

It's like, ugh.

是把人剁碎好，还是整具搬走好？

Is it best to cut someone up or move them whole?

他搜索的全是这种最恐怖的内容，整整一夜到早上都在查。

Like, what the he just googled the most horrific, and he did it for, like, the entire night into the morning.

谷歌搜索上会有这种结果吗？

Are is there results for that in a Google search?

把身体部位放进氨水里会怎样？怎么清理木地板上的血迹？肢解和处理尸体的最佳方式是什么？

What happens if you put body parts in ammonia, how to clean blood from a wooden floor, dismemberment and the best ways to dispose of a body?

能从部分遗骸上进行身份鉴定吗？

Can identification be made on partial remains?

DNA能保存多久？

How long does DNA last?

天哪，这太疯狂了，老兄？

Like, what the fuck, man?

尸体多久开始散发臭味？

How long before a body starts to smell?

没有尸体，能以谋杀罪起诉他吗？

Can he be charged with murder without a body?

这人太变态了，简直丧心病狂。

This guy is fucking it's so sick.

这哥们儿整晚都在谷歌上搜索如何完美掩盖谋杀。

So this dude just goes through Google all night long trying to figure out how to get away with murder.

他可能仅仅因为问了这个问题就能脱罪。

Well, he might actually get off on just asking the question.

对吧？

Right?

不行。

No.

不行。

No.

因为他们找到了一把带血的刀。

Because then they found a bloody knife.

是的。

Yeah.

他去了商店。

Like, he went to store.

是的。

Yeah.

他们发现我并没有，

They found I'm not,

像是在反驳。

like, pushing back.

我只是说他可能也会因为

I'm just saying he might also get off on

我不觉得他能脱罪。

I don't think he's getting off at all.

我不觉得他有机会脱罪。

I don't think he has a chance of getting off.

我有很多问题。

I have a lot of questions

关于他们找到了那把刀。

about They found the knife.

人性吧，也许我在这方面太天真了，但我看了《达默》的纪录片。

Human nature after maybe I'm naive in this, but I watched the the Dahmer documentary.

是的。

Yeah.

不是。

No.

不是那部纪录片。

Not the documentary.

那部电影？

The movie?

那部电影。

The movie.

对。

Yeah.

而且纪录片也让你对类似的事情有了非常不同的看法

And then also the documentary is is like it it gives you very different perspectives on what like

你现在是达默的同情者了吗，小子？

Are you a Dahmer sympathizer now, boy?

不是。

No.

不是。

No.

好吧。

Okay.

不是。

No.

但它让你意识到

But like it makes you realize

往那个方向去。

go in that direction.

不。

No.

它让你意识到有些人的大脑是损坏的。

It makes you realize that some people's brain is broken.

是的。

Yes.

对。

Yeah.

我也这么认为。

I think so.

就是这样，没错。

And that's like Yeah.

有些人的大脑可能有点损坏，但他们仍然是社会中的正常成员，但也可能存在极端自恋者、反社会者、心理变态者，你必须明白，这个世界虽然不是充满，但确实有一些魅力十足的心理变态者在四处走动。

And then some people's brain might be a little bit broken, and then there's still functioning members of society, but there might be extreme narcissists, there might be sociopaths, psychopaths, you have to kinda understand that the world is full of potentially not not full of, but has some charming psychopaths walking around.

百分之百。

A 100%.

其中一些人可能在对冲基金之类的地方非常成功。

And some of them are probably like really successful on like hedge funds and shit.

是的。

Yeah.

你知道，有些人就是能随意调动资金，一些公司CEO可能在生产会害死人的产品。

You know, people that can just like move money around and people that are CEO of certain companies that might be making products that kill people.

有意思。

Interesting.

没人。

Nobody.

大量搜索。

Lots of googling.

针对布莱恩·沃尔什的谋杀案。

Murder case against Brian Walsh.

专家说可能很难证明，但我以为他们有刀上有血迹。

Maybe hard to prove, experts say, but I thought they had a knife in the blood.

这是几天前的事。

This was it's a couple days ago.

所以是星期五，猜猜这次通话。

So Friday, guess, this call.

哦，好吧。

Oh, okay.

我读到他们发现了一把带血的刀。

I had read that they found a a bloody knife.

整件事真是太糟了。

Just the the whole thing is so fucked.

但我真的很想知道他是不是用了什么药。

But but I wanna know if he's on something.

我会非常感兴趣，因为有些药物确实能让人放松。

I'd be really fascinated because there's certain drugs that will, like, alleviate.

你根本不会在乎那些事。

You won't you won't worry about shit.

所以也许他根本不在乎去搜索这些东西。

So maybe he's, like, not worrying about, like, googling all this stuff.

哦，一切都会好起来的。

Oh, it's all gonna work out.

