#2411 - 加文·德·贝克尔

任何了解毒品使用的人家都知道，如果你是个重度吸毒者，整夜不睡、参加派对，会怎么样？

And anybody that knows anything about drug use knows that if you're a hardcore drug user and you're staying up all night and you're partying, guess what?

你的免疫系统会崩溃。

You're gonna crush

你的免疫系统。

your immune system.

而且你知道，他们在派对上服用抗生素，放在大碗里。

And, you know, they were taking antibiotics which were at the parties in big bowls.

抗生素？

Antibiotics?

是的。

Yeah.

因为他们有大量性行为。

Because they had all this was a tremendous amount of sex.

这几乎是同性恋权利运动中一种自由的象征，人们感染了各种疾病。

It was almost a statement of freedom in the gay rights movement, and the people had all kinds of infections.

所以他们不停地舀抗生素吃，当然，艾滋病是真实存在的。

So they were scooping up antibiotics and taking antibiotics, and, of course, AIDS is real.

他们摧毁了自己的免疫系统。

They destroyed their immune system.

这一点毫无疑问。

No question about it.

还有亚硝酸酯吸入剂

And poppers

而杜斯伯格认为，亚硝酸酯吸入剂才是关键。

and and Duesberg Poppers is the big one.

对吧？

Right?

没错。

Yeah.

亚硝酸盐。

Nitrate.

嗯，亚硝酸酯确实会导致与艾滋病相关的特定呼吸问题。

Well, poppers certainly causes the specific respiratory issue that was associated with AIDS.

而且他们一直在改变，你知道的，NIH和CDC一路上不断修改定义。

And they kept changing, you know, the NIH and CDC kept changing the definition along the way.

在一本关于真实安东尼·福奇的书里有一句精彩的话，我知道你读过，没错。

And there's a great line in in the real Anthony Fauci, a book I know you read Yeah.

书中鲍比说，如果你在非洲被诊断出艾滋病，最快痊愈的方法就是去纽约。

Where Bobby says, if you get diagnosed with AIDS in Africa, the fastest way to get cured is go to New York.

在那里，你不会被诊断为艾滋病。

You won't be diagnosed with AIDS.

诊断方法完全不同。

Totally different diagnostic method.

在非洲，感染者主要是女性。

In Africa, it's mostly women.

在美国，感染者主要是男性。

In The United States, it's mostly men.

而非洲的诊断方法包括在问卷中询问你是否发生过同性性行为。

And the diagnostic method in Africa includes asking you on a questionnaire whether you've engaged in gay sex.

这和艾滋病检测有什么关系？

What does that have to do with a with an AIDS test?

我年轻时做过一次艾滋病检测，心想，这不就像验孕试纸一样吗？

I took an AIDS test when I was younger and thought, well, this is a test like a pregnancy test.

对吧？

Right?

你检测呈阳性，就意味着你是阳性。

You you test positive, that means you're positive.

阴性就是阴性。

Negative means negative.

那并不是，那是一个高度主观的检测。

That wasn't the it it was a highly interpretive test.

顺便说一下，我之前提到过几次的这部纪录片，叫《数字之家》。

And by the way, this documentary I've mentioned a couple of times called House of Numbers.

为了幽默效果，我还得补充一点：任何在YouTube上找这部纪录片的人，一定要确保找的是正确的版本，因为对手们上传了另一部名为《House of Numbers》的纪录片。

For for its humorous value, I have to also add that anybody who looks for it on YouTube, be sure you have the one that is the correct one because the adversaries have put up another documentary entitled it house of numbers.

他们对《乌龟一直往下》也做过同样的事。

They did the same thing with turtles all the way down.

是的。

Yeah.

这招很聪明。

It's very clever.

然后那部片子就驳斥了，你知道的，它驳斥了另一部片子。

And then that one debunks the, you know, that one debunks the other one.

所以这部纪录片是名叫布伦特·伦格（Brent Lueng）的优秀导演拍的，L-U-E-N-G。

So it's it's it's house of numbers by a great filmmaker named Brent Lueng, l u e n g.

它真的非常令人享受，非常愉快。

And it's just a totally enjoyable enjoyable.

这个词用得对吗？

Is that the right word?

但这部纪录片却探讨了另一个我们被禁止质疑的神圣不可侵犯的话题。

But informative documentary on another one of these sacred cows that we are not allowed to question.

嗯，杜斯伯格是我第一次邀请作为播客嘉宾的人，结果我遭到了巨大的反对。

Well, Duesberg one was the first time that I ever had someone on as a podcast guest where I got massive pushback.

人们说，你手上沾满了鲜血。

People were like, there's blood on your hands.

首先，2015年或者我邀请他上节目的那一年，到底还有谁在死于艾滋病呢？

Like, first of all, who's dying of AIDS in 2015, right, or whatever year it was that I had them on?

但他声称，HIV是一种弱病毒，只出现在那些免疫系统已经受损的人体内。

But it his assertion was that HIV was a weak disease, that it was a weak virus that was only showing up in the systems of people that were already compromised.

是的。

Yeah.

它并不是病因。

It was not the cause of it.

它只是免疫系统受损的一种表现。

It was a symptom of a compromised immune system.

非洲的极度贫困人口，没有有效污水处理系统的人等等。

Very poor people in Africa, people with no effective sewage, etcetera.

这又是众多具有减少人口副作用的运动之一。

And it was another of many, many movements that has the side effect of of reducing population.

减少意味着使用避孕套，不要发生性行为，性是可怕的，性等于死亡。

Reduce meaning it use condoms, don't have sex, sex is scary, sex is death.

这些事情大多聚焦于最终导致人口减少，我稍后会再谈这一点，但我想说说杜斯伯格，这太讽刺了。

A lot of these things focus on and have the ultimate result of population reduction, which I'm gonna come back to, but I wanna say something about Deuceburg because it's so funny.

在《数字之城》中，当他接受采访时，他说：我的同行是妓女。

In in house of numbers when he's interviewed, he says, my peers are prostitutes.

他还说，我在某种程度上也是一名妓女。

And he says, I am a prostitute as well to some degree.

他谈论的是如何争取资金。

He's talking about trying to get get funding.

他说，但他们走得太远了。

He says, but they go all the way.

这只是一个有趣的话。

It's just a funny line.

他是个非常可爱的人。

He's a he's a a lovely man.

哦，你知道的，他现在过得不错。

Oh, you know, he's doing fine now.

