#2452 - 罗杰·阿瓦里

他们看着一台经过色彩校正的大屏幕，而有个技师在一辆房车里进行色彩校正。

And they're looking at a big color corrected monitor, and there's a guy doing color correction in a van.

他们基本上是在观看最终成片的近似效果。

And they're basically watching an approximation of what it's gonna look like in the end.

他们就坐在那里。

And they're sitting there.

好吧。

Okay.

在我第一部电影拍摄时，这些全都没有。

On my first film, there was none of that.

他们必须站在摄像机旁边。

They had to stand next to the camera.

我们甚至没有视频监视器。

We didn't even have video tap.

站在摄像机旁，看着演员，判断他们有没有按我的要求表演？

Stand next to the camera and look at the actors and see, did the actors do what I wanted them to do?

现在，你知道，他们只要打开摄像机，而关掉再重启摄像机反而更花钱。

And now, you know, they just turn on the camera, and it's it costs more money to stop the camera and to restart it again.

所以你就让它一直拍着，只是任由它继续下去。

So you just let it roll, and you're just, like, letting it go.

然后你就说，嘿。

And you're like, hey.

你知道，现在的导演也会说，嘿。

You know, the director now is like, hey.

回去，重来一次，这次笑一下。

Go back, start over, and smile this time.

然后他们重新拍一遍。

And then they redo it.

接着，剪辑师就得把这些镜头取出来，在剪辑室里一一区分。

And then the editor is now, like, having to take those takes and separate them in the in the editing room.

而演员们呢，瞬间就失去了那种感觉。

And the actors are, like, suddenly the moment is gone, in in other words.

它消失了。

It's vanished.

它

It's

有没有办法两者兼顾？

Is there a way to do both?

我的意思是，是电影这种媒介吗？

I mean, is it the medium of film?

我的意思是，看起来是这样，但环境也很重要。

I mean, it seems like it's the but it's the environment as well.

你描述的是一个环境问题。

You're describing an environmental thing.

对吧？

Right?

嗯，视频村的高管们。

Well Video village executives.

是的。

Yeah.

问题是，现在突然有一群人坐在那里，纷纷说：‘哦，是的。’

And the the problem is now suddenly you've got a chorus of people sitting there who are like, oh, yeah.

你明白了。

You got it.

我看到他明白了。

I saw he got it.

他不是明白了吗？

Didn't he get it?

是的。

Yeah.

你明白了。

You got it.

但作为导演，你仍然得来回跑于摄像机和演员之间，努力维持一切有序。

But you as the director still have to run back and forth to the camera and to the actors and everything, and you're, like, trying to keep it all in place.

你看。

And look.

两者都不比对方更差。

It's it's neither is worse than the other.

对。

Right.

它们都是颜料，但一种是水彩，一种是油画颜料。

They are both paint, but one is watercolor and one is oil paint.

这两种风格截然不同。

And those are opposingly different.

如果你是英国文艺复兴时期的一位油画艺术家，突然间水彩画流行起来。

You know, if you were a an oil artist during the British Renaissance of watercolor paint where all of a sudden watercolor came on.

每个人都想要水彩画。

Everybody wanted watercolor.

你为什么要把水彩画得像油画，或者反过来呢？

Why would you try to make your, you know, watercolor paint look like oil or vice versa?

它们只是完全不同的媒介。

They're just completely different mediums.

它们都是颜料

They're both paint

对。

Right.

但它们是不同的。

But they're different.

所以数字媒介有它自己的优势和用途。

And so digital has its its advantages and its purposes.

你可以，你知道的，播放很长一段视频。

You can you know, because you can run, like, a long mag of of video.

我称之为视频。

I call it video.

大家都叫它数字电影，但那只是为了推动它发展。

Everybody calls it digital cinema, but that was that was just to push it through.

你知道吧？

You know?

而且，实际上，技术是不同的。

And and and, actually, the technology is different.

你知道吧？

You know?

用胶片时，光线会穿过玻璃。

With film, light travels through through the glass.

它会经过一个片门。

It travels through a gate.

它曝光银盐和醋酸纤维，然后你把它全部保持在黑暗中并寄走。

It exposes the silver and the acetate, and and and then and you keep it all in the dark and send it away.

用视频时，光线也会穿过玻璃。

With video, the light travels through the glass.

它照射到感光元件上，然后反射回玻璃中。

It strikes the golden sensor, and then it bounces back into the glass.

这就是为什么视频或数字电影本质上比大多数胶片电影更平坦，因此为了应对这一点，电影制作人开始做与以往完全相反的事情。

And that's why video or digital cinema is flatter by nature than than most film because it and so to combat this, filmmakers have started to do the exact opposite of what we used to do.

过去，当你去拍摄时。

It used to be that you would go to shoot something.

你在户外。

You're on you're outside.

你在片场。

You're on set.

我把摄像机对准乔，阳光在我身后，因为我想让大部分光线照在你身上。

I've got my camera on Joe, and I have the sun behind me because I want all that light on you for the most part.

我有点夸大我的观点。

I'm over exaggerating my point.

