#2510 - 德文·拉雷特

对，就是这样。

Like Right.

有点像用锤子砸下去的那种动作。

With like almost like a hammer type motion.

没错。

Mhmm.

明白吧？

Right?

所以本质上，这就像是在做弯举。

So you're basically it's almost like a curl.

其实更复杂一些，但这是理解它的第一步。

It's it's more complicated, but that's like the first way to start to think about it.

很多人一想到掰手腕，就想着把对方压下去。

Like people think about arm wrestling and think about pinning each other.

对。

Right.

这种想法对这项运动来说太片面了。

And this is this is a very shortsighted way to think about the sport.

你总想着把对手拉向自己。

You you think about pulling the match close to you.

所谓的‘上抬滑动’是一种向上旋转、滑动的动作，最终目的是让你握得更稳。

This this concept of rising is this upwards spinning slipping motion where the end result is you have a better grip.

不管对方使出什么招数，都会撞上他们最弱的一环——指尖的控制力。

And anything that they try and do, it's gonna go through the weakest system they have which is their fingertips.

对的。

Yeah.

拥有强大的握力当然很重要。

So it is great to have an awesome grip.

真的吗？

Really

但也不是所有情况都靠这个。

not everything.

按比例算的话，我平时训练要做21组左右。

I I so, like, proportionately in my workload, if I was doing 21 sets, 21 or I think I do 21 working sets typically in my workouts.

其中有一组是专门练握力的。

One of them is dedicated purely to grip.

每天都要练吗？

Every day?

一整天都在练。

All day.

一整天都在练。

All day.

所以你是把训练分散在全天进行？

So you just do them throughout the day?

我现在生活很简单。

I I lead a very simple life at the moment.

那就安排好节奏。

So structure it.

你是怎么做到的？

Like, how do you do it?

我现在的安排是这样的，我觉得自己可能是世界上对臂力摔这项运动最投入的人之一，无论从时间还是精力上，我都完全围绕着一周来规划。

My structure right now, and I think that I'm probably one of the most dedicated arm wrestlers in the world in time in in terms of like what I do with my life and how much energy I give the sport is I I base it off of a week.

明白吗？

Okay?

我每周大概会去俱乐部练两次。

So I train with the club probably twice a week.

这个频率会变，但通常就是两次，这两天是我最累的日子。

This changes, but typically I'm going twice a week and these are my hardest days.

我去那儿就是拼尽全力，把所有潜能都榨干。

And I go in there and I just completely redline and Max out in the sport.

该做的全做到了，一点不剩。

Okay all the Exactly what I got to do.

我每次都是以最高强度在训练。

I'm doing it my highest highest capacity.

我还有我的家人。

I I have my my family.

我们全家都是摔跤手，我儿子也是职业选手。

We're all my wrestlers sell my kid He I mean he's a pro too.

真厉害。

Wow.

是的。

Yeah.

他这个周末要参赛。

He's competing this weekend.

太疯狂了。

That's crazy.

没错，确实挺疯狂的。我们有自己的训练方式，经常一起练，但真正高强度的训练每周就两次，剩下的时间就陪孩子做点别的。

Yeah, it's crazy So we like we we have our own thing where we'll hit a hit a met like we'll train together But really two hard sessions a week and then whatever I fit in with my kids.

其他日子就轻松多了。

And then the rest of the days are like mindless.

这种单调的程度简直到了极致。

Not just the monotony level is extreme.

我老婆和我，我都退休了，对吧？

My wife and I, I'm retired, right?

所以我有的是时间。

So I have nothing but time.

我尽量把所有精力都投入到里面。

And I try to make I just try and put everything into it.

整天都是这样，真的。

So, like, it's all day, man.

一整天都是这样。

It's all day.

我一醒来就开始训练，一整天都在练。

I wake up and I'm training, like, all day.

所以这些器械，就是你用的那些东西。

So these machines, like, this is some of the shit that you have.

是的

Yeah.

那这个机器是专门用来练臂力摔的吗？

Now is this a machine that's specifically designed for arm wrestling?

这东西是本来就有的，还是你参与设计的？

This did this exist, or did you go did you help create this?

这台机器其实是从史上最厉害的女子臂力摔选手莉安·迪弗雷斯内，还有约翰尼·罗伯茨那儿传给我的。

This actually machine is handed down for me from the best female arm wrestler ever to exist, Liane Dufresne, Johnny Roberts.

所以这算是非常标准的臂力摔训练设备。

So this is like a very standard arm wrestling equipment.

其实就是一张带拉力系统的臂力摔台。

It's basically an arm wrestling table with a cable system.

