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乔·罗根的播客。
Joe Rogan podcast.
去看看吧。
Check it out.
乔·罗根体验。
The Joe Rogan experience.
展示我的一天，乔·罗根播客，还有我的夜晚，一整天都是。
Showing my day, Joe Rogan podcast, my night, all day.
请人来参加你的节目，一定很容易吧。
It must be very easy to get people to do your show.
我的意思是，毕竟我们 giveaways 几百万美元，真是让人有点不知所措。
Well, I mean, yeah, seeing how we give away millions of dollars, it's Ugh.
是的。
Yeah.
通常大家都会非常兴奋。
Usually, people are very excited about it.
对我们来说，真正难的地方是，如果录制时间长，就得请假离岗。
The actual the the only hard part for us is, you know, if it's a longer one, just the time off work.
有时候确实如此。
So because sometimes Oh, right.
比如拍《野兽游戏》这类节目，一拍就是一个月。
When we shoot, like, Beast Games or stuff, know, it can go for a month.
不过除了工作上的事，其他都还好。
But besides the work stuff, of course.
有没有人因为请不了一个月假，就没法参加节目？
Does it are there people that haven't been able to do the show because they couldn't get a month off work?
当然有。
Oh, yeah.
多了去了。
Tons.
这很正常。
Of course.
所以我们总会留点余地，比如前一天，你知道，有时候人们会突然打退堂鼓。
So we always have, like, even, like, the day before, you know, sometimes people get cold feet.
所以如果我们要找一百个人，我们通常还会准备十个备选，因为你知道，那
So if we're doing something with a 100 people, we usually have 10 backups just because, you know, the
那天想想，能参加你们节目的人，应该都是那种能随时辞职的工作吧。
the day imagine that the type of person that would do your show would have a job that they could quit.
嗯，
Well,
对。
yeah.
我是说，我想这得看情况。
I mean, I guess it depends.
对吧？
Right?
不管是咱们那个让一百个家庭竞争二十五万美元的YouTube频道，还是那个竞争五百万美元的Beast Games节目。
Whether it's the YouTube channel where we're, you know, doing, you know, a 100 families compete for $250,000 or it's Beast Games where they're competing for 5,000,000.
五百万人的奖金，大家当然更兴奋。
The 5,000,000, people are way more excited for.
有些YouTube视频，规模没那么大。
Some of the, you know, the YouTube videos, it's not as, like, grandiose.
他们会觉得，为了1%的机会赢25万美元，冒丢掉工作的风险，不值得。
They're like, I don't know if I wanna lose my job for a 1% chance of winning 250 k.
所以。
So
那你们做《 Beast Games》的时候，到底有多少人参赛？
Well, how many people when you do Beast Games, how many people are competing?
我们刚拍完的新一季，从地球上每个国家都挑了一个人。
So the newest season we just shot, we grabbed one person from every country on Earth.
所以大概有两百人左右。
So it was around 200.
是的。
Yeah.
这其实挺有意思的，你会让他们玩一些特别疯狂的游戏，然后观察来自亚洲或太平洋地区的人，跟来自南美洲的人反应有多不一样，因为他们成长环境完全不同。
Which I was actually pretty cool because you would put them in these, like, crazy games, and you'd see how someone from, like, the Asian, you know, Pacific countries would react versus to, like, someone in South America, and they play and think so differently because they have such different upbringing.
所以特别有意思。
So it was really cool.
你们肯定得对这些人做非常严格的背景调查吧？
Did you have to I mean, you must have had to thoroughly vet these people.
对吧？
Right?
得确保他们不是疯子。
Make sure they're not insane.
得确保他们不是那种危险分子。
Make sure they're not Yeah.
我可不会是连环杀手。
I'm a serial killer.
当然，我们会做心理和背景审查。
We do the psych and background checks, of course.
不是。
No.
如果你要覆盖这么多国家，你该怎么获取这些信息呢？
How do you get that information if you're going I mean, if you have many countries are there, first of all?
大概是190个左右。
It's a 190
我们参考了奥运会的统计，大概是一百多个，接近两百个。
We went off of whatever the Olympics do, so it's it's like a 100 something around 200.
对。
Yeah.
大概就差那么一两个。
Plus or minus a couple.
有些国家的基础设施确实很落后。
So some of them have to have some shitty infrastructure.
我的意思是，有个国家总共才四万人左右。
Oh, I mean, I think one of them has literally 40,000 people living in it.
就是，那到底叫什么来着？
Like, it was what is it?
不是那个什么海岛国家。
Not the it's something sea islands.
不是开曼群岛。
Not the Cayman Islands.
是某个岛国来着。
It was but some island country.
我当时就想，哇，真没想到。
And, yeah, I was like, wow.
我那个小镇有十万人，人口是你国家的两倍半还多。
Like, my town, which has a 100,000 people, is two and a half times the population of your country.
我跟参赛者开玩笑说，要是你赢了五百万美元，理论上可以给每个国民发两百美元分红。
Well, I was joking with the contestant because I was like, if you win the $5,000,000, you could technically give a $200 dividend to every single person in your country.
简直离谱到家了。
It's like, it's that crazy.
那里住的人可真少。
That's that little people living there.
哇。
Wow.
对啊。
Yeah.
这种国家，你都会想，说不定真能把它买下来。
That's the kind of country where you're like, I wonder if you could buy that country.
我猜它的GDP大概也就一两亿美元吧。
I mean, the GDP is probably, you know, couple $100,000,000 if I were to guess.
像埃隆这样的人，说不定真能买下来。
Like someone like Elon or something like that could buy
买下那个国家。
that country.
美国可能有成千上万人有这个能力，说实话，我都有点替他们觉得不好意思。
There's probably thousands of people in America that could I mean, I feel bad.
那个国家的人听了可能会说：喂，我们可没点名是哪个国家。
People from that country listening that Well, we didn't say the country.
好吧。
Okay.
说得对。
True.
我们没问题。
We're good.
我们没问题。
We're good.
我们根本没提名字。
We didn't say it.
没错。
Exactly.
这跟年份没关系。
It's it's not years.
他们应该清楚自己是什么身份。
They should know what they are.
是的。
Yeah.
他们国家只有四万人左右。
They were they're a country of 40,000 people.
本来就是这么回事。
That's just what it is.
这没什么不对的。
Nothing wrong with that.
但真有点奇怪，世界上怎么会有这么多国家。
But it's it it is weird how many countries there are.
如果每个国家都派一个人来，你有多大把握能准确判断他们是不是罪犯？
And if you've got a person from every country, what are the odds you're gonna get good data as to whether or not they're a criminal?
这正是我想说的，你要是看过我们为找这些人花的预算，简直荒唐，居然能凑齐这么多人。
Well, that's why I mean, if you saw, like, our budgets on what I have to spend on casting those people, it was ridiculous to be able to get them all.
因为我们基本上为每个国家都准备了几个候选人，我担心的是，万一某个国家选来的选手表现太差。
Because, basically, what we did is we grabbed multiple options for each country, and what I was worried about is that, like, the contestant from blank country would suck.
对，没错。
And then Right.
那个国家的人可能会说：吉米，你是不是讨厌我们啊？故意挑了个傻瓜来。
The country would be like, Jimmy, you hate us, and you purposely picked this, you know, absolute moron.
所以我们每个国家都选了两三个，然后让那个国家的人投票，决定谁去参赛。
So we we would pick two or three from each country, and then we let people from those countries vote on who should compete.
哦。
Oh.
所以啊。
So Oh.
根本不是只选一个。
It wasn't even one.
我得为每个国家多找几个。
I had to get multiple from each.
所以我最后花了一百多万美元，就为了做筛选、投票、背景调查这些事，然后把结果放出去让大家投票。
So I think I ended up spending over $1,000,000 just on, you know, aggregating and casting and background checks and everything and then putting it out there so people could vote on it.
但这样一来，反正也无所谓了。
But that way, you know, whatever.
比如格鲁吉亚或者欧洲，要是选出来的那人真是个蠢货，那也是他们自己选的。
Like, Georgia and Europe, if that guy is an absolute moron, it's on them.
是他们挑的人。
They picked him.
你懂的。
You know?
