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乔·罗根的播客。
Joe Rogan podcast.
你去看看。
Check it out.
乔·罗根体验。
The Joe Rogan experience.
记录我这一天。
Showing my day.
晚上听乔·罗根播客。
Joe Rogan podcast by night.
一整天都是。
All day.
老兄，最近咋样？
What's happening, man?
见到你真好。
Good to see you.
是的
Yeah.
见到你真好，老兄。
Good to see you, man.
现在走向那个话筒，先生。
Pulling up to that microphone, sir.
好的。
Alright.
去年你和麦康纳那期简直太棒了。
You were fucking great at that McConaughey thing last year.
我特别喜欢那期。
I really enjoyed that.
那是我第一次看你现场表演。
That was my first time seeing you perform live.
真的太酷了。
It was really cool.
谢谢。
Thank you.
真的特别棒。
It was very cool.
你在台上特别放松啊，哥们。
You're so relaxed up there, man.
感觉你一下子就把全场人都带进了一个特别舒服、悠闲的氛围里。
So it was like you brought everybody into a nice, like, comfortable, chill vibe.
挺棒的。
It was cool.
你们有这种感觉我真高兴。
I'm glad you guys felt felt that way.
有时候我得花点时间才能找到感觉。
Sometimes it's it takes me a minute to get into the groove.
你懂的。
You know?
是的
Yeah.
但感觉就是那样。
But it felt like that.
你知道的。
You know?
感觉你完全投入进去了。
It felt like you were in it.
就像，你把整个现场的人都带进去了。
Like, it brought us it brought the whole crowd into it too.
他办的那些活动，两个，一个是歌手 songwriter 的，另一个是拍卖那些的，是吧。
That that event that he does, the two events, the one the singer songwriter one and then the other one with the the auction and everything Mhmm.
特别棒。
They're so cool.
真是不错的活动。
Such good events.
是的。
Yeah.
他们人也特别好。
They're good people too.
你懂的。
Know?
我真的越来越欣赏这里奥斯汀和山地地区整个社区的氛围了。
It's I really grown to just appreciate the community around here in Austin and the Hill Country area and all of that stuff.
要不是有这儿的社区这么支持词曲创作者和音乐，我真不敢想象自己会有今天的职业生涯，这太了不起了。
I definitely wouldn't have the career, I don't think, if I wouldn't have been for the community around here that just support songwriters and music and the way that they do, it's pretty incredible.
你懂的。
Know?
一旦大家真支持某件事，那种众人齐心协力的感觉，真的特别温暖。
When they get behind anything, it's just like it just feels so good to see that many people come together and and, know, have that support.
你懂的。
You know?
这地方真不错，老兄。
It's a really good place, man.
奥斯汀的氛围真的很好。
Austin is a really good community.
确实如此。
It really is.
在很多方面都是个特别积极的地方。
A very positive place in a lot of ways.
是啊。
Yeah.
我的意思是，哪有十全十美的地方。
I mean, nothing's perfect.
哪儿都没那么完美，但这儿真的挺棒的。
There's no perfect places, but it's it's really good.
对。
Yeah.
我可太喜欢这儿了，比当年在加州住的时候强多了。
I like it so much better than when I was living in California.
对啊。
Mhmm.
这儿的人特别真实。
It feels like real people.
我真的好怀念啊，老兄。
Just I miss it, man.
我其实正在搬回德克萨斯呢。
I mean, I'm I'm I'm move in the process of moving back to to Texas as well.
你现在住哪儿？
Where are you at right now?
在达拉斯外头，靠近泰勒那块儿。
Outside of Dallas, Texas, out by Tyler.
不过我之前待在洛杉矶的托潘加峡谷，天哪，都好长时间了。
But I've I've been in, Topanga Canyon in LA for Oh, Jesus.
你懂的。
You know?
所以我一直陷在那儿。
So I've been in the middle of it.
而且
And
搞那些好莱坞的玩意儿。
Doing that Hollywood thing.
每当我跨过州界，整个人一下子就轻松了，心里直喊：哎呀，终于回来了。
Every time I get across the state line, it's just like that weight comes off, and you're like, oh, man.
我到家了。
I'm I'm home.
你懂的。
You know?
没错。
So yeah.
老兄，你在《黄石》里演的那个角色简直太酷了。
Dude, you had the coolest fucking character on Yellowstone.
演起来肯定特别爽吧。
It was such it must be so fun to play.
真的超好玩的，兄弟。
It was so much fun, man.
我每次演都忍不住笑出来。
I had to I I laugh.
我老是跟人聊起这个角色。
I always talk about it.
我觉得自己在那儿算是最轻松的了。
I kinda felt like I had, like, one of the easiest jobs there.
你知道吧？
You know?
因为我的角色戏份其实没多少。
It's because my the character was kind of a smaller role.
你懂的。
You know?
大部分时间我每周就拍一两天，剩下的时间就去溪边钓鱼，钻进山里，彻底消失一阵子。
Most of the time, I'd I'd work, like, one or two days a week, and then the rest of time, I'd just be, like, fly fishing and get lost in mountains and just disappear out there.
是啊。
Yeah.
那真叫一个爽。
It was awesome.
天哪。
God.
蒙大拿确实棒。
Montana's awesome.
但这部剧确实让很多人搬去了那儿。
That show made so many people move out there, though.
我知道。
I know.
你走之前得把车牌拆了
You're gonna take
别让车还挂着加州牌照
your license plate off your car before you go.
对
Right.
可别挂加州车牌
You better not have a California plate.
千万别
Better not.
他们可会在你引擎盖上乱写东西
They will fucking write things on your hood.
逼得你没法开车
Run you off the road.
是啊
Yeah.
他们可生气了。
They get upset.
这事儿真有意思。
It's very interesting.
我特别以蒙大拿为荣。
Very proud to be from Montana.
是啊。
Yeah.
他们就想自己藏着掖着。
They wanna keep it to themselves.
别揪着不放了，滚蛋。
Like, let it go, motherfucker.
咱们都是美国人，对吧？
We're all Americans.
明白吗？
Alright?
如果你有个好地方，别人加州人找着了你也该高兴才对。
If you got a good spot, you should be happy that people from California figure it out.
是啊。
Yeah.
别这么小气。
Don't be a dick.
你可是美国人，老兄。
Like, you're American, bitch.
美国又不是蒙大拿一家的。
You're not it's not The United States Of Montana.
闭嘴吧。
Shut the fuck up.
我觉得哪儿都行吧。
I guess it's kinda anywhere.
对吧？
Right?
你懂的。
You know?
这儿没多少人。
Not that much here.
是啊。
Yeah.
这儿挺吸引人的。
Here's pretty inviting.
我在这儿从来没经历过那种事。
I've never had that experience here.
对。
Yeah.
还真没有。
Not really.
德克萨斯人挺热情的。
Texas is a pretty friendly place.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
而且有那么多不同背景的人，早就在这儿扎根了。
And there's so many different walks of life that have that have been here for so long.
你知道的。
You know?
我觉得像蒙大拿那边啊，老兄。
I think up there in Montana and stuff, man.
要是当年能熬过那儿的冬天，还占下地盘，那肯定得拼命争取，现在的人也还在拼呢。
If you were tough enough to survive those winters and stake a claim up there back in the day, you had to fight for it, and they're still fighting for it now.
你知道的。
You know?
这倒说得通。
That does make sense.
我的意思是，整个《黄石》系列，包括哈里森·福特演的那些老剧，其实都特别清楚地展现了这一点。
I mean, that's also one of the things that's highlighted by the whole series, all the different Yellowstone series, the older ones with Harrison Ford and, you know, it they really do explain in a lot.
说真的，看看这段历史挺有意思的，想想当年那些人是怎么活下来的——那时候，你啥都没有，就靠个壁炉。
I mean, it's kind of a a cool chunk of history to see, like, how this all got started, how the kind of people that had to survive out there when, you know, you all you got is a fireplace.
是啊。
Yeah.
就这些。
That's it.
你只有一个壁炉。
You got a fireplace.