而且这东西特别老了。

And this is super old.

明白吗？

Okay?

你眼前这张桌子，已经有四十年历史了。

This this table you're looking at here, that's like 40 year old table.

但它到现在还能用。

And it's it's still working.

不过，你确实可以买到带滑轮系统的训练桌。

But, yeah, you can buy pulley system on a table.

而我平时做的，基本上就这些。

And that's really like, this is basically all I do.

我靠这张桌子练，调整不同角度和阻力，完全模拟臂力比赛中的发力状态。

I work on off of a table, different angles, different pressures that all just replicate the pressures in arm wrestling.

所以你用的是这种像PVC管一样的粗握把，用来练指尖力量和手腕转动，专门强化那种把对手手腕压翻的姿势？

So you have a a fat grip, looks like a PVC tube, and then you're using that to work your fingertips and roll your wrists and just get to be really strong at that position where you're turning someone's wrist over?

我们管这个叫多向旋转器。

We call that a multi spinner.

有意思的是，你注意看，它只有一个固定点。

And what's interesting about it is you see it's a single point attachment.

对。

Mhmm.

所以这就像给手腕用的瑞士球。

So it's a little bit like Swiss ball for the wrist.

所以这是个瑞士球？

So it's it's a Swiss ball?

那是什么？

What's that?

就是那种瑞士球，很多人用来做深蹲的那种球。

You know, like a Swiss ball, like, people do, like, squats on them, like the ball.

在健身房，人们会用它，比如——

In the gym, people do, like Oh,

像波速球吗？

like a Bosu ball?

你是说那种

Is that what

它叫什么来着？

it's called?

Bosu球是半圆形的。

Bosu is like a half.

对吧？

Right?

哦，原来就是这个啊？

Oh, is that what it is?

明白了。

Okay.

瑞士球就是那种大圆球。

Swiss ball is like just the big round balls

就是你们用的那种。

that you Okay.

对。

Yeah.

你看到有人用那种瑜伽球吧。

And you see people Like a yoga ball.

是的。

Yeah.

不管他们怎么叫。

Whatever they Mhmm.

他们管这叫什么。

They call them.

对。

Right.

你有没有跳过瑞士球，或者在上面做过深蹲？

You ever jumped on a Swiss ball and done squats or anything?

没有。

No.

明白了。

Okay.

我有一个半圆形的，平时就用它做练习。

Well I have the the half one

对。

Yeah.

我拿它做各种动作。

That I do stuff on.

对。

Yeah.

瑞士球的稳定性差得多。

Swiss ball is way more unstable.

所以原理差不多，都是让手腕特别不稳定。

So it's a similar concept where it's it's very unstable through the wrist.

明白。

Mhmm.

虽然有很多种握法，但摔跤里其实就那么几种基本动作。

And there's different wraps, but there's like a few base moves in arm wrestling.

大概是上滚、钩压和推压。

Probably top rolling, hooking, and pressing.

你整天就做这种事？

And you just do shit like this all day?

整天都这样。

All day.

这还是我减量训练期间呢。

And this is in my taper.

明白吧？

Okay?

我知道。

I know.

太疯狂了。

It's crazy.

这才是最难的部分。

That's the hardest part.

这在你的哪个房间？

This is in your what room?

这在我地下室。

This is in my basement.

哦，你的地下室啊。

Oh, your base room.

是的。

Yeah.

你看到的这些，是我六七周前挑战俄罗斯冠军维塔利·莱滕之前的最后一次训练。

And what you see here, this was actually my final workout before I pulled the Russian champion Vitaly Letten like six, seven weeks ago.

所以我已经进入减量期了。

So I've tapered.

平时，你看到的这些动作，我每项都要做一百次左右。

Normally, all these movements you see, I'm doing like a 100 repetitions.

所以血流量特别大。

So lots of blood flow.

那你做一百次的时候，重量大概是最大重量的百分之五十左右？

And when you're doing a 100 repetitions at like what 50% max weight?

就是说，

Like,

你用的重量是多少？

what do you what do you weight?

什么重量都不用。

Nothing.

什么都不用。

Nothing.

大概二十磅左右吧。

Like 20 pounds something

是的。

like Yeah.

真的吗？

Really?

这才是关键吗？

Is that the key?

我经常尝试各种方法。

I'm a bit I experiment a lot.

明白吗？

Okay?

我试过好多不同的训练体系，但这是我找到的最有效的方式。

I've done so many different systems, but this is what I've come up with that I think is best.

