#2259 - 托马斯·坎贝尔

他尽可能地去测量，你知道，他说大概是四赫兹，也就是每秒四次跳动。

And he measured it as best he could, you know, and he said it was around four hertz, four four beats a second.

他会感觉到这个，就像感觉到身体在脉动一样。

And he'd feel this as he'd feel his body pulsating.

他会感觉到他的意识，你知道，也在脉动。

He'd feel his mind, you know, kinda pulsating.

当他进入那种脉动状态时，他就会直接滚出去，然后发现自己灵魂出窍了。

And when he got that pulsation state, he would just roll out, and he'd find himself out of body.

他把这写进了书里，现在有大概五十万人躺在床上，你知道，就这样试着滚出去。

And he wrote that in his books, and now there's, like, you know, half a million people lying in their beds, you know, going like this, trying to roll out.

但那只是鲍勃对他自己过程的比喻。

But that was Bob's metaphor for his process.

对。

Right.

其实有各种各样的方法，但所有这些方法都只是工具而已。

And there's all sorts of processes, but all these prod processes are just nothing but tools.

其实没有什么过程。

There isn't any process.

所有发生的事都发生在这里。

Everything that's going on is going on in here.

这跟你是否滚出去、爬绳子还是做别的都没关系。

It doesn't have anything to do with whether you roll out or climb up a rope or do anything else.

那只是你用来让大脑进入所需状态的一个工具。

It's it that's that's a tool that you use to try to get your mind in the place it needs to be.

它并不是什么根本性的或者真正有效的东西。

It's not really a tool that is fundamental or that works.

那你会怎么描述它呢？

What would you describe it as?

比如，你想触及的是什么？

Like, what are you trying to access?

比如，当你做这个的时候，当你试图达到这种状态时，你有多清醒，你在想什么？

Like, when when you're doing this, when you're trying to achieve this state, how consciously, what are you thinking?

你要达到的状态，就是鲍勃说的，你睡着了但完全清醒。

What you're trying to to, access is what Bob called, you are asleep but wide awake.

你知道，同时处于睡眠和清醒状态。

You know, asleep and awake at the same time.

所以你的身体进入睡眠，但你的头脑保持清醒。

So your body goes to sleep, but your mind remains awake.

你不再和你的身体在一起。

And you are no longer collocated with your body.

你在别的地方。

You're somewhere else.

这就是那种状态。

So that's the state.

不管你是谁。

Whatever you is.

不管你现在是谁。

Whatever you is right now.

对。

Yeah.

他创造了“出体”这个词。

Now he coined the word out of body.

在那之前，它被称为星体投射，还有其他几个术语。

Before that, it was called astral projection and a couple of other terms.

但他创造了“出体”这个词，这很不幸，因为这让人们以为你以某种方式在你的身体里，你知道，灵魂或者有很多不同的名字，然后它从你的身体里出来，然后去体验，但根本不是这样的过程。

But he coined the word out of body, and that's unfortunate because it makes people think that you are somehow inside your body, you know, the soul or the the there's lots of different names for it, but and that somehow comes out of your body and then goes experience, but that's not the process at all.

那不是实际发生的。

That's not what's going on.

但实际过程是什么呢？

But he What is the process?

这个过程完全是意识层面的。

The process is entirely consciousness.

实际上你只是把你的意识切换到另一个数据流。

And what happens is you just shift your mind to a different data stream.

换句话说，我们的现实——嗯，也许我得从头开始讲。

In other words, our reality well, maybe I gotta start in the beginning.

直接说重点的话，没人会明白。

Go right to the bottom line, and nobody will understand it.

他们会觉得有点奇怪，但我们可以之后再补充细节。

And they'll think it's a little weird, but we can backfill later.

当然。

Sure.

那就是我们生活在一个虚拟现实中。

And that is that we live in a virtual reality.

这个物理现实是计算出来的。

This physical reality is computed.

它是由意识计算的。

Now it's being computed by consciousness.

意识在我们每个人身上是个体的，但同时也存在一个意识系统，我们只是那个系统的一部分。

Consciousness is individual in us, but it's also there's a system of consciousness, and we're just a piece of that system.

好。

K?

所以想想这意味着什么。

So think of what that means.

如果虚拟现实有一些非常基本的属性。

If virtual reality has some very fundamental attributes.

第一，有一个计算机。

One, there's a computer.

第二，有一个玩家。

Two, there's a player.

第三，计算机计算出一个虚拟空间，让玩家看到发生了什么，以及谁在和谁互动。

Three, the computer computes some virtual space that allows the players to see what's going on and who's interacting with who.

所以虚拟现实实际上并不存在。

So the the virtual reality actually doesn't exist.

它只是计算机为玩家生成的视觉画面，让玩家知道每个人在场地上的位置以及他们在做什么。

It's just computer generated eye candy for the players so that the players know where everybody is on the field and and what they're doing.

所以，你在这里，你不是人类。

So here you are, and you are not a human.

那是一个化身。

That's an avatar.

你是一段意识。

You are a piece of consciousness.

你是一段意识，是源头的碎片。

You're a piece of consciousness that's a chip off the old block.

你是一个子集。

You're a subset.

用计算机的话说，你是一个虚拟机，运行在一个更大的机器里。

Computer talk, you're a, what you call it, a virtual machine inside a larger machine.

你知道，这挺常见的。

You know, that's kinda standard stuff.

大型主机就是这样支持上千个用户的。

That's how a big mainframe can have a thousand users.