但类比来说，或者说常言道，到了一天结束时，你回家发现后颈被晒伤了，因为你总是让光从背后照过来。

But and the analogy would be or the the saying would be that at the end of the day, you go home and the back of your neck is sunburned because you've always had the light behind you.

现在，由于画面更平坦，他们将摄像机旋转180度，对着太阳拍摄以获得镜头光晕。

Now because the image is flatter, they rotate the camera a 180 degrees and they shoot into the sun to get lens flare.

而镜头光晕能营造出一种本不存在的深度感。

And lens flare gives you the the the illusion of depth where there is none.

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我一直觉得，比如看肥皂剧的时候，我会想，为什么他们看起来那么奇怪？

I always thought that, like, when you would watch soap operas, I was like, why do they look so weird?

那是因为他们用摄像机拍摄的，是的。

And it's because they were shooting them on video Yeah.

而不是用胶片。

Instead of on film.

比如我们拍摄情景喜剧《新闻编辑室》的时候，我们坚持用胶片拍摄，他们也非常坚持要用胶片。

Like, when we were filming NewsRadio, the sitcom, we were doing it on film, and they were, like, really adamant about doing it on film.

他们真的很希望用胶片拍摄。

Like, they really wanted it to be on film.

然后有一种技术可以让视频看起来像电影，我觉得这太有趣了。

And then there was some process where you could make video look like film, I and was like, this is so interesting.

就像你用手机拍照时开启人像模式，对吧。

It's like we're when you take your photo with your camera on your phone and you use portrait mode Yeah.

那种模式会模糊背景，实际上是在让画面变差。

Which is you blur out the background, so you're making it shittier.

你在人为制造一种效果，对吧。

You're doing an artificial Yeah.

这是因为我们把媒体的缺陷与电影联系在了一起。

That's because we associate, you know, we associate the the faults of of media as as film.

比如人们一想到老电影，就会联想到泛黄、棕褐色调、灰尘和划痕，嗯。

Like, people think of, like, old movies as Gateweave and Sepia Tone and Dust and Scratches Mhmm.

快速的镜头运动。

Kind of fast motion.

但这些电影最初拍摄时，画面的运动是通过放映机的手动摇柄来校正的，所以原本是自然的动态。

Well, when those movies were originally made, the motion was corrected by the cranking of the projector, and so it was natural motion.

那时候没有棕褐色调的变化。

The there was no sepia tone change.

也没有灰尘。

There was no dust.

它原本就是这样的，而且没有片门舞动，因为画面是固定的。

It was originally and and there was no gate weave because it was a fixed image.

影像的胶片还没有收缩或出现类似的问题。

The image the celluloid hadn't yet shrunk or anything like that.

所以我们现在有了这种滤镜，一种我们用来联想老电影样子的怀旧滤镜。

And so we now have this kind of filter, nostalgic filter that we associate with what an old movie looks like.

因此，如果你想让某物看起来古老，你就开始往里面添加所有这些乱七八糟的东西。

And so if you wanna make something look old, you start adding all this crap to it.

你添加的是缺陷，而正是电影的这些缺陷让它变得真正出色。

You're adding the faults, and it's the faults of cinema that actually make it really good.

并不是电影的完美无瑕。

It's not the perfection of cinema.

在我看来就是这样。

That's in in my opinion.

因为如果电影从未存在过，你就根本卖不出这种风格。

Because you would never be able to sell that if that cinema never existed.

比如，如果电影从未出现过，视频直接以肥皂剧那样的普通画质流行起来，然后有人突然说：嘿。

Like, if cinema never existed and video came around and then it was normal video, like soap opera style, and then someone came along and said, hey.

让我们把背景弄模糊。

Let's make it blurry in the background.

我们似乎已经习惯了这些缺陷，并且怀旧地将它们视为一种优点。

And let's, like, it's almost like we've become accustomed to the faults, and nostalgically, we look at them as if they're they're it's a positive.

而且现在所有东西都是用iPhone拍摄的，这已经成为人们熟悉的电影语言和语法，他们现在甚至在大片中也期待这种效果。

And and and it's also led by you know, everything is shot on iPhones now, and so that's becoming the cinematic vernacular, the grammar that people are used to, and they they now expect that in a big movie.

所以当你看到最新的詹姆斯·冈恩的《超人》或吉尔莫·德尔·托罗的《弗兰肯斯坦》时，你会发现它们用了夸张的广角镜头，完全没有畸变，而且景深几乎是无限的。

And so suddenly, you see something like the latest James Gunn's Superman or Guillermo del Toro's Frankenstein, and they've got these crazy wide lenses where there's no distortion and, you know, kind of infinite depth.

嗯。

Mhmm.

而且它们是用非常大的画幅拍摄的，但模仿的却是iPhone的效果。

And and they're shot in a in a very large format, but what they're replicating is an iPhone.

对。

Right.

我看了这两部电影，心想，好吧。

And it just I I I watched both of those movies, and I thought, okay.

这两部电影在技术上都非常出色，是由非常专业的团队制作的，但看起来还是像iPhone拍的片段。

Both of them are amazingly technically competent, and they're made by, you know, like, highly professional people, but, you know, it it looks like iPhone footage too.

