JRE MMA秀第174期：特伦斯·克劳福德

有这么多不同的拳手都被列为史上最伟大的，但你现在也进入了这个讨论。

There's all these different fighters they put as the greatest of all time, but you are now in that conversation.

这一定很棒吧。

That's gotta be nice.

太美好了。

It's beautiful.

你知道吗？

You know?

尤其是我并没有付出那么多努力，却能站上这项运动的巅峰。

Especially all the hard work that I didn't put in to be here at that pinnacle of the sport.

你知道吗？

You know?

从七岁起，我就开始打拳了。

Since I was seven years old, I've been boxing.

我一直都在打比赛。

I've been fighting.

从第一天起，我就一直是个拳手。

I've been a fighter since day one.

当人们把我跟糖雷·罗宾逊、弗洛伊德·梅威瑟、糖雷·伦纳德这些传奇人物比较，讨论谁会赢、谁会赢时，这让我知道我在拳坛上做得非常出色。

So when people compare me to, like, Sugar Ray Robinson and Floyd Mayweather and Sugar Ray Leonard comparing me to who will win, who will win, that just let me know that I did my job well in the sport.

你确实做到了。

Oh, you absolutely did.

你现在真的彻底退役了吗？

Now you definitely done done?

一切都结束了。

It's over with.

真的结束了吗？

It's definitely over?

是的。

Yeah.

我没什么可失去的了，所以我跟几个密友说过。

I don't got no so I told I told a couple of my close friends.

我说，好吧。

I said, okay.

从2014年起，我就一直在为某个头衔而战。

Since 2014, I've been fighting for something, a title.

我在2014年3月赢得了第一个头衔。

I won my first title in 2014, March 2014.

从那以后，我一直为各种头衔而战，统一头衔，统一头衔，统一头衔，统一的。

Ever since then, I've been fighting for titles, undisputed titles, undisputed, undisputed titles, undisputed.

就像我一直以来所争取的一切。

Like, just everything that I've been fighting for.

现在我回来了，就只是觉得，好吧。

Now I just come back, and it's just like, alright.

那动力是什么？

What what's the motivation?

只是为了钱吗？

Just money?

你知道的。

You know?

好吧。

Like, alright.

那在那之上还有什么？

So what what is on top of that?

你知道的。

You know?

因为我的想法是，钱自然会来。

Because my my thing was the money gonna come.

不。

No.

我一次次接受降薪，因为我清楚自己退役后想留下怎样的遗产。

I was taking pay cuts after pay cuts after pay cuts because I knew what I wanted my legacy to be when I finished boxing.

我希望被铭记为历史上最伟大的冠军之一。

I want to be remembered as one of the greatest champions of all time.

你知道吗？

You know?

我觉得我确实做到了。

And I think I I did that.

你知道吗？

You know?

所以现在，我最后一场拳赛，巅峰时刻，对我来说没有任何比这更好的结局了。

So now it's like this last fight that I had, the height of it, there's no better finish than that to me.

是的。

Yeah.

从我出身的背景出发，面对那么多不利条件，我经历了那么多艰辛、训练再训练，才走到那场拳赛，你知道，简直就像——天啊，你每一步都做对了。

What what was on the line coming from where I came from, all the odds that was stacked against me, all the things that I had to go through and camp and camp to get to that fight, you know, it was just like, man, you did everything right.

那还有什么能超越这个呢？

So what what can top that?

我太喜欢这个了。

I love that.

我喜欢拳手像那样在巅峰时退役。

I love when fighters go out on top like that.

对于一个拳手来说，像你这样带着所有冠军经验、参加过多个重量级且保持不败，并击败了卡内罗——另一位传奇巨星——退役，真是太棒了。

And for for a fighter to go out like you have with all your championship experience, all the weight classes you competed in undefeated and beat Canelo, another all time great.

我的意思是，这简直是完美的谢幕。

I mean, that is that is a perfect finale

是的。

Yeah.

为一段辉煌的职业生涯画上句号。

For a spectacular career.

这太酷了。

It's pretty dope.

当然。

For sure.

而且还能在保持清醒头脑、身体健康、财富充裕的情况下退役。

And go out with your faculties intact, your health intact, plenty of money.

这很好。

It's nice.

这太美了，因为没人知道我们这些拳手为了取悦粉丝付出了多少。

It's it's it's beautiful because nobody knows what us fighters adore to get to the point to entertain the fans.