你会得到一千个虚拟机。

You get a thousand virtual machines.

所以每个人都有自己的内存，每个人都有自己的处理能力，等等。

So everybody has their memory, everybody has their processing, and so on.

所以，总之，这就是你的本质。

So, anyway, that's what you are.

你是这个更大系统的一个子集。

You're a subset of this larger system.

而且我可以把这一切，尽管现在听起来很奇怪，我可以把所有这些逻辑和科学都实现出来。

And I can make all of this, as weird as it sounds now, I can make all of this logic and science.

这不是空口说白话。

This is not hand waving.

这不是猜测。

This is not conjecture.

这就是它的运作方式。

This is the way it works.

而且我非常严谨地做了科学研究，我们也可以讨论这个。

And I have done the science very meticulously and we can discuss that too.

但事实就是这样运作的。

But this is the way it works.

这是科学界在过去一百年里一直在寻找的重大范式转变，自从量子力学诞生以来，大家都意识到，其实他们并没有真正理解这个世界。

And this is the big paradigm shift that the sciences have been looking for for the last hundred years since quantum mechanics was started and everybody realized that, you know, they didn't really understand the world after all.

所以，总之

So anyway

所以你是一块意识。

So you are a piece of consciousness.

是的。

Yes.

你是这个更大意识系统的一个子集。

You're a subset of this larger consciousness system.

所以你正在接收数据流。

So You're getting a data stream.

那个数据流，你就是玩家。

That data stream, you're the player.

数据流定义了你的现实。

The data stream defines your reality.

就像玩魔兽世界时，你会收到数据流。

Just like if you're playing World of Warcraft, you get a data stream.

那个数据流会显示成屏幕上的百万像素。

That data stream is displayed as a million pixels on your screen.

你看着那些像素，看到河流、小溪、人和房子。

And you look at those pixels, and you see rivers and streams and people and houses.

然后，你把这些数据转化为物理现实。

And, you know, you turn that data into physical reality.

我们也是这样。

And that's the way it is with us.

我们正在接收数据流。

We're getting a data stream.

出体时，你只是切换到了另一个数据流。

Out of body, you just shift to a different data stream.

还有其他事情在发生。

There's other things going on.

别处还有《模拟人生》在运行。

There's The Sims playing someplace else.

你切换到另一个数据流，突然就不再是《魔兽世界》的现实了。

You shift to a data stream, and now suddenly you're not in a World of Warcraft reality anymore.

你进入了《模拟人生》的现实。

You're in a Sims reality.

所以，真正的出体就是这样。

So that's how you really go out of body.

这完全是精神层面的。

It's entirely mental.

跟身体无关，纯粹是意识。

Has nothing to do it's it's just consciousness.

原来所有超自然现象，比如灵魂出窍，都是通过你的直觉思维发生的，而不是理性思维。

It turns out all things paranormal, like out of body is a paranormal thing, all things paranormal happen with the intuitive side of your mind, not the intellectual side.

而且，尽管很多人试图从理性思维的角度去达到那个状态，他们都失败了。

And as much as people try to get there from the intellectual side, they fail.

他们做不到。

They can't do that.

你的意识有两种不同的信息处理方式。

You have consciousness as two different ways of processing information.

一种是逻辑性的。

One is logically.

那是理性思维。

That's the intellectual side.

另一种是直觉性的。

And the other is intuitively.

明白吗？

K?

那是直觉的一面。

That's intuitive side.

所以你有这两条路径。

So you have these two pathways.

在我们的文化中，我们注重智力方面、逻辑方面，并不断磨练它。

Now in our culture, we work on that intellectual side, that logic side, and we hone that.

你知道，我们从幼儿园开始学习东西，一直学上去，我们学习并磨练它。

You know, we start learning things in kindergarten and up, and we learn that, and we hone it.

我们变得擅长这个。

We get good at it.

我们上学。

We go to school.

我们读研究生。

We go to graduate school.

而直觉方面，你知道，科学告诉你它甚至不存在。

The intuitive side, you know, science tells you it doesn't even exist.

是我们没有去训练它。

It's we don't work at it.

但如果你真的去训练它，投入大量的精力和时间在直觉这一块，你会发现它和理性思维一样可靠、一样准确，只不过它们之间有一个很大的区别。

But if you do work at it, if you put serious energy over a serious amount of time into that intuitive side, you find out that it's just as reliable, just as accurate as the intellectual side, except there's a big difference between them.

在理性思维这边，你有逻辑。

On the intellectual side, you've got logic.

但逻辑需要数据。

But logic needs data.

如果你要用演绎逻辑，你得有数据输入进去，才能看出什么是符合逻辑的。

If you're gonna use, you know, deductive logic, you've got to have data to plug in in order to see what's logical.

而大多数时候，我们并没有这些数据。

And most of the time, we don't have the data.

那些我们真正关心的重要问题，比如，我该娶莎莉还是该娶苏？

The questions and the things we wanna know that are really important, like, should I marry Sally or should I marry Sue?

没有数据能让你得出一个逻辑上的结论。

There's no data that you can put in to come to a logical conclusion.

只有最琐碎的事情，你才有足够的数据。

And only the most trivial things do you have enough data.

比如，我的车钥匙在哪儿？

You know, where are my car keys?

我上次在哪儿？

Where was I last?

我什么时候下的车？

You know, when did I get out of the car?

我穿的是哪件夹克？

What jacket was I wearing?

我穿的是哪条裤子？

What pants was I wearing?