所以我主要围绕着每周几次全力训练的日子展开，那些日子是100%投入的。

So I basically, it all revolves around these arm wrestling practice days where it's 100%.

我想让身体在这些时候达到最佳状态。

This is what I want my body to to to maximize about.

其他日子，比如周二、周三，我就只做促进血液循环的练习，让血液充分流经手臂发力的那些肌筋膜链。

But the off days, the Tuesday, the Wednesday, the it's all day just doing blood flow, just increasing the amount of blood that flows through the fascia, flows through these chains in arm wrestling motions.

做那一百次，目的就是提升血液循环，尤其是加强结缔组织的供血，而运动真的特别重要。

And the 100 is all all I'm trying to do is increase my circulation, especially through my connective structures, and movement is so essential.

为什么选这个，而不是像那种高强度的力量训练，比如次数少、重量大的那种？

Why that over why is that more beneficial than, like, hard strength training, like, small reps, like low numbers of reps, but high weight?

这个其实很有争议。

So super debatable.

明白吗？

Okay?

我都试过。

And I've done all of it.

对。

Mhmm.

我发现，说到底，人的精力是有限的。

What I've found is, in my opinion, you only have so much energy.

这事儿真得好好权衡，如果我能天天举重、猛练就能进步，我肯定这么干。

And this is something we gotta really weigh in because if I could just smash, you know, heavy stuff all the time and take steps forward, I'd do it.

但我发现，千万别影响你真正想练好的那件事。

But I I found that you don't wanna detract from the thing that you're really, really trying to do.

所以任何影响你完成核心训练的事情，我觉得都应该考虑去掉。

So anything that takes away from your ability to do that, I think you should look at cutting.

我训练中最关键的部分，就摆在那儿了。

The best part of my training is on the table.

凡是会干扰这部分的，我都不想碰。

So anything that kind of messes with that, I don't want to do it.

我试过很多训练方式，都是举重，但问题是它们太耗能量、太费资源。

I've done a lot of systems where I'm lifting heavy, but the thing is is they take energy, they take resources.

我真正想做的，是让身体做好准备，把这项核心任务做到最好。

And what I really want to do is prepare my body so I can do that specific task as as good as possible.

高次数训练能帮我恢复。

The the high rep training heals me.

它真的能帮我恢复。

It heals me.

很多人觉得这得花不少功夫，但我跟你说，其实没那么累。

A lot people are like, oh, that's a lot of work, and I'm like, it's really not.

这简直就像一种疗愈方式。

It's just it's a form of healing almost.

是的。

Yeah.

挺有意思的。

Interesting.

对。

Yeah.

就是血流增加、持续运动，再加上高重复次数。

Just the blood flow and the consistent movement and high repetitions.

没错。

Yes.

这个话题争议很大。

It's this is highly debated.

好吧，但我这些年一直在实践，因为掰手腕确实是个力量项目，没人否认这一点。所以一开始大家都会想，哦，大重量加高重复肯定有风险，你会变成耐力型选手，反而变弱了。

Okay, but I'm proving it over and over over the years I I I started doing because arm wrestling is a strength sport No doubt about it so right away people think oh, you know heavyweight and you know high reps is dangerous because you're going to become an endurance guy and it's it's going to make you weaker.

但当你练得轻的时候，训练总量其实非常大。

But when you go low, your your work volume is tremendous.

明白吗？

Okay?

如果你一整天都做轻重量训练，那总的负重总量会变得惊人。

If you're doing light lightweight all day long, mean, the amount of total weight that you're lifting becomes astronomical.

我认为这种长期的适应效果特别好。

And I think that that adaptation over long periods is wonderful.

如果没有运动，血液根本没法流经结缔组织。

And you can't get the blood flow through the connective structures without movement.

所以这正是我坚持做它的原因。

So this is this is really why I do it.

主要是因为它有修复作用，还能全面提升代谢能力。

The healing aspects, the overall metabolic conditioning that you get.

是的。

Yeah.

而且减量训练也是其中很关键的一部分。

And and the taper is a big part of it as well.

你知道的。

You know?

不过没错，我所有的大重量训练都专门放在运动本身上。

But, yeah, I'm doing all my heavy lifting specifically in the sport.

我现在这个阶段，根本不会做那些大重量训练。

Like, I'm I'm not I'm not doing my heavy lifting at this time in my career.

还有啊，乔，我都51岁了。

And and also, Joe, I'm 51.

而且我伤病不断，所以必须特别小心。

And I'm plagued with injuries, so I have to be very specific.

必须非常精准。

I have to be very precise.

对。

Yeah.

这是我目前找到的最好的方法。

This is the best formula I've come up with.

