#2529 - 扎克·布什

我们会教你如何做得更好，如何成为一个更好的人，还会给你很多关于生活的有趣见解，教你如何思考。

We're gonna teach you how to be better at it and how to be a better person, and we're gonna give you a bunch of really interesting facts about life and teach you how to think.

这才是学校该有的样子，而不是把人培养成工厂里的流水线工人。

And that's what school should be instead of setting people up for factory jobs.

所以，如果全民基本收入能和这种有智慧的教育结合起来——教育要基于我们当前所处的这个新范式——那将会是件非常好的事。

So the universal high income concept, if that's used in conjunction with intelligent education, education that's based on this new paradigm that we find ourselves in, that seems like it would be a really good thing.

只要金钱和生活脱节，这种局面就注定会是一场灾难。

It'll be a disaster for as long as money is disconnected from life.

如果给人们一套不参与生命形成、创造与共同创造的货币体系，只会让我们离自然越来越远。

And so giving somebody a monetary system that does not participate in the formation, creation, and co creation of life will just further distance us from nature.

所以，我们现在该好好想想，金钱到底是什么。

And so this is where we can start to think about like what is money actually.

没错。

Right.

我们可以沿着这个方向继续深入。

And we can go down that avenue.

那你觉得，生活在狩猎采集社会里的人呢？

So you think like just what what about people that live in like hunter gatherer societies?

他们靠打猎和采集就能找到人生的意义吗？

Do you think that they they find purpose in hunting and gathering.

对吧？

Right?

他们其实就在践行人类与生俱来的权利。

They're functioning as the birthright of humanity right there.

我花了很多时间走访世界各地的部落，从非洲到南美洲，深入亚马逊雨林的各个角落。

So I've spent a lot of time with tribes all over the world from Africa to South America, deep deep Amazon jungle, everything else.

但凡你接触一个仍保持原住民传统的文化，就会明白——我们所有人本质上都是这片土地的原住民。

And anytime you're with a culture that is still indigenous, meaning, all of us are obviously indigenous to the planet.

我们都是大地孕育的。

We're all made of her.

我们身体里的每一种元素，都来自这片土地。

These are her minerals.

这些就是大地母亲在我身上的具体体现。

These are this is mother earth incarnate in my body.

所以我跟任何人一样，都是原住民，只是我的文化跟自然的关系已经严重退化了。

So I'm as indigenous as anybody else, but my culture is horribly degraded in its relationship to nature.

当我们说有原住民文化的时候，你提到的这些部落，其实指的是那些没有失去与自然联结的人类。

And so when we say there's an indigenous culture, these tribes you're speaking to, what we're saying is this is humans that have not lost their context.

他们是那些没有让价值观和奖励机制变得抽象的人类。

These are humans that have not become abstract in their value systems or reward systems.

所以他们在那里的生活方式，有充分的证据表明，人类原本就是设计来作为关键物种中的关键物种的。

And so what they're functioning as there has great evidence is that humans were actually designed to be a keystone species of keystone species.

关键物种的特点，就是能够积极参与生命的过程。

A keystone species is characterized by its capacity to participate in life.

只要关键物种出现的地方，生命的活力就会增强，美的表达会更蓬勃，自然系统的智慧也会更丰富。

Wherever a keystone species sets its foot, there's more life force, more ecstatic expression of beauty, more intelligence in the natural system.

亚马逊雨林现在就是最好的例子。

Amazon Jungle is the best example of it right now.

那是一片人造森林。

That is a man made forest.

我们曾拥有由数百个民族共同设计的森林，他们在这个生态系统中生活了四万年，种植了世界上规模最大的食物森林。

We have a forest that was designed by hundreds of nations that lived for forty thousand years in an ecosystem and planted the largest food forests that the world has ever seen.

这是一片经过管理的森林，但当这些族群被驱逐或消失后，管理中断，生态系统便逐渐回归荒漠化，这是那里不可避免的趋势。

It is a managed forest and as the management started to grade as those peoples were displaced or lost, the ecosystem is returning back towards desertification cycle which is an inevitable process there.

当人类与自然处于正确的关系中时，我们就是关键物种。

Humans in right relationship to nature are a keystone species.

你看狼被重新引入黄石公园，就能明白这一点。

You can see this with wolves being reintroduced to a Yellowstone.

南美洲的河狸也是一样。

You can see it with beavers down in South America.

把白狮重新放回南非北部，效果也一样看得见。

You put white lions back in Northern South Africa.

从太空中都能观察到这种变化。

You can see it from space.

只要有关键物种存在，那片土地就会重新变绿。

In the territories where keystone species are there, it goes green.

土壤中的微生物群落会变得更加丰富。

The microbiome of the soil is increased.

每一种植物的生命力都会显著增强。

The vitality of every plant increases.

所以当你谈到这些部落时，你其实是在说一种与自然和谐共处的人类族群。

And so when you're talking about these tribes, you're talking about a human species that's in right relationship.

一旦金钱成为衡量价值的唯一标准，而且脱离了生命本身，整个系统就会被撕裂。

And the moment money comes in as a metric and a value system that's not connected to life, you you fracture that system.

我觉得金钱本身并不是根源。

Now I think money is not cause.

金钱其实是人类脱离了与自然的联系、陷入深层迷失的一种表现。

I think money is actually a symptom of a humanity that's lost its its context of nature and is now way down

走向了抽象体系、价值体系这些远离自然的路径。

the pathway of abstract systems, value systems, etcetera.

但这些原住民部落的人，他们到底在做什么呢？

But the this is the case with these people that they're in these indigenous tribes that what are they doing?

他们跟别人交易，然后拿到钱？

They're trading with people and they're getting money?

他们是怎么拿到钱的呢？

Like, how are they getting money?

是靠卖东西吗？

Are they selling things?

他们根本不需要钱。

They don't need money.

对。

Right.

但我意思是，你刚才说钱一进来就会破坏这一切，那具体是怎么发生的？

But I'm saying Like But how does when you were saying that money gets introduced and ruins it?

那只是下游的表象。

It's a symptom downstream.

这其实是个很好的例子

So it's a good example of

我刚才想说的是，你是不是觉得钱干扰了这些部落的生活？

But you we what I was getting to, were you saying that it it gets in the way of these the tribes?

你亲眼见过这种影响吗？

Have you seen it, like, effect?

立刻就出现了。

Immediately.

确实立刻就出现了。

Immediately.

所以，我刚才的问题是——

So what what was the that was the question.

到底发生了什么事？

Like, what was the what was going on?

他们是把东西卖出去了吗？

Were they selling their stuff?

他们跟这些人交易什么，怎么赚到钱的？

What were they trading with these people and getting money?