然后去检查口袋。

You know, to go check the pockets.

然后我去了哪里？

Then where did I go?

逻辑能帮你，因为这是个简单的问题。

And logic can help you out because it's a simple problem.

但如果问题不那么简单，逻辑就有局限，因为你没有数据。

But if it's not so simple a problem, logic has its limitations because you don't have the data.

在直觉方面，这完全超越逻辑。

On the intuitive side, it's totally beyond logic.

没有逻辑可言。

There is no logic.

你就是知道。

You just know.

它就是发生了。

It just happens.

信息自己找上门来。

The information comes to you.

这是直觉。

It's intuitive.

而在那一方面，就像智力方面一样，需要大量的练习和努力，才能磨练它、培养它并理解它。

And on that side, it takes, just like the intellectual side, a lot of practice and a lot of work in order to hone that and educate it and understand it.

但当你做到时，你就会获得信息。

But when you do, you get information.

你面前有可用的信息。

There is information available to you.

外面有一个数据库，而这个数据库是必需的。

There's a database out there, and that database is is required.

它存在的原因是因为渲染需要它。

The reason it's there is because it's required for the rendering.

你知道，愉悦意识系统会配置自己的一部分来充当计算机，而那台计算机为了计算这个现实，需要信息和数据。

You know, you have a the pleasure conscious system configures a piece of itself to be the computer, And that computer, in order to compute this reality, needs information, needs data.

所以它创建了一个数据库，从中获取信息并帮助它创造。

So it creates a database from which it takes information and helps it create.

所以渲染引擎需要那个，但你实际上是一块意识。

So the rendering engine needs that, but you are really a piece of consciousness.

这些信息存在于意识系统中。

That information is in the consciousness system.

你就是其中的一部分。

You're a piece of that.

所以你可以访问它。

So you have access to it.

印度教徒称之为阿卡西记录。

The Hindus called that the Akashic records.

是的。

Yes.

对。

Yeah.

他们就是这么叫的。

That's what they called it.

但每个学会控制和运用直觉的人都知道，你可以获取信息，信息会来到你身边。

But everybody has who has learned how to control and work with their intuitive side knows is that you can get information comes to you.

有时候是预知性的，来自未来的可能数据库。

Sometimes it's precognitive that comes from the future probable database.

有时候是历史性的。

Sometimes it's historical.

有时候是各种数据。

Sometimes it's all kinds of data.

所以出体就是切换到不同的数据流。

So out of body is you just switch to a different data stream.

现在你处于一个不同的，我称之为现实框架的东西里。

Now you're in a different, what I call, reality frame.

所以就是这样。

So that's what that is.

超自然现象，所有这些都只是意识运作的方式。

The paranormal, all of those things are just the way consciousness works.

关于意识，有几点要说明。

There's a few things about consciousness.

关于意识有几个事实。

A few facts of consular.

第一，所有意识都是相互连接的。

One, all consciousness are netted.

所以你可以与任何其他意识互动，包括你的狗、猫或其他人，并且可以交换信息。

So you can interact with any other consciousness, and that includes your dog or your cat or other people, and you can trade information.

人类一直在这样做，但他们没有意识到。

And humans do that all the time, but they're not aware of it.

你知道吗，你有没有遇到过一个人，你就是喜欢他或者就是不喜欢他？

They're you know, you ever meet somebody and you you just like them or you just don't like them?

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

那就是你们交换了一些信息。

That's you've traded some information there.

很多事情都是人们凭直觉感知的。

There's a lot of things that come to people intuitively.

大多数最好的艺术和文学作品都来自那种直觉通道，艺术家们学会了在那个直觉通道中创作。

Most of the best art and the best writing all comes out of that intuitive channel where the artist has learned to work in that intuitive channel.

他们称之为“下载”。

It gets downloads, they call it.

你知道吗？

You know?

这又是一个计算机比喻。

Again, a computer metaphor.

所以这种直觉是存在的，但很少有人真正培养出足够可靠的直觉。

So that exists, and very few people really learn to develop that intuitive side to the point that it is really reliable.

艺术家们做到了，但仅限于他们能创作艺术或写作的范围内，作家们也只是在获得关于情节、故事和人物的灵感时才能做到。

Artists do, but only in them as much as they can do their art or writers, only in so much as they get downloads about the plot and the story and the characters.

是的。

Yeah.

不过，其实还有很多别的事情。

So there's a lot of things, though.

比如，你知道的，遥视、用意念疗愈这些。

The, you know, the the remote viewing, the healing with your mind.

不。

No.

那些可不是从数据库里调出来的数据。

That's that's not data out of a database.

系统还有另一个特性。

There's a there's another attribute of the system.

这有点像我们用来评估自己表现的一种反馈，也就是说，在这个数据库里，事情都是以概率的形式存在的。

It's kind of our feedback for us to see how we're doing, and that is that in this in this database, things are things are in terms of probability.

就是事情发生的概率。

Probabilities that thing will happen.

有哪些可能性，以及这些可能性各自的概率是多少？

What's the probab what are what are the possibilities and all the probabilities of those possibilities?

好。

K.

数据库就是这样构建的。

That's how the database is constructed.

而且它是关于未来的。

And it's constructed about the future.

明白吗？

Okay?

在接下来的10的负44次方秒内，有哪些可能性？每种可能性的概率是多少？

In the next ten to the minus forty four seconds, what are the possibilities and what are the probabilities of each possibility?