你知道，我们经历了很多。

You know, we go through a lot.

你知道吗？

You know?

我们让身体承受了太多。

We put our body through a lot.

当一切结束，当我们的身体垮到无法照顾自己的地步时，他们却毫不在意。

And then when it's all said and done, when our body broke down to the point where we can't take care of ourself, they don't care about us.

他们只会说，哦，他曾经是个好冠军，我们去看比赛。

They're gonna say, oh, well, he was once a good champion, and we go to the fights.

你经常看到一些老拳手来观赛，但人们只是从他们身边走过。

You see a lot of old fighters showing up to the fights, and people just walk past them.

是的。

Yeah.

你知道吗？

You know?

他们已经去找下一个了。

They on to the next.

哦，让我们看看那个年轻选手。

Oh, let's see the young fighter.

你知道吗？

You know?

就好像他们把你榨干，直到你一无所有，然后就把你忘了。

And it's like they use you up till you have nothing left, then they forget about you.

是的。

Yeah.

你知道吗？

You know?

所以对这些拳手来说，首先考虑健康至关重要，因为一旦结束，就真的结束了，健康是无法挽回的。

So it's it's very critical for these fighters to think about their health first because once it's once it's over with, it's over with, and you can't you can't get your health back.

没错。

Right.

钱 elsewhere 总能再赚，但一旦你

You can always get money elsewhere, but once you can't

你的脑子就出问题了，是的。

your mind is messed up Yeah.

一切都结束了。

It's over with.

这对年轻拳手来说也是一个很好的教训，能看到像你这样全心投入、自律、坚持到底、最终功成身退的人。

That's such a good lesson for young fighters to see too, to see a guy like yourself be fully dedicated, so disciplined, get through the whole thing, get out on top, and done.

是的。

Yeah.

许多拳手都说过类似的话，但几年过去后，他们的身份却完全与拳击绑在了一起。

And so many fighters have said that, and then a couple years go by, their identity is wrapped up in fighting.

他们会觉得，嘿，我还能再打一场，然后你知道的，可能他们买了很多虚假的东西。

They go, man, I think I got one more in me, and then, you know, maybe they're buying a lot of shit.

嗯。

Mhmm.

这才是真正的问题。

That's the real problem.

是的。

Yeah.

真正的问题总是这样，你知道，我还能再打一场。

The real It's always gonna be that, you know, I got I got another one in me.

我还能再打一场，因为他们错过了那种全场粉丝为他们呐喊、灯光摄像机全部聚焦的巅峰时刻，他们怀念那种感觉。

I got another one in me because they missed that that high of all the fans chanting their name and everybody, you know, cameras, lights, and, you know, they they miss it.

你知道的？

You know?

但我一直就是这种人。

But I was always that type of person.

我不在乎那些东西。

I didn't care about all that.

我真的做不到。

I really can't.

你们拿走那些灯光吧。

Y'all can have the lights.

只要付我钱，我就躲到某个角落去，照顾我的家人，你知道的。

Just just pay me, and I go under the rock somewhere, you know, take care of my family.

你知道的。

You know?

我从来就不是那种想整天泡在媒体里、成为焦点的人。

I never was a guy that wanted to be all up in the media and wanted to be the center of attention.

为什么？

How come?

因为我就这性格。

Because that's just me.

我早就知道我这么做是为了什么。

I already knew what I was doing it for.

我从来不是为了出名才做这些的。

I never was doing it to be famous.

你知道的。

You know?

我从不带着一大群人到处走来吸引注意。

I don't walk around with a whole entourage to get noticed.

你知道的，我会保持低调。

You know, I'll be under the radar.

我喜欢这样。

I do like that.

你总是自己一个人出现。

You show up by yourself.

但有一次，你去参加了某场UFC比赛，有人认出你是肯德里克·拉马尔，还把你的名字放到了大屏幕上。

But one time, you showed up at one of the UFCs, and someone said you were Kendrick Lamar, and they put it on the fucking screen.

我当时在做直播，没注意到，但我心想：你们是不是疯了？你们在搞格斗运动，居然不知道特伦斯·克劳福德是谁？

And I didn't catch it cause I was doing the broadcast, but I was like, are you guys out of your fuck you don't know who Terence Crawford is and you're in combat sports?

是的。

Mhmm.

这太疯狂了。

This is crazy.