他们到底是怎么赚到钱的？

How were they getting money?

我那本刚要出版的新书，详细讲了抽象化的过程，是怎么一点一点侵蚀的。

My my new book that's just coming out is it goes into great detail on, like, the process of abstraction, like, how it starts to chip away.

书里还提到我跟奥沙瓦部落的接触经历，他们是最后一个接触到现代工业文明的原住民群体。

But in the book, it it talks about my experience with the Oshawa tribe, which is the very last indigenous culture to be introduced to the to we'd call industrialized cultures.

他们第一次接触外界是在1996年。

So first contact was 1996.

真让人惊讶。

Wow.

才一代人的时间而已。

So one generation in.

这太不可思议了。

That's crazy.

首次接触。

First contact.

他们生活在亚马逊河的神圣源头，就在厄瓜多尔和秘鲁的边界上。

They're in the sacred headwaters of the Amazon just on the border between Ecuador and Peru.

深藏在丛林深处。

Deep in the jungle there.

他们是最早主动寻求接触外界的原住民族群。

And they were the very first indigenous peoples to reach out to make contact.

他们在1996年主动与西方人建立了联系，因为他们的族群有个传统：每个村落的人数一旦达到120人，年轻男子就会离开，去建立新的村落。

And they made contact in 1996 with westerners because they, a peoples, they had, they live in villages that always plateau at a 120.

只要人数达到120，年轻男子就会被派出去，另起炉灶。

As soon as they hit a 120 people, the young men are sent out and they start new villages.

所以他们的群体从来不会超过120人。

So they never live in in groups more than a 120.

这种模式已经延续了四万年，成为他们生存和适应环境的高效方式。

That has persisted as a very effective way of resilience and human experience for forty thousand years there.

于是他们开始通过梦境，一次次地向外界传递信息，引导一群西方人沿着亚马逊河找到他们，整个过程都源于他们的梦境，最终在1996年实现了首次接触。因为那几年，他们不断梦到世界末日，意识到自己的‘小兄弟’——那些与自然失联的人——正要把这个世界毁掉。

And so they started reaching out through dreams and dreams, a group of westerners into their reality, guided them down the Amazon, everything else through their dream work, and made first contact in 1996 because for a few years they had started to dream the end of the world and realized the world was gonna be destroyed by their little brothers who had lost relationship to nature.

他们这才明白，自己必须参与到修复关系的过程中来。如果真想阻止这场大规模灭绝，他们就得帮那些‘小兄弟’重新构想与自然的联结。

And so they realized they had to be part of the reconnection process and if there was gonna be a prevention of the great extinction, they were gonna have to help their little brothers redream their relationship to nature.

于是，他们开始将自己的存在融入世界各地人群的梦境中。

And so they started inserting themselves into the dreams of groups around the world.

最先响应的是比尔和琳恩·特威斯特一行人。

And the first ones to come in were traveling with Bill and Lynn Twist.

正是琳恩·特威斯特在梦中看见了他们的面容，听见了他们的声音。

And Lynn Twist was the one who was dreaming their faces and hearing their voices.

她当时是全球饥饿项目的一名负责人，常年奔走世界各地，致力于消除饥饿。

She was one of the directors of the hunger project globally and was working worldwide to try to stop hunger.

那些原住民的面孔，不断出现在她的梦里。

And these indigenous faces kept appearing in her dreams.

天哪。

Wow.

她一个朋友联系她说，你真该跟我一起去亚马逊。

And the a friend of hers reached out and said, yeah, think you need to come to the Amazon with me.

她问：那里有挨饿的人吗？

And she's like, I don't is there people hungry there?

我说：没有。

I'm like, no.

那里不缺吃的。

There's no hunger here.

你们在森林里靠打猎采集生活了四万年。

You've been eating out of the forest for forty thousand years.

她说：那我可去不了那儿。

She's like, well, I don't belong there.

我关心的是加纳、非洲和印度那些饿肚子的地方。

I'm I'm dealing with Ghana and Africa and India, all the places where people are starving.

又收到了几回邀请，她最终还是登上了驶向亚马逊深处的船。

A few more invitations come and she finally finds herself on a in a on a riverboat deep into the Amazon.

他们得停下来去上厕所。

They have to take a break for a bathroom break.

他们走到河岸上，这时她梦里出现过的三张脸从树林里走出来，说：我们等你很久了。

They step out on on the banks and the three faces she's been dreaming come walking out of the woods and say, we've been waiting for you.

该接触了。

Time for contact.

真惊人。

Wow.

那是1996年的事，算下来已经过去三十年了。

So that was twenty nineteen ninety six, so we're thirty years out.

钱最初以一种抽象概念的形式出现，是通过传教士学校里提供的盒装苹果汁。

And the way in which money inserted itself first as an abstract concept was boxed apple juices in the missionary schools that were set up there.

哦。

Oh.

盒装苹果汁突然打破了这片森林为当地居民提供生活所需长达四万年的传统与富足。

And boxed apple juice suddenly disrupted the entire forty thousand year history of provision and abundance that that forest has supplied those peoples.

这种盒装的高果糖玉米糖浆，加上什么天然香料，其实含有强效化学物质，能干扰大脑化学平衡，而这些孩子，还有他们的父母，只要尝了一口，就彻底和自然断了联系。

And this high fructose corn syrup in a box with natural flavorings, I e potent chemicals to disrupt neurochemistry, was all those children and ultimately their parents needed to taste to suddenly break their relationship to nature.

现在，他们觉得自己一无所有。

Today, they are consider themselves impoverished.

他们拼命想弄到汽油，好让那些从来没人用过的户外发动机转起来。

They are working to try to get gas for their out door motors that they never used.

他们拼命往家里塞更多加工食品，还有各种别的东西。

They are trying to get more artificial food in and everything else.

现在，智能手机都进了丛林里。

And so they've got smartphones in the in the jungle now.

他们把孩子送出丛林，送到附近城市里的英国体系学校上学。

They're sending their kids out of the jungles to go to schools, British education systems in the nearby cities.

仅仅三十年，就把一个文化彻底抽象化了。

And so it just took thirty years to abstract a culture.

而这个文化，过去从没经历过贫穷，也从没体会过匮乏。

And this was a culture that had never known poverty, had never known shortage.

以至于我跟他们相处时最让我惊艳的，就是他们的房子。

So much so that one of the most beautiful things that I experienced with them is their houses.

他们在丛林里盖出特别壮观的住宅。

They build these epic houses in the jungle.

房子特别大，天花板高达九米多。

They're huge, 30 foot vaulted ceilings.

真的吗？

Really?