系统的工作方式是，它从这些可能性的概率分布中随机抽取一个，那就是接下来会发生的事情。

And the way the system works is that it takes a random draw from that probability distribution of the possibilities, and that's what happens next.

明白吗？

K?

理解这一点，你就能理解量子物理学及其运作方式，也能明白那种说法——概率分布坍缩成一个物理粒子——是多么荒谬，那根本说不通。

That understanding that lets you understand quantum physics and how it works and lets you understand that the silly thing about, oh, the probability distribution collapses to a physical particle is that doesn't make any sense.

概率分布是数学。

Probability distribution is mathematics.

它在某处的计算机里运行。

It's running in a computer someplace.

计算机里运行的数学怎么会坍缩成一个物理粒子呢？

How does mathematics running in a computer collapse to a physical particle?

这说不通。

It makes no sense.

根本不是那么回事。

That's not what's happening at all.

实际上，现实是由这些随机……不，

What's happening is that reality is created by these ran no.

我说随机抽取，不是从可能性里抽，而是从可能性的概率分布里抽。

When I say a random draw, it's not a random draw from the possibilities but from the probability distribution of the possibilities.

也就是说，更可能发生的事情被抽中的概率更高。

That means the things that are more likely have a higher probability of coming out.

那些百万分之一概率的事情，被抽中的概率非常低，但有时确实会被抽中。

The things that are one in a million have a very low probability of being drawn, but sometimes they are drawn.

百万分之一的事情偶尔会发生，因为有时候它们确实会被抽中。

Things happen one in a million now and again because sometimes they get drawn.

举个例子。

Here's an example.

科学家拿到一台更好的望远镜，打算观测更远的太空区域。

Scientist, gets a better telescope and he's gonna look into a piece of space farther out.

那片区域以前没人观测过，所以没人知道那里有什么。

Nobody's ever looked into that space before, so nobody knows what's there.

所以那是个未知数。

So it's an unknown.

对吧？

K?

于是人类就进行了我们科学上所说的测量。

So now humans do what we call in science take a measurement.

所以他有了这个新设备。

So he's got this new device.

他用望远镜观察这片天空，这就是在进行测量。

He looks up at this piece of sky with his telescope, and that's taking the measurement.

当他进行测量时，会从所有可能性的概率分布中随机抽取一个结果。

When he takes the measurement, a random draw is taken from the probability distribution of all the possibilities.

明白吗？

K?

而且外太空可能有很多种情况。

And there's lots of possibilities what might be in outer space.

比如说，可能是上千种情况中的一种。

It could be one of, say, you know, thousand things.

但有一个限制。

But one, there's a constraint.

不可能是不符合的情况。

It can't be something that doesn't fit.

它不能是我们已经知道的东西里没有的。

It can't be something that's that's cockeyed with what we already know.

你明白吗？

You know?

它得大致符合历史背景。

It has to kinda fit in to historical background.

所以这是一个限制条件。

So that's one constraint.

但所有符合条件的东西仍然很多。

But all the things that would fit in are still a large number.

然后随机抽取就进行了。

So then the random draw is taken.

那就是他看到的。

That's what he sees.

那就是他得到的图像。

That's the picture he gets.

这就是他数据流中的内容，定义了他的现实。

That's what's in his data stream that's defining his reality.

明白吗？

K?

现在他停了下来。

Now he stops.

他说，太好了。

He says, great.

拍了那张照片。

Took that picture.

太棒了。

It's wonderful.

我要把它发表出来。

I'm gonna publish that.

好。

K.

现在当他这么做的时候，这件事就为人所知了，任何其他能看到那里的人都会看到同样的东西。

Now when he does, that's known now, and anybody else who can look there will see the same thing.

这已经成为我们虚拟现实的一部分了。

That's become part of our virtual reality.

它进入了虚拟现实，因为，你知道，事物就是这样来到这里的。

It's come into the virtual reality because, you know, that's how that's how things come here.

一个更简单的比喻或解释就是，你挖一个洞。

And a simpler metaphor or a simpler explanation would be you dig a hole.

你带着铲子去后院挖一个洞。

You go to your backyard with a shovel and you dig a hole.

里面会有什么呢？

What's gonna be in there?

嗯，如果你住在墨西哥湾沿岸，可能会挖到一枚金币。

Well, you live near the Gulf Coast, could be a gold doubloon.

你可能会挖到恐龙骨头。

You might get a dinosaur bone.

你可能会挖到一块石头。

You might get a rock.

你可能会挖到泥土或树根。

You might get dirt or roots.

你挖开那些泥土，没人知道里面有什么。

And you dig that dirt, nobody knows what's in it.

随机抽取，概率分布，那就是泥土里的东西。

Random draw, probability distribution, that's what's in the dirt.

嗯，概率最高的就是泥土、石头和树根。

Well, the highest probability is just gonna be dirt and rocks and roots.

但也有一些概率，也许是十万分之一、百万分之一或千万分之一，如果你在墨西哥湾沿岸，那里西班牙人经常探索，可能会挖到金币。

But there's some probability, maybe one in a 100,000 or one in a million or one in 10,000,000 that it's that gold doubloon if you're down near the Gulf Coast where the Spaniards spend a lot of time exploring.

所以如果那次随机抽取正好抽中了，那金币就在那里。

So if that happens to come out of that random draw, then there's the gold doubloon there.

所以你看，我们的现实并不是人们想的那样。

So you see, our reality is not what people think.

我是通过一条非常曲折的路径走到这一步的。

And I got there through a very circuitous path.