你年轻的时候，做法不一样吗？

And when you were younger, did you approach it differently?

我犯过太多错误了。

Have made so many mistakes.

最初是怎么做的？

What was the initial approach?

就是尽可能举最重的？

Just lift as heavy as you can?

是的。

Yeah.

能举多重就举多重。

Lift as heavy as I can.

你本来就身材魁梧了。

Well, you're a giant dude already.

对吧？

Right?

你本来就天生骨架大，基因条件好。

So you already naturally have, like, big bones, big genetics.

那你一开始练举重吗？

So did you power lift?

你最初到底是怎么做的？

Like, what did you what'd you do initially?

我以前练柔道。

I was a a judo guy.

我也打篮球。

I was a basketball guy.

我当过兵，所以干过很多不同的事情。

I was a military guy, so I did a lot of different stuff.

我那时候训练很全面。

I was very cross trained.

我还短暂地参加过铁人三项。

I even I even did Ironman for a bit.

这对你来说肯定特别难。

That's gotta be so hard for you.

是啊。

Yeah.

把那重量扔出去。

Throw that weight.

对。

Yeah.

我说铁人三项的时候，抱歉，不是传统意义上的军事版铁人三项。

I so I would when I say Ironman, apologies, not traditional military Ironman.

那有什么区别？

So What's the difference?

军事版铁人三项，你要背着背包，还要抬独木舟过河，划船，背着背包跑步。

Military Ironman, you're doing it with a backpack, you're portaging a canoe, you're paddling, you're running with a backpack.

那场比赛，赢的时间一般在六小时以内，大概五个半小时到六小时之间。

So that race, you know, a winning time is, you know, probably anything under six hours, like five and a half to six hours.

比赛时间很长，但负重稍微重一点。

So it's long duration, but it's slightly heavier.

就算在那种比赛里，我体型还是算大的，冠军和大多数选手其实都偏瘦小。

So I'm still big even for that, like most champions, most guys who win the Ironman or, you know, average size or even smaller.

不过确实如此。

But yeah.

我的意思是，我本身体型就比较大。

The side I mean, I'm a bigger person.

不过确实如此。

But yeah.

我尝试过很多种运动，但最爱的始终是掰手腕。

I I did a lot of different sports, but I've I've always loved arm wrestling.

不管怎么折腾，最后总会回到这项运动上。

It's always been the one I've come back to.

就是这么回事吧。

It's you know?

那它到底有什么特别的？

What is it about it?

我觉得它有很多吸引人的地方。

I I think that there's a lot of things about it.

对我来说，它是我接触的第一项运动。

You know, for me personally, it was my first sport.

我四岁的时候就开始和奶奶玩臂力比赛了。

Like, I started arm wrestling with my grandmother when I was like four years old.

和你奶奶？

With your grandmother?

对啊。

Yeah.

是啊。

Yeah.

真的吗？

Really?

千万别小看奶奶的力量。

Never underestimate the power of a grandmother.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

没错。

Yeah.

我小时候特别调皮，我妈是德国人，不让我在家瞎闹腾。

I was a rowdy little kid and, you know, in a in a with a German mother who didn't let me do too much crazy stuff around the house.

但奶奶来的时候，就成了一种奖励机制。

And my grandmother used to come over, and it was a reward system.

她让我做家务，作为回报，就能和我掰手腕。

She'd tell me to do chores, and the result was I got to arm wrestle with her.

是的

Yeah.

我从来没赢过她。

I never beat her.

这太不可思议了。

That's crazy.

我从来没赢过她。

I never beat her.

挺有意思的。

It's it's funny.

她叫列夫，现在的重量级世界冠军也叫列夫。

Her name was Levon, and the current super heavyweight world champion is Levon.

所以我从来没赢过他们俩。

So I've never beat either of them.

是的

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

有点诡异。

It's a bit trippy.

是的。

Yeah.

我从小就开始了。

So I started I started young.

我喜欢掰手腕，因为这算是一种很安全的较量。

I I love arm wrestling because it's it's a very safe fight.

明白吗？

Okay?

我其实特别喜欢打斗。

Like I I I love fighting.

我生活中的一切都跟较量有关。

Everything in my life has been about fighting.

摔跤这种运动成本特别低。

And arm wrestling is one of those fight sports that has super low cost.

我们不会互相打脑袋。

Like we don't punch each other in the head.

我还能好好走路。

I'll be able to walk.

脊椎一点事都没有。

Nothing on my spine.

我的手肘根本伸不直。

My elbows don't straighten.

你懂的。

You know?