美极了，室内外融为一体，就像加州最棒的生活方式。

Gorgeous, like outdoor, indoor living, like the best of California.

他们这么建房子已经四万年了，每十年就烧掉旧的，再盖新的。

And they've been building these things for forty thousand years, and they burn them down every ten years and build a new one.

他们深深理解房子的生命周期，觉得不能让一幢房子一直停留在过去十年的能量里。

Have this understanding of the life death cycle of the energy of a house and they don't want the the household to be stuck in the same energy it's had the last ten years.

所以他们把这看作一种重生。

So they see it as this rebirth.

你之前提到过那个茧。

You mentioned earlier the cocoon.

他们整个家庭都会经历这种重生的过程，整个

They go through these rebirth processes for the whole household, the whole

家。

home.

太惊人了。

Wow.

然后他们会搬走。

And they move.

他们这样做了几千年了吗？

And they've been doing it that way for thousands of years?

好几万年了。

Tens of thousands of years.

真不可思议。

Wow.

这些房子最妙的地方在于，当然没有冰箱。

And so the beautiful thing about these houses is there's not a obviously not a refrigerator.

也没有存放食物的储物箱。

There's not a storage bin for food.

四万年来，他们每天早上醒来，走出去，采集丛林当天能提供的食物。

They wake up in the morning for forty thousand years, walk outside and collect what the jungle has for them today.

但这并不是被动的行为，而是一种主动的基石物种式的生活方式。

But it wasn't a passive process, it was an active keystone species process.

每个家庭都维护着三个不同的花园，分布在森林里不同的微生态系统中，这样每年无论旱季、雨季，还是当年的其他变化，总有一个花园长得最好。

Every family has three different gardens that it maintains at different micro ecosystems within the forest so that each year, depending on dry season, wet season, whatever's happening that year, one of their gardens is thriving.

几千年来，他们就在亚马逊雨林里创造了这些微生态系统，以至于如今这里的单位面积生物多样性，是世界上任何其他生态系统都无法比拟的。

And so they have, as a peoples, created micro ecosystems within the Amazon Rainforest for tens of thousands of years to the point that it's now holds the most biodiversity per meter of any other ecosystem in the world, really.

太惊人了。

Wow.

所以我们人类，真是了不起的生物。

And so we are this magnificent creature.

但如果我们暂时切断与自然系统的联系，那么在金钱和贫困出现之前，最先浮现的，就是这种断裂。

But if you break our relationship for a moment to our natural system, then the immediate thing that shows up before money shows up, poverty shows up.

我的书里会详细探讨财富与贫困的不同形态——它们各自形成了一种独特的‘主权几何’，深深嵌入人类的行为与思维中。

And my book goes into some details like what are the different geometries of of wealth and poverty that actually hold their own security as their own kind of sovereign geometries within human behavior and human minds.

你看到贫困时，会发现它瞬间强化了一种深藏的人类创伤，这或许就是我们所有人共同的原始创伤：我们被自然遗弃了。

And what you see with poverty is this it is this instant reinforcement of a deep deep human wound that must be our one shared original wound, which is we were abandoned by nature.

一旦你相信了其中任何一点，哪怕只是隐约觉得自然在对我们藏私、不肯给予，你尝一口那种盒装苹果汁、那种高果糖玉米糖浆，大脑就会立刻反应：啊，原来真有比自然更好的东西。

And the moment you believe any aspect of that or have anything suggest that nature was holding back from us, nature wasn't giving us I mean, you taste that that boxed apple juice, that high fructose corn syrup, and the brain is me like, ah, I knew there was something better than nature.

我早就知道有比自然更好的东西，因为神经化学反应已经亮起了红灯。

I knew there was something better because the neurochemistry lights up.

那盒装苹果汁对前额叶的作用，简直就像可卡因一样，而高果糖玉米糖浆，更是个怪异的存在。

That boxed apple juice is just like cocaine on the frontal lobe, and it's a bizarre thing that high fructose corn syrup.

它太典型了，完美体现了人类现在做的所有事——高果糖玉米糖浆的分子结构，其实和果糖一模一样，而果糖正是亚马孙雅特拉人几万年来吃的各种水果里的主要糖分。

Is a bizarre thing and it's just so perfectly exemplary of everything else we're doing as humans because high fructose corn syrup is the exact same molecule as fructose, which is the main sugar and not just apples, most of the fruit that the Yatra have been eating for all these tens of thousands of years, but it's flipped.

但不一样的是，它被反转了，成了果糖分子的镜像，而这种镜像结构，在自然界里根本不存在。

It is the mirror image of the actual molecule of fructose and that does not occur in nature.

于是他们通过化学手段把分子结构翻转了，一旦翻转，肝脏就再也认不出这是碳水化合物。

And so they chemically flipped the molecule with chemical processing and the moment you flip that molecule over, the liver cannot understand it as a carbohydrate.

它现在必须把这种物质当作促炎的甘油三酯来处理。

It now has to process it as an inflammatory triglyceride.

结果不是变成糖，而是变成一种异常的脂肪，进入血液后引发心血管疾病、大脑慢性炎症，还有重度抑郁、焦虑症等各种问题接踵而至——因为你只是把现实照了面镜子。

So instead of turning it into a sugar, it turns it into this aberration of a fat and in bloodstream that now causes cardiovascular disease, downstream inflammation of the brain, major depression, anxiety disorders, all kinds of things start emerging because you just flipped reality in a mirror.

他们是怎么翻转的？

How did they flip it?

具体做了什么？

What did they do?

这是化学处理的结果，这种化学过程叫外消旋化，‘外消旋’就是指分子的镜像结构。

It's chemical treatment and so the chemical process is called erythemic and so racemic is the chemical name for the mirror image of a molecule.

你可以通过化学反应，专门制造出分子的镜像版本。

And so you can basically create chemical reactions that will create the the mirror image of the molecule.

所以高果糖玉米糖浆是一种加工食品，它把原本正常的果糖，通过外消旋化学反应把分子结构给翻转了。

And so you the high fructose corn syrup is a a processed food where you're taking normal fructose and flipping the molecule through a racemic chemical process.

那他们最初为什么要这么做呢？

And why did they first start doing that?

因为你可以对自然界中不存在的分子申请专利。

Because you can patent a molecule that doesn't exist in nature.

于是他们发明了一种人工甜味剂，这其实很能说明制药行业是怎么运作的。

And so they created an artificial sweetener, which is actually, you know, a profound way in which you can start to understand how we did everything in the pharmaceutical industry.

