JRE MMA秀第172期：与盖博·史蒂文森的对谈

哇。

Wow.

我刚满24岁。

I just turned 24.

我知道，哦。

It's I know Oh.

你看到了。

You see it.

你看到那个姿势了吗？

You see that stance?

那是初学者的姿势。

That's the beginner stance.

那是初学者的姿势，但我赤手空拳上场，完全凭感觉瞎打。

That's the beginner stance, but I came out there no gloves, just winging it.

嗯。

Uh-huh.

我跟他们说，只给我一个好机会，但足球不仅仅是足球。

And I told them, just just give me a good chance, but football is not just football.

这就是战术手册。

This the playbook.

这个战术手册太疯狂了，因为我从一个想法开始：嘿。

And the playbook is crazy because I went from, hey.

出去和对手一对一摔跤，看看边锋是否脚步轻盈，或者是否前倾，看看中锋会不会默数，或者看看边锋是否会轻敲中锋来发球。

Go out there and wrestle someone one on one to see if the guard is light on his feet or see if he's leaning forward to see if the center is is gonna silent count maybe or see if he see if the guard taps the center to snap the ball.

你需要了解的东西太多了。

There's a lot of different things that you gotta know.

我戴着一顶超大的头盔站在那里。

And I'm out there with this big ass helmet on.

我从来没戴过头盔，乔，所以我戴着这顶超大的头盔站在那里。

I've never put a helmet on, Joe, so I'm out there with this big ass helmet.

我的头低着，根本看不到上面。

My head's, like, down, and I can't look up.

我不知道自己在做什么，但我知道只要我努力，就会有人给我一个机会。

And I don't know what I'm doing, but I knew if I gave effort that someone would give me a chance.

在我第一场比赛时，我上场了。

And I I went out there in my first game.

我觉得我有一次擒抱，一次四分卫冲传，当时我几乎没人听说过，因为我以前从没打过球，但那真是太疯狂了。

I feel like I think I had a tackle, a QB rush, and I was kind of unheard of at the time because I've never played ball before, but, it was crazy.

这绝对是千载难逢的经历。

Once in a lifetime experience, most definitely.

当你被裁掉时，你有没有想过换个地方再试试？

And when you got cut, did you think about trying somewhere else?

你有没有想过继续坚持下去？

Did you think about doing it more?

当我被布法罗队裁掉时，我是最后一个离开更衣室的。

Once I got cut from Buffalo, I was the last one to get cut from the from the room.

我记得去见了比恩和麦克德莫特，他们打算让我加入练习队。

I remember going in to see Bean and, in McDermott, and I and, they were gonna do practice squad.

但我知道他们会让我加入训练队，所以我心想：嘿。

But, I knew they were gonna do practice squad, so I was like, yo.

直接送我回家吧。

Just send me home.

我自己会想办法的。

I'll figure it out.

我会再试一次。

I'll try again.

所以我原本计划回大学继续摔跤，但我闲逛了一个月左右。

So my plan was to go back to college and wrestle already, but I sat around for maybe a month.

巴尔的摩乌鸦队给我打了电话，他们说：嘿。

Baltimore Ravens called me, and Baltimore was like, hey.

你愿意来参加一次试训吗？

Do you wanna come to a tryout?

我说：好的。

I said, okay.

你知道吗，我以前从来没踢过橄榄球。

You know, I never played football before.

让你知道一下，如果表现有点不稳定，但我去参加了试训，而且我完全压制了全场。

Just to let you know, like, if it's a little shaky, I went out there and I I dominated the tryout.

我只训练了十分钟，但那十分钟非常出色。

And I had, like, ten minutes of work, but it was a great ten minutes.

他们说：好吧。

And they're like, okay.

我们要给你做体检。

We're gonna take your physicals.

你会留下来，待在这里。

You're gonna be here and stay.

伤情报告出来了，报告说他们需要一个DN和一名线卫。

The injury report comes back and the injury report says they need a what's the kind of they need a DN and a linebacker.

所以你得填补这个空缺，因为下周需要有人上场。

So you gotta compensate for the spot because you need someone to play next week.

我可能需要在练习队待六周才能上场。

And I probably needed, like, six weeks on practice squad to play.

所以我被送回家了。

And so I I get sent home.

他们说：给我一周时间。

They said, give me a week.

我们会再把你叫回来。

We'll bring you back.

一周过去了，他们真的把我叫了回来。

A week comes, they'll bring me back.

于是我心想，好吧。

And so I'm like, okay.

我看出了苗头。

I see the writing on the wall.

我还是往前看吧。

Let me move on.

我坐了一会儿。

I sit for a little bit.

印第安纳波利斯小马队打来电话。

Indianapolis Colts call.

他们刚刚被一支球队碾压了。

They just got ran over by the by a team.

他们说我们需要一个防跑能手。

They said we need a run stopper.

于是我过去参加了试训。

So I go out there, do the trial.

我觉得表现得还不错。

I think it went well.

他们说今天不签任何人。

They said we're not taking anybody today.

从那以后，我想，也许这并不是我的出路。

And then from there, I was like, you know, maybe maybe this is not it.

