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乔·罗根的播客。
Joe Rogan podcast.
去看看吧。
Check it out.
《乔·罗根体验》这档节目。
The Joe Rogan experience.
白天训练。
Train my day.
白天听乔·罗根的播客，晚上也听，整天都在听。
Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.
丹尼。
Danny.
嘿，乔。
Hey, Joe.
兄弟，见到你真好。
Good to you, brother.
很高兴再次见到你，兄弟。
Good to see you again, man.
你一上来就递给我这本史密森尼的小册子。
So right off the bat, you hand me this Smithsonian pamphlet.
它……
It...
就像一本关于秘鲁长头骨的小书，里面还有图解什么的。
It's like a very small book on Peruvian elongated skulls, including, like, diagrams.
不是秘鲁的。
Not Peruvian.
这些来自太平洋西北地区。
These are from the Pacific Northwest.
哦。
Oh.
来自华盛顿……
From wash...
这正是我想跟你好好聊聊的事情之一。
This is one of the things where I wanted to really bring up to you.
有记载以来，大多数长头骨都来自华盛顿州。
The majority of the elongated skulls in recorded history are from Washington State.
哇。
Wow.
那这些头骨是人为变形的吗？
Now are these manipulated skulls?
是的，先生。
Yes, sir.
它们是……
They was...
是被人为改变的。
Were manipulated by people.
事实上，当刘易斯和克拉克到达哥伦比亚河时，他们穿过了喀斯喀特山脉。
As a matter of fact, when Lewis and Clark reached the the Columbia River, they passed the Cascade Mountains.
喀斯喀特山脉以西的所有美洲原住民都有人为改造过的头骨。
All of the Native Americans west of the Cascades had artificially modified schools.
看看这本书的标题，《奇努克人的自由标志》。
Look at the title of the book, the Chinook sign of freedom.
如果你的头骨不是人为改造过的，那你就是
If you didn't have an artificially modified skull, you were
奴隶。
a slave.
哇。
Woah.
奇努克人的自由标……
The Chinook sign of free...
自由标志，一项关于著名酋长头骨的研究……
Sign of freedom, a study of the skulls of the famous chief...
他的名字怎么念？
How do you say his name?
康·康纳利。
Con Connelly.
康纳利。
Connelly.
他当时是……
And he was he was...
他在刘易斯和克拉克探险期间见过他们。
He met with Lewis and Clark during the...
在探险过程中，他一百年前和萨卡加维亚一样有名，但现在却被人遗忘了。
During their expedition, and he was as famous as Sacagawea was a hundred years ago, but he's just disappeared.
他的头骨是人工拉长的。
He had an artificially elongated skull.
我有很多图片可以说明这一点。
I had a bunch of images talk about it.
他把自己的智慧归功于人工拉长的头骨。
He attributed his intellect to his artificially elongated skull.
什么？
What?
他说他……
That he...
他们相信怎么
They believed How
你怎么会知道，
would you know,
不过？
though?
他们不知道。
They don't.
他们是在你婴儿时期做的。
They did it when you were a baby.
没错。
Exactly.
但他们……
But they...
那就是他们所有人都相信的。
That's what they all believed.
而且这确实有点道理。
And there is actually something to this.
这是其中一件……
This is one of the things that...
我偶然发现的一件非常有趣的事情是，尼安德特人，如果你看看尼安德特人的脑壳和人类的脑壳之间的差异，那差别可大了。
That's really interesting that I've stumbled on is, you know, Neanderthal, if you look at the difference between a Neanderthal brain case and a human brain case, there's a huge difference.
比如，我有一张图片，如果你不介意的话，JB。
Like, I I have an image if you don't mind, JB.
你可以把它放上去，如果你不在乎的话。
You can throw it up there if you don't care.
但差别全在后面。
But it's all in the back.
有一种叫第一型小脑扁桃体下疝的病症，就是小脑底部掉进脊髓里，会引起偏头痛和各种问题。
It's like there's a thing called Chiari malformation type one where the base of your cerebellum falls into your spinal cord and it causes migraines and all kinds of stuff.
现在科学家说这可能是从我们和尼安德特人那里遗传来的。
And scientists now are saying that it probably came from us and Neanderthal.
脑壳和头骨不太匹配。
Brain case, skull not quite fitting.
如果你想想
And if you think
这件事，其实挺有
about it, it actually makes a
道理的。
lot of sense.
我是说，尼安德特人的头骨后面特别宽，而那里正好是控制运动、嗅觉、视觉和听觉的区域。
I mean, the Neanderthal skull's way wide in the back, and that's where all of your your motor skills, your smelling, your seeing, your hearing.
他们更原始一些。
They were more primitive.
他们可能是超级运动员。
They're probably super athletes.
而且真正的……
And the the real...
奇怪的问题是，他们聪明吗？有多聪明？
The weird question is, like, were they smart, and how smart were they?
比如，他们的额叶没有我们的大。
Like, their frontal lobe is not as big as ours.
对吧？
Correct?
对。
Correct.
而额叶正是负责思维处理和决策的地方。
And that's where all the thought processing and decision making comes from.
所以他们可能拥有惊人的运动能力。
So they probably had insane athletic ability.
哦，对。
Oh, yeah.
绝对的……
Absolute...
还有运动能力和视觉能力。
And and motor skills and visual ability.
视觉能力很重要，你看看他们眼窝的大小。
Visual ability is important because look at the size of their eye sockets.
现在想象一下，如果你想要两全其美，你把这两个物种杂交在一起。
Now imagine if you wanted the best of both worlds, so you were you were breeding these two species together.
看看那家伙的下巴。
Look at the jaw on that motherfucker.
想象一下想把他打晕。
Imagine trying to knock that guy out.
靠。
Fuck.
祝你好运。
Good luck.
确实如此。
About it.
不过他们的胸肌也像木桶一样厚实。
Although they had chests like barrels too.
感觉他们天生就长你这样。
It's like they they all look like you do naturally.
他们根本不用去健身。
They don't have to lift.
他们天生就是那样。
They just they just that way.
哦，他们可能看起来比我壮多了。
Oh, they probably look a lot more impressive than me.
嗯，左边那个家伙，他天生就长得像我。
Well, the guy on the left, he looked he looked like me naturally.
他，我是说，确实
He's I mean, do
你还记得那个……
you remember that one...
我觉得那纯属胡说八道。
I think it's just nonsense.
但有个人提出过一种观点，说尼安德特人长得像大猩猩，是超级掠食者。
But there's this one guy who proposed the idea of Neanderthals being, like, gorilla looking, like super predators.
他还觉得他们的眼睛更大，所以能在夜里看清东西。
And and he thought that the eyes were bigger so they could see at night.
他还有那种特别疯狂的……
And he had, like, this crazy
那简直是要把我们全吃了。
It was very eating us all.
对。
Yes.
完全是那种耸人听闻的胡说八道。
Very sensationalist nonsense.
而基因证据才是关键……
And the genetic evidence is what...
你知道吗？
You know?
就是那个人。
That guy.
对。
Yes.
它
It
不过那玩意儿真是绝了。
was fucking dope, though.
这个想法我就是特别喜欢。
It is idea that just love it.