我觉得他们是故意这么做的。

I think they did that on purpose.

不。

No.

不可能。

No way.

绝对不可能。

No way.

嗯，他们也是。

Well, they too.

不。

No.

不。

No.

不。

No.

不。

No.

不。

No.

就是卡车里有个傻瓜。

It was just some moron in the truck.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

不。

No.

百分之百。

A 100%.

他们不是故意这么做的。

They did not do that on purpose.

对。

Right.

UFC里没人会这样对你不敬。

No one in the UFC would ever disrespect you like that.

没人会这样对你不敬。

No one would disrespect you like that.

不可能。

No chance.

是的。

Yeah.

我坐在所有人旁边，心想：他们真的刚刚那样做了吗？

I was sitting next to to everybody, and I was like, did they really just do that?

没有。

No.

他们并不是故意那样做的。

They did they did not do that on purpose.

是的。

Yeah.

那只是一个傻瓜，莫名其妙地把你当成肯德里克·拉马尔了。

That was just some dumbass that thought that you were Kendrick Lamar for some reason.

对。

Yeah.

真是太蠢了。

It was so stupid.

然后我觉得他们在直播中后来纠正了这个错误。

And then I think they corrected it later in the broadcast.

我不知道他是谁。

I don't know who it was.

对。

Right.

我根本不想知道。

I didn't even wanna know.

我会整死他们。

I'd jello them.

但是

But

当然了。

For sure.

当然了。

For sure.

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但你行事一向很低调。

But that's you roll very low key.

我的意思是，你不会带着一大群人出现。

Like, you don't show up with an entourage.

你知道的。

You know?

很多时候，你都是一个人。

A lot of times, you're just by yourself.

是的。

Yeah.

你知道的。

You know?

对于一个像你这样取得如此成就的人来说，这并不寻常。

And that's unusual for a guy who's achieved as much as you've achieved.

对。

Yeah.

人们会非常惊讶，比如他们在机场看到我时。

People would be so, like, surprised that, you know, they'll see me in the airport.

他们会说：‘就你一个人？’

They'd be like, you by yourself?

我会说，是的。

I'm like, yeah.

我会说，天啊，这太疯狂了。

I'm like, man, this is crazy.

我总是想象你身边跟着保镖，一大群随从。

I would always imagine you with security guards, big entourage.

对吧。

Right.

不是的。

No.

我的意思是，那只是账单而已。

I mean, that's just a bill.

是的。

Yeah.

因为你知道，你得付钱给所有那些围绕在你身边的人。

Because, you know, you gotta pay all them people to be around you.

这也对。

That's true too.

懂吗？

Know?

我从不闲着。

I ain't chilling.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，每次你去录音室，都是自己一个人去的。

I mean, every time you've showed up at the studio, you showed up by yourself.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，这对年轻拳手来说是个很好的例子，让他们明白，归根结底，你到底是为了什么而奋斗？

I mean, it's a that's another good example for young fighters to realize, like, at the end of the day, what are you really doing it for?

你知道，所有那些其他乱七八糟的东西，比如关注和名声，都是短暂的。

You know, all that other bullshit, all the attention and stuff, that's it's very temporary.

转瞬即逝。

It's very fleeting.

嗯。

Mhmm.

它会消失的。

It goes away.

传承。

Legacy.

传承和你成就的荣耀，才会永存。

Legacy and the glory of your accomplishments, that stays forever.

以及真正懂拳击的人对你的尊重。

And the respect of people in boxing that really know.

是的

Yeah.

当然

For sure.

是的

Yeah.

这就是一切的意义所在，而你已经拥有了。

That's what that's what it's all about, and you've got that.

现在所有人都给我闭嘴。

Now everybody has to shut the fuck up.

是的

Yeah.

他们

They

确实如此。

do.

每个人都必须闭嘴。

Everybody has to shut the fuck up.

甚至那些说过‘卡内罗确实赢了’的人。

Even the people that said that, oh, Canelo's did stop.

你们就是那些说卡内罗会击倒他的人。

You were the same people saying Canelo was gonna stop him.

你们就是那些说埃罗尔·斯彭斯会击倒我的人。

You're the same people that's saying Errol Spence was gonna stop me.

就是那些说马德罗夫会击倒我的人，没错。

Same people that's saying Madromoff was gonna stop me Yep.

诸如此类。

And so forth.