我们发现植物里的化合物，把它们改造成人体原本没有的结构，这样就能申请专利、实现商业化。我不是在指责别人。

We find plant compounds and we flip them around so that they're non non natural, not native to the body, and now we can patent them and we can commercialize And, I'm not damning somebody else.

我就是其中之一。

This is me.

我职业生涯的巅峰期，在学术界待了整整十七年。

I was was at the height of my career, seventeen years in academia.

我当时在研发化疗药物。

I was creating chemotherapy.

作为医生，我每天在实验室里对着癌细胞，想办法毒死它们，还拿这份薪水。

And so I was getting paid as a medical doctor to sit in labs every day with cancer cells and try to poison them.

最后我发现了一类分子，根本不需要毒害细胞。

And what I found in the end was a family of molecules that didn't require any poisoning of the cell.

它们反而能滋养细胞。

They actually nourished the cell.

也就是从那时起，我的职业方向彻底转变了——我突然意识到，我们为什么要毒害这些癌细胞呢？

And that's where my career pivoted hard, was the sudden realization of like, why why are we trying to poison these cancer cells?

我觉得，正是在这里，我们可以重新站到一起思考问题。

And I think this is where we can begin to like back up together.

但我想回到你之前提到的一个重要观点，因为当我说‘一切都很完美’时，我绝不是想淡化我们所承受的痛苦。

But I wanna go back to a really important point that you held earlier because I don't wanna when I say everything is perfect, because it is, I don't wanna diminish the amount of suffering we're in.

那个极度脱离自然系统的反社会者，他所经历的痛苦，让他觉得杀死并斩首别人是合理的。

The amount of suffering the sociopath is in who's gonna be so extremely divorced from its natural system that it will think it reasonable to kill and behead somebody else.

这种反社会者，才是人类最大的问题。

That sociopath we can look at as the great problem with humans.

如果我们没有反社会者，人类本来会过得很好。

Humans would be just fine if we didn't have sociopaths.

我当年接受生物学家和医生的训练时，就是这么被教导的。

That was how I was trained as a biologist and a medical doctor.

他们让我相信，只要没有癌细胞，我们所有人就都会健康。

I was trained to believe that if there just wasn't cancer cells, we'd all be healthy.

只要没有癌症，我们每个人都能活得更久。

We'd all live long if there just wasn't cancer.

但随着时间推移，我发现，任何花上十七年时间盯着显微镜，深入观察生命精妙之处的人，最终都会看到这一点。

And what I discovered over time, is anybody who spends seventeen years looking through microscopes down in the beauty and miraculous nature of biology is going to find this.

到最后你会明白，癌细胞根本不是什么外来入侵者。

In the end you find out that a cancer cell is actually no invader at all.

它其实是人体内最孤独的细胞。

It's actually the loneliest cell in a human body.

当一个正常细胞失去与周围环境的联系和沟通时，就会立刻表现出癌细胞的特征。

And so a human cell that loses connection and communication with its surrounding environment immediately takes on the traits of a cancer cell.

它被孤立得越久，就越具侵袭性。

The longer it's isolated, the more malignant it becomes.

‘恶性’这个词的意思是危及生命。

The word malignant means life threatening.

我想说，反社会人格者的情况其实完全一样。

I would offer you that the sociopath is exactly the same story.

这就像是一个细胞因为太过孤立，最终在行为上变得对周围的生命充满敌意。

It's just one human cell that became so isolated that it became malignant in its behavior to life around it.

当我开始转而滋养这些孤立、孤独的癌细胞，而不是试图杀死它们、毒害它们或把它们和身体系统隔离开来时，我的观念就彻底转变了。

The moment my world switched is when I started feeding those isolated, lonely cancer cells instead of trying to kill it, instead of trying to poison it, instead of trying to isolate it from the system.

结果发生的事特别美妙——它们要么重新建立了联系，要么自我消亡了。

And then what happened was beautiful, is they actually reconnected or they self eliminated.

如果那时它们还保留着足够的代谢能力，就能修复、再生，并重新融入整体系统，从此不再威胁生命。

And so if they had enough metabolic capacity left at that moment, they could repair, regenerate, and reconnect to the greater system, and they would never threaten life.

如果它们损伤太重，已经无法产生维持生命所需的能量，就会经历一种温和的过程，叫做细胞凋亡，也就是细胞逐渐溶解。

If they were too damaged and could not create enough energy for life at that moment, they would go through this gentle process called apoptosis, which is a dissolving of the cell.

这时，干细胞会被召唤过来，在原位长出一个全新的健康细胞。

A stem cell would be called in, put down a brand new healthy cell in its place.

当我们不再把癌症或反社会人格看作健康人体系统中的唯一问题时，就会意识到，这个系统根本就不健康。

When we stop looking at cancers or sociopaths as the one problem with an otherwise healthy human system, we're gonna realize we don't have a healthy human system.

所有这些现象——反社会人格和癌症——都是生命代谢能量衰退所引发的长期表现。

All of these things, the sociopath and the cancer, are long simp derived symptoms of a declining metabolic life force.

我认为，我或许能帮您从这里重新开始。

And I that's where I think I can help you back up.

是的。

Yeah.

我明白您在说什么。

I I I hear what you're saying.

在理想的世界里，没有人会因为成长环境而变成心理变态者。

So in a utopian world, no one is ever raised in a way that would create a psychopath.

在理想的世界里，孩子从小被爱和理解包围，自然就不会出现反社会人格或心理变态者。

In a utopian world, children are raised with love and understanding always, and then you never get the sociopaths and psychopaths.

所以在理想的世界、完美的世界里，确实如此。

So in a utopian world, in a perfect world, that's true.

但人类最了不起的一点就是，我们本来就不完美。

But humans are one of the really cool things about us is we're not perfect.

我们就是很混乱，你知道的。

We're very messy, You know?

所以你不可能指望所有人都能当好父母。

So you're never gonna have great parenting across the board.

只要有自由，就不可能人人都不说谎。

If you have human freedom, you're never gonna have people that don't lie.

也不可能人人都不偷东西。

You're never gonna have people that don't steal.

只要人类还有自由，暴力就永远存在——因为不是每个人都会好好教孩子，总有人会带着愤怒长大，除非我们改变人的本质，除非所有人都一起吃蘑菇、唱Kumbaya，否则我们终究还是人。

You're always gonna have violence as long as you have human freedom because people are not gonna be good at raising people, and some people are gonna get raised angry, and they're gonna you know, it's unless we change what a person is, unless we all just do mushrooms together and kumbaya altogether, we're still people.

人类的问题在于，历史上从来就没有过一个没有战争的时代。

And the problem with people is there's never been a single time in human history where we've been a people with no war.

一次都没有。

Not one.