看到那个黑暗的，你知道，就像住在森林里的灵长类动物，而且比我们强壮得多的那种。
Seeing the dark, you know, like, primate that lives in the woods and was, like, infinitely stronger than us.
就像，直接能把我们的胳膊撕下来。
Like, you just rip our arms.
就像，大猩猩那么强壮。
Like, gorilla strong.
而且……
And...
但是，但是不够聪明，以至于你可以，比如，嘿，老兄。
But but not smart enough that you could, like, hey, man.
你能不能？
Could you please?
不。
No.
不。
No.
不。
No.
我只是
I'm just
会把你吃掉。
gonna eat you.
奇怪的是，它的头骨容量比我们大。
Oddly enough, has a skull that has a larger capacity than us.
所以我们就得想想，好吧。
And so then we have to think, okay.
只是运动技能的问题吗？
Is it just motor skills?
比如，我们是不是……
Like, do we...
我们对海豚的大脑了解多少？
What do we know about the brains of dolphins?
我们知道他们的大脑容量要大得多。
Well, we know that their their brain capacity is quite a bit larger.
比如，他们的……
Like, their...
我觉得他们的核心……
I think their core...
他们的大脑皮层，我觉得比人的要大40%左右。
Their their cerebral cortex, think, is, like, 40% larger than a person's.
差不多是这样。
Something like that.
真是不可思议。
Crazy like that.
那这到底是怎么回事？
So what is that?
他们到底是怎么了？
Like, what's going on with them?
比如说，怎么……
Like, how...
它们比我们聪明这么多，但就是没法改变环境，所以我们就不当回事？
Are they so much more intelligent than us, but they just can't manipulate their environment so we ignore it?
嗯，那……
Well, that
有可能……
could be...
也可能跟化学条件有关，它们没法……
It also could be a degree of chemistry that they can't...
你知道，我的意思是，在水下你根本没法生火，所以科技发展就受限了。
You know, I mean, you can't do fire underwater, really, so you're kind of stuck with your technological stuff.
它们没法改造环境。
There's no manipulation.
所以它们的智慧全都用在别的方面了。
So all of their intellect must go into other areas.
社交和捕猎，还有
Social and hunting and
但后来你会发现它们对彼此有多残忍。
But then you find out how horrible they are to each other.
你懂我的意思吗？
You know what I mean?
比如杀婴行为，你知道，海豚，雌性海豚非常滥交。
Like, the infanticide, you know, like, dolphins, female dolphins are very promiscuous.
它们滥交的原因是，如果雄性不确定幼崽是不是自己的，如果它觉得可能是自己的，它就不会杀掉幼崽。
And the reason why they're promiscuous is because if the male doesn't know if the cubs are his or not, if he thinks they might be his, he's not gonna kill the cubs.
但如果雌性有了幼崽，雄性会杀掉幼崽，这样雌性就会再次繁殖。
But if a female has cubs, the male will kill the cubs so the female will breed again.
就像，嘿。
It's like, hey.
我还以为你们是那种超级和平、聪明得要命的家伙呢。
I thought you guys were, like, the super peaceful fucking smart ones.
听起来有点像我们人类。
Sounds like sounds like kinda like us.
嗯，我是说
Well, I mean
我认识的男人里，没几个会为了繁衍而杀婴儿的。
I don't know a lot of guys who are killing babies so that the women will breed.
没有。
No.
但确实有点接近。
I I But it gets close.
黑猩猩会这样吗？
Chimpanzees do it?
它们会这么做吗？
Do they do that?
它们会做这种事。
They do that kind of stuff.
不是。
No.
熊会那样做。
Bears do that.
就是，就是……
It's it's
熊会做两件事，它们会想。
Bears do two things, they think.
它们想，第一，吃幼崽是为了让母熊再次发情繁殖，但第二，它们觉得那只是为了食物。
They think, one, they eat cubs to force the female into breeding again, but two, they think they just do it for food.
就是……
It's just
黑暗。
dark.
那真是……
That's that's...
那真是……
That's...
蜘蛛纲级别的黑暗。
Arachnid levels are dark.
同类相食才是黑暗。
Cannibalism is dark.
一直都是。
Always.
而且熊都是同类相食的。
And bears are all cannibals.
这就是关于人和拟人化的关键……
And this is the thing about people and the amperfomorph...
拟人化。
Amperfomorphification.
是这个词吗？
Is that the word?
你怎么说这个词？
How do you it?
拟人化。
Anthropomorphification.
我总是……
I always...
我想说“pro”，但其实是“po”。
I wanna I wanna say pro, but it's po.
拟人？
Anthropomorph?
拟人。
Anthropomorph.
我觉得你说得对。
I think you're right.
不管它是什么。
Whatever it is.
人们把动物拟人化。
People humanizing animals.
我觉得最奇怪的是熊。
The weirdest one, I think, is bears.
而且，你可以训练熊。
And, like, you can train bears.
马戏团里有熊。
There's bears at the circus.
你……
You...
它们是一种有趣的动物。
Like, they're an interesting animal.
但在野外，它们是最残忍、最无情的生物之一。
But in the wild, they are some of the fucking most brutal and ruthless creatures.
它们是……
They're...
基本上就像一只巨大的野狗。
It's basically almost like a giant wild dog.
你知道吗？
You know?
它们会把东西撕碎，还会活生生地吃掉猎物。
And they tear things apart, and they eat things while they're still alive.
它们简直是——
Like, they're fucking
它们不在乎。
They don't care.
它们根本不在乎。
They don't care.
它们太可怕了。
They're fucking horrible.
它们对同类也很残忍。
They're horrible to each other.
它们会钻进洞穴里，把幼崽拖出来吃掉。
They go into dens and pull out cubs and eat them.
我是说，对。
Mean, I Yeah.
只是不同的……
Just diff...
可以说是不同的道德观，或者说是没有道德观。
Different set of morality, I guess you could say or lack thereof.
不过，是的，我很庆幸自己不是熊，因为要是我，可能小时候就被吃掉了。
But, yeah, I'm glad I'm not a bear because I'd probably have been eaten as a cub.
或者你可能会被车撞到。
Or you would've been hit by a car.
或者我可能会被车撞到。
Or I'd have been hit by a car.
那也挺惨的。
That's the rough one.
或者被陷阱抓住，训练成跳舞的芭蕾熊什么的，站在球上。
Or caught in a trap and trained to be a dancing ballerina bear or some shit, stand on a ball.
不过，古代人类对我来说就像是……
The the the ancient humans, though, to me are like...
我觉得这是一个……
I feel like this is a...
这是一个……
This is a...
一个新兴的话题。
An emerging topic.
尽管我们早就知道尼安德特人，但现在他们知道了丹尼索瓦人，知道了弗洛勒斯人……
Even though we've known about Neanderthals for so long, now that they know about Denisovans, now that they know about homo florean...
那个怎么念？
How do you say that?
弗洛勒斯人？
Floriancesis?
我就是那个发音。
I'm That one Pronunciation of
弗洛勒斯岛，就是那个霍比特人。
Island Of Flores, man, the the hobbit people.
现在他们知道了。
Now they they know.
好。
Okay.
我们有两种非常不同的人类，和智人一起生活过，但不是智人。
We've got two very distinct human beings that lived with humans that aren't Homo sapiens.