对。
Right.
这招其实挺聪明的。
That's actually very smart.
没错。
Exactly.
你是怎么想到这个节目的创意的？
How did you come up with the concept for this show?
我的意思是，你哪儿来的时间同时做这个节目和你的YouTube频道？
Like, what first of all, how the fuck do you have time to do that show as well as do your YouTube show?
是的。
Yeah.
那段时间我几乎不睡觉，因为《野兽游戏》整整三十天，每天拍十八个小时。
I just don't sleep much during those because, like, Beast Games basically is thirty days of just, you know, eighteen hours a day filming.
对没听说过的人解释一下，这其实是全球奖金最高的电视节目。
And so and for people who might not have heard of it, it's essentially the largest cash prize of any show in the world.
第一季的参赛人数是全世界最多的，布景规模也是史上最大的。
Season one, had the most contestants of any show in the world and the largest sets of any show ever to exist.
我当时就想，要是把真人秀的所有元素都推到极致会怎样？第一季我们就发出了两千两百万美元的奖金。
And I was just like, what if you take like a reality show, but you just ramp everything up to the absolute maximum and like like season one, we give away $22,000,000.
天啊。
Wow.
就一季而已。
Just one season.
对吧？
Right?
现在世界上一些最火的游戏节目，奖金也就二十五万美元。
And, you know, some of the biggest game shows in the world right now give away $250,000.
我们每集可是发两千两百万。
Like, we're giving away 2,000,000 every episode.
是的。
Yeah.
就是这么夸张。
Like that.
太疯狂了。
That's wild.
这一切简直难以置信。
All those that's so crazy.
这太惊人了。
That sets amazing.
然后我们建一座城市。
And then we we build a city.
所以同样地，
And so also
天哪。
Holy shit.
我做这个节目的核心理念是，当你看这些游戏节目或真人秀时，其实能学到很多东西。
My my whole thesis behind it with this is, you know, you when you watch these, you know, game shows or reality shows, there's a lot of takeaways.
节目结束后，他们会把参与者叫到一个房间里，说：来聊聊刚才发生了什么。
And, like, after the show, they'll put people in a room, and they'll be like, hey.
谈谈刚才发生的事。
Talk about what happened here.
而且这些片段是交叉剪辑的。
And it's, like, intercut.
我当时就想，要是我们装一千个摄像头，让所有人做自己，实时播出来会怎么样？
And I was like, well, what if we just have a thousand cameras and we just let people be themselves and we kinda just show it in real time?
所以在第一季的时候，我们打破了史上任何电影或节目使用摄像头数量的纪录。
So we also, like, in season one, we broke the world record of most cameras ever used in any production of any movie, show, anything ever.
就这个场地里，摄像头超过一千二百个。
So, like, this set right here, there's over 1,200 cameras in there.
而且最多的
And and the most
那个房间大得惊人。
That room is so big.
是啊。
Yeah.
比足球场还大。
It's it's bigger than the football field.
所以有一千名参赛者。
And so there's a thousand contestants.
每个人身上都得配一台主摄像机。
We have to have an A cam on all of them.
他们每个平台都有个投票功能，再加上天花板上几百台摄像机，诸如此类的。
So there's, like, a a poll on each of their platforms on them, Plus, there's hundreds of cameras in the roof and blah blah.
我觉得这儿的摄像机超过一千二百台了，而以往任何制作中用过的最多也就四百台。
I think there's over 1,200 here, which outside of this, the most ever used for production was 400.
我不得不这么做——这听起来可能有点疯狂，但正因如此，我觉得这节目才吸引这么多人。通常的节目里，制片人会拿着摄像机走过来，说：‘你有三分钟时间。’
So, like, I I literally had to and and this might seem insane, but this is why I think the show appeals to quite a few people because normally in a show, they would have a story producer walk up to you, hold a camera and be like, alright, you got three minutes.
你这时候就成了反派。
You're kind of the bad guy.
大致按这个方向说就行。
Say roughly along these lines.
差不多就是替你把话都说好了。
Almost basically put words in your mouth.
然后他们挨个采访，就一台摄像机跟着。
And then they'd go like person to person with like one camera.
而我呢，只要一开麦，就让他们想说什么就说什么。
Whereas I go on the microphone, I go, say whatever the hell you want.
我们连续录你十个小时都没问题。
We're recording you for the next ten hours.
我根本不在乎。
I don't care.
对吧？
Right?
而且每个人都有专属的摄像机对着你。
And you all have a dedicated camera on you.
所以他们不用去强加台词，想干嘛就干嘛就行。
So then instead of, like, putting words in people's mouths, they can just do whatever they want.
那你们是不是得有人把所有素材都翻一遍，再剪成节目？
So do you have someone who actually has to go back and watch all that footage and edit it Yeah.
然后把这些内容做成一档节目？
And then put it all out as a show?
是的
Yeah.
没错
Exactly.
这就是为什么
Well, this is why How
你们有多少人负责剪辑？
many people do you have doing your editing?
那一季有超过一百五十位剪辑师参与制作。
That's season over a 150 editors worked on it.
对
Yeah.
天啊，真是
Holy It's
不可思议。
crazy.
这也就是为什么没人愿意这么做，毕竟我们得花上数百万美元买摄像设备。
And that's obviously why people don't do it because it's it's like, basically, we had to spend millions of dollars in cameras.
我们创下了史上最多摄像机使用的纪录，还顺便打破了摄像线缆使用最长的纪录——总共用了27英里的线缆。
It was the world record for most cameras ever used, which then we also brought the world record for most camera cables used because we it's 27 miles of camera cables.
我们还创下了最大控制室的纪录。
Brought the world record for largest control room.
每一项都是数百万美元的开销，还得再请来成千上万的剪辑人员。
Each of these is millions of dollars, and you have to bring in millions of dollars of extra editors.
从10台摄像机开始，你只是简单地给人加点台词，到后来用无限多的摄像机，想拍什么都能拍。
And so next thing you know, you know, to take it from 10 cameras where you just essentially put words in people's mouths to unlimited cameras and they can do whatever you want.
你能展现他们真实的样子，而不是故事制作人想象中他们该有的样子。
You can show who they actually are as opposed to what you think they should be, right, with a story producer.
这花的钱可不少。
It costs a lot of money.
投入的精力和时间都很大，但最终成片能看出来——人们更自然了，没那么剧本化，就是他们本来的样子。
It's a lot of effort and time, but it shows through in the final product because now, you know, you get more natural, like, less scripted things when people are just themselves.
你特别擅长把握大局，不管预算多少，都能把东西拼凑出最好的效果。
You have a great ability to, like, see the big picture and a a great ability to put together things regardless of what the budget is, like, regardless of how much money you're gonna make to do the best product.
你刚开始做YouTube节目时，我就一直这么觉得。
Like, I always thought that about you when you were doing when you first started doing your YouTube show.
你投入的钱、时间和精力，远超大多数人愿意付出的程度。
I'm like, the amount of money and time and effort involved in this is, like, above and beyond what most people are willing to do.
没错。
Yep.
这远远超过传统电视台会做的事，因为电视台只会看回报。
And it's it's way more than a traditional television network wherever would ever do because a traditional television network would look at the upside.
他们会算一笔账：花多少钱，能提升多少效果。
They would look at the money, and they would go, we're gonna spend x amount of money to make it this much better.
但如果我们稍微降低点标准，就能省下八成成本。
But if we just take it down a couple notches, we save 80%.
是的。
Yeah.
他们就会这么做。
And they would do that.
但你总是想，咱们能不能做得更酷一点？
But you're like, can we make it even cooler?
把所有钱都再投回节目里，没错。
Let's put all the money back into the show Exactly.
这风险可不小，老兄，简直太冒险了。
Which is very risky, man, because not just very risky.
你特别有远见。
It's just very you have great foresight.
你真的能看到全局。
Like, you really see the big picture of it.
显然，你拥有全球排名第一的节目。
Obviously, you have the number one show in the world.
你是地球上观看人数最多的节目。
Like, you have the most watched show on Earth.
你懂的。
You know?
你的YouTube节目是地球上观看人数最多的，显然效果非常好。
Your YouTube show is the most watched show on planet Earth, so it's obviously working.