所以事情发展到今天，他们必须接受这个事实了。

So it just got to the point where they just they can't they gotta accept it now.

天啊，我早就看这家伙不顺眼了。

It's like, man, I've been hating on this dude for so long.

你知道吧？

You know?

他一次又一次地证明我错了。

And he's just been proving me wrong time after time.

不如干脆给他送上赞颂吧。

It's like, let me just give him his flowers.

算了吧。

Forget it.

你知道吧？

You know?

这太棒了。

That's beautiful.

对于年轻拳手来说，这真是非常好的榜样。

And for young fighters, it's it's such a good thing to watch.

年轻拳手能有一个如此鼓舞人心的榜样真是太好了，能见到有人真正做到了，并且做得完美，而且方式非常独特——因为，就像你说的，你是自马文·哈格勒以来最出色的左右手切换拳手，甚至可能是最出色的。

It's so good for young fighters to have an inspirational figure, to have someone who really does it and does it perfectly and does it in a way that is very unusual because, like, you're one of the best switch hitters since Marvin Hagler, if not the best.

嗯。

Mhmm.

你知道吗？

You know?

那个神。

And, that god.

那是一项被严重低估的技能。

That is such an underrated skill.

太搞笑了。

It was so funny.

有一次你在这儿的时候，你告诉我，你的教练——他的教练——让你别这么干。

One of the times you were in here, you you were telling me that his coach your coach told you stop doing that.

是的。

Yeah.

他说，你得专注于以正统的方式打拳，而不是切换到南极式。

And he was like, you need to focus on fighting orthodox the right way instead of switching to south pole.

我当时就想，好吧。

I was just like, alright.

再切换成南极式。

Switch south pole again.

然后他就说，好吧。

Then it was just like he was like, alright.

如果你非要这么做，那我们就这么练。

Well, if you're gonna do that, we're train like that.

我当时就说，好吧。

I was like, alright.

我们就这么练吧，因为我老是切换，因为这太自然了。

Let's train like it because I'm a keep switching because it just came so natural.

是的。

Yeah.

我会在那儿的。

I'll be in there.

砰。

Boom.

砰。

Boom.

砰。

Boom.

砰。

Boom.

然后我就只是切换了，完全没多想。

And then they'll just I just switched, like, unthinking.

是的。

Yes.

老天，你知道，就是我赢了，我赢了。

Man, you know, it was just I win, and I win.

他当时说，我们要像这样训练。

He was like, we're fight like we're gonna train like that.

嗯，这是拳击中一个被严重低估的方面，如果你能做到的话，因为每次切换时你都必须重新调整所有动作的来源。

Well, it's such a underrated aspect of boxing if you can do it because you have to recalibrate where everything is coming from every time you switch.

不同的角度，所有这些。

Different angles, all that.

在综合格斗中，这已经变得很普遍了。

In MMA, it's become commonplace.

在综合格斗初期，很多人总是保持一种站姿。

In the beginning of MMA, it was a lot of people would stand one way or the other.

但现在，越来越多的年轻人在不断切换，因为这样可以隐藏组合拳。

And now a large percentage of these young guys coming up are constantly switching because it hides combinations.

它能隐藏各种不同的技术。

It hides different techniques.

嗯。

Mhmm.

在综合格斗中，通过切换姿势你能做很多不同的动作，因为你一边切换一边踢击。

There's so many different things you could do in MMA off a switch because you're switching and kicking.

你切换姿势的同时还在出拳。

You're switching and punching.

你正在踢击，然后现在你变成了反架，出的是左拳而不是右拳。

You're kicking, and then now you're in southpaw, and you're throwing left hands instead of right hands.

事情变得太多了，大脑需要处理这么多不同的信息，负担太重了。

It's like things are come there's so much overload of the mind where you have to calculate all these different things.

如果你不经常和一个擅长切换姿势的狡猾对手对练，上场后可能会被彻底打乱。

And if you don't spar on a regular basis with a very crafty guy who switches a lot, it could fuck you up inside the cage.

是的。

Yeah.

因为有些人在一侧的优势比另一侧更大。

Because some people, they have better chances on one side than the other.

你知道的。

You know?

当你切换到他们那边时，就会觉得：唉，我真不喜欢打反架选手。

And then when you switch on them, it's just like, oh, I hate fighting southpaws.

对。

Right.

你知道的？

You know?

