#2455 - 唐奈尔·罗林斯

薄荷醇天然存在于胡椒薄荷和其他薄荷植物中。

Menthol is naturally found in peppermint and other mint plants.

它也可以在实验室中人工合成。

It can also be made synthetically in a lab.

薄荷醇会激活口腔、喉咙和呼吸道中对寒冷敏感的神经受体，在你吸入烟雾时产生一种清凉感。

Menthol activates cold sensitive nerve receptors in the mouth, throat, and airways, creating a cooling sensation when you inhale smoke.

它具有轻微且温和的麻醉和麻木效果，能减轻高温、刺激性香烟烟雾带来的疼痛和不适，使其感觉更顺滑。

It's a mild and a mild anesthetic numbing effect that reduces pain and irritation from hot, harsh cigarette smoke, making it feel smoother.

薄荷醇能抑制咳嗽反射，并减弱呼吸道刺激的早期预警信号，这使得吸烟者更容易更频繁地深吸。

Menthol can suppress the cough reflex and dull early warnings or early warning signs of airway irritation, which make it easier to inhale more deeply and more often.

薄荷醇能降低尼古丁和烟雾的感知刺激性。

Menthol reduces the perceived harshness of nicotine and smoke.

薄荷的味道和气味，加上清凉的触感，作为一种愉悦的感官提示，许多吸烟者将其与满足感和渴望联系起来。

The minty taste and smell plus the cooling feel act as a pleasant sensory cues that many smokers come to associate with satisfaction and craving.

薄荷醇可能改变尼古丁代谢以及尼古丁作用于大脑受体的方式，这可能会增强尼古丁的强化成瘾效应。

Menthol can alter nicotine metabolism and the way nicotine acts on brain receptors, which may increase nicotine's reinforcing addictive effects.

简而言之，薄荷效应并非来自尼古丁，而是来自添加的薄荷，它能冷却和麻痹呼吸道，掩盖刺激感，使香烟感觉更顺滑、更具成瘾性，但并不会让它们更安全。

In short, the menthol effect is not from nicotine, but from added menthol, which cools and numbs the airways, mask masks irritation, and can make cigarettes feel smoother and more addictive without making them any safer.

所以薄荷香烟吸引黑人群体，是因为它很酷。

So menthol cigarettes appeal to black people because it's a cool cigarette.

它就是很酷。

It's cool.

难怪这个品牌叫‘Cool’，因为它确实做到了。

What's gonna make so much sense why the brand cool cigarette because it makes shit that Right.

确实如此。

Makes

我猜这就是为什么他们叫它‘Cool’。

That's why they called it cool, I bet.

真够狠的。

Damn.

白人是怎么毁掉我的社区的，伙计？

What white people do to destroy my community, man?

毁掉所有人。

Destroy everybody.

是的。

Yeah.

他们根本不在乎任何人。

They don't give a fuck about anybody.

酷和冷。

Cool and cold.

一半根本不是宽体，也不是灵魂。

Half ain't wide body ain't soul.

温和不代表大胆。

Mild ain't bold.

酷不是酷，纽波特才是。

Cool ain't cool Newport is.

哦，因为那就像

Oh, because that was like

那种让酷变得酷的酷是因为

a The cool that makes cools because

人们过去常抽Cool香烟。

people used to smoke cools.

现在还有Cool香烟吗？

Do cools exist anymore?

在监狱里。

In jail.

只在监狱里？

Only in jail?

我觉得我觉得我不确定比例是多少，到底哪种香烟在掷骰子游戏中能换到更多钱。

I think that I think I don't know what the ratio the ratio is what what cigarette gets you more money in a dice game.

但每当我听到人们讲战争故事时，他们都会说，嘿，我用一包或一箱Cool香烟换了一袋多力多滋之类的，但在监狱里，一支Cool香烟的价值更高。

But whenever I hear people telling war stories, they like, man, I got a pack I got a carton of Cools for a bag of Doritos or something, but the value of a Cool cigarette is is is higher in in prison.

他们居然在监狱里发香烟，这不是很疯狂吗？

Isn't it crazy that they give you cigarettes in prison?

这太疯狂了。

That's crazy.

这是监狱里唯一能弄到的毒品。

It's like the only drug you can get in prison.

是的。

Yeah.

而且那些

And those

你弄不到酒精。

You can't get alcohol.

对吧？

Right?

不过你可以弄到自酿酒。

Well, you can get hooch.

你弄不到酒精，但他们自己酿

Well, you can't get alcohol, but they make their

自己做的那种，全都私下进行。

own type of It's all under the table.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

但我觉得在监狱里，最有价值的东西应该是坦格饮料，对吧？

But I think in prison, the things that hold the most value, I think it's tang, right?

就是那种人工调味的饮料。

It's that artificial flavored drink you do.

我觉得就是它。

I think that it's.

宇航员

Astronaut

对。

Yep.

香烟、多力多滋。

Cigarettes, Doritos.

我听说蜂蜜面包很有价值，还听说糖果棒也值钱。

I heard honey buns held their value, and I heard candy bar.

但糖果棒你得挑着来。

But candy bars, you gotta be particular with that.

因为据我听说，如果你给某人提供一定数量的糖果棒，

You because if you offer this is what I hear.

那我就理解为你在邀请对方与你发生性关系。

If you offer a person a certain amount of candy bars, then what I understand is that you're inviting them to have sexual intercourse with you.

有意思。

Interesting.