我最近跟一个照顾他的人聊过。

I talked to somebody recently who takes care of him.

他的儿子在照顾他。

His son takes care of him.

我联系他是为了看看他是否需要什么，因为我会照顾他一辈子。

I was reaching out to see if he needed anything because I would take care of this guy for the rest of his life.

他是个真正的英雄。

He was a real hero.

他们把他埋在了海湾里，我的意思不是说他死了埋了。

And they buried him in the bay I mean, I don't mean buried him dead.

我的意思是，他们把他安置在伯克利的地下室里，从那以后，尽管他本有望获得诺贝尔奖，却再也没拿到过任何资助。

I mean, they stuck him in the basement at at Berkeley, and he never got another grant, needless to say, for in all those years even though he was a you know, headed for a Nobel Prize.

他是个伟大的思想家。

He was a great thinker.

所以，我没看过你做的那个节目。

So I'm I didn't I didn't ever see the show you did it.

你是2015年做的吗？

You did it in 2015?

可能比那还要早。

It was probably even earlier than that.

那是哪一年，杰米？

What year was that, Jamie?

可能是2013年或2014年。

It might have been '13 or '14.

我不记得了，但我记得当时遭到了强烈的反对。

I don't remember, but I remember a massive pushback.

人们非常愤怒。

Like, people were very upset.

嗯，你确实有胆量，但我猜你从其他节目里已经让人知道了。

Well, you you got you got balls, but I guess you knew that from some other shows.

因为那时候做这种事，随之而来的侮辱就是‘艾滋病否认者’。

Because doing it at that time, you know, the insult that goes with that one is AIDS denier.

不。

No.

不。

No.

不。

No.

我们是CAIDS。

We're we're CAIDS.

我们不是在谈那个。

We're not talking about that.

我们讨论的是HIV是否总是导致艾滋病的原因。

We're talking about whether HIV is always the cause of AIDS.

但当时有那么多事实，人们却视而不见。

But there were so many facts that people were ignoring.

这对我来说，当我看到一个困境、一种情况，以及人们忽视的不便事实时，就是这样的。

This is what was like, for me, when I see I see a dilemma, I see a situation, and I see inconvenient facts that people are ignoring.

其中之一是AZT会杀死人，它原本是一种化疗药物，因为其致死速度比癌症还快，所以不得不停用，而化疗通常只用于短期治疗。

One of them being that AZT kills people and that it was a chemotherapy medication that they had to stop using because it was killing people quicker than the cancer is killing people, and that chemotherapy is always a very short term use.

它只适用于短期使用。

It's for short term use.

就像你得癌症时，会接受化疗，它杀死癌细胞。

It's like when you have cancer, you take chemotherapy, it kills the cancer.

它几乎也把你杀死，然后你从中恢复过来，希望癌症已经消失了。

It and it almost kills you, and then you recover from it, and hopefully, the cancer's gone.

但这是唯一一种你被要求持续服用的化疗药物。

This was the only chemotherapy that you were being told to stay on

为了生命。

For life.

那确实从未如此，是的。

That that had never been Yeah.

所以，AZT 确实会杀死人。

And so it was one, AZT killed people for sure.

他们用 AZT 来治疗艾滋病。

They were using AZT for AIDS.

人们要么死于艾滋病，要么死于 AZT，反正都是。

People were dying from, you know, AIDS or AZT, whatever.

他们死得更多了。

They were dying more.

后来他们停止使用 AZT，人们就不再死于艾滋病了。

And they stopped using it, and people stopped dying of AIDS.

因为事情就是这么发展的。

Because that's kind of how it went.

因为他们会试图告诉你，哦，不是这样的。

Because they they'll try to tell you that, oh, no.

新的药物阻止了HIV的传播，但为什么它从未蔓延到异性恋群体中？

It's the new medications have stopped the spread of HIV, but why did it never make its way to the heterosexual community?

如果它真的是一种性传播疾病，而且如此难以置信地具有传染性，以至于在同性恋群体中像野火一样蔓延，那为什么有很多人既有同性性行为也有异性性行为？

If it's really a sexually transmitted disease that's so, you know, unbelievably contagious that it just spread through the gay community like wildfire, why there's a lot of people that had gay sex and straight sex.

那么，为什么它从未真正对异性恋群体产生重大影响？

Well, how come it never really had any meaningful transition to the heterosexual community?

有很多奇怪的事情。

There's a lot of, like, weird shit.

为什么那些完全无症状的人，比如阿瑟·阿什，一接受治疗后六个月就死了？

Why do people that were totally asymptomatic like Arthur Ashe gets on ACT and he's dead in six months?

有没有可能，是AZT杀死了这些人，而彼得·杜斯伯格是对的？

Like, what what what is it possible that ACT killed those people and that Peter Duesberg is right?

这正是我的想法。

Like, this this was my Yeah.

想法。

Thought.

我当时想，让我听听这家伙怎么说。

And I'm like, let me hear this guy out.

让我以怀疑但客观的心态和他谈谈，看看他到底在说什么。

Let me talk to him with a skeptical but objective mindset and see where this guy's at.

然后你发现他是加州大学伯克利分校的终身教授，曾在癌症研究领域做出开创性工作。

Then you find out he's a tenured professor at University of California Berkeley, done groundbreaking research on cancer.

他是个天才，他说的每一件事都完全合乎逻辑。

He's a brilliant guy, and everything he's saying totally completely made sense.

是的。

Yes.

我当时觉得，这太奇怪了。

And I was like, this is so strange.

然后我意识到，哦，这一切都发生在互联网出现之前。

And then I realized, oh, this all happened before the Internet.

这一切都发生在他上播客谈论之前。

This all happened before he gets set on a podcast and talk about it.

这一切都发生在人们能发推文讨论之前。

This all happened before people could tweet about it.

这一切都发生在有人能拍纪录片并在YouTube上发布之前。

This is this all happened before someone could make a documentary and release it on YouTube.

是的。

Yeah.

确实如此。

It's very true.

顺便说一下，另一个德西堡的故事是，有一对夫妇在罗马尼亚收养了一个婴儿。

By the way, another Deuceburg story is that there's a couple that adopted a baby in Romania.

他们被记录在纪录片《数字之家》中，收养了这个婴儿。

They're covered in this documentary house of numbers, and they adopt the baby.