于是我回到了拉塞尔。

And so I went back to Russell.

那时候你有想过综合格斗吗？

And did you ever think about MMA at that time?

它在你脑海里吗？

Was it in the back of your head?

自从奥运会以来，综合格斗就一直在我心里，但我想确保，如果我要投身综合格斗，我得先尝试其他事情，而不是一头扎进一个需要全身心投入的领域。

MMA was in the back of my head since the Olympics, but I wanted to make sure that if I was gonna go to MMA that let me try things first before going all in on something that I need to go all in on.

我进行了试训。

And I did my tryouts.

我做了各种尝试，现在我想全身心投入到终于到来的这件事上。

I did my things, and now I wanna go in all in on something that that is finally here.

当你妈妈害怕你练摔跤时，她对你练综合格斗有什么看法？

And when your mom was scared of you doing wrestling, how did she feel about you doing MMA?

哦，你知道的，她吓得屁滚尿流。

Oh, you know, she's shitting shitting all over.

天啊。

Oh my god.

她根本不敢看。

She can't even watch.

她甚至都没看过我摔跤。

She didn't even watch me wrestle.

所以现在我就跟妈妈说：妈，有个家伙马上就要打我脸了。

And so now I'm like, mom, I got a dude about to punch me in the face.

也许他能打到我。

Maybe if he can get to me.

你确定要来看吗？

Are you sure you wanna come and watch?

她却说：嗯。

And she's like, yeah.

我会来看的。

I'll come watch.

她来了，玩得很开心，还喝了酒。

And she comes have has a good time and has her drinks.

当我走出来时，我问：‘你去哪儿了？’

And when I step out, I'm like, where were you?

哦，在后面呢。

Oh, it was in the back.

所以你根本没看到我搞笑的样子？

So you didn't even see me funny?

所以我就

So I

我当时想：‘你是不是疯了？’

was like, are you ridiculous?

那你干嘛还来呢？

Why you even come then?

在我打过的三场比赛中，她都坐在后面，然后约翰会去接她，跟她说：‘盖布尔比完了。’

So she out of the three fights I've had, she's sat in the back, and and she'll be like, John will go and get her and and be like, Gable's done.

她会说，哦，发生什么事了？

And she'll like, oh, what happened?

约翰会说，很好。

And John will be like, good.

一整天都是这样。

It's all day.

她会紧张吗？

So does she get nervous?

那就是说

Is that what

是吗？

it is?

天啊。

Oh my god.

她满头大汗。

She's sweating.

她很紧张。

She's nervous.

但我只是想，如果这是那种情况，我会给她一个眼神提醒。

But I'm just like, I I kinda I'll give her that look of, like, if it's if this is one of them ones, I'm a tell you.

但我还没给过那种眼神。

But I haven't given those looks yet.

所以，没有。

So so no.

所以当你决定足球不进行了的时候。

So when you make this so you decide football's not gonna happen.

嗯。

Mhmm.

WWE也不会进行了。

WWE is not gonna happen.

你确实和某人进行过一场电视转播的比赛，对吧？

You did you did, like, one televised match with

WWE。

WWE.

对吧？

Right?

嗯。

Yeah.

那感觉怎么样？

What was that like?

说实话，因为我真实坦诚，我有段很棒的经历。

Honestly, I had a I had a great from from me being real and and honest, I had a great experience.

我对那里任何人都没有意见。

I have no no nothing wrong with anybody there.

TKO很棒。

TKO was great.

保罗·勒维斯克很棒。

H h h, Paul Levesque was great.

斯蒂芬妮、文斯，每个人都很好。

Stephanie Vince, everybody was great.

我只是有一种强烈的竞争欲望，需要释放出来。

I just had a competitive drive that I needed to get out.

所以，当你面临这种差距时，你无法同时兼顾两者。

And so, you know, when you have that gap is there, you can't do both.

对。

Right.

我当时试图兼顾两者，但并没有全身心投入事业。

And I was trying to bridge both, and I wasn't giving my 100% to the business.

如果我不愿为事业付出100%的努力，那还不如把我剔除，因为一切都结束了。

And if I'm not gonna give a 100% to the business, then you might as well x me out because it's already over with.

所以，事情其实就是这么发生的。

So, I just that's how that's practically how it happened.

对。

Yeah.

没有关于职业摔跤的幻灯片，但如果你真的想竞争，那就去竞争吧。

No slide on pro wrestling, but it's just like, if you really wanna compete, compete.

你必须全部释放出来。

You gotta get it all out.

是的。

Yeah.

所以，我希望将来能回去。

And so I I would love to go back in the future.

我很想再去参与一项运动，去赛场上去主宰一切，然后，嘿。

I would love to to to do a sport and go out there and dominate and then, hey.

也许在成为UFC重量级冠军之后。

Maybe after the UFC heavyweight champ.

当然。

For sure.

也许在几次之后。

Maybe after a couple times.

所以我很想去。

And so I I would love to go.

如果这意味着什么，我一定会再做一次，因为我对他们没有任何怨恨，事情就是这样。

And if it if it meant well, and I would do it again most definitely because I have no hard feelings to them, and and that's how it goes.