你知道，我要杀了她，但一切都会好起来的。

You know, I'm gonna kill her, but it's all gonna work out.

而且他还在不停地搜索。

And he's, like, googling.

或者他可能在吸冰毒。

Or he might be on speed.

你知道的。

You know?

很多人都在吸冰毒，老兄。

A lot of people are on speed, man.

很多人在吃阿得拉。

A lot of people are on Adderall.

这简直太惊人了。

It's fucking stunning.

我们周围有这么多被 hype 起来的人，其实我们正处在一个依赖兴奋剂的文化中，这真是太惊人了。

It's stunning how many, like, hyped up people we have out there are really, like we have a speed culture.

这让你变得非常高效。

It makes you very efficient.

你能把事情搞定。

You get shit done.

你精力充沛，有些人就喜欢这样。

You got plenty of energy, and some people love it.

嗯哼。

Mhmm.

这种文化对我们的社会影响有多大？

And, like, how much is that flavoring our culture?

莱克，要是能摆脱这种东西岂不是很好？

Wouldn't it be nice to get rid of that, Lex?

让我们逐步淘汰它。

Let's phase that out.

所有毒品？

All drugs?

是的。

Yeah.

一般来说。

In general.

心智方面的问题。

Problems with mind.

嗯。

Mhmm.

只能这样理解。

Could figure only.

好吧，你可以那样做，但那需要很多工作。

Well, you could do it that way, but that takes a lot of work.

或者我们可以从一开始就进行基因工程改造。

Or we could just genetically engineer it from the jump.

不再有情绪。

No more emotions.

不再有情绪。

No more emotions.

因为情绪，你知道的，人生就是苦难。

Because emotions, you know, life is suffering.

陀思妥耶夫斯基和尼采认为，最终你拥有的一切美好，最终都会失去。

Dostoevsky and Nietzsche, ultimately, you're going to every good thing you have, eventually going to lose.

你与所爱之人每一次相遇，最终都会变成告别。

Every hello with the person you love is eventually going to be a goodbye.

那为什么要说再见呢？

Why say hello ever?

那为什么要再说一次你好呢？

Why say hello ever again?

还有，为什么呢？

Also, why?

为什么非得这样呢？

Why does it have to be like that?

我们的脑海中有一种观念，认为我们现在的生存方式之所以如此，是因为它带给我们情感，制造了困境、解决方案、冲突与和解。

Like, we have this idea in our head that this way we live is like ultimately because to us, it provides emotions and because it it it creates dilemmas and solutions and conflict and resolution.

我们在与他人互动时，脑海中始终有大量思绪涌动，以至于我们觉得这种体验对存在至关重要。

There's so much going on in our minds all the time when it comes to interacting with each other that we feel we feel like it's imperative for existence.

但为什么呢？

But why?

只是因为我们只知道这种方式。

It's just because it's the only way we've known.

你知道的。

You know?

我们所有人都必须经历痛苦才能……但为什么非得经历痛苦才能获得幸福呢？

We all you have to suffer in order but but why do you have to suffer in order to be happy?

如果你只是快乐，难道不好吗？

Wouldn't it be better if you're just happy?

我们真的非得受苦不可吗？

Like like, do we really fucking need to suffer?

这不能被设计消除掉吗？

Couldn't that be engineered out?

现在，这话出自一个故意一直让自己受苦以便保持快乐的人，而且确实有效。

Now this is coming from a person who purposely suffers all the time so that I could stay happy, and it does work.

但天啊，我非得这样才行吗？

But God, do I have to do it that way?

好吧，我们有一个了不起的计算机器，叫做进化，它造就了人类。

Well, there's an incredible computation machine we call evolution that has constructed human beings.

你想干涉它吗？

You wanna mess with that?

你想让一群来自旧金山的软件工程师来干预吗？是的。

You you wanna get a bunch of you wanna get a few software engineers from San Francisco to mess Yes.

就是这套演化的运算系统，也就是地球这套系统。

With the computation system that is evolution, that is earth.

对。

Yes.

这台巨型计算机耗费了数十亿年的时间，在物种演进到更复杂的阶段之前，光花在研究细菌上的时间就有十亿年，一路摸爬滚打才有了今天，之后又走完了所有这些不可思议的发展阶段。

This giant computer that for billions of years spent a billion years on bacteria trying to figure shit out before it advanced, and now went through all of these incredible stages.

我们称之为地球生命的这一整套生态系统，搞不好还是外星人播种到这里来的呢。

This entire ecosystem that we call life on earth probably planted here by aliens.

就是说啊，而且最近这群猴子还变得超级聪明，现在我们居然要彻底改变一切了。

That and and recently these monkeys started to get super clever and now we're going to completely change everything.

对。

Yes.

你知道为什么吗？

You know why?

为什么呢？

Why?