是的。

Yeah.

糖果棒。

Candy bars.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，你不觉得想要一些糖果棒吗？

Like, you I don't think Do want some candy bars?

这就像暗号。

And that's like code.

是的。

Yeah.

这就像糖果门。

It's like candy gate.

是的。

Yeah.

和披萨有关。

With pizza.

好时巧克力棒，就是这种好时巧克力棒。

Mister Goodbar from this Goodbar.

哦，好吧。

Oh, okay.

我认为这不仅仅是因为我有过那些经历，乔，而是因为我以前经常在街上走动，但现在不再这样了。

I think this is only not that I've had those experiences, Joe, but this is the times that I frequent the streets, which aren't anymore.

不太频繁，这些都是他们讲的故事。

Not too often, these are the stories that they tell.

有意思。

Interesting.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

这些事实你根本用不上，只是为了理发店里的闲聊，但这些正是我所进行的对话。

And these facts, you don't need them for anything but for barbershop talk, but these are the conversations that I have.

是的。

Yeah.

我听别人说过的一些事。

That I've I've heard people have.

不同品牌针对不同人群进行营销，这很有趣。

It's interesting how different brands market to different people.

他们是怎么弄清楚的呢？

And, I mean, how do they figure it out?

比如，他们到底靠什么？

Like, what do they work?

就是那种情况才真是恶劣。

Like, the that that's where it's evil.

对吧？

Right?

广告本身我没什么意见，但那种合法的误导性广告，确实有点奇怪。

Like, advertising itself, I don't have a problem with, but I did I there is something weird about deceptive advertising that's legal.

你懂的？

You know?

他们会分析人们喜欢什么的历史数据。

Well, they they do a history on what people like.

我之前看过或读过一个关于Forever 21创始人的故事。

I was watching or reading a story about the people that started Forever twenty one.

我忘了那个品牌叫什么了。

I forget what the brand was.

他们是来自韩国的一些人。

It was some Koreans from South Korea.

别跟金正恩那些人搞混了。

Not to be confused with Kim Jong Un in those people.

但他们原本是裁缝之类的。

But they were tailors or something.

他们开了一家小型精品店。

They started a small boutique.

他们会准备一些布料，特别留意人们喜欢什么颜色、什么卖得最好，等等，然后就采购这些。

And what they would do was they would have these clothing pieces of cloth and they would really pay particular attention to what colors people like, what was selling the most, whatever, and that's what they buy.

让Forever twenty one如此受欢迎的一点是，他们的衣服价格并不贵，但周转得非常快。

The one of the things that made Forever twenty one so popular because they had really inexpit the the clothes weren't expensive but they was turning them over so quick.

你知道，人们会做案例研究，看看什么能吸引消费者。

You know, so people do do case studies and see what people attracted to.

我知道对于黑人群体来说，只要在任何东西上撒点柠檬胡椒粉，都会卖到脱销。

I know with with black people, you you put lemon pepper on anything, it's gonna go out out the roof.

你可以用柠檬胡椒粉做鸡翅、炸薯条，任何加了柠檬胡椒粉的东西，他们都抢着买。

You could do lemon pepper, chicken wings, lemon pepper, french fries, anything lemon pepper, they're go.

我不知道是谁最先开始用柠檬胡椒粉的，但只要一用在食物上，黑人一定会买。

I don't know who started the whole lemon pepper but you lemon pepper, anything black people gonna buy it.

这很有趣，比如白人常被认为偏爱口味很淡的食物。

That's interesting, like, how white people are associated with very bland foods.

你知道的。

You know?

通心粉、奶酪、土豆泥、蛋黄酱。

Macaroni, cheese, mashed potatoes, mayonnaise.

你知道为什么你会和这种清淡的食物联系在一起吗？

And you know why you're connected with that blandness?

因为你是怎么发音的。

Because the way you pronounced it.

通心粉配奶酪？

Macaroni and cheese?

你永远不会这么说，如果你告诉别人，你要是被邀请去烧烤，乔，大家都会喜欢你。

You'd never ever say, if you tell somebody, if you say and you would be able to be invited to the cookout, Joe, you know, people like you.

如果你说，嘿，伙计们。

If if you say, hey, guys.

我要来参加烧烤了，对吧？

I'm coming to the cookout, Right?

而我说我带通心粉配奶酪来，你就会被取消烧烤的邀请。

And I'm bringing macaroni and cheese, you're gonna get uninvited to the cookout.

那我该怎么说呢？

What how should I say it?

通心粉和奶酪。

Mac and cheese.

通心粉和奶酪。

Mac and cheese.

是的。

Yeah.

你不能说‘通心粉和奶酪’。

You can't say macaroni and cheese.

从来没人这么说过。

Nobody ever does that.

好的。

Okay.

他们会把你当成间谍。

You would they would look at you as a spy.

你会被邀请，然后呢，会被

You would get invited and Well, get

我是另一种类型的白人，因为我是意大利人，我们和辛辣食物联系在一起。

I'm a different type of white person because I'm Italian, and we're associated with spicy food.

非常浓郁的味道。

Very strong flavors.

是的。

Yeah.

但这是不同的，意大利人不喜欢淡而无味的食物。

But It's a different Like, Italian people don't like bland food.

他们喜欢非常辛辣、味道浓郁的食物。

They like very spicy, very flavorful food.

我要带烤意大利面去烧烤。

I'm bringing baked ziti to the barbecue.

