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乔·罗根的播客。
Joe Rogan podcast.
去看看吧。
Check it out.
乔·罗根体验。
The Joe Rogan experience.
让我的一天充满活力。
Train my day.
晚上听乔·罗根的播客，全天都这样。
Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
我的朋友。
My friend.
乔。
Joe.
见到你真好，老兄？
What's good to see you, man?
老兄，见到你真好
Bro, it's good to
见到你真好。
see you.
我之前一直给你发东西，因为我知道你要来，就发了那段视频，就是有人用红外相机拍到黑豹的那段。
So I've been sending you stuff because, like, we've been I knew that you were coming on, and I sent you that one that video of the guy who got a trail cam photo of a black panther.
对。
Yep.
那这不就是一只黑色素变异的山狮吗？
So is that just a a melanistic mountain lion?
你是说
Like, what
这到底是什么？
is that?
这是个好问题。
It's a great question.
从来就没有过黑化的美洲狮。
There's never been a melanistic mountain lion.
从来没人见过，真的。
Nobody's ever seen one, ever.
没撞死过，圈养里也没生过，啥都没有。
Never hit one with a car, never born one in captivity, nothing.
哇哦。
Woah.
不管是叫美洲狮还是山狮，反正这类动物里，从来就没出现过黑色的个体。
So mountain lions, by definition, pumas, you know, whatever you wanna call them, there's never been a black one ever.
可每年都有人说见过。我在佛罗里达有个朋友，一口咬定他在自家后院亲眼见过黑色的美洲狮。
But every year I mean, I got a buddy in Florida who swears blind that he's seen a black mountain lion in his backyard.
而且你发给我的那张照片，每隔三年就会在网上流传一遍。
And yet, that photo that you sent me, that photo circulates, like, once every three years.
这事儿是编的？
It's bullshit?
这根本是瞎扯。
It's bullshit.
照片本身是真的，但它是用野外红外触发相机拍的。
It's a real photo, but it's a trail cam photo.
哦，这次不是那一张。
Oh, it wasn't this one.
不过，我印象里先出现的是那张图，还有另一张里的那只猫都快凑到镜头跟前了。
But Well, that's I think that's the first one, and then there's another one with the cat gets, like, right up to the lens.
对。
Yeah.
就是那张。
That one.
所以那张照片里的是只美洲豹，我敢肯定。
So that photo is a real I wanna say jaguar.
不太容易分辨。
It's hard to tell.
不过不管是美洲豹还是黑豹，它们都有可能出现黑化现象。
But either jaguar or black leopard, both of which are do become melanistic.
对。
Right.
而且你能看出来，因为那些斑点，也就是玫瑰状的斑纹，隐约可见。
But there's and you can tell that because you can see the spots barely, like the rosettes.
是的。
Mhmm.
所以像美洲豹、豹子这些会出现黑化现象的猫科动物，它们黑色的皮毛底下其实还保留着那些玫瑰斑纹，对吧？
So all these melanistic cats like like jags and leopards and things that do get melanistics, they still have those rosettes under the black Right.
皮毛。
Coat.
对。
Yeah.
所以这肯定不是美洲狮。
So not a mountain lion.
对。
Right.
真可惜。
Too bad.
我知道。
I know.
太让人遗憾了。
It's such a bummer.
要是哪天有人真找到了，那在科学界绝对是个大新闻。
One day if somebody finds one, that'll be like a huge thing scientifically.
挺有意思的，我们总盼着它有点不一样，但其实普通的美洲狮本身就够神奇了。
Funny that we want it to be different because just a mountain lion itself is amazing.
我是说，要是它们全黑的，突然来只浅棕色的美洲狮，大家肯定得惊呼：哇，有人看到一只浅棕色的。
I mean, if they were all black and there was like a tan mountain lion, be like, oh, somebody saw a tan
那绝对是百分之百的。
mountain A 100%.
对吧？
Right?
反正就是，越不一样、越稀有的东西，人们就越想要那一个。
It's like whatever is different and rare is what people just are like, I want that one thing.
我一直都这么说过大脚怪。
I've always said that about Bigfoot.
是的。
Yeah.
大脚怪确实挺有意思，但没虎鲸那么吸引人。
The Bigfoot is kind of interesting, but not as interesting as an orca.
百分百。
Like A 100%.
没错。
Right.
我们连大猩猩都比大脚怪更酷。
Like, we have gorillas that are cooler than Bigfoots.
特别是虎鲸，因为它们有我们无法破译的语言。
Well, orcas in in particular because they have languages that we can't decipher.
语言、特殊的饮食习惯，有些族群甚至彼此之间都无法交流，你肯定知道这些。
Languages, specialized diets, some kind do you know I'm sure you know us can't even talk to each other.
没错。
Right.
对。
Yeah.
真是难以置信。
It's unbelievable.
这就好比你去印度或者非洲一样。
Like, it's the same as if you or I went to India or Africa.
我们根本没法交流。
It's like we can't communicate.
吃的东西也不一样。
We don't eat the same food.
坚果。
Nuts.
我们看起来不一样。
We look different.
但对我们来说，虎鲸就是虎鲸。
And yet to us, an orca is an orca.
对。
Right.
对。
Yeah.
而且它们特别聪明，大脑也很大，不知怎么的，它们不会伤害人类。
And it's super smart and huge brains and don't kill people for some strange reason
从来没有。
Ever.
除非是在圈养环境下。
Except when they're in captivity.
没错。
That's right.
对。
Yeah.
这简直太疯狂了。
Which is so crazy.
大概三年前，我在墨西哥下加利福尼亚做了一件事，当时我们正坐着一艘小渔船兜风，突然看到一群虎鲸从旁边游过。
I did a thing in Baja, Mexico maybe three years ago where we were just cruising on this little ponga, this little fishing boat, and we saw these orcas go by.
现在好像很多人都在这么做。
And now people seem to be doing it a lot.
但那时候，根本没人试过这种做法。
But at the time, it was like nobody had really just tried this.
那些是迁徙型虎鲸，主要吃海豹和海狮，不是吃鳐鱼的那种。
And this was a transient population, which means they primarily eat seals and sea lions, not the stingray eaters.
所以我们当时就想，管他呢。
And so we're like, fuck it.
咱们直接冲过去吧。
Let's just go.
然后我们赶紧把船开上前头，直接跳进水里。
And we, like, ran the boat up ahead and jumped in.
虎鲸游过来了，但那只公鲸一直没浮出水面。
And the orcas came up, and the bull never came out.
你知道的，公鲸的背鳍特别大。
So, you know, the bull has a huge fin.
就是，他是那个群体里最大、最强势的保护者。
Like, he's the biggest like, the the dominant protector of the pod.
但是母鲸和小鲸游过来了，船就漂走了。
But the cows and their babies came up, and the boat, like, drifted away.
我和我朋友迈克就被他们围着转，瞪着大眼睛盯着我们看。
And me and my buddy, Mike, and they just circled us, like, just looking at us with their big eyeballs.
哇。
Woah.
然后虎鲸就围着我们转。
And it was me to you from orcas.
它们大概在我们周围转了两圈。
And they they did, like, two two circles around us.
心想：这到底是什么玩意儿？
Like, what are these things?
然后我们觉得没啥意思，就继续游走了。
Then we're just like, meh, boring and kept swimming.
它们肯定是察觉到什么了。
They they they must know.