对。
Yeah.
但那种搭出那个布景的能力，简直太疯狂了。
But it's like that ability to take like, to make that set must have been bananas.
那是个超大的建筑。
That is a fucking enormous building.
你们是专门盖了这栋楼吗？
Did you have to build the building?
不是。
No.
那个地方在多伦多，其实就是个机场机库。
So that that's in Toronto, but it's basically an airport hangar.
我们花了好几个月才琢磨出怎么做成这个东西。
I mean, we spent months trying to figure out how we could make this.
那里面还有一千多个活板门，因为每个参赛者被淘汰时，对应的活板门就会打开。
That also is like a thousand trapdoors because every single one of those, the trapdoors open when they get eliminated.
光是这个布景，成本就差不多一千五百万美元。
So that set alone was, like, $15,000,000.
这确实太疯狂了。
I mean, it was crazy.
这背后是成千上万人投入的时间和精力。
It's thousands of people's time and stuff like that.
我们拍摄《野兽游戏》的地方其实很不简单，因为它创造了大量本地就业机会。
It's actually when we where we film Beast Games is actually a pretty big deal because it creates so many local jobs for people.
我信。
I'm sure.
是的。
Yeah.
当时那场面真是挺疯狂的。
Like, there, it was, like, pretty wild.
每次我
Every time I
你们是公开拍摄地点，还是保密的？
Did you say where you film it or you keep it under wraps?
那次是在加拿大的多伦多。
That one was Toronto, Canada.
明白了。
Okay.
不错。
Cool.
每次我走在片场，大家都特别兴奋，虽然我们只拍了三十天，但前期准备和后期工作加起来得好几个月。
And every time I'd walk around on set, people were loving it because even though we filmed for thirty days, there's months leading up to it and months after.
所以
So
这能让大家连续六个月有稳定的工作，而以前他们每周都在换项目。
it gives people, like, consistent work for six months, whereas, like, before they're going project to project every week.
不过，说到全力以赴，这正是我的核心理念——为什么要做不精彩的内容呢？
But, yeah, back on the going above and beyond, that's kind of my my whole thing is, like, why make content that isn't great?
我们总是问自己：怎么才能做出最好的内容，而不是怎么才能赚最多的钱。
And we just ask ourselves, how do we make the best content possible as opposed to, you know, how do we make the most money possible?
当你真这么去做的时候，钱反而会源源不断来。
And when you just shockingly go on with that approach, you just kinda Make a lot of money.
是的。
Yeah.
而且我经常跟团队说，我们和其他媒体公司的关键区别在于，通常公司高层一听到疯狂点子就直接否决，说这不可能，每次头脑风暴都是这样。
And well and also it's I tell my team all the time too, like a big difference between us and other media companies is, you know, usually, like, people at the top will always shoot down crazy ideas or tell you it's not possible, like, whenever you have, like, these crazy brainstorming sessions.
但我跟团队讲，从技术上讲，没有什么是不可能的。
And I tell the team, technically anything is possible.
只要人类真想做，用足够的核弹，理论上真能把月球炸掉。
If as humans we really wanted to, we could technically blow up the moon with enough nukes.
我们现在不会去做，因为不值得花时间，也不值得花钱，但你得有这种思维模式。
Now we're not gonna do it because it's not worth the time and it's not worth spending the money, but you have to have that frame of mind.
只要你愿意花时间、肯花钱，基本上没什么是不可能的。
Everything's for the most part possible if you're willing to spend the time and spend the money.
所以在动手之前，别急着说不，先算算要花多少时间、多少钱。
So before you do the work and just figure out what time it takes and how much money it costs, you can't say no to something.
因为大多数时候，比如我们曾经在金字塔里拍摄，我在埃及金字塔里住了整整一百个小时。
Because almost all the time like, we we filmed in the Pyramids, and I spent a hundred hours living in the Pyramids Of Egypt.
那简直太棒了。
It was fucking awesome.
好多年了，大家都说，不可能让你在金字塔里住上几天。
And, you know, for years, everyone's like, they're not gonna let you, you know, live in the Pyramids for a couple days.
这太疯狂了。
Like, that's crazy.
我就想，为什么不呢？
And I'm like, why not?
你是不是被埃及的领导人给拒绝了？
Like, did you get a no from the, you know, the leader of Egypt?
没有。
No.
那我就想，从技术上讲，这事儿其实是能成的。
Then I'm like, well, technically, it's possible.
你知道的。
You know?
经过好几年的沟通，帮他们慢慢理解，这其实是个教育类的视频，我又不会冲上金字塔、脱了衣服发疯似的乱跑。
And and after years of of talking with them and helping them understand that, you know, it's gonna be more of an educational type video, and it's not like, I'm not gonna run up the pyramids and take my shirt off and be like a a lunatic.
会拍得特别棒。
It'll be really cool.
最后他们想通了，特别喜欢这个视频，效果也非常好。
Eventually, they came around to it, and they loved the video, and and it worked really well.
literally，我能在金字塔里随便待上一百个小时。
And it's literally, like, I could go anywhere in the pyramids for a hundred hours.
我一路爬到了中间那座金字塔的顶端。
I went all the way up to the top of the the middle pyramid.
我们还钻到了它底下。
We went underneath it.
那感觉真的太棒了。
It was it was really cool.
我常跟团队说，就算是一些老员工，每当我们冒出些疯狂点子，他们第一反应总是觉得这根本不可能。
And I, like, tell my team, it's like, you know, even some of my most veteran people, when we get these crazy ideas, their default reaction always is to go, I just don't think it's possible.
我就跟他们说，你看。
And I I go, look.
这事儿真能成。
It is.
有时候，只是缺时间和钱而已。
Sometimes it's it's just time and money.
你懂的。
You know?
那值得花这么大力气吗？
And is it worth the effort?
那个金字塔项目肯定疯了。
The pyramid one must have been nuts.
是啊，简直疯狂。
Oh, it was crazy.
那是我最喜欢的视频之一。
It was one of my favorite videos.
那是你第一次去那里吗？
Is that your first time ever being there?
是的。
Yeah.
说真的，那是第一次。
Actually, it was.
所以这更特别了，因为我一边逛，一边还在学新东西。
And so that made it even more special because I was, like, learning things at the the same time as I was just walking around.
我得说实话。
And I'm I'm gonna be honest.
那是一年半以前的事了，现在回想起来都有点模糊，因为当时我实在太累了。
It was, a year and a half ago, and it's, like, all a little fuzzy because I was, like, so tired.
整晚都在到处走，那感觉特别疯狂，又像在做梦一样。
Was just walking around all night, but it was pretty crazy and surreal.
然后我们下了那个墓穴，就是那个要爬梯子、深入金字塔底下几百英尺的地方，叫什么来着？
And then going down into what's that tomb called where you go down the ladder and, like, a couple 100 feet underneath the pyramid?
我不知道。
I don't know.
那是奥西里斯通道吗？
Is that Osiris' shaft?
对。
Yes.
就是奥西里斯通道。
Osiris'.
是的
Yeah.
然后下面还淹了水，人在底下还得游泳。
And then it was, like, flooded and swimming around under there.
简直太疯狂了。
It was pretty wild.
是的
Yeah.
天哪
Wow.
我觉得你真该去体验一次这样的地方。
I feel like you should do something like that.
绝对要。
A 100%.
我真得去一趟。
I I need to go there.
我早就说要去那儿了，都好几年了。
I've been talking about going there for years.
对我来说，就是时间不够用。
I just for me, it's just a time thing.
我手头有太多不同的工作。
My time is I've so many different jobs.
不像你那样，有个全职的、占满所有时间的工作。
It's not like one all consuming job like you have.
是的。
Yeah.
我呢，要给UFC做解说，还要说单口喜剧，做播客，再加上结婚生子。
Me, it's like commentary for the UFC, doing stand up comedy, doing the podcast, and also married with children.
所以我肩上的担子挺重的。
So, like, I have a lot of responsibilities.
所以想说走就走可不容易。要是真去埃及，我觉得至少得待上十天才够劲。
So it's tough to just jet off for a really, ideally, if you're gonna go to Egypt, I feel like you should go for, like, ten days.