一次都没有。

Not one.

那你得说

So you'd have to

其实有过一次。

There was one.

什么时候？

When?

所罗门王时期。

King Solomon.

所罗门王？

King Solomon?

所罗门王在位的时候，全世界都实现了和平。

During king Solomon's reign, the whole world went into peace.

那是哪一年？

What year was this?

就一代人的时间。

One generation.

这应该是大卫之后很多年了，大概距今两千四百年左右吧。

This would have been, you know, years after David, so you're it must be about twenty four years ago or something

差不多吧。

like that.

那我们怎么确定当时摩洛哥、澳大利亚或者其他地方就没有打仗呢？

So how would we even know that there weren't wars in Morocco at the time that just they didn't hear about or that there weren't wars in Australia or there weren't wars.

我们怎么知道呢？

How do we know?

我们凭什么相信那么久以前真的没有战争？

How do we know that there weren't wars so long ago?

但所罗门王在那个时代，保留了人类历史上最了不起的故事之一。

But King Solomon kept one of the best, you know, stories of humankind alive during that time.

我相信他确实做到了，但那到底是哪一年？

I'm sure he did, but what year was this?

我要是说具体年份，可能不太准确，但我估计大卫王那时候大概是两千四百年前，差不多就是那个年代。

I'd be inaccurate if I said it precisely, but I think King David would have been about twenty four hundred years ago, so somewhere in that range.

他怎么可能知道中国当时发生了什么？

What is the odds that he knows what's going on in China?

根本不可能。

Zero.

两千四百年前？

Twenty four hundred years ago?

那时候根本没什么5G。

What there's no five g.

你不可能上推特去了解中国那边的事儿。

You're not going on Twitter and finding out what's happening in China.

他根本没法知道远方有没有打仗。

There's no way he could know if there's war somewhere else.

那时候地球上其实已经存在一种超越这一切的技术了。

There was a technology beyond all of that sitting on the planet at that time.

那是什么？

What was that?

金字塔。

Pyramids.

等一下。

Hold on.

所以你觉得他们用金字塔来了解中国有没有打仗？

So you think that they use the pyramids to find out if there's war in China?

我认为那时候我们拥有一种技术，就是人的身体，而且被完全开发了，我们当时都是心灵感应的。

I think that we were we had a technology called a human body at the time that was fully used, and we were fully telepathic.

我不是说最近，但肯定是更早的时候，比如一万年、一万两千年前，我们的交流方式完全不一样。

You know, maybe not this recent, but certainly further back, ten thousand, twelve thousand years ago, we were communicating much differently.

你觉得人类天生就有心灵感应的能力，只是被语言和媒体交流给压抑了？如果回到智力发展的最初阶段，我们其实是能直接读懂彼此的想法的？

Do you think people have an innate telepathic ability that's kind of muted a little bit by language and by talking in media, and and then if we went back to the earliest stages of intelligence, we kind of read each other's minds.

后来我们发现这种方式太乱了。

And then we realized that's kinda messy.

如果我们直接说话，是不是更好？

Wouldn't it be better if we just talked?

我就直接告诉你我的想法。

Just I'll just tell you what I think.

我不想让你了解我的内心。

I don't wanna let you in.

然后呢，确实如此。

And then yeah.

后来我们开始把东西写下来。

And then we wrote things down.

一旦写下来，你就能读懂别人的想法。

So when you write things down, you could read other people's thoughts.

但在有语言之前，我猜我们根本不是这样思考的。

But before words, I bet we didn't think in those terms.

我猜我们想的都是‘那是什么’。

I bet we thought in terms of what is that.

有一棵树。

There's a tree.

有一个人。

There's a person.

有一只鹿。

There's a deer.

事情就得这么办。

This is how we have to do this.

在没有语言的情况下，我们可能本来就能理解彼此在说什么、感觉如何。

There's prob without words, there's probably an understanding of, like, what we're saying and feeling.

也许我们真正喜欢的，就是这种东西。

That's probably what we love.

这大概就是为什么你会对某些人产生奇怪的感觉。

That's probably why you get weird feelings from certain people.

你就会觉得，这人有点不对劲。

You're like, I don't know about this guy.

你懂的。

You know?

你在感受某种东西。

You're feeling something.

那里确实有些东西。

There's there's something there.

你就是说不清楚该怎么衡量它。

You just don't know how to measure it.

我觉得你说得太准了。

I think you are spot on.

你简直可以替我写这本书了。

You could have written my book for me.

所以这中间有一整块，有一整部分

So there's a whole there's a whole

章节，这绝对是

chapter in the That's definitely

不对。

not true.

里面有一整章，讲的是人类沟通方式从八万年前那种近乎心灵感应的宽频交流，一路演变成如今的短信。

There's a whole chapter in there that gives an eighty thousand year look at human communication from this point of wide open frequency bandwidth of of telepathic communication down to text messages.

在这个过程中，沟通方式一步步变得越来越抽象，呈现出一种线性的衰退趋势。

And so there's a linear decline that happens through these different steps to the more and more abstract ways of communicating.

当我们不再能彼此感受，就像你说的，我们最早是用语调交流，那时候还没出现词语。

And when we stopped feeling each other and we started like you say, we begin with tonal language before there's words.

你可以创造出代表某种意思的语调，但依然能传递完整的情感和信息。

You could start to create tones that are representative, but you're still giving a full sense.

这就像是我给你唱一首歌剧，而不是跟你讲一段话。

This is like me singing an opera to you instead of like giving you a speech.

对。

Mhmm.

所以语调语言让我们获得的是全身性的体验，你听的不只是声音，而是更深层的东西。

And so tonal language was giving us a full body experience where you're listening beyond your auditory

空间。

space.

这个

The

口头语言出现后，我们直接跳到了思维层面。

spoken word was where we suddenly went straight to the mind.

我们不再依赖身体这个工具了，只要张嘴说就行，效率立刻提升。

We were no longer using the technology of the human body and I was just gonna speak and this improved efficiency very quickly.

这标志着我们开始像机器一样运作——不再感受身体，转而用大脑处理信息。

So this was the beginning of machine like behavior where we could stop feeling the body and we could start mentally processing information.

大脑体积迅速增大，我们不断追求效率和优化，或许这就是帝国形成的路径。

The brain jumped in size and we started going through all of these iterations of efficiency and optimization maybe as the the way in which we create empire.

我们追求更多的控制、更多的财富，当时想达成的任何目标。

We create more control, more wealth, whatever we were doing at the time.

但从音调语言到口头语言，从口头语言到书面文字，再到数字表达，直到表情符号，每一步都看似带来了优势。

But there was these advantages that looked good as we went from tonal went to spoken word, from spoken word to written word, from written word to digital representations of words down to emojis.