你根本就……
You just don't
我超爱那些山地拓荒者的故事，比如吉姆·布里杰之类的。
I love all those mountain end stories, you know, Jim Bridger and all that stuff.
真的，太震撼了。
It's just like, man.
而且确实有种感觉。
And there is something.
你一上到那些山里，山气就往骨头里钻，往血里渗，这感觉完全不一样，老兄。
You get up there in those mountains, they get into gets in mountains, into your bones, it gets into your blood, and it's a it's a different thing, man.
那是个有灵性的地方。
I it's a spiritual place.
没错。
It is.
而且这简直是最有力量的艺术。
And it's also it's like the most potent art.
就是大自然的艺术。
Like, it's it's nature's art.
你平时不觉得这是艺术，但天啊，美得让人窒息。
And you don't think of it as art, but god, it it's so beautiful.
就像，有时候你站在山上，真得停下来瞅一眼，天哪，这也太美了。
It's like stunt like, sometimes when you're up there, you just have to stop and look like, god, this is gorgeous.
那种感觉特别强烈，真的让人震撼。
And It's overwhelming if you have a has a it gives you a feeling.
那种美简直像毒品一样，一下子击中你。
There's like it's a almost like a drug that hits you because of the beauty of it all.
对。
Mhmm.
你抬头看着湛蓝的天空，云朵飘在山间，底下峡谷里还有一片湖。
Like, you take it in with the blue sky, you see the clouds in the mountain, and maybe there's a lake below you in the canyon.
天啊。
You're like, god.
这也太美了。
This is gorgeous.
是啊。
Yeah.
这种感觉好像刻在你骨子里，真的。
It's like you're you feel it in your your DNA, man.
对。
Mhmm.
你的身体其实知道，这儿是个充满生机的美丽地方。
It's like your your body knows, like, this is a fertile, beautiful place that's filled with life.
是的。
Yeah.
这本该让你感到兴奋。
And this should excite you.
你所有天生的本能都会告诉你：这儿才是你该待的地方。
So all your natural human reward instincts are all like, this is the place I should be.
对。
Yeah.
你看那天空。
Like, look at the sky.
再看看那湖水。
Look at the lake.
看看那些山。
Look at the mountains.
这儿可肥沃了。
This is fertile.
这地方真有生命力。
This is like life giving.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
好几年前，我去那儿上过一门向导课，就是那种猎区向导培训。
Several years ago, I went to a guide school up there, like a hunting guide
课程。
school.
没错。
Mhmm.
那是一整支驮队。
And it was a whole pack squad.
我从小在牧场长大，干过牛仔活，但真没去过那些山里头。
Part of it was I grew up cowboying and ranching, but I've never really been up there in those mountains like that.
我老爸老是幻想着有这么一天。
And my dad would always fantasize about that.
我们总聊，哪天一定要去蒙大拿来一趟驮队旅行，还老看《孤勇者》那些片子，对吧。
We'd talk, you know, one day we're gonna go on like a pack trip up in Montana and, you know, we'd watch all those movies like Lonesome Dove and Mhmm.
所有这些事儿。
All of that stuff.
所以一直就只是个梦而已。
So it was always just kind of a daydream.
好几年前，我被音乐的事儿压得喘不过气，完全不知道下一步该干嘛。
And years ago, I was just kind of overwhelmed with music stuff and all that and didn't what know what I was gonna do.
后来我就想，不如去那儿走一趟，试试驮队旅行，结果一查，发现有个叫‘皇家泰恩 outfitters’的地方，他们说：‘行啊，我们可以带你去驮队旅行，不过我们这儿还有个六周的培训课程，专门教人当向导。’
I ended up I just wanted to go up there for a trip, know, maybe go on a pack trip and I started looking up places and I found this place called Royal Tyne Outfitters and they're like, yeah, you know, we come up and you can take take you on a pack trip or but we also have like this six week school, you know, that you can train to be a guide.
全是骡子驮运，各种各样的事儿，我当时就想，天啊，我一定要报名，结果这彻底改变了我的人生。
It's all mule pack and all kinds of stuff, you know, and so I like, man, I'm gonna sign up for that, you know, and it was life changing.
我们班就六个人，一待就是几周，整天在深山老林里给骡子和马匹装货，
There's only six of us in the class and, you know, spent weeks back in the backcountry packing mules and horses and
天哪，真厉害。
Oh, wow.
晚上我们就用绳子把两棵树绑起来，挂个防水布当床，还总得安排两个人轮流守夜，照看马匹。
We just tie a rope between two trees with a tarp for sleeping at night and always post up a couple of guys to watch over the horses at night.
我记得有一回早上醒来，虽然是六月，但我们深陷在山里，一睁眼，外面居然下起了雪。
And I remember one morning I woke up, it was in June, you know, but we were way back in there, and I woke up and the snow was coming down.
我慢慢抬起头，看着那些马，雪花一片片落在它们的背上。
And I just kind of raised my head up and I was looking out at the horses and the snow was just falling down on their backs.
就在那一刻，我心里突然冒出个念头：我可能再也回不去了。
And there was that moment in me, was like, I don't know if I'm ever going back.
你知道吧？
You know?
我当时就觉得，对，我就该在这儿，这才是我该待的地方。
I was like, this is right where this is where where I need to be.
没错。
Right.
从那之后再回到文明社会，真有点儿不适应。
It was it was tough to come back to civilization after that.
我觉得，我们人类在文明里头，其实对自己做了点啥，自己都看不清，因为太沉浸其中了。
I think we're doing something with ourselves to ourselves with civilization that we can't really fully appreciate because we're wrapped in it.
只有当你走进大自然，那种压在心头的负担才突然一下全没了，真的。
And it's not until you get to nature where all that weight just gets lifted off of you Mhmm.
你会觉得，这才叫正常。
And you just feel more normal.
然后你就会想，哦，人本来就应该这样活着。
And you're like, oh, this is where people are supposed to be.
是的。
Yeah.
你知道，一点手机都没有。
You know, no phones.
啥都没有。
There's no nothing.
一点干扰都没有。
No distractions.
你所有的感官都变敏锐了，视力、听力、嗅觉，全都升级了。
And it's just like you all your senses heightened, your eyesight, your hearing, sense of smell, like, all of that stuff.
我记得刚进去的时候。
And, you know, I remember going into it.
说实话，我真不知道会是啥样。
Know, I I didn't know what to expect really.
我以前也露过营，也从小在牧场长大，这些都经历过。
I've done some camping and things like that and grew up ranching and all that.
但这次完全不一样。
But this was a way different deal.
我记得当时背了个超重的背包，你懂的。
I remember I just had this, like, backpack full of gear, you know?
等我从那儿出来的时候，真就觉得只要一把剪刀、能生火的东西，别的啥都不需要了，你知道吧。
And by the time I got out of there, like, I just felt like all I needed was a pair of scissors and some way to start some fire, you know, and that was about it.
是的。
Yeah.
我跟着一个哥们儿。
I followed this one dude.
天啊。
God.
我正努力想他叫啥名呢。
I'm I'm trying to remember his name.
Clay，你帮我查一下，我超爱看他的视频。
Clay let me let me pull it up because I really enjoy his his videos.
这人住那儿，好像是阿拉斯加吧，但他跑遍了美国各地，到处转悠。
But this dude, he lives I believe he lives in Alaska, but he does a lot of trips in America, like, over America Mhmm.
他在美国本土48州，一个人跑到那种特别恶劣的环境里住着。
In the Lower 48, and he goes and, like, lives by himself in some kind of harsh environment.
对。
Mhmm.
他就在沼泽地里待过，克莱，你记得那片雾蒙蒙的地方吗？
Like, he's done it in the swamps, clay haze.
就是他。
That's it.
他会不会带着孩子一起去？
Does he, like, take his kid out there?
他孩子跟着呢。
He The kids with
我觉得他有带孩子。
believe he has.
他带着狗，不过很多时候他完全是独自一人去的。
He's taking his dog, but a a lot of times he just goes entirely by himself.
原来是这样。
Mhmm.
挺有意思的。
And interesting.
他都是自己生火的。
Like, he starts his own fire.