我是吉尔莫·德尔·托罗的超级粉丝。

I'm a huge Guillermo del Toro fan.

我甚至喜欢他的书《The Strain》。

I even loved his book, The Strain.

这本书其实很不错，直到大约四分之三处，感觉他只是想赶紧把书写完。

Like, it was really it was really good till about, like, three quarters of the way through, and it seemed like he just wanted to finish the book.

是的。

Yeah.

大概吧。

Probably.

在书的最后四分之一，一大堆乱七八糟的事情突然发生，感觉特别突兀。

Like a bunch of shit just sort of just happens in the last quarter of the book where, like, this is kinda jarring.

到了吃饭时间。

It became dinner time.

简直就像，哦，对了。

It was almost like, oh, yeah.

把这个放一边。

Put this aside.

我要去

I'm gonna go

吃饭了。

just eat.

感觉就是，操。

Seemed like, fuck.

我实在没法继续读这本书了。

I can't keep going with this book.

这就是它的感觉。

It's what it feel felt like.

不过感觉太仓促了。

It felt rushed, though.

这只是我的个人观点。

Just my my opinion.

但我非常喜爱那位导演。

But I'm a huge fan of that guy.

我特别喜欢《潘神的迷宫》。

So I love Pan's Labyrinth.

我很喜欢他的很多电影，但我不喜欢《弗兰肯斯坦》。

I love a lot of his films, but I didn't like Frankenstein.

你知道的，我真的很喜欢吉尔莫，欣赏他的精神，他是个了不起的艺术家。

I you know, like, I love Guillermo, and I love his spirit, and I love his artist he is an amazing artist.

他作为一个艺术家，真的，他的素描本美极了，而且他把自己的满腔热情都倾注在作品中。

He's he's a just literally as a as an artist, you know, his his sketchbooks are beautiful, and he brings a great amount of passion to his work.

他把那种墨西哥式的热情带入了创作，我非常欣赏他这个人。

He he brings that kind of Mexican passion to his work, and I adore his him as a as a person.

但说实话，我对他的电影并不是特别着迷。

But to be perfectly honest, I'm not wild about his movies that much.

你，你知道，你不喜欢《潘神的迷宫》吗？

I, you know, I I You didn't like Pan's Labyrinth?

我喜欢其中的一些部分，但整体上，我不知道该怎么说，就是感觉有点不对劲，不过《刀锋战士2》可能是我最喜欢他的电影，因为虽然它确实有很多他的风格，但对我来说最易接受。

I I I liked parts of it, but as a whole, it just kinda and I don't know what it is, you know, about it, but, I mean, Blade two is probably my favorite film of his because it's like the least of of well, actually, it's quite a bit of him, but it's just the most accessible for me.

我不知道他还拍过《刀锋战士2》。

I didn't know he did Blade two.

就是那个帕顿·奥斯瓦尔特出演的，讲韦斯利·斯奈普斯那段的片子，后来他们换成了一个更帅的韦斯利·斯奈普斯？

Which one would that Patton Oswald was in where he had the the whole bit about Wesley Snipes, and then they replaced him with a cool cooler Wesley Snipes?

我觉得那是第三部。

I think that was three.

是的。

Yeah.

那可能是第三部。

It was probably three.

我不记得《刀锋战士2》了。

I don't remember Blade two.

我不记得《刀锋战士2》了。

I don't remember Blade two.

不过《刀锋战士1》真的很棒。

Blade one was awesome, though.

是的。

Yeah.

那是我最喜欢的超级英雄电影之一。

That's my favorite of all the comic book vampire well, comic book movies.

是的。

Yeah.

因为我一直是《刀锋战士》漫画系列的铁粉。

Because I I was just a giant fan of the Blade comic book series.

我也喜欢他的《环太平洋》电影，还有《弗兰肯斯坦》里我觉得特别棒的那段，那才是我眼中整部电影的核心。

I also like his Pacific Rim movie, and I like parts of like, the moment in Frankenstein that I think is, for me, the entire movie.

比如，我本来都可以把其余部分直接跳过。

Like, I could have, like, left the rest of it.

整部片子太忧郁了，你懂吗？

So much of it was just so melancholic and You know?

我就是完全没法投入进去。

It it was just like I just couldn't engage with it.

但我最爱的部分是他在米勒家学习语言的那段。

And but the part that I absolutely loved was at the Miller's house where he's learning language.

嗯。

Mhmm.

对我来说，那就是整部电影——他偷偷学习如何说话、如何做人，以及学习道德观念。

To me, that was the movie when he's kind of secretly learning how to speak and how to be and learning morals.

对我来说，我甚至愿意看一部完全围绕这个片段展开的电影，而且这部分拍得也非常精美。

And to me, the I could have watched an entire movie about that sequence, and it was also beautifully made, that part.

至于其他部分，我根本可以完全忽略。

Just the rest of it with I could have done without.

就是有点平淡。

It was just a little flat.

我不知道。

I don't know.