是的

Yeah.

杰米觉得表情符号是下一代象形文字。

Jamie thinks emojis are the next hieroglyphs.

我觉得他说得对。

I think he's right.

他确实有点道理。

I think he's got something there.

对

Mhmm.

对吧？

Right?

如果它们变得特别厉害的话。

If they get real good.

我的意思是，这其实就是象形文字。

I mean, it's kind of hieroglyphs.

有点类似。

It's kind of similar.

确实有点类似。

It's kind of similar.

我会说，

I would

但这就到了抽象的尽头了。

say that, but it's the end of abstraction.

象形文字其实是通过形态来传递信息的。

So hieroglyphs actually carry the information in the form.

这些符号的形态，现在地球上一些最顶尖的头脑开始意识到，如果你画出其中一个符号，给一个人看，会引发极其强烈的生理反应。

And so the form of those shapes, now we've, you know, some of the greatest minds on on the earth are starting to recognize that if you if you draw one of those shapes and show it to a human mind, it creates an incredible medical response.

通过观看这些形状，你可以减轻炎症，甚至改善很多其他状况，因为形状本身会引发一种波效应——等一下。

You can reverse inflammation, all kinds of things by looking at the shape because the shape is creating a wave Wait a minute.

你是说，看某些象形文字的形状？

Looking at the shape of certain hieroglyphs?

是的

Yeah.

埃及象形文字中的那些图案，现在正被用来真正改变人体的生理机能。

The shapes that are in Egyptian hieroglyphs are now being used to to really change human biology.

我们逐渐意识到，它们并不是某种东西的象征性表达。

We're realizing it was it was not a symbolic representation of something.

而是一种完整的信息传递方式。

It was a full transmission of information.

有相关的论文发表吗？

Is there papers written on this?

易卜拉欣是当今最杰出的思想家之一。

So Ibrahim is one of the greatest minds out there.

他来自埃及开罗，现在已经八十岁了。

He's out of Egypt, Cairo Egypt and he's in his eighties now.

我打算介绍你们认识，你一定会想请他上节目。

And I'm gonna connect you with him because you'd love to have him on the on the show.

但他已经被一些大型机构聘请了，现在瑞士也请他用这些图案重新设计他们的5G网络，以改善网络周边的生物环境和生活质量，我觉得这才是科技的未来。

But he has been hired by large, you know, groups and now Switzerland has hired him now to recode their five gs network with these shapes to improve biology and life around the five gs network, which I think is the future of technologies.

科技本身并没有错。

Technology is not bad.

只是科技没有融入自然系统中。

Technology is not integrated in natural systems.

伊布拉欣正在向我们揭示一条路径，让我们理解这些图案——它们不仅出现在埃及的许多象形文字里，也深深嵌入在金字塔的实际构造中。

And so Ebrahim is showing us this pathway to understanding how these original shapes that are represented within a lot of the hieroglyphs and things like that in Egypt, but also really embedded in the actual technology of the pyramids.

那是一种超越人类思维的沟通方式，是一种生命能量的传递。

It was a it was a method of communication that was beyond the human mind, beyond it was a life force transmission.

当你在理解象形文字所要传达的含义时，它其实正在对你产生作用。

So it's doing something to you while you're understanding the context of what the hieroglyphics is trying to communicate.

这会引发一种生理上的体验。

It's actually having a physiological experience.

即使你完全不懂这些象形文字的含义，任何人也会有这种生理反应吗？

And anybody will have this physiological experience even if you don't understand the context?

根本不需要理解。

There's no understanding involved.

明白了。

Okay.

所以你只要去那里，盯着这些图案看，就能减轻炎症？

So you just go there, stare at these things, and you've it reduces inflammation?

是的。

Yeah.

网上有这方面的资料吗？

Is there anything on that online?

能找到些什么吗？

Can we find something?

杰米，你怎么敢笑这个？

Jamie, how dare you laugh at that?

我只是

I'm just

是的，我有。

I yeah.

但要深入研究，孩子。

But go deep, son.

我试过了，结果让服务员等在那里。

I did, and it Put on the waiters.

我试了所有方法，系统都说没有关联，但我还在更仔细地找。

I tried everything, and it said there's no link, but I'm looking harder.

你知道哪里有可靠的资源，能查到类似这种关联的资料吗？

You know of a a good resource where we could find a link to something like this?

因为我想知道他们是怎么测量炎症的。

Because I'd like to know how they measure the inflammation.

我并不排斥相信这种可能性。

I'm not opposed to believing that it's possible.

就去看看Ebrahim的吧。

Just look at by Ebrahim

在这儿呢。

Here it is.

伊布拉希姆。

Ebrahim.

伊布拉希姆·卡里姆。

Ebrahim Karim.

对。

Yep.

这还行。

This is alright.

那也没事。

Well, that's okay.

写的是生物几何学。

Says biogeometry.

这是他的原话。

This is his quote.

它说，当两个能量场产生共振并交换信息时，共振结束后会发生一些变化。

It says, when two energy fields are in resonance and exchange information, something happens after the resonance is over.

这两个系统不会回到原来的状态。

The two systems do not go back to their original state.

会有一种振动式的渗透发生，也就是说，新信息的一部分会在能量系统上留下印记。

A sort of vibrational impregnation occur occurs, which means that part of the new information leaves an imprint on the energy system.

系统通过共振或互动，始终处于持续演变之中。

Systems then are in constant evolution through resonance or interaction.

这么说来，人确实就是这样。

Well, that certainly seems to be what people are.

太完美了。

Perfect.

整个系统的这个描述，简直就是对人类的完美写照。

It's a perfect that that whole system is that description is a perfect description of human beings.

我完全同意。

I completely agree.

所以身边多待些积极快乐的人特别重要。

Which is why it's so important to be around positive people and happy people.

对你真的很有好处。

It's, like, really good for you.

整天跟那些讨厌鬼待在一起可太伤人了

Being around shitheads is terrible for

对你自己。

you.

没错。

Yeah.

你明白吧？

You know?

对他们自己也不好，因为他们吸引不来任何好人，结果就只能一直这样下去。

And terrible for them too because they're they're not attracting any nice people because and then they're gonna continue that behavior.

他们被困住了。

They're stuck.

你明白吧？

You know?

但这真有意思。

But that's fascinating.

你有没有把自己的大脑捐给医学研究？

Are you are you contributing your brain to medical science?

你有没有

Have you

我捐了吗？

Am I contributing it?

而且我

And what I

我觉得研究你肯定会特别有意思。

think it'd be very interesting to study you.