还会自己想办法找吃的。
He'll figure out how to get food.
他自己摸索出了净水的方法
He figures out how to purify water.
他还处理过海水，自己做了一套装置把海水蒸馏成淡水、去掉盐分，没错
He's taken salt water and made his own thing that kinda distills it into fresh water and removes the salt Yeah.
具体就是用一段竹子架在火上，把海水装在竹子里煮，让水蒸发后凝结滴下来，这样出来的水就不带盐了，挺神奇的
Like, slowly by using a a piece of bamboo and fire and boiling the water in the bamboo so that, like, the water evaporates and then drips down, and it doesn't have salt in it apparently.
对的
Yeah.
我超爱这种东西。
I love that stuff.
我也超爱。
I love it.
我的意思是，会这些技能，不管用不用得上，光是知道怎么做到，就特别酷。
I mean, just to have those skills, just to know how to do it, like, whether you'll ever need it or not, just to know how to do that, it's just so cool.
我记得那个向导学校，内容可太丰富了，简直太棒了。
I remember in that guide school, there's a lot of different parts to it, which was so cool.
我们整整一周都在学野外急救。
We did a whole week of backcountry wilderness first aid.
有个急救员来教我们各种知识，然后还有一整周学皮革制作，一整周骑马射击，还有飞蝇钓鱼、昆虫学，一堆小技能，但最让我印象深刻的，是刚去那会儿学的钻木取火。
Know, a guy had a paramedic come in and teach us all this stuff and then it was a whole week of just leather work, there was a whole week of shooting horses, there was fly fishing and entomology and all these little skills, but one thing that really stuck with me was a fire building of drill when we started.
那会儿我们刚到，天气特别潮，刚下过雪，就我们六个人，都是从全国各地来的。
It was kind of right when we first got there and it was pretty wet and it had been snowing and there's only six of us, know, and we're guys from kind of all over the country.
我从小在新墨西哥和西德州长大，那儿可干了，生火那都是基本操作。
I grew up in New Mexico and West Texas where it's pretty dry, you know, and you kinda build a fire.
你随便捡点小树枝，就能把火点起来，他当时说：好了。
You can kinda just take some little small twigs and get a little fire So going, you he goes, alright.
你只有两分钟时间生火，还得让火焰烧到三四英尺高。
You got two minutes to build a fire and you need to have, you know, like a flame to be three or four feet high.
我满地乱跑捡树枝枯叶，手里明明有打火机，可就是点不着。
And man, I'm running around grabbing like little sticks and twigs and I'm just and we have a lighter too, know, I'm just struggling.
光冒烟，怎么也烧不起来。
It's just smoking and I can't get it going.
我一扭头，看见班上有个来自阿拉斯加的小子，直接冲到一棵枯松树旁，掰下一大枝干松针，打火机一按，五秒钟内就烧起一堆大火。
I look over and there's a kid from Alaska in the class and he just runs over to this big dead pine tree and just breaks off the biggest branch of dead pine needles and takes his lighter and just within like five seconds has this massive fire going on.
那一刻我才明白，原来生火是这么回事。
Was like, that's how you do that.
原来掌握这些小技巧，真的太关键了。
And it was so just the littlest things to have that knowledge.
他当时跟我们和教练解释说：假设你带人去打猎，碰上个老人家，或者有人受伤了，被困在山里，外面还下着雪。
Part of it was he was explaining to us the instructors like, Yeah, if you're out here with your guiding somebody that's hunting, maybe he's an elderly guy or somebody gets hurt and you get caught back in the mountains and it's snowing.
赶紧生个火，先把人暖和起来再说。
It's like, better get a fire going and keep them warm real quick.
你懂的。
You know?
所以每件事背后都有它的道理和目的，这真的特别棒。
So there was always a, you know, a reason and a purpose behind it, which was really cool.
有些事我一辈子都忘不了。
And I'll I'll never those are some some of the things I'll I'll never forget.
他们教过你们用金属和燧石生火吗？
Did they teach you how to start fires with, like, piece of metal and, like, a flint?
就是那种东西，你知道的？
Like, you know, what is that?
打火棒？
A striking rod?
就是那种
Like
是的
Yeah.
我们用过燧石，还有老松树的松脂木。
We did flint stuff and with, like, the pitch wood from some old pine trees.
你知道的。
You know?
那种松脂木能找到，我们还试过弓钻和木钻生火。
You can find that pitch wood, and we did some bow and wood drills.
其实也没多少技巧。
So it's not a whole lot
那只该死的鸡真难弄。
of That fucking chicken is hard.
但确实挺难的。
But it was That's hard.
太难了。
So hard.
我在童子军的时候也干过这事儿，点个火能耗上好几个小时。
I did that in the boy scouts, and it took, like, hours to start a fire.
是啊。
Yeah.
你他娘的得一直不停地锯啊锯。
It it you have to fucking keep sawing.
要是光用手钻，手非得磨出泡不可。
And if you're doing it with your hand, you're gonna blow your hands up.
对。
Yeah.
你还是赶紧弄个弓钻吧。
You better get your bow.
先把技巧练熟了。
Get your technique down.
没错。
Yeah.
你懂的。
You know?
你得先准备好
You gotta have
上面那根棍子，还有那根一直通到底座的棍子，然后在底座上凿个小洞，让火星能掉进下面的引火物里，你得拼命地来回拉锯
the stick on the top and the the the stick that goes all the way to the base thing, and you cut a little hole in the base thing so that, like, all the little embers can fall into your kindling, and you gotta saw the shit out
这玩意儿。
of that fucker.
想象一下，要是下着雪，或者
And imagine trying to do that, you know, in the snow or,
你知道的，木头是湿的。
you know, it's wet.
你懂的？
You know?
我的天，这事儿根本不可能办成。
It's like, man, it's it's that's just very unlikely.
你知道啥东西特别适合当引火物吗？
You know what's really good for kindling?
Fritos薯片。
Fritos.
真的假的？
Really?
里面那么多油？
All the oil that's in it?
对啊。
Yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
就是啊。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
这真有点让人惊讶。
It's kinda shocking.
对啊。
Yeah.
我们在阿拉斯加的时候，天天都在下雨。
We were in Alaska, and it was raining all the time.
但有一天，雨突然停了。
And there was one day where it stopped.
我朋友史蒂夫·瓦内拉带我去的那儿。
I was with my friend Steve Varnella took me up there.
嗯，明白了。
Okay.
是啊。
Yeah.
我朋友布莱恩·考恩。
My friend Brian Cowen.
对。
Mhmm.
瑞安·考恩和那些家伙。
Ryan Cowen and all these guys.
所以我们上山后，有天居然连续十个小时没下雨，我们就说：‘得赶紧生堆火了！’之前整整五天都在下雨，连只鹿都找不到。
So we went up there, and when we got one day, like, a ten hour stretch where it was not raining, we're like, we gotta start a fucking fire because it was it was raining every day for, like, five days in a row, and we couldn't find any deer.
简直糟透了。
It was a nightmare.
打猎太难了。
It was tough hunting.
是啊。
Yeah.
有天我们到处找能点着的东西，因为所有东西都湿透了。
So we this one day, and we were trying to figure out things to light on fire because everything's soaking wet.
后来我们就从树底下、倒下的枯木里翻出一些被其他东西盖着、稍微有点干的木头。
And so we got some pieces of wood from, like, underneath the bottom of trees and shit and dead trees that were covered by other things that were kind of sort of a little bit dry.
是的。
Mhmm.
我们用了Fritos薯片。
And we used Fritos.
你点着Fritos的时候，天啊，那里面油真多。
And Fritos, when you light them, man, it's crazy how much oil is in those things.
对。
Yeah.
它们能像蜡烛一样长时间持续燃烧。
They just and they stay lit for a long time like a candle.
对。
Yeah.
我们就开始一小堆一小堆地堆起来。
And so we started, like, piling little thing.
最后总算生起了火。
And we we got that fire.
我这辈子从来没这么开心过。
I was like the happiest I've ever been in my life.
我猜也是。
Oh, I bet.
全身都湿透了。
Soaking wet.