是的。
Yeah.
我觉得至少得待十天。
I feel like at least ten days.
你觉得那个，嗯。
Do you think the yeah.
我觉得他们可能真的现实一点的话，五天也能搞定。
I feel like they maybe honestly realistic, like, five days you could do it.
而且是的。
And Yeah.
不过我很好奇，他们会不会允许你拍个视频，到处走走逛逛，我就想知道。
And, like, I'm curious though if they'd let you just, like, do a video where you walk around and go everywhere because I wonder.
是的。
Yeah.
因为你之前说了不少风凉话。
You because I've talked a lot of shit.
没错。
Exactly.
所以我不直接说，但我的意思是，我都不确定他们是不是真想要你去。
So without saying it, I'm kind of implying, I don't even know if they want you there.
我可从来没说过它什么坏话。
Well, I had never said anything bad about it.
是的。
Yeah.
我只是觉得，管事的那些人对这些东西是怎么做出来的，看法太狭隘了。
About I just think that the people that run it have a very narrow minded perspective of how all that stuff was made.
而且我觉得，他们其实并不真正了解。
And I don't I think I don't think they really know.
我觉得在官方说法上，存在很多把关和限制。
And I think there's a lot of gatekeeping in terms of, you know, what the official narrative is.
对。
Yeah.
就像这些东西是怎么做出来的、谁做的、到底是怎么回事一样。
It's like how it was all made and who made it and what what it's all about.
所以他们很不愿意接受其他观点，因为他们有一套自己的时间线，把所有这些构建都归因于那个时间线，但有很多证据表明那条时间线根本说不通。
That's why they're really hesitant to accept any alternative perspectives because they have a timeline and they attribute all this construction and there's a lot of evidence that that timeline doesn't make any sense.
对。
Yeah.
比如，是不是……
Like, did did
你去看过狮身人面像吗？
you check out the Sphinx?
对。
Yeah.
而且你可以，你知道的，走到它下面，进那个小房间。
And you can, you know, you can go underneath it and go in that little room.
对。
Yeah.
你去过了吗？
Did you do that?
去了。
Yeah.
还有那些东西，我觉得如果你亲自去看过，体会会更深。
Which and that's the stuff I I feel like it would mean even more if you did.
你见过扎希博士了吧？
You've talked to doctor Zahi.
对吧？
Right?
是的。
Mhmm.
对。
Yeah.
你有请他上过节目吗？
Did you have him on the show?
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
让他上节目吧。
Have him on the show.
是的。
Yeah.
好的。
Okay.
不错。
Good.
是的。
Yeah.
所以，他显然是关键人物，你直接给他打个电话问问吧。
And so, yeah, he's obviously the guy, so you should just call him and see.
是的
Yeah.
我更想找个别的人。
I'd rather go with somebody else.
我其实不想听这些，所以……
I'd I'd rather I didn't listen to that so
我更想去找我认识的那些历史学者聊聊。
I'd rather go hang out with one of the historians that I know.
格雷厄姆·汉考克？
Graham Hancock?
是的
Yeah.
格雷厄姆·汉考克才是最合适的人选。
Graham Hancock would be the perfect guy to go with.
是的
Yeah.
你和格雷厄姆·汉考克一起到处走？
You and Graham Hancock walking around?
天哪。
Oh, boy.
那肯定会有不少离奇的说法。
That there'd be some crazy stuff said.
是的。
Yeah.
那个时期那个地区发生的事，真是非同寻常。
Well, whatever happened in that part of the world during that time frame is pretty spectacular.
令人惊讶的是，自那以后再没人做出过哪怕稍微类似的事。
It's kind of amazing that no one has ever achieved anything even remotely similar to it since.
是的。
Yeah.
而且至少有四千五百年历史了。
And it's least 4,500 years old.
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但这只是个猜测而已。
And that's just a guess, though.
他们其实也不确定。
They really don't know.
是的。
Yeah.
你懂的。
You know?
那地方真是够疯狂的。
It's a it's a crazy place.
你能去那儿拍节目，简直不可思议。
The fact that you got to film a show there is nuts.
对。
Yeah.
我喜欢你管它叫节目，可我觉得那只是个YouTube视频，挺搞笑的。
I love how you call it a show, and to me, it's just a YouTube video, but it's just funny.
这确实是个节目。
It's a show.
是的。
Yeah.
我明白。
I know.
当然了。
Of course.
这也很合理，因为你跟UFC打交道，然后你就老了。
And it makes sense because you do stuff with the UFC, and then you're old.
很多这种东西都叫节目。
A lot of it's called shows.
但我
But I
我的意思是，不管叫什么，反正有人看。
mean, whatever it is is people are watching it.
是的。
Yeah.
我知道。
I know.
就是觉得挺搞笑的。
It's just it's just funny.
对我来说是这样。
It's to me.
好多年没听人这么说了。
Haven't heard it called that in years.
不过，没错，那个确实够疯狂的。
But, yeah, that that one was crazy.
有一件事我特别自豪，是我们第三季做《 Beast Games》时干的，现在回头想想，我都不确定我们是怎么做到的。
And, I mean, one thing that I'm really proud of that we did for season three of Beast Games, which I like, in hindsight, I'm not even sure how we this one we pulled off.
所以我想看看你对这个有什么反应。
So I I wanna see your reaction to this.
好的。
Okay.
basically，决赛时我们有500万美元奖金，还有最后几位参赛者。
Basically, the finale where we have the $5,000,000, we have the final contestants.
我们是在罗马斗兽场拍摄的。
We, filmed it in the Roman Colosseum.
是的。
Yeah.
我们就在罗马斗兽场中央，为第三季的冠军颁了500万美元的现金大奖。
We we crowned the winner of season three with the $5,000,000 cash prize in the middle of the Roman Colosseum.
这是上千年来，那里第一次重新举办比赛。
Played played the first game there in over a thousand years.
太厉害了。
Wow.
对。
Yeah.
这太疯狂了。
That's crazy.
我知道。
I know.
我真的很感激。
I'm I'm so grateful.
我们刚拍完那段，现在还沉浸在那种兴奋里，简直让我差点掉眼泪。
I I like, we just filmed that too, so I'm, like, coming off the high, and I just, like like, it almost makes like, brings gives me tears.
我们拍的那些画面太棒了。
Like, what we shot was so cool.
我们还请了现场交响乐团，就在上面的环形看台上演奏。
We had, like, a a live orchestra, like, the top ring up there too.
随着比赛越来越紧张，他们就会奏出更响亮的音乐，营造气氛。
So, like, as the game got dramatic, we'd have them, like, play louder music and stuff.
那种感觉，简直像在做梦。
It was, like, surreal.
其实有很多这样的时刻，因为我这辈子干过不少疯狂的事，但拍这个节目时，我站在斗兽场中间，四下张望，真的觉得这一切不像是真的。
Like, there's multiple because I've done really crazy things in my life, but there's multiple moments during that where I'm just, like, looking around in the middle of the Colosseum as we're, like, filming this show, and I'm like, like, this doesn't feel real.
简直太不可思议了。
It was pretty wild.
我的意思是，我几年前去那里旅游时，也觉得完全不真实。
It doesn't feel I I mean, I went just to visit a few years back, and it didn't feel real.
很难想象当年那里究竟是什么样子。
It's so strange to imagine, like, what what that was like.
是啊。
Yeah.
你知道吗，那是两千多年前的事了？
You know, how many thousand years ago?
罗马斗兽场举办比赛的时候，到底是哪一年？
Two what when what year were they doing the games in the Roman Colosseum?
我猜大概是两千年前吧。
I would guess nineteen hundred years ago.
所以，想象一下，当时人在里面，那场面到底是什么样的？
So, I mean, what the fuck was it like being in there while that was happening?
再想想他们把水放进来，船上场的那一刻。
And imagine when they flooded and they'd have the ships in there.
天啊，真是难以置信。
It's like, woah.
我懂。
I know.
太疯狂了。
Crazy.
我明白。
I know.
更不可思议的是，你现在还能走来走去，试着去体会当时的情景。
And it's just it's nuts that you could go walk around it and just try to understand.
