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乔·罗根的播客。
Joe Rogan podcast.
去看看吧。
Check it out.
乔·罗根体验。
The Joe Rogan experience.
展示我的一天。
Showing my day.
晚上听乔·罗根播客，全天都是。
Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
见到你真好。
Good to see you.
也很高兴
Great to
见到你。
see you.
怎么了？
What's happening?
正在放这首歌。
Putting on This an
这就是音乐的力量。
is the the power of music.
我跟我老婆说你要来，她说要是我哪天走了，葬礼上就想放《I'm Coming Home》这首歌。
I told my wife that you were coming on and she said I don't wanna get a she said, if I die on my funeral, I want her song, I'm coming home.
真的吗？
Really?
对啊。
Yeah.
我当时就说，哦。
Was like, oh.
我觉得这想法挺沉重的。
I was like, that's a heavy thought.
后来我在健身房听了一遍，简直惊呆了。
And then I listened to it in the gym and I was like, goddamn.
我听了你弹钢琴的那个版本。
I listened to the version where you were on the piano.
就像一场独奏音乐会一样。
It was like a solo concert.
我当时就想，天啊。
And I was like, god.
这首歌太棒了，但这个想法也太惊人了，真的。
That's such a it's such a great song, but it's such a such a crazy thought Yeah.
居然有人会希望这样。
That someone would want.
哇塞。
Wow.
选得真够特别的。
A very specific song.
天啊
Man.
这开场可真够沉重的。
Heavy way to start the podcast.
我知道，但这就是真实音乐的情感所在。
I know, but but that's, you know, that's the emotion of real music.
是的
Yeah.
你懂的。
You know?
对
Mhmm.
你之前给我发过一条关于人工智能的短信，记得吗？因为你给我发了你的一首歌。
Like, you sent me a text message about AI, you know, because you sent me one of your songs Mhmm.
你还说，人工智能永远复制不了这种东西。
And you're like, AI is never gonna recreate this.
我当时就说，我觉得AI还写不出这么有情感的东西。
I said something like, I don't think it's capable of writing stuff with this much emotion yet.
因为这根本不是真实的，你
Well, it's not real, you
明白吗？
know?
是的。
Yeah.
听起来是挺酷的。
It sounds cool.
这本来就是AI的风格。
That's what AI does.
确实有不少AI创作的歌听起来很不错。
They they there's cool songs that come from AI.
但我觉得你说得对，总会有那么一点东西是AI永远达不到的。
But there's always gonna be, and I completely agree with you, there's always gonna be a thing.
我们知道这是人写的，是有人坐下来一笔一划写出来的，里面带着他们的情感和创造力。
We know a person wrote it, that they sat down and they wrote it and there's this connection with their their spirit and their creativity that comes out.
人们喜欢音乐，正是因为这一点。当然，我也喜欢AI做的音乐，听起来挺酷的，但我知道它本质上是什么。
And that's what people love about music other than stuff that sound I like I like AI music because it sounds cool, but I know what it is.
我知道那只是个机器。
I know it's just a robot.
我觉得AI在某些场合确实有用，但我自己写的音乐，写的时候其实是一种很治愈的过程。
I mean, I think it's, you know, sometimes it's good for certain things, but the type of music that I make personally, it's like very therapeutic for me to write.
我写的每一首歌，都是发自内心的真实情感。
I always am writing from like a true emotion.
是的。
Yeah.
马歇尔带给我的，是真正的情感。
Marshall's giving me true emotion.
是的。
Yeah.
我觉得马歇尔说得很对，AI其实就是个工具而已。
Marshall's I taking your think AI is an interesting it's just like another tool, I feel like.
当年自动调音刚出来的时候，很多人也抱怨个不停。
That, you know, when Auto Tune first came out, people were bitching about that.
其实我最早那几张专辑，还是小时候跟我妈妈一起录的。
And even like my first albums, I recorded with my mom when I was a little kid.
那时候用的是两英寸的磁带。
We did it on two inch tape.
那时候根本没用电脑。
You know, so there was no computer involved.
后来电脑进来了，大家又开始说这不算真音乐。
So then computers got in introduced and people were bitching about that.
说这根本不是真正的音乐。
Like, this isn't real music.
是的。
Yeah.
你知道吧，这跟所有这些技术进步都一样。
You know, it's just like all these technological advances.
在我看来，这些都只是创作者用来表达想法的工具。
To me, I see them as just tools that creatives can use to get their vision across.
彼得·弗兰普顿当年用的是什么设备？
What was what was Peter Frampton using back in the day?
好像是个真空管之类的。
It was like a tube or something.
对吧？
Right?
我也不清楚。
I have no idea.
你记得那东西叫什么吗，杰米？
The do you remember, like you you you know what that stuff is, Jamie.
对吧？
Right?
我觉得那是说话箱。
Think it's a talk box.
就是一根管子，含在嘴里那种？
It's like a tube you put in your mouth or something?
对。
Yeah.
就像一根吸管，麦克风会录下声音。
So it's like a straw and, like, the microphone picks up the sound.
声音先通过管子传到嘴里，再被麦克风收进去，然后你用嘴巴去调整音色。
So the sound would go through the tube into your mouth, and then the microphone picks that up, and you're using your mouth.
因为我记得那时候很多人讨厌这种效果。
Because I remember people are hating that.
很久以前，大家就特别反感这个。
Like, way back in the day, people were hating that.
说这根本不是他真实的声音。
Like, that's not his real voice.
他这是在干嘛呢？
Like, what is he doing?
他干嘛非得把这东西含在嘴里？
Why does he put it through that thing?
你懂吧？
You know?
我
I
我不清楚。
don't know.
但说到底，总会有各种工具让人用来激发创意。
But there's always I mean, look, there's always gonna be tools that people use to enhance creativity.
没错。
But Right.
现在奇怪的是，他们居然用这玩意儿做出整首歌。
The thing that's weird now is that they're making entire song.
他们都能做出一首完整的歌，你知道的。
Like, they can make a I know.
这太不可思议了。
It's crazy.
斯凯勒·格雷那种风格。
Skylar Grey category.
而且听起来还不错。
And they sound pretty good.
听起来真的很好。
They sound really good.
你知道吗，这才是最让人震惊的地方。
You know, that's what's crazy.
是的。
Yeah.
这是你的声音。
It's your voice.
这是你的
It's your
表演灵魂。
act souls.
你知道，因为这太新了。
You know, because it's so new.
是的。
Yeah.
所以
So
那些根本没录过的、本来该有我的播客。
Those entire podcasts with me that I never did.
真的吗？
Really?
对。
Yeah.
我跟史蒂夫·乔布斯有一整段对话。
There's a whole conversation with me and Steve Jobs.
但我其实从来没见过史蒂夫·乔布斯。
I never met Steve Jobs.
就是我俩在那儿聊各种事儿。
It's just me and Steve Jobs talking about stuff.