所以当你决定要进入综合格斗时，那是一种什么样的感觉？

So when you make the decision that you're going to go into MMA, what is that like?

也就是说，你采取了哪些步骤？

Like, what what are the steps that you take?

我结束 NCAA 比赛后，就飞到了迈阿密。

I got done with NCAAs, and I said I I flew down to Miami.

我见了约翰和其他几个人，说：嘿。

I met with John and a and a couple other people, I said, hey.

我想打比赛。

I wanna fight.

我的意思是，你知道，约翰让我加入了他们的训练营。

I mean, you know you know, John had me in his camp.

所以我们现在

So we're

在谈论约翰·琼斯。

talking about John Jones.

你确实认识他。

And did you Yes.

在那之前你认识约翰吗？

Did you know John before this?

我认识约翰，因为我从Instagram上认识他。

I knew John because I knew John from Instagram.

约翰喜欢摔跤。

John like wrestling.

所以我从Instagram上认识约翰。

So I knew John from IG.

他给我发了私信。

He sent me a DM.

他给了我他的电话号码。

He sent me his number.

如果你了解约翰，就知道他根本不会好好接电话，这太疯狂了。

And if you know John, he don't answer the phone worth anything, and it's crazy.

但他还是给了我他的电话号码。

But, he sent me his number.

他说：给我打电话。

He said, call me.

所以我给他打了电话，那是在他第一次参加Dipe比赛受伤之前。

So I called him, and this was before he got hurt for the first Dipe fight.

他说：我想让你来和我们一起训练。

He was like, I want you to come practice with us.

你知道，我需要一个摔跤搭档。

You know, I want a wrestling partner.

我离开他去踢足球了。

I left him and played football.

第二年就没了。

The next year comes no.

对不起。

I'm sorry.

我当时都不知道自己在哪儿。

I was I don't even know where I was at at the time.

但斯基普，我们进去了。

But Skip, we go in.

他说，我想让你回来参加第二期训练营。

He's like, I want you to come back for the second camp.

他正在经历这些。

He's going through it.

我和约翰一拍即合。

Me and John hit it off like that.

哇。

Wow.

我们一见面就合得来

We hit it off in

80年代的联赛。

80 league.

所以当你们在训练营开始一起训练时，是不是那时候你才真正意识到，这就是我想做的事？

So when you guys started training together in camp, is that when it really sunk in your head when you're like, this is what I wanna do?

是的。

Yeah.

他真的，真的，我需要有人帮我深深印刻在心里。

He really he really I needed somebody to kind of engrave it in me.

在摔跤方面，我有父亲。

With the wrestling, I had my father.

我有明尼苏达大学。

I had the University of Minnesota.

我身边有很多好人，时不时地提醒我。

I had a lot of good people around me kinda, like, say, hey.

我们就这么干。

This is how we're gonna do it.

你需要去的地方就在这里，这就是你要做的，事情就会这样发生。

This is where you need to go, and this how you're gonna this is how it's gonna happen.

当我看到约翰时，我看到了那种斗志，真是厉害。

And when I saw John, I saw that drive of, like, damn.

你知道吗，这家伙总能赢，别人能接近他，但就是超越不了他。

You know, this guy's winning, and and people get close, but they can't get past him.

为什么呢？

And why is that?

所以我认真地坐下来观察他的心态，观察他是如何处理很多事情的，他是如何与人交谈、打招呼、走路、出拳，甚至当他处于有利位置、需要脱身或休息双手时的样子。

So I really sat back and, like, watched his mental and, like, how he went about a lot of things, how he talked to people, how he greeted people, how he walked, how he punched, maybe how he looked when he was in the in the pocket, when he needed to get out, when he rested his hands.

我看到了一切，心里想：哇。

And I saw everything, and I was like, wow.

天啊，这家伙真是个超级巨星。

Like, man, this guy's a superstar.

超级超级明星。

Super superstar.

我们都明白。

And we all know that.

而且人们早就知道这一点了，但我真正看到了他，我当时就想，天啊。

And and and and people know that for a long time now, but I really saw him, and I was like, damn.

我想成为那样的人。

I wanna be that.

就是这一点彻底改变了我的想法。

And that's what kinda that's what flipped my switch right there.

这真是一个绝佳的机会。

What an amazing opportunity.

你知道，你从未打过综合格斗，但你

You know, you haven't done any MMA, and you

有机会进去和GOAT一起训练。

get to go in there and train with the GOAT.

太疯狂了。

It's crazy.

就这一个人。

This one man.

你知道，很难形容。

You know, it's hard to explain.

我跟别人说。

I tell people.

人们经常问我，第一次见到约翰是什么感觉？

People ask me all the time, like, what was it like, seeing John for the first time?

因为我当时25岁。

Because I'm 25.

当约翰处于巅峰状态时，我才12、13岁。

So when John was, like, super peak Mhmm.

我当时才12、13岁。

I was, like, 12, 13 years old.