我通过理解、学习和研究意识，基本上就是超自然现象，以及研究非物质领域，才走到这一步。

I got there through understanding and learning and doing research in consciousness, basically paranormal things, and did research in the nonphysical.

我能出体，做一些有证据的超自然事情，比如遥视就有证据。

I get out of body, and I do things, paranormal things that had evidence, like remote viewing has evidence.

你要么做对了，要么做错了。

You either got it right or you get it wrong.

然后我会改变一个变量，再试一次。

And I would then change a variable and do it again.

改变一个变量，再试一次。

Change a variable and do it again.

而且我能非常精确地回到同样的状态，因为我做过几百次了。

And I could get back in the same state very precisely because I'd done it hundreds of times.

最终，通过一次只改变一个变量，我弄明白了它是怎么运作的，以及为什么运作。

And eventually, by varying one variable at a time, I figured out how it worked and why it worked.

其中有一些关键点。

And there are a few things that, are key to it.

比如，意识是根本。

Like, one is that consciousness is what's fundamental.

根本的东西就是意识。

That's the fundamental thing is consciousness.

其他一切都是它的子集。

Everything else is a subset of that.

其他一切都源于它。

Everything else is derived from that.

这个想法可以追溯到柏拉图的洞穴比喻，你知道的。

Now that goes back that idea goes all the way back to Plato with this, you know, analogy of, you know, people in a cave.

他们只看到墙上的影子。

And all they were aware of was the shadows on the wall.

你可能熟悉这个比喻。

You're probably familiar with that.

每个人都是。

Every everybody is.

这些人被称为唯心主义者。

And those people were called idealists.

唯心主义者认为物理世界并不是根本的东西。

Idealists believe that there's the physical world isn't really the the fundamental thing.

背后还有某种东西，看不见，我们意识不到的。

There's something behind that, something, invisible, something we can't see that we're not aware of.

物理世界只是我们与之互动的东西，但它不是真实的，不是真正的东西。

And the physical world is just the kind of the, thing we interact with, but it's not the real it's not the real thing.

真正的东西在它背后。

The real thing's behind it.

唯心主义者。

Idealists.

结果他们是对的。

So they turned out to be correct.

没错。

That is right.

但是唯心主义者卡住了。

But the idealist got stuck.

如果你现在跟唯心主义者聊，你会发现他们卡住的地方是，嗯，他们大多数人现在认为意识就是那个外在的东西。

And if you talk to idealists now, you'll see what they're stuck on is that, well, if and that most of them at this point think that consciousness is that thing that's out there.

他们说，如果意识是根本的，那你就得能从它推导出物理学。

And they say, well, if consciousness is fundamental, then you need to be able to derive physics from it.

那你能做到吗？

So can you do that?

他们说，不能。

And they say, well, no.

他们做不到。

They can't.

但我能，而且我已经做到了。

But I can, and I did.

我能推导出物理学。

I can derive physics.

我能推导出量子物理学。

I can derive quantum physics.

所以我知道量子物理学是怎么回事，它根本不是什么怪异的科学。

So I know how quantum physics works, and it's not weird science at all.

它是一门逻辑科学，就像其他所有科学分支一样。

It's a it's a logical science just like all the rest of the branches of science.

一旦你理解了它，那些神秘之处就都迎刃而解了。

Once you understand it, all those mysteries just fall out.

健身不仅仅关乎你在健身房里的锻炼。

Fitness isn't just about what you do in the gym.

它还关乎你的营养。

It's also about your nutrition.

但即使饮食再好，有些营养素也可能难以获取，而AG1可以帮助填补这些缺口。

But even with the best diet, some nutrients can be hard to get, and AG1 can help fill those gaps.

AG1提供最佳剂量的营养素，其形式有助于你的身体发挥最佳状态。

AG1 delivers optimal amounts of nutrients in forms that help your body perform.

AG1让基础营养变得简单，因为你不必追踪无数种不同的药片和胶囊。

AG1 makes foundational nutrition easy because there aren't a million different pills and capsules you have to keep track of.

只需一勺，混入水中即可。

It's just one scoop mixed in water.

早晨保持这个习惯非常容易。

It's such an easy routine to keep in the mornings.

AG1中的成分经过精心挑选，注重吸收、营养密度和效力，并特意与整个配方协同作用，以达到最佳效果。

Ingredients in AG1 are selected for absorption, nutrient density, and potency, and are intentionally picked to work in sync with the whole formula for optimal impact.

他们非常注重品质。

They're seriously committed to quality.

AG1经过数百种污染物和杂质的检测，并且他们不断调整配方，使其更加完善。

AG1 is tested for hundreds of contaminants and impurities, and they're constantly reformulating their recipe to dial it in.

这也是我多年来一直与AG1合作的原因之一。

This is all part of why I've partnered with AG1 for years.

所以，这个假期就赶紧开始用AG1吧，首次购买就能免费获得一瓶维生素D3、K2，还有五包AG1旅行装，去drinkag1.com/joerogan下单就行。

So get started with AG1 this holiday season and get a free bottle of vitamin D3, K2, and five free AG1 travel packs with your first purchase at drinkag1.com/joerogan.

只要去drinkag1.com/joerogan，就能免费拿到价值76美元的赠品。

That's a $76 value gift for free if you go to drinkag1.com/joerogan.

真的，赶紧行动起来。

Seriously, get on this.

我想回到那个话题，但我想跟你聊聊直觉。

I'd like to get back to that, but I wanna talk to you about intuition.

好的。

Okay.