一旦染上那种冷，真的就怎么都甩不掉，你知道吧。
Just cannot get once you get that kind of cold too, it's just like there's almost, you know
你冷得不行。
You're cold.
其实也没冷到哪儿去。
It wasn't that bad cold wise.
温度也就五六十度的样子。
It was like in the fifties or sixties.
是啊。
Yeah.
就是浑身湿透了。
It was just the wetness.
怎么都摆脱不了这湿气。
The wetness was impossible to get away from.
我还以为进了帐篷就能干爽了呢。
I thought once you get in your tent, you'd be dry.
对啊。
Mhmm.
进了睡袋也以为能干了。
You get in your sleeping bag, you'd be dry.
但半夜我得起来上厕所，只好在帐篷里打开头灯。
But I had to take a piss in the middle of the night, and I had to turn on my headlamp in the tent.
结果一开灯，到处都是雾气，真的。
And when I did, it was all just mist Yeah.
哪儿都是。
Everywhere.
就是湿气。
It was moisture.
到处都是。
Everywhere.
天啊，真是服了。
Like, oh my god.
我这辈子都别想干爽了。
I'm never gonna be dry.
我只能认了，这儿根本干不了。
I had to just accept, like, there's no drying here.
你们在那儿待了多久啊？
How long how long were you guys back in there?
大概六天。
About six days.
是啊。
Yeah.
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我们本来打算待七天，但第六天就得走，因为风暴要来了。
We had a we had to leave we were supposed to be there for seven, but we had to leave on the sixth day because the storm was coming in.
我当时想，万一被困在那儿可就糟了，那地方真的会困住人。
I was like, I could get stuck because you can get stuck up there.
是啊。
Yeah.
我们当时在爱德华王子岛吧。
We were on, I guess, Prince Edward's.
那岛叫这个名字吗？
Is that what the island is?
对。
Yeah.
那儿真的容易被困住。
You get stuck up there.
我当时就想，我得赶紧回家。
And I was like, I gotta get back home.
我得去上班了。
I gotta work.
你们是坐那种小飞机进去的吗？就是那种小水陆两用机？
Did y'all get fly in, like, on a On a puddle jumper?
小型支线飞机。
Bush plane.
对。
Yeah.
我们直接降在了池塘里。
We landed in the pond.
而且你
And you
进出那儿都有严格的时间窗口。
had certain windows to get you in and out of there.
是啊。
Yeah.
是的
Yeah.
你直接从池塘里舀水就能喝。
You could drink right out of the pond.
那池塘里的水全是雨水，而且水位太高，海狸进不来。
Like, the pond was all rainwater, and there's no it was too high for beavers.
对
Mhmm.
所以你根本不用担心水里有贾第虫之类的东西。
So you didn't have to worry about giardia or anything in the water.
你真的可以直接从池塘里喝水。
You could just drink right out of the pond.
这简直太离谱了。
Like, this is crazy.
是的
Yeah.
那简直太棒了。
It's the best.
我只在冬天去过阿拉斯加，就是去滑雪，但一直想过去打猎钓鱼。
I've never been I've I've been to Alaska only, like, in in the winter on a, like, skiing thing, but I've always wanted to go up there to hunt and fish.
那里的人真的特别棒。
And The people are extraordinary.
都是特别硬朗的人。
Those are rugged people.
是啊。
Yeah.
我以前和朋友阿里在安克雷奇演出，有件事挺奇怪的，你刚到那儿的时候——
Like, when I did a a gig with my friend Ari in Anchorage, and one of the things and it was weird because you get there.
晚上十一点了。
It's 11PM.
外面还亮着呢。
It's bright out.
这事儿真够怪的。
Like, this is weird.
我们后来聊到，那些人简直太酷了。
One of the things that we talked about after was, like, those people were fucking cool.
住在那儿，一年里起码有六个月，你一出门就可能没命。
Like, there's there's something about living up there, like, where you could die going outside, like, a good six months out of the year.
到处都是熊。
There's fucking bears everywhere.
你要是敢斜眼瞅一眼驼鹿，它能在沃尔玛停车场把你踩死。
If you you you look sideways at a moose, it'll stomp you to death in a fucking Walmart parking lot.
是啊。
Yeah.
就是说，你得把事儿都安排得妥妥的。
Like, it's it's
得把一切打理好。
have your shit together.
你得把事儿捋顺了。
You put have your shit together.
到处都是白头鹰。
There's bald eagles everywhere.
鲑鱼大得跟你的大腿一样粗。
The the salmon are as big as your thigh.
我的意思是，那儿的人彼此配合得特别好。
I mean, the people there are they work together.
他们挺友善的，但也很粗犷。
They'll there's, like they're very friendly, but they're very rugged.
但他们也明白，大家得互相依靠。
But they're also, like they realize you need each other.
就是有种……是啊。
Like, there's a sense of, like Yeah.
归属感，还有那种酷劲儿。
Community and cool.
是的
Yeah.
对
Yeah.
你们得互相依靠
You need each other.
要是你的车在路边抛锚了，你可能会没命
If you your fucking car breaks down the side of the road, you could die.
好
Mhmm.
没人会眼睁睁看着你死
Like, someone's not gonna let you die.
他们肯定会停车帮忙
They're gonna pull over.
在加州，有人会去帮他们
In California, they're like, someone will get them.
他们就那么一直开过去。
They just keep driving.
所以你就失去了这种邻里互助的感觉。
So you just lose this sense of community.
是的。
Yeah.
你求助的时候，找的不应该是邻居吗？
You're not calling you're you're not that's that's who you're calling for help in times of need is your neighbor.
对吧？
Right?
没错。
Exactly.
就算桥被洪水冲垮了，也是邻居开着挖掘机、拖拉机来帮你。
I mean, even if, like, the the bridge washes out, it's like, here comes your neighbor with the backhoe and the tractor
而且呢，
and, like,
你就自己动手干了。
you just do it yourself.
朋友帮你的忙，或者你帮朋友一把，这种情谊特别珍贵。
And that makes a cool friendship when your friend helps you out or when you help your friend out.
我在德州住的时候，最怀念的就是这个。
That's what I miss about living in Texas too.
你懂的。
You know?
就说一些小事吧，比如我在托潘加家那儿，想围个篱笆什么的——
It's just like just some of the small things or whatever that you like, even up at my place in Topanga, know, I wanna build some fence or whatever.
说实话，我觉得自己挺幸运的。
Like, I I do have I feel lucky.
我那儿有几个特别好的朋友兼邻居，都喜欢动手干活，不怕脏不怕累，一块儿搭个棚、修个东西啥的。
I've got a couple of really good friends up there, neighbors that, you know, love to come, you know, work with their hands and or get their hands dirty and we'll build stuff.
但在德州就不一样了，你想焊个东西，或者需要拖拉机、重型设备，加州可没这条件。
And but like, man, in Texas, you want to weld something, you need something with a tractor, some heavy equipment thing, you're you not getting that done in California.
请个人开小型装载机来你家帮忙运点土，得花一大笔钱，但在德克萨斯就不一样了，天呐，太简单了。
It's going cost you a fortune to get someone with a skid steer up your house to help you move some dirt around, you know, but here in Texas, it's like, oh, man.
直接给路边的弗兰克打个电话就行。
Just call Frank down the road.
他就有那玩意儿。
He's got one.
有些人家里祖祖辈辈都这么干，你懂的。
There's people that have a long tradition of doing stuff, you know?
那地方真有那种老传统。
It's like it's a real place.
我小时候也是这样，你知道的，割草啊、干农活啊，尤其是年轻那会儿。
I grew up like that too, you know, and, you know, people cutting hay and stuff like that, especially when you're young.
那时候我们一帮小孩儿，夏天就挨家挨户去帮人堆干草。
Like, man, we would go stack hay for everybody around, you know?
那简直就是我们夏天的兼职了。
It's like that was the summer job, you know?
咱们走吧。
It's like, let's just go.
这才能锻炼出硬汉。
That makes a strong person.
没错。
Yeah.