我看着这个家伙击败了古斯塔夫森、雷耶斯和蒂亚戈·桑托斯这些人。

And I'm looking at this guy beat Gustafsson, Reyes, and Thiago Santos and stuff like that.

所以，这很不一样。

So it's, different.

你会看到人们不同的一面。

You see a different side of people.

当我看到约翰时，我心想：哇。

And and when I saw John, I was like, wow.

我一辈子都在看你，现在终于能亲眼见到你了。

Like, I've seen you for my whole life, and I get to see you in person.

这有多酷啊？

Like, how cool is that?

好吧。

Okay.

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对于很多人来说可能不知道，约翰那些看似接近的比赛，其实只是因为约翰在训练而已。

And for people that don't even know, the close fights that John had, they were really only close because John was in training.

事情就是这么简单。

That's really all it is.

没错。

That's true.

百分之百。

A 100%.

约翰当时在派对，他做的那些事，我称之为玩弄自己的食物。

John was partying, and he was what I would call playing with his food.

你知道的？

You know?

比如，他根本不喜欢，像格斯塔夫森那场战斗就是个完美例子。

Like, he he didn't like, to like, the Gustafson fight is a perfect example.

他根本没为格斯塔夫森那场比赛训练。

Didn't train at all for the Gustafson fight.

我的意思是，我跟格雷格·杰克逊聊过，他说我发誓，约翰几乎没露面。

I mean, I talked to Greg Jackson, and he was like, I swear to god, he barely showed up.

我觉得这太疯狂了。

I'm like, that is so crazy.

然后他在最后几回合硬撑了下来。

And then he gutted it out in the last rounds.

这才是最疯狂的地方。

That's what's crazy.

比赛判罚很接近，但他靠着在最后几回合拼尽全力赢了比赛，而那时他几乎没做任何力量和体能训练。

It's a close decision, but he wins the fight by gutting it out in the final rounds when he's done relatively no strength and conditioning.

什么都没做。

Nothing.

太疯狂了。

So crazy.

看到这一切真是太棒了。

It's fantastic to see.

然后在与古斯塔夫森的第二场比赛中真正被激发，彻底击败了他。

Then really gets motivated for the second fight with Gustafen and just smokes him.

完胜他。

Blows him out.

这正是你所期望的。

Which is what you expect.

当约翰处于巅峰状态时，他就是历史上最伟大的选手。

Which ex when John is in prime form, he's the greatest of all time.

毫无疑问。

Most definitely.

作为一个年轻人，如果你正在考虑从事综合格斗，并能与历史上最伟大的选手一起训练，现在成为两个级别的世界冠军。

For you to be able to be a young guy who's thinking about MMA and train with the the greatest of all time to do now two division world champion.

太疯狂了。

It's crazy.

绝佳的机会。

Amazing opportunity.

这太不可思议了，因为你不会立刻看到那个你眼中的顶尖人物。

And it's it's amazing because you don't see the guy that's you see the best of the best right away.

哇哦。

Whoop.

我们回来了。

We're back.

所以，不管怎样，我们刚才说到哪儿了？

So, anyway, where were we?

约翰·琼斯。

John Jones.

嗯。

Yeah.

所以你是说，你正在讲的是刚开始和他们训练时的感觉。

So you're saying you so you were you're talking about, like, what it's like to first start training with them.

所以你之前根本没接受过综合格斗训练吗？

So you're you had no MMA training really before that at all?

你只是和这个人稍微练过一点站立打击？

You had just been doing a little bit of striking with this guy?

乔，我跟你说真的。

Joe, I kid you not.

我根本不知道该怎么防御拳击。

I didn't know really how to defend punches.

这太疯狂了。

That's crazy.

怎么防御

How to

防御拳击，你可能看过他朝我踢膝的视频。

defend punches, and you you probably saw a video of him throwing the knee at me.

嗯。

Mhmm.

因为我太固执了。

Because I'm so hard headed.

我想去抱摔约翰，但那时候我全忘了。

I'm like, let me shoot on John, but whole time I forgot.

他可是全国冠军摔跤手。

He's a national championship wrestler.

对。

Right.

所以我不知道怎么防御拳击。

So I didn't know how to defend a punch.

我不知道怎么防御踢腿。

I didn't know how to defend a kick.

我什么都不会，但我还是进去了，说：嘿。

I didn't how to do anything, but I went in there and I said, hey.

如果你需要一个人，那必须是我。

If you need somebody, it's gotta be me.

我当时就是这么饿，我觉得现在的孩子们也应该有这种渴望机会的心态。

And and that's how hungry I was, and I feel like that's how kids should be nowadays about getting that opportunity.

伙计，一定要有饥饿感，因为总会有人尊重你。

Man, just be hungry because someone's gonna respect you.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

For sure.

但说实话，没多少人能获得这样的机会。

But, I mean, not a whole lot of people get that opportunity.

这真是个难得的机会。

That's a crazy opportunity.

而且，约翰本身也是一个顶尖的摔跤手。

It's also, like, John is an elite wrestler as well.