我会带意大利面去，你知道的。

You'd like, I'm bringing ziti.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yeah.

我会说烤通心粉。

I would say baked ziti.

是的。

Yeah.

因为通心粉有好几种做法。

Because there's different kinds of ziti.

你知道的。

You know?

有一种通心粉是烤着吃的，还有一种就是煮熟后直接配上番茄酱。

There's ziti that you bake and then the ziti that you just boil and put, you know, marinara sauce on.

尽管人们常嘲笑白人不会调味，但其实这种清淡口味有时能救命。

There's different kinds of As much as, you know, community make fun of white people and their lack of seasoning, that can save your life.

不会调味还能救命？

Lack of seasoning can save your life?

是的。

Yeah.

还有。

Also.

当你想到那些最具代表性的乡村家常灵魂食物餐厅时，你一尝就能立刻感受到的那一种成分就是盐。

When you think about you look at somebody one of the the most the country home cooked soul food spot, the one ingredient that's in everything that you taste right off the rip is salt.

盐有多好？

How good is salt?

对身体一点坏处都没有。

Bad for you at all.

全都是好的。

It's all good.

我觉得关于盐的说法都是胡扯。

Think salt is all bullshit.

如果你感觉有点不舒服，也没关系。

If you're feeling a little off, it's okay.

现在是二月。

It's February.

每个人在二月都会感觉有点不对劲。

Everybody feels a little off in February.

天更黑了。

It's darker.

天气更冷了。

It's colder.

你可能已经放弃了一些新年决心，但你不必等到春天才让自己重新振作起来。

You probably already gave up on some New Year's resolutions, but you don't have to wait till spring to get yourself right again.

一切从改变你的日常习惯开始，其中一个是g one。

It all starts with making small changes to your routine, and one of those is a g one.

这并不是什么重大的彻底重启。

It's not some big dramatic reset.

这只是你每天早上可以做的一件小事，在其他一切都乱糟糟的时候保持一致性。

It's one small thing that you could do every morning to keep consistent when everything else is chaos.

一勺，搞定。

One scoop, done.

G1可以帮助提升你的能量、改善肠道健康，并在阴暗的傍晚为你提供支持。

A g one can help support your energy, your gut health, and can support you through the darker evenings.

它从早到晚为你提供基础性的支持，而这一切都源于获取每日所需的营养。

It gives that foundational support from morning to night, and it all comes down to getting your daily nutrition.

它含有75多种成分，包括抗氧化剂、矿物质、益生菌和功能性蘑菇，有助于增强免疫系统和整体健康。

There's more than 75 ingredients, including antioxidants, minerals, probiotics, and functional mushrooms to support your immune health and overall health.

而这一年中的这个时候，它尤其能帮上大忙。

And this is the time of year when it can really help.

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If you wanna check it out, go to drinkag1.com/rogan, and you'll get three a g one travel packs, vitamin d three plus k two, and other gifts free in your welcome kit with your first subscription.

地址是drinkag1.com/rogan。

That's drinkag1.com/rogan.

盐是一种必需的矿物质。

Salt is an essential mineral.

你需要盐才能生存。

You need salt to survive.

盐并不是问题所在。

Salt is not the problem.

他们把盐和高血压联系起来，把盐和这个联系起来，但这些都不对。

They associate salt with high blood pressure, salt with this, salt with it's not true.

这完全是胡说八道。

It's bullshit.

哪种盐？

What type of salt?

是不同的盐吗？

Is it a different salt?

是不是像

Is it like

不是。

No.

不是的。

It's not.

盐对你没有坏处。

Salt's not bad for you.

首先，有加碘盐，这实际上对你有好处，因为它含有碘。

Well, first of all, there's iodized salt, which is actually good for you because it contains iodine.

他们在里面添加了碘。嗯。

They add iodine to it Mhmm.

这对你有好处。

Which is good for you.

但盐并不是什么坏东西。

But salt is not a bad thing.

我的意思是，你不应该摄入过多的盐。

I mean, you shouldn't have too much salt.

听着。

Look.

盐，如果你吃的话。

Salt, if you eat look.

如果你摄入足够的盐，可能会丧命。

If you eat enough salt, you could die.

总统来给我上这一课。

The president to educate me with this.

这么多年来，它

All of these years It's

这些人都

a it's a These people

脚趾被砍掉。

getting their toes chopped off.

不是这个原因。

That's not why.

不是这个原因。

That's not why.

如果你得了糖尿病，通常是因为糖。

If you're getting diabetes, it's usually from sugar.

好的。

Okay.

你知道，由于糖业收买了真正的科学家，导致了很多错误信息的传播。

You know, there's been a lot of misinformation that's spread because of actual scientists that were bribed by the the sugar industry.

对。

Right.

所以糖业支付了一大笔钱给哈佛的科学家。

So the sugar industry, they paid a bunch of Harvard scientists.

是哈佛。

It was Harvard.

对吧？

Right?

我相信是的。

I believe it was.

他们甚至没给多少钱。

They didn't even give them a lot of money.

是五十年代还是六十年代，杰米？

Was it the nineteen fifties or nineteen sixties, Jamie?

你还记得吗？

Do remember?

现在这一切都被揭发了，但他们当时试图把饱和脂肪以及含饱和脂肪的食物与心脏病联系起来。

So this has all been outed now, but what they did was they tried to associate saturated fat and and foods with saturated fat with being responsible for heart disease.