那些整天扔干草的人，真不是一般的壮，那种农夫的力气，可不是闹着玩的。
People that throw hay around, those are strong mother like that term, like, farmer strength, that shit's real.
对啊。
Yeah.
你可得这么说。
You better say it.
我小时候个子小，没办法，只能赶紧学会借力使力。
I was always a little guy too, so I had to use some learn how to use leverage real quick.
是啊。
Yeah.
把铃铛搁膝盖上滚一滚。
Roll those bells up on your knee.
我记得最后一次干这活儿，是在德克萨斯州斯蒂芬维尔上学的时候，我有个朋友住在格伦罗斯，七月那天，他叫我们去帮他把干草堆进谷仓。那地方就跟矿洞似的，闷得要命。
I think one of the last times I did that, remember is, I was going to school in Stephenville, Texas and had a good friend over in Glen Rose and it was the July and and he's an older man and asked us to come help him stack hay in his barn and it was you we're stacking it in the barn, you know, so and it's just like you're inside the mine.
热得要命。
It's just hot.
里面估计得有四十多摄氏度，成百上千捆干草，我们俩简直快累趴下了。
It could have been a 110 degrees in there, you know, and we're talking hundreds of bales of hay, and it was just all we could do.
而且，我们还都带着宿醉。
And, of course, we're hungover.
我们边干边喊，累得直喘。
We're sitting, you know, calling.
一边堆干草，我心里就想着：这绝对是最后一次干这活儿了。
You know, we're trying to do we're stacking hay, and I was like, I think I think this is my last hay hauling job right now.
是的。
Yeah.
这种活儿特别能让你明白，这可不是你想过的生活。
Those jobs those are good for letting you know that this is not the life you want.
对。
Yeah.
找个真正硬核的体力活干干。
Like, get a good rugged manual labor job.
保准让你清醒过来，阿迪尔。
It'll knock some fucking sense, Adeel.
所以我才拿了把吉他啊，老兄。
That's why I got the guitar, man.
我很快就发现，吉他拿在手里，比铲子舒服多了。
I I I'd learned pretty quick that the guitar felt a lot better in my hands than that shovel did.
是啊。
Yeah.
我懂这种感觉。
I know that feeling.
我有一整个夏天都在阁楼里做隔热材料的工作。
I I spent one summer doing insulation in an attic.
全是那种玻璃纤维隔热棉。
It was all that fiberglass insulation.
我身上也沾满了，
I had it in
因为你当时一直在出汗，
all my skin because you're
汗流浃背，
sweating.
还进眼睛里了，
In your eyes.
是啊。
Yeah.
你出汗是因为天热，夏天嘛，纤维钻进毛孔，浑身痒得要命。
You're sweating because it's hot and it's the summer, so it's getting into your pores, and you're always itchy.
感觉那东西一直粘在身上，甩都甩不掉。
You feel like it's on you all the time.
而且，吸进那些玩意儿，肯定难受死了。
Also, like, it's gotta be terrible to be breathing that shit in.
简直糟透了。
Oh, the worst.
对啊。
Yeah.
而且我都不记得我们当时用过什么防护设备。
And I don't even think we were using equipment.
我觉得我们根本没戴任何安全装备。
I don't think we used any safety equipment.
那当然没有。
Heck no.
他连个口罩都没戴。
He didn't have a mask on or anything.
我不这么觉得。
Don't believe so.
我觉得我们就直接铺上去，把那玩意儿一卷一卷摊开就完了。
I think we just installed it, just unrolled that shit
然后塞进屋檐底下就完事了。
and stuffed it into the into the rafters.
用的还是含铅的油漆。
Using paint with lead in it.
就像……
Like
那时候汽油里也含铅呢。
And then, like, back then, the gasoline had lead too.
所以直接对着水管喝水？
So drinking out of the water hose?
对啊。
Right.
是啊。
Oh, yeah.
对。
Yeah.
我觉得从水龙头里喝水反而能锻炼出坚韧的性格。
I think it makes a resilient person to drink out of water hose.
那可太对了。
Heck, yeah.
要么变硬朗，要么完蛋。
You get tough or die.
你还能从该死的水龙头铜件里摄取额外的矿物质。
You get extra minerals from the fucking copper on the faucet.
没错。
Yeah.
这些活儿其实挺重要的，能让年轻人明白自己不想干啥。
It's those jobs are really important, like, for a young person to figure out what they don't wanna do.
是的
Mhmm.
这能磨炼你的工作态度，让你明白。
Teaches your work ethic, teaches you, like, hey.
你能从辛苦的一天里获得成就感，没错。
Like, this is you can get some satisfaction out of a hard day's work and Yeah.
辛苦的一周。
A hard week.
你做到了。
Like, you did it.
你付出了努力。
You put it in.
你为自己感到骄傲。
You feel good about yourself.
你知道这很难，但别一直这么干。
You know it was difficult to do, but don't don't don't don't don't keep doing that.
是的
Yeah.
想办法摆脱这个困境。
Figure out a way out of this.
是的
Yeah.
你得明白这一点。
You you you you you gotta understand that.
你懂的。
You understand it.
你得真真切切地感受到。
You you gotta feel for it.
你知道什么叫苦活累活，但……
You know what hard labor is, but Yeah.
别毁了你的人生。
Don't ruin your life.
是的。
Yeah.
我真的很感恩。
I I I feel real grateful.
我爷爷一直是个特别勤快的人。
My my granddad was always a real hard worker.
我十二三岁的时候，暑假经常跟他住，他总给我安排活儿干。
And even when I was 12 and 13, you know, in the summers or I spent a lot of time living with him, and he always had a job lined up for me.
你懂的。
You know?
我就说，嘿。
I was like, hey.
你今天上午去帮某某家割草，然后咱们再去那儿。
You're gonna go over here, we're gonna mow so and so's lawn this morning, and we're gonna go over here.
你周末去肯家，给他打个围栏。
We're gonna send you out to Ken's, and you're gonna build some fence this weekend.
但我一直挺喜欢的。
And I always enjoyed it, though.
我喜欢那些哥们儿。
I enjoyed those guys.
我整天干活，晚上就和他们坐一块儿，他们下午喝着啤酒，给我讲各种故事。
I was around and, you know, I'd I'd work all day, and then we'd sit around, and they drink beer in the afternoon, tell me stories.
现在呢，虽然我不想给别人家盖篱笆，但挺庆幸自己会干这活儿的。
And, you know, and even now like I'm on place, know, it's like I don't want to be building somebody else's fence, but I'm glad I know how to build my own.
对啊。
Right.
有这些本事真好。
Things like that and have those skills.
我还是特别喜欢在家搞搞修理、做点小项目什么的。
I still love working around the house and doing little projects and things like that.
我认识不少年轻小伙子，有时候我下意识觉得他们应该都会这些，你知道吧？
I meet a lot of younger guys and kids that sometimes I I guess I have expectation that they know how to do that kind of stuff, you know?
没错。
Right.
我想去你家帮忙做点活儿啥的。
I wanna come over to the house and help with some projects and stuff.
我就说，哦，好啊。
And I'm like, oh, yeah.
太棒了。
Cool.
我都已经把坑挖好了，也拉好了线，咱们就直接立柱子就行。
We'll just you know, I already dug those holes and set up a string line, and we'll set these posts.
他们就说，行啊。
They're like, okay.
结果干了半小时左右，我一瞅，他们就蹲那儿盯着地面发呆。
And then after about a half hour, look over out and they're just kind of looking at the ground.
我就纳闷了：咱这到底在干嘛呢？
I'm like, what are we doing here?
懂吧？
Know?
他们说：‘我不知道你到底想让我干啥。’
They're like, I don't have a clue what you want me to do.
懂吧？
Know?
这太搞笑了。
That's hilarious.
这太搞笑了。
That's hilarious.
是啊，真是够离谱的。
Yeah, it's it's wild.
这变化太大了，老兄。
It's it's changed, man.
现在小孩都不再帮人割草了。
Kids ain't out there mowing lawns no more.
这没错。
That's for sure.
不。
No.