他们在罗马尼亚接受了艾滋病和HIV检测，结果均为阴性。

It's tested for AIDS in Romania, tested for HIV, and negative.

到达美国。

Gets to America.

他们又做了一次检测。

They do another test.

哦不。

Uh-oh.

婴儿HIV呈阳性。

The baby is HIV positive.

这些是PCR检测吗？

So Are these PCR tests?

是的。

Yeah.

它们是PCR检测。

They're PCR tests.

卡莉·穆利斯对此非常坚持。

And this is what Carrie Mullis was very adamant about.

这不是PCR的正确使用方式，而福奇在做这件事时根本不知道自己在做什么。

This is not the use of the proper use of PCR and that Fauci did not know what he was doing when he was doing that.

我们也播放了那个视频。

We we played that video as well.

是的。

Yeah.

凯莉·穆利斯的资料太棒了。

There's great Kelly Carrie Mullis stuff.

真希望他还活着。

I wish he was alive.

他不幸在新冠疫情爆发前就去世了。

He he died right before COVID, unfortunately.

但不管怎样，他们收养了这个孩子，是个HIV阳性的女婴。

But, anyway, so they they adopt this kid, and the kid is HIV positive little girl.

医生们说：‘哦，宝宝，你得赶紧让这个孩子开始服用齐多夫定。’

And the doctors say, well, oh, baby, you you gotta put this kid on AZT in a hurry.

于是他们让这个孩子服用AZT。

So they put the kid on AZT.

现在你可以看到一些家庭录像，孩子站不起来，摔倒，体重下降。

Now you see videos, home movies where the kid can't stand up, is falling, loses weight.

当他们去看医生时，医生说，这是艾滋病。

And when they go to the doctors, they say, well, it's AIDS.

你知道吗？

You know?

我们已经尽力了。

We're doing our best.

她实际上表现得还不错。

She's actually doing pretty well.

药物，你知道的，正在维持她的生命，所以继续下去吧。

The medic medicine, you know, is keeping her alive, so just keep going.

于是他们继续下去。

So they keep going.

她的情况越来越糟。

She gets worse and worse and worse.

最终，他们给一个名叫彼得·杜斯伯格的人写了封信，他们听说过这个人。

And eventually, they write a letter to a guy they've heard about named Peter Duesberg.

值得一提的是，他真的很勇敢。

And to his credit, man, he's he was brave.

他回信了，以大多数人不会采取的方式，明确建议立即停用她的药物。

He writes back, you know, in writing in a way most people wouldn't, take her off that medication immediately.

于是他们照做了。

So they do.

他们让她停用了药物。

They take her off the medication.

医生说她活不过五岁。

The doctors say she's gonna be dead by the time she's five.

然后他们又说，也许她能活到七岁。

Then they say, you know, maybe she'll live to be seven.

然后他们说，如果她能活到11岁，那就是个奇迹了。

Then they say, if she lives to be 11, it'll be a miracle.

与此同时，她的状况越来越好。

In the meantime, she's getting better and better and better.

在电影中，镜头切到她23岁，怀抱着自己的女儿。

In the movie, cut to 23 years old pregnant having her own daughter.

天啊。

Jesus Christ.

是啊。

Yeah.

还有其他人也在

And there's other people in

他们必须知道这件事。

the They had to know this.

哦，但你知道，COVID的情况也是如此。

Oh, but, you know, this is true with with COVID as well.

你可以宽厚地说，人们早期并不知道这些事情，但现在回头来看COVID和新冠疫苗，不可能还说他们现在也不知道。

You you can be generous and and say people didn't know things early on, but it is not possible to now look back, for example, at COVID and the COVID vaccine and say they don't know it now.

对吧？

Right?

换句话说，到了现在，阿尔伯特·博拉不可能再这么说，哦，我们当时根本不知道。

In other words, at this point, it's not possible for Albert Borla to, you know, to say, oh, we had no idea about that.

心肌炎会导致年轻运动员在晚上睡觉时还好好的，第二天早上却被发现死在床上。

Myocarditis that would cause sudden death in, you know, kids athletic boys go to sleep at night and they're found dead in their bed in the morning.

不是一例、两例，而是很多例。

Not not one, not two, but many.

在COVID初期，两个不同州的两位不同法医分别做了报告，都指出这些早上被发现死在床上的16岁孩子，都是因疫苗引发的心肌炎而死亡，而且两人去世时间仅相隔两天。

And right in the beginning of COVID, two different states with two different coroners did two different reports that both said these kids who were found in their bed dead in the morning, 16 years old, both of them two days apart, died from vaccine induced myocarditis.

显然，这本应成为全世界最大的新闻。

Now, clearly, that should have been the biggest news story in the world.

因为想象一下

Because Imagine if

我们都接种了。

we were all taking it.

对吧？

Right?

所有事情都发生在互联网之前。

Everything happened before the Internet.

是的。

Yeah.

嗯，互联网出现之前确实发生过一些事情。

Well, things did happen before the Internet.

但想象一下，如果那件事发生了。

But imagine if that one happened.

你知道的？

You know?

是的。

Yeah.

嗯，你知道，某种程度上，乔，你可以看看1976年和2009年的猪流感，那时候还没有互联网，结果情况反而更糟。

Well, you know, in a way, Joe, it's you you could you could look at swine flu in in 1976 and also again in 2009, which were before the the Internet, and they actually did worse in a way.

互联网的好处是促进了像我们今天这样的交流，以及你所做的各种事情，但同时也让政府有了控制机制。

What the Internet did, it'll is favorably allowed engagements like we're having today and all the stuff you've done, but it also allowed governments to have a control mechanism.

对吧？

Right?

我正在找我的iPhone，你知道的，直接盯着我们的iPhone。

I was looking for my iPhone, you know, right into our iPhones.

所以当时发生的是，它们在越来越擅长控制人类的感知。

And so what was happening is they were getting are, not were, getting better and better and better at at controlling human perception.

我认为确实如此，互联网一方面是一份伟大的礼物，但另一方面，它也带来了问题。

And I think it's it's true that the Internet is a great gift on the one hand, but it's also look.

他们不可能对互联网置之不理，而不利用它参与这场正在进行的信息战。

There's no way they're gonna leave the Internet untouched and not also utilize it in this basically information war that's going on.

因此，互联网帮助一些人看到了真相，但同时也被用来阻止许多人看到真相。

So the Internet has helped show some people the truth, but it's also been used to stop a lot of other people from seeing the truth.