对。

Right.

他们这么做是为了把责任从糖身上转移开，因为糖对你来说简直糟透了。

And they did that to try to get the blame off of sugar because sugar is fucking terrible for you.

它在几乎所有方面都很糟糕，尤其是添加糖。

It's terrible in in basically every way, especially added sugar.

那为什么我们所说的这些疾病在黑人社区比在白人社区更普遍？

So why are all of these diseases that we speak of are more more happening in the black community than in white community?

是饮食问题。

It's diet.

完全是。

It's 100%.

糖。

Sugar.

是加工食品。

It's processed food.

是饮食问题。

It's diet.

是糖。

It's sugar.

是含糖饮料。

It's sugary drinks.

是糖的摄入量。

It's the amount of sugar.

比如，如果你说喝一瓶一升的百事可乐，这里面的糖分是允许的。

Like, if you say if you drink, like, a a a one liter Pepsi, the amount of sugar that is okay.

我们来查一下。

Let's find that out.

一升百事可乐里有多少糖？

How much sugar is in a one liter Pepsi?

如果你每天喝好几瓶这种饮料，我认为其中一瓶的含糖量就超过了你一天应有的上限。

If you drink several of these a day, one of them, I believe, is more sugar than you're ever supposed to have in a day.

百事是那个，所以才...

Pepsi is the one, and that's why

可能是可口可乐。

it be Coca Cola.

也可能是百事、激浪。

It could be Pepsi, Mountain Dew.

我觉得这简直就是一百份毒药。

I think it's 100 poison.

我觉得是100%的百事可乐。

I think it's 100% Pepsi.

百事可乐嘛，我不确定。

Well, Pepsi is I don't know.

百事可乐的糖分比可口可乐多吗？

Does Pepsi have more sugar than Coca Cola?

我不知道。

I don't know.

你知道吗，可口可乐是少数至今仍用古柯叶调味的饮料之一。

You know, Coca Cola is one of the only things that's still flavored with cocaine leaf.

糖含量，一升瓶装含有115到123克糖。

Sugar content, 115, a 123 grams in a one liter bottle.

这糖分也太多了吧。

That's a crazy amount of sugar.

相当于25茶匙，或者35块方糖。

25 teaspoons, 35 sugar cubes.

该死。

Goddamn.

这达到了推荐每日糖分摄入量的130%到138%。

That's a 130%, 138% of the recommended daily value of sugar.

人们得二型糖尿病就是这么来的。

That's that's where people are getting type two diabetes.

他们是因摄入过多糖分而得病的。

They're getting it from excess sugar.

尤其是液态形式的过量糖分，你的身体根本不知道该怎么处理，因为自然界中根本不存在这种形式的糖分。

Specifically, excess sugar, like, in a liquid form, your body does not know what the fuck to do with that because nowhere in nature do you get sugar in a liquid form like that.

就连橙汁也是。

Like, even orange juice.

没错。

Right.

人们以为橙汁对身体有益。

Like, people think orange juice is good for you.

不是的。

It's not.

比如喝橙汁，是的。

Like, drinking orange juice yeah.

你会获得一些维生素D，但其实是维生素C，同时还会摄入大量没有纤维的糖。

You're gonna get some vitamin d, but you're also gonna vitamin c rather, but you're also gonna get a gigantic dose of sugar that has no fiber in it.

但水果和蔬菜里的糖，和你从货架上买的糖不一样吗？

But is it a different type of sugar and fruits and vegetables than what you get off the counter?

你得到的是果糖，而不是高果糖玉米糖浆。

You get fructose rather than high fructose corn syrup.

你知道的。

You know?

听好了。

Look.

水果里的糖对你来说是最好的，因为它和纤维结合在一起，就像吃苹果一样，是一种缓慢释放的糖。

Sugar from fruit is the best sugar for you because it's attached to fiber, and that's that's a slow release sugar like if you eat an apple.

苹果对你来说并不坏。

And apples aren't bad for you.

这是你的身体摄取糖分的天然方式。

It's a natural way that your body consumes sugar.

亚当吃的东西并不坏。

There's not were bad for Adam.

我甚至不确定那是不是一个苹果。

I don't even know if it was a apple.

那是来自智慧树的果实，那棵树是

There was a It was a fruit from the tree of knowledge, the tree of

那是一个苹果。

It was a apple.

那是一个苹果。

It was an apple.

但那不是苹果树。

But it wasn't an apple tree.

圣经具体指的是哪一棵果树呢？

What it what specifically does the Bible refer to as the fruit tree?

还有夏娃。

And Eve.

亚当。

Adam.

你知道真相吗？

You know the truth?

什么？

What?

夏娃从来没有和上帝说过话。

Eve never talked to God.

亚当和上帝说过话。

Adam talked to God.

亚当告诉过上帝不要吃那果实。

Adam told God not to eat the fruit.

圣经中没有任何地方说亚当去告诉了夏娃。

There's nowhere in the Bible does it say that Adam went and told Eve.

这就是为什么我们不应该仅仅阻止女性听他的话。

This is why we should start not just shutting women down to listening to him.

这一切都始于

It all started off

《创世记》并没有具体说明亚当吃的是哪一种水果，只是称之为善恶树上的果子。

Genesis does not specifically specify rather what kind of fruit Adam ate, only that it calls it fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

是的。

Yeah.

所以它不一定是苹果。

So it's not necessarily an apple.