但那种工作，比如围篱笆、像《黄石》里牛仔们干的那些活儿，干完还一起瞎逛，真有种特别的吸引力。
Well, there's something about that kind of work, like putting in fences and all the stuff that you see the cowboys doing on Yellowstone and then hanging out together afterwards.
这种生活特别能打动人心。
That's so, like, viscerally appealing to people.
对。
Mhmm.
看这种生活，就是有种说不清的吸引力。
There's something about watching that life.
说白了，就是一种简单却特别难熬的日子吧。
Like, it's you would say it's like a simple, difficult life, maybe.
我也说不清到底为啥，但就是让人特别向往。
I don't know what it is, but whatever it is, it's like, it's so appealing.
是的。
Mhmm.
你看，好多观众看了你的剧之后都想当牛仔。
Like, so many people wanted to be cowboys after they watched your show.
对。
Mhmm.
我觉得，当人们谈论那种自给自足、靠土地生活的生活方式时，
I think if something goes to like, you're talking about that guy living off the land and stuff like that.
这其实是我们几千年生存本能里根深蒂固的东西，我们每个人心里都还留着这份本能，只是现在……
It's just, you know, something that's been ingrained in us over thousands of years of survival and, like, we we all have that in us still today and we just Mhmm.
可惜我们越来越远离这种生活了。
Unfortunately losing touch with it because we're not doing it as much.
所以，哪怕只是去种个菜园子，那种感觉就来了。
And so when you get the opportunity to even just go plant a garden or something like that, I think that's it.
这种本能一直都在我们心里，只是沉睡了一阵子，一有机会就被唤醒了，你知道吧，
It's in us, you know, and it's a it wakes up something within that's just been a little bit dormant for a while, you know, and
我觉得你说得对。
I think you're right.
你懂的吧？
You know?
我觉得这正是关键所在。
I think that's exactly what it is.
这就像刻在我们基因记忆里的东西，这种生活方式让人打心底觉得舒服。
I think it is like it's in our memory, like the memory of our genes that this is like a pleasing life.
这种生活特别有满足感。
This is a satisfying life.
就像母熊护崽那种本能，你知道吧？孩子一来，我就觉得，天啊，真是这样。
It's like that mama bear energy, you know, kids come, it's just like I was like, man, you know?
对。
Yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
它就在那儿，你知道的。
It's it's there, you know?
我后来才明白，有了孩子之后，内心深处某种一直存在的东西就被唤醒了——你生来就该拥有的那种感觉，你知道吧？
And it's just like, I realized that having kids, it's just like, oh man, it wakes something up within you that's always been there, you know, that you were born to have, you know?
对。
Mhmm.
那种生存本能，还有所有这些本能。
That that survival instinct and all of those things.
而这也正是我至今依然热爱它的原因。
And I I still that's what I still love about it.
就算你整天在家、在路上，或者泡在大城市的海量信息和屏幕里，天啊。
Like, even at home, on the road and being in big cities all the time and you're just surrounded with information and screens, man.
只要一回到家，或者走到户外、走进大自然，那种感觉就立刻被重新点燃，我感觉它又让我的眼睛重新有了光彩，你知道吧？
As soon as I can get home or get outside or get into nature, it just it wakes that stuff back up in me, and it I feel like it puts that spark back in my eye, you know?
是的。
Yeah.
我尽量让自己一直保持着这种感觉。
I try to stay in tune with that as much as I can.
这显然对那些没经历过的人特别有吸引力。
Well, it's clearly so appealing to people that don't experience it.
我的意思是，看《黄石》这类剧的人，有多少根本没去过那种地方？
I mean, how many people that are watching shows like Yellowstone never go into those areas?
但他们一看就忍不住说：哇，真想过这样的生活。
But they watch it like, oh Yeah.
我想过这样的日子。
I wanna live like that.
我们看到马的价格，简直涨疯了。
We see the, like, prices of horses.
涨得太离谱了。
It just skyrocketed.
以前一张唱片才五美元，现在我敢肯定，早就不是这价了。
Like, the vinyl ships were, like, $5, and now I'm sure.
一条 Trail 马居然要五万美元，真够厉害的。
Was $50,000 for a trail horse, which is cool.
希望大家都看得开心，也能从中有所收获。
I hope people are enjoying that and getting something out of it.
现在我不怎么养牛了，但还是留了几匹马，主要是给孩子们玩。
I'm not running a bunch of cows these days, but I keep a few horses around, especially for the kids.
不管他们愿不愿意靠近，每天下午我们都会出去，给它们喂点胡萝卜，梳梳尾巴，就那样待着，特别放松。
Whether they want anything to do with them or not, we enjoy so much in the afternoons, go out and feed them some carrots or brushing their tails and just being around that energy.
最小的那小子，天生就跟动物有缘分，你知道吧。
Youngest little boy, he's just some kind of mojo with animals, know.
我有头老骡子，叫蜂蜜，耳朵大得吓人，个头也特别壮。
I've got this old mule and her name's Honey and she's got these big ears and she's massive, you know.
我记得他三四岁的时候，我总在后院找他，一抬头看见牧场里，他正蹲在那头骡子旁边，骡子低着头，他就那儿轻轻摸它的耳朵。
And I remember when he was like three or four, I'd be looking around for him in the backyard and I'd look out in the pasture and he'd be out there with that mule and she'd have her head down and he's just out there petting her ears.
真暖心啊。
Aw.
你懂的。
You know?
还有就是，那些从小在城里长大的孩子，第一次接触马啊、狗啊这些动物的时候，那种连接特别有意思。
And just like his connection with those animals and then, you know, getting kids up to the house or, you know, that from the city that aren't around those animals, their first time around horses or maybe even dogs and stuff like that.
你能看出来他们特别紧张，倒不是害怕，就是放不开。
You can see they're so anxious and not maybe so scared, but they're just nervous.
毕竟这些都是大动物嘛。
It's big animals and stuff.
只要坐到马背上摸摸它，大概二十分钟内，就能看到他们慢慢放松下来，那种紧张劲儿也跟着缓和了，我真的特别喜欢看到这个。
Within like twenty minutes of just sitting them on their back or petting them and then you see them relax and you see that energy kind of slow down and I just I I love that.
我觉得看着这种变化特别神奇，
You know, I think it's so magical to watch and
是啊。
Yeah.
人和马之间的这种关系，本质上就是一种很原始的联结。
That's another relationship that's like primal, the relationship between people and horses.
是的。
Mhmm.
他们也用这种方式帮助成瘾者。
They do that with addicts.
他们做马术治疗，是的。
They do equine therapy Mhmm.
就是让那些有严重焦虑和抑郁的人。
Where they had just have, like, people that are they have, like, heavy anxiety and depression.
让他们跟马待在一起。
They have them hang out with horses.
我觉得我自己也是。
I think even me.
我到现在还是这样。
I I still do.
我的意思是，我偶尔也会情绪低落，但只要跟马待在一起，我就特别舒服。
I mean, I I I have get depressed and stuff like that every now and then, and I love being around them.
我走到马厩，就待在它们旁边，靠在它们背上，那种感觉，哎呀，真舒服。
I can walk out to the barn and just being around them, laying on the backs, and it's just like, ah, yeah.
好嘞。
Alright.
来啦。
Here we go.
摸摸它们的头，心情立马就好多了。
Just touching their head makes you feel better.
嘿。
Like, hey.
是啊。
Yeah.
宝贝，你今天怎么样？
How are you, honey?
嗯。
Mhmm.
怎么了？
What's happening?
它们看着我，好像懂我似的。
They look at me Yeah.
就是有种连接感，你知道的。
Connect, you know.
我能和它们对上眼神。
I get eye contact with them.
我觉得这是一种
I think it's
直视你的灵魂。
Just looking into your soul.
很古老的东西。
An ancient thing.
我的意思是，它们帮我们活了下来。
I mean, they helped us survive.
是的
Mhmm.
我们呢，你知道的，我们照顾它们。
We and, you know, and we took care of them.
这就像一种古老的关系。
It's like this ancient relationship.
当你和它们在一起时，那种联系会立刻重新被唤醒、重新建立起来。
And then when you're around them, that connection, like, immediately rebounds, reestablishes.