那画面也是这样吗？
Is it the visual too?
不是。
No.
跟画面没关系。
It's not the visual.
这个纯粹是音频的，不过以后肯定会有个带画面的版本。
This one's just an audio one, but eventually, I'm sure there'll be a bit visual one of that.
而且确实有一些是我跟根本没聊过的人的对话，因为有人为了好玩，假装自己上过我的节目。
And And there's definitely ones of me talking to people I've never talked to because, like, people pretend they're they've been on the show, you know, like, for fun.
是的
Yeah.
对
Yeah.
和我对话
Conversation with me.
这真的特别奇怪，你知道吧？
It's very very strange, you know?
确实奇怪
Very strange.
没错
Yeah.
我们现在生活在一个模糊不清的时代
We're living in a weird blurry time.
是的
Yeah.
现实和虚幻之间的界限变得越来越模糊。
Like the lines between real and not real are are getting very blurry.
就像在进入矩阵的前奏。
Like it's an introduction to the matrix.
我们正逐渐感受到矩阵的迷雾悄然笼罩过来。
Like we're getting like the first whispers of the fog of the matrix as it envelops us.
是的。
Yeah.
我们开始看到一些小小的异常，觉得有点不对劲。
We're getting just these little clouds like, oh, this is weird.
最后，一切都将变成——天啊。
Then eventually, it's just gonna be, woah.
我们会完全陷入矩阵的迷雾之中。
We're gonna just be in the full cloud of the matrix.
但我发现现在很多人都在质疑一切。
But I see people questioning everything now.
他们都在想，这是真的吗？
They're like, is this real?
现在人人都对什么事都心存怀疑。
Everybody's sussy about everything now.
你确实应该这样。
You should.
对。
Yeah.
有些知名媒体人甚至转发过一些视频新闻，那些画面根本就是直接从游戏里截出来的。
I mean, there's people, like prominent news people who've reposted stories with videos in it that were like straight out of a video game.
对。
Yeah.
我们现在所处的这个时代，真是怪到极点了。
It's very, very weird time we're in.
确实如此。
Very.
你懂的。
You know?
但我觉得这也挺让人兴奋的。
But I think it's also exciting.
哦，这确实很让人兴奋。
Oh, it's definitely exciting.
你知道，挺有意思的。
You know, it's fun.
是的。
Yeah.
嗯，这事儿挺怪的。
Well, it's weird.
只要事情变得怪异。
Anytime things are weird.
只要有什么让人觉得别扭的事，就是这样。
Anything things are like, ugh, like Yeah.
但我觉得这让你更珍惜真实的东西，比如实实在在的实物。
But that I think it makes you really appreciate actual things, like real physical things.
是的。
Yeah.
我很认同这一点。
I appreciate that.
人与人之间真实的连接，真实的作品。
Real connection with people, real art.
对。
Mhmm.
你知道吗，我觉得人工智能时代，这种情况会越来越普遍。
You know, I think that's what's gonna happen a lot with AI.
比如人们真正创作的艺术品，像这种黑猩猩头骨这样的东西。
Like, people's actual artwork, like, getting something like like this chimp skull.
这个是用顶针、符号和济慈镲制作的。
This is made with thimbles, symbols, with Zildjens.
哦，是啊。
Oh, yeah.
我明白。
I see that.
这位叫Shane Against the Machine的人，他确实做这个。
This guy, Shane Against the Machine, he makes yeah.
他真是个艺术家。
Really He's an artist.
他做的东西特别酷。
He makes cool stuff.
但我知道，这东西是个人做出来的。
But like, I know a guy made that.
对。
Yeah.
你想想，我玩这个的时候，就想着，这东西是个人亲手做的。
You know, like, when I'm fucking around with this, like, this guy made it.
是的。
Yeah.
我觉得这会让我们更珍惜真正由人创作的艺术，更看重其中的细腻、瑕疵和不完美之处，你知道吧？
I think it'll make us value real human made art more and value, like, nuance and mistakes and things not being perfect, you know?
对。
Yeah.
我的意思是，这正是艺术让人产生共鸣的地方。
I mean, that's part of what's relatable
没错。
Exactly.
艺术之所以打动人，就在于它来自一个人，这也是我们欣赏它的原因之一。
About art is that and it's part of what makes us appreciate that it did come from a person.
你知道的。
You know?
比如当你看到那样一幅很棒的画的时候。
Like, when you look at a really cool painting like that painting.
你看，这根本就不是完美的。
Like, that doesn't that's not perfect.
对。
Yeah.
本来就不该追求完美。
It's not supposed to be perfect.
爱就是一种表达。
Love It's supposed to be an expression.
是的。
Mhmm.
你知道的，这就像一个人的作品。
You know, it's it's like a person's work.
它承载着那个人的一切，他们的风格、他们的灵魂都融在画布里。
It's like their whatever they are, their thing, their essence is in that canvas.
是的。
Mhmm.
你懂的吧。
You know?
对。
Yep.
你是什么时候开始做音乐的？
How'd you get started doing music?
那时候你多大？
How old were you?
你不是说小时候和妈妈一起录过音吗？
You said you recorded with your mom when you were little?
是的。
Yeah.
你那时候多大？
How old were you?
我六岁的时候第一次登台表演。
I was six when I did my first show.
哇哦。
Woah.
是的。
Yeah.
她以前参加过民谣乐队之类的，还会弹凯尔特竖琴。
So she was in, like, folk bands and stuff, and she also plays Celtic harp.
我爸爸曾经在理发店四重唱组合里唱歌。
And my dad was in a barbershop quartet.
我的曾祖母是位歌剧歌手。
My great grandma was an opera singer.
所以我简直就是生在一个音乐氛围特别浓的家庭里。
So I just was like born into an extremely musical family.
我两岁的时候，大家给我一位姑姑唱生日歌，我突然唱起了和声。
And when I was like two, we were singing happy birthday to one of my aunts and I started singing a harmony.
我妈妈当时就问：这到底是怎么回事？
And my mom was like, what is going on?
两岁的小孩怎么可能会唱和声？
How is a two year old singing harmony?
我当时连歌词都说不全，但唱的音符确实是和声部分。
I wasn't even able to like say all the words, but the notes I was singing were, the harmony part.
她每次排练我都跟着去，时不时插上几句，后来他们干脆把我带上台，做些小嘉宾表演。
And then with all her bands that she was playing with all the time, I would be at the rehearsals and chiming in, and then they would, like, bring me up on stage to do little guest appearances.
那时候就很明显，我想要的就是
And it was just very clear that that's what I wanted to
这个。
do.
真厉害。
Wow.
所以我六岁的时候，我和妈妈一起排了一个完整的小时节目，在图书馆演出。
And so when I was six, we put together our first, like, hour long set, and I played at a library, me and my mom together.
天哪。
Woah.