我会吗？

I would be?

有一个词特别能捕捉到伊布拉欣那句话里所体现的生命力，这个词叫‘biosis’。

So there's a word that really captures the living force of out of that quote from Ibrahim, and it it's a word called biosis.

‘Biosis’指的是让生命成为可能的那些相互关联的关系。

And so the word biosis means and refers to the interconnected relationships that make life possible.

你的思维特别有意思，特别值得观察，所以大家都爱看。

Your mind is one of the funnest things to watch and that's why everybody watches.

因为你带着好奇心，而我认为这正是人性的核心。

Because you come in with a curiosity, which I think is the real key to being human.

你看到那个瞬间就脱口而出：这就是人性的真谛。

Because you looked at that and you you immediately said that's what being human is.

两个能量场，能够彼此孕育。

Two energy fields that can impregnate each other.

是的。

Yeah.

这个播客十六年来一直受到你好奇心的滋养和启发。

This podcast has been a sixteen year impregnation inspired by your curiosity.

哦，我也被深深影响了。

Oh, it's impregnated me as well.

这并不是说

It's not like

我不是那个意思，我的重点是。

it's not like I'm the one who my point.

对。

Yeah.

我的意思是，你一次又一次地让自己敞开心扉，接受这种影响。

That's my point is you have made yourself available to over and over again be impregnated.

你让自己的整个身体系统都开放，去接纳新的信息。

You are making your whole body system available to new information.

很多在这里的人，既不是公认最聪明的，也不是最友善的。

And a lot of people that are in here aren't like measured as the smartest people on the planet, and they're not measured as the nicest people on the planet.

你总是吸引那些促使你突破生理极限、不断成长的人。

You keep attracting to yourself the ones that are going to challenge your biology to stretch more, to grow more.

你太想成长了，所以为自己打造了整套系统。

You want to grow so much that you created this whole system for yourself.

我对这样的灵魂很感兴趣。

I'm intrigued by that soul.

我好奇的是，有人能吸引一亿人围绕自己，不是为了炫耀，而是为了接收伊布拉欣说的那些海量信息。

I'm intrigued by somebody that would magnetize a 100,000,000 people to themselves, not so that you can impress other people, but so you can receive that much information that Ibrahim is talking about.

但这并不是有意为之。

Well, it's not intentional.

从来就不是为了这个目的。

It was never on purpose.

一开始做播客纯粹是图个乐子。

Like, the podcast was just for fun.

我们刚起步那几年，根本没赚到一分钱。

Like, the when we first start we I don't think we've made money on it for years.

就是觉得好玩。

It was just fun.

就是图个乐子。

It was just fun to do.

刚开始的时候，就是跟朋友随便聊聊。

And in the beginning, it was just talking with my friends.

然后

And then

那这跟目的又有什么冲突呢？

Why would that be separate from purpose?

我的意思是，虽然说是玩儿，但也是跟朋友一起建立的社群，挺有意义的。

Well, I mean, it was purposeful in that it was recreational, and it was a a community thing with with our friends.

我们喜欢做这个，因为以前一起做早间广播就特别开心。

We would enjoy it because we always enjoyed doing, like, morning radio together.

我们就觉得这事儿挺有意思的。

We said it'd be fun.

现在技术也到位了。

We can the technology exists now.

我们现在可以在网上做这种事。

We can kinda do this on the Internet.

后来我们请了格雷厄姆·汉考克来做客。

And then we had Graham Hancock on.

我和朋友邓肯一起见了格雷厄姆·汉考克，那大概是多少年前的事了？

So my friend Duncan and I sat down with Graham Hancock, which was how many years ago was that?

是不是十五年前？

Was that fifteen years ago?

是的。

Yeah.

应该是2011年吧，我记得。

Would've been twenty eleven, I think.

大概就是十五年前吧。

Probably, like, fifteen years ago.

他是我请的第一个嘉宾，我觉得，要么是他，要么是安东尼·波登，算是第一个正式嘉宾。

So that he was the first I believe he was the first it was either him or Anthony Bourdain with the first real guest.

我觉得是格雷厄姆。

I think it was Graham.

因为这个节目，现在我能请人来做客、提问了，而我早就读过《神的指纹》，一直是格雷厄姆·汉考克的铁粉。

And all of a sudden, now because of this show, I can have people on and ask questions, and I had already read Fingerprints of the Gods, and I was a huge Graham Hancock fan.

我那些在大学里学过正统历史的朋友，总是对我不停重复的那些观点特别反感。

And all my friends that, like, had studied actual history in college were always very offended by my ideas that I would repeat from my ideas.

那家伙是个骗子。

That guy's a charlatan.

闭嘴吧。

Shut the fuck up.

我就说，我觉得他说得有道理。

And I'd be like, I think he's right.

我觉得他有些观点是对的。

I think he's got some points.

所以他才是我们第一个真正意义上的嘉宾。

So he was our first real guest.

从那以后，我就意识到可以找嘉宾了，因为观看人数一直在涨，越来越多的人在看。

And then from then, I've realized that I could get guests because the numbers started get getting more and more people were watching it.

所以我心想，嘿，现在我可以请这些人了，比如我就请到了尼尔·德葛拉司·泰森。

So I was like, oh, so now I could just ask all these like, I got Neil deGrasse Tyson on.

我还请了各种各样的人来做客。

I got all these different people on.

我觉得这人挺有意思的。

I was like, this guy seems interesting.

他到底是做什么的？

Like, what does he do?

我请过做刀的工匠，也请过养蜂人。

Like, I had knife makers on, and I've had beekeepers on.

对我来说，这简直是个难得的机会，能跟这么多有趣的人聊天。

It's just like it's just to me, it's a a crazy opportunity to talk to fascinating people.

就算这不是份工作，我也愿意做。

And I would love to do that even if it wasn't a job.

就算没人看，哪怕这不是份工作，只要每周能有三四次，坐对面跟一个有趣的人聊上几个小时，我就心满意足了。

If I knew that three or four times a week, even if it wasn't a job, no one ever watched it, and I could just have a conversation with an interesting person for a couple hours just sitting across the table.

那你当初是怎么开始做这个的？

So how did you start doing this?

就是想深入了解他们，弄清楚他们为什么这么做，背后的动力是什么。

And just pick their brain and find out, like, why how did what is what's their motivation?

是什么让他们感到兴奋？

Like, what what gets them excited?

他们为什么会喜欢这种音乐？

Why do they like that kind of music?

你当初是怎么接触到这个的？

Like, where why'd you pick that up?

你懂的。

You know?

是什么让你对这个如此着迷？

What what what fascinates you about that?