他们只是在大脑里做了一些调整，你知道的，因为他们可能往一个方向移动时比另一个方向更慢。

And they just do something to their brain, you know, because they might be slower moving one way than the other way.

当突然间刺拳变成了右边和左边时，一切看起来都那么奇怪，你的大脑必须得，比如

Well, everything looks so weird when all of sudden the jab's on the right side and the left, and then you you your brain has to, like

得担心钩拳了，而不是直拳。

Gotta worry about the hook now instead of the straight

一切都变了。

Everything's different.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，我不知道会有多少年轻拳手看到你的例子后，从职业生涯早期就开始这样训练，因为过去普遍认为你只能选择一种站姿，无论是左撇子还是右撇子，就要一直坚持下去。

It's I mean, I wonder how many young fighters are going to see your example and start training that very early in their career now because I think it's the the conventional wisdom was that you have one stance, whether it's southpaw or orthodox, stick with that.

像哈格勒这样的少数例外确实存在，但总体上还是坚持一种站姿。

There's a few outliers like Hagler, but for the most part, stick with that.

但我不认为这是正确的做法。

But I don't think that's the way to go.

我认为，伟大的拳手确实一直保持一种站姿。

I think I mean, I think great fighters have stayed in one stance.

嗯。

Mhmm.

但我认为正确的方向是具备切换站姿的能力。

But I think the way to go is having the ability to switch up.

是的。

Yeah.

这总是有好处的。

It's always, you know, beneficial.

如果你拥有却不需要，而他们需要却根本没有。

If you can have it and not need it, then they need it and ain't ain't got it.

对。

Yes.

你懂的？

You know?

比如，好吧。

Like, okay.

这次比赛我不需要它，但我还是随身带着，以防万一。

It's cool that I don't need it for this fight, but I got it in my bag just in case I have it.

对。

Yes.

你懂的？

You know?

这就像是我。

And that's that's like me.

我都准备好了。

I got it all.

是的。

Yeah.

你觉得你完成后会去教别人吗？

Do you think you're gonna train people when you're done?

我会稍微教一下。

I'll be training a little bit.

我会在健身房帮忙，但我的耐心还没到位。

I'll be helping out at the gym, but my patience ain't there yet.

比如，我会着急，得提醒自己，像我的教练博马克说的，不是每个人都能像你一样。

Like, I get frustrated, and I have to remember, like my coach, Bomack, say, everybody's not you, bud.

你知道的？

You know?

不是每个人都能像你这样适应。

Everybody don't adapt like you.

每个人都没你这么有运动天赋。

Everybody not as athletic like you.

你知道的。

You know?

所以如果他们没掌握某项技能，你别着急。

So you can't be frustrated if they not getting something Right.

像你这么快就学会那样。

Like, as fast as you getting it.

你从七岁就开始做这个了。

You've been doing this since you was seven.

而这些孩子有些是十几岁才开始的，你知道的，所以你要对他们有耐心，慢慢来。

And some of these kids that started when they was teenagers, you know, so you gotta give them grace, you know, and take your time with them.

而且有些人脚掌是平的，你就得根据他们的特点来训练。

And some of them, you know, they flat footed, and you just gotta train them into their style.

不是每个人都会拥有和你一样的风格。

Everybody not gonna have your style.

所以当他向我解释这一点时，我只是觉得，你说得对。

So when he explained that to me, I was just like, yeah, you're right.

你知道吗？

You know?

让我稍微退一步，直接告诉他们我看到的是什么。

Let me back up a little bit and just tell them what I see.

是的。

Yeah.

与其试图让他们变成我期望的那种拳手，不如更多地关注他们自身的特质。

You know, more so than trying to coach them into being this fighter that I want them to be.

成为你自己的版本。

Being a version of you.

对。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

这一定很困难。

That's gotta be difficult.

对吧？

Right?

因为每个人都有不同的风格。

Because everybody does have a different style.

是的。

Yeah.

而且，你知道，你永远无法说服某些拳手按照你的方式打比赛。

And, you know, you're you're never gonna convince some fighters to fight your way.

嗯。

Mhmm.

是的。

Yeah.

但你能传授给年轻拳手的智慧是：有很多伟大的拳击教练，比如弗雷迪·罗奇，他虽然打过一些比赛，但从未成为顶尖拳手，却依然是个出色的教练。

But the wisdom that you can bestow on young fighters is like, there's a lot of great fighters like, you know, Freddie Roach that had some boxing matches but was never like an elite boxer, but still was a great coach.