那是
It
一场母亲节演出，在威斯康星州的麦迪逊。
was a Mother's Day show, Madison, Wisconsin.
哦。
Oh.
我来自梅索马尼亚。
So I'm from Mesomania.
那是个大约一千五百人的小地方， basically 就是个威斯康星州的小村庄。
It's like a 1,500 person, really small village, basically, in Wisconsin.
我就特别喜欢上了。
And so then I just loved it.
于是我们开始在中西部巡演，演过很多稀奇古怪的地方，比如小学、图书馆、女性健康大会。
And so we started touring around the Midwest and played a lot of really random venues like elementary schools, libraries, women's health conventions.
我印象中最盛大一场演出，其实是给童子军办的活动。
I think the one of the biggest shows I ever did was actually a Boy Scouts thing.
那场活动有将近一千五百名童子军。
And it was like 1,500 Boy Scouts.
你那时候多大？
How old were you?
我从六岁就开始了，一直做到大概十二岁左右，才独自出来表演。
I started this from the time I was six till I went solo, I think, when I was 12 or
真不可思议。
That's crazy.
这么小就定下了人生方向，确实挺特别的。
That's an interesting life though to have your path carved out or at least the direction
是的。
Yeah.
年纪这么小就明确了方向。
At a very young age.
是的。
Yeah.
我当时可不是什么迪士尼明星之类的人物。
And it wasn't like I was like a Disney star or something.
所以规模并不大。
So it wasn't like on a big scale.
完全是自然而然发展的。
It was It was organic.
规模很小，但我赚得还行，毕竟那时候还是个孩子。
It was small and but I made a decent money and I mean, for a kid.
我把钱都存起来了。
And I saved it up.
到十二岁的时候，我用攒下的钱买了第一架大钢琴。
And then when I was 12, I bought my first grand piano with the the money I'd saved up.
哎呀，真厉害。
Oh, wow.
是啊。
Yeah.
于是我就开始一个人在钢琴上写歌，主要是流行歌曲之类的。
And so then I started writing songs at the piano, like pop songs and stuff, solo.
那时候，再和妈妈一起唱歌就显得不酷了。
And it wasn't cool at that time to be singing with my mom anymore.
你知道的，初中孩子特别爱欺负人。
Like, you know, kids get really mean in middle school.
他们老是笑话我，因为我和妈妈唱的歌太幼稚了，比如《彩虹的颜色》《绝不抽烟》《奶奶滑下山坡》。
And they would like make fun of me because we were singing the silliest like like, we are the colors of the rainbow and never smoke tobacco and my grandma slid down the mountain.
这些真是我当年写的歌名。
These are some of the song titles.
那些歌特别傻，我也因此被取笑。
So it was very silly and I got made fun of.
所以我决定改唱流行歌。
And so I wanted to sing pop songs.
我就一个人单干了。
And I went solo.
我妈妈对此并不高兴。
And my mom was not stoked about that.
因为那时候，和我一起唱歌已经成了她的事业。
Because like, it had become her career
哦，真的吗。
Oh, wow.
和我一起登台演唱。
Singing with me.
我经常旷课，逃掉好多课。
Like, we I would miss, like, I would miss so much school.
有时候一周要演六场。
Sometimes I had six shows a week.
那真是忙得不得了。
So it was, like, a lot.
喂。
Hey.
躺下吧，宝贝。
Lie down, buddy.
你喘得可真厉害。
But You're huffing and puffing.
过来。
Come here.
亲一下，然后躺下。
Me kiss and then lie down.
过来。
Come here.
过来，宝贝。
Come here, buddy.
亲我一下。
Give me a kiss.
让大家看看你。
Let everybody see you.
上来吧。
Come on up.
过来，克里斯。
Come here, Chris.
对。
Mhmm.
哎呀。
Aw.
你看这个。
Look at that.
W二。
W two.
现在躺下。
Now lie down.
去躺下吧。
Go lie down.
去躺着吧。
Go lie down.
你说你妈对那事儿不太高兴，你们之间当时真有矛盾吗？
When you say your mom wasn't stoked about that, was that, like, real friction between you guys?
没有。
No.
我的意思是，她其实特别支持我，但就像我说的，陪我唱歌已经成了她的事业。
I mean, she was really supportive, but like like I said, it had become her career singing with me.
所以她得为这个彻底调整自己的生活方式，方方面面都得改。
So it was like, she had to adjust her whole lifestyle and everything for that.
哦，天哪。
Oh, wow.
你懂的。
You know?
那你肯定很难做决定，毕竟知道这会让妈妈不开心。
That'd be a hard decision for you then, knowing that that's gonna bum your mom out.
算是，也不是。
Yes and no.
我只是特别有动力。
I I just like I was so driven.
12岁？
At 12?
当然了。
Oh, yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
那是一种什么感觉呢？
Well, what was the feeling?
你说你特别有动力，那内心到底是什么在推着你？
Like, when you say you're so driven, like, what was it inside you that made you wanna
我只是特别喜欢创作音乐、表演和写歌。
I just loved making music and performing and writing.
我知道，这辈子我根本不可能做别的事。
And I knew I just there was no, like, option of anything else I would do with my life.
我也清楚，总不能一辈子跟妈妈一起唱歌。
And I knew I wasn't gonna sing with my mom my whole life.
你懂的。
You know?
所以我得给自己争取点时间。
So I had get some time.
是的。
Yeah.
十二岁的时候。
At 12.
对。
Yeah.
这太不可思议了。
That's so crazy.
天啊
God.
这也太多了吧。
That's a lot.
我特别讨厌学校，一直求着要在家上学，可就是没办成。
Hated school so much, and I begged to be homeschooled, and we couldn't figure that out.
所以我16岁的时候就退学了。
So I ended up dropping out when I was 16.
你为什么那么讨厌学校？
Why'd you hate it so much?
因为我一心扑在音乐上，觉得在学校里是在浪费时间。
Because I was so focused on music, I felt like I was wasting my time in school.
真没想到。
Wow.
对啊。
Yeah.
我有个代数老师，她说了一句话，居然让我一下子燃起来了，虽然是正面的那种。
There was this teacher that my algebra teacher, she said something to me that kind of lit a fire under my ass in a good way.
她跟我说，音乐不是正经职业。
She told me music isn't a career.
我当时就想，好啊，你等着瞧。
And I was like, I'll show you, bitch.
从那以后，我退学了，再也没回过学校。
And so I dropped out and I never went back after she said that.
有太多老师对孩子说这种话，影响可大了。
There's so many teachers that have influence over children that say things like that.
这种话实在太不负责任了。
And it's such a crazy irresponsible thing to say.
是啊。
Yeah.
那之前我因为前一天晚上有演出，没写作业，结果第二天考试，我考了满分。
Because I had I had missed or I hadn't done my homework because I had a show the night before this, and then we had a test, and I aced the test.
我以前是个好学生。
I was a good student.