对不对？
Right?
既然虎鲸这么聪明，还有自己的语言能互相交流，那它们肯定能分清人类是什么，对吧？
If they're that intelligent and they have language and they communicate, they must know that what what a person is.
没错吧？
Right?
我觉得你看
I think I Look
这个。
at this.
哇，哥们。
Oh, dude.
我看到拍这段视频的人了。
I saw the guy that filmed this.
这也太疯狂了。
This is so crazy.
虎鲸猛撞一条翻车鱼，力道大到把它撞爆了。
Orca headbutts a sunfish so hard it explodes.
砰的一声。
Boom.
直接碎成好几块。
Turns into pieces.
所以这是一种新记录到的行为。
So this is a newly documented behavior.
就在最近大概六个月里，他们发现虎鲸真的会通过撞击把鱼撞爆，不管是为了玩耍还是其他原因。而且他们发现，这已经不是第一次发生这种情况了，它们确实是在这么做。
Just in the last maybe six months, they've found that orcas will literally explode fish from impact, whether it's a game or what, but they're they're finding that this is not the first time this is done they're doing this.
它们现在就是单纯地通过撞击把鱼撞爆，没有任何特别的原因。
They're starting to just explode these fish on impact just because.
它们是怎么做到的？
How are they doing that?
就是说，它们的速度到底有多快？
Like, how how fast are they going?
这个我真不知道，不过
I do not know the answer to that, but
我完全没想到这居然真的会发生。
it's I would have never imagined that that would actually be possible.
对吧？
Right?
比如，它们的速度能有多快？
Like, how fast can you
我在想，海星长什么样？
I'm trying to what does the starfish look?
是像鳐鱼那样扁平的吗？
Is it like flat like a stingray?
你说的是翻车鱼吗？
A sunfish?
就是说啊
It's like
就像翻车鱼，就是那种长着超大奇怪鳍的海洋太阳鱼。
a mola mola, those ocean sunfish with the big goofy fins.
太厉害了。
Huge.
好的。
Okay.
有的特别大。
Some of huge.
有的一百多磅重。
Them Six 100 pounds.
它们能长得特别大。
I get huge.
挺有意思的。
It's funny.
简直都化成灰了。
Literally turned to dust.
哥们，我觉得那些虎鲸就像那种无聊到想拿石头砸路上海龟的乡巴佬，心里想的就是：太无聊了。
Dude, I think I think those are the orca equivalents of, like, a redneck that wants to hit a turtle on the road, and they're just like, we're bored.
干脆把它炸了算了。
Let's explode it.
或者就像那些专门干这种事的人。
Or those guys that do that.
你看过那个节目吗？
Have you seen that game?
其实不算游戏，但不管它叫什么吧，就是一种活动，就是这帮人全速冲向对方。
Well, it's not a game, but it's, I guess, whatever it is, an activity where these guys just run at each other full blast.
哥们，RNC，Run Nation，我太爱这个了。
Dude, RNC, Run Nation, I fucking love that.
这是我最喜欢的东西之一。
It's one of my favorite things.
我是他们的超级粉丝。
I'm such a huge fan.
你喜欢那个吗？
Did you love that?
我太爱了，兄弟。
I love it, dude.
因为我打橄榄球。
Because I play rugby.
所以做这个的是橄榄球运动员。
So it's rugby boys that are doing it.
对吧？
Right?
这就像是橄榄球版的俄克拉荷马式冲撞训练。
It's like an Oklahoma drill except for rugby guys.
我打橄榄球的时候，经常练这个。
And that's a drill that when I was playing rugby, we used to do all the time.
你们就是直接冲向对方？
You just run at each other?
就是跑起来，这就是我的Run Nation，RNC。
You just run at it's my run nation, RNC.
这是我最喜欢的东西。
It's my favorite thing.
我
I
每个视频都看。
watch every video.
看看这些人。
Look at these guys.
我完全没想到他们俩直接就晕过去了。
I would have never get they both just went unconscious.
你看那个。
Look at that.
刚才那两组都没问题，那个小伙子状态挺好的。
They both went well, that guy's that guy's fine.
我之前还见过两个人都直接撞晕的场面呢。
I'm such a seen it where they both get unconscious.
我真想把这群人带到美国去，看看他们和NFL的那些线卫比起来实力怎么样。
I wanna bring these guys to The US and see how they stack up against, like, NFL linebackers.
我的天呐。
Jesus Christ.
他俩直接拿头互撞，哥们儿。
They both headbutted each other, dude.
哥们儿，你不是挺喜欢格斗类运动的吗？
Dude, you love fight sports.
你这话说的什么呀？
What are you talking about?
那不算格斗运动。
Not a fight sport.
这也太离谱了。
This is just retarded.
我真是服了。
I'm such a fan.
哎呀，这也太搞笑了。
Oh, that's so silly.
哇，太厉害了。
Oh, wow.
说清楚，我不想参与。
I don't wanna do it, to be clear.
你喜欢这样，这很简单。
Easy that you like that.
我对脑损伤了解得太多，如果你喜欢橄榄球，你也该了解。
I know too much about brain damage, and you should too if you like rugby.
我脑损伤太严重，没法深入了解脑损伤了。
I've had too much brain damage to know too much about brain
才不是呢。
no.
我就是开个玩笑。
I'm just kidding.
可是啊
But
你之前打橄榄球打了多久啊？
How long did you play rugby for?
哦，我是在津巴布韦长大的。
Well, I grew up in Zimbabwe.
所以说，在南非那块地方，橄榄球就是所有人的生活重心。
And so, like, Southern Africa, rugby is life.
是吧？
Right?
所以那种氛围就跟美国深南部的橄榄球文化差不多。
So it's, like, probably Deep South football kind of culture.
对。
Mhmm.
其实我现在还在打橄榄球呢，信不信由你。只不过现在打得断断续续的，因为只要打一场我就得歇好几个星期，而且……
So I still play, believe it or not, except now I play very intermittently because one game puts me out for weeks and
那你去检查过大脑吗？
a you ever got your brain examined?
没有。
No.
我没做过。
I have not.
我敢打赌，但我只是……
I guarantee But I've only
我这辈子只受过一次脑震荡，所以我觉得没什么大碍。
had one concussion in my life, so I think I'm okay.
哦，那太傻了。
Oh, that's silly.
因为只要你打，就肯定会受到那种非昏迷性的脑部冲击。
Because you you guarantee you'd have subconcussive trauma.
什么叫非昏迷性的脑部冲击？
What is subconcussive trauma?
就是人没晕过去，但脑子被晃得七荤八素，其实已经造成了一些脑损伤。
Well, you where you don't go unconscious, but you get rattled, and then you have some brain damage.
你说得挺有道理的。
You're probably right.
是的。
Yeah.
足球运动员也会得。
Soccer players get it.
真的吗？
Really?
是的。
Yeah.
足球运动员确实会。
Soccer players yeah.
经常会出现。
Getting Yeah.
慢性创伤性脑病。
Chronic traumatic encephalopathy.
是的。
Yeah.
足球运动员就是会这样
That's soccer players get
就是这么回事。
it.
我之前还真不知道。
I did not know that.
是因为经常头球造成的。
From hitting the ball.
那你对综合格斗应该也很了解吧？
So is that and you know a lot about UFC.