丹尼索瓦人那个真的超级奇怪。
And the Denisovans one is fucking super weird.
他们很大。
They're big.
他们很大。
They're big.
他们比我们高。
They were taller than us.
而且头更大，几乎就像尼安德特人那样。
And the bigger heads, like, very almost like Neanderthal talk.
有……
There's...
我准备的一些内容，关于……
Some of the stuff that I got for...
要讲的是多指症，就是有多余的手指和……
To talk about here is like polydactyly, multiple fingers and...
每只手或脚上超过五个手指或脚趾。
More than five fingers and toes on each other.
这在《圣经》里有提到。
That's in the Bible.
他们提到巨人……
They talk about the giant...
好的。
Okay.
多指症，如果有一个基因，基因我……
Polydactyly, if there's a gene, g I...
你能把那个标题是多指症论文的页面调出来吗？
Could you pull up the one that says polydactyly paper, please?
谢谢。
Thank you.
就是……
It's...
他们……
They...
他们一直在研究这个，而且有一个尼安德特人和丹尼索瓦人拥有的基因……
They've been studying this, and there's a gene that Neanderthal and Denisovans had that...
有一个变体会增加多指症的发生概率。
A variant that increases polydactyly.
它还会增加颅骨畸形的风险。
It increases cranial deformations.
它还会引发很多其他问题。
It increases a bunch of stuff.
这是……
This is...
我是说，他们……
I mean, they...
而且这是……
And this is...
这些都是比较新的发现。
And this is all newer stuff.
你看，那是2023年的。
You see, that's 2023.
而且还有……
And there's...
这太厉害了。
This is huge.
我
I
我看过你关于这个的视频，你提到巴西有一个家庭，他们……
saw your video on this where you talked about there's one family in Brazil that has...
他们家大部分成员都有六根手指和六根脚趾。
Like, most of their family members have six fingers and six toes.
而且他们……
And they...
而且他们说这对他们有好处。
And they say it helps them.
当然。
Of course.
当然。
Of course.
我抓球能抓得更稳。
I can grab the ball better.
我还能多弹一根弦。
I can play an extra string.
想象一下，弹吉他的时候多一根手指。
Imagine guitar, extra finger.
那太疯狂了。
That's nuts.
我的意思是，就算你长得丑，多一根手指也能用来撩妹。
I mean, you could even be an ugly dude and and seduce a woman when you got an extra finger.
祝你好运。
Good luck.
女人才不想跟一个长了六根手指的家伙生孩子呢。
Chicks don't wanna have kids with a guy who has fucking six fingers.
我就像个怪胎小孩。
I'm some freak kid.
那个那个那个……
The the the...
在南美洲，他们其实很尊重那些东西。
In South America, they actually honored that stuff.
当然。
Of course.
他们尊重基因畸形。
They honored they honored genetic deformations.
我真的相信他们在南美洲是故意把不同的血统混在一起繁殖的。
I honestly believe that they were actively breeding different bloodlines together in South America.
看看那个宝宝。
Look that baby.
太疯狂了。
That's crazy.
确实。
It is.
它有五根手指和一个拇指。
It's got five fingers and a thumb.
太疯狂了。
That's crazy.
我的意思是，除了有五根手指而不是四根之外，他们其他方面看起来完全正常。
I mean, the thing is they look absolutely normal in every other way except the fact that they have five fingers instead of four.
就像……
Like...
而且你得花几秒钟才能注意到。
And it would take you a few seconds.
感觉就像活在《黑客帝国》里，这就像是一个AI故障。
It's almost like you're living in the matrix, and this is like an AI glitch.
你知道，AI故障里会有那种多长了一截肢体的人。
Know, like AI glitches, they would have people that have, like, additional appendages.
对，没错。
Like Yeah.
嗯……
An...
比如胳膊肘上又长了个奇怪的胳膊肘，你知道吧，就像出了bug一样。
A weird elbow growing off your elbow, you know, because it's just glitched.
顺便说一句，那个猫走过来了。
The clat walks by the way.
哦，对。
Oh, yeah.
我……
I...
就是说，你得花点时间
Like, it would take you
才能……
a while before you...
想象一下，如果你嗑了药，去这位女士家，看到她弹钢琴，你会想，等等，不对劲。
Like, imagine if you were high and you went over this lady's house and you saw her playing piano, and you're like, wait a minute.
为什么会有这么多噪音？
Why is there so many noises?
噪音小点声。
Slow down with the noise.
你怎么会有这么多手指？
How would you have so many fingers?
天哪。
Man.
等等。
Wait a minute.
你有多余的手指？
You have extra fingers?
就像，这家伙戴了特制手套。
Like, this dude had a special gloves.
手套就在那儿。
Gloves right there.
兄弟，你肯定是个超厉害的守门员。
Bro, you must be a motherfucker of a goalie.
哦，那当然。
Oh, of course.
这是最棒的手...
It's the greatest hand...
守门员的技巧。
Skill for goalies.
但是空间很大，不过当然。
But a lot of space, but sure.
更多空间。
More space.
你把它挡住了。
You cover it up.
但我觉得更好如果
But I think better if
你可以教他们怎么出拳。
you could teach them how to punch.
你还有一根手指，手的宽度会更大，重量也会更大。
You have a whole another finger that, like, the width of the hands would be greater, the weight of the hands would be greater.
吉他手说，关键不在于多一根手指，而在于额外的伸展和触达范围，这让他们能够
The guitar players say it's not the extra finger as much as it is the extra stretch, the extra reach that lets them
多按几个品位。
pop a couple extra frets down.
有道理。
Sense.
确实有道理。
That makes sense.
尤其是手指长的话。
Especially, like, long fingers.
哦，吉他还是为五根手指的人设计的。
Oh, the guitar is still made for a five fingered player.
所以你是……
So you're...
你只是不……但你可以
You're just not But you
想办法做到。
can figure out how to do it.
六。
Six.
比如，看看亨德里克斯
Like, look what Hendrix
就是用同样的东西做到的。
just got taking the same thing.
对。
Yep.
反过来，用左手弹的。
Down, played it left handed.
我猜，迪迪·雷·沃恩，本地英雄。
I guess, DeDee Ray Vaughan, local hero.
他就像，
He's like,
把那东西转过来，然后站……
turn that thing and stand...
你看过他在埃尔马孔布拉的现场演出吗？他拿着他那把大概一万五千美元的斯特拉特吉他，站在喇叭上，来回摇着琴颈。
You've seen the live at El Macombra one where he he takes his, like, $15,000 Stratocaster, stands on the horns, he's rocking the neck back and forth.
我当时就想，哇。
I'm just like, woah.
琴弦断了。
Pops the string.
他妈的，直接拨片。
It just fucking pick.
根本不在乎。
Don't even care.
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就直接上。
Just go.
哇。
Wow.
那不是玩具。
It's not a toy.
那不是乐器。
It's not an instrument.
那是个该死的玩具。
It's a damn toy.
那是工具。
It's a tool.
对，就是这样。
It's a Yeah.
总之，我得好好夸夸那家伙。
Anyway, I gotta gush about that guy for a bit.
我喜欢史蒂维。
I like Stevie.
他挺不错的。
He's pretty good.