我们称它为苹果。

We call it an apple.

经文从未提及具体的物种，比如苹果、无花果等。

The text never names the species, apple, fig, etcetera.

希伯来语中的词是'peri'，这是一个泛指水果的通用术语，没有植物学上的细节。

The Hebrew word is peri, a general term meaning fruit without a botanical detail.

苹果这个想法的由来是，随着时间的推移，犹太教和基督教的解释者提出了许多候选水果，包括无花果、葡萄、石榴、香橼等。

Where the apple idea came from, over time, Jewish and Christian interpreters proposed many candidates, including fig, grape, pomegranate, citron, and others.

现在普遍认为苹果的说法后来在欧洲传统中发展起来，这得益于拉丁语和古法语中的文字游戏，其中'邪恶'和'苹果'或'水果'这些词的发音或拼写相似。

Now common ideas that an apple developed later in European tradition helped by wordplay in Latin and old French where the words evil and apple or fruit sounded or were spelled similarly.

所以它不一定是苹果。

So it's not necessarily an apple.

我真的不知道该相信什么，但我觉得来这里能获得更多信息。

I really don't know what to believe, but I feel like I get so much more information when I come here.

是的。

Yeah.

我不知道人们是否理解这一点。

I don't know if people understand that.

嗯，奇怪的是，我最近才发现这一点，因为我一直在读圣经，里面完全没有提到亚当告诉夏娃不该吃那棵能分辨善恶的树上的果子。

Well, the crazy thing is that I mean, I I've found this out recently because I've actually been reading the Bible that the there's no reference whatsoever to Adam telling Eve, you're not supposed to eat the fruit from the plant with with the knowledge of good and evil.

我从来不知道这一点。

I never knew that.

是的。

Yeah.

我只知道亚当和女人拿着一个苹果，之后一切都乱套了。

I just know It's just Adam woman with an apple and this shit got fucked up after that.

发生的事情是，上帝创造了亚当。

What happened was God created Adam.

这就是《创世记》所说的。

This is what Genesis says.

上帝创造了亚当，然后告诉亚当：去给所有的动物命名。

God created Adam and then told Adam, go and name all the animals.

等他做完这件事，亚当就造了夏娃。

And then when he was done with that, Adam made Eve.

但圣经里从未提到亚当告诉夏娃不要吃苹果。

But he never said it never says in the Bible, Adam told Eve, do not eat the apple.

谁在给我们这些错误信息？

Who's giving this us this misinformation?

《圣经》的问题在于，首先，它长期以来都是口传传统。

Well, the problem with the Bible is, first of all, that it was an oral tradition forever.

在被写下来之前，它作为口传传统延续了很长时间。

So it was an oral tradition for a long time before it was ever written down.

然后它被用多种古代语言记录下来。

Then it was written down in a bunch of ancient languages.

它被用古希伯来语记录下来。

It was written down in ancient Hebrew.

它也被用亚拉姆语记录下来。

It was written down in Aramaic Aramaic.

当你把古希伯来语翻译成其他语言时，首先是翻译成拉丁语，然后是希腊语，还有其他一些语言，也许是先翻译成希腊语。

And then when you translate ancient Hebrew to first, they translated it to Latin, and then they translated it to Greek and all these other maybe Greek first.

忘了哪个是第一个了。

Forget which one was first.

但无论如何，这些翻译都遗漏了大量原文的语言内涵。

But either way, the the translations miss a lot of the the language.

古希伯来语非常复杂，数字在古希伯来语中同时充当字母。

It's a very complicated ancient Hebrew is a very complicated language, and numbers double as letters in ancient Hebrew.

所以古希伯来语没有独立的数字系统。

So ancient Hebrew doesn't have numbers.

他们所有的词语都有对应的数值含义。

All their words have a numerical value to them.

你认为是什么让人如此与《圣经》产生联系？

What do you think makes people so connected to the Bible?

是因为人们渴望相信某种东西吗？

Is it because of wanting to believe in something?

是文字的力量吗？

In writing?

绝对是渴望相信某种东西。

Definitely wanting to believe in something.

而且具体来说，如果你看看耶稣基督的教导，如果你遵循它们，我认为这会带来更好的生活。

And then specifically, if you look at, like, the teachings of Jesus Christ, if you follow them, I think it'll lead to a better life.

我认为这会让你成为一个更好的人，成为社区中更好的一员。

I think it makes you a better person, makes you a better member of the community.

它强化了社区凝聚力。

It it reinforces community.

这是一种非常美好的生活方式。

It's like a really good way to live your life.

所以我认为，那些真正这样生活的人，他们是更优秀的人类榜样，这进一步强化了这种信念。

So I think the people that live that way, that actually live that way, they're better examples of human beings, so that makes it reinforced.

但也有许多其他宗教，人们信仰它们，却并不具备这些特点。

But it's also people there's a lot of other religions that people believe in that don't have those aspects to them.

人们渴望相信某些东西。

People wanna believe things.

人们甚至愿意相信像山达基教这样的东西。

People wanna believe in things even if you like like Scientology.

人们深信山达基教，而我们知道它是由一位科幻作家写的

People deeply believe in Scientology, and we know it was written by a science fiction author

是的

Right.

一位糟糕的科幻作家。

Who was a bad science fiction author.

L。

L.

罗恩·哈伯德写了一些糟糕的书。

Ron Hubbard wrote some terrible books.

这家伙就是不停地赶书出来。

Like, that guy would just bang books out.