综合格斗造成的脑损伤比这个更严重吗？
Is that brain trauma worse than UFC type trauma?
其实都是脑部损伤，具体情况要看很多因素。
Well, it's all brain trauma, and it's dependent upon many factors.
关键看你被击打过多少次。
It's dependent upon how many times you've been hit.
对。
Mhmm.
还有，存在一种基因变异。
And, also, there's a gene variation.
叫载脂蛋白E4。
It's ape a p o e four.
是这个吧？
Is that what it is?
我觉得是。
I think so.
对。
Yeah.
如果你携带某个特定基因，会让你更容易患上CTE，因为某种原因。
The if you have this one particular gene, it makes you more susceptible to CTE for some sort
挺有意思的。
of Interesting.
对的
Yeah.
所以说，脑震荡其实就是你的大脑撞到了颅骨上，大概是这个意思。
So, like, because a brain a concussion is when your brain sort of impacts against your skull.
真的是这样吗？
Is that right?
确实有这个基因的影响，但事情没这么简单，不光是这一个原因。
There's that, and, I mean, I think it's also it's not just that.
就比如说脖子被撞了的话，也会引发脑震荡吗？
It's like if you get hit in the neck, can you get a concussion.
没错，也会的。
Also yeah.
还有很多人都不知道，哪怕身体被撞击，也有可能引发脑震荡。
Also, a lot of people don't realize you can get a concussion from getting hit in the body.
真的吗？
Really?
怎么做到的
How does
这到底是怎么回事？
that work?
因为身体会剧烈晃动。
Because Like, rattles.
身体被震得晃来晃去。
Get rattled.
对。
Yeah.
还有一类容易得慢性创伤性脑病的人，是玩喷气式水上摩托的人。
Also, another group of people that seem to get CTE are people who ride jet skis.
这太让人意外了。
That's wild.
是啊。
Oh, yeah.
这样有效吗？
Does that work?
我的朋友马克·戈登是位医生，专治创伤性脑损伤，接诊过很多橄榄球运动员、军人，也治过一些格斗选手。
Well, my friend Mark Gordon, he's a doctor who specializes in traumatic brain injuries and treating football players, soldiers, and he's treated some fighters as well.
他说，任何反复的冲击、撞击，比如头部反复受震，都会造成问题。
He said that any repeated stress, any banging, anything like that, head banging.
就像你疯狂地摇头晃脑，对吧？
Like, you're a fucking headbang Yeah.
你很可能因此伤到大脑。
Like, you're probably gonna get brain damage.
不可能吧。
No way.
是的。
Yeah.
真真切切的大脑损伤。
Legitimate brain damage.
比如我刚才刚做的事，才过去五秒就记不起来了。
Like, I can't remember what I was doing five seconds ago.
哇。
Wow.
我的钥匙放哪儿了？
Where's my keys?
我话说到一半，都忘了自己原本在说什么了。
I forget what I'm talking about mid sentence.
兄弟，你这话吓到我了
Dude, you're scaring me here.
这些全都是我平时喜欢做的事啊
These are all things I enjoy doing.
那肯定的啊，我也觉得是这样。
Well, I'm sure yeah.
我还挺喜欢一直朝着别人冲过去的感觉呢。
I enjoy running straight at people for the last.
对。
Yeah.
我就是看看。
I just look.
那些人真是野兽。
Those guys are animals.
他们可是硬汉。
They're tough guys.
这绝对没错。
No doubt about it.
还有那些太平洋岛民，大多都是他们在从事这项活动。
And those Pacific Islanders, like because those are guys that are doing it primarily.
对吧？
Right?
就比如他们还打橄榄球联赛之类的运动。
Like, they play rugby league and stuff.
他们的体格完全不一样。
They're built different.
对，没错。
Oh, yeah.
他们真的特别硬气。
Like, they're so hard.
简直太疯狂了。
It's insane.
你还记得大卫·图阿吗？
Do you remember David Tua?
不记得。
No.
我不了解。
I'm not.
大卫·图阿是一位重量级拳击手，明白吗？
David Tua was a heavyweight boxer Okay.
那时候，谁算是拳击界最凶狠的选手之一呢？
Back in the day who was, like, one of the most ferocious guys that ever fought in boxing.
对。
Mhmm.
他简直就是那种典型的岛屿战士形象。
And it just just built, like, like, a your prototypical island warrior guy.
是的。
Yeah.
对，那就是大卫·图阿。
Just a that's David Tua.
太狠了，简直像个坦克。
Mean, just a tank.
你肯定不想跟那家伙对上。
Don't You wanna run into that guy.
我跟你说。
I'm telling you what.
对。
Yeah.
我的意思是，简直就是个怪物。
I mean, just a monster.
他能把人KO掉，他还把约翰·鲁伊斯给KO了，那场比赛很有名，第一回合，大概三十秒左右吧，太疯狂了。
He's knock people out inside he knocked out John Ruiz, like, famously in the first round in, like, something like thirty seconds or something like that was crazy.
完全不是一个级别的人啊。
Different breed, man.
左勾拳特别猛。
Crazy left hook.
对。
Yeah.
就是那种类型的选手。
That that kind of guy.
我是说，我们这儿有马克·亨特那样的，他是很有名的踢拳手，对。
I mean, we've got a bunch of Mark Hunt, who's a famous kickboxer Mhmm.
还有个家伙身材也是一样壮实。
Was another guy built like that.
对。
Yeah.
简直宽得像间谷仓一样。
Just just wide as a fucking barn.
是啊。
Yeah.
一点多余的肉都没有。
There's, like, no waste.
就跟一块砖头似的。
It's just like a brick.
活生生的人形岩石。
Of human rock.
是啊。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
我以前打橄榄球的时候，也遇到过这种人。
I again, playing rugby.
我曾经跟这种人打橄榄球，那真是最糟糕的经历。
I played rugby against guys like that, and it was the worst.
那些人可是敢坐上小得可怜的船，横渡整个大洋的狠角色。
Well, those are the dudes that had the balls to get in a little tiny boat and make it across the fucking ocean.
然后还把你打得落花流水。
And then kick your ass.
说白了，就是这样。
That's what it is, really.
你想想，只有身体特别强悍的人才能活下来。
I mean, you think about it, like, only the super robust survived.
没错。
Right.
所以这就好比大自然在剔除所有可能的弱点。
So it's like nature just weeding out any possible weakness.
只有最强壮的人才能活下来。
Only the strongest human beings made it.
这就是纯粹的自然选择。
Absolute natural selection.
这跟北美那些非裔美国人的情况挺像的。
It's similar to the African Americans that we have in North America.
毕竟，那些都是最顶尖、最强壮的那批人。
Like, those are the strongest best guys that came over here.
没错。
Right.
对吧？
Right?
所以他们都是最出色的运动员。
And that's why they're all the most incredible athletes.
是的
Yeah.
不是全部，但你懂的
Not about all, but you know what
明白。
mean.
是的
Yeah.
我懂你的意思。
I know what you're saying.
是的
Yeah.
我的意思是，比如你看冰岛那些大力士，
There's I mean, it's and also, like, when you look at, like, guys from Iceland, the strong men.
是的
Yeah.
那冰岛到底有多少大力士？
So how many strong men are from Iceland?
说白了，冰岛到底有多少维京人？
Well, how many fucking Vikings are from Iceland?
我的意思是，咱们就这么说吧。
Like, let's let's yeah.