所以，能够学习如何将精英摔跤融入MMA的各个方面，并直接和约翰一起训练，这真是太棒了。

And so, like, learning how to incorporate elite wrestling into all the other aspects of MMA and to be able to go right into camp with John is just this is amazing.

不可思议的机会。

Incredible opportunity.

超级难得的机会。

Super incredible.

我每天都对此心怀感激。

I'm grateful for it every day.

尤其是直到今天，他仍然在我身边支持我。

And especially he's still here in my corner to this day.

今天我们早上还聊了。

We talked this morning.

即使我们不在比赛时，他依然给我所有建议和指导，教我该说什么、不该说什么，该如何为人处世、如何经营事业、如何结识和问候他人。

He's still giving me all the pointers, all the advice even when we're not even fighting, just telling me how I should say things, what I should say, how I need to go about life, how I need to go about business, and and meeting people, and and greeting people.

所以这真是

So it's it's a

真正的机遇。

true opportunity.

太棒了。

That's awesome.

真的很棒。

That's really awesome.

所以当你和他一起训练时，你正在经历整个训练营。

So when you're in camp with him, you're you're going through the camp.

那你当时是打算打综合格斗吗？还是说，这到底是怎么发生的？

Were you planning on MMA then, or, how do how does it work?

你当时在想什么？

Like, what were you think?

你刚和他一起训练的时候，是不是那一刻才真正点燃了你的热情？

Were you just, like the moment you started training with him, is that when it really started the fire in you?

是的。

Yes.

我对它有点热情。

I had a little bit of burn for it.

但只是在你心里某个角落。

But Like, in the back of your mind.

是的。

Yes.

但这点热情，你得有颗心。

But a little burn, you gotta have the heart.

嗯。

Mhmm.

你得有颗心。

You gotta have the heart.

所以让我下定决心的是，我和他一起去过麦迪逊广场花园，约翰那时就在做约翰该做的事，你知道的，就是当他的超级巨星。

So what what kinda what was the stamp on it was I went to I went to Madison Square Garden with him, and and John was just doing John things, you know, just being a superstar.

每个人都认识他。

Everybody knew who he was.

我当时就想，天啊，他拿了奥运金牌，也许我也该拿一些什么了。

I was like, man, know, got Olympic gold medal, you know, like maybe I should be getting some too.

你知道的，约翰稍微给我指明了方向。

Like, you know, like John showed me the way a little bit.

所以我努力让他带我走这条路，他带我去每一个地方，认识每一个人，向我展示他拥有的机会。

So I'm trying to have him show me the way He's bringing me to every place, meeting every person, you know, showing me the opportunities that he has.

他看着我，说：你也可以拥有这一切。

And he looks at me, and he was like, you can have this too.

那简直是画龙点睛之笔，但我们可以再加一层——当他赢得比赛时，我和他一起举着奖杯。

And that was kind of the cherry on the top, but we can put another cherry on the top and do a double one when he won the fight, and then I'm holding the belt with him.

我面对面看着这个人，你知道的，他是那天地球上最受欢迎的人。

And I I see this guy face to face, and, you know, he just the the most popular man on earth for that day.

那一刻真是让人惊叹。

And it's kinda like, wow.

你其实很少有机会看到幕后的时刻。

Like, you don't get you don't really get to see the backstage moments.

你看到的是那个人在电视上打比赛，但我却看到了后台所有人跟他合影、与明星们互动的场景。

You get to see the guy go out there on TV and fight, but I got to see the backstage of everyone taking the pictures with him, the superstars.

你知道吗，我走出尼克斯队的比赛现场时，看到了奎恩·拉蒂法，我心想：天啊。

You know, I'm walking out the Knicks game, and I see Queen Latifah, and I'm like, damn.

那是奎恩·拉蒂法。

That's Queen Latifah.

而我正和奎恩·拉蒂法自拍呢。

And who I'm I'm taking a selfie with Queen Latifah.

我心想：哇。

I'm like, yo.

我可以把这张照片发给我妈吗？

Can I take can I send this to my mom?

她回答：当然可以。

And she's like, yeah.

去吧。

Go ahead.

我看到Fat Joe在和他以及所有人交谈，我当时就想，哇。

And I see Fat Joe talking to him and everybody, and I'm like, wow.

这就是成为真正拳击明星的样子。

Like, this is what it is to be like a real fighting star.

拳击是一对一的，人们就想看人打拳。

Like and and fighting is one on one, and people wanna watch someone fight.

但在其他运动中，就像我们之前说的，是一整支队伍，戴着头盔，穿着球衣。

But I think in in other sports, like we talked about earlier, there's a full team with helmets on, with jerseys on.

但在拳击中，人们想见的就是那个酷炫的家伙。

But in fighting, people wanna meet that badass dude.

嗯。

Mhmm.

他们想见冠军，而那就是我想成为的人。

And they wanna meet the champ, and that's what I wanna be.

对。

Yeah.

那么和约翰训练是什么感觉？

So what is what is training with John like?

训练营是什么样的？

Like, what is the training camp like?