你会不会有时候失去动力？

Like, do you ever lose ambition?

你心里头会想些什么呢？

Do you ever like, what goes on in your head?

我觉得 somewhere along the line，我慢慢意识到，我自己就像个接收器，专门接收这些人的故事。

And I think somewhere along the line, I've realized that I'm kind of like an antenna for all these other people.

只要我心里头是纯粹的，对吧？

And that as long as it's pure in my my mind, Right?

只要我聊的都是我真感兴趣的人。

As long as I'm only talking to people that I'm actually interested in talking to.

所以节目里请谁，完全是我自己说了算。

So there's there's no one who decides who is on the show but me.

没有高管来插手讨论。

There's no executives that have discussions.

也没有什么董事会来开会决定。

There's no board meetings.

什么都没有。

There's nothing.

真的什么都没有。

There's nothing.

这是我的手机。

It's my phone.

我就觉得，这人挺酷的。

And I just I just go, that guy seems cool.

或者她在说啥呢？

Like or or what is she talking about?

这也太离谱了。

That's nuts.

这事儿是真的吗？

Like, is that real?

天哪。

Oh my god.

她是怎么发现的？

What how did she figure that out?

进来吧。

Come on in.

我一直都是这么做的。

And that's the whole way I've always done it.

只要我坚持这样，大家就能和我一起体验，因为我就是做我自己。

And as I feel like as long as I just do it that way, then people are getting they're getting a chance to experience it with me because I'm being I'm just being me.

对吧？

Right?

我特别享受看别人做他们喜欢的事，哪怕我自己一点兴趣都没有。

And which is I I personally get great satisfaction out of watching people do things that they enjoy even if I have no interest in those things.

比如看到一个人做橱柜，特别投入地打磨、抛光，你一眼就能看出来，他对自己做的东西特别自豪。

Like, if I see a guy who's, like, making cabinets and he's, like, really into the the polishing and the sanding, you could tell, like, this guy's work is he's very proud of his work.

他把接缝处理得严丝合缝，全都打磨光滑，我就在旁边看着他抛光。

He makes those seams nice and tight and sands it all down, and I'm watching him polish it.

我看着他上漆。

I'm and I'm watching him put the stain on.

我心想，真厉害。

I'm like, wow.

这东西是他亲手做出来的。

That guy made that with his hands.

他退后一步，用超细纤维布抛光，我就特别喜欢这一点。

And he steps back, and he's polishing it with a microfiber cloth, and I love that.

我喜欢看到有人对某件事全情投入。

I love when people are into things.

我喜欢看到有人修发动机。

I love when people are fixing engines.

我喜欢有人认真画画的样子。

I love when someone's really into painting.

我就喜欢看到有人对事情充满热情。

I love people being into things.

所以我就像个接收器，专门捕捉那些全心投入的人。

So I'm an antenna for people that are really into things.

我觉得伊布拉欣刚才那句话说的正是这个意思。

I think that's exactly what Ibrahim was just describing in that quote.

对。

Yeah.

我们每个人都是接收器，时刻都在接收各种信息。

We are antenna and we are receiving information all the time.

而作为人类最令人兴奋的地方就在于，我们的接收能力比地球上任何其他生物都要宽广得多。

And the reason why it's so exciting to be human is because our antenna has got a broader aperture to receive information than any other creature on Earth so far.

至少据我们所知，是前所未有的。

And than ever before, as as far as we know.

至少在这个星球上是这样。

On this planet, at least.

是的。

Yeah.

但金字塔的事我想再回来说说，我不觉得那是人类有史以来最聪明、最先进的时候。

But the pyramids, I wanna go back to that because I don't know if this is the smartest and the most advanced people have ever been.

我觉得不是。

I don't think it is.

我真的觉得不是。

I really don't.

我认为金字塔正是我们该质疑这种说法的绝佳例子。

I think the pyramids are the perfect example of why we should question that that narrative.

我们总想把这种地方 neatly 塞进一个规规矩矩的小盒子，当然，我对传统考古学家很尊重，但你根本做不到。

You know, we wanna put that in that place into a nice cute little box and, you know, all due respect to traditional archaeologists, but you really can't.

从物理上讲，根本不可能把那个地方定在所谓的‘公元前2500年’。

There's not it's not physically possible to put that place that supposedly was made February.

那其实只是个猜测。

That's, you know, that's the that's the guess.

那真的只是个猜测，因为根本没法用碳十四测年。

It's really kind of a guess because there's no Doesn't carbon date

就这么说吧。

well that way.

是的。

Yeah.

关于它的建造，完全没有任何象形文字记载。

There's no hieroglyphs at all about the construction of it.

也没有任何图示说明它们是怎么建起来的。

There's no they don't show how they made it.

他们根本不知道这玩意儿到底是干什么用的，也不知道为什么某些区域会有这么严重的风化。

They don't they don't know what the fuck it was, and they don't know why it has so much erosion in certain areas.

他们搞不懂为什么这些建筑会叠在更古老的结构上面，而那些更老的结构反而更复杂，这完全说不通。

They don't know why it's been built on there's other structures that are built on top of older structures that are even more complex, like, makes no sense.

这真的说不通。

It makes no sense.

当你在搬运重达千吨的巨大石像时，这一切都完全说不通。

It just makes no sense when you're moving enormous statues that are a thousand tons.

怎么可能？

How?

你们是怎么做到的？

How'd you do that?

你们是怎么弄到那个东西的？

How did you get that thing?

你们是怎么把东西运到四百英里外的？

How'd you move at 400 miles?

你们到底在搞什么名堂？

What the fuck are you guys doing?

你们在做我们现在根本做不到的事。

You're doing something we can't do right now.

就算我们再自信，现在也还没机器能干这种活。

As cocky as we wanna be, we don't have machines to do that right now.

既然这样，我们凭什么觉得他们当时很原始？

So what why would we believe that they were primitive?

我们凭什么觉得他们和四千五百年前全世界其他地方的人一样落后？这根本说不通。

Why would we believe that they were commensurate with the rest of what we think the world was four thousand five hundred years ago because that's crazy.

这完全不合理。

It makes no sense.

光是埃及这一处，就已经够让人震惊了。

That alone, just Egypt alone.

那些非洲人当时到底在搞什么？

It's like, what were those people in Africa doing?

不管他们当时在做什么，都远远超出了我们现在能做到的任何事。

Because whatever the fuck they were doing, it's above and beyond anything anyone's doing right now.

二百三十万块石头，每一块都精准对准了正北、正南、正东和正西。

2,300,000 stones that perfectly align to true north, south, east, and west.

这怎么可能做到？

How?

靠的是生物学。

Biology.