直觉这东西，有些人就是不太擅长。

Intuition is something that some people struggle with.

你有没有发现，有些人的性格或者看待世界的方式，会存在一些心理障碍，导致他们没法正确理解直觉？

Have you determined any psychological barriers that exist that might be a part of some people's personality or some people's way of viewing the world that inhibits them from correctly interpreting intuition?

当然有。

Absolutely.

有很多东西会阻碍人们使用直觉这一信息流。

There's a lot of things that inhibit using the intuitive data stream.

这个信息流对每个人都是开放的。

The data stream is available to everybody.

你知道，每个人都可以培养这种能力。

You know, everybody can develop it.

但是为什么像你这样的人，几乎一下子就成功了？

But why why are some people like yourself, like, instantaneously almost successful with it?

而其他人呢，

Whereas other people,

一辈子都在挣扎。

their whole life, they struggle.

我嘛，我其实不太想说这个，因为听起来有点自夸。

I was I was well, I hate to say this because it sounds kinda, you know, tooting my own horn.

但你说吧。

But Go ahead.

说吧。

Do it.

对。

Yeah.

我来到这里是有目的的。

I came here for a purpose.

明白吗？

Okay?

学习和说出我所说的这些，提供这些信息，就是其中的目的之一。

And learning and saying these thing saying the things I'm saying, offering up this information is one of those purposes.

所以，你

So You

是说你来这里，来到这个世上？

mean you came here into this existence?

我来到这个世上就是为了这个目的。

I came here into this existence for that purpose.

所以我其实已经来过好几次了。

So it's I've been around a few times.

在最近这几辈子里，我一直在为这个任务做准备。

And over the last couple of my lifetimes, I was preparing for this assignment.

然后当它到来的时候，这就是为什么我第一次坐下来冥想时，我就消失了。

And then when it came, that's why when I sat down and meditated for the first time, I was gone.

所以你觉得你有很多辈子都在走这条路？

So you think you've had many lives where you've been on this path?

现在是的。

Now yes.

而且，我会回到那些问题是什么的问题上，但是的。

And, I'll get back to the question of what those problems are, but yes.

而且我并不是因为那个才这么说的，我称之为经验包，因为我不喜欢用和宗教有关的词。

And I don't come to that since I call it, experience packets because I don't like to use words that are attached to religion.

我不称之为转世。

I don't call it incarnation.

这是一个体验包。

It's an experience packet.

总之，我得出这个结论，不是因为听起来好听，或者我喜欢它，或者佛陀也同意。

Anyway, I don't come to that conclusion because it sounded good or I liked it or the Buddha agreed with it.

我得出这个结论，是因为我有一个逻辑严密的科学现实模型，而人活多世是这个模型中的一个逻辑部分。

I come to that conclusion because I have this logical scientific model of reality and that you live multiple lives is a logical piece of that.

怎么说？

How so?

嗯，这要回到我们为什么在这里的目的。

Well, it goes back to the to the purpose of why we're here.

所以我们有点跳来跳去，但也许我们会把所有东西都串起来。

So we're kinda jumping around a lot, but, maybe we'll get it all pulled together.

有一个目的。

There is a purpose.

我们为什么在这里？

Why we're here?

为什么会有独立的意识单元，这是有目的的。

Why there's individual individuated units of conscious has a has a purpose.

这一切都必须这样发生。

All of this has to have happened that way.

我对现实的这个模型是一个逻辑模型。

This model of reality that I have is a logical model.

而且这个逻辑模型不是说这些事情可能发生，而是说它们必须发生。

And it's not a logical model in the sense that these things could happen, but these things must happen.

你可以把逻辑简化。

You can reduce the logic down.

只有一条路真正行得通。

There's only one path that really works.

那条路让我们来到这里，是为了一个目的和理由。

And that path leads us to be here for a purpose and a reason.

而那需要我们……他们当时想说什么来着？

And that that requires us to where were they going with that?

这要求我们做出选择，而这些选择决定了我们和整个系统是进化还是退化。

That that requires us to make choices, and those choices depend whether or not we and the system evolves or devolves.

这是更大运作过程的一部分。

It's a part of this larger process of how how things work.

好的。

Okay.

你刚才问的问题是什么来着？

What was your what was that past question?

嗯，我们是从直觉开始的。

Well, we started off with intuition.

有哪些心理障碍会阻止人们正确识别直觉？

What are the psychological barriers that keep people from recognizing intuition correctly?

对。

Right.

是的。

Yeah.

对，我们后来跳到别的话题了，但咱们还是聊聊这个吧。

Well, yeah, we then we pop to something else to something else, but let's talk about that.

我们回到那个话题。

Let's go back to that.

好的。

Okay.

我们文化里一个主要的东西——我说我们文化，是因为有些其他文化对直觉连接的障碍没那么多。

One of the main things in our culture now I say our culture because there's other cultures that don't have as many barriers to intuitive connections.

我们的文化最看重智力。

Our culture values the intellect above all things.

如果你想在这个世界上成功，你需要学会磨练你的智力。

If you wanna be successful in the world, you need to learn to hone that intellect.

你需要说话得体。

You need to speak properly.

你需要理解事物。

You need to understand things.

你得读书。

You need to read books.

你得学习。

You need to to learn.

不管是在学校里学，还是自己学，都没关系，但你得学。

Now whether you do that in a in a school or whether you do that on your own, doesn't matter, but you need you need to learn.

我们重视这个。

We value it.