你知道，你显然没有和其他顶尖拳手一起进过训练营，但约翰与众不同的一个地方是，他从不接任何轻率的比赛。

Like, when you know, you you obviously haven't gone into training camp with any other elite fighters, but one of the more interesting that separates John from everybody else is, like, John doesn't take no short notice fights.

约翰会为每个人制定战术计划。

John game plans for everybody.

他研究对手的习惯。

He studies tendencies.

他的比赛智商——我的意思是，很明显，他确实拥有所有这些能力。

He's his fight IQ I mean, it's obvious obviously, he has obviously, he has everything.

他显然具备所有技能。

He obviously has all the skills.

他显然有所有的动力和其他一切，但最重要的是他的比赛智商。

Obviously, he has all the drive and everything else, but the fight IQ is the big one.

这才是关键。

That's the big one.

因为如果你没有一个好司机，车再快又有什么用？

Because if you don't have a good driver, who gives a fuck how fast your car is?

没错。

True.

真正重要的是背后那颗头脑

It's really the mind behind it that puts

全部整合在一起。

it all together.

他坐在一辆法拉利里，加的是法拉利专用油。

He's he's sitting in a Ferrari with Ferrari gas.

很多人坐在法拉利里却加了87号汽油，车就开不动了。

A lot of people sit in a Ferrari with 87 gas, and a car don't work.

嗯。

Mhmm.

所以当我看到他观察别人的那些习惯时，现在他也会对我这么做，他会给我发Instagram上顶级UFC选手的视频，让我看他是怎么迈步的。

So when I when I got to see those tendencies of him watching people and he does it to me now where where he'll send me videos on Instagram of of the top UFC guys, but go watch how he steps.

你知道，看他出拳时怎么收回，他不会以某种特定方式重新调整姿势。

You know, watch when he throws a punch how he comes back and he doesn't reset this certain way.

他其实已经在潜移默化地把这些习惯灌输给我了。

He's kind of already installing installing those tendencies than me.

所以以前我练摔跤时，从来不去看别人摔跤。

And so now when I was wrestling, I never used to watch people wrestle.

我就自己冒险上场，直接把对手打趴下。

Like, I I went out there on a limb, and I was just beating guys.

即使在奥运会上，我也从不看别人摔跤。

Even in Olympics, I never watched anyone wrestle.

我从不看他们的比赛录像。

I never watched their film.

真的吗？

Really?

从来没有。

Never.

我告诉教练们，不要给我看任何视频，因为我不想只关注他做的那一件事，那是我太固执了。

I told coaches, don't show me one video because I don't wanna focus on that one thing he did, and that was me being hardheaded.

比如，如果一个选手的双膝抱摔特别厉害，我会想，天啊。

Like, if if a guy had a great double leg, and I'm like, damn.

我该怎么防住这个双膝抱摔？

How do I stop this double leg?

我担心的是如何防住双膝抱摔，而不是专注于自己的进攻。

And I'm worried about stopping a double leg instead of doing my offense.

所以我从不看别人比赛。

And so I never watched anybody.

我去参加奥运会时，说：给我看看我要对阵的选手，咱们直接上场吧。

I went to the Olympics, and I said, show me show me the guys I'm wrestling, and I said, let's do it.

你知道吗

Do you know how

现在很多人都会这么做。

many guys right now would do it.

来吧。

Come on.

撞墙

Banging their

听着这些话，心里想：天哪。

head against the wall, listening to this, going about Damn.

他对我做了这种事？

He did that to me?

太疯狂了。

That's crazy.

我说，咱们干吧。

I said, let's do it.

我说，无论是我还是你，都只能背水一战。

I said, as me or you is do or die.

在这个比赛中，我不会死。

And this tournament, I'm not dying.

你不可能以任何方式击败我。

Like, you can't beat me in any way possible.

当我有这种心态时，我状态最好，而他正把这种心态重新带给我，我感觉非常好。

And that's when I was at my best when I had that mindset, and he's kinda putting that back into me, and I feel really good about it.

这太棒了。

That's amazing.

太惊人了。

It's amazing.

当他给你发视频时，你有没有，呃，保存所有这些东西？

So when he's sending you videos, like, do you have, like, a do do you save all this shit?

你有没有，比如，一个文件夹？

Do you have, like, a folder?

你

Where you

你有所有这些不同的选手和不同的招式吗？

have all these different fighters and different moves?

因为你基本上是刚接触这个领域，嗯。

Because you're you're basically brand new Mhmm.

对某件事来说。

At something.

但所以，让我告诉你我之前说过的话。

But so, like, this let me just tell you some what I said.

你打过一场MMA比赛，用左勾拳打中那个家伙，然后在他失去意识时把他摔倒在地。

You had a a fight, an MMA fight where you hit that dude with a left hook and then took him down while he was out cold.

我给达纳·怀特发了一条短信。

I sent Dana White a text message.

我说，所有人都完蛋了。

I said, everyone's fucked.

我确实做到了。

I did.

嗯，我很感激。

Well, I appreciate it.

谢谢你。

Thank you.

因为我当时就想，那

Because I was like, that

那种速度太疯狂了。

kind of speed is crazy.

那种速度再加上顶级摔跤，简直太疯狂了。

Like, that kind of speed and incorporated with elite wrestling is crazy.