我觉得这已经刻在我们的基因里了。
I think it's in our DNA.
我的意思是，想想看，在人类发明任何其他东西之前，有多少代人都是靠骑马生存的。
I mean, just think about, like, how many generations of humans had to survive on horseback before anybody invented anything Yeah.
你要想跑得比走路快，那非得靠一匹马不可。
It's like if you wanted to travel faster than you could run, it had to be a fucking horse.
对
Yeah.
所以，这几千几万年的相处，早就刻进我们的基因里了。
So that was probably thousands and thousands and thousands of years just cooked into our DNA.
对。
Mhmm.
一见到他，你就觉得：哎，我哥们儿。
And when you're around him, it's like, oh, my friend.
这就是我兄弟。
This is my friend.
这是在把那份感觉重新唤醒。
It's waking it back up.
是啊。
Yeah.
真奇怪。
Weird.
它一直都在那儿。
It's there.
是的
Yeah.
你身上有这些东西，真有点奇怪。
It's weird that that stuff is in you.
对。
Mhmm.
那种自然的东西就在你体内。
That nature stuff is in you.
我说吧，这也就是为啥我们喜欢看这种‘黏土人’之类的节目。
I mean, that's why we like watching shows like this clay guy.
对。
Mhmm.
我也超爱这个。
I love that too.
我特别喜欢史蒂夫·拉纳洛的那个《食肉者》节目。
I I love that Steve Ranallo show, that meat eater.
我喜欢和我孩子一起看。
I like watching it with my kids.
你不是跟雷米·沃伦是朋友吗？
And and aren't you are you friends with Remy Warren?
哦，是啊。
Oh, yeah.
我们关系可好了。
Real good friends.
我当年在蒙大拿拍《黄石》的时候，他居然搬来跟我做邻居了。
He ended up being my neighbor when I was in Montana working on Yellowstone.
真的吗？
Oh, really?
对啊。
Yeah.
这也太巧了吧。
Oh, that's crazy.
我特别喜欢的地方，就是他们拍剧的那个片场。
And I, you know, I I what I I really liked up there was where they filmed the show.
你知道吗，那地方在蒙大拿西南部，特别偏。
You know, it was kind of way out there Southwestern Montana.
好多拍剧的人都回密苏拉或者城里去，我就想，天啊，我得往越远的地方钻才行。
A lot of folks that were working on the show would go back to Missoula or in the cities, I was like, man, I wanna go get as far away out there as I can.
于是我去了西福克那边，就在那片最大荒野的边缘，再往里就通到爱达荷了。
And so I've kind of went down this West Fork area that's on the right on the edge of the most massive wilderness areas out there that goes into Idaho.
我开的那条路，先是铺装路，后来变成土路，最后直接没路了。
And the road I was on, you know, was paved dirt, then it dead ended and it turned into a dirt road.
我租了个小木屋，深藏在山里，没Wi-Fi，啥都没有。
And then I got this cabin that was just way back up and there was no WiFi, no nothing, know.
我就彻底消失在那儿，结果碰上了些人，而雷米就住在通向苏拉方向的下一条路上。
And I just disappeared out there and ended up meeting some folks and Remy was just right down the road going towards Sula.
所以我有空就去找他，跟他一块儿在山里瞎转悠。
So I got the chance to just go there and hang out with him and go stomp around the mountains with him.
他真是个超酷的人。
He's such a cool dude.
就是说。
It's like
雷米太棒了。
Remy's the best.
你提到去阿拉斯加的事儿。
Just, you know, like you're talking about going to Alaska.
我喜欢去那种地方，但真得有个像他这样的人陪着才好。
You know, I love going into those places, but like you want somebody like that with you when you go.
没错。
For sure.
对啊。
Yeah.
是啊。
Yeah.
他特别懂怎么在野外活动。
He knows how to get around.
对。
Yeah.
他以前有个特别棒的节目。
And he used to have a great show.
首先呢，他有个《独行猎手》的系列，就是他自己一个人拍。
Well, first of all, he he had solo hunter where he'd Mhmm.
自己拍跟光是打猎比起来难太多了。
Go and film everything himself, which is so much more difficult than just hunting.
是啊。
Yeah.
还得跟他一起搭三脚架、搞设备，确保镜头对准猎物了才开枪，然后自己再跑来跑去换机位，把整个射杀过程都拍下来。
Set up the key carry tripods with him and shit and set it up and make sure the the camera's on the animal before he would shoot it and then film himself film himself moving up to their set of different cameras that could show them executing the shot.
我
I'm
天啊。
like, god.
这也太复杂了吧。
That's so complicated.
这哥们儿真是猛人。
And he's a beast, man.
光是跟着他在山里转悠，就够你受的。
Just try just trying to keep up with him, you know, just walking around the mountains with that guy.
天哪，真是服了。
I'm like, oh, man.
等等我！
Wait up.
我马上到！
I'll be I'm coming.
是啊。
Yeah.
他们可是真练出山地耐力了。
They get that mountain cardio.
对。
Yeah.
他跟山羊似的。
He's like a mountain goat.
你知道的，他每年大概要猎200头。
Well, you know, he hunts probably 200 a year.
是啊。
Yeah.
而且他还经常当向导。
And on top of that, he does a lot of guiding.
没错。
Mhmm.
当他带团的时候，整天都在山里，不停地徒步。
And when he's doing guiding, he's like always in the mountains, always hiking.
你就是慢慢被练出来了。
It's like you you just get conditioned to it.
是的。
Yeah.
他身体可真棒。
He's fit.
我跟他去夏威夷打过轴鹿。
I I went to Hawaii with him and did an axis hunt over there.
真酷。
Cool.
是我这辈子最棒的经历之一。
One of coolest things I ever did.
我打到一头公鹿，正往车上抬呢，他就说……
And I I got this buck and we're loading him up in the truck and all that.
他说：‘哥们儿，你们先回营地，我待会儿跟你们汇合。'
And he was like, man, I'm gonna I'll meet you guys back at camp.
你懂的吧？
You know?
那时候天已经黑了。
And it was dark already.
白天我们打猎的时候，那山啊，上上下下全是陡坡，你想想。
And, like, I know, you know, during the day we were hunting, just, I mean, steep mountains up and down.
我就问他：你真就自己走回去？
And, I said, you're just gonna meet us back?
他说：对啊。
He said, yeah.
我会回营地跟你们汇合的。
I'll meet you back.
他背起包，转身就跑走了。
And he just put on his backpack and just took off running.
我们呢，开车沿着山路下山回营地。
And we, you know, drove down this mountain road to go back.
他比我们早到了快半小时呢。
He beat us there about, like, a half an hour.
你懂的吧。
You know?
那对他来说就是锻炼了。
And that was his workout, though.
他说，对啊。
He's like, yeah.
这算我日常锻炼的一部分。
It's part of my workout.
我会在那儿等你们的。
I'll meet I'll meet you guys back there.
我当时就想，你真是个怪物啊。
I was like, oh, you're you're an animal.
这太搞笑了。
That's funny.
夏威夷的轴鹿特别有意思，当年是有人送给卡美哈梅哈国王的，具体哪年我记不清了。
Axis deer in in Hawaii is very interesting because they were given to King Kamehameha in, like I don't remember what year it was.
对啊。
Mhmm.
你去查查是哪年引进的，现在满山遍野都是。
Find out what year they got introduced there, but they're everywhere now.
我好几次去拉奈岛了。
I've gone to Lanai a bunch of times.
我们就是去的那儿。
That's where we went.
去打猎。
Hunting.
是啊。
Yeah.
那场面可太疯狂了。
It was wild.
到处都是成千上万只。
There are thousands of them everywhere.
你正想悄悄靠近一群十来只的，结果根本没发现就在你脚边趴着一百来只，一站起来，把其他全吓跑了。
And you're trying to sneak up on a group of 10, and then you don't even realize there's, like, a 100 right here laying down that you didn't even see, and then they get up and spook the rest and stand.
你去过那儿，肯定知道。
Well, you know, you've you've been there.
明白了。
Okay.