我确信，但至少现在有了一个以前不存在的途径，让人们可以了解真相。

I'm sure, but at least there's a there's an avenue where people can learn the truth that didn't exist before.

德斯伯格那件事，我之所以知道，是因为《Spin》杂志上的一篇文章，而且我有些偏阴谋论的烟友。

The Deusberg thing, the only way I found out about it was an article in Spin magazine, and I had some conspiratorially minded pothead friends.

他们跟我说：伙计，艾滋病不是真的。

They're like, dudes, AIDS isn't real.

我当时说：

I was like,

你在胡说什么？

what the fuck are you talking about?

当然，艾滋病是真实的。

Of course, AIDS is real.

然后我开始读书，心想：等等，

And then I started reading books, and I was like, wait a minute.

这不可能是真的。

This can't be real.

这不可能是真的。

This can't be true.

让他上节目简直太精彩了。

And having him on was just absolutely fascinating.

但来自那些坚信其他所有医生不可能都意见一致且错误的人的强烈反弹让我陷入了沉思。

But the blowback from all the people that were absolutely convinced that there's no way these all of these other doctors could be in agreement and be incorrect.

这让我犹豫了，因为我想，没错。

And that that gave me pause because I was like, yeah.

这说得通。

That makes sense.

为什么所有这些医生都会一致同意并在这个问题上犯错呢？

Why would all these doctors be in agreement and be incorrect about this?

他们为什么都会推广这个虚假的叙事？

Why would they all be promoting this false narrative?

我完全不了解NIH和福奇以及他们是如何运作的，也不知道只要稍微偏离主流叙事，就会得不到任何资助和经费。

I had no concept of how the NIH and how Fauci and how how they ran things and how if you deviated from the narrative whatsoever, you got no grants, you got no funding

你会被吊销执照。

You lose your license.

你会被吊销执照。

You lose your license.

而且，显然我们在2020年看到，人们被从推特上踢了出去。

You and, obviously, we saw in 2020, they were kicked people kicked off Twitter.

是的。

Yeah.

比如一些德高望重的科学家，他们在顶尖大学任教，却因为说出阿尔·戈尔所谓的“不便的真相”而被排除在讨论之外。

Like, esteemed scientists, you know, people that taught at major universities removed from the conversation because they were speaking what Al Gore would call an inconvenient truth.

是的。

Yeah.

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This episode is brought to you by Black Rifle Coffee Company.

我们来点真实的。

Let's get real.

大多数品牌只是在标签上贴个旗帜就声称自己在支持。

Most brands just slap a flag on a label and call it support.

但Black Rifle Coffee Company不是这样。

Not Black Rifle Coffee Company.

今年秋天，BRCC将加倍致力于其使命。

This fall, BRCC is doubling down on their mission.

从11月起，他们与ForgiveCo和Born Primitive合作，为退伍军人消除高达2500万美元的医疗债务。

From November, they teamed up with ForgiveCo and Born Primitive to eliminate up to $25,000,000 in medical debt for veterans.

不是空谈，不是话题标签，而是为服役者及其家人提供真正的援助。

Not talk, not hashtags, real relief for those who've served and their families.

这对BRCC来说也不是新鲜事。

And this isn't new for BRCC.

在2025年，他们支持了诸如Operation Homefront、Hunter Seven基金会、Beyond the Barracks、Team RWB和Folds of Honor等以使命为导向的非营利组织，为最需要帮助的人提供心理健康、住房、教育和过渡服务。

In 2025, they've backed mission driven nonprofits like Operation Homefront, Hunter seven Foundation, Beyond the Barracks, Team RWB, and Folds of Honor supporting mental health, housing, education, and transition services for those who need it most.

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Hit up blackriflecoffee.com/joerogan.

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Use code Rogan and get 30% off your order or coffee club sign up.

Black Rifle Coffee，由退伍军人创立，美国烘焙。

Black Rifle Coffee, veteran founded, American roasted.

这是美国的咖啡。

This is America's coffee.

没错。

That's correct.

是的。

Yeah.

另外，现在有一部纪录片叫《不便的研究》。

And there's a a documentary right now called, by the way, an inconvenience study.

尽快去看看。

See that as quick as you can.

它在YouTube上免费，因为有一些赞助商支付了费用。

It's free on on YouTube because some sponsors just paid for it.

但这部影片是关于亨利·福特医疗中心进行的一项研究，比较了接种疫苗的儿童和未接种疫苗的儿童。

But that is about a study done by the Ford Medical Center Henry Ford Medical Center comparing vaccinated kids to unvaccinated kids.

这是一部非常非常有趣的纪录片，研究完成后，他们决定不发布它。

It's a very, very interesting documentary and the and where the after the study is done, they decide not to release it.

而且，是的。

And Yeah.

我读过关于这个的报道。

I read about that.

是的。

Yeah.

它真的很好。

It's really good.

我我不想剧透任何内容。

There's I don't wanna spoil anything.

但只是告诉你，有些好内容是，你知道的，一段隐藏摄像机采访，采访的是那个说‘我真的不行’的人。

The but just tell you, some good stuff is, you know, hidden camera interview with the guy who says, I just can't.

我真的不行。

I just can't.

我的职业生涯就完了。

My career would be over.

我就是不会这么做。

I'm just not gonna do it.

我不会这么做。

I'm not gonna do it.

嗯，人们试图说服他发布这项研究，那样的话。

Well, people try to persuade him to release the study that would yes.

这会对很多人有帮助。

It would help a lot of people.

我同意，这会对很多人有帮助，我也同意这很重要，但我真的不能。

I agree it would help a lot of people, and I agree it's important, but I can't.

我已经受够了。

I've had enough.

我做不到。

I can't.

我做不到。

I can't.

他也不会。

And he doesn't.

所以，你知道，这种事，你还有胃口再来一个吗？

And it's so this, you know, this kind of thing you got the stomach for another one?

当然。

Sure.

我会给

I'll give

你一个大的。

you a big one.

因为你提到了艾滋病。

So because you mentioned AIDS.

艾滋病就像重力。

AIDS is like gravity.

你不被允许质疑它。

You're not allowed to question it.

它是正确的。

It's Right.

你知道，它是一种

You know, it's a

这是一场大屠杀。

It's a holocaust.

是的。

Yeah.

大屠杀、重力、登月。

Holocaust, gravity, moon landing.