成绩差不多是3.9。
I had, like, a 3.9.
但我考了满分，她却说，你得跟班上其他人一样按时交作业。
But I aced the test, and but she was like, but you gotta do your homework just like everybody else in this class.
我说，我那天有演出。
And I was like, I had a show.
我没法做。
I couldn't.
我没时间。
I didn't have time.
她还说，音乐算不上正经职业。
And she was like, well, music's not a career.
这话太离谱了，明明音乐就是个正经职业。
That's such a crazy thing to say because it's clearly a career.
你听音乐到底是为什么？
Like, why do you listen to music?
是谁在创作这些音乐？
Who's making it?
我懂。
I know.
你去听演唱会的时候，人家都是花钱买票的。
When you go to a concert, people are paying.
台上是不是有人在表演？
Is there someone is there someone on stage?
这难道不是一份职业吗？
Is that a career?
这话说得到底是什么意思？
Like, what do you what the fuck does that mean?
就是小地方的营生罢了。
Like, small town career.
在中西部的小城镇，其实哪儿都差不多吧。
Small town Midwest is like I mean, I guess everywhere.
哪儿都一样。
It's everywhere.
大家都觉得得上学，找个好工作。
People push the go to school, you know, get a get a good job.
但我从来就没走过那条路。
And I just wasn't on that path ever.
那么小的年纪就那么专注，确实挺特别的。
It was pretty wild to be that focused at such an early age.
不过那种‘我让你看看厉害’的故事，还真有点意思。
But it is there's it's something fun about those kind of, like, I'll show you bitch stories.
对。
Yeah.
其实我本可以顺着那句话，往另一个方向走。
Like, I could have taken that and been, like, I could have gone the other direction with that comment.
你懂的。
You know?
没错。
Right.
你本可以说：天哪。
You could have said, oh my god.
我不想当个失败者。
I don't wanna be a loser.
不想流落街头。
Don't wanna be homeless.
是的。
Yeah.
好吧。
Like, okay.
她说得对。
She's right.
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她是个成年人，肯定明白。
And she's an adult, so she must know.
对。
Right.
不过呢。
But yeah.
我可不是这么想的。
I didn't the opposite.
人会变老的。
You get older.
我也是。
Me
一场大火。
a fire.
但人越活越明白，其实有很多人在传授经验。
But you get older and you realize, like, there's a lot of people that are teaching.
他们当老师，只是因为需要有人来教而已。
They're, like, they're just teaching because they need a teacher.
并不是因为我们找到了某个特别擅长教育孩子、能真正塑造他们思维和未来的人。
It's not because, like, we found this magical person who's really good at educating children, really good at, like, shaping their minds and their futures.
是的。
Yeah.
不是这样的。
No.
确实有一些好老师。
There's some good teachers.
我当年
Had I
他们当中有不少都是。
had some a lot of them.
我遇到过一些特别好的老师，但她不是其中之一。
I had some really good teachers, but she was not one of them.
想找一个擅长工作但薪水不高的地方，真的很难。
It's hard to find someone that's really good at a job that doesn't pay very well.
确实如此。
It is.
这正是问题的一部分。
That's part of the problem.
这确实是问题的一部分。
That is part of the problem.
如果人类的未来至关重要，教育理应是最重要的一环。
And it's almost like you would think that if the future of humanity is very important, one of the most important things would be education.
所以，找到最优秀的老师应该是重中之重。
So one of the most important things would be finding the best teachers.
那你要怎么做到呢？
And how would you do that?
你得给他们高薪才行。
You would pay them Yeah.
特别好。
Really well.
对。
Yeah.
如果我们真在乎地球的未来，就应该花大价钱，确保这些老师接受过良好教育，真正懂心理学。
Like, if we really cared about the future Earth, we would we would spend a ton of money making sure that these teachers are really well educated and that they really understand psychology.
真正懂得如何激励孩子。
They really understand how to motivate children.
对。
Yeah.
是啊，本来就应该这样。
You would think.
对。
Yeah.
这完全说得通。
That would make a lot of sense.
没错。
Right.
我们明明这么聪明、能干、有创造力，却又愚蠢得离谱，一代又一代任由这种情况持续下去。
We're it's so odd how intelligent and capable and innovative we are and yet so fucking foolish at the same time that we just allow that generation after generation.
差劲的老师拿不到像样的薪水，优秀的老师也得不到应有的回报。
Shitty teachers not getting paid, good teachers not getting rewarded.
是啊。
Mhmm.
你懂的吧？
You know?
等他们退休了，就会想：我这一辈子图个啥？
And then they they retire, and they're like, what was that all for?
是的。
Yeah.
根本没人关心。
Nobody cared.
没人欣赏我所做的事。
Nobody nobody appreciated what I was doing.
你得为自己争取养老金。
You have to fight for your pension.
就像……
Like
整个系统实在太乱了。
The whole system is so messed up.
教育体系简直荒唐透顶。
But the education system is so crazy.
是啊。
Yeah.
说白了，如果你往阴谋论的方向想，这体系本来就是为了培养工厂工人设计的。
Because I mean, essentially, I mean, when you go down the Tinfoil Hat Road, it was essentially designed to make factory workers.
那时候哪像现在这样，孩子从小就开始上学，整天待在学校，父母一整天都见不着人。
I mean, you know, there wasn't really formal schooling like we have now where children go at an early age and show up and, you know, and leave their parents all day.
这在人类历史上其实是很晚近才出现的现象。
That's a fairly recent thing in human history.
他们之所以这么早就把孩子送进学校，就是为了更好地控制他们的思想。
And the reason why they got people really early is because that's how you can brainwash them.
没错。
Right.
等孩子到了十四十五岁，他们差不多已经有了自己的世界观。
You get kids when they're 14, 15 years old, they kinda already have their own view of the world.
那时候再想塑造他们就很难了。
It's hard to shape them.
但要是从五六岁的小孩开始，那就容易多了。
But you get those little five year olds, six year olds.
再加上现在很多家长都要上班，孩子从小就得送进幼儿园。
And then if you get preschool, you know, because a lot of people have to work, you know, parents, both parents work.
所以趁孩子还小，就能把他们塑造成合格的劳动者。
So then you can get the kids real early, and then you can make little workers out of them.
对啊。
Mhmm.
比如排成一列走路，还有就是一切都要听安排。
Like, walk in a single file line and Yeah.
把所有事情都牢牢控制住。
Just like control everything.
没错。
Mhmm.
上课要坐好。
Sit in class.
坐得笔直，正对着前方。
Sit straight ahead.
宣誓效忠。
Pledge allegiance.
举手发言。
Raise your hand.
如果你注意力不集中，那肯定是得了什么病。
If you can't pay attention, you must have a disease.
所以我们得给你开点药。
So we're gonna give you some medication.
没错。
Exactly.
是的。
Yeah.