他从不重写任何东西。

He never rewrote shit.

他所有的东西都是初稿。

He everything was a first draft.

就咔哒一声。

Just just clank.

他写的虚构作品比历史上任何人类都多，而他们还创造了山达基教。

He wrote more fiction than any human being that's ever lived, and they also wrote Scientology.

而且人们真的相信他。

And people believe in him.

但我确实觉得，就像你说的，当人们生活一团糟的时候，他们就想说，好吧。

But I do believe he I think people, like you say, people want to if your life is fucked or whatever, they want to be able to say, okay.

他是我的救世主。

This is my savior.

如果我相信这个，它就能把我引上正轨。

If I believe in this, it's gonna get me on the right track.

百分之百。

A 100%.

然后，就在刚才，Trusky 做了一个爆火的小品，对吧？

And then with that, with these like Trusky just did a skit that went viral, alright?

他是在讽刺那些大型教会和一切，但这些教会确实给了人们一些信仰，让他们感觉更好，同时还要向人们收费。

And it was like, he was making fun of the mega churches and everything but these churches like they give these people something to believe in, make them feel better, and they charge people.

你觉得应该实现政教分离吗？

Do you think that it should be a separation?

如果我，我的写作或演讲激励了你，让你想要做点什么，改变生活，实现财务安全。

If I if I inspire you, if my writings or my speeches inspire you to want to do something and change your life and be more financially secure.

你觉得这些人是否理应像某些机构一样，获得报酬？

Do you think these people entitled to like, okay, almost like agencies.

如果我帮你找到工作，带你走向成功，你是不是该给我一部分回报？

If I get you to work or get you there, should you hit me off?

还是说，把这些钱全部捐给大型教会，根本没什么错？

Or the mega churches, is this so wrong for me just to pour all their money to them?

还是说，他们只是给了人们一些可以信仰的东西？

Or are they giving these people something to believe in?

如果是这样，那我是不是也该分一杯羹？

If that's the case, do I supposed to get a piece of that?

我认为他们是在利用人们渴望信仰的心理。

I think they're preying on people's need to believe in things.

对。

Right.

我觉得他们非常具有掠夺性。

And I think they're very predatory.

这就是为什么他们乘坐私人飞机、驾驶劳斯莱斯、住在巨型牧场上的豪宅里，而这一切都是靠那些 barely 挣扎度日的人的捐款支撑的。

And I think that's why they're flying private jets and driving Rolls Royces and living in mega mansions on giant ranches, and they're doing it all off of donations to people that are barely getting by.

这占了很大一部分。

That's a lot of it.

我觉得这是一种合法的骗局。

You know, I think it's a scam that's legal.

如果我们生活在一个公正正义的社会，这种行为就不会是合法的。

I think if we were a just and righteous society, it wouldn't be legal.

对。

Right.

我的意思是，你在人们需要信仰的时候利用了他们，还向他们索要全部的钱。

I mean, it's you're taking advantage of people when they need something to believe in and you're asking for all their money.

比如，我记得我曾经在电视上看过一个家伙，传教士真是最糟糕的。

Like, remember I was watching this guy on TV once, like, televangelists are the worst.

这个家伙说，如果你身无分文，就应该借钱捐给教会，这样你会得到十倍的回报。

And this guy was saying that if you are broke, you should borrow money to donate it to the church and it will be paid back to you tenfold.

上帝会十倍地偿还你。

That God will pay you back tenfold.

然后他举了很多例子，说有人打电话进来，说自己欠了一千美元，但借了一百美元捐给了教会。

And then he had all these examples of people that did it and they would call in and say, I I was a thousand dollars in debt and this and that, but I borrowed a $100 and I donated it to you.

现在突然间，我开上了劳斯莱斯，这全是胡说八道。

And now all of sudden, I drive a Rolls Royce, and it's all horseshit.

但那些都是走投无路的人。

But those are all desperate desperate people.

走投无路的人。

Desperate people.

就是这些同样的人

Those are the same people that

是的

Yeah.

我打算每天花30美元买彩票，连续买个五十年，都不知道要花多少钱，这又是另一个骗局。

I'm gonna spend $30 on the lottery every day for, like, fucking fifty years and don't know how much That's another scam.

对

Yeah.

这又是另一个

That's another

不仅这是个骗局，彩票还有一个更大的骗局。

Not only is that a scam, here's the scam about the lottery.

比如说，如果每个人都往彩票里投钱，你买了100美元的彩票，杰米也买了100美元的，我也买了100美元的，那么彩票池里就有300美元。

Not only does like, say if everyone pumps money into the lottery, say you you buy a $100 worth of tickets and Jamie buys a $100 worth tickets and I buy a 100, So there's $300 in the lottery.

但中奖能拿到的钱根本不是300美元。

There's not even $300 available to pay you if you win.

对。

Right.

然后如果你中奖了，也拿不到全部奖金。

So and then if you win, you don't get all the money.

你会在很长一段时间内分期领取奖金。

You get the money over a long period of time.

对。

But Right.

对。

Right.

但如果你选择第二种方式，金额会显著减少，这里有个很好的例子。

But if you if you take the second option, it's a significantly like, here's a good example of it.

说到爱泼斯坦文件。

Speaking of the Epstein files.

说到这个，你什么意思

Here's What do you mean speaking of the

Epstein文件？

Epstein files?

Zoro信托。

Zoro Trust.