没错。
Right.
你想想，大自然总会找到自己的出路，这还挺奇怪的。
It's weird when you think about it that, like, nature finds its way.
情况都一样。
It's the same thing.
我们总觉得自己跟动物不一样，高人一等。
It's like we think we're so different and above, like, animals and stuff.
这其实就是自然选择。
It's a natural selection.
我们只是把最强壮、最优秀的人聚集到某个地方，不管是维京人殖民冰岛，还是萨摩亚人在他们的岛上，不管什么地方都一样。
We just bring the biggest, the best, and the strongest into some area, whether that's Vikings colonizing Iceland or or the Samoans on their islands or whatever it happens to be.
于是你就觉得，嘿，这一定是个更优越的群体，因为最强壮、最优秀的人活下来了，而最弱的都淘汰了。
And you're just like, well, here's a superior population because we all the biggest, best, and strongest have made it, and all of the weakest have died off.
这难道不奇怪吗？
Isn't that weird?
你作为一个研究野生动物生物学的人，难道不觉得奇怪吗？我们总想把自己当成与众不同的存在。
Like, you as a guy who studies wildlife biology, isn't it weird that we wanna think of ourselves as being a different thing?
但实际上，我们根本不是。
Like, we are clearly not.
确实不是。
We're not.
我们甚至算不上顶端。
We're not even at the top.
这一点是人们从来都不明白的。
That's the thing that people never understand.
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在智力方面，那当然是的。
Intellectually, are, obviously.
看看我们建造的东西。
Look at what we've built.
但事实上，我们甚至都没坐在食物链的顶端。
But, like, we're not even we don't even sit at the top of the food chain.
但我们确实算是吧，毕竟如果我们想，我们能把其他所有生物都杀光。
But we kind of do because we kill everything else if we want to.
那还不是因为我们的大脑嘛。
Well, because of our brains.
对。
Yeah.
其实不光是大脑方面是这样的。
Well, not even our brains, really.
枪械都是先由其他人的智慧发明出来的。
It's other people's brains that invented guns.
这跟咱们俩根本没关系。
It's like, it has nothing to do with you and me.
确实如此。
True.
不是。
No.
不是。
No.
不是。
No.
不是。
No.
这太有意思了。
That's such interesting.
我们的大脑，或者说我们的进化优势，会传递给那些基因并不优秀的人。
It's like our brains or our evolutionary advantage, it transfers over to people that don't have good genetics.
对。
Yeah.
对吧？
Right?
比如说，就算你身体弱得像一袋垃圾， literally 一袋垃圾，但你拿把步枪照样能杀一头灰熊。
Like, because you could be built like a bag of shit, like a literal bag of shit, and you can kill a grizzly bear with a rifle.
没错。
That's right.
对。
Yep.
挺疯狂的。
Kind of nuts.
没错。
Yep.
是吧？
Right?
太疯狂了。
It's crazy.
他就那么坐在山脊上，对。
He just be sitting there on a ridge Yep.
带着瞄准镜，砰，一枪就干倒了一头1200磅的科迪亚克棕熊。
Like, with a scope and boom, and you kill a 1,200 pound Kodiak brown bear.
因为我们所有的生物能量都集中在这件事上
Because all of our biological energy goes into this thing
对。
Mhmm.
不是靠体型大或者看起来很吓人，
Instead of being physically big or intimidating or any
或者其他那些因素。
of those other things.
我们可以把学到的经验传授给别人，这是其他动物都做不到的。
We can transfer what we figured out onto other people, which is no other animals ever figured out how to do that.
不对。
Nope.
这难道不疯狂吗？
Isn't that crazy?
太不可思议了。
Wild.
是的。
Yeah.
真的特别离谱。
It's really wild.
没错。
Yep.
你要是仔细想想，假设你来自另一个星球，正在研究我们，你肯定会说：天啊。
It's when you think about it, it's like, what what if you were studying us if you were coming coming from another planet and you were studying us, you'd be like, wow.
这个物种简直太奇怪了。
This one animal is fucking weird.
对。
Yeah.
这一种，这一种在做些不一样的事。
This one this one's doing something different.
是的。
Yeah.
确实如此。
Absolutely.
但他们还是会看着我们说，哦，行吧，这肯定就是一群动物而已。
But they would still look at us and go, oh, well, they're definitely animals.
你瞧瞧它们那德行。
Like, look at them.
对，没错
Oh, yeah.
如果你从太空俯瞰地球，看看人类的所作所为，你肯定会觉得：作为地球的顶级物种，人类居然像寄生虫一样，在整个星球上殖民扩张，不断改造、操控一切。而其他所有生物，都只是在努力勉强生存而已。
If you looked at the Earth from an Earthshot, you'd look at what we've done and be like, this is the top animal, but they're parasitic and colonizing the whole planet and changing things and manipulating things, whereas all the other animals are just getting by.
对。
Yeah.
如果我们发现真的有外星访客，真的有来自其他地方的智慧生命来拜访我们，我想很多人都会想，你们怎么不来帮帮我们呢？
If we found out that there were were actual visiting aliens, that there there was actual intelligent life from somewhere else visiting us, I think there a lot of us would probably be like, why didn't you help?
是的。
Yeah.
没错。
Right.
你当时怎么不跟着说，嘿，别扯淡了。
Why didn't you come along and say, hey, cut the shit.
这让我想起，我
It it reminds me of the I
不知道。
don't know.
你看了吗
Did you watch
你看过《南方公园》吗？
did you watch South Park ever?
看过。
Yes.
有一集《南方公园》讲地球像个真人秀节目。
There was an old South Park episode where Earth was like a reality show.
看看这周谁相处得还行。
And so, like, let's see who's getting along this week.
长颈鹿和人类都在演这一出。
Giraffes, and the people are doing this.
就好像我们整个地球是宇宙里的真人秀，把一堆物种扔在一起。
And it's like it's like we're just like a reality show for the universe where you just put a bunch of species.
简直就像《老大哥》一样。
We're like a big big brother situation.
说起来，我们对自己来说确实也挺像那么回事的。
Well, we are kind of that for us.
对，完全没错。
Oh, totally.
我们现在的状况就是真人秀的本质啊。
We're we are that's what a reality show is.
我们现在的世界本身就像一档真人秀。
A reality show for us is the world.
对。
Yeah.
比如说那个林赛·格雷厄姆，你说他是死于火箭事故，还是被俄罗斯下毒害死的？
You know, Lindsey Graham, did he die in a rocket accident, or did he die was he poisoned by Russia?
咱们上推特刷一刷就知道了。
Let's tune in to Twitter and find out.
你懂我意思吧？
You know what I mean?
太对了，兄弟。
Exactly, man.
太搞笑了。
It's hilarious.
我们全神贯注地盯着全球各地同时发生的各种乱七八糟的事。
We are we are locked in on whatever the fuck is happening all over the world all at once.
社交媒体现在的一个怪癖就是，我们不断被各种新鲜事轰炸，注意力被不断分散。
And that's one of the weird things about social media now is that we're constantly being inundated with new things to occupy our attention.
确实如此。
Mhmm.
你懂吧？
You know?
而且我们现在的注意力根本没法集中，看超过五秒的东西都难。
And we have no attention span to watch anything for more than five seconds.
但与此同时，播客却兴起了。
But yet, at the same time, this is the rise of podcasts.