顺便问一下，希特勒是被俄罗斯人杀的吗？

Hitler, by the way, killed was he killed by the Russians?

结果发现，那块头骨碎片属于一位三十多岁的女性。

Well, turns out the skull fragment belonged to a woman in her thirties.

这不就是一个叙事吗？

Isn't it a a narrative?

意思是，他是唯一一个没有逃生计划的人。

Meaning, this is the only guy who didn't have an escape plan.

其他人都去了阿根廷。

Everybody else went to Argentina.

他们甚至乘坐整个潜艇，历时两个月，一路抵达阿根廷，这些潜艇在战争结束数周后才被发现。

They even took whole submarines all the way to Argentina on two month trips that were found weeks after the war.

人们直到现在还在阿根廷发现潜艇。

They were still finding submarines in Argentina.

但这个家伙，尽管有飞行员作证说他飞载他离开了德国，从柏林把他带走了，谁会编造这种谎言呢？

But this one guy, even though there's a pilot who testified that he flew him out of Germany, flew him out of Berlin, why would anybody lie about that?

因为俄罗斯人正在攻入柏林，如果你没有抓住奥萨马·本·拉登，如果希特勒还活着并逍遥法外，那你几乎算不上真正征服了什么。

Well, because the Russians are coming into Berlin, and you've hardly conquered anything if the Osama bin Laden hasn't been caught, if Hitler is is free and is somewhere in the world.

但这个说法对人们来说非常有趣，值得深入探究。

But that narrative is really interesting for people to dig into.

去试试Grok或者去用ChatGPT。

Get on get on Grok or get on ChatGPT.

现在简单说一下ChatGPT和Grok。

Now quick quick note on ChatGPT and Grok.

你得到的第一个答案通常是正统的、被认可的答案。

The first answer you get will usually be the orthodox answer, the approved answer.

你得不断追问。

You have to keep asking.

你得说：再看一下。

You have to say, look again.

你得不断推动它。

You have to push the thing.

这样你就能获得惊人的信息。

And and then you'll get remarkable information that way.

你仍然需要核实所有内容，因为这个东西会有幻觉，你知道的。

You still have to check it all because the thing has delusions, you know, as we know.

但我的观点是，所有这些我们被禁止质疑的事情，都被当作像重力一样的事实。

But my point is that all these things that are we're not allowed to question because they are just facts like gravity.

其中一个大例子是：疫苗不会导致自闭症。

Well, a big one is vaccines cannot be linked to autism.

我们都明白这一点。

We all know that.

这就像我们知道重力一样，就像我们知道地球围绕太阳运转一样。

That's like we know it just like we know gravity, just like we know the earth rotates around the the sun.

我们是怎么知道的？

How do we know it?

现在，当你问：是谁驳斥了它？又是如何驳斥的？

Now suddenly when you say, who debunked it and how was it debunked?

突然间，没人能回答你的问题。

All of a sudden, nobody can answer your question.

你遇到的任何一个儿科医生都无法回答这个问题。

Not a single pediatrician you'll ever meet can answer that question.

所以今天我来回答这个问题。

So I'm gonna answer it today.

我们是怎么知道的？

How do we know?

是谁驳斥了它？

Who debunked it?

是医学研究所驳斥了它。

It was debunked by the Institute of Medicine.

他们是如何驳斥的，我稍后会讲，因为这很有趣。

And how they debunked it, I'll talk about in a minute because it's funny.

但医学研究所是什么？

But what is the Institute of Medicine?

嗯，大家都认为这是一个庞大、重要且备受尊敬的科学组织，属于国家科学院的一部分，是政府机构。

Well, everybody knows that's a big, important, revered organization all about science, part of the National Academies of Science, government organization.

猜猜看？

Guess what?

它其实是私人组织，不是政府机构。

Private organization, not a government organization.

医学研究所和国家科学院都是完全私人的组织，有时由政府资助，有时由制药公司资助。

The Institute of Medicine and the National Academy of Sciences, both completely private organizations, sometimes funded by government and sometimes funded by pharma.

所以他们驳斥了这一说法，而他们驳斥的方式，和他们处理橙剂的方式一样。

And so they they debunked it, and and the way they debunked it is by having same way they used for agent orange.

所以我想花一点时间谈谈橙剂。

So why why I wanna talk about agent orange for a second.

长篇解释可以吗？

Is the long answer okay?

当然可以。

Sure.

好的。

Okay.

我甚至都记不清问题是什么了。

If I can even remember the question.

但这里是关于橙剂的部分。

But but here's the the agent orange piece.

让人们听听这个很好，因为他们对它没有情感上的反应。

It's it's good for people to hear because they're not emotional about it.

对吧？

Right?

他们对艾滋病很有感情。

They're emotional about AIDS.

他们对疫苗、新冠等等都非常情绪化，但人们几乎已经忘记了橙剂。

They're very emotional about vaccines and COVID and what have you, but agent orange people have pretty much forgotten about.

橙剂被用来在越南清除森林和丛林，但它实际上是一种化学武器。

What happens is agent orange is used to defoliate forests and jungles in Vietnam, but it's actually a chemical weapon.

美国政府否认它是化学武器，但他们知道他们曾对它进行过测试。

The US government denies that it's a chemical weapon, but they know that they tested it.

它含有二噁英，他们用40只倒霉的猴子进行了测试。

It has dioxin in it, and they tested it on 40 unlucky monkeys.

在这些医学实验中，这些猴子总是很倒霉。

Now these monkeys in these medical tests, they are always unlucky.

它们很少能完好无损地出来。

They very rarely come out feeling fine.

在这40只猴子中，有37只在一周内死亡。

Of these forty, thirty seven died within a week.

因此，美国政府知道他们手中有一种非常有毒的东西，但他们却将它喷洒在整个越南，导致我们的士兵严重生病。

So the US government knew they had something here that was quite toxic, but they spray it all over Vietnam, and our troops get very, very sick.

他们生出了有畸形的孩子。

They have children with deformities.

他们来找美国政府投诉，而美国政府却拿走那只猴子的研究，贴上机密标签，一直隐藏到2000年左右，才交给医学研究所，说：‘研究一下这个东西吧。’

They come and they complain to the US government, and the US government takes that monkey study, stamps it top secret, and hides it all the way till 2000 something when they go to the Institute of Medicine and they say study this thing.

所以，医学研究所，我得看一下我的笔记，因为我想确保准确无误。

So the Institute of Medicine I'm just gonna look at my notes because I wanna get it right.