而且，它为什么这么长得离谱？

And, also, it's like, why does it have it's so freaking long.

比如，他本可以真正学到点什么。

Like, he could really, like, learn a lesson.

我想说，他本可以向雷德利·斯科特学习，人家剪辑起来干脆利落。

Well, I was gonna say he could learn a lesson from Ridley Scott who just clips through things.

比如，他一看到对话场景，就直接跳过去。

Like, he he takes, you know oh, there's a dialogue scene.

我就只做必要的部分，然后赶紧结束，就像个广告一样。

I'm just gonna do the essentials and just get out like it's a commercial.

这场对话场景根本不需要超过三十秒，他就能干脆利落地剪完。

This dialogue scene doesn't need to be any longer than thirty seconds, and he just clips along.

不知怎么的，他的电影还是长达两个小时。

Somehow, yet, his movies are still, like, two hours long.

因为它们太引人入胜了。

Well, they're so involved.

是的。

Yeah.

你知道我最喜欢的是什么吗？

You know what I really loved?

《诺斯费拉图》。

Nosferatto.

你看过新版的《诺斯费拉图》吗？

Did you see the new Nosferatto?

我没怎么看过，不想听起来像个挑剔的人，但我得处于对的状态，我想让你

I haven't you know, don't wanna sound like a persnickety guy, but I had to be in the right I want you

去挑剔。

to be persnickety.

我得处于

I had to be in the

对的情绪才能看这部电影，因为我喜欢那个导演的首部作品，《女巫》或《维文特》。

right mood to engage with that movie because I'm and I like that guy's first movie, The Vivint or The Witch.

嗯。

Mhmm.

我其实从来没看过那部。

I actually never saw that.

不过我听说它很棒。

I I heard it's great, though.

我超爱那部电影。

I love that film.

我觉得这是一部很棒的电影，他就像个美术设计师。

I think that's a great movie, and he's like a production designer.

他现在正在拍一部狼人电影。

He's doing a werewolf movie right now.

是的。

Yeah.

当然了。

Of course he is.

我

I'm

非常抱歉。

very sorry.

当然了。

Of course he is.

我喜欢好的狼人电影。

I love a good werewolf movie.

不像他那部像《白鲸》般的灯塔电影。

Not like his Moby Dickish lighthouse movie.

哦，我没看过那部。

Oh, I didn't see that.

那是威廉·达福主演的那部，是的。

And That was the Willem Dafoe Yeah.

就是威廉·达福演的那部。

The Willem Dafoe one.

只是太花哨了，我觉得中途就迷失了方向。

Was just just garish and kind of I felt like lost its way halfway through.

但接着，你知道，这部最新的《诺斯费拉图》。

And but and then, you know, this latest one, Nosferatu.

看吧。

Look.

我是个韦纳·赫尔佐格的粉丝，我特别喜欢韦纳·赫尔佐格，也特别爱他的《诺斯费拉图》。

I am a Werner Herzog nut, and so, like, I adore Werner Herzog, and I love his Nosferatu.

所以对我来说，要看这个人对这部作品的演绎，得看我是不是在对的状态下。

So for me to, you know, like, watch this guy's version of that, Which one would you in the right mood.

我得处在对的状态才行。

I have to be in the right mood.

我只是还没到能接受它的状态。

I'm I just wasn't yet in the right mood to accept.

哪一部是韦纳的版本？

Which one is Werner's?

谁演了诺斯费拉图？

Who who plays Nosferatu?

哦，是那位无可比拟的克劳斯·金斯基。

Oh, Klaus the the incomparable Klaus Kinski.

我知道我曾经

And I know I've

看过这部。

seen it.

我的意思是，韦纳·赫尔佐格拍他的《诺斯费拉图》时，你知道，默瑙的那部电影才是原版《诺斯费拉图》，由马克斯·舒莱克主演的第一部。

I mean, the thing about Werner Herzog when he made his Nosferatu, what's you know, the Murnau movie, which is the original Nosferatu, the the very first one with Max Shrek.

是的。

Yeah.

我

I

我十岁的时候在图书馆看过。

saw it at the library when I was, like Exactly.

十岁的时候。

10 years old.

韦纳·赫尔佐格作为导演的独特之处在于，大多数导演都能追溯到他们的前辈。

So the thing about Werner Herzog as a filmmaker is that most filmmakers have their forefathers that they can look back to.

他们可以，你知道，有前一代人可以借鉴和影响。

They can you know, they have a generation before them that they can kind of imprint on.

但由于第二次世界大战的残酷与悲剧，他没有任何前辈。

And because of the brutality and tragedy of World War two, he had none.

当时没有他可以仰望的德国电影人。

There were no German filmmakers that he could look to.

所以他只能把他的祖父——也就是茂瑙拍这部电影时——当作榜样。

And so he had to look to his grandfather, basically, which was Mernau when he made it.

因此，他的电影几乎被原版作品所萦绕。

And so his film is almost, like, haunted by the by the original.

然后，你知道，韦纳·赫尔佐格在十几岁之前从未使用过电话。

And then he bring you know, Werner Herzog grew up not using a telephone until he was in his teens.