那时候，人们来这里，就是为了看人死去。
Like, this used to be a place where people used to go to see people die.
是的。
Yeah.
以前人们去看人被剑砍死，看人被狮子撕咬。
Used to see see people get hacked to death by swords, to see people get killed by lions.
这到底是怎么回事？
Like, what the fuck?
在哪里
Where's
其实也很有意思，因为我拍之前做了很多研究。
Well, it's also interesting too because I did a lot of research, you know, before we filmed there.
那时候他们安排座位很有讲究，贵族坐下面，平民反而坐上面。
And it's also did a good job of you know, back then they had, like, the hierarchy and, like, the nobles people would sit at the bottom and the poor people be at the top.
这种安排也很好地展现了团结，尽管大家来自不同的经济阶层。
And it also played, like, a good role of, like, showcasing unity even though there are all these different people from all these different, you know, economic statuses.
所有人都在竞技场里，但同时也提醒他们各自的位置，这里面的政治含义太多了。
They would all be in the arena there, but also remind them where they are, and there's, like, so many political implications of it too.
是的。
Yeah.
所有这些方面都让人着迷。
And so just everything about it.
就像篮球比赛一样。
Like basketball games.
因为据我所知，曾经发生过几起狮子或老虎跳起来袭击观众的事件。
Because, like, there was a couple of incidents, I believe, when either a lion or a tiger leapt up and got ahold of some people.
是的。
Yeah.
我倒是没听说过那事，但我在那里逛的时候，他们还保留着皇帝的座位，就在那儿。
Well, I I didn't hear about that, but when I was walking around, you know, they would have the, you know, emperor, like, seat right there.
我当时就想，要是我是个战士，一枪就能撂倒他。
And I was like, man, if I was a warrior, I could throw a spear at him.
这视角简直太致命了，可怎么就没一个人真把他干掉呢？
Like, this is, like, this is a killer view, but, like, how did no one ever just kill this guy?
你懂的吧。
You know?
对啊。
Right.
我当时就只想这件事。
It was I was like a that's all I could think about.
这离战场也太近了吧。
It's like, this is a little too close to the battlefield.
有多近？
How close is it?
就往前数四排左右。
It was, like, whatever, four rows up.
也没多夸张。
It wasn't, like, anything too crazy.
不过你走的时候，周围明显有矮墙，免得人随便走进观众席。
But, like, there's, like, obviously walls when you're walking around, like, little walls so you can't just, you know, walk into the stands.
所以，是这样。
So Mhmm.
所以他们就像是被困在竞技场里，但距离投矛范围确实很近。
So they're, like, kinda trapped in the arena, but it was definitely within spear throwing distance.
真想知道这地方花了多久才建好。
Wonder how long it took to build that place.
因为你走在这里，这简直是一块非凡的地盘。
Because when you're walking around, this is an epic piece of real estate.
你看。
Like, look.
你们建了这么一座惊人的建筑，而且还是在差不多两千年前完成的。
You guys built, like, an insane structure, and they did it, you know, almost two thousand years ago or whatever it was.
没错。
Yeah.
所以建造花了八年时间。
So it took eight years to build.
太惊人了。
Wow.
从公元72年到80年。
From it was AD seven two to AD eighty.
没错。
Yep.
太惊人了。
Wow.
工程是在公元70到72年间，由韦斯巴芗下令启动的。
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公元79年左右，提图斯皇帝主持了竣工和揭幕，主要建设阶段持续了大约六到八年。
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对。
Yeah.
这也很有意思，因为我常想，现在类似的东西可能是索菲体育场。
It's it's fascinating too because I like to think of, like, something equivalent now would be, like, maybe SoFi Stadium.
那真是个宏伟又漂亮的巨型体育场。
Like, that's such a beautiful massive stadium.
我不禁好奇，两千年以后，它还会存在吗？
I wonder if, like, two thousand years from now, would that still be there?
对啊。
Right.
罗马斗兽场到现在都还基本保存完好。
Like, the Roman Colosseum is, like, relatively still intact.
真是挺不可思议的。
It's pretty crazy.
这确实很惊人。
That's what's crazy.
那是因为它是用石头建的。
Well, it's because it's made out of stone.
我们用的水泥之类的东西都会腐烂掉。
All of our stuff like cement will rot out.
水泥根本不可能撑上一千年。
There's no way cement lasts a thousand years.
所有的玻璃、所有的东西都会慢慢被大地重新吸收。
All the glass, all the everything will just get absorbed back into the earth.
天哪。
Dang.
你看过那个节目吗？
Do you ever see that show?
以前历史频道播过一个节目，讲的是人类消失之后的事，我记得叫什么名字，它展示了城市要多久才会完全被大自然吞没。
They had a show like what was it on the history channel or something like that where it was after humans, I think it was called, and it it essentially showed how long it would take for cities to completely be absorbed back into the earth.
其实用不了多久。
It's not that long.
对。
Yeah.
没那么久的。
It's not it's not that long.
对。
No.
就几百年吧，啥都不剩了。
It's like a few hundred years, and there's nothing left.
哇。
Wow.
是啊。
Yeah.
这节目听起来挺有意思的。
Actually seems like a good show.
是啊。
Yeah.
还挺有意思的。
It was kinda interesting.
你懂的。
You know?
那是很久以前的事了，那时候的AI肯定很烂。
It was a while ago, so it was probably like shitty AI.
那CGI效果差极了。
It was shitty CGI.
现在他们肯定能做得很好了。
They could probably do it really good now.
对。
Yeah.
但如果你去底特律，现在那儿有些房子，树都从地下室长出来，顶穿了屋顶。
But, I mean, if you go to Detroit, there's houses in Detroit now that have trees growing out of the the the basement of the house through the roof.
是啊。
Yeah.
树已经完全占了房子，大自然正一点一点把这些建筑吞没。
Like, they've they've taken over the house, and nature is slowly but surely absorbing the building.
摩天大楼规模更大，但大自然照样能把它吞没。
And then skyscrapers are a bigger endeavor, but they could still nature could still do it.
只是需要足够长的时间。
It just takes enough time.
这让我想到一个点子：我敢打赌，肯定有个被荒废的村庄或城市，已经被植物完全覆盖了。我想拍个视频，标题就叫《地球最后一个人》的模拟实验，然后在那里住上一个月，看看是什么感觉。
That makes me where my brain goes to is it makes me wanna do a video where it's like I bet you there's, like, a abandoned village or city that's been overgrown and, like, doing a video titled, like, last human on Earth simulation and then, like, living there for a month or so and and seeing what it's like.
那确实挺棒的。
That'd be
挺酷的。
kinda cool.
有点像当年威尔·史密斯演的那部电影。
Kinda like the Will Smith movie back in the day.
对啊。
Right.
是的。
Yeah.
是的
Yeah.
对
Yeah.
那肯定会特别有意思，也许可以找一个参与者来做。
That'd be so fascinating, like, to or maybe do it, like, with a contestant.
比如说，
Be like, hey.
你在这里待一个月，住在这种被遗弃的文明遗址里，我给你一百万美元，看看你怎么利用这些百年老建筑。
You spend one month, you know, in this, like, isolated civilization, like, I'll give you a million dollars or something and then see how they, like, you know, use, you know, 100 year old buildings or something.
我不确定。
I don't know.
这想法让我脑子里停不下来。
It's got my my brain churning.
这主意不错。
It was not a bad idea.
就像《我是传奇》那种感觉。
Like, an I am legend type deal.
对。
Yeah.
但真是完全即兴的？
But real unscripted?
没错。
Exactly.
对啊。
Right.
完全即兴，但再请些人扮成僵尸去吓唬他们。
Real unscripted, but then also hire people to be zombies and haunt these people
趁他们睡觉的时候。
while they're sleeping.
你的直觉，弗兰克说。
Your gut, Frank goes.
你明白我的意思吧？
You know what I mean?
对。
Yeah.
请些人来，用特效处理一下，把人吓得够呛。
Hire hire people, like CGI them up, scare the fuck out of people.
我早就想这么干了，但总卡在某个地方，比如说——
I've been wanting to do that for a while, but I always get, like, hung up on, like, okay.