医学研究所进行了一项研究，他们2001年的研究结论非常有力：需要更多研究。

The Institute of Medicine does a study and the conclusion of their 2001 study, very powerful conclusion, more studies needed.

这就是他们对所有等待赔偿、等待答案的人所给出的答复。

That's what they conclude for all these people who are waiting for compensation and waiting to have the answers.

为了用‘需要更多研究’这种荒谬的答复搪塞过去，他们在2006年、2008年、2010年、2012年和2014年又陆续做了多次研究，但每次得出的结论都一样。

To be sure with that bullshit answer, more studies needed, they do another study in 2006 and then one in 2008 and one in 2010 and one in two thousand twelve and one in 2014, and they all come up with the same conclusion.

需要更多研究。

More studies needed.

这是美国政府拖延时间的一种手段，让那些投诉海湾战争综合症（也被医学研究所否定）或橙剂危害的人最终要么去世，要么放弃诉求。

And this is one of the methods used by the by the US government to to drag things out to where the people who are making the complaint about Gulf War syndrome, also debunked by the Institute of Medicine or agent orange, have died or given up.

这类例子还有很多。

And there's a bunch of examples of this.

因此，医学研究所花了二十二年才否定了这件事。

And so it took the Institute of Medicine twenty two years to debunk this thing.

最后，著名的祖姆瓦尔特上将进行了独立研究，并前往国会作证，我现在要读一下他的证词。

And finally, the very famous admiral, Zumwalt, did an independent study, and he goes and testifies before congress, and I'm gonna read it.

他说，政府和工业界官员故意操纵或隐瞒了关于橙剂有害健康影响的有力信息。

He says government and industry officials intentionally manipulated or withheld compelling information about the adverse health effects from agent Orange.

为什么他的证词如此重要？

And why was his testimony so important?

因为他是下令使用橙剂的人，而且他的儿子也死于橙剂的伤害。

Because he is the person who ordered the use of agent orange and because his own son died from it.

天啊。

Jesus.

所以，当你看到这一点，然后你可能会想，如果正在听我说话的你们现在能接受这样一个想法：嘿。

So you look at that, and then you say, if people listening to me and you now can embrace the idea that, hey.

也许政府有时确实会这么做。

Maybe the government does that sometimes.

如果你能接受这一点，那么你或许就能意识到，当医学研究院以同样的方法、同样的资金、同样的人、同样的专家、同样的理由重复这种行为时，你或许会问：他们其他那些行为又该如何看待？

If you can just take that on board, then maybe you can recognize that when the Institute of Medicine does the same thing with the same methods for the same money paid by the same people with the same experts for the same reasons, then maybe you can say, what about the other stuff they did?

比如疫苗和自闭症，这实际上是疫苗和脑损伤，我们知道疫苗会导致脑损伤。

Like vaccines and autism, which is really vaccines and brain damage, which we know vaccines cause.

这在许多疫苗的每一份说明书上都有注明。

It's on every every package insert for many, many vaccines.

这意味着他们已经承认了脑损伤的存在。

Meaning, they already acknowledge brain damage.

问题在于自闭症，这是一个巧妙的定义，非常复杂，维基百科上关于自闭症的文章有整整12000字来定义它，但他们还是失败了。

The issue is autism, which is a clever definition, very complicated, 12,000 words in the Wikipedia article on autism just to define it, and they fail.

最后列出了400条引用，却说我们无法确定。

400 citations in the end by saying, we can't get it.

所以这是一类事情，你根本无法射中目标，因为定义太过模糊。

So it's it's one of these things that you can't hit with an arrow because the definition is so obtuse.

但无论如何，医学研究所。

But anyway, Institute of Medicine.

他们对婴儿爽身粉导致癌症也做了同样的事，这是一个我很想讲给你听的精彩故事。

They did the same thing for cancer from baby powder, which is a great story I wanna tell you.

海湾战争综合征、硅胶植入物、炭疽疫苗、焚烧坑和婴儿猝死综合征，全部被驳斥。

Gulf War syndrome, silicone implants, anthrax vaccines, burn pits, and SIDS, all debunked.

那么它们有什么共同点呢？

Now what do they have in common?

政府不喜欢这样。

The government didn't like it.

他们不得不支付赔偿。

They were gonna have to pay compensation.

我的意思是，有些事情还挺可笑的。

I mean, it's some of this is funny.

婴儿猝死综合征。

SIDS.

他们是怎么驳斥婴儿猝死综合征的？

How do they debunk SIDS?

婴儿猝死综合征是一个术语，用于当婴儿死亡原因无法确定时的分类。

SIDS is the term, the category that you assign when a baby's death cannot be determined what it is.

你已经做了尸检。

You've done an autopsy.

你已经进行了调查。

You've done an investigation.

你把可怜的父母拖到了警察局。

You've dragged the poor parents to the police station.

你做了所有这些事，却还是无法确定这个婴儿是如何死亡的。

You've done all that stuff, and you cannot decide how this baby died.

因此，医学研究所可以研究SIDS，这是一种死亡类别。

So the Institute of Medicine could look at SIDS, which is a category of death.

你无法被诊断出SIDS。

You can't be diagnosed with it.

你也不会死于SIDS。

You can't die from it.

它只是一个类别。

It's a category.

他们说，我们不知道SIDS的病因，但我们确切知道什么不会导致它。

And they said, we don't know what causes SIDS, but we sure know what doesn't cause it.

多种疫苗。

Multiple vaccines.

这一点我们很确定。

That we're sure of.

这就是这种胡说八道的风格。

And this is the the style of bullshit that goes on

在接种多种疫苗后，婴儿死于婴儿猝死综合征的时间段之间存在相关性。

with There's a correlation in terms of multiple vaccines and the amount of time period afterwards where a baby dies of sudden infant death syndrome.

我毫不怀疑婴儿猝死综合征常常是由多种疫苗引起的。

Oh, I have no doubt that sudden infant death syndrome is often caused by multiple vaccines.

我对这一点毫不怀疑。

I have no doubt about it.

这事儿嘛，留到另一期节目再说。

And the you know, that's for another show.

我写的这本书里，很多内容都在这里。

And a lot of it this book I wrote, a lot of it's in here.

比如，他们真的，我真的深入解释了这个事实。

Like, they really you know, I really get into explaining that that fact.