他以前从未见过电话。

He'd never seen a telephone before.

他成长于巴伐利亚上部的山区，你知道的。

He had grown up, like, in, you know, upper Bavaria in in the mountains.

所以，他的电影几乎像是脱离了时代。

And, you know, so he he comes like, his film is almost displaced in time.

就像是跳过了一代人。

It's like skipped a generation.

他会做一些这样的事，比如在电影最情感激烈的场景中，当米娜和乔纳森·哈克在海滩上告别时，他却只展示两位演员的全景。

And he does things like you know, he'll show two actors in the most emotional part of the movie when Mina and Jonathan Harker are, you know, at the beach, and they're basically saying goodbye.

通常，在好莱坞电影中，他们会切到特写镜头，让我们看到泪水。

And normally, in a Hollywood film, they would cut to a close-up so that we could see the tears.

我们会切到那个特写镜头。

You know, we would cut to that close-up.

但因为他的电影——你知道的——时间上是错位的，所以他选择保持远景。

But because his film is you know, because he's displaced in time, he stays back.

他甚至懒得拍一个特写镜头。

Like, he doesn't even bother shooting a close-up.

对他来说，让两人只是作为孤立的身影出现在广角镜头中，反而更具忧郁感，确实如此。

To him, it's more melancholic to show them just isolated as figures, you know, in in a in a wide shot, and it truly is.

因此，他的电影在这一点上格外有力。

And so his film is is super powerful that way.

然后你还有克劳斯·金斯基，他是德国电影界出了名的疯狂演员，他和赫尔佐格之间有着一段关系——你知道的，有一部纪录片叫《我最好的敌人》，讲的就是赫尔佐格和金斯基之间的关系。

And then you have Klaus Kinski, you know, who is, you know, like, the the madman actor of of Durban cinema and who is, you know, who who who was like I mean, the there's a documentary called My Best Fiend, which which is about the relationship, you know, between Herzog and Kinsky.

在影片开头有一个精彩的场景，韦纳·赫尔佐格回到了他当年在柏林租住的公寓，那时他刚开始成为电影人，也第一次遇见了克劳斯·金斯基。

And there's an amazing scene in the beginning of that where he Werner Herzog visits the apartment that he rented in, I think it was in Berlin, that, you know, that where he was first becoming a filmmaker and where he first met Klaus Kinsky.

他回到那里，发现现在住着一对非常保守的德国夫妇。

And he goes there, and it's now occupied by these two, you know, just very conservative this German couple.

他开始在房子里四处查看，说：‘对，就是这里。’

And and he starts going through the house and saying, oh, yes.

这里就是克劳斯发疯的地方，他砸东西、在墙上大小便，你知道，因为他是个疯子。

Here, this is where Klaus, you know, went crazy, and he started smashing it and shitting on the walls and, like, he you know, like because he was an insane guy.

他的一切都围绕着挑衅展开。

He was like his whole thing was about provocation.

所以他塑造了一种近乎真实的吸血鬼形象。

And so he brings a kind of crazy vampire.

我的意思是，这感觉就像一个真正的吸血鬼。

I mean, it feels like a real vampire.

我现在想起来了，但我已经好多年没看了，那部电影是哪一年的？

I remember it now, but I haven't seen it for what year was that?

你是说基尼斯基那部吗？

You mean the Kinsky one?

是的。

Yes.

我觉得是七十年代，大概是1978年或1979年，甚至更早。

I think it was in the seventies, so I'm thinking it was, like, '78 or '79, maybe even earlier.

我记得我看过所有版本的《诺斯费拉图》。

I know I've seen all the Nosferatos.

让我想想。

Let me see.

给我点时间，我最终会看这部赫佐格的片子的。

Give me I will eventually see this Horizogs.

我最终也会看这部新片的。

I will eventually see this new one.

这他妈

It's fucking

很好，老兄。

good, man.

很不错。

It's good.

演吸血鬼的那个家伙叫什么名字？

The dude who plays the vampire, what's his name?

演里面小丑的那个家伙。

The guy who played the clown in it.

我的意思是，金斯基带来了惊人的

I mean, Kinsky brings just an amazing

深刻的共情。

deep empathy.

这都能让你血液中毒。

It could give you blood poisoning.

啊，这是英文版。

Ah, this is the English version.

求你了，

Please,

让我来吧。

let me do it.

这是世界上最古老的疗法。

It's the oldest remedy in the world.

算了吧。

Oh, forget it.

这简直不值一提。

It's hardly worth mentioning.

只是个小伤口。

Just a little cut.

你知道的，这都是为了你好。

You know, it's only for the best.

原版的

The original

混蛋。

jerk.

倒退。

Inverte.

是的。

Yes.

这太不可思议了。

It's incredible.

太棒了。

That's so awesome.

那大概是金斯基，你知道的，他们本该停下来，但金斯基却一直继续。

That's probably Kinsky, like you know, they're supposed to cut, and Kinsky just keeps going.