我们有他的海报……
We have posters of...
或者他以前在俱乐部舞台上表演时的照片，那是在我们接手之前很久的事了。
Or photos of him from when he was on stage at the club way before we owned it.
哦，真的吗？
Oh, really?
他八十年代就在那个舞台上表演过。
He was on that stage in, like, the eighties.
哦，哇。
Oh, wow.
我
I
我觉得那张照片是83年的。
think the I think the picture's from '83.
我去过Antones几次，就是去感受一下那里的氛围。
I popped into Antones a couple of times to just just just to smell the air.
Antones太棒了。
Antones is dope.
那是个好地方。
That's a great place.
我看过Gary的表演。
I've seen Gary perform.
我看过Gary Clark Junior在那里表演过几次。
Gary Clark Junior perform there a few times.
那简直太酷了。
It's fucking sick.
我还没机会在那里看过演出。
I haven't I haven't got to watch a show there.
每次我来城里，都没干好事，但我得找个晚上去那儿看场演出。
Every time I'm in town, it was up to no good, but I'm a have to catch a show there one of these nights.
我们去了，结果所有人都得了新冠。
We did it, and everybody got COVID.
整个团队，后台的每个人都得了新冠。
The whole crew, everyone backstage got COVID.
是他们的人？真的吗？
It's one of their guys Really?
演出结束后，他们有个人得了新冠。
One of their guys had COVID after the show.
那会儿正好是……
It was, like, during the whole...
全面封锁期间，他们还开了演唱会。
During the full lockdown, and they had a concert.
我当时就想，真不敢相信我们居然在演唱会现场。
I was like, I can't believe we're at a concert.
然后我们去了后台。
And then we went backstage.
我们在休息室里待着，然后
We're hanging out in the green room, and then
所有人都感染了新冠。
everybody got COVID.
靠。
Fuck.
我可不喜欢这样。
I am not a fan.
除了我。
Except me.
我没感染。
I didn't get it.
哦，那是因为你没感染。
Oh, it's because you didn't get it.
你当时……
You were...
你知道吗，这挺有意思的。
You know, it's it's funny.
就是……
It's...
我当时……
I was...
反正这件事我本来就想在节目里聊聊，所以不如现在就聊吧，就是关于新冠的事。
Something that I wanted to talk about on this anyway, so we may as well get into it now is the COVID thing.
你知道吗，他们说“相信科学”，让你去打疫苗，这其实是在利用科学素养来操控人。
You know, they weaponized scientific literacy when they said trust the science on the on the jab.
这……
That's...
我……
I...
有很多值得聊的事情，但整个对科学的战争，比如一直说……
There's a lot of things worth talking about, but the the whole war on science, like, keep call...
我经常被人叫做科学否认者。
I get called a science denier a lot.
去他的。
Fuck that.
我是科学的守门人。
I'm a science gatekeeper.
如果那不是科学，你就不能称它为科学。
You don't get to call it science if it ain't science.
你到门口就得停下。
You stop at the door.
科学是一种方法。
Science is a method.
它是我们取得进展的一种方式。
It's a it's a way we get somewhere.
它不是最终的结果。
It's not the end result.
卡尔·萨根说过，科学不仅仅是知识的集合。
Carl Sagan said science is more than a body of knowledge.
它是一种思维方式，一种带着怀疑去审视宇宙的方式。
It's a way of thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe.
疫苗测试的同行评审平均需要大约十年时间。
The average time for a peer review for a test on a vaccine is about ten years.
你一年半就搞出来了。
You crank it out in a year and a half.
你根本没有按照正确的步骤来。
You haven't followed the proper fucking steps.
你没有在做科学。
You haven't done science.
我不是科学否定者。
I'm not a science denier.
我不是……
I'm not...
我只是……
I just...
把事情做对了再回来。
Do it right and come back.
有这么多钱牵扯进来，这不是巧合。
It's not a coincidence that there was so much money involved.
我们又不傻。
We're not stupid.
不。
No.
我们知道为什么没做，因为没有其他方法治疗这种病。
We know why it it wasn't done because there was no other methods to treat this disease.
那太荒谬了。
That's ridiculous.
这不是真的。
It's not true.
嗯，
Well
所以他们才对我那么生气。
And that's why they got so mad at me.
但是，这……
But It's...
这正是我想跟你医生谈的。
That's where I was gonna go with your doctor.
他们会说你的私人医生把你给坑了，但我对此一无所知，只能猜测。
They would say threw your personal physicians under the bus, and I don't know anything about that except for that I can't extrapolate.
我可以猜一下，你的私人医生可能想保住那份工作，大概也不想看到你因为新冠而挂掉。
I can guess and say that the guy that your personal physicians probably wants to keep that job and probably doesn't wanna see you croak from COVID.
我的意思是，我可能说错了，但你知道，这看起来真的很荒谬，就好像他们只是在推销一堆伪科学的废话。
And I mean I mean, I could be wrong, but, you know, it it seemed really just ridiculous that it was like, oh, they're just pushing a bunch of pseudoscience bullshit.
就好像他们……
It's like, they
你可以那样理解。
That you could look at it that way.
而且我……
And I I...
你知道，当时大家都害怕，他们也没办法，毕竟面对的是这场让很多人焦虑的疫情。
You know, everyone was scared, and it's not their fault that they, you know, they were presented with this pandemic that caused people a lot of anxiety.
但让我震惊的是，很少有人愿意问一句：那个人到底做了什么？
But what was shocking to me was how few people were willing to say, what did that guy do?
而不是一上来就说，天哪。
Instead of saying, oh my god.
你反科学。
You're anti science.
你在鼓吹疫苗犹豫。
You're promoting vaccine hesitancy.
你没打疫苗，然后你得了新冠还活下来了，你还到处跟别人说你当时是怎么扛过来的。
You didn't get vaccinated, and you survived COVID, and you're telling everybody how you did it.
这就是反科学。
This is anti science.
就像……
Like...
但这事儿确实发生了。
But it happened.
只不过他们……
Except they
他们跟你说你用的是马用的驱虫药。
told you you were using a horse dewormer.
那个……那个完全就是疯了。
Which which Well, that was completely insane.
但那……
But that...
那正好证明了这是宣传。
That's just proof of propaganda.
但就算没有这个宣传的证据，你还有另一件事。
But even without that proof of propaganda, you also have this thing.
比如说，如果我们都在努力度过难关，而你看到一个非常公开的人，我一直在网上。
Like, if if we are all trying to get through something and you see someone who is a very public person, I'm online all the time.
我有几百万的订阅者。
I have millions of subscribers.
所以我的一举一动都受到密切关注……
So I'm very scrutinized on my...
而且大家都知道我一直在锻炼。
And everyone knows that I work out all the time.
大家都知道我吃维生素。
Everyone knows I take vitamins.
我一直在说这个
I talk about it all
的时候。
the time.
冷水浴、高压氧舱，还有各种乱七八糟的东西。
Cold plunges and fucking hyperbaric chambers and all this different shit.
他们为什么不说，哦，显然，如果你真的很健康，做了这些事情，也许因为某种原因你不能接种疫苗，这也有效。
Why wouldn't they say, oh, apparently, if you're really healthy and you do these things and for maybe whatever reason you can't get vaccinated, this works too.