但要让一位顶尖拳手当教练，这其中确实有一种特殊因素。

And but to have an elite fighter to be a coach, it's like there's an element of that.

首先，对于那些正在成长的年轻拳手来说，他们有一种想要给教练留下深刻印象的冲动。

First of all, you is it there's an element from the young guy coming up, like, wanna impress.

你身边有特伦斯·克劳福德在指导你。

You got Terence Crawford in your corner.

是的。

Yeah.

你希望让他对你刮目相看。

You wanna impress him.

巴迪·麦吉尔克做得非常出色，后来成了伟大的教练。

Buddy McGurk did a fantastic job, and he became a great trainer.

有很多拳手都做到了这一点，但我总是很好奇，因为我觉得你能够向这些年轻拳手传授太多东西了——那些细微的、私密的细节，关于你当时的思考和感受，这些完全能改变年轻拳手对某些对抗局面的理解。

There's a bunch of fighters that have done it, but it's like, I always wonder because I feel like there's so much you have to offer to these young there's so much small minutiae, intimate details of what you're thinking and what's going on that would completely change the way a young fighter sees certain exchanges?

对。

Yeah.

当然。

For sure.

当他们在拳击台上、打沙袋、打手靶或进行空击训练时，我会在这些细节上帮助他们。

And I try to help them on that aspect when they're in the ring or when they're on the bag or when they're hitting the Mets, shadow boxing, just little details.

你走进健身房，就能看到那些小孩子。

You know, I come in the gym and you see the little kids.

他们看到我，就会望向角落，然后击打拳袋。

They see me and they look look to the corner and they hit the back.

是的。

Yeah.

他们变得兴奋起来。

They get fired up.

你能看出他们是在试图引起我的注意。

You can see they're trying to get my attention.

我会走过去，给他们一些小小的建议。

I come over there, then give them some little wisdom.

你知道吧？

You know?

而且他们很感激。

And they're appreciative.

但他们在健身房经常看到我，这很好。

But it's good that they see me in the gym all the time.

你看，我儿子在隔壁摔跤，他们在这边打拳，我两边都顾着。

You know, my my son wrestling next door, and they over here boxing, and I'm both one side and the other side.

所以。

So

你儿子刚赢得了摔跤冠军？

Your your son just won a wrestling title?

是的。

Yeah.

他作为新生刚赢得了州冠军。

He just won state as a freshman.

这太惊人了。

That's incredible.

是的。

Yeah.

这太惊人了。

That's incredible.

这太了不起了。

That's so amazing.

他想做什么？

Does what does he wanna do?

他想去打职业。

He wanna go d one.

他想，是的。

He wanna Yeah.

他告诉我，比赛结束后，我们打算去看莱恩·加西亚的比赛。

He he told me that Saturday after the tournament, we're our way to the Ryan Garcia fight.

他说，爸爸，我想去参加奥运会。

He said, dad, I wanna go to Olympics.

哇哦。

Wow.

我说，你真的想吗？

I said, you want to?

他说，那种心态是什么样的？

He said, what kind of mind state is that?

我说，你一定会去的。

I said, you're gonna go.

我说，你心里必须有这个念头。

I said, you gotta have it in your mind.

你一定会去的。

You're going.

你连说想去都不行。

You can't even say you wanna go.

你得说，我要去参加奥运会。

You gotta say, I'm going to the Olympics.

这样，你知道，你已经在为未来做准备了。

That way, you know, you're already programming it, you know, for the future.

你是怎么学会这种心态的？

How did you learn that mentality?

老天，我这一生都被质疑。

Man, being doubted my whole life.

你知道，我这一生都被质疑，我的教练米奇·迈纳总是说，洛蒂，多蒂，我们谁都不怕。

You know, being doubted my whole life, and my coach, Mitch Miner, used to always say, lotty, dotty, we fight anybody.

他们还没跟你打过呢。

They ain't fought you yet.

你知道吗？

You know?

我就一直把这句话扛在肩上。

And I just carried that on my shoulders.

随便你把谁放在我面前，他们都没跟我打过，所以你不能说他们能赢我，除非他们真的赢了。就像我儿子说的，嘿。

Like, anybody you put in front of me, they ain't fought me yet, so you can't tell me they can beat me until they beat So just like my son, like, hey.