然后你就觉得，这药简直让人发疯
And then you're like, it's fucking
药效发作得厉害。
busting out.
说实话，我以前也吃过这种药。
Had some of that medication, to be honest.
大概不会吧。
Probably not.
不。
No.
不。
No.
我 definitely 觉得自己是没被诊断出来的 ADHD 病例，但我觉得几乎每个人都是。
I I definitely think I'm an undiagnosed ADHD case, but I feel like almost everybody is.
只要是有点本事的人。
Well, anybody that's any good at anything.
昨天我和朋友埃里克聊过这事，我就说，我觉得这简直就是超能力。
I we had this conversation yesterday with my friend Eric, and I was like, I think it's a fucking superpower.
是的。
Yeah.
我真的这么觉得。
I really do.
我觉得这完全不是坏事。
I I I don't think it's negative at all.
是的
Yeah.
要是无聊的事，我根本没法集中注意力。
There's a lot of shit I can't pay attention to if it's boring.
对。
Right.
一觉得无聊，我就走神了。
If it's boring, I check-in
但遇到特别着迷的事，你又能极度专注。
and check super hyper focus on things that you're obsessed with.
对吧？
Right?
当然了。
Oh, yeah.
我根本不需要睡觉。
Like, I don't need to sleep.
是的
Yeah.
如果真有意思，我能连续几天不睡觉，一旦专注起来就这样，所以我得远离电子游戏这类东西。
Like, I could stay up for days if something is really interesting, if I get focused, which is why I have to stay away from video games and stuff like that.
对啊
Oh, yeah.
你就是
You just
完全进入状态。
I just lock in.
一陷进去就是好几个小时。
Sucked in for hours.
是的
Yeah.
这成了个问题。
It's a problem.
是的。
Yeah.
但也不只是电子游戏的问题。
And but but it's not just video games.
只要是特别喜欢的事，都会这样。
It's like anything that I really love.
但要是我对某件事没兴趣，就根本吸收不进去。
But things that I I'm not interested in, it's like I can't absorb it.
那感觉就像我上高中的时候一样。
It just goes in and that's what high school was like for me.
上课的时候，我就坐在那儿。
It was like I'd be in class.
心里想着：这简直是一种折磨。
I'd be like, this is torture.
但只要碰到真正喜欢的东西，我马上就全神贯注了。
But then I'd find something I really loved and I'd be like fully locked in.
是的。
Yeah.
但我花了好长时间才明白，因为我一直觉得自己会是个失败者。
But it took a while for me to because I just thought I was gonna be a loser.
我觉得自己根本不可能胜任任何工作。
I'm like, clearly, I can never hold a job.
我就是没法听从安排。
I'm not I I can't take direction.
我也集中不了注意力。
I'm not I can't pay attention.
我肯定哪里有问题。
Like, there's something wrong with me.
我觉得自己就是那种边缘人，永远融不进任何圈子。
Like, I'm not I'm just gonna be one of those people that's just kinda a fringe person that's never, you know, never fits in anywhere.
我想，算了。
I'm like, okay.
这就是真实的我。
This is who I am.
我就靠一些零散的活儿养活自己。
I'll just get some weird odd jobs to feed myself with.
我当时真就是这么想自己未来的。
Like, this is literally how I was thinking about my future.
可你现在看看你。
And look at you now.
我算是运气好。
Well, I got lucky.
我找到了一些不走寻常路的路子。
I found some things that are unconventional.
可现在还有那么多孩子被告诉，音乐算不上正经职业。
But there's so many children out there that are told, like, hey, music isn't a career.
你知道的。
You know?
嘿，你知道的，随它吧。
Hey, you know, whatever.
演戏、写书，不管啥，喜剧也行。
Acting, writing books, whatever it is, comedy.
没错。
Mhmm.
有人跟你说不行，是因为他们自己没做成。
Somebody is there telling you because they didn't do it that you can't do it.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yep.
真让人遗憾。
It's a bummer.
是的。
Yeah.
我小时候其实是个艺术家。
Like, I was an artist when I was young.
我特别小的时候就想当漫画插画师。
I wanted to be a comic book illustrator when I was really young.
我高中时遇到一个特别烂的美术老师，简直让人讨厌。
And I had one shitty high school art teacher who was just such a twat.
他太糟糕了，我高三那年就彻底放弃画画了。
He was so bad and I just I quit art my senior year.
我当时就想，宁可不去上他的课，反正学校不大，就他一个美术老师。
I was like, don't wanna go to this guy's fucking class like because it wasn't a big high school and he was the only art teacher.
所以我就干脆不学了。
So I quit.
他到底做了什么？
What what did he do?
他就总是泼冷水。
He was just negative.
哦。
Oh.
他就说不行，因为我只想画自己想画的东西。
He was like, you can't because I just wanted to draw what I wanted to draw.
对啊。
Right.
你知道的，我当时特别喜欢漫画，比如野蛮人柯南、超级英雄之类的。
You know, and I was into comic book stuff like Conan the Barbarian and superheroes and stuff like that.
他说，靠这个根本赚不到钱。
And he was like, you're not gonna make a living doing that.
你最后大概只能去画尿布广告之类的东西。
You're most likely gonna have to do like advertisements for like diapers, like diaper ads.
我当时就想，什么？
And I was like, fucking What?
尿布广告？
Diaper ad?
他居然拿尿布广告当理由。
Like, that's his explanation that he used diaper ads.
我看着他，他一副闷闷不乐的样子。
And I would look at him and he just looks like he looked depressed.
他是个瘦瘦高高、肚子有点凸的家伙。
He was like this skinny guy with a pot belly and
他大概是个没混出名堂的画家，只好转行当美术老师。
Well, he's probably an artist that didn't make it as an artist and he had to become an art teacher instead.
没错。
Exactly.
所以他心里挺憋屈的，
And so he's like bitter and
是啊。
Yeah.
后来我们看了他的作品，也明白了这一点。
Well, we realized that too when we looked at his actual art.
我们心想，这画得也太差了吧。
We're like, This ain't very good.
完全没什么灵感。
Not so inspired.
这作品里一点激情都没有。
There's not a lot of fire in that belly.
你懂的。
You know?
就是一个整天闷闷不乐、提不起劲的普通人。
This is just a boring dude who's just, like, depressed and sad.
他 probably 喝了不少酒。
He probably drank a lot.
我们看到一个瘦瘦的人，肚子却挺大。
We see a skinny person with a big belly.
这种情况，多半是喝酒喝的。
Usually, it's like booze.
是的。
Yeah.
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我的意思是，音乐圈里也有不少这样的人。
I mean, there's there's a lot of people like that even in, like, the music industry.
我觉得圈子里很多所谓的专家，其实都是当初自己当艺术家没混出名堂，转过头来告诉你该怎么做、该怎么搞。
I feel like a lot of the experts in the game are just, like, people who were artists and didn't make it, another bidder, and then they try to tell you how everything should go or how you should do everything and
是啊。
Oh, yeah.