所以这运动很省钱。

So it's low cost.

你一辈子都能玩。

You can do it your whole life.

我们曾经有接近七十岁的选手在公开组赢得世界冠军。

Like we have We've had world champions in the open division who are almost 70

是啊，真的吗？

what yeah What

对，这很厉害吧？

yeah, that's cool right?

太不可思议了。

That's incredible.

我特别喜欢这一点。

I love it.

这怎么可能呢？

How's that possible?

确实，手臂的结构很特别，这个部位的设计就是为了耐力，它会慢慢积累力量。你知道吗，手部有大量结缔组织和肌腱，这些都需要很长时间才能练出来。年龄在摔臂比赛中反而是优势，因为你有更多时间去精进技术。

Yeah, it's the hand is weird like this thing here is designed for volume and It just slowly builds you know the hand is the structure is has so much connective tissues in it so much tendon And that's just it takes so long to build You know, age is an advantage in a lot of ways because you just have more time to get further in arm wrestling.

对。

Yeah.

我今年51岁。

I'm 51.

我真的跟你说。

I'm telling you.

我曾经在最高水平参赛过，而且我觉得自己还能更进一步。

I I probably competed at the highest level and I I believe I can still go further.

这并不常见。

It's nontypical.

你知道，这确实不常见。

You know, it's nontypical.

我最喜欢的就是这个圈子里的家人般的感情和纽带。

And I the the thing that I love most about it the very most is is the family and the bonds.

臂力台和俱乐部都是很特别的地方。

Armrests and clubs are special places.

这非常接地气。

It's very blue collar.

打开门吧，老兄。

Open doors, man.

这项运动的会员费其实没多少收入。

There's there's not a lot of money associated with the sport in terms of membership fees.

我们都在彼此的车库和家里掰手腕，这种氛围让大家都像一家人。

We we arm wrestle in each other's garages and houses, and and it breeds a very tight family.

我训练的这个俱乐部，说实话，他们就是我的家人。

Like, I consider the club that I train with, like, they're my family.

这其实就是体育最本质的意义。

Like so that's my I mean, that's what sports all about.

你懂的。

You know?

对。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

是的

Yeah.

摔跤这项运动特别容易培养这种感情。

And and arm wrestling is very conducive to that.

所以你说在这个年纪还能达到这个水平很不寻常，那一般来说，顶尖选手都是多大年纪？

So when you say it's nontypical that you could compete at this level, the at this age, what what how old are, like, most of the top guys?

我觉得大多数人通常在三十岁出头的时候达到巅峰。

I'd say that you hit your probably peak typically when you are low thirties.

这其实挺正常的，你知道的。

So very standard, you know?

哦，那是我朋友Porkchop。

Oh, that's my buddy Porkchop.

瞧，那是Crazy George。

Oh, there's Crazy George.

就是这个人。

This is the guy.

明白吧？

Okay?

所以这个人

So this guy

哪个是Crazy George？

Which one's Crazy George?

就是下面那个，不是穿绿色衬衫的那位。

The dude who's down there, not the guy on the green shirt.

这两位都是我的好朋友。

So these are both my good buddies.

这位是手臂伸不直的人？

And this is the guy who can't straighten his arms

他确实伸不直。

He can't.

对。

No.

他整个人绷得特别紧。

He's super locked up.

明白吗？

Okay?

但他现在做的是个叫‘国王步’或者‘外侧顶滚’的动作。

But so he's doing this move called a king's move or outside top roll.

你瞧，猪肉腕的手腕都反折过去了。

And you see pork chops wrist is bent back.

我超爱波基。

I I love porky.

我每周跟波基练两次。

I train with porky twice a week.

不过，Crazy George 真的有差不多一百六十磅重。

But, yeah, Crazy George and Crazy George is like a hundred and sixty pounds.

真的吗，波基？

Pork Really?

是的

Yeah.

Porky体型庞大，二百三十磅，肌肉发达，力量惊人。

And Porky is like two thirty, completely tremendously jacked and strong.

是的

Yeah.

Porkchop可是职业摔腕选手，对手都是顶尖高手。

And Porkchop is like a professional arm wrestler pulling at versus west.

明白吗？

Okay?

这可是我们最高级别的联赛。

That's our highest league.

Crazy George嘛，是的。

And Crazy George is yeah.

他简直太厉害了。

He's That's incredible.

是的。

Yeah.

简直不可思议。

It's completely incredible.

是的。

Yeah.

我们俱乐部的另一个成员马特·史密斯对战疯狂乔治。

As another guy from our club, Matt Smith against Crazy George.