对。
Yeah.
而且这些内容通常比较长。
Which are long form.
没错。
Right.
是的。
Yeah.
所以很明显，并不是所有人都这样。
So it's clear that that's not really the case with everybody.
还是有不少人对真正有趣的事情感兴趣，而且能坐得住。
There's enough people that are interested in actual fascinating things and have an attention span.
说白了，咱们都容易因为一直刷手机而让脑子变迟钝。
It's just like we're all susceptible to the the brain rot that comes with just scrolling.
真的很难控制自己。我试过刻意做选择，毕竟你想想我的Instagram主页是什么样。
It's so hard not like, I've tried to make conscious decisions because, you know, you can imagine what my Instagram feed looks like.
对吧？
Right?
一个接一个全是动物，现在有一半还是AI生成的，管它呢。
It's animal after animal, half of it's AI now, whatever.
我还在努力提醒自己别去看，可还是忍不住伸手拿手机刷起来。
And I still try and make a conscious decision to not look at it, and I find myself just reaching for my phone and doing this.
确实是这样。
It's Mhmm.
我们现在已经被牢牢绑在上面了。
It's just it we're wired into it now.
对啊。
Yeah.
多巴胺蹭蹭往上涨。
Dopamine hits crazy.
而且根本谈不上有什么真正的满足感，这特别可怕，因为根本不会让人觉得开心。
And it's not even really rewarding, which is really terrifying to me because it's not something that's, like, really feels great.
而且你根本记不住看到的东西。
And you barely retain the information.
比如，就算你看的是那种教育类的视频，当时心里想着哇，太棒了，但因为内容切换得太快，你其实根本记不住多少，至少对我来说是这样。
Like, even if you watch an educational one where you're like, wow, that was amazing, you barely retain that information because it's such a quick thing until you're onto the next one, at least for me.
对。
Yeah.
确实有这方面的原因，不过我觉得我最近把算法调得挺不错的。
There's a little bit of that in there for sure, but I think I've gotten a pretty good algorithm lately.
所以最近不知道为啥，我的推荐算法特别准。
So lately, for whatever reason, my algorithm has been really excellent.
平台的算法都精准得不行，这阵子推给我的全是特别有意思的内容。
It's really dialed in to where I'm only getting, like, really fascinating things over the last couple of Yeah.
而且刷起来体验还特别好。
Oh, it's been great.
那样的感觉可好多了。
That's way better.
而且每隔一段时间，就会蹦出来一些特别脑残的内容。
And then every now and then, some retarded shit comes on.
我就快速划过去，心想得好好维护这个算法。
I just skip through it real quick, and I'm like, gotta keep this algorithm going good.
或者你给我发个关于大脚怪的人工智能视频。
Or you text me a Bigfoot AI thing.
大脚怪的谐音梗太搞笑了。
Bigfoot puns are so silly.
那些梗太烂了。
They're so bad.
它们太搞笑了。
They're so silly.
你还真给我发过那个大脚怪的视频。
You actually texted me the Bigfoot one.
嗯，是同一个博主。
Well, it was the same guy.
你当时还说是呢。
You you said yeah.
就是同一个人，我还给他回了消息。
Same guy I texted you back.
我当时就想，哥们，我不信。
I was like, I don't think so, dude.
他说，这人秘密抚养了一只大脚怪宝宝，
He's like, this guy raised a baby Bigfoot in secrecy for
长达十年。
ten years.
太烂了。
It's so bad.
真的太差了。
It's so bad.
太明显了。
It's so obvious.
就像那种劣质的AI生成的照片，跟那种模糊的宝丽来照片似的。
It's like a shitty AI photograph of, like, like, a blurry Polaroid photograph.
然后你去看评论区，居然有四百多个人在那刷，我的天呐。
And then you read the comments, and there's, like, 400 people going like, oh my god.
他们居然都觉得这事是真的，不敢相信。
I can't believe this happened.
那你肯定想说，
And you're like,
得了吧。
come on.
天哪，哥们。
Oh, dude.
我和邓肯，早些年，大概是2011年或者2012年，就是我做那部科幻剧的时候，乔·罗根总是质疑一切。对。
Duncan and I, back in the day, like, in 2012 or '11, whatever it was when I did that sci fi show, Joe Rogan questions everything Uh-huh.
我们还去跟那些大脚怪爱好者混在一起。
We went and hung out with Bigfoot people.
我们真的去猎过大脚怪。
We we actually went Bigfoot hunting.
不可能吧。
No way.
是啊，真的。
Oh, yeah.
我们确实一起玩了一阵。
We hung yeah.
我们当时跟他们待了好几天。
We were with them for a couple days.
那次体验怎么样？
How was that?
就在太平洋西北地区的林子里。
In the woods, the Pacific Northwest.
这事还挺让人难过的。
It's kinda sad.
对啊。
Yeah.
因为我一直这么说，你去寻找大脚怪的时候，是找不到黑人的。
Because the way I describe it, I always said, here's what you don't find when you go looking for Bigfoot, black people.
你找到大脚怪的概率，都比找到黑人去寻找大脚怪的概率高。
You're more likely to find Bigfoot than you are black people looking for Bigfoot.
这真是太疯狂了。
It's just such a crazy
白人。
white guy.
一群白痴白人跑到树林里对着影子发呆。
Unfuckable white guys out in the woods staring at shadows.
这就好比无中生有。
It's Like making something out of nothing.
对吧？
Right?
你看
Like, look
看那片叶子。
at that leaf.
它一定就在这儿。
It must have been here.
就是些没法说理的家伙。
It's just unfuckable guys.
这其实就是真相。
It's really what it is.
很遗憾，这确实就是真相。
It's it's unfortunately, that's really what it is.
并不是说这故事毫无根据，我觉得它确实有其来历。
It's not that there's not something to the story because I think there is something to the story.
对。
Yeah.
我觉得这是个老故事了。
I think it's an old story.
这得追溯到美洲原住民时期。
It dates all the back to Native Americans.
对吧？
Right?
嗯，不止那样。
Well, not just that.
我们之前查过，有多少个不同的名字，我记得好像有五十多个。对。
There's how many we we looked this up before, like, how many different names there are, and I think it was more than 50 Yeah.
不同的美洲原住民。
Different Native Americans.
见过这个
Seen this one
了。
already.
对。
Yeah.
看起来真不错。
That looks great.
这哥们儿个头真大。
This guy was dead big.
话说回来，你想想离那东西那么近，得多难闻啊？
By the way, you imagine sitting that close to that thing, how bad that would smell?
是啊。
Yeah.
太恶心了。
It's revolting.
我是说，这东西都死多久了，谁也不知道，这哥们儿还在那儿晃悠。
I mean, the thing's been dead for who knows how long, and this guy's just hanging out.
对。
Yeah.
我早就给你拍过照了。
I'd already take you a picture.
我看起来怎么样？
How how do I look?
顺便说一下，这个人十二年前还在你妈妈家待过。
Side fun fact, this guy was on your mom's house, like, twelve years ago.
是吗？
Was he?
对。
Yeah.
干嘛的？
For what?
他在Instagram上是个搞笑网红吗？
Is he, like, a fun guy on Instagram?
他是训狗师。
He's a dog trainer.
这太搞笑了。
That's hilarious.
什么？
What?