我不喜欢这个过渡。

I didn't like that transition.

你直视着我的眼睛，说起了Epstein风格。

You look me right in my eyes and said, speaking of the Epstein style

我们刚才在讨论。

We were talking about

在播客之前你就提过了。

it before the podcast.

你之前在说‘见到你’。

You were talking about see you.

不。

No.

Epstein根本就没来

Epstein did not fucking come

来看我。

to see me.

我喜欢你的节目。

Loved your show.

嘿。

Yo.

他是你的头号粉丝。

He was your he was the number one fan.

首先，我从来没有

First of all, I I never

他去过西区，你不知道。

He came to West You don't know.

听好了。

Look.

他们来西棕榈滩的即兴喜剧表演，是因为你是个著名的喜剧演员，而他住的那个城镇正好在演出地。

He they came to West Palm improv because you're a famous comedian, and you were playing in the town where he lived.

那你到底想说什么？

So what are you saying?

没什么。

Nothing.

但我想说的是，我实际上想说的是，爱泼斯坦中了彩票。

But what I'm saying is that I'm on I'm actually saying is Epstein won the lottery.

他的公司佐罗信托中了八千万美元的彩票，然后他们拿到了奖金，但实际到手只有三千万。

His company, Zorro Trust, won an $80,000,000 lottery, and then they pay they they took the payoff, and the payoff was only 30,000,000.

你是说彩票，还是指公司内部？

Ticket or you mean in within comp corporation?

你说到‘'时是什么意思？

What do you mean when you say

他的公司买了一张彩票。

They his company bought a ticket for the lottery.

真的吗？

Really?

是的。

Yes.

佐罗信托，那是他的公司。

Zoro Trust, which is his company.

他们中了彩票，这非常可疑。

They won the lottery, which is very suspicious.

还不止这些。

Not only that.

他是在被逮捕并因对儿童性侵或类似行为入狱后不久中了彩票的，不管是性手活还是别的什么，反正就是那些罪名。

He won the lottery right after he was arrested and went to jail for fucking kids or having sex or whatever whatever he was arrested for, sexual hand jobs, whatever it was.

性手活本身没什么问题。

So There's nothing wrong with the sexual job.

没错。

No.

但当她们是未成年女孩时，可能就不行了

But when they're underage girls, probably not

哦，我不知道这一部分。

Oh, I didn't know that part.

当他拿到彩票奖金时，公司拿走了这笔钱。

Then when he went and got the lottery money, the company took the payoff.

在8000万美元的奖金中，实际的 jackpot 只有3000万美元。

The payoff out of an $80,000,000 payment, the $80,000,000 jackpot was only 30,000,000.

所以如果你想要钱，你就拿3000万。

So if you want the money, you take 30.

之前

Before

所以他们不仅拿走了8000万中的5000万，你再想想有多少人花钱买了彩票。

So not only did they take 50 out of the 80, but then you think about how many people spent money buying lottery tickets.

这远远超过8000万美元。

It's way more than 80,000,000.

是的。

Right.

所以他们靠这个赚钱，然后又靠你想要一次性领取奖金而不是分期领取来赚钱，你知道的，就是那笔更大的钱。

So they make money off of that, and then they make money off of the fact that you want the payoff instead of the, you know, the over

所以无论奖金变成多少，都无所谓。

So they never could it doesn't matter what the jackpot becomes.

他们永远不会输。

They never could lose.

他们确实不会输。

They they can't lose.

因为他们偷钱。

Because they steal money.

从那些走投无路的人身上赚钱。

Money from people that are desperate.

这是一种合法的赌博，庄家永远赢。

It's it's legalized gambling where the house always wins.

对。

Right.

比如，我们来查一下这个。

Like, let's find that out.

比如说，我们找一个百万美元级别的平均头奖，看看实际有多少资金投入进去，人们花了多少钱，而 payouts 又是多少。

Like, let's say let's find an average jackpot of mega bucks and find out how much money actually goes into it, how much how much money people spend versus how much money the payout is.

所以这些彩票都是由州政府监管的，对吧？

So when this all lottoes are state regulated, right?

对吧？

Right?

我不知道。

I don't know.

我不知道是谁

I don't know who

监管？好吧。

regulates Okay.

所以他们从人们购买价值十亿美元的彩票中获得一亿美元。

So they get, say, they get a $100,000,000 from people trying to win a billion dollars.

这是因为州政府监管吗？他们是否必须为所获得的巨额资金向政府缴税？

It's because the state regulate do they do they have to pay taxes to the government for the money they A lot of?

不是。

No.

那是州政府的。

That's the state.

或者

Well, or

这是政府拥有的。

it's the the government owns it.

所以不仅是这样，你还要为此缴税。

So it's a it's a whatever the not only that, you pay taxes on it.

所以中奖者需要缴税。

So save the winner that pays taxes.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

当然。

Of course.

所以你拿到那三千万的奖金，实际上连三千万都拿不到。

So save you take that $30,000,000 payout, you don't even get 30,000,000.

然后你还得为这三千万缴税，政府也能从中获利。

Then you have to pay taxes on that 30,000,000, so they get money from that too.

所以他们根本不可能输。

So they can't fucking lose.

但对于一个连一千美元都很少见到的人来说，一看到上百万的奖金，他们肯定会兴奋不已，立刻就去参与。

But for a person that's never seen barely seen a thousand dollars anywhere, anything with million, they're gonna be excited about and take it before

他们才会去。

they go.