是十九世纪的事了。
It was in the eighteen hundreds.
哇哦。
Wow.
是印度送给了卡美哈梅哈国王的礼物。
A gift to king Kamehameha from India.
在拉奈岛上，鹿有三万头，人却只有三千多。
And there's 30,000 of them in Lanai and only 3,000 people.
是的
Yeah.
这简直太疯狂了。
I mean, it's crazy.
真怪。
Weird.
最后一件事。
Last thing.
有个地方你可以去猎鹿，用弓箭，住的还是四季酒店。
Place where you can go hunting, bow hunting, and you stay at the Four Seasons.
对吧？
Right?
我觉得雷米说他被赶出来了，因为他猎得太勤了。
I think Remy said he got kicked out of there, though, because he he was hunting so much.
还有啊，那儿全是红黏土，弄得到处都是，鞋上啊、衣服上啊。
And, you know, they all that red clay there, you know, on your boots and stuff.
他说整个酒店到处都是红泥巴。
He said so the whole hotel was just like red clay everywhere.
冰箱里塞满了肉，血还滴滴答答往下淌。
The the fridge is just full of meat, you know, like blood dripping out.
他们把他赶出去了？
They kicked him
赶出去了？
out of there?
我不确定他们是不是真把他赶走了，但他好像说，咱们不如换个地方住吧。
Oh, I don't know if they kicked him out, but, like, he's like, well, maybe we ought to go find somewhere else to stay.
你懂的。
You know?
进屋前先把靴子脱了。
Well, just take off your boots before you come inside.
对。
Yeah.
就只是这样。
That's all it is.
不过，没错，就是那种怪怪的红泥，以前全是都乐菠萝种植园的地。
But, yeah, it's that weird red clay, and and it all used to be part of the Dole Pineapple plantation.
对啊。
Mhmm.
所以你要是待在那儿，会注意到地上一层层的土，底下居然还铺着一层厚厚的塑料袋，像那种超厚的袋子。
So when you're around there, one of the things you notice is, like, there's layers of dirt, but then there's, like, almost looks like plastic bag underneath it, like a got like a hefty bag.
是种地留下的吗？
From all the farming?
是啊。
Yeah.
所以我想他们当时铺了一层那种……管它叫啥呢，反正就是那种厚塑料膜。
So I guess they had a layer of, like, that kind of whatever the fuck a hefty bag is made out of, whatever that plastic is.
没错。
Yeah.
然后土就盖在上面，菠萝就从里面长出来了。
And then the dirt was on top of that somehow, then the pineapples would grow up through it.
主要是帮土地保持水分之类的。
I just kept moisture and stuff like that in the ground.
是啊。
Yeah.
我能想象。
Would imagine.
但这就挺让人不舒服的，一点都不像自然的样子。
But it's it's it's disconcerting because it doesn't feel like nature.
感觉怪怪的。
It feels weird.
确实如此。
It's like It does.
怪得很。
Weird.
地里到处都是塑料。
There's plastic everywhere in the ground.
是啊。
Yeah.
还有那些山上的二战时期的炮台之类的玩意儿，你真能碰到。
And then you get in the mountains in, like, those old World War two turrets and stuff that are up there.
你偶尔会遇上这些东西。
You come across any of that stuff.
我的意思是，确实如此。
I mean, it's just like Yeah.
首先，你在拉奈岛猎轴鹿，爬到山顶，四周全是大海。
First of all, like, hunting axis deer on in Lanai and, like, you get up on the top and you're surrounded by the ocean.
这经历简直太震撼了。
I mean, what a trip.
你懂的。
You know?
我懂。
I know.
看到这些，再遇上那些老物件，满脑子都是历史感。
Just seeing that and then coming across all those old relics and just all the history there.
真值得好好体会一下。
It's just something to take into.
我们笑是因为很明显，他们是在控制那里轴鹿的数量。
We are laughing because obviously they're trying to control the population of the Axis deer there.
有人还说，干脆放几只孟加拉虎过去算了。
I think somebody mentioned like, man, just get a couple of Bengal tigers out here.
对啊。
Exactly.
那鹿群立马就少了。
That'll that'll that'll thin out the population.
可惜啊，人也会跟着减少。
It's thin out the population of people too, unfortunately.
是的。
Yeah.
关键是，它们是在老虎的威胁下进化出来的。
The thing about them is that they did evolve around tigers.
所以它们才这么快。
That's why they're so fast.
它们跳过一根绳子的速度，比我这辈子见过的任何动物都快。
Like, they'll jump a string faster than any animal I've ever seen in my life.
我有个视频，是我隔着80码射一头轴鹿，还用了慢动作拍了箭的飞行过程。
I have a video of me shooting at an access deer at 80 yards, and it's we have a slow mo of the arrow.
对。
Yeah.
箭都快飞到他跟前了，距离不到10码，本来稳稳命中。
So as the the arrow's coming, it's a perfect shot within 10 yards of him.
他一听动静，立马就跑了。
He hears it and and he's gone.
这事儿简直太离谱了。
It's the craziest thing.
你看看那画面。
Like, you you look at it.
他怎么可能会快成这样？
You're like, how the fuck did he move that fast?
这箭离弦之后，速度至少有每秒275英尺。
This thing's going at least well, from the actual, like, leaving the bow, it's going 275 feet per second.
是啊。
Yeah.
他刚一听到动静——
And he He
就闪开了。
get out of within
十码之内就没了影。
10 yards.
十码之内，他听见箭飞过来，还跟人家说‘再见’。
Within 10 yards, he's hearing it coming, and he's like, see you.
是啊。
Yeah.
可箭根本没挨着他。
And nowhere near him.
他往前刚跨一步，箭就从他屁股后头一英尺的地方飞过去了。
Like, it he was a foot in front of it was a the arrow landed a foot behind his ass.
天哪。
Jeez.
箭的速度就是这么快。
That's how fast they move.
对啊。
Yeah.
太疯狂了。
It's crazy.
你去那儿待了多久？就几次而已吗？
How long did you go there for a while or just kinda like I've been
对，我去过。
there a
就去过几次。
few times.
几次短途去的。
Few times trips.
是的。
Yeah.
我们发现，下午才是打猎的最佳时间，因为那时候风特别大。
We found that the best time to hunt is actually in the afternoon because in the afternoon, it's really windy.
风一大，就能盖住咱们的声音，没那么明显。
And when it's really windy, it covers your sound a little better.
明白了。
Okay.
早上可真难搞。
The morning's rough.
是啊。
Yeah.
早上可真难搞。
The morning's rough.
有几次我早上出去，还真打到几只。
Like, the morning I I got a couple of them in the morning.
早上打猎确实打到过鹿，但老是吓跑它们。
Couple of times morning hunting, got a deer, but it's a lot of blown stalks.
你得走得特别慢。
You gotta walk super slow.
得格外小心。
You gotta be real cautious.
那边灌木丛特别高，根本不知道它们躲哪儿。
And, there's a lot of high brush, and you don't know where the fuck they're hiding.
是的
Yeah.
你得找个小道口埋伏。
You gotta kinda find a pinch point.
对。
Yeah.
你一惊动一只，其他的就全叫起来了。
You jump one and the rest of them sound off.
它们叫起来那声音，真够吓人的。
The way they bark and all of that's pretty crazy too.
挺怪的。
It's weird.
这声音
It's a
特别奇怪。
weird noise.
你得想办法摸清它们的路线，然后蹲点等着，毕竟它们到处乱窜。
What you gotta kinda do is, like, find where they're going to be and just wait because they travel so much.
它们移动得太频繁了。
They do so much moving.
你以为我还能像传统那样慢慢搜、找、潜行，就能碰上一只？其实你还不如原地不动等着。
You think I'm just gonna go, you know, still hunt and spot and stalk, and I'll I'll find one, and I'll you're almost better off just staying put.
对。
Yeah.
就待在原地等，它们根本停不下来，到处乱跑。
Just staying put and wait for them because they're moving all over the place.
它们多得简直吓人。
There's so fucking many of them.
太疯狂了。
It's crazy.
对。
Yeah.
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