看看他。

And look at him.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，布鲁诺·甘茨，我觉得是布鲁诺·甘茨，现实中他可能吓坏了，因为他根本不知道。

I mean, Bruno Ganz, I think it's Bruno Ganz, is probably terrified in real life because he doesn't know.

金斯基够疯狂的，他真可能会咬他。

Kinsky's crazy enough where he'll bite him.

对。

Right.

然后他还戴着假牙。

And he's got those fake teeth then.

是的。

Yeah.

我们先坐一会儿吧。

Let's sit up for a while.

好的。

Alright.

给我看一下新片的片段。

Show me a clip from the new one.

你一定要看看新的《诺斯费拉图》。

You you gotta see the the new Nosferatu.

我的意思是，我以前从没见过那样的吸血鬼，然后我觉得《塞勒姆的女巫》是在电视电影之后拍的。

I mean, I had never seen a vampire like that, and and then I think Salem's Lot was made after the TV movie

《塞勒姆》和它非常相似。

Salem's is super similar to it.

是的。

Yeah.

有一个场景是他去城堡里遇见那个男人。

There's a a scene when he meets the guy at the castle.

我在线上看过一段这个电影的片段，莉莉·罗斯·德普在回应某件事时的表现非常引人入胜。

I did see one scene from this online with Lily Rose Depp kind of reacting to something which was, like, very compelling.

把画面全屏播放。

Go full screen to this.

这就是他进入城堡的时候。

This is when he makes it into the castle.

真的特别暗啊，老兄。

It's really dark, man.

他出色地捕捉到了那种诡异感，以及他被吸血鬼催眠后的超现实状态。

He did a fantastic job of, like, capturing the creepiness of it and also the surreal aspect of him being under the trance of this vampire.

你意识到现实已经全乱了、扭曲了。

You recognize reality is all fucked up and skewed.

比如，时间过得特别快。

Like, time passes very quickly.

这完全说不通。

It doesn't make sense.

他对自己所经历的一切感到极度困惑。

He's super confused as to what's going on.

我的意思是，这部电影仿佛被赫尔佐格版本所萦绕，就像赫尔佐格被茂瑙版本所萦绕一样

I mean, I have to say this movie feels haunted as haunted by the Herzog version as Herzog was haunted by the Mernau version as

如果这对我来说是延续的话。

if it's a continuation for me.

是的，会是这样。

It would be Yeah.

我觉得我鼓励任何人去享受这三部作品，我想。

Like, I encourage anybody to, like, enjoy all three of them, I guess.

对。

Yeah.

我在想，他是被那个版本困扰，还是被原版困扰。

I wonder if he was haunted by that or if I wonder if he was haunted by the original.

但这部影片运用了所有的

But this is, with the use of all

是的。

Yeah.

小小的帧步。

The little step frame.

现代能力。

Modern ability.

是的。

Yeah.

但他们建造城堡和塑造他的方式非常独特。

But it's just the way they made the castle and the way they made him is very unique.

它的许多方面我都觉得非常独特。

There's so many aspects of it that I thought were very unique.

就连吸血鬼吸取人血的方式也很独特。

Even the way the vampire feeds on people is unique.

这位导演是一位非常非常出色的电影人。

This guy is a he's a very, very, very good filmmaker.

我只是觉得你

I just you

迟到了。

are late.

午夜已过，我的双眼因熬夜而布满血丝。

The midnight hour has passed, and my attendance have worn red eye.

我不太了解他说话的方式。

I don't know so much about the way he's talking.

这有点奇怪，但越看越上瘾。

It's a it's weird, but it grows on you.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

它会越看越上瘾。

It grows on you.

我相信，随着时间推移，它会有一种挥之不去的氛围。

Well, I'm sure it has a, like, a haunting quality over time.

是的。

Yeah.

就像这样。

Like like this.

那个人突然消失了，下一刻却已经远远离开了。

The guy just disappears and all of a sudden, he's way far away.

这部电影里有很多这样的场景。

There's a lot of that in this movie.

所以当他们让他签文件时，他站起来走向那个地方的场景。

So the scene when they get him to sign papers, when he's get up to that

关于年轻人的问题。

Questions about the young

如果我告诉你们，我们这里仍保留着许多可能在你这样高贵的年轻人看来很落后的迷信。

If I tell we yet keep close many superstitions here that may seem backward to a young man of your high lord name.

当然。

Sure.

查尔斯王子当时居然在看这部电影时自慰。

Prince Charles was, like, jacking off to this film.

它在法庭上。

It's in the court.

天哪。

Oh, boy.

他们画了那幅画。

They made that painting.

嗯，他似乎每年都会去德古拉城堡一趟。

Well, he the he apparently, he visits Castle Dracula, like, every year.

他不是弗拉德·采佩什的后人吗？

Well, isn't he related to Vlad Tepes?

是的。

Yeah.

这并不让我感到惊讶。

It it doesn't surprise me.

我的意思是，他是德国人。

I mean, he's he's German.

他有德国血统。

He's of German ancestry.

所以我觉得查尔斯王子和最初的弗拉德·采佩什有血缘关系。

So I think prince Charles is related to the original Vlad the Impaler.