Tom很久以前就看过他的视频了，还邀请他来做了一期播客。
They've Tom found his videos a long time ago, they brought him in to do a podcast with him.
真的假的？
And I just No way.
你知道这人是谁吗？
Know who this guy is.
不可能吧。
No way.
我也不清楚为什么
I don't know why
我迷上大脚怪了。
I got into Bigfoot.
他的身材居然跟大脚怪一模一样。
He has Bigfoot's body.
所以
So
我觉得有两个。
I think two of them.
看起来挺糟的。
Bad that looks.
它是
It's
太扯了吧，兄弟。
so bad, dude.
我的天呐。
Oh my god.
快看看这些。
Look at these.
再看看那个。
Look at that.
哦，看看那笑容。
Oh, look at that smile.
我的意思是，他确实是这样。
I mean, I he's yeah.
他可能就是一个纯粹的讽刺角色
He could be just a full on satirical
像个网络喷子一样
troll with
哦，他正在锯这个东西呢。
Oh, he's he's sawing into it.
对啊。
Yeah.
再看看这个。
Look at this.
居然是个蛋糕。
It's a cake.
我本来想说这是个蛋糕。
It's gonna I was gonna be like cake.
天哪。
Oh my god.
他切开它了。
He sawed into it.
打开看看，汤姆。
Open it up, Tom.
哦，他找到了一只脚。
Oh, he found a foot.
哦，对。
Oh, yeah.
特别逼真
Very real
的一只脚。
looking foot.
而且，如果你连一个光着上身、穿着工装裤的人都不信，那你还信谁呢？
That's really Also, if you can't trust a guy in overalls with no shirt, who can you trust?
顺便说一句，这人年纪不小，身材却保持得真不错。
By the way, guy's in great shape for his age.
确实如此。
He is.
身材练得真结实。
Looks looks ripped.
他每天都在外面搬着假的大脚印到处走。
He's out there lifting up fake big foots all day.
那些石头可真沉。
Sicks are heavy.
我觉得吧，我们都知道巨猿是真实存在的，但前几天我们读到一些资料，说巨猿其实并不是两足行走的，关于这一点学界还有争议。
I think there was I mean, obviously, we know that Gigantopithecus was real, but we were reading about this the other day that it seems like Gigantopithecus wasn't bipedal and that there there was some dispute as to whether or not it was bipedal.
不过，好像有些生物学家并不这么认为。
But, apparently, there's some biologists that are saying, no.
它走路的姿态应该和猩猩差不多，靠四肢行动。
It was most likely walked around like an orangutan.
有点意思。
Interesting.
我的天，这也太离谱了。
Just just oh, wow.
就是个长得特别大的红毛猩猩那样的生物。
Just a huge orangutan looking thing.
不对。
No.
我，我听说过这个说法。
I I've heard of it.
不过我之前都不知道它原来不是两足行走的。
I didn't know that it wasn't bipedal, though.
这也太有意思了。
That's fascinating.
我觉得这还存在争议。
I think it's under dispute.
我觉得这早就被质疑过了。
I think I think it's been disputed.
这挺有意思的。
That's interesting.
很难说得准。
It's hard to say.
他们的骨骼留下来的不多。
They don't have a lot of bones.
对吧？
Right?
就只剩几块颌骨和一些零碎东西。
They only have, like, a few jaw bones and some stuff.
就这些了。
Of them.
对。
Yeah.
哥们儿，我上周学到了个挺有意思的事儿。
Dude, I learned something pretty interesting this last week.
我刚从印度回来。
So I I just got back from India.
我直接从印度飞过来，我们跟Ventara一起做了一些大象救援工作，那是一家很大的印度野生动物救援机构。
Literally flew in here from India, and we were doing some elephant rescues with Ventara, that big Indian wildlife rescue place.
我们之前去救援过一头被车撞的大象，当时它的一条腿伤得特别严重。
This elephant got hit by a car that we went and rescued, so its leg was all jacked up.
刚才说到不是两足行走的动物，这不就正好提到了嘛。
Speaking of non bipedal things.
那按说大象走路会一瘸一拐的才对。
So you would think just the elephant would walk with a limp.
不过还好它有那条长鼻子，真的太厉害了。
Well, having that trunk, it's incredible.
它们会把象鼻当腿用。
They use that trunk as a limb.
我一直在看那只大象走路。
So I was watching this elephant walk.
真希望我有照片或视频给你看，但我亲眼看着那只大象走路，它完全不敢把重量压在被车撞伤的那条腿上。
I wish I had photos or video to show you, but I was watching this elephant walk, and it wouldn't put weight on its leg that was hit by the car.
于是它用三条腿加一根象鼻，一共当四条腿来走。
So it would walk with three legs and its trunk as its fourth appendage.
天啊，太惊人了。
Oh, wow.
这景象真是令人叹为观止。
Which is an amazing thing to see.
你想想，大象的头颅那么大，脑袋那么重。
Because you think of the size of an elephant's cranium and its head and the weight.
为了把体重从那条断腿上移开，它居然把象鼻当成了支撑腿来用。
And in order to move that distribution off of that broken leg, it was using this trunk as a limb.
真的特别让人惊叹。
It was just it was incredible.
虽然挺让人难过的，但看到它们想办法用那根‘第五肢’来活动，真的很不可思议。
It was really sad, but it was incredible thing to see the way they sort of figured out how to maneuver using that fifth appendage.
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大象会让人帮它摆正腿吗？
Does the elephant allow people to set its leg?
所以在印度，当时
So in in India Was
坏了吗？
it broken?
我不清楚。
I don't know.
后来我们就去了一个叫Ventara的地方，那是全球最大的野生动物救援和康复中心。
It went so we went to basically, so I work with this place called Ventara, which is the world's largest wildlife rescue and rehab center.
简直太不可思议了，兄弟。
It's unreal, dude.
这事儿绝对让你大开眼界。
It would blow your mind.
我的意思是，完全不是一个档次，而且全是由印度亿万富翁阿南特·安巴尼私人出资的，就是那个办了超级豪华婚礼的 guy，你还记得吧， Bieber 还去他婚礼上唱歌呢。
I mean, like, on a whole another level, all privately funded by Anat Ambani, this Indian billionaire guy, the guy who had the huge wedding, if you remember that, Bieber singing his wedding and stuff.
他这个人特别棒。
He's a great dude.
现在我和他挺熟的。
Him and I are buddies now.
所以他资助了这个全球最大的野生动物救援和康复中心。
But so he's funded this world's largest wildlife rescue and rehab.
那规模，简直让圣地亚哥动物园看起来像个路边小景点。
It, like, it makes the San Diego zoo look like a roadside attraction.
我是说，那地方大得离谱。
I mean, it's, like, crazy big.
所以他负责所有的救援工作。
And so he does all these rescues.
对吧？
Right?
所以我跟你们说这些，是因为他们会去执行救援任务，然后把动物送到他们建的那个全球最大、规模最惊人的动物医院里。
So the reason I'm telling you all this is they go and respond to these rescues and then take it into this gigantic world's biggest animal hospital that they've built.
所以我们去救了那头大象，到现在应该已经回到Ventara了。
So we went and rescued the elephant and now it's probably by today back in Ventara.
是的。
Yeah.
给你。
Here you go.
他们会给它进行治疗。
And and they'll be treating it.
这是朗托伊。
So this is Long Toy.