我们现在对直觉这一面不太理解，也不太重视。

We don't really understand or therefore value the intuitive side very much right now.

这说明我们失衡了。

That means we're out of balance.

我们有两种不同的处理方式，而我们的理性面已经发展得很好了。

We've got these two different ways of processing, and our intellectual side is developed.

我们的直觉面，可能两岁的时候比现在还要强。

Our intuitive side is was probably better when we were two years old than it is now.

对吧？

K?

所以它已经萎缩了。

So it's atrophied.

它基本上就闲置在那里，没怎么用。

It's just sitting there basically unused.

这种不平衡导致理智的一面占主导，实际上有点像欺负人的角色。

Now this unbalance causes that intellectual side to be dominant, actually kind of plays the role of the bully.

它占主导地位。

It's dominant.

当你开始做直觉方面的事情时，理智会跳到前面来。

When you start doing things on the intuitive side, that intellect jumps in front.

比如说，你想和你死去的弗雷德叔叔说话。

So let's say you wanna talk to your dead uncle Fred.

于是你闭上眼睛。

So you close your eyes.

你进入冥想状态，然后你说，弗雷德叔叔，你在吗？

You get in a meditation state, and you go, uncle Fred, are you out there?

然后你听到一声，是的。

And you hear a, yeah.

我在这里。

I'm here.

理智立刻插进来，说，那是什么？

Intellect jumps in and says, what was that?

那是我自己编的吗？

Did I just make that up?

那是我想象出来的，还是真实的？

Was that in my imagination, or was that real?

好吧，理智插了进来，进行分析，试图做出判断，而直觉过程已经消失了。

Well, the intellect's butted in, doing analysis, trying to make judgments, and the int the intuitive process is gone.

它打断了它。

It breaks it.

所以这是最大的问题之一，因为我们在西方文化中太失衡了。

So that's one of the biggest things because we're so out of balance in our Western culture.

西方文化。

Western culture.

现在西方文化遍布全世界。

Western culture is all over the world now.

它是一种世界文化。

It's a world culture.

它是制造业、商业等等之类的文化。

It's the culture of manufacturing and and business and that sort of thing.

所以，总之，这就是为什么阻止人们去那里的最大障碍是他们的理智。

So, anyway, that's why that's the biggest thing that keeps people from going there is their intellect.

他们必须克服理智总是插进来的问题。

They have to work through that intellect always butting in to it.

现在另一件事是，比如说，而且这都和理智有关。

Now another thing is, let's say and it it's all tied to the intellect.

另一个大问题是那些想学这个的人。

Another big problem is people who want to learn this.

我真的很想学这个。

I really like to learn this.

我想亲身体验一下。

I wanna experience it firsthand.

他们有强烈的愿望，想要出体，或者能够疗愈，或者进行遥视。

They have a a desire, a strong desire to go out of body or to be able to heal or remote view.

我想做到。

I wanna do it.

好的。

Alright.

所以他们闭上眼睛，进入冥想状态，心里想，哦，我想做这个。

So they close their eyes, and they get in their meditation state, they think, oh, I wanna do this.

我想做这个。

I wanna do this.

他们永远做不到，因为他们的理智一直在催促他们去做。

They'll never do it because their intellect is in the process of wanting them to do it.

这是他们的需求。

It's a need they have.

所以如果你太努力，反而会阻碍它。

So if they if you try too hard, you prohibit it.

如果你真的非常想做，以至于它对你很重要，你反而会抑制它。

If you really wanna do it to a point that it's important to you, you inhibit it.

最成功的人是那些进来后，我也不知道，

The people who are most successful are the people who come in and I don't know.

可能是真的，

It could be true.

也可能是假的，

It could be false.

其他人只是走个过场，看看会发生什么。

Others go through the motions and see what happens.

他们很放松。

They're relaxed.

他们很开放。

They're open.

而且，你知道，就像这个，我教所有这些。

And, you know, like this one, I'm teaching I teach all these things.

我有一个课程。

And I have a course.

你可以访问我的网站，它会教你如何出体，如何做所有这些事情，如何用意念疗愈，它是如何运作的，为什么有效，你能做什么，问题是什么。

You can get my website that'll that'll explain to you how to go out of body and how to do all these things, how to heal with your mind, how it works, why it works, what you can do, what the problems are.

我给你一个双耳节拍，让你进入冥想状态，然后我向你解释。

I give you a binaural beat to put you in the meditation state, and then I explain it to you.

然后我给你机会去实践。

Then I give you a chance to go do it.

你回来。

You come back.

我们讨论一下。

We discuss it.

你知道吗？

You know?

你回去。

You go back.

去做。

Do it.

你知道吗？

You know?

这纯粹是练习的事。

It's just practice thing.

它是循环的。

It loops.

这就像五天的课程，我已经把它压缩成五天的音频，因为图片其实不重要。

It's like five day program, and I've reduced it to to five days worth of audio because the pictures really don't matter.

而且它就在我的网站上。

And it's it's at my website.

不过话说回来，我遇到过很多想尝试这些事情的人。

But anyway, so I've had a lot of experience with people trying to do these things.

我跟成千上万想学的人聊过。

I've talked to literally thousands of people that I've tried to teach.

那些成功的，比如有个女孩，她坐下来，就拿到了一个机器人遥视目标。

And the ones that are successful, like this one girl, sits down and she gets a robot remote viewing target.

做法是，你上一个网站，上面有图片和数字对应。

The way you do that, you go up to a site on the web and there's pictures associated with numbers.