我觉得马特可能在这里赢过他。

I think Matt actually may have beaten him here.

这正是疯狂乔治开始走下坡路的时候。

This is actually the time period of Crazy George's downfall.

明白吗？

Okay?

所以

So How

这部电影里，Crazy George有多大年纪？

old is Crazy George in this film?

他那时候大概六十多岁了。

He'd probably be late sixties here.

明白吗？

Okay?

哇哦。

Wow.

是的。

Yeah.

从技术层面来说，他在我眼里简直是传奇人物。这家伙前二十年打比赛，一直都是两胜两负。

He's an absolute legend to me in sport like technically, so this guy he spent the first like twenty years in the sport two up two down.

明白吗？

Okay?

去参加双败淘汰赛。

Go to tournament double elimination.

他可是加拿大的冠军。

He's and that's the Canadian champ.

你看到他和他掰手腕的这些人，个个都是冠军。

These guys are all champions that you see him arm wrestling with.

他其实没发明这种掰手腕方式，但当时几乎没人这么打。

And he invented basically he didn't invent it, but there were very few people doing this style of arm wrestling.

明白吗？

Okay?

我们叫它外侧上滚技，或者叫国王技。

We call it an outside top roll or a king's move.

他把这招钻研得特别透，特别难对付。

And he really figured it out and very difficult, very difficult to deal with.

那他在做什么？

And what is he doing?

他身体往下沉，把体重压下来。

He's dropping down and lowering his body weight.

是的

Yeah.

摔跤角力里头有很多关键的力量类型。

So there's many kind of main strengths in arm wrestling.

明白吗？

Okay?

有上抬的力量。

There's rising strength.

有旋前的力量。

There's pronational strength.

有握杯的力量。

There's cupping strength.

这种旋前力量，你看，这是我最喜欢的例子。

And this pronational see this like this is like my favorite example.

天哪。

Jesus Christ.

你看看那个东西。

Look at that thing.

这也太奇怪了。

That's so weird.

是的。

Yeah.

展示一下。

Show that.

再展示一次。

Show that.

你再看看这个。

Look look at that.

谁会有这么发达的肌肉？

Who the fuck has that muscle?

摔跤手。

Arm wrestler.

那块肌肉

That muscle's

太奇怪了。

so weird.

没错。

Right.

那个家伙。

So that turd.

我都不觉得自己有那东西。

I don't even think I have that.

那东西在哪？

Where is that?

是啊。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

就在这儿呢。

It's right there.

太离谱了。

That's nuts.

对。

Right.

我根本没有这个。

That's mine is nonexistent.

我本来想插一句。

I was gonna interrupt.

我看到这个缩略图时就想问，这是啥？

I saw it on this thumbnail, I was gonna say, what is that?

是啊。

Yeah.

得弄清楚这到底是什么。

Gotta figure it out.

太疯了。

Fucking crazy.

就一个。

It's one

我有个梦想，就是哪天能看到健美运动员做旋前动作，就那么一下。

of my dreams to have bodybuilders when they're you know I have BB just to be doing pronator poses one day one day.

这可是

It's the

连这个都有。

even have that.

你先转过来，把拇指朝下。

You got it first turn turn your thumb down.

像这样？

Like that?

对，再把腕子往后一翻。

Yeah, and pop your wrist back.

就在那儿。

There it is.

看到了吗？

See it.

对，就是这样。

There's a yeah There you go.

就是这个，太棒了，

That's the one fucking yeah,

这小肌肉块真够大的，

little bitch ass muscle So Larratt that's gigantic yeah,

不同风格的掰手腕，你知道吧，各有各的技巧，明白吗？

yeah, so like different styles and arm wrestling okay like they have different roots Okay?

而且王者式动作，整体上靠的是外侧滚动，这特别依赖前臂旋前。

And the Kings move top rolling in general outside top rolling is super dependent on pronation.

所以全靠这个。

So it's all this.

扭动它。

Twisting it.

在扭动。

Twisting.

没错。

Yeah.

这简直被改造成了武器。

It's it's it's weaponized.

对吧？

Right?

我们练得特别有力，而且手部各个角度之间都有关联。

We get really strong to and and there's a relationship between all the angles in the hand.

手的结构非常复杂。

The hand is very complex.

对吧？

Right?

手能干的事情多得是。

All sorts of stuff it can do.

主要的两个动作是碗状弯曲，也就是我们说的屈曲和旋前。

And the main two drivers is cupping, we call it, flexion, and pronation.

这两个动作是相互影响的。

And these two interact.

一旦旋前，就会带动碗状弯曲的动作。

So when one pronates, it attacks the other one's cup.