我年轻的时候也被这套说辞骗过一阵子，那时候……
That got me for a while Well when I was really young and
我觉得那些人就像背在身上的包袱，你知道吧？
I feel like those people are like weights that you have to carry, you know?
一种阻力。
Resistance.
你之所以变强，恰恰是因为要应对这些胡说八道的人，他们的想法根本站不住脚。
You build up strength from dealing with those bullshit people because they're stupid ideas.
它们真的会钻进你脑子里，让你不得不跟它们较劲。
They get they actually get in your head and you have to wrestle with them.
没错。
For sure.
尤其是你特别年轻的时候。
Especially when you're super young.
我刚搬去洛杉矶的时候才十七岁。
Like, I was when I first moved to LA, I was 17.
天哪。
Woah.
一个人去的？
By yourself?
是的。
Yeah.
真不敢相信。
Woah.
天哪。
Woah.
是的。
Yeah.
这太疯狂了。
That's crazy.
我当时特别青涩，来自中西部小镇的女孩。
And I was, like, very green, small town, Midwest girl.
天哪。
Woah.
刚到洛杉矶，就那样……
Just dropped in LA and, like
而且长得还挺漂亮。
And really pretty.
这可真是个糟糕的组合。
That's a terrible combination.
哦，这感觉真怪。
Oh, it's weird.
十七岁的时候特别漂亮。
Really pretty 17.
那会儿简直太离谱了。
It was weird as fuck.
中西部。
Midwest.
天哪。
Oh god.
是啊。
Yeah.
看看你现在。
Look at you now.
剃了光头，还纹了身。
Shaved head tattoo on it.
是的
Yep.
对
Yeah.
不过你最后挺过来了，挺好的。
You came out on the other end good, though.
但你不觉得吗，像那种经历——比如在17岁的时候搬到洛杉矶这种地方，面对各种怪事、不确定性，还有那种说不清的古怪感？
But isn't it true, though, that, like, like, those kind of experiences, like, ex experiencing, like, oddity and uncertainty and just, like, the the weirdness of, like, moving to a place like LA when you're 17?
当你熬过来之后，你就完全不一样了。
Like, when you get through it on the other end, you're a different person.
你变得更坚强了。
You're a stronger person.
当然。
For sure.
每一段经历都会让人变得更强大。
I mean, every experience makes you stronger.
对吧？
Right?
所以是这样。
So yeah.
我直接一头扎进了洛杉矶这个混乱的环境里，那种文化冲击真的...
I just threw myself into this crazy mix in LA, and it was culture shock, like
那你是什么时候搬去洛杉矶的？
So what year was this when you moved to LA?
我当时17岁。
So I was 17.
我本该是2004届的毕业生。
So and I was in the graduate or I should have been in the graduating class of 2004.
我觉得是2003年。
Think 2003.
对。
Yeah.
2003年，2004年。
2003, 2004.
对。
Yeah.
是啊。
Yeah.
我当时跟文化俱乐部的吉他手住在一起。
And I lived with the guitar player from Culture Club.
真的吗？
Really?
罗伊·海。
Roy Hay.
天哪。
Wow.
对。
Yeah.
他在威尼斯有栋房子，我就睡在他沙发上，那场面可太疯狂了。
He had a house in Venice, and I crashed on on his couch and it was wild.
Culture Club。
Culture Club.
Boy George。
Boy George.
对。
Mhmm.
你跟Boy George常来往吗？
Do you hang out with boy George?
不。
No.
从来没？
Never?
没有。
No.
他当时不在那儿。
He wasn't there.
就只是
Was just
吉他手。
guitar player.
在打电话。
On the phone.
哦。
Oh.
没有。
No.
是的。
Yeah.
那场面真够疯狂的。
It was wild.
我刚搬进来第一个月，隔壁就出了命案。
There was a murder next door the first month I moved in.
是啊。
Yeah.
小巷子里扔着一床带血的床垫，警察把所有房子都用警戒带围了起来，还挨个问我们有没有听到尖叫。
There's like a bloody mattress in the little alleyway between the houses and they taped they caution taped off all the the houses and they had to question us about like, we hear screaming?
我当时就坐在台阶上，尸体还没运走，根本不让离开。
And so I was just, like, sitting there on the steps, not allowed to leave while they were taking the body out.
法医把尸体抬上车后，居然走过来坐我旁边，开始搭讪。
And then the coroner, after he put the body in the truck, he came and sat next to me on the steps and started, like, hitting on me.
他说：‘你真是个漂亮的姑娘。’
He was like he was like, you're a very beautiful girl.
我心里想：‘你刚碰过一具尸体啊。’
I'm like, you were just touching a dead body.
这也太离谱了。
This is so weird.
我在哪儿？
Where am I?
天哪。
Oh god.
这也太离谱了。
That's crazy.
是的。
Yeah.
欢迎来到洛杉矶。
Welcome to LA.
对啊。
Yeah.
他倒是很快就从那具尸体的事儿里缓过来了。
He got over that dead body real quick.
是的。
Yeah.
嘿，有个事。
Like, hey.
你老家是哪儿的？
Where are you from?
是啊。
Yeah.
他指甲缝里全是血。
Fucking blood in his fingernails.
对。
Yeah.
真恶心。
Gross.
天哪。
Wow.
这简直像电影里的情节。
That's a movie.
是的
Mhmm.
嗯，2003年的洛杉矶还算可以。
Well, LA in 2003 was still okay.
对。
Yeah.
那时候还不算太糟，你知道的。
It was like not bad, you know?
虽然还是堵车，各种情况都有，但还没像现在这样彻底乱套。
There was still traffic and everything, but it hadn't gone completely sideways like it is now.
我每次回去都觉得特别奇怪。
It's so weird when I go back.
我心想，这地方完全认不出来了。
I'm like, this is unrecognizable.
根本不像以前那个地方了。
It's it doesn't seem like the same place.
每栋楼的每个招牌上都写着‘出租’。
Every sign has a for every building has a for lease sign on it.
这简直太离谱了。
It's like, this is nuts.
你很难相信，看到这种景象，就像当年底特律那样——你看过《罗杰与我》那部电影吗？
Like, it's hard to believe that this is that you're like, when you see things like Detroit did you ever see that movie Roger and Me?
没看过。
Mm-mm.
那是一部很棒的电影。
It's a great movie.
迈克尔·摩尔拍的，讲的是底特律汽车工业崩溃，工厂全搬去墨西哥的事。
It's, Michael Moore, and it's all about the collapse of the Detroit, automotive industry and how they moved all the plants to Mexico.
工厂一搬走，底特律、弗林特还有周边整个地区的经济就彻底崩了。
And when they did that, the entire economy of Detroit and Flint, Michigan and all these areas just collapsed.
成千上万的人瞬间失业，连个盼头都没有。
Like, tens of hundreds of thousands of people out of work instantaneously with no prospects.