你必须有信心，只要你说了想做什么，就要去行动，但你得先付出努力。

You gotta have that confidence that whatever you say you wanna do, you're go out and do it, but you gotta put the work in first.

所以从这个角度来说，怀疑者给了你动力。

So in that sense, doubters give you fuel.

是的。

Oh, yeah.

是的。

Oh, yeah.

有很多这样的人。

There's a lot of people like that.

有很多这样的人。

A lot of people like that.

他们靠诋毁者活着。

They live off the haters.

是的。

Yeah.

对，没错。

Oh, yeah.

他们给我提供了动力。

They they fuel me up.

尤其是当情况很疯狂的时候，比如马祖莫夫和卡内罗，他们都非常尊重我。

And then especially when it's crazy because, like, Majumoff and Canelo, they were so respectful.

你知道的。

You know?

我也尊重他们。

And I respect them.

你知道的。

You know?

我一直都是马祖莫夫的粉丝，你知道的，他来自乌兹别克斯坦，我了解他的背景并听说过他。

I've been a fan of Majumov, you know, coming from Uzbekistan and learning about bottom and hearing about them.

我一直都是卡内洛的粉丝，从我记事起就是。

And I always been a fan of Canelo, like, since I could remember.

你知道的？

You know?

所以我没有那种强烈的杀意，或者心里那种一定要打败他的劲头。

So I didn't have that, like, killer, like, mind like, heart in my heart.

我是想赢他，但其他的比赛，我总是想着要把对手一拳击倒。

Like, I want to beat him, but, like, my other fights, I was like, man, I wanna knock this dude out.

比如贝纳维德斯？

Like Benavides?

是的。

Yeah.

我想把他击倒。

I wanted to knock him out.

就连训练时，我都没有那种怒火。

Like so, like, even in training, like, I didn't have that rage.

这家伙在那儿说风凉话。

Like, this dude talking shit.

他从来都没能激怒我。

Like, he he never they never got under my skin.

一切都挺有尊重的。

It was, like, all we respectful.

所以我就想，行吧。

So it was like, alright.

我想赢他们，但我不想造成痛苦。

I wanna whoop their ass, but I didn't wanna, like, inflict, like, pain.

我想把他击倒。

Like, I wanna, like, knock him out.

你曾在01:40打过一位拳手。

There was one fighter you fought at 01:40.

我一时想不起他名字了，但你在第五回合击倒了他，对吧。

His name is escaping me, but you you stopped him in the fifth yes.

是的

Yeah.

我想把他打晕。

I wanted to knock him out.

天哪。

Oh, boy.

是的

Yeah.

我当时特别生气。

And I was so mad.

当你看那场比赛时，你知道吗，我错过了，就在他们叫停的时候，我错过了两个厉害的勾拳。

Like, when you when you watch that fight, you know, I missed, like when they stopped it, I missed, like, two crazy hooks.

我就想，天啊，我为什么没能打中他？

And I just was like, man, why couldn't I land him?

他早就该倒下了。

Like, he would've went to sleep.

就像你刚才说的。

Like You were saying.

就能直接让他停下来。

Would just stop him.

我想让他们把他打睡着，但你知道，这是一项运动，事情就是这样。

I want I want them I want to put him to sleep, but, you know, it's it's a sport, and it is what it is.

我很高兴我们都能平安回家，和家人聊聊，毕竟当时可是拿性命在赌。

And I'm happy that we all could go home to our family and talk about it, you know, years laying on the line.

是的。

Yeah.

这就是这项运动的危险所在。

Well, that is the danger of the sport.

这就是为什么它和其他运动如此不同。

That's why it's so different than every other sport.

你真的是在拿自己的生命冒险。

It's like you you legitimately putting your life on the line.

是的。

Yeah.

很多人直到出了事才明白这一点。

And a lot of people don't understand that until something happened.

对。

Right.

你知道，我们拳击手中有不少人死在了拳击台上。

You know, us boxers a lot of boxers have died in that ring.

很多拳击手走进拳台时是一个状态，离开时却已是另一种模样。

A lot of boxers have went in a ring one way and left it a different way.

是的。

Yes.

你知道吗？

You know?

所以当很多粉丝批评拳击手做这项运动该做的事——也就是拳击时。

So when a lot of fans, they criticize boxers for doing what the sport is for, and that's boxing.

你知道吗？

You know?