所以它们之间有紧密的关联。

So there's a relationship between them.

疯狂乔治是旋前技巧的宗师，他的招牌动作就是旋前式。我这一辈子换过好多技术，但到现在，我最拿手的还是开顶滚或乔治式动作，没错。

So Crazy George is like the master of Pronational styles Kings move is pronation style I over the course of my career change techniques change techniques Probably my best technique is a open top role or a Kings move now Yeah.

我学到了很多东西。

And and I learned a lot.

我最早的一位教练叫特洛伊·伊顿，他根本赢不了乔治。

It's like the guy that one of my first coaches, guy called Troy Eaton, he he could never beat George.

他就是赢不了乔治。

He couldn't beat George.

我们试过。

We tried.

我们试过。

We tried.

我们花了好几年想搞明白他。

We tried for years to figure him out.

那时候我才二十岁左右。

So and that was back when I was, like, 20.

对吧？

Right?

所以我研究这种风格已经三十年了。

So I've been I've been studying this style for thirty years.

这其实是锁技、放水和平衡的结合。

And, yeah, it's it's a combination of locks and giveaways and balancing.

掰手腕这事儿发生得特别快，非常非常快，但关键在于各种力量的平衡。

Arm wrestling things happen really quickly, very, very quickly, but it's a balancing act of of all these different strengths.

那是什么让你到了五十多岁还能保持这么高的竞技水平？

So what is it about you that's able to keep competing at a very high level into your fifties?

我觉得

I think

是因为你整天都在做大量的重复训练吗？

Is it this approach where you're just doing all these reps all day long?

你觉得这是主要原因吗？

Do you think that's a big part of it?

非常重要。

Huge.

非常重要。

Huge.

是很大的一部分原因。

Huge part

非常重要。

of it.

因为你一直在让肌肉发力，血液持续循环，年纪大了也不会掉力量。

Because you're constantly forcing your muscles to work, you're constantly getting blood flow, and you're not losing any strength Yeah.

随着年龄增长。

As you get older.

这是关键的一部分。

It's a huge part of it.

没错。

Yeah.

我的训练量可能比这项运动里大多数人都要大得多。

The the my my work volume probably exceeds most people in in the sport with that.

从代谢和健康的角度来看，它让我的肌腱和韧带始终保持良好状态。

So metabolically and from a health perspective, it keeps my tendons and ligaments really functional.

我这个人很简单，也很执着，只要有空就练臂力。

And, you know, I'm I'm just I'm just a very simple and obsessed person, and I just I I arm wrestle at every opportunity.

你是不是也有特别罕见的基因？

Don't you also have some very freaky genetics?

比如瑞安，对吧？

Like, didn't Ryan Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

他姓什么来着？

What what is his last name?

罗斯纳。

Rossner.

他叫罗斯纳。

He's Rossner.

这人是最厉害的。

This guy is the best.

是个特别有意思的人。

Very interesting guy.

我认识的最聪明的人。

Smartest person I know.

他是遗传学家，之前跟我讲过你的基因有多特别。

Geneticist, and he was explaining to me how unusual your genes are.

每个人都有独特的基因。

We all have unusual genes.

是的。

Yeah.

但你的基因真的特别不同。

But you have really unusual genes.

这个话题太大了，你知道的，遗传学这部分。

Well, there that's that topic is so big, you know, the genetic piece.

我觉得，未来对人类来说，这是极其重要的一环。

I think that what a massive piece going forward for our species, you know.

掌握遗传学，我认为是我们最优先的任务之一。

The mastery of genetics, it's right at the top, I think, of our highest priorities.

你知道吧。

You know?

昨晚在休息室里，他们聊到一件事。

There was a thing that they were talking about last night in the green room.

你能不能找找看这个。

See if you could find this.

他们觉得可能找到了一种方法，可以彻底消除唐氏综合征。

They think they might have figured out a way to end Down syndrome.

他们觉得通过基因工程，不管是用CRISPR还是别的技术，可能真能根除唐氏综合征。

They think they might have figured out a way with genetic engineering, with CRISPR or whatever they're using, whatever modalities they're using to end Down syndrome.

这很正常。

Sure.

这真是让人震惊。

Which is wild.

我觉得基因领域能解答的问题太多了，我个人坚信这一点。这话题牵涉到自由之类的，但我觉得人一出生就该做基因检测，信息直接关联到健康档案里，就当是基础数据。

I think that there's so many answers with genetics, you know, from I personally believe that and you know, this is a big topic with freedom and everything like that, but I I really believe that when you're born, you should be swabbed and it should accompany your health, you know, card or whatever and just as a information.