没错。

Exactly.

而且随着时间推移，大多数人是不会赢的，所以大多数人一直在往里投钱。

And over time, most people are not gonna win, so most people are dumping money into it.

有个年轻姑娘的故事。

There was a story of a young young lady.

我不太清楚具体是怎么回事。

I don't know exactly what it was.

我觉得她中了某种彩票，对方给了她两个选择。

I think she won some type of lottery where they they gave her two options.

她要么立刻拿到大约两三百万元，要么每个月领2万美元，直到她去世。

She would get I think it was like a payout of like 2 or 3,000,000 right upfront or they give her, I think it was like $20.00 every month for as long as she lived.

是的，就是这样。

Yeah, that's all

他们就是这么做的。

they do.

她选择了这个，虽然人们觉得这有点疯狂，但如果你考虑到她当时可能只有二十岁出头，而且她是白人，寿命可能长达132岁。

And she did this, well, people think that it's kind of crazy but if you consider the fact she was probably twenty twenty one, her life expectancy probably she was white, so she probably lived to a 132.

你明白我的意思吗？

You know what I'm saying?

她看起来像是，这其实是个很聪明的选择，但很多人不会理解这一点。

She looked like I that was a smart a lot people would not understand that.

这其实是个很聪明的选择。

That was a smart thing.

但我我确实我

But I I did I

我不认为这是终身的。

don't think it's for the rest of your life.

我认为是直到达到那个数额为止。

I think it's until it reaches that number.

我不认为他们会一辈子给你钱。

I don't think they're gonna give you money for the rest

你的余生。

of your life.

也许我只是看了标题。

Well, maybe I was reading the headline.

一种我并不了解的另一种彩票。

A different kind of lottery that I'm not aware of.

也许我认为只要她活着，就会一直持续。

Maybe I think it was something as long as she lives.

这听起来太疯狂了。

That sounds crazy.

是的。

Yeah.

好吧。

Alright.

在这儿。

Here it is.

典型的兆彩头奖运行情况。

Typical Mega Millions jackpot run.

彩票总收入通常是广告宣传头奖金额的数倍，但由于销售额随头奖规模变化巨大，并没有一个固定的平均值。

Total ticket revenue is usually several times the advertised jackpot, but there's no single fixed average because sales vary enormously with the jackpot size.

不过，你还是可以估算出一个大致的范围。

Still, you can get a good ballpark.

所以，大约50%的彩票收入会进入总奖金池。

So around 50% of ticket revenue goes into the overall prize pool.

所以政府一开始就直接拿走了50%。

So the government makes 50% right off the bat.

对。

Right.

所以如果奖金是1亿美元，他们已经赚了1亿美元。

So if it's a $100,000,000 payout, they already made a 100,000,000.

所以这2亿美元就是他们赚到的。

So this $200,000,000 is what they made.

他们为每个人投入了一亿美元。

They throw in a $100,000,000 for everybody.

在这一奖池中，大约三分之二到四分之三用于 jackpot，其余部分用于较低奖项的奖金。

Of that prize pool, roughly two thirds to three quarters is allocated to the jackpot with the rest funding lower tier prizes.

所以即使总奖池有两亿美元，其中一亿美元里也只有三分之二进入头奖。

So that means even if there's $200,000,000, out of a $100,000,000, only two thirds of it goes into the the big jackpot.

这意味着 jackpot 通常大约是总销售额的三分之一，而在这三分之一中，比如这次是一亿美元，或者在埃普斯坦案中是八千万。

And that means the jackpot is typically in the order of one third of total ticket sales that run, and then out of that one third, so say if it's a 100,000,000 or with the Epstein case, it was 80,000,000.

他领取了三千万的奖金，而他们又额外赚了五千万。

He took the payout, which was 30,000,000, so they make 50 on top of that.

除此之外，你还要对这三千万缴税。

And then on top of that, you pay taxes on that 30.

这简直是个疯狂的骗局。

It's a crazy scam.

那钱怎么花？

Do with the money?

他们想干嘛就干嘛。

Whatever the fuck they want.

我觉得他们可能会告诉你。

Think they probably tell you.

我觉得在某些社区，他们可能会故意往社区里投放一定数量的中奖彩票，就是为了让你上瘾，继续去那里花钱。

Think that in certain neighborhoods, I think they probably pump a certain amount of winning tickets into a neighborhood just to get you addicted to keep going in there and spend your money.

但按说应该是随机的。

Well, it's supposed to be random.

你知道的。

You know?

我不清楚监管力度有多大。

I don't know how much oversight.

听好了。

Look.

如果像杰弗里·爱泼斯坦这样的人都能中奖，那监管到底有多严呢。

If a guy like Jeffrey Epstein can win, I don't know how much oversight is it.

我知道以前住在波士顿时，怀蒂·布尔格赢过。

I know back in Boston when I lived there, Whitey Bulger won.

看看这是否属实。

See if this is true.

我觉得他中过两次彩票，这太疯狂了。

I think he won the lotto twice, which is crazy.

怀蒂·布尔格是谁？

Whitey Bulger, who is that?

那是

That's a

怀蒂·布尔格是上世纪八十年代我住在那会儿，南波士顿的黑帮头目。

Whitey Bulger was a South Boston mob boss in the nineteen eighties when I lived there.

上世纪八九十年代。

The nineteen eighties and nineties.

黑帮头目？

A mob a mob boss?