整个产业都消失了。
The industry was gone.
这画面太可怕了，就是一些贪婪的人为了多赚点钱，干脆把整座城市毁了，把工厂全搬去那些能用一美元一天雇人的地方，管他们到底付多少呢。
And it's a horrific depiction of what can happen when greedy people decide that they'll they'll completely sabotage an entire city so they can make, you know, x amount more dollars and move all the factories to places where you can pay people a dollar a day or whatever the fuck they pay them.
我以前是见过这种事，但当时我觉得，哦，那都是八十年代或者六十年代，城市还兴旺的时候的事了。
And, you know, I had seen that, but I was like, oh, that was, you know, nineteen eighties or nineteen sixties, whenever when the when when the the place was booming.
底特律曾经一度是世界上第三富有的城市。
Like, Detroit was, at one point in time, I think the third richest city in the world.
天哪。
Woah.
是的。
Yeah.
你去查查是不是真的。
See if that's true.
我知道这是真的。
I appreciate it's true.
但这一切都只是因为汽车制造业的衰落。
But it was all just because the automobile manufacturing.
我的意思是，所有东西都是在那里生产的。
I mean, everything was made there.
福特、雪佛兰、克莱斯勒，我们所有的大牌汽车，全都消失了。
Ford, Chevy, Chrysler, all of our big cars, and it just gone.
就像一座鬼城。
Like a ghost town.
就像一座鬼城。
Like a ghost town.
当我去底特律工作时，我总会想，天啊。
And, you know, and when I visited Detroit to work, I'd be like, wow.
这太不可思议了。
This is crazy.
你甚至能看到树从房子中间长出来。
You see trees growing through the middle of houses.
房子都塌了，根本没人去打理。
The houses are collapsed and, like, literally nobody took care of the house.
完全被遗弃了。
It was abandoned.
树从屋顶长出来，慢慢把这些房子重新吞没。
So trees grow through the roofs and they're reclaiming these homes.
你经过那些巨大的工业建筑时，会看到——
You see, you go by these gigantic, like, buildings, like industrial buildings.
所有窗户都碎了。
All the windows are broken.
是啊。
Yeah.
全都一样。
Everything.
没有任何可靠的史料记载底特律曾是世界第三富有的城市。
No reliable historical source shows Detroit as the third richest city in the world.
人们常说，底特律其实是当时世界上最富有的城市，或者至少美国在上世纪五十年代的生活水平是全球最高的，而不是第三。
The common claim is actually Detroit was the richest city in the world or at least The US was one of the highest living standards around nineteen fifties, not third.
哦，所以它是最富有的？
Oh, so it's the richest?
天哪。
Woah.
是的。
Yeah.
其实并不是。
It's not
对。
true.
那不是普遍的说法吗？
It's not that's the common claim?
对。
Yeah.
实际情况是这样。
What it actually was.
当时家庭收入中位数比全美平均水平高出约百分之二十，全靠汽车工业带动。
Very high medium household income around 20% above US average, and it's all because of the automotive industry.
对。
Mhmm.
住房拥有率也是全国最高的之一。
One of the highest homeownership rates in the country.
正因为如此，许多评论员和当地的历史记载都把底特律描述为上世纪五十年代美国最富裕的城市，甚至有人称它是当时全球生活水平最高的城市。
Because of this, many commentators and locals' histories describe Detroit as the wealthiest city in The US and by some accounts having the highest standard of living in the world in that era.
关于底特律的报道和旅游介绍总说它在五十年代是全世界最富有的城市，而不是第三富有的。
Articles and tours about Detroit repeatedly referred to it as the wealthiest city in the world in the nineteen fifty fifties, not as the third wealthiest.
那么，它当时真的是全世界最富有的城市吗？
So is that true then that it was the wealthiest city in the world?
关于底特律历史的旅游介绍。
Tours about Detroit's history.
说它是世界第三富有的城市，这种说法其实来自网络段子和社交媒体帖子。
The third richest city in the world line seems to come from its memes, social posts.
明白了。
Okay.
这些帖子常常把真实事实混在一起，或者夸大其词。
These posts are often mix or exaggeration of real facts.
底特律在美国确实非常富裕，但说它是世界第三，当时并没有可靠的全球人均收入数据支持这种排名。
Detroit truly was exceptionally rich by US standards, but rankings like third in the world are not backed by clear clearly documented global per capita income comparisons from that period.
所以它确实很富裕。
Well, so it was rich.
我们现在并不富裕。
We are not wealthy.
那时候非常富足。
Was very wealthy.
不管怎么说。
Either way.
当你想想全世界的情况，人们总爱说‘前1%’这种说法。
And when you think about the rest of the world, you know, like, you know, people love to use that term, the 1%, like, top 1%.
你知道在全球范围内，这个‘前1%’意味着什么吗？
Do you know what that is, like, for the world?
不知道。
No.
不清楚。
No.
到底是多少？
What is it?
三万四千美元。
$34,000.
这怎么可能。
No fucking way.
是的。
Yeah.
年收入三万四千美元，就能跻身全球前1%。
$34,000 is the top 1% of Earth.
这太离谱了。
That's crazy.
真的太离谱了。
Crazy.
确实很离谱。
That's crazy.
那在美国，前1%是多少？
What is it for The US?
前1%？
1%?
要是让我猜的话，咱们来猜一猜。
If I had to guess let's guess.
我猜得有五十万美元一年。
I bet it's like $500,000 a year.
你觉得呢？
Do you think?
你觉得会是多少？
What do you think it is?
2.5美元。
$2.50.
2.5美元？
$2.50?
你觉得会是多少，杰米？
What do you think it is, Jamie?
我觉得就是这个数。
That's that's my guess.
不过我也不是很确定。
I don't know, though.
150。
A 150.
一百五？
150?
对。
Yeah.
前1%？
Top 1%?
对。
Yeah.
哇。
Wow.
在猜呢。
Guessing.
好吧。
Alright.
我们来
Let's let's
哦，那是你的猜测。
Oh, that's your guess.
把这事儿丢给Perplexity查查。
Throw that in Perplexity.
对。
Yeah.
所以我猜我也不想看。
So I was guessing I don't wanna look.
把这玩意儿丢进Perplexity。
Throw that sucker in Perplexity.
Perplexity。
Perplexity.
我刚才说什么来着？
What did I say?
五十万？
A half a million?
是的
Yeah.
美国前1%，70万美元。
Top 1% of The US, 700,000.
天啊。
Dang.
对。
Yeah.
你最接近了。
You're the closest.
每年70万到80万，甚至更多，具体看数据来源。
700 to 800,000 or more depending on the data source in year.
这真够离谱的。
That's pretty crazy.
根据多数分析，美国的门槛在70万到79万美元之间。
So for The United States, 700 and third to $790,000 per year, most analysis.