你说要10个，比如，他们就会给你10个数字。

And you ask for 10, say, and they'll give you 10 numbers.

每个数字对应一张特定的图片，你的任务就是遥视出那张图片是什么。

Each one of these numbers is associated with a very particular picture, and your job is to remote view what the picture is.

她之前从来没做过，而且她做的时候很随意。

So she had never done it before, and she was very casual with it.

然后她继续，她做了12个。

And she goes through, and she she did 12 of them.

12个。

12 of them.

做完第十二个之后，你知道，她正把所有的都写在纸上。

And after the twelfth one, you know, she's writing them all down on the paper.

哦，好的。

Oh, okay.

这个数字，我得到了这个、这个和这个。

This number, I I got this and this and this.

下一个数字，我得到了这个。

The next number, I got this.

她正在画图并把它们写在纸上。

And she's drawing pictures and writing them down on paper.

她完成了，她完成了十二个。

And she got done she got done through twelve.

然后她说，好吧，在我继续做这些之前，我先回去看看我做得怎么样。

And she said, well, I'm gonna I before I do any more of these, let me go back and see how I did.

她12个全对了，一个不差。

She got 12 right spot on.

然后她说，哇。

And she said, wow.

她完全惊呆了。

She was blown away.

她真的高兴得尖叫起来。

She she actually squealed so well.

吸引了房间里所有人的注意。

It got everybody's attention in the room.

你知道吗？

You know?

然后她想，哦，我挺擅长这个的。

And then she thought, oh, I'm good at this.

我能做到。

I can do this.

接下来的五个，错、错、错、错、错。

The next five, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

一个都没对，因为她现在太投入了。

Didn't get any of them because now she was involved with it.

她的理智开始干扰了。

She wanted intellect was interfering with it.

她想要做好。

She wanted to do it.

她知道自己很擅长。

She knew she was good.

就像，如果我不费劲就能做到那样，那我努力的话应该能做得更好。

Like, well, if I could do that without trying, I should be able to do better if I try.

不。

No.

如果你刻意去试，反而什么都做不成。

If you try, you won't do it at all.

所以成功的态度是一种很随意的态度，就是敞开心扉，不去刻意追求。

So the attitude that succeeds is a very casual attitude that's just open to things and is not trying.

不是那种，你知道的，就是开放。

It's not doesn't have you know, it's just open.

然后事情就更容易发生了。

And then it happens much more easily.

当事情真的发生时，如果这个人否认，那就是另一回事了。

Now when it does happen, if the person is in denial, that's another thing.

如果你有强烈的信念认为这不可能，或者甚至强烈认为可能但你做不到，那么一旦事情发生，你的理智就会带着那个信念跳出来，然后机会就没了。

If you've got this belief, strong belief that it's impossible or even a strong belief that maybe it's possible, but you can't do it, then as soon as things happen, your intellect will jump in with that belief and it's gone.

所以，是的，有很多事情。

So, yeah, there's lots of things.

现在还有另一个问题，就是那些没有训练过自己的人，脑子里总是有各种念头。

Now here's another thing that that is a problem, and that is that people who haven't trained themselves constantly have stuff going through their mind.

我的意思是，如果你看脑电图，你会发现它到处都是乱的。

I mean, if you look at a EEG, you'll see it's all over the place.

如果你看那些从电脑里出来的彩色图片，你会看到颜色在动，而且在不断变化。

If you look at those color pictures you get out of the, you know, the computer, you see the colors are doing this, and they're changing.

这些都是想法和杂念，不停地在你脑子里闪过。

These are thoughts and things constantly going through your mind.

如果你只是对信息保持开放，但脑子里全是背景噪音，那就很难从噪音中提取出信号。

Well, if you're just open to information coming and your mind has got all this background noise in it, it's hard to pick the signal out of the noise.

所以人们常说，第一步是学会冥想，因为那是一种练习，让你学会让心灵安静下来，摆脱噪音。

So that's why people say, well, first step is learn to meditate because that's an exercise where you learn to quiet your mind, get rid of the noise.

所以普通人的脑子通常很吵，这是个问题。

So a typical person has a pretty noisy mind, and that's a problem.

但这只需要一些自律就能摆脱吵闹的头脑。

But that's just takes some discipline to get rid of the noisy mind.

所以这些就是阻碍普通西方人实现这种事情的一些因素。

So these are some of the things that inhibit it from happening in kind of the average, Westerner.

他们失去了平衡，理智太多了。

They get, out of balance, too much intellect.

他们要么想做，要么认为不可能。

They either want to do it, or they're convinced it's impossible.

这两种情况都会让它停止。

Both of those will shut it off.

他们还没有

They, haven't

没有信号。

no signal.

当你想做的时候，是什么在干扰？

What is happening when you want to do it that's interfering?

当理智干扰时，理智发生了什么？

What is happening with the intellect when the intellect interferes?

比如，是什么在扰乱或中断信号？

Like, what is disturbing or disrupting the signal?

就像是智力坐在椅子边缘，看着，观察着，随时准备行动。

It's like the intellect is up on the edge of its chair looking, watching, ready.

你知道吗？

You know?

我想和我死去的叔叔弗雷德说话。

I wanna talk to my dead uncle Fred.

好的。

Okay.

他在哪里？

Where is he?

现在是智力在掌控。

It's the intellect's in charge now.

是你的智力在试图寻找。

It's your intellect that's looking to try to find.

你没有放松下来，让直觉通道打开并接收。

You're not just relaxed letting that intuitive channel open up and receive.