但更广泛的观点是，你不必证明SIDS，也不必说新冠疫苗有问题，或者疫苗中的汞或其他疫苗可能导致脑损伤。

But the broader point is you don't have to prove SIDS, and you don't have to say COVID vaccines are a problem or or vaccines might cause you know, the mercury in vaccines or other vaccines might cause brain damage.

因为一旦你揭穿了他们用来反驳这套说法的系统，一旦你理解了这背后的运作方式，我能马上跟你讲讲婴儿爽身粉吗？

Because once you break the system that they use for this debunking, once you get into understanding how this works can I tell you baby powder real quick?

嗯。

Yeah.

我知道关于婴儿爽身粉的事。

I know about baby powder.

好的。

Okay.

说吧。

Go ahead.

强生婴儿爽身粉，他们去找了FDA，说：我们必须告诉你们一件事，我们有点担心。

Johnson and Johnson baby powder, they go to the FDA, and they say, we have to tell you something we're a little concerned about.

我们在婴儿爽身粉中发现了一些致癌的石棉，我们承认这一点，并想知道该怎么办。

We have found some cancer causing asbestos in our baby powder, and we're acknowledging it, and we wanna know what to do.

FDA说：我们会研究婴儿爽身粉中允许多少致癌石棉。

And the FDA says, well, we're gonna study how much cancer causing asbestos is okay in baby powder.

于是他们研究了四十四年，却从未考虑过‘零’的可能性。

So they study that for forty four years, and they they never considered maybe zero.

我的意思是，我当过父母。

I mean, I had babies.

我希望婴儿爽身粉中一点致癌石棉都没有。

I'd like zero cancer causing asbestos in the baby powder.

他们从来没想过‘零’。

They never thought about zero.

但他们研究了四十四年，因为当你在掩盖某些事情时，时间过得飞快，FDA最终在2024年，大约十个月前，也就是五十二年后，才做出了裁定。

But they study it for forty four years because time flies when you're when you're, you know, covering up something, and the FDA finally ruled on it in the year of 2024, about ten months ago, after fifty two years.

他们早就知道五十二年了。

They knew it for fifty two.

我想说他妈的，但我不会骂脏话。

I wanna say effing, but I won't swear.

五十二年了，顺便说一句，强生公司仍然声称我们的婴儿爽身粉不会致癌，这是世界上最糟糕的广告标语。

Fifty two years, and Johnson and Johnson, by the way, still claims our baby powder doesn't cause cancer, which is the worst advertising slogan in the history of the world.

问题出在他们开采滑石的地方，滑石和石棉常常在一起。

So the the problem was in the places where they're mining talc, the the talc and asbestos are often together.

那就是问题所在。

That's that was the problem.

对吗？

Correct?

是的。

Yeah.

但他们现在能够解决这个问题了，因为强生婴儿爽身粉仍然在售。

But they were able to solve the problem now because there's still Johnson and Johnson baby powder.

它只是不用滑石粉了。

It's just not made with talc.

而且他们早就知道这一点，五十二年前就知道了，像强生这样的公司本可以……

And they knew this, you know, fifty two years ago, and companies like Johnson and Johnson Can

我打断一下？

I stop you?

现在婴儿爽身粉里含有什么？

What does the baby powder have in it now?

不含滑石粉。

Doesn't have talc.

是玉米淀粉，可能还有别的东西。

Cornstarch and and might be other stuff.

我不清楚。

I don't know.

但你知道，海湾战争综合症也是这么回事。

But, you know, Gulf War syndrome done the same way.

那是贫铀。

That was depleted uranium.

对吗？

Correct?

海湾战争综合征？

Gulf War syndrome?

是的。

Yes.

可能有几种原因。

It could be a few things.

当时接种的一种疫苗中含有一种叫角鲨烯的成分，而今天儿童疫苗中仍然含有这种成分。

There was also a an ingredient in a vaccine given called squalene, which is in childhood vaccines today.

它来自鲨鱼的肝脏，这正是你每次有机会时都想注射到婴儿体内的东西。

It comes from shark's liver, which is what you ought to be wanting to inject into into babies whenever you can.

你知道，马上我要讲一件特别有趣的事，但我想说的是，当孩子死亡且疫苗成为可能的疑因时，当这种情况可能发生时，当权者会说：看。

And, you know, the in a minute, I'm I'm gonna get into something really funny, but but I wanna say that when a child dies and vaccines are even a suspect, when it's possible, the powers that be say, look.

数以百万计的疫苗被接种了，而这些人都安然无恙，就好像他们真的做过挨家挨户的调查一样，当然，他们根本没这么做。

Millions of vaccines were given, and those people are all okay as if they did some, you know, house to house survey, which, of course, they didn't do.

但我们处理空难可不是这样。

But that's not how we handle air crashes.

我们不会说，哦，数百万名乘客都没事。

We don't say, oh, oh, millions of passengers are fine.

别担心那400名在空难中丧生的人。

Don't worry about those 400 who are who are dead in that plane crash.

那我们该怎么做呢？

What do we do?

我们会找到黑匣子。

We get the black boxes.

我们会重新组装飞机。

We reassemble the plane.

我们会还原事故发生的过程，而且这些调查都得到了深入的研究。

We reconstruct what happened, and, you know, they're extensively studied.

如果我们将处理空难的方式用在疫苗上，我的意思是，几百万这个数字并不重要。

If we used for plane crashes my point is the millions don't matter.

少数人的情况才重要。

The few matter.

也就是说，那些遭受痛苦的人。

Meaning the ones who suffer.

你的研究应该聚焦于这些人，而不是那些没有任何问题的几百万人群。

That's where you wanna be doing your research, not the millions who didn't have any problem.

想象一下，如果我们对空难采取制药行业那种处理方式。

And imagine that we took the same approach that pharma takes when we have a, you know, a jetliner crash.

制药公司可能会说，比如一架从纽约飞往伦敦的航班，在距离希思罗机场还有二十分钟时坠入大西洋。

You know, pharma would say let's say a flight from New York to London goes down in the Atlantic twenty minutes before reaching Heathrow Airport.

对吧？

Right?

制药公司会说，这次航班的有效率是95%。

Pharma would say the flight was 95% effective.

对吧？

Right?

或者他们会说，嘿。

Or they would say, hey.

至少你的情况好一些。

At least you're better off.

我们让那些乘客更接近伦敦了。

We got those passengers closer to London.