他们从来就没考虑过。
There was never even a consideration.
甚至甚至……
Even even...
就算疫苗有效，其实也没效。
Let's assume the vaccine worked with it, which didn't.
比如，假设它能预防感染，其实没有；能预防传播，其实也没有；而且没有副作用，这肯定不是真的。
Like, which which assumed that it prevented infection, which it didn't, prevented transmission, which which it didn't, and didn't have any side effects, which is certainly not true.
所以我们就……
So let's just...
我们就假装它有效吧。
Let's pretend it did.
即便如此，还是有人对疫苗里的某些成分过敏。
Even then, you have people that are allergic to some of the ingredients in the vaccine.
阿隆·罗杰斯就是其中之一。
Aaron Rogers was one of them.
所以如果你告诉那些人，嘿，
And so if you tell those people, hey.
我明白那种有效的药你不能用，但这里有个人用了别的方法，结果没事。
I understand that this medicine that works, you can't take, but here is a guy who did something different and was fine.
这样也挺好的。
Like, this is okay too.
结果他们反而把那些都封了，不给流量，关掉……
Instead, they shut all that down, demonetize people, close...
节目、频道都下架了。
Shows channels down.
那确实很糟糕。
It was it was bad.
那挺有意思的。
It was interesting.
确实挺有意思的。
It it was interesting.
你知道，现在回头看挺有趣的，因为我们可以看看现在的情况，某种程度上一切都尘埃落定了。
It's, you know, it's funny watching it from hindsight because we can look at it now and see where, you know, everything's kind of settled afterwards to a degree.
但即便如此，比如福奇听证会，我认识的那些大力支持他的人，在我告诉他们之前，没人知道这事儿。
But even still, like like, for example, the Fauci hearings, nobody who was a big supporter of his that I know personally knew about that until I told him about it.
就好像这事儿根本没出现在他们的雷达上。
It was like it just didn't show up in their fucking radar.
他们不想知道这事儿。
They don't wanna know about it.
当然不想。
Of course not.
我是说，没人愿意承认自己在那件事上完全错了。
I mean, nobody wants to think that they were completely wrong about that.
你懂吧？
You know?
而且那正是他们做的其中一件事，把大家煽动得群情激愤。
And that was one of the things they did whip everybody up into a fury.
你看。
Look.
当你错了的时候，你得说，好吧，那件事我确实错了。
When you're wrong about something, you gotta say, well, I was wrong about that for sure.
那真的很……
That's really...
说实话，这不仅关乎做一个诚实的人，而且尤其是如果你搞科学的话，这更是基本要求。
Honestly, like, part and parcel not just to being an honest person, but, like, especially if you're in science.
对。
Yes.
你知道，就像你那个哥们儿……
You know, like, your boy...
你最喜欢的那个不是科学家的考古学家，就是那个弗林特·迪布尔，他最近搞了个事，嘲笑我，然后他翻出一个东西，讲复活节岛，说复活节岛最早有人居住的那一层有来自南美和亚洲的食物。
Your favorite archaeologist who's not a scientist, that Flint Dibble guy, he recently did a thing where he was making fun of me, and he's, like, pulls up this thing talking about Easter Island and how Easter Island's earliest habitable layer has foodstuffs from South America and Asia.
所以，就我们所知，人们最早到达复活节岛的时候，他们一千年前就已经到过这两个大陆了。
So, like, as far back as people were hitting Easter Island that we're aware of, they were hitting both of these continents a thousand years ago.
所以这个我之前提过。
So I've I've mentioned this.
弗林特就把那段剪下来了。
Flint clips that.
他说，这纯属胡说八道。
He's like, this is bullshit.
这……
This...
丹就是那种自信满满但错得离谱的人。
Dan's confidently wrong.
他完全是在胡说八道。
He's fully shit.
五分钟后，在这次直播里，他发现那其实是对的。
Five minutes later in this livestream, he catches that that is accurate.
好吧，其实是有证据表明两者之间有联系，但他从没提过那是在复活节岛上。
Well, actually, there is evidence of contact between the two, but he never mentions that it was on Easter Island.
他保住了面子，而不是……
He saves his face rather than...
而且，我的意思是，这也不是什么大惊小怪的事，关键是如果你……
And and, I mean, that's not like a big surprise thing, the point is is that if you're
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你知道，这是有科学依据的……
You know, this is scientific...
我也是这么想的。
This is what I also think.
我觉得有很多个人因素
I think there's all this personal stuff
这些人身上发生的事，完全没必要。
That goes on with these people that is so completely unnecessary.
我觉得考古学家之所以被这些人轻视，唯一的原因就是……
And I think the only reason why archaeologists get dismissed by these...
不管你怎么称呼自己，你
Whatever you would call yourself, you
知道，业余爱好者。对。
know, amateur Yeah.
有兴趣的业余爱好者。
Interested amateurs.
对生命万物感兴趣的业余爱好者，看着这些……
Interested amateurs in all things life and looking at these...
那些……
The...
那些……
The...
看数据和科学分析，你真的很擅长这个。
Looking at the data and looking at the science of it, and you're really good at it.
好的，谢谢你。
Well, thank you.
我很感激。
I appreciate that.
这应该是一种优势。
That should be an asset.
就应该是这样。
That's all that should be.
这应该是考古学家的优势。
That should be an asset to the archaeologists.
如果你觉得他们哪里不对，你应该跟他们谈谈。
And if you think they're wrong about something, you should talk to them.
我觉得他和格雷厄姆的那次对话，就是正确的做法。
Now I think when he had that conversation with Graham, I think that's the right way to do it.
我不觉得他一定是真心实意的，我觉得他想推动某种特定的说法。
I don't think necessarily he did it in good faith, and I think he wanted to, you know, push a certain narrative.
其中一个说法就是……
And one of the narratives was...
最让我不安的是，他试图把格雷厄姆说成种族主义者，就因为他提出了这些理论，说在我们现在看到的文明之前，存在过一个先进的文明。
The thing that disturbed disturbed me the most is he was trying to label Graham as racist for proposing these theories that there's an advanced civilization that existed before the one that we currently see.
我不觉得
I I don't think
这跟种族主义有什么关系。
that it can be racist.
这是人类。
It's human beings.
不只是人类。
It's not just human beings.
确切地说，是生活在那些人类所居住地区的那些人。
It's human beings specifically that live in the very area where those human beings live.
所以那是他们的祖先。
So it's their ancestors.
所以非洲人的祖先就是建造金字塔的人。
So the ancestors of Africans are the ones who built the pyramids.
不管他们到底是谁，不管是公元前两千五百年的那些人，还是更早的，不管是什么时候。
Whoever the fuck they were, whether whether they were the people of two thousand five hundred BC or whether it was even earlier than that, Whatever it was.
就是住在那里的人。
It was the people that live right there.
同一批人。
The same people.
这太疯狂了。
It's So this is crazy.
这个……
The...
好吧，整件事就是。
Well, the whole thing is.
这才是真正的亚特兰蒂斯。
This is what's really Atlantis.
他们说，你是不是假设亚特兰蒂斯人是白人？
Well, they say, do you assume that Atlanteans were white?