这说得通，你可以再往前推一点，这样他们就能

That would track You can go further ahead so they get

和那个吃婴儿的传闻联系起来。

track with the whole baby eating thing.

他们会给你展示一下那是什么样子。

They give you a look of what it looks like.

我觉得这可能会切断。

I think it cuts off probably.

我觉得这会把它切断。

I think this is gonna cut it off.

他们不想透露太多。

They don't wanna give away too much.

那还是另一件事。

That was the other thing.

比如，你很长一段时间都看不到他们的真实样子。

Like, you don't really get to get a look at them for quite a while.

而当你真的看到时，那景象令人毛骨悚然。

And when you do, it's horrifying.

是的。

Yeah.

这部电影用大量的阴影来呈现。

And the movie is made in washes of darkness.

嗯。

Mhmm.

非常黑暗。

It's very dark.

我的意思是，这是一部几乎全靠烛光照明的电影，我喜欢这一点，因为我讨厌那种明明在表现烛光环境却实际上光线充足的电影。

I mean, it's very much a candle lit movie, which I like because I don't like a film where you're pretending that people are in a candle lit, but it's really well lit.

而且这正是视频实际上更适合成为选择的例子。

Well and that that's that's an example of where video actually is is a better medium to choose.

对。

Right.

数字技术热爱黑暗，能够在黑暗中实现电影根本无法做到的效果。

It it digital loves darkness, and it can do things in darkness that film just doesn't have the capacity to do.

对。

Right.

因此这是一个绝佳的选择。

And so it's an excellent choice.

我们在拍摄《寂静岭》时做出了这样的决定：只要在黑暗场景中就用数字摄像机拍摄，而在白天场景中则用胶片拍摄，哦。

When we did Silent Hill, we made the choice of whenever we're in the dark, we're shooting on digital, and whenever it's during daylight, we're shooting on film Oh.

为了在两者之间制造一种不协调感。

To create a kind of dissonance between the two.

而这主要是因为数字技术擅长处理黑暗，这是对它的绝佳运用。

And so and and and that's largely because digital loves dark, and this is a great use of it.

我正在慢慢接受它。

I'm warming up to it.

我喜欢，我一直在等。

I like, I've been waiting.

我买了蓝光碟。

I bought it on on Blu ray.

我有这部电影。

I I have the movie.

我的意思是，我一直留着它。

I mean, I keep it.

它就在那堆里，我一直在等，等合适的时机去观看它。

It's in that stack, and I've just been waiting to you know, for the right time to expose it expose myself to it.

我非常喜欢它。

I love it.

在合适的心境下。

In the right mood.

我非常喜欢它。

I loved it.

我不是电影专家，但这是我最喜欢的吸血鬼电影。

I'm no film expert, but it's my favorite vampire movie ever.

嗯，这确实很有分量。

Well, that's that's that's actually saying a lot.

这太了不起了。

That's that's incredible.

我非常喜欢它。

I loved it.

这太了不起了。

That's incredible.

我觉得《三十天黑夜》是一部很有趣的吸血鬼电影。

My a fun vampire movie is thirty days of night.

是的。

Yeah.

《三十天黑夜》很棒。

Thirty days of night is great.

我也喜欢这一部。

I love that one too.

我的意思是，它没那么好

I mean It's not as good

没这部好。

as this.

这部是更好的电影。

This is this is a better movie.

《我是传奇》其实是一部相当不错的吸血鬼电影。

I am legend is actually a pretty good vampire movie.

就是威尔·史密斯主演的那部。

The the one with Will Smith.

嗯，我以为那是丧尸。

Well, they're I thought they were zombies.

嗯，严格来说，那是一部传染病题材的电影。

Well, they're kind of it's a contagion film, technically.

他们是

They're

并不是真正的僵尸，而是被变成了类似吸血鬼的生物。

not really zombies, but they've been turned into, like, vampire like creatures.

在那部电影里是这样的。

They're, in that film.

那是一部非常棒的电影。

That's a really good one.

还有那一部，叫什么来着？

And then that one that what's his name?

泰提基瓦卡塔卡拉卡塔卡？

Tai Tiki Wakataka Lakataka?

那位拍过《雷神》的波利尼西亚导演。

That Polynesian director who did the Thor movie did.

天啊。

God.

那部叫什么名字？

What was it called?

我们是……我想不起那部电影的名字了。

The we are I can't remember the name of it.

但那是一部关于吸血鬼的喜剧，他们好像都住在一起，那部电影是多久前的？

But it's like a comedy version of vampires, like, kind of all living in a house and and sort of How old is that?

这部电影应该是2000年代中期拍的，我想。

This was made in sometime in the mid two thousands, I think.

吸血鬼住在一起？

Vampires living in a house?

《吸血鬼生活》？

What We Do in the Shadows?

对。

Yeah.

《吸血鬼生活》。

What We Do in the Shadows.

你看过吗？

Did you see that?

没看过。

Nope.

这是一部超棒的吸血鬼电影。

That is an incredible vampire movie.