这是另一个。
This is the other one.
我们做了两次救援。
We did two rescues.
这只小象出生时腿是外翻的，后来又被拉去伐木了。
This one was born with, splay legs and then went into logging.
所以伐木时的重量全都压在它身上，你看前面那两条腿，就是外翻的。
And so all the weight and stuff from logging see see the splay legs on the front there?
太疼了。
Ouch.
对。
Yeah.
总之，那真的让人难以置信。
So, anyway, that was just incredible.
简单来说，他们确实允许人们给大象治疗，因为这些大象是由一种叫作‘象夫’的人从小在圈养环境中养大的。
But the short answer is they do let people treat them because these animals are raised by in captivity by what's called mahutes, which are elephant riders.
哦。
Oh.
而且它们的整个生存状态真的特别有意思。
And it's a really the whole dynamic's really fascinating.
在印度的文化里，象夫是从小跟着大象一起长大的。
So you grow up with an elephant as a mahute in Indian culture.
通常还会有一到两名驯象师，一辈子都专门照顾这一头大象。
And then there's usually one or two mahutes that spend their life dedicated to the elephant.
他们平时的工作就是骑在象背上，指挥大象伐木，把大象当工具使唤，但心里还是非常疼爱这些大象的。
And all they do is ride them, log them, they use them as tools, but they still love them very much.
问题就在于他们把大象当工具使。
It's just they use them as a tool.
大象本来就不适合干这种活儿，所以时间久了身体就会垮掉。
Elephants obviously aren't made to do that, so they break down over time.
所以它的腿才变成那样了吗？
So that's why its legs are like that?
是因为要扛住伐木带来的重量吗？
It's carrying the amount of weight that comes from logging?
所以那只大象应该是天生就有畸形。
So that one would have been born with a deformity.
哦，原来是这样。
Oh, okay.
不过后来它的体重和其他因素导致它的腿变成了那样。
But then yours of compounded weight and everything else makes its legs like that.
哦。
Oh.
这简直太疯狂了。
And it's crazy.
然后呢，确实如此。
And then yeah.
所以我们把大象和象夫一起接回来，送到文塔拉，给象夫们提供全职工作。
So we go and we take the elephants in plus the mahouts and take them all back to Ventara, give the mahouts a full time job.
这些人现在睡在地板上的床垫上，对吧？等我们把他们接回去，这整个过程可不简单。
These guys are sleeping on mattresses on the floor, right, and then take them back and it's a whole thing.
彻底改变所有人的情况。
Reform everybody.
这真是令人惊叹。
It's amazing thing.
是的。
Yeah.
天啊。
Oh, wow.
那他们照顾大象的时候，比如大象腿断了，会怎么处理？
So when they treat the elephants, like, what what do they do for an elephant that has a broken leg?
大部分情况都是控制疼痛。
So most of it's just pain management.
对吧？
Right?
毕竟能做的有限。
Because you can only get so far.
那个受伤的大象，你们能
So the one that got Can you
给它打石膏吗？
set them in a cast?
不太行。
Not really.
不行。
No.
这得看骨折的具体情况吧。
You know, it depend I guess it depends on the fracture.
我不是兽医，不过我想还是得看骨折的类型。
I'm not a vet, but I guess it depends on the fracture.
他们通常会用一个办法，Jamie，你可能见过。
But what they do is they have and, Jamie, you might be able to see it.
简直不可思议。
It's incredible.
他们有个超大的按摩浴缸。
They have this giant jacuzzi.
想象一下，一个跟这栋楼一样大的浴缸，专门给大象做水疗用的。
Like, imagine a jacuzzi the size of your building here for elephants, and it's their hydrotherapy pool.
那些关节炎严重、脚掌受损或者腿有问题的象，整天泡在水里，这样四肢就不用承重了。
So these animals that have terrible arthritis or fucked up feet or bad legs like that, they just spend all day in the water because then there's no weight on their limbs
天啊，真厉害。
Oh, wow.
这真的太酷了。
Which is really cool.
他们会给大象用消炎药之类的药吗？
Do they have medication, like, anti inflammatories for elephants?
什么药都有，哥们。
Everything, man.
这地方用的药简直不可思议，都是东方的
This place uses unbelievable Eastern
西医，还有这家疯狂的医院。
medicine, Western medicine, this crazy hospital.
可惜现在有很多人在Instagram上瞎聊。
There's a lot of guys talking on their Instagram, unfortunately.
不过确实是这样。
But yeah.
这只装了假肢。
This one's got a prosthetic leg.
哇。
Woah.
对。
Yeah.
你看那个。
Look at that.
是不是太疯狂了？
Isn't that crazy?
所以他们还做出了特别厉害的修复装置。
So they do these amazing mine.
我去，这也太夸张了。
Oh, fuck, man.
但没错，那个地方真的超级棒，我们还能在那里做不少有意思的事
But, yeah, it's a really, really cool place, and we get to do some fun stuff.
所以能参与那些大象救援工作，我觉得特别荣幸
So I was I was really privileged to be part of those elephant rescues.
当你看到大象这样充满智慧的动物，它直视着你的眼睛，仿佛在说‘我好痛苦’，而你开始帮它缓解痛苦时，那种感觉真的非常触动人心。
It's really emotional when you see an animal like an elephant that has so much, like, intelligence look you in the eye and be like, I'm in so much pain, and then you, like, start to relieve it.
真的很酷。
It's cool.
几年前我去泰国参观过一个有野生大象的地方。
I went to visit this place in Thailand a few years back that has wild elephants.
对。
Mhmm.
所以它们是野生大象，但你可以骑它们。
So they're wild elephants, but you you can ride them.
而且你可以喂它们，你得先跟它们混熟，建立友谊。
And that you feed them so you make you have you'll make friends with them first.
对。
Yeah.
比如，喂它们甘蔗。
Like, feed them sugar cane.
跟它们待在一起。
You hang out with them.
摸摸它们。
You pet them.
对。
Yep.
然后它们就让你骑。
And then they let you ride them.
对。
Yeah.
然后它们会把胳膊伸出来。
And they put their arm out.
就像是在说，来吧。
Like, they're like, go ahead.
是的。
Yeah.
走过去踩上去。
To walk up to step on.
对。
Mhmm.
去吧。
Go ahead.
是的。
Yeah.
所以它是在告诉你，行了。
So it lets you know, like, okay.
对。
Yeah.
我不太喜欢骑上去那部分。
I didn't like the riding part.
我觉得那样做不对。
It felt wrong to me.
就是，大家都觉得这是游客必做的事，但我家人特别想体验一下。
It's just, like, it's a thing that, like, all the tourists did, but my family wanted to do it.
所以我就说，行吧。
So I said, okay.
对。
Yeah.
不过也没关系。
But it's okay.
但那些动物本身特别可爱。
But the animals themselves are so sweet.
对。
Yeah.
跟它们待在一起的时候，感觉它们特别亲近，我都拍了段视频发在Instagram上了。
They're like, when you're hanging around with them, they're, like, they're so one of them I I got a video of it on my Instagram.
当时它就在啃木头。
She was just, like, eating a log.
是的
Yeah.
她一直啃着那根木头，我就在旁边陪着她。
She kept chewing on this log, and I'm just hanging out with her.
我还拍了个视频，里面是我自己。
And I made this, like, video with me.
我说，你看，她在吃木头。
I'm like, she's eating a log.