所以，你只对棕色人种的建筑提出疑问。
Ergo, it's only the brown people buildings that you ask questions about.
你不对罗马斗兽场提出疑问。
You're not asking questions about the Colosseum.
就像，好吧。
It's like, okay.
罗马斗兽场有文字记录。
Well, the Colosseum has written records.
所以我知道斗兽场为什么建、什么时候建的，帕特农神庙也一样。
So I know why the Colosseum was built, when it was built, and Parthenon, same thing.
但你知道我对什么不了解吗？那些据说是白人建造的东西。
But you know what I don't know about that was built by white people supposedly?
巴勒贝克。
Baalbek.
巴勒贝克据说是罗马人建造的。
Baalbek was supposedly built by Romans.
我们也在那里做同样的事情。
We're all doing it there too.
这和肤色无关。
It has nothing to do with color.
这完全和文字记录有关，所以他们忽略这一点。
It has everything to do with written records, so they ignore this.
我最喜欢拿出来说的一件事是
One of my favorite things to throw out in
它没有关于
the has no written records of the
不是三部曲的。
Not of the trilogy.
那些大工程。
The big stuff.
没错。
Exactly.
那他们怎么不把这些记录下来呢？
And how do you not write that down?
你什么都做了。
You have done everything.
什么都做了。
Everything.
罗马人什么都记下来。
The Romans wrote everything down.
他们有书记员。
They had scribes.
他们的工作就是把一切都记录下来。
Their job was to document everything.
他们非常注重历史。
They were very concentrated on history.
我和吉米·科塞蒂在这里的时候，我们就聊过这个。
We we went off about this when me and Jimmy Corsetti were here.
对。
Yes.
但说到罗马尺，
But talking about, like, the Roman foot.
嗯，如果
Well, if
吉米说得对，亚特兰蒂斯就在撒哈拉以南的非洲。
Jimmy's right, Atlantis was in Sub Saharan Africa.
那是非洲人。
It's Africans.
嗯，我觉得说实话……
Well, I think honestly that...
我觉得亚特兰蒂斯其实是个统称，指的是一个曾经遍布全球的失落文明。
I think Atlantis is kind of a catchall term for a lost civilization that was globe spanning.
而且，打个比方，一万年后的人看我们，
And, like, they would call us ten thousand years from now.
他们可能就会把我们跟那些法国人归为一类，叫我们电子文明。
They would just lump us in with the damn French and call us the electronic civilization.
除了GSP，我可不想跟法国人扯上关系。
And with the exception of GSP, I don't wanna be associated with a damn French.
不。
No.
我开玩笑的。
I'm kidding.
我是蒙特利尔人。
I'm I'm Montreal.
我
I
喜欢。所以你知道，我我……
love So you know, I I...
GSP会出席那个活动。
GSP is gonna be at that event.
哦，是吗？
Oh, is he?
是的。
Yes.
他是最棒的。
He's the best.
我喜欢他做播客。
I love that he's doing a podcast.
他是个很有趣的人。
He's a very fascinated guy.
他对很多事情都充满好奇和兴趣，而且他很善良，思想开放，也非常聪明。
He's fascinated and curious about so many things, and he's kind, and he's open minded, and he's really intelligent.
他真的很低调。
He is so odd.
比如，当人们见到他时，我问，你知道那是谁吗？
Like, when people meet him, and I go, do you know who that is?
他们说，不知道。
And they go, no.
他看起来就是个特别好的人。
He's, like, a really nice guy.
我说，那可是史上最伟大的笼斗选手之一。
I'm like, that is one of the greatest cage fighters that ever lived.
他们就说，不会吧。
They're like, no way.
我说，史上最伟大的之一，如果不是最伟大的话。
I go, one of the all time greats, if not the all time great.
我觉得约翰·琼斯才是最伟大的。
I think John Jones is all time great.
但我觉得他绝对算得上顶尖。
But I think he's in the conversation.
就像乔治，他也是史上最伟大的选手之一。
Like, George is in the conversation of one of the greatest that's ever done it.
而且他还是个特别温柔、特别友善的人。
And meanwhile, he's the sweetest, nicest guy.
哥们，有一次我在Instagram上给他留言，他当时在练腿，我就说我的腿永远练不成那样，因为我整天坐在电脑前，抽着大麻看书。
Dude, when I I made a comment once to him on Instagram where he was, like, doing these leg workouts, and I was like, my legs will never look like that because I'm sitting on a computer all day smoking weed and reading.
他回复说，我宁愿用我的腿换你的脑子，我当时就想，你赶紧闭嘴吧。
And he goes, I trade my legs for your brain any day, and I'm just like, shut the fuck off.
你的腿都让你赚了几百万了。
Your legs have made you millions.
你在说什么呢，兄弟？
What the hell are you talking about, boy?
是啊，人总是想要自己没有的东西。
Well, everybody wants what they don't have.
你知道吗？
You know?
他十七号还要请我去他的播客呢。
He's gonna have me on his pod here on the seventeenth too.
他——哦，那挺好的。
He's Oh, cool.
十六号或者十八号会在这儿，还有那个活动在……
Gonna be here the sixteenth or eighteenth or that thing at
ACL。
the ACL.
就是你搞的那个活动。
This thing that you're doing.
就是在这里举办的“探寻古代文明大会”，十月十六号到十八号，在得克萨斯州奥斯汀的ACL Live。
Here at the Quest for Ancient Civilizations Conference, October sixteenth through eighteenth at the ACL Live here in Austin, Texas.
到时候有我、兰德尔·卡尔森，还有……
It'd be me, Randall Carlson, to...
谁……
Who...
Base forge，你刚请他上过节目，Bass four j，还有另外几个人。
Base forge, you just had him on here, Bass four j, and a few other guys.
这个活动。
This thing.
里面有一堆AI……
It's got a bunch of AI...
看到中间那个AI生成的阿米什人了吗？
See the AI generated Amish dude in the middle there?
看看这张图里全是伪科学。
Look at all pseudoscience on one picture.
我喜欢。
I love it.
哦，天哪。
Oh, man.
我们，我们……
We're we're...
如果有……
If there's
就像邓肯一样。
Just like Duncan.
那将会是……
It's gonna be...
哦，对。
Oh, yeah.
看起来一点都不像邓肯。
Doesn't look like Duncan at all.
那就像邓肯打了激素一样。
That's like Duncan on TRT.
但库尔特和邓肯会去，那些神秘男孩们。
But Kurt and Duncan are gonna be there, the mystery boys.
那些人会……
Those guys will be...
那些人总是……
Those guys are always
你听说兰德尔·卡尔森现在出了首说唱歌曲吗？
You hear Randall Carlson has a rap song out now?
是的。
Yes.
是的。
Yes.
不是兰德尔。
Not Randall.
抱歉。
I'm sorry.
是比利。
Billy.
不是。
No.
比利·卡尔森。
Billy Carlson.
兰德尔，我不知道他发了什么。
Randall, I didn't know what he released.
可以一起发一首。
Could put one out together.
兰德尔让我脑子乱了。
Randall has my brain.
搞乱了。
Got scrambled.
兰德尔，兰德尔有
Randall Randall has
一首说唱歌曲？
a rap song?
我们在亚利桑那州塞多纳的时候，我们……
When we were in Sedona, Arizona, we...