换句话说，他们干脆把死亡排除在外，只关注这些数字。

In other words, they literally put death out of the equation and focus just on this the numbers.

我不在乎这些数字。

And and I don't care about the numbers.

我在乎那些受到伤害的人，那些遭受痛苦的个体。

I care about the people who are harmed, the individuals who are harmed.

我能打断你一下吗？

Can I stop you there?

嗯。

Yeah.

请说。

Please.

他们通常会说，这拯救的生命比花费的成本更多，实际情况是，在极少数非常罕见的情况下，个别患者会对这种药物产生反应，从而导致死亡。

What they generally do is they will say it saves more lives than it costs, and that what happens is on a few very rare cases, very rare individuals, there's some sort of a reaction and those people die from that medication.

嗯。

Yeah.

但任何大规模处方的药物都存在这种情况。

But this is normal for any kind of medication that is mass prescribed.

嗯。

Yeah.

这正是他们用来作为论据的说法。

This is what they were used as an argument.

他们会说，受到帮助的人远多于受到伤害的人，比如新冠疫苗，或者麻疹、腮腺炎、风疹之类的疫苗。

And they would say that far more people, like COVID vaccine, were helped or, you know, measles, mumps, or rubella, whatever it is, were helped by that, then were hurt.

是的。

Yeah.

所以，你知道，如果你真的要评估一种产品，没有任何父母会允许一个陌生人走上街头，向他们的婴儿注射一种他们不知道成分的东西。

So, you know, when you if you're really gonna assess a product, like no parent would let a stranger walk up to their baby on the street and inject them with something they don't know what's in it.

对吧？

Right?

然而，每年都有数百万美国父母去隆斯或沃尔格林药店给孩子接种疫苗，实际上就是在这么做。

And yet millions of parents do that every year in America by going to Long's or to Walgreens and getting a vaccine.

他们不知道里面有什么。

They don't know what's in it.

没错。

Right.

他们也不知道那个23岁的药房助理在测量并给你注射时的情况。

And they don't know about that 23 year old, you know, pharmacist assistant who's measuring it out and giving it to you.

他们也不会问这样的问题：你的宝宝一周前对这种疫苗有过不良反应吗？诸如此类。

And they don't ask questions like, did your baby have an adverse reaction to this a week ago or what have you?

但我想直接回答你的问题，那就是我们需要对任何东西——别说是疫苗，而是任何药物——进行的评估：在疫苗的情况下，你必须说，感染这种疾病的概率是多少？

But I wanna go right to your question, which is the assessment that we would have to do for anything, forget vaccines, for any kind of drug, is what's the likelihood of get in the case of vaccines, you have to say, what's the likelihood of getting the disease?

患上这种疾病后出现严重后果的概率是多少？

What's the likelihood of having a terrible consequence from the disease?

疫苗是否有效？疫苗是否会对任何人造成伤害？

And and does the vaccine work, and does the vaccine have any harm for anybody?

对吧？

Right?

没错。

Right.

我只是想谈谈其中的几个问题。

Well, I just wanna talk about a couple of these.

破伤风疫苗。

Tetanus vaccine.

在美国，十年内因破伤风死亡的人数是十三人。

In The United States, the number of people who died from tetanus in a decade is thirteen.

十三个人，顺便说一下，都是老年人。

Thirteen human beings, all old, by the way.

在十年内，感染破伤风的人数为一百五十四人。

The number of people who got tetanus in a decade, a hundred and fifty four.

我关于破伤风的观点是，这本书里有一张全球地图。

My point on tetanus is that all over the world there's a map in this book.

全世界范围内，破伤风是怎么得的？首先，你是怎么感染破伤风的？

All over the world, the tetanus how do you get tetanus, first of all?

正如你可能知道的，它不会传染。

It's not transmissible as you may know.

每个人都以为你是通过生锈的钉子深刺伤口之类的途径感染的。

Everybody thinks you get it from a deep puncture wound with a rusty nail or what have you.

生锈并不会导致破伤风。

Rust does not give you tetanus.

它是一种叫做破伤风杆菌的细菌，首先你得找到它。

It's a it is a bacteria called the tetanus bacteria, and you gotta find it, first of all.

而且你要派一支军队去美国寻找它。

And you take an army to find it in The United States, by the way.

你几乎找不到一个在美国见过破伤风患者的医生。

You almost you know, you you won't find a doctor who's ever had a patient with tetanus in The United States.

全世界范围内，美国、整个中美洲和南美洲共22个国家，感染破伤风的人不到百万分之一。

All over the world, it is fewer than one in a million people in The United States, in all of Central America and South America, all 22 countries.

你根本找不到这种病例。

You can't find it.

感染破伤风的人不到十万分之一。

Fewer than one in a hundred thousand people getting tetanus.

我不是在说死亡病例。

I'm not talking about death.

在俄罗斯，2022年每两千人中有一人死亡。

In Russia, one death in two thousand twenty two.

在整个欧洲，只有少数几例死亡。

In all of Europe, a few deaths.

但在刚果，这种情况很多。

It but in The Congo, a lot.

所以这是你必须问风险可能性的问题之一。

So this is one of those things that you have to ask what's the likelihood of risk.

你必须说，它有效吗？

And you have to say, does it does it work?

它有没有任何副作用地有效吗？

And does it work without any without any side effects?

好吧，事实是这样的。

Well, here's the reality.

如果我受了严重伤害，比如深刺伤口，对吧，我去医院，他们清理伤口，那件事就结束了。

If I get a serious injury, deep puncture wound, right, and I go to the hospital, They clean it, and I'm done right there.

清理伤口就是全部了。

Cleaning it is the end of it.

但假设他们没有彻底清理干净。

But let's say they failed to clean it well.

无论你一年前是否打过，他们都会当场给你破伤风疫苗。

They always offer you a tetanus vaccine anyway right there even if you had one a year ago.

在任何情况下，他们都会尽力让你接种破伤风疫苗。

There's never a circumstance where they don't try to get you to take a tetanus vaccine.

所以破伤风疫苗是一种可以在受伤时立即接种的完美疫苗。

So tetanus is the beautiful vaccine you can take at the time of the injury.

你不需要提前预防性接种。

You don't have to take it prophylactically.

给小婴儿注射五针。

Five injections to little babies.

小婴儿。

Little babies.

你不需要这么做。

You don't have to do that.

所以每一种疫苗，每一种都是不同的产品。

So each one of these vaccines, each one of these is a different product.