我可以弄出真僵尸，可问题是，他们该怎么把人干掉？
We I can make some real zombies, but the problem is, like, how do they kill them?
然后呢，你知道的——
And then, you know
另一个问题是，如果你不告诉参赛者僵尸要来，就是想抓他们的真实反应，那万一有人真以为是僵尸，把工作人员给杀了怎么办？
Well, the other problem is what happens if you'd if you're not telling these contestants that zombies are coming you're trying to get a reaction out of them.
要是有人以为那是真僵尸，结果把其中一个扮演者给杀了呢？
What if this guy thinks it's a real zombie and kills one of the people?
是的。
Yeah.
我们会提前告诉他。
Well, I we would tell him.
我得说明这是个僵尸模拟，然后定下规则，比如怎么才算杀死僵尸。
I would have to say this is a zombie simulation, and, you know, and then I'd have to set rules on here's how you kill a zombie.
不能用剑。
You don't use a sword.
得用这个泡沫道具，但太没劲了，所以我们就没继续。
You use this foam thing, and it's lame, which is why we never Yeah.
一直没搞成。
Gone around to it.
但如果真有办法，我觉得重现一场真实的僵尸末日，让人在里面生存一周，肯定特别酷，毕竟大家对这玩意儿的了解都来自剧本剧集。
But if there ever was a way, I do think that would be cool to, like, recreate a actual zombie apocalypse and and, like, let someone try to live in for a week because it'd just be cool because everyone's exposure to this is through scripted shows.
对。
Right.
但要是能亲眼看到有人真正生活在这样一个没有剧本的环境里就好了，比如我们重建一些破败的加油站，食物也得按设定来——我们可以说故事发生在2060年，让美术团队设计成只有Laffy Taffy糖果还能吃之类的。
But to see someone, like, truly live in an unscripted one where we build run down gas stations and there's, like, food that, like we would say this is set in the year 2060, so I'd have set designers and everything design it where it's, only Laffy Taffy is still edible and stuff.
而且要完全真实地还原整个场景。
And it was, a true recreation of it.
我一直都想做这种事。
I've I've always wanted to do stuff like that.
你完全能做成这样。
You could totally do that.
现在有很多被废弃的小镇。
There's a bunch of abandoned towns.
不行。
No.
我们一直没想明白的是，怎么才能让杀死僵尸的方式不那么无聊。
It's just the one thing we could never figure out is how does someone kill a zombie and it's not lame.
对吧？
Right?
你想想，有人拿着玩具剑去打僵尸。
Because imagine someone with a nerf sword hitting a zombie.
真烦人。
Ugh.
现在就变成这样了。
Now it's like, okay.
这简直太没劲了。
This is fucking lame.
你懂的。
You know?
对啊。
Yeah.
我有个想法
I've got
也许可以用彩弹枪试试？
Maybe a paintball type deal?
对啊。
Yeah.
而且我们脑子里就会想到这个，因为我们之前做过一个类似的视频。
And and that's where our head goes because we're we have a different video, a similar thing.
但问题是，打彩弹或者气枪的时候你得戴面罩。
But the problem with paintball and airsoft is then you have to wear a mask.
对吧？
Right?
毕竟谁也不想被人打中脸，那可就全毁了。
Because you don't want people to get shot in the face, obviously, and then it kinda kills it.
或者，没错。
Or or yeah.
除非僵尸都戴面具。
Unless the zombie masks
是得戴
were
那就是防护装置。
was the protection.
没错。
Yeah.
我们把它戴在彩弹面罩外面。
We put it over top of the paintball mask.
就是这样。
That's that's Yeah.
那些演员真够惨的。
Poor poor actors.
他们只能
They're gonna you just have
不是普通的彩弹面罩，而是一个硬质结构，完全贴合你的脸型。
instead of like a regular paintball mask, you have something that's just a hard structure that is like, your the shape of your face.
对极了。
Exactly.
然后
And then
你画个吸血鬼。
you paint a vampire.
一拳打到脸上，接着给他们戴副护目镜，透明的，保护眼睛。
Fist to your face, and then, you know, you give them goggles, something clear so their eyes are protected.
然后再在上面画妆。
And then you do all the makeup on top of it.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
你知道吗？
You know what?
我得找你聊聊这些僵尸装备的事。
I should hit you up for these zombie things.
我可以
That I can That
其实那可以
that actually would there
你去吧。
you go.
就是这个意思。
Exactly that.
是的。
Yeah.
太完美了。
That's perfect.
那是款空气软枪面罩。
That's an airsoft mask.
那确实挺酷的。
That that that'd be pretty cool.
我的意思是
I mean
天哪，老兄。
Oh, dude.
这简直太酷了。
That's actually dope.
看看那些面具，就是半张脸的丧尸款。
Look at those masks, the the half faced zombie ones.
是的。
Yeah.
这真的太带感了。
That's fucking dope.
想象一下，半夜里突然有人戴着这个朝你冲过来，吓死人了。
Like, you could that would be terrifying coming at you in the middle of the night.
我的意思是，喂。
I mean, hey.
如果有谁听到了，想在一个废弃的小镇里待上十天，还得提防僵尸来杀你。
If anyone listening wants to live in an abandoned town for ten days while zombies try to kill you.
我觉得咱们现在真找到点意思了。
I think we're onto something now.
一看到那些面具，我就觉得，行，这主意不错。
Now that I saw those masks, I'm like, okay.
我喜欢这个点子，因为那些完全可以是僵尸。
I like it because that could be the zombies.
我的想法是，因为这些视频的规模实在太大了。
Well, where my head goes because the videos are so big.
对吧？
Right?
这项目估计得花五亿一千万美元。
This is probably a $510,000,000 project.
大概得建一座废弃城市，扮演地球上最后一个人，然后一个人在那里待上一段时间。
Probably would build this abandoned city, do I'm the last man on the planet, and it's like me there for some time.
然后过几个月，拍完之后，再拍一个视频，我直接送别人一百万美元。
And then afterwards, like, a couple months like, film then right after, film a video where I give someone a million dollars.
他们住在那里十天，但得和朋友一起对抗僵尸。
They live there for ten days, but they have to fend off zombies with their friends.
这样我们就能复用同一个拍摄场地了，毕竟要是真把整个城市都搭起来，天哪。
So then we can reuse the set location because if I'm gonna completely set deck up, basically, a whole city, oh my gosh.
那工程也太大了。
That's gonna be a monster.
但如果把这两件事连着做，确实会特别酷，也值得花这份力气。
But, yeah, if I did both those back to back, that'd actually be pretty pretty gnarly and worth the effort.
我现在觉得这个点子挺棒的。
I think I like the idea now.
对。
Yeah.
现在看到那些面具了。
Now that I see those masks.
我还在想，比如打彩弹枪之类的活动。
And I think about, like, paintball or something along those lines.
我想象的场景是，最好能找到一座有摩天大楼的城市，然后用长焦镜头从高处俯拍，一个人站在街面上。
What what I'm picturing too is, like, ideally, you can find a city with a skyscraper because I want, like, someone with a long lens pointed down of, like, someone pictured them on a street.
四周一片漆黑，他们生了一堆火，就他们和三个朋友在一起。
It's pitch black, they have, like, a fire, and it's them and their three friends.
而且，
And,
然后他们突然听到动静，是僵尸来了之类的。
you know, then they hear noise and zombies and stuff.
那种镜头一定会特别美。
Like, those shots would be so beautiful.
我的意思是，这很可能是我见过最美的视频之一。
Like, that I mean, that it would probably be one of the most beautiful videos ever.
我还想着，可以在所有建筑上都爬满藤蔓之类的。
And I'm picturing we put, like, vines, like, on all the buildings and stuff too.
所以，如果你想要没人打扰，那可不容易，因为你得找个荒废的地方才行。
So Well, if you wanted no one around, it's gonna be hard because you're gonna have to do it in an abandoned place.
没错。
Exactly.
而且你不太可能找到一座荒废的摩天大楼。
And you're not gonna get an abandoned skyscraper.
也许吧。
Maybe.
除非你去底特律。
So Unless you're in Detroit.
不过，也不一定非得在美国拍。
Well, we also it doesn't have to be in The US.