我觉得，现在重量级分量这么浅薄。

I'm like, what do you the the heavyweight division is so shallow right now.

嗯。

Mhmm.

你有汤姆·阿斯平all、西里尔·盖恩、如果乔恩·琼斯选择复出，还有弗朗西斯，如果奇迹发生，他们能谈妥并让他重返UFC。

You got Tom Aspinall, Cyril Gane, Jon Jones if he chooses to fight again, Francis, if some by some miracle, they can work something out and bring him back to the UFC.

除此之外，没有其他人能让人觉得有冠军级别的实力。

Other than that, there's no one compelling for, like, a championship caliber fighter.

嗯。

Mhmm.

世界上基本上只有四五个家伙具备这种冠军级别的实力，没错。

It's there's basically four or five guys on Earth that are in this, like, championship caliber, like Yes.

而你已经达到了这个水平，这太疯狂了。

Class, and you're already there, which is nuts.

你甚至还没在UFC打过比赛。

You haven't even fought in the UFC yet.

当我看你移动和比赛时，我就想，好吧。

When I watched you move and I watched you fight, I was like, okay.

你怎么才能阻止他？

How do you stop that?

到底谁有这种本事？嗯。

Like, what what do you who is who's got the skills Mhmm.

能够阻止他吗？

To be able to stop that?

在我看来，只有少数几个人会构成麻烦。

And in my mind, there's, like, only a few guys where it's gonna be a problem.

就是像弗朗西斯·恩加诺、西里尔·戈恩斯和汤姆·阿斯平纳尔那样的人。

It is like the Francis Ngannos, the the, you know, the Cyril Gons and the Tom Aspinals.

就这些了。

That's it.

只有少数几个人，其他人都还在上升途中。

There's, a few guys and everybody else on the way up.

唯一的问题是你找不到比赛打。

It's the only problem is gonna be you getting fights.

一个250磅重的人拥有这种速度，简直不可思议。

Like, that that kind of speed is just bananas for a two hundred fifty pound man.

你知道的？

You know?

当你拥有这样的天赋并且只有25岁时，这在MMA中是非常罕见的现象，简直令人难以置信，因为重量级是最重要的级别。

And when you have that and you're 25 years old, it's like this is a you know, it's a very rare thing that you see in MMA, and it's kind of crazy because the heavyweight division is, of course, the most prestigious division

是的。

Yes.

世界上。

In the world.

UFC重量级冠军是地球上最凶猛的家伙。

The heavyweight champion of the UFC is the baddest motherfucker on the planet.

而现在，这有点难分胜负。

And, you know, right now, it's it's kind of a toss-up.

对吧？

Right?

因为西里尔·加恩刚和阿斯皮纳尔打过一场。

Because Cyril Gan had this fight with Aspinall.

约翰有点半退役状态，或者他决定做什么都行。

John is kind of semi retired or whatever he decides to do.

这嘛，现在还不太确定。

It's, you know, it's kinda up in the air.

嗯。

Mhmm.

他可能还会打一场。

He'll probably have one more fight.

对吧？

Right?

我希望他能打。

I I want him to.

我觉得他还有实力。

I think he's got the juice in him.

白宫。

The White House.

对。

Yeah.

他会喜欢白宫的。

He would love the White House.

嗯。

Yeah.

他多次告诉我，他想在白宫担任主赛，希望我排在他后面几个场次，让我们俩都赢，这正是他最后的心愿。

He's told me many times he wants he wants to be main event on the White House, and he wants me to be a couple slots behind him and and kinda have us both win, and that's that's his last leg right there.

我真的很希望他再打一场。

I would love I would love for him to do one more.

如果他内心真的想打，他就应该打。

If if he really wanted to in his heart, he should.

但如果他不想，约翰就不会。

But if he doesn't, John's not

他不会打的。

gonna do it.

他们应该安排亚历克斯·佩雷拉和他在白宫对决。

They should do Alex Pereira and him at the White House.

我跟别人说过。

I I told people.

我说过，亚历克斯·佩雷拉会是汤姆的绝佳对手。

I said, Alex Pereira would be a great matchup for Tom.

一个重量级版本的BMF腰带。

A a a heavyweight version of the BMF belt.

你明白我的意思吗？

You know what I'm saying?

这会完美极了。

It'll be perfect.

除了两个家伙走出去打一场，别的什么都不重要。

There's there's nothing else to it besides two guys going out there.

这是亚历克斯·佩雷拉，最厉害的轻重量级选手，而乔恩·琼斯现在就是最厉害的重量级选手。

It's Alex Pereira, the baddest light light heavyweight, and that's Jon Jones' baddest heavyweight right now.

没错。

Yeah.

无论其他人是否拥有腰带，乔恩·琼斯仍然是最强的重量级选手。

And regardless if someone else has the belt, Jon Jones is still the baddest heavyweight out there.

对于琼斯来说，腰带根本毫无意义。

It doesn't the belt doesn't mean jack shit when it's Jones.

嗯嗯。

Mm-mm.