我不明白她为啥要吃这根木头，
I don't know why she's eating this log,
但她们真的很温柔。
but They're so she's
真的很温柔。
really sweet.
不过他们之间的互动挺特别的，旅行结束还得给他们洗澡。
But it wasn't it was it was a weird it's a weird relationship that they have, and then you wash them at the end of the trip.
对。
Yeah.
然后它们会进到那个池子里，就是个大池塘。
So you get them in the they get in this pool, this big pond.
没错。
Yep.
你可以直接给它们洗澡，顺便陪陪它们。
And you could just wash them and hang out with them.
而且它们会养成那种习惯。
And they'll grow that you do that.
对。
Yeah.
所以它们觉得挺舒服的，心里好像在说谢谢。
So it feels good to them, and they're like, thank you.
而且它们
And they're
呃，其实也不是。
like, well, no.
谢谢你一直带着我。
Thank you for carrying me.
有好的一面，也有不好的一面。
There's good and bads.
我的意思是，历史上大象一直被用于战争、伐木、马戏团，各种用途。
Like, I mean, elephants have been used through history, right, in war, in logging, in circuses, everything else.
但最近二十年，我们才终于开始意识到，等等。
But now, I would say in the last twenty years, we're finally sort of waking up to, hey.
一辈子被人骑在背上，能明显看到它们的骨骼变形、褥疮，还有髋关节的问题。
A lifetime of being on an elephant's back, like, can see the deformities, you can see the bedsores, you can see the hip displays or hip issues.
是因为驮人造成的吗？
Oh, from carrying people?
对。
Yeah.
它们只是
They're just
用来载人吗？
carrying people?
它们的身体结构本来就不适合这样做。
They're just not designed for it.
你懂的。
You know?
你看着它们，觉得它们很大，然后你就会想，我们站在它们背上，就像蚂蚁一样小。
They look you think they are when you look at them, and you're like, what could've you know, we're like an ant on that thing's back.
但这其实对它们来说挺受罪的。
But it it's pretty hard on them.
最难受的其实不是有人骑在它们背上。
And the hardest part is actually not you or I or anybody riding them.
而是它们在混凝土上走路。
It's walking on concrete.
因为大象的脚掌是那种软软的、带肉垫的。
Because elephants have these soft padded feet.
它们的脚并不是为了在坚硬如石的地面上行走而设计的。
They're not designed for rock hard ground.
所以走在柏油路上，冲击力加上它们本身的体重，这才是最伤它们的。
So the impact of walking on pavement is actually that compounding with weight added weight, that's what's actually so bad for
而且沥青路面还会发热。
heat of the comp the asphalt too.
还有狗，比如狗，对。
And there dogs, like, dogs Yeah.
它们讨厌沥青路面的高温。
Hate the heat of asphalt.
这对它们来说太糟糕了。
It's horrible for them.
大象脚最奇怪的地方在于，如果你观察它们的解剖结构，它们是少数用脚趾走路的动物之一。
And the weirdest thing about an elephant foot, if you look at its anatomy, they're one of the few animals that walk on their toes.
所以它们的脚趾不像我们这样分开的。
So they don't have toes splitting out like we do.
它们是踩在脚趾上面走路的。
They walk on top of their toes.
你可以想象一下，再加上热量和体重的叠加效应。
So that you know, imagine that compounding on heat plus weight.
我刚刚近距离看了一圈，脚趾部分。
I just I got a good close-up, I guess, toes.
真奇怪。
Weird.
这动物挺古怪的。
It's a weird animal.
是啊。
Yeah.
它们挺酷的。
They're cool.
他们发现那个头骨的时候，以为是独眼巨人的，这想法是不是很酷？
Isn't it cool that they thought that that's what a cyclops was when they found the skull?
因为那个头骨。
Because the skull.
对。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
这就是为什么他们以为独眼巨人真的存在。
That's why they thought cyclops were a real thing.
哥们，你去过纽约的探险家俱乐部吗？
Dude, have you ever seen have you ever been to the Explorers Club in New York City?
没去过。
No.
那地方值得去一趟。
That's worth a visit.
你肯定会喜欢那里的
You would love it.
那里还展出过查姆帕瓦特的食人虎，就是那种最有名的食人虎
They have the Champawat tiger there, like, the most famous man eating tigers.
哦，那个……
Oh, that's
就是那个造成476人死亡的地方吗？
the one that killed, four hundred and seventy six people?
对。
Yep.
对。
Yep.
那个数字是什么意思？
Is that what the number?
反正就是特别疯狂之类的。
Something something crazily.
我YouTube上确实收藏了这个视频，但我忘了它叫什么名字了。
I actually have it on my YouTube, and I don't remember the name.
那个数字超过了
It's more than
四百多个人呢。
400 people.
对吧？
Right?
真的
It's
太疯狂了。
crazy.
然后吉姆·科比特就去把它射杀了。
And then Jim Corbett went and shot it.
对。
Right.
对。
Yeah.
我特别喜欢那个故事，差点就给我儿子取名叫柯比特。
And he almost named my son Corbett because I love that story so much.
不过纽约探险家俱乐部里收藏着唯一一对长有四个象牙的大象。
But but they have the only four tusked elephant at the Explorers Club in New York City.
哇。
Woah.
杰米，我相信你肯定能找到那个头骨的照片。
I'm sure, Jamie, you could find a picture of the skull.
没人知道到底是为什么。
Nobody knows why.
这完全是个反常的极端案例。
Total anomaly.
之前从来没人遇见过这种情况。
Nobody's ever seen it.
没人知道为什么。
Nobody knows why.
我觉得这可能是世界上唯一的例子，
I think it's the only one in existence,
而且它真的长了四根象牙。
and it literally has four tusks coming out of it.
这是基因上的一种异常吗？
Just a weird genetic thing?
我觉得是。
I think so.
就像我们之前见过的那条腿外翻的。
Like that splay legged one we look like.
我觉得太多了。
Think it's too many.
麋鹿小时候要是受过伤，长出来的角就会变得很奇怪。
With elk, they'll get an injury when they're young, and then they'll get weird deformities of their their antlers.
不过麋鹿的情况是不是不一样？它们每年都会脱角，之后新长出来的角才会畸形？
But is that different because they shed their antlers every year so they grow back in weird ways?
我也不确定
I don't
这个问题问得好。
That's a good question.
我也不清楚。
I don't know.
我觉得是头骨受了伤。
I think it's an injury to the the skull.
对。
Yeah.
就是鹿角生长的那个部位受了伤。
So an injury to, like, the area where the antler is.
有时候它们可能只长出一支角。
Like, sometimes they'll just have one sword.
对。
Yeah.
加州有个牧场出过这么一件事，有头麋鹿长角的方式和别的麋鹿不一样，它居然把所有其他麋鹿都杀死了。
Like, there was a a ranch that in California that had this one elk that was killing all the other elk because he didn't have antlers the same way.
哦，这里有个雪人颅骨标本。
Oh, they got a Yeti skull.
杰米，你是在哪找到这个的？
Where'd you find that, Jamie?
那是那里可以看到的11个有趣事物之一。
It's one of the 11 big interesting things you can see there.
哦，是《探险家之书》吗？
Oh, the explorers book?
就是那本《探险家之书》。
The explorers book.
哦，挺有意思的。
Oh, interesting.
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