我们之前拍过一个视频，七天待在一个废弃的城市里，就在欧洲某个地方，那座城市曾经被战争摧毁，有酒店、高楼，什么都有。
We did a video seven days in an abandoned city where there's, like, some place in Europe where there was a city that was, like, war torn and stuff like that, and it had, like, hotels and tall buildings and everything.
那场面真是特别震撼。
It was pretty pretty wild.
所以
So
真的吗？
Really?
是的。
Yeah.
现在那里一个人也没有？
I And there's no one in it now?
没有。
No.
一个人都没有。
No one in it.
但会有游客去那里
But, like, tourists go
去那儿，随便吧。
there whatever,
但他们允许我们封闭那里整整一周。
but they they let us close it off for a week.
那场面可真够疯狂的。
It was pretty crazy.
那地方就是这儿了。
Well, that's the place then.
是的。
Yeah.
我只是在想，那儿有点历史底蕴，估计他们不会让我进去大肆改造吧。
I just wonder if they'll you know, it's a little bit of history there, so I doubt they'll let me go in and, like, set deck everything like crazy.
还有搞彩弹射击什么的。
But And also paintball everything.
没错。
Exactly.
对。
Yeah.
戴上那些面罩的话，我们倒是可以玩激光枪，可能还更简单些。
Well, with those masks, we could do airsoft, which would be maybe even easier.
其实也不行。
Well, actually, no.
玩激光枪的问题在于，你看不出他们有没有被打中。
The problem with airsoft then is the truss system.
所以还是彩弹枪更管用。
You don't know if they got hit, so paintball is probably more effective.
对。
Yeah.
得用彩弹。
You need a paintball.
没错。
Yeah.
得用彩弹，而且打中时溅开的样子还得好看。
You need a paintball, and it needs to look good when it splatters against them.
如果我团队里有人在看这个，就把最后十分钟剪下来发给创意团队吧。
I I just you know, if someone on my team's watching this, just clip the last ten minutes of this and send it to the creative team.
我相信你们，我懂你们。
I got you guys, I believe in you.
除了用彩弹，还有没有别的办法能干掉僵尸，那种特别疯狂的方式？
Is there another way to kill a zombie other than paintball that would be wild?
比如，还有什么别的方法？
Like, is there something else?
我们其实一直在琢磨一件事，因为我一直想真实地玩一把《饥饿游戏》。
Well, one thing we've been working on because we're we I've always wanted to, like, do hunger games in real life as well.
就是这种衣服，装上电子设备，像激光枪战那样，打中了就会亮起来。
So, like, these, like, suits where you could, you know, electronic, like, laser tag where you could just shoot and and then it just, like, lights up.
那要是用装豆袋的霰弹枪呢？
So What
关于用豆袋霰弹枪怎么样？
about shotguns with beanbags?
你懂的。
You know?
因为他们用那种东西来发射非致命弹药，你知道的，就是霰弹枪里装的豆袋弹。
Because they use those for people to, like, take out, like, when the nonlethal loads, you know, they have, like, beanbags that they shoot out of a shotgun.
我好奇的是，如果我离你三英尺远开一枪，你还能没事吗？
The question I wouldn't need is, like, if if I shot you with the, like, three feet away, would you still be fine?
我想你可以调整一下气压之类的，让它不至于太严重。
If I I guess you could probably adjust the pressure and stuff where it's not
不太行。
Not really.
明白了。
Okay.
不过理论上你可以这么做，
Well I mean, you could,
但你没法把它埋起来。
but you couldn't bury it.
你懂的。
You know?
你看，这可不是《恐惧因素》。
See, this isn't fear factor.
这可是MrBeast的风格。
This is MrBeast.
我明白。
I understand.
但问题是，你能不能
But it's can you
这事儿其实挺模糊的。
the gray it's a gray line.
说真的，这事儿太搞笑了。
You know, it's so funny.
我得放点血，让你在这视频里帮我做饭。
I need to give you a blood and let you just help me cook on this video.
我能想象这个场景
I I could see this
里面有点东西。
There's something in there.
你得想个刺激又安全的方式让他们‘死’，不能真伤到特技演员或者戴面具的人，那些扮演僵尸的。
You just have to figure out an exciting way to kill them where it doesn't actually hurt the stunt people or whoever's wearing the masks, whoever pretends to be a zombie.
我本来想点火烧他，但那样不行。
It would have to be something I was thinking light him on fire, but that's
你能调出《七天废弃城市》那个视频吗？
Could you pull up the seven days abandoned city video?
直接跳到某个随机片段就行。
I and just skip to some random part.
我想让他看看，那种画面到底是什么效果——跟你想象的结合在一起，这可是别处根本找不到的体验。
I'd love for him to see, like, the like, how it looks because that with what you're picturing, and that really would be something you can't find anywhere else.
真正让我兴奋的，就是这种别处绝对看不到的内容，通常只要做得好，观众就一定会喜欢。
And that's what, like, gets me excited is when it's content you can't find anywhere else, that's typically, you know, a huge indicator that if it's done well, people like it.
你看过那个剧吗？
Have you seen the show from?
那个剧？我没看过。
From I don't think so.
没看过。
No.
特别好看。
It's great.
真的非常棒。
Great show.
但讲的是一群人。
But it's about these people.
看看这个镜头。
Look at that shot.
就停在这里。
Pause it right there.
就像那样，那只是一栋随机的建筑，但你可以跳到片头部分，直接给他们看看整个地方。
Like like or so that's just one random building, but you can maybe go to the intro or something if you wanna just show them, like, yeah, this whole place.
看看这些建筑。
Like, look at these buildings.
天哪。
Oh my god.
这太完美了。
This is perfect.
对。
Yeah.
然后，要是你停在那儿，这些就是城里所有的建筑，我的意思是。
And then, like, yeah, if you pause it there, those are all the buildings in the city of I mean
天啊。
Oh, dude.
就是这儿了。
This is the spot.
你听好了。
Listen.
每晚日落时分，演出就开始。
The show starts at sundown every night.
明白了。
Okay.
太阳一落山，游戏就正式开始了。
As soon as the sun goes down, that's when the games begin.
天不黑，啥事都不会发生。
It does nothing happens until it gets dark out.
好的。
Okay.
天一黑，一切都陷入黑暗，这些人根本不知道什么时候会遭袭，所以他们抓住任何机会睡觉，但白天我们会安排任务让他们保持清醒。
Everything is in the dark, and these people have no idea when it's gonna happen, when they're gonna get hit, and so they try to get their sleep whenever they can, but you keep them awake during the day with tasks.
我们得让他们保持忙碌。
You keep them away.
所以白天的时候，他们手头有各种各样的材料。
So during the day, they they have all sorts of materials.
他们有补给。
They have supplies.
还有各种东西，得自己想办法保护自己，搭遮蔽所，还要设警报系统，以防僵尸靠近。
They have all sorts of things, and they have to figure out how to protect themselves, how to develop shelter, alarm systems for when the zombies are closed.
你得给他们
They you give them
真的吗？
Oh, really?
是的。
Yeah.
给他们时间去琢磨怎么对付僵尸，限制他们能用的材料，看看他们能想出什么聪明的办法。
Give them time to, like, figure out stuff to do to keep the zombies away and eliminate amount of materials that they can work with and just let these people get creative in their ingenuity.
但你得让他们白天忙个不停，这样就没法睡觉了。
But then you keep so that they'll be busy during the day, so they're not gonna be able to sleep.
到了晚上，天一黑
So at nighttime, when it gets dark out
是的
Yeah.
他们就不知道袭击什么时候会来
Then they don't know when it's gonna hit.
于是这些人只能干坐着，可能是晚上七点、八点、九点，结果凌晨三点，麻烦就来了
So you have these people sitting around, and it might be 7PM, 8PM, 9PM, and then three in the morning, shit starts
僵尸冲进来，他们措手不及，疼得要命
zombies come in, and they got a shit about painful.
它们悄悄靠近
And they're creeping in.
对
Yeah.
就是悄悄地靠近
Like, they're creeping in.
老兄，你这话说得我热血沸腾了。
Bro, you're getting me excited.