这并不意味着

Doesn't mean

什么狗屁。

jack shit.

确实不意味着。

It doesn't.

你知道的，有很多选手都能做到这一点。

It's you know, there's so many fighters could do that.

他们可以干脆离开腰带，放弃腰带，然后回来，但真正重要的始终是选手本人。

They could just step away from the belts, abandon the belts, and then come back and all it's really just about the fighter.

每个人都知道约翰是谁。

Everybody knows who John is.

每个人都知道约翰做什么。

Everybody knows what John does.

就像人们愿意付钱，你根本不需要腰带。

It's like people will pay to you don't need a belt.

腰带没有任何意义。

A belt doesn't mean anything.

不。

No.

这真是个疯狂的故事。

This is a crazy story.

我我有一只法国斗牛犬去世了。

I I came my I had a French bulldog that passed away.

所以我喜欢出去领养法国斗牛犬，给它们更好的家，要么把它们送到新家，要么自己留下。

So I like to go out there and I adopt French bulldogs, and I kinda give them a better home, and I either ship them to a new home or I keep them.

当时，我有一个朋友的法国斗牛犬。

And so at the time, I had a baby friend's bulldog.

它去世了，我告诉约翰：嘿。

He passed away, and I I told John, was like, yo.

我的狗死了。

My dog died.

我得回家。

I gotta go home.

他让我回家了。

He let me go home.

我回来的时候，是星期二。

I came back, and I came back on a Tuesday.

我直到星期四才见到约翰。

I didn't see John till Thursday.

你要知道，这距离他要去那里见斯蒂普只有一周了。

And mind you, this is a week before he's gonna go out there for Stipe.

他病得很重，特别严重。

He's sick, like super sick.

我看到这个家伙在周四打了五回合，他们派了五个新人去对付他，而他已经精疲力尽。

And I watched this guy do five rounds on a Thursday, and they sent they shark baited him, five new people, and he's dead tired.

就在那时，我知道他根本停不下来。

And this is when I knew he was unstoppable.

他上场了。

He went out there.

没人能碰得了他，我跟你说，顶级的PFL选手、前UFC选手、前荣耀踢拳手一个个上去挑战他，全都被他轻松碾压。

Nobody could touch And I'm telling you, high class PFL fighters, ex UFC fighters, ex glory kickboxers were going in there after him, and he was just mopping them.

我当时就想，天啊。

And I was like, damn.

这哥们儿已经超越了下一个级别。

This dude is beyond next level.

那时候你真的得亲眼看看什么是伟大。

And that was like, you know, you gotta see greatness.

嗯。

Mhmm.

我在比赛中看到了，但你也得看看这人在比赛前是怎么变得伟大的。

And I see it at the fight, but you also gotta see it when how does this guy be great before the fight?

我看到了，心想：天哪。

And I saw that, and I was like, goddamn.

我说：不好意思，约翰。

I said, excuse me, John.

你觉得我能跟你一起进去吗？

You think I can go in there with you?

他回答：不行。

And he was like, no.

我就问：为什么你觉得不行？

And I was like, why do you think so?

他说：你不懂怎么防守。

He was like, you don't know how to defend.

这其实是个有点搞笑的笑话，因为那个家伙的搭档受伤了。

And it was kind of a funny joke because the guy a partner got hurt.

我当时就举起了手。

And I was like, I raised my hand.

我跟格雷格·杰克逊说了。

I told Greg Jackson.

我对格雷格说：‘格雷格，让我进去吧。’

I said, Greg, let me in there.

格雷格说：‘今天不行，盖布尔。’

And Greg was like, not today, Gable.

那时候我根本不知道怎么防守。

And this is when I didn't know how to defend or anything.

他说：‘盖布，今天不行。’

He was like, Gabe, not today.

我当时就想：‘老天，为什么？’

And I was like, man, why?

你知道，我

You know, I

我可以进去然后

can go in there and

把他放倒。

take him down.

他却说，这不一样。

And he was like, this is different.

当我看到那一幕时，那在我眼中就是极致的伟大，因为我喜欢努力的人。

And when I saw that, that was like the epitome of, like, super greatness in my eyes because I like hard workers.

我喜欢那些打斗凶猛的人。

I like guys that beat on guys.

我不喜欢那些出去只做些小动作来装酷的人。

I don't like guys that go out there and and and do the little extras that they to look cool.

我的意思是，直接出去统治全场，然后回家。

I mean, just go out there and dominate, and let's go home.

我看到了，我就想，没错。

And I saw that, and I was like, yeah.

斯蒂普完了。

It's over with for Stipe.

这会是个漫长的夜晚。

It's gonna be a long night.

不幸的是，他们相遇时，斯蒂普已经打了太多场比赛。

Well, unfortunately, they met when Stipe had already had a lot of miles on the clock.

打了太多场比赛。

A lot of miles.

约翰依然处于顶尖水平。

John was still elite.

令人难以置信的是，约翰在36岁时竟然开发出了真正的后旋踢。

It's crazy that John essentially developed a spinning back kick, a real spinning back kick when he's 36 years old.

太疯狂了。

Crazy.