你知道吗，这里面涉及的东西太多了。

You know, there's so much.

随着这些新技术不断涌现，未来很可能会实现。

Well, it probably will be in the future as these all these techniques and all this new stuff comes out.

CRISPR技术已经迈出关键一步，有望沉默唐氏综合征的那条额外染色体。

CRISPR takes a bold leap towards silencing Down syndrome's extra chromosome.

天哪。

Wow.

科学家们已经取得重要进展，未来或许能通过基因疗法关闭导致唐氏综合征的遗传物质。

So time scientists have taken an important step towards a gene therapy that could one day turn off the genetic material that causes Down syndrome.

唐氏综合征是一种遗传病，由第21号染色体多出一条引起，导致数百个基因重复，进而引发发育和神经方面的问题。

Down syndrome is a genetic condition caused by an extra chromosome, twenty one, and consequently hundreds of triplicate genes that lead to developmental and neurological issues.

根据华盛顿的美国唐氏综合征协会的数据，美国每640个新生儿中就有一个患有唐氏综合征，这是最常见的染色体异常疾病。

According to Washington based National Down Syndrome Society, one in every six hundred and forty babies in The United States is born with Down syndrome that makes it the most common chromosomal condition.

那这到底意味着什么？

So there so what is it doing here?

好的。

Okay.

贝斯以色列女执事医疗中心和哈佛医学院找到了一种方法，可以同时抑制细胞中那条额外染色体的大部分活性。

So Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center and Harvard Medical School found a way to silence much of the extra chromosome's activity in the cell at once.

他们的研究成果已发表在《美国国家科学院院刊》上。

Details of their research are published in a paper in the journal proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

真厉害。

Wow.

不过，你的基因有什么特别的地方呢？

So what is weird about your genes, though?

瑞安跟我提过，但我记不清了。

Ryan told me, but I don't remember.

他说，你得去跟他聊聊他的基因。

He was he goes, you gotta talk to him about his genes.

其实，瑞安自己得去跟他说。

Well, Ryan's actually gotta talk to.

我是高中毕业的，但去过好几次奥斯汀，跟瑞安待在一起。

I mean, I'm a high school educated guy, and I I've been down to Austin several times to hang out with Ryan.

我尽量从他那儿学点东西。

I I absorb everything I can from this guy.

我觉得我的基因可能特别适合耐力型运动。

But I think that my genetics I think I'm predisposed to endurance actually.

耐力？

Endurance?

我觉得是。

I think so.

要是全面看我的基因，应该有不少有利的变异，让我天生适合这类运动，但说起来也挺奇怪的。

I think if you take an overall look at my genetics, I think I have a lot of, you know, favorable mutations that are, you know, predispose me to to good, but it's weird.

我也说不清楚啊。

I don't know, man.

你听我说。

Listen.

说到遗传这方面，我要是扯太多，听起来可能有点傻。

To the genetic side of things, I I'll sound silly if I try and talk too much about it.

我只能跟你说，肯定是有有利的基因存在。

I'll just tell you that there are there are favorable genetics for sure.

你知道的，有些基因突变特别有利，真是不可思议。

You know, there's favorable mutations and It's amazing.

要是能把每个人身上的这些有利突变都收集起来，嗯。

You know, if you could capture all of them from everybody and Mhmm.

再把它们全拼在一起，谁知道会变成什么样。

You know, put it together and you never know what

那你就会得到布莱恩·肖那样的人。

You'd get Brian Shaw.

我们已经扫描过布莱恩了。

We've we've scanned Brian.

是的。

Yeah.

就是这样。

That's the thing.

所以瑞安在做的这个项目，我偶尔会帮帮他。

So this this this project that Ryan is doing and I I like to help him out a little bit.

我们一直在研究顶尖运动员，目的是找出那些有利的基因突变。

We've been we've been looking at elite performers and with the with the goal to find favorable mutations.

没错，我们已经扫描过布莱恩了。

And yeah, we scanned Brian.

他可是传奇人物。

He's in the bible.

对。

Yeah.

这人简直

That guy's in

是传奇。

the bible.

他就像大卫和歌利亚那样。

He's like, you know, David and Goliath.

对。

Yeah.

现实中真有这样的人。

That's they're real people out there like that.

是的。

Yeah.

没错。

Yeah.

布莱恩的基因是五亿人里才有一个吗？

Brian's So his genetics are one out of every 500,000,000 people?

是不是特别惊人，差不多就是这种级别？

Isn't it something crazy along those lines?

是的。

Yeah.