我的意思是，要是让他们自己建个据点什么的，那简直太酷了。
I mean, it it would be so fucking cool to, like, let them build a a structure or something.
就像在《铁血传奇》里，他们怕光，得靠照明，但晚上我们可以把灯藏在城市各处，让他们得一个个找出来，然后摆好，好让他们的营地周围亮堂起来。
And then, like, in Iron Legend where he has to point the lights because they hate lights, but, like, at nighttime, like, they'll have to we can hide lights throughout the city that they'd have to collect and then set up so they have good vision around their Ford and everything.
而且他们还得轮流值夜，安排好作息。
And then they have, like, you know, cycles where they take turns watching and stuff.
我们只在晚上或者他们结构完成的时候才放僵尸出来，这样他们白天还能喘口气。
And then we only send the zombies out theoretically at night or whatever the structure would be so they have chill time.
或者每晚放40个僵尸，他们干掉了35个，结果一瞅——糟了。
Or maybe every night, 40 zombies are unleashed, and then so they're like, they shot, like, 35 of them, but they're like, oh, shit.
还有五个藏在城里没找着。
There's five hidden around the city.
所以那天他们一整天走路都提心吊胆，这种持续的紧张感，简直绝了。
So that day while they're walking around, they're, like, on edge, and the tension throughout the day would be phenomenal.
是的
Yeah.
有很多很酷的玩法。
There's so many cool ways to do it.
你也不用告诉他们僵尸只会在晚上出现。
And, you know, you don't have to tell them that the zombies are only gonna come out at night.
对。
Yeah.
就这么定就行。
Just have it that way.
我太兴奋了，如果我们再聊下去，我马上就得去拍了。
I'm I'm excite if we need to stop talking about this, because I'm gonna leave and go film it right now.
我还在拼命忍住，没立刻给团队打电话。
And then I'm I'm I'm fighting the urge to go call my team.
这事儿
This is
还有啊，僵尸白天也可以出来。
You also with the zombies, they can come out in the daytime.
只是那些人不知道，因为他们从来没这么干过。
They just these people don't know because they never do it.
没错。
True.
头五天，它们只在晚上活动。
Like, the first five days, it's only at night.
对。
Yeah.
到了第六天，就完全不一样了。
And then day six Exactly.
所以人们会在自己家里被突然抓走。
So so so people get snatched up in the middle of their house.
天哪。
Oh my god.
我们以前用过一家做凝胶弹枪的公司。
Company we used before as gel blaster.
这个跟气枪差不多，但没那么疼。
These it's almost like Airsoft, but it doesn't hurt as bad.
哦，它射的是水？
Oh, it shoots water?
他们穿的背心装了感应器，就像你刚才说的，有点像VR激光对战。
And these vests that they have set up are sensors so you can almost like what you're saying, it's like VR laser tag.
所以被打中时会亮灯？
So it lights up when you hit it?
是的。
Yeah.
而且还有一个语音系统，会告诉你还剩多少发子弹。
And there's, like, a little talking system that says, like, you have this many shots left.
你还剩多少发
You have this much
能看看视频吗？
Can we see a video?
当然可以。
Yeah.
可以。
Yes.
等一下。
Wait.
这是视频吗？
Is this a video?
我们是在晚上，去别人家拍的。
We did this at night at somebody's house.
哦，你们拍了？
Oh, you did?
是的。
Yeah.
是的
Yeah.
对
Yeah.
你们是什么时候做的？
When did you do this?
几个月前。
A couple months ago.
哦，不错。
Oh, nice.
我本来想说，糟了。
I don't oh, shit.
这才刚出来。
It's only coming out.
等一下。
Wait.
其实，你这么一说，这音乐还真不怎么样。
Actually, now that you Bad music.
但你提醒了我，我见过那种神经胶质发射器。
But You pointed out, I have seen, like, nerve gel blasters.
我真没想过这一点。
I actually never thought of that.
所以我的意思是，你可以重新设计一下服装，让它们
So that I mean, you could just redo the set the suits so that
听起来挺有道理的。
makes sense to me.
然后再换个枪的外观，那些看起来有点土。
And then reskin the guns because those look a little lame.
不过，确实可以这样。
But, yeah, that would
有点土。
be It's kinda lame.
已经存在了。
Already exist.
我挺喜欢用豆袋弹的霰弹枪。
I kinda like shotguns with beanbags.
我觉得我得把自己搞得一团糟。
I think I Let's fuck me all up.
我能很容易想象出你想要的那种风格。
Could easily picture the aesthetic you're looking for.
我得在乔那种还原视频的方式和我实际能做的之间找平衡，但我现在反而比以往更有灵感了。
I gotta I have to find the blend between Joe's, like, recreation of this video and, like, what I could actually do, but they're I actually am more inspired than ever.
我觉得这完全做得到。
I think it's very doable.
这完全做得到。
It's very doable.
你只需要想个办法，让它既刺激又不伤到人。
You just have to figure out a way to make it exciting but still not hurt anybody.
没错。
Exactly.
你懂的。
You know?
这真的
That's really
别伤到僵尸。
Not hurt the zombies.
你得想办法给这些人穿上防护装备。
You'd have to, like, armor these people up somehow.
我的意思是，其实有个办法，要是这些僵尸以前是海豹突击队队员之类的，那就帮大忙了。
I mean, well, the the thing too is, like, you know, one way the one thing that would help is, like, if the zombies were ex Navy Seals or something Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
那就跟他们是一群普通好莱坞演员之类的情况不太一样了，这方面我从其他一些事情里也学到了点经验。
Then then it's a little different than if they're, like, typical Hollywood actors and things like that, which so I've learned for, like, some of these other things.
关键还得看请谁来演。
Like, it's also who you cast to do it.
比如说，要是真有海军海豹突击队的人扮成僵尸，而且我还给他们发工资，那他们根本不会在意。
Like, you know, the navy if it was, like, navy seals dressed up as zombies and I paid them all, you know, they wouldn't care.
而且，也可以设想成一支僵尸军队，就像一支真正的部队。
And, also, it could well, it could be like a zombie army, like an army.
某个地方的军队被感染了，全变成了僵尸。
Some some army somewhere got taken over and turned into zombies.
对。
Yeah.
而你对抗的，就是这些被感染的人。
And those are the people you're fighting against.
所以你完全可以给他们配上防弹衣之类的装备。
So you could you could put them with, like, plate carriers on.
对。
Mhmm.
是的，没错。
And, you know Yeah.
你可以给他们多加点防护装备，让他们能扛得住几下攻击。
You you could armor them up a little bit so they could take some hits.
得给它们编点背景故事。
Have some lore behind it.
对。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
而且这样安排也说得通。
And what do you could it would make sense too.
兄弟，我信了。
I'm bro, I'm sold.
我只需要找到一座被遗弃的城市。
I just gotta find an abandoned city.
给他们配上发光的眼睛。
Give them glowing eyes.
这才是你认出他们的唯一办法。
That's the only way you know that.
所以这个播客就是乔帮我设计僵尸的全过程。
That's why podcast is gonna be Joe helping me figure out to do zombies.
老兄，那场面绝对吓人到极点。
It's Dude, it would be fucking terrifying.
那会特别酷。
It would be awesome.
那些住在城市里的人。
People that are in, like, this city.
没有灯光，没有电力，一到晚上，整个城市就彻底陷入黑暗。
There's no lights, there's no electricity, and then at nighttime, it goes dark.
也许他们带着手电筒，但每支手电筒只能用一个小时，所以你得精打细算，整个晚上都得小心使用。
And maybe they have flashlights, but each flashlight only has, like, one hour of battery life, and so you have to, like, judiciously use that flashlight throughout the evening To
照一照周围。
shine it around.
然后关掉。
Shut it off,
这样就能制造一点紧张感——手电筒快没电了，毕竟你只有短短一小时的电量。
you know, so you give, like, a little extra tension that the flashlight's gonna die because you only have one hour of flashlight battery.
对。
Yeah.
然后你突然看到一双红眼睛。
And then you see these red eyes.
比如给他们配上微微发红的光亮眼睛。
Like, you give them, like, a a slightly glowing red eye.
对。
Yeah.
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