他和我合住一个Airbnb，他是在八十年代末写的这首歌。
Him were sharing an Airbnb, and he he he wrote it in, like, the late eighties.
他吃早饭的时候对着我唱rap。
He was spitting bars at me over breakfast.
我当时就想，天哪。
I was just going, god.
我去，太牛了。
Fucking damn.
这我可真没想到。
This was not on my bingo card.
哇。
Woah.
兰德尔·卡尔森对着我唱rap当早餐。
Randall Carlson rapping at me for breakfast.
卡尔森还是个嘻哈迷？
Carlson is a hip hop head?
从八十年代末就开始了。
From the late eighties.
他一直在……我怎么……
He's been How do I
我怎么不知道这事儿？
how do I not know that?
可怜的JRE。
Poor JRE.
可怜的JRE。
Poor JRE.
我该不该去查一下呢。
I should look it up or not.
可怜的JRE。
Poor JRE.
我在这儿躲得远远的。
Pulling the fuck away over here.
兰德尔·卡尔森说唱，拜托了。
Randall Carlson hip hop, please.
把这个输入到Perplexity里。
Put that into Perplexity.
问问我们的AI赞助商Perplexity，兰德尔·卡尔森在说唱界有什么历史。
Ask our AI sponsor Perplexity what Randall Carlson's history in hip hop is.
看到那个圣诞老人在酒吧里那样，那肯定很酷。
That would be dope watching fucking Santa Claus in bars like that.
我跟你说，兄弟。
I'm telling you, man.
我当时……
I was...
我……
I...
那是……
It was...
我当时还在喝咖啡，慢慢吃我的早餐碗，然后我就想，天哪。
I was still drinking coffee and nursing my morning bowl, and I was like, well, holy shit.
这真的是现实世界吗？
And is this the real world?
太疯狂了。
Crazy.
不过，是的，那会很有趣。
But, yeah, that's gonna be a fun thing.
GSP现在也会去那里。
GSP is gonna be there now.
他们……
They...
他大约一小时前刚刚正式100%确认了。
He just got officially 100% confirmed about an hour ago.
那真是太棒了。
That's fantastic.
不过，是的，那会非常有趣。
But, yeah, that's gonna be a lot of fun.
但我会说，
But I would be talking a
关于门票的事？
about available for that?
你可以在网上买到吗？
You can get them online?
门票是有的。
Tickets are available.
你可以在网上买到。
You can get them online.
追寻古代文明之旅。
The quest for ancient civilization.
谢谢。
Thanks.
《追寻古代文明》，如果你去我的YouTube频道，上面会有相关内容。
The quest for ancient civilizations, if you go to my YouTube, there'll be stuff on there.
那个……
The...
你只要搜《追寻古代文明》，很容易就能找到。
If you look for quest for ancient civilizations, you will have no trouble finding it.
所以这个会议可以在线观看，大家都能买票，阵容看起来超棒，而且全都是我喜欢聊的话题。
So this conference available online, people can get tickets, looks like a dope lineup, and it's all the stuff that I love to talk about.
所以……
So
太棒了。
I Sick.
我当时开玩笑说，请到GSP的时候，这简直是罗根三巨头组合。
I I jokingly called it the Rogan Trinity when we got GSP.
我们有金字塔。
We've got the pyramids.
我们有喜剧。
We got the comedy.
我们有痛揍。
We've got the ass whooping.
三个都齐了。
We hit all three.
所以这些人……
So these people...
我们回到那个史密森尼的事情上。
Let's go back to this this Smithsonian thing.
那些把头弄变形的人。
These people with their altered heads.
你觉得他们是不是在模仿那些早就存在的人，比如秘鲁的那些头骨？
Is it your suspicion that they were altering their heads to try to appear like people that were already here, like the Peruvian skulls and
不是。
No.
我之前以为……
Before I thought...
哦，你说吧。
Oh, go ahead.
抱歉。
Sorry.
不是。
No.
你说吧。
Go ahead.
哦，我之前是那么想的，但是……
Oh, before I thought that, but...
因为，比如，中国有一些头骨，最初被误认为是尼安德特人之类的，像那些古老的……
Because, like, there's skulls in China that were originally mistaken for chromagnet and Neanderthal and stuff, like old...
现在他们说这些是被人为改造过的。
And now they say they're artificially modified by people.
但是，嗯。
But Mhmm.
不。
No.
我觉得……
I think...
你能把那个小脑扁桃体下疝畸形的图片调出来吗？
Could you pull up the image for Chiari malformation?
就是那个……
It's the...
就是有两张头部扫描图，其中一张圈出来了。
It's got two heads with one circled, like two CAT scans.
就是我刚才说的那个脑部往下掉的情况，嗯。
When I was talking about the brain falling down into the thing Mhmm.
他们认为这是尼安德特人或丹尼索瓦人与我们混血导致的问题。
They believe that this is a problem from Neanderthal and or Denisovan mingling with us.
头骨太小，大脑太大。
Skull too small, brain too big.
所以如果你一直有这个问题，你就得……
So now if you have this consistent problem, you've gotta...
大脑总是受压。
Always got pressure on the brain.
看到它往下掉了吗？
See how it pops down there?
大脑总是有这种压力。
You've always got this pressure on the brain.
想象一下，你可能会在头上钻孔，就像你看到下面那些截断的痕迹一样。
Now imagine if you you might drill holes in your head, like you've seen all the truncation that's happened down there.
有张图可以看。
There's an image of that.
对。
Yep.
然后……
Then...
或者你可能每一代都把后脑勺拉长，这样你的孩子就不会像爷爷那样头疼得要命。
Or you might elongate the back of the skull every generation so that your kids don't have the same fucking headaches grandpa did.
哦。
Oh.
所以这就变成了一种……
And so it becomes a thing that...
这就是为什么你去南美看看……
And this is why if you check out South America...
秘鲁在这方面简直疯狂。
Peracus is insane this way.
他们有很多东西，多指症、长头骨、环钻术。
They have so many things, the polydactyly, the elongated skulls, the trephination.
有这么个东西。
There's a thing.
你能把那个印加骨的图片调出来吗？
Could you pull up the Inca bone one?
就是头骨会融化的那种……
Where your skulls melt...
头骨后面的骨板会融化。
The plates in the skull melt in the back.
如果有压力或者不平衡，就会出现所谓的沃姆骨。
If there is stress or a lack of equilibrium, you'll end up what they call Fermian bones.
后面的那些就是沃姆骨。
Ones in the back are Wormian bones.
后面的那些特别明显。
The ones in the back are so pronounced.
这些叫印加骨，因为主要出现在印加地区。
These are called Inca bones because they happen mostly in Inca territory.
在复活节岛、太平洋西北地区和亚洲也能看到这种情况。
You also see it in Easter Island, the Pacific Northwest, and in Asia.
但就在头骨的这一部分，有一个尼安德特人的头骨也显示了这一点。
But this part of the skull right there, there's one that's got a Neanderthal that shows this too.
尼安德特人也有同样的问题。
Neanderthals had the same issue.
还有一个，还有一个岛……
There's another one, and there's an island...
哦，天哪。
Oh, Jesus.
但是，是的，那个……
But, yeah, the...