而世界其他地方，只有三万四千美元。
And then for the rest of the world, 34,000.
天哪。
Wow.
太离谱了。
Crazy.
这简直不可思议。
That's wild.
这简直不可思议。
That's wild.
是啊。
Yeah.
这就是资本主义。
That's capitalism.
没错。
Yep.
但我猜，美国之所以有这么高的收入，背后肯定有原因。
But I bet there's probably some truth to in order for The United States to have such a high income.
其他一些国家得被压榨才行。
These other countries have to get fucked over.
在全球范围内，你只要年收入六万到七万美元，就能跻身前1%。
Globally, you only need an annual income on the order of 60,000 to 70,000 to be the top 1%.
哦，以前是34%。
Oh, it used to be 34%.
三万四千美元。
34,000.
这个数字一直在变。
Fluctuates.
有一项广为引用的研究指出，2012年时，年收入五万美元就能进入全球前1%。
One widely cited analysis found in 2012, annual income of 50,000 was enough to be in the global 1%.
那这个三万四千美元的数据是从哪儿来的？
So where's that 34,000 come from?
当时网上也流传着这个梗。
It was a meme that was going around too.
哦，真是烦人的梗啊。
Oh, fucking memes.
我的意思是，可能有点道理，但再说一遍，这不过是梗罢了。
I mean, it might have been kinda true, but, again, yeah, memes.
我看到一个特别聪明的人也转过这个说法。
I saw it repeated by someone very intelligent.
我以前查过，但……
I've looked it up before, but I
我觉得这
think it
就是个梗。
was a meme.
好吧。
Okay.
我再查一下，上面是这么说的。
I'll look it up again too, it says.
不管怎样。
Either way.
我老是收到这种梗。
I get I get those memes get me all the time.
哦。
Oh.
我会跟你说，亲爱的，你快看这个。
I'm like, babe, look at this.
然后你去看评论，人家就说，我来假装一下。
And then you go to the comments and it's like, oh, I'll fake.
是的。
Yeah.
这种事挺多的。
There's a lot of that.
但你知道，底特律那件事最让人气愤的地方就在于此。
But, you know, that's the the dirty thing about what what they did with Detroit.
他们明明知道那些人穷得没办法，却还故意利用他们，只求他们肯干活。
Like, they decided that they'll take advantage of these people that are ultra poor, that are work willing to work with.
不只是他们每天挣一美元，或者多少那点钱的问题。
And it's not just that they get paid a dollar a day or whatever they get paid.
关键是，他们连医疗保险都没有。
It's there's no health care.
没有任何福利。
There's no benefits.
也没有退休金。
There's no retirement.
连牙科保障都没有。
There's no dental.
什么都没有。
There's no nothing.
你拿到那点钱，剩下的就得自己想办法了。
You just get that money and then figure it out on your own.
然后你买辆福特车，还觉得它是美国造的。
And then, you know, you buy a Ford car and you think it's made in America.
常听说年收入三万四千美元就能跻身全球前1%，但这个说法来自过时的网络传言。
Commonly repeated claim, the annual income about $34,000 US puts you in the top 1% of the world, but this comes from rough older viral estimates.
并没有基于最新的全球权威数据。
It's not based on current rigorous global data.
现在更精确的工具和数据表明，三万四千美元确实远高于全球平均水平，但更接近全球前5%到10%，而不是前1%。
More careful tools and datasets now suggest that $34,000 places you well above the global median, but likely closer to roughly the top five to 10% worldwide rather than the top 1%.
明白了。
Okay.
所以看起来是这样
So it appears
社会确实如此。
that social yeah.
60岁的时候还是这样。
60 is still like.
没错。
Right.
你勉强维持生计。
You're barely getting by.
是的。
Yeah.
在美国赚五万美元，简直是在苦苦支撑。
If you make $50,000 in America, like, you're fucking struggling.
对啊。
Yeah.
除非你特别年轻。
Unless you're super young.
你没什么积蓄。
You don't have any
保险，那算是。
insurance That's
好问题。
a good question.
比如，美国公立学校老师的平均工资是多少？
Like, what's the average public school teacher salary in America?
咱们猜一猜。
Let's guess.
我觉得大概六万吧。
I think it's, like, $60?
我觉得差不多就是这个数。
I think it's about that.
我的意思是，我
I mean I
我打赌也就是这个数。
bet it's about that.
是的。
Yeah.
猜错就糟了。
Bad to guess.
实际上可能更低一些。
Might be less, actually.
到底是多少？
What is it?
七万四千美元。
74,000.
现在美国公立学校教师的平均年薪是七万四到七万五千美元。
Public school teachers now average 74,000 to $75,000 per year.
所以你看，收入还算不错。
So that's like you know, you're okay.
这得看你住在哪儿。
Depends on where you live.
是的
Yeah.
对
Yeah.
但你要是在纽约，那就惨了
Well, if you live in New York, you're fucked.
是的
Yeah.
你要是在纽约，住的就是个盒子
If you live in New York, you live in a box.
是的
Yeah.
对
Yeah.
在威斯康星州，这已经很不错了
That's pretty good for Wisconsin.
加利福尼亚和纽约。
California, New York.
明白了。
Okay.
各州的平均薪资，从最低的到超过九万美元的，像加利福尼亚和纽约这样的高薪地区。
State averages, lowest paying states to above $90,000 and the highest paying ones like California and New York.
所以加利福尼亚和纽约，大概是九万美元。
So California and New York, $90,000.
有估算说实际数字要低得多。
One estimate says that it's it's way lower.
哦，新入职教师的起薪比整体平均低不少。
Oh, starting teacher pays significantly lower than the overall average.
哎呀。
Uh-oh.
全美估算的教师起薪平均大约是四万八千美元。
National estimate the average starting teacher salary about $48,000.
天啊。
Wow.
也就是说，要积累多年经验，通常还得有硕士学历，才能达到或超过七万四千美元的平均薪资。
Meaning, takes years of experience and often advanced degrees to reach or exceed that $74,000 average.
所以，就算你吸引到特别聪明的人，哪怕他们特别喜欢孩子，也会说：这活儿我干不了。
So if you get, like, really intelligent people, even if they love children, they're like, I can't do this.
我没法过这种日子。
I can't live like this.
没错。
Yeah.
你刚入行时一年才四万八千美元。
You start off at $48,000 a year.
这简直太离谱了。
That's fucking bonkers.
一周连一千美元都不到，还得交税，租房子，买吃的，再养辆车，
That's not even a thousand dollars a week, and then you have taxes, and then you have an apartment, and then you have food, and then you have a car,
还要养孩子。
and then Kids.
你
You
唉。
Ugh.
是的。
Yeah.
唉。
Ugh.
唉。
Ugh.
人是怎么撑下去的？
How do people do it?
这挺奇怪的，我们的优先级居然放错了地方。
Which is weird that we put our priorities in strange places.
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