它有点像伪纪录片，讲的是一群吸血鬼住在一块，但把所有吸血鬼的传说都变得特别有趣。

It's kind it's kind of like a mockumentary, like, where they're they're they're but it's it takes all of the kind of vampire mythology, and it makes it really, really fun.

我从来没听说过这部片子。

I've never even heard of this.

太棒了。

It's fantastic.

这是他最好的电影。

This is his best film.

我相信他所有作品的基础都是《吸血鬼生活》，对我而言就是这部作品。

This is I'm sure the foundation of everything he's done has been on what we do for me, what we do in the shadows.

这太疯狂了。

That's so crazy.

我以前根本没听说过。

I never even heard of it.

是的。

Yeah.

它真的很棒。

It it's it's wonderful.

给我看看预告片，杰米。

Show me the trailer, Jamie.

在这部电影中，我们对血族对象享有保护。

We are granted protection on the blood subjects in this film.

哦，这就像《女巫布莱尔》那种风格。

Oh, it's like a Blair Witch Project type deal.

一直都是这样，迪肯负责洗碗，五年了都没动过。

It's been like this the whole time, Deacon on dishes, and it still hasn't moved in five years.

你是个酷 guys，但你在家里的分担不够。

You're a cool guy, but you're not pulling your weight in the flat.

哦，听到我说很酷，我很高兴。

Oh, I'm glad to hear that I'm cool.

不。

No.

但这不是重点。

That's not the point, though.

你错过了很多。

You're missing lot.

我知道。

I know.

开个会讨论你有多酷。

Meeting about how cool you are.

当三个吸血鬼住在一起时，显然会有很多紧张气氛。

When you get three vampires in a flat, obviously, there's going to be a lot of tension.

伊阿古是十八世纪的花花公子。

Iago was an eighteenth century dandy.

看。

Look.

一个幽灵杯子。

A ghost cup.

弗拉迪斯拉夫有点变态。

Vladislav is a bit of a pervert.

这是我的刑房。

This is my torture chamber.

迪肯喜欢团队里那个年轻的坏小子。

Deacons like the young bad boy of the group.

我本该交房租，但我没交。

I'm supposed to pay rent, but I don't.

当吸血鬼的麻烦在于，你必须被邀请才能进入。

The trouble with being a vampire is you have to be invited in.

走到船头来。

Coming to the bow.

不。

No.

我以为这远远不止是

I thought it's it's more than

你会邀请我们进去吗？

Will you invite us in?

我们需要一些新鲜的

We need some fresh

人。

people.

整部电影都是这样。

Whole movie is like that.

太棒了。

It's fantastic.

哦，这真有趣。

Oh, that's funny.

你会邀请我们进去吗？

Will you invite us in?

就请我们进去吧。

Just invite us in.

门卫说不行。

The bouncer's like, no.

他们对此无能为力，因为他们是吸血鬼。

And they can't do anything about it because they're vampires.

让对的人进来。

Let the right one in.

哦，好吧。

Oh, okay.

在所有现代吸血鬼电影中，我说的是，我没看过那个谁的？

That is of all the modern vampire movies I mean, I haven't seen the what's his name?

埃德加的？

Edgar's?

美国版的吗？

The American version of it?

不是。

No.

我讨厌美国版。

I hate the American version.

美国版的《让他们进来》太糟糕了。

The American version is let them in is terrible.

它简直让我看完后得用另一部电影洗洗眼睛。

It it like, I had to wash my eyes afterwards with another movie.

我并不介意。

I didn't mind it.

我讨厌那个版本，但我很喜欢

I I hated the the but because I loved

外国版。

the foreign version.

那个版本是哪个国家的？

The who who which country was it from?

我觉得是瑞典。

I think Sweden.

瑞典？

Sweden?

它真的很好。

It's really good.

这是一部杰出的电影，原著也非常棒。

It's it's an outstanding outstanding film, and the book is fabulous as well.

这是一部精彩的小说。

It's an amazing novel.

是的。

Yeah.

我就是喜欢好的恐怖片，制作精良的恐怖片，因为那种暂时搁置怀疑的感觉，本身就是观影乐趣的一部分。

I just love a good horror movie, a well made horror movie, because it like, the suspension of disbelief is, like, inherent to the enjoyment of the film.

比如，你知道的，就给我看看那个人是怎么变成怪物的。

Like, you know, like, just show me show me how the guy turns into a monster.

给我看看。

Show me.

对。

Yeah.

让

Make

它让

it make

就这样。

it so.

就这样吧。

Make it so.

而且，你也知道，他们一直在反复拍摄德古拉电影。

And and, also, you can see, you know, like I mean, they have been making Dracula movies again and again and again.

好像每年都会有一部新的吸血鬼电影上映，或者至少每两年就有一部。

It seems like every year, there's another vampire movie coming out or every couple years at least.

而且，你知道，市场似乎从未饱和过，从来不会被耗尽，对吧。

And, you know, there never seems to be an exhausted the market never seems to be exhausted Right.

被它耗尽。

By it.

你知道吗？

You know?

是僵尸电影。

It's zombie movies.

他们一直在持续拍摄。

They they continue making them.