抱歉。
Sorry.
有……
There's...
有一个是Check。
There's one that's Check
我现在自己的头。
my own head right now.
有一个底部有白色文字的，杰米。
There's one with white text at the bottom, Jamie.
抱歉。
Sorry.
但是，是的，尼安德特人也有这个。
But, yeah, Neanderthal had it.
而且这是一个……
And it's a...
再说一次，它……
Again, it...
这是因为缺乏平衡。
It's from a lack of equilibrium.
他们说这是因为大脑和头骨不太匹配。
They say it's from the brain and the skull not quite fitting.
有道理。
That makes sense.
我觉得在南美洲，他们当时在混不同的血统，就像你看那个演《侠探杰克》的演员，就能看出他身上的尼安德特人基因可能比我还多。
I think in South America, I think that they were mingling different bloodlines, the same as you can look at a guy that plays Reacher and tell that he's probably got more Neanderthal in him than I do.
他们混这些血统，然后就会得到各种不同的……
And they would mingle these bloodlines, and then they would get all kinds of different...
有一个尼安德特人的例子。
There's a Neanderthal one.
他们会得到各种不同的基因变异。
They would get all kinds of different genetic variations.
我觉得有些是不好的，但有些是被尊重的。
And I think some of these were bad, but some of them were honored.
比如，你见过奥尔梅克的美洲豹人。
Like, you've seen the jaguar people of the Olmec.
好的。
Okay.
你有没有见过……
Have you ever seen...
你能把那个牙齿发育异常的例子调出来吗？就是那个长了两颗尖牙的孩子。
Could you pull up the the dental dysplasia one, the kid with the two fangs?
确实有牙齿方面的问题。
There's there's dental things.
这种问题会让小孩长出尖牙，而且通常还会伴随唇裂。
It'll make you grow fangs as a child, and it also quite often will give you a hair lip.
美洲豹？
Jaguar?
哇。
Woah.
所以，如果你看……
And so, like, if you look...
所以，你觉得那是什么原因造成的？
And so, like What do you think that's from?
再说一次，这是来自……
Again, this is from...
那是古代人那种牙齿吗？以前的人是不是都长那样的牙？
Is that some ancient shit where people used to have teeth like that?
这是DNA的问题。
It's it's DNA.
他们是……
They're they're...
再说一次，在我们混血DNA的地方，应该有一个关于纸嘴的案例。
Again, where we cross mingle DNA, there should be one right there about the mouths with the paper.
抱歉。
Sorry.
我得把那些调出来。
I have to pull up those.
但是那些牙齿，在我们发现的所有人类灵长类动物中都没有出现过。
But those teeth, that's not in any other human primate that we've ever found.
对。
No.
那是……
That's...
在我们身上会出现，但是……所以这是……
It happens in ours, but with So it's
只是一种畸形。
just a malformation.
一种我们很常见的畸形，比如……
A malformation that we have a lot of that, like the...
嗯，有些人就是不停地长牙齿。
Well, some people just keep growing teeth.
但是，你知道，或者头骨里会有不同的骨头，头骨的形状也会不同。
But, you know, or you get different bones in the head, different shapes of the skull.
我见过一些头骨，古代的头骨，上面长着好几排牙齿。
I've seen skulls, ancient skulls with rows of teeth.
其中一些……
Some of those...
比如，他们也不确定有多少是真的，但……
Like, they don't know for sure how many of those are legit, but the...
但毫无疑问，这种事情确实会发生。
There's there's definitely no question that these things happen.
那就是……
That's...
再说，那个……
Again, the...
嗯，真正的问题在于，这变成了一种掩盖。
Well, the real problem with this is it becomes a cover up.
比如，刚才我提到过，在太平洋西北地区有很多那种长形的头骨。
Like, by a little bit ago, I mentioned that they were all these elongated skulls in the Pacific Northwest.
华盛顿州朗维尤的棺材山，当查尔斯·威尔克斯上校或中尉——他父亲碰巧是英国骷髅会的成员——到达朗维尤时，他看到了棺材山，那里有这些地面上的墓葬，总共有三千座。
Mount Coffin in Longview, Washington, when colonel Charles Wilkes or lieutenant Charles Wilkes, whose father happened to be a member of the Skull and Bone Society in England, when he got to Longview, Washington, he saw Mount Coffin, this place where they had these above ground burials, and there were 3,000 of them.
据说所有这些墓葬里的头骨都应该是长形的，因为再说一次，在那个地方，如果你没有长形头骨，你就不是自由民，而且这是……
All of them supposedly would have had elongated skulls because, again, if you don't have an elongated skull in that neck of the woods, you weren't a freeborn person, and this was...
你必须出身贵族才能葬在那里。
You had to be noble to be buried there.
三千个长形头骨。
3,000 elongated skulls.
当他离开时，一场营火意外烧毁了那个地方。
When he left, this campfire actually burnt the place down.
所有那些头骨都消失了。
All those skulls disappeared.
杰米刚才略过的那张图片，就是一个家伙坐在一堆骨头上。
That image that he, Jamie skipped past a little bit goes, just a dude sitting on a pile of bones.
那是一个印第安人的墓地，他们却在随意掠夺这些东西，到处贩卖。
This is an Indian burial ground, and they were just looting the things and selling them left and right.
你觉得那些东西现在在哪儿？
Where do you think those things are?
在人们家里……
In people's how...
在人们手里。
People's hands.
嗯，我从来没听说过有人私人收藏长头骨的故事。
Well, I've never heard of a story of a person having an elongated skull in their private collection.
有人在评论我的视频说，比如，1978年我在谁家见过一个，但哇。
Of people that have commented on my video saying, like, I saw one at someone's house in 1978, but Woah.
但这里……
But here...
但我给你个确凿的证据。
But I'll give you the smoking though.
如果你像洛克菲勒那种人，在罗德岛有座豪宅。
If you're like some Rockefeller type guy, you got a mansion in Rhode Island.
你提到洛克菲勒真有意思
It's funny you brought
在三十年代，帕拉卡斯那边正闹得厉害。
up Rockefeller in the thirties when Tellow down in Paracas.
他开始放出消息，嘿。
He he starts putting out, hey.
我们这里发现了这些长头骨，我需要资金。
We've got these elongated skulls down there, and I need money.
他当时每年只拿三百美元来照看这些东西。
He was getting $300 a year to take care of them.
洛克菲勒听说了，历史上明确记载他突然去了趟秘鲁。
Rockefeller gets wind, and history says flat out he took an unexpected trip to Peru.
他花了三千美元，带回了四捆东西。
He dropped $3 and walked back with four bundles.
现在根据
Now according to
就是这样。
That's it.
3美元？
$3?
还有四个墓葬包裹。
And four four grave bundles.
那是特洛一年收入的10倍。
That's 10 times what Tello was getting a year.
是那个人一年照看所有这些东西收入的10倍。
10 times what the guy was getting a year to take care of all of them.
他掏出了大约300个包裹中的4个。
He coughs up four out of, like, 300 bundles.
哇。
Now Wow.
那四个包裹据说在大都会博物馆展出过，也据说在纽约的国家历史博物馆展出过。
Those four bundles were supposedly displayed at the Met, supposedly displayed at the National History Museum in New York.
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