我们拳击手，说白了，可不是来这儿挨打伤脑子的。

Us boxers, like, you're not getting here getting your brains beat out.

所以你觉得无聊的，正是我们在做这项运动该做的事，对吧。

So what you consider boring, we consider us doing what the sport is meant to do Right.

就是拳击。

Is box.

对。

Right.

你知道吗？

You know?

我觉得很多粉丝并不理解很多拳手。

And I think a lot of fans don't give a lot of fighters.

他们只是为了拳击而战。

They just do for boxing.

你知道吗，像弗洛伊德、像沙库尔，他们才是纯粹的拳击手。

You know, like Floyd, like Shakur, you know, when they pure boxers.

是的。

Yes.

你知道，他们想看到人们流血、被打得遍体鳞伤、被击倒，但他们从不考虑这些拳手因此送医、脑部出血、尿血之类的其他后果。

You know, they wanna see people bleeding, battered, knocked out, you know, but they're not thinking about the ather math and the ather effects of them fighters going to the hospital, blood on the brains, pissing blood, and things like that.

你的身体根本不是用来承受这种折磨的。

Like, your body is not meant to be be on like that.

对。

Right.

你知道吗？

You know?

所以他们只想着，哦，我花了这么多钱。

So they just looking at, oh, well, I paid this money.

你们进去就得拼个你死我活。

Y'all gonna go in there and kill each other.

你知道吧？

You know?

我觉得这是不对的。

And I think that's wrong.

是的。

Yeah.

在这个世界上，总会有傻瓜。

Well, you're always gonna have morons in this world.

总会有外行。

You're always gonna have casuals.

总会有那些不懂得欣赏的人。

You're always gonna have people that don't appreciate what they're saying.

但当我看到像沙库尔对战蒂亚菲莫那样的比赛，那场最后一战，那真是艺术。

But, like, when I see a performance like Shakur versus Tiafimo, that last fight, like, that was art.

那真是艺术。

That was art.

那记狡猾的刺拳，速度看似只有一半，却突然击中了他，你能看到洛佩兹根本躲不开。

That sneaky jab where it was, like, half speed and then popping him with the jab, and you could see Lopez just couldn't get out of the way of it.

他不知道该怎么办。

He didn't know what to do.

太美了。

It was beautiful.

只是 barely 被击中。

It was it barely got hit.

是的。

Yeah.

那是

It was

很美。

beautiful.

还有像这样的情况。

And and things like that.

你知道吗，当你看到两位顶尖拳手时，你会明显觉得其中一位高出一筹，这得益于他的拳击智商。

You know, you see two high caliber fighters, but you just see one just on a different level because of his boxing IQ.

你明白吗？

You know?

并不是因为TL Femo没有资格和他同台竞技。

Not because TL Femo didn't belong in the ring with him.

只是Shakur的拳击智商和能力已经达到了另一个层次。

It's just that Shaqur IQ and his boxing ability is up here.

是的。

Yes.

你懂的？

You know?

他没必要站在原地和对方对攻，给TL Femo机会击中他并改变比赛结果。

He didn't have to sit in front of him and trade shots and give TL Femo the opportunity to land a good shot and change the the the outcome of the fight.

一拳就够了，不管你是谁，只要在正确的时间出现在正确的位置，任何人都可能被击倒。

One shot, I don't care who you is in a good in a right spot at the right moment, anybody can get knocked out.

毫无疑问。

Without a doubt.

对。

Yeah.

毫无疑问。

Without a doubt.

我的意思是，人类的大脑并不是设计来承受拳击的。

I mean, the human brain is not designed to get punched.

对。

Right.

它根本就不是这样设计的，尤其是面对重拳手的时候。

It's just not designed that way, especially big punchers.

当你看到像蒂亚菲莫这样的选手时，蒂亚菲莫是能被打倒的。

And when you see a guy like Tiafimo, Tiafimo can crack.

他是个大块头，而且是世界冠军。

He's a big dude, and he's a world champion.

这是一场历史上最悬殊的表现之一，你看到一位世界冠军挑战另一位世界冠军。

It was one of the most lopsided performances ever where you see one world champion challenging another world champion.

当然。

For sure.

我的意思是，这简直是一场艺术。

I mean, it was it was art.

对我来说，整场比赛的每一刻，直到第十二回合，我都一直觉得不可思议，好几次我都忍不住说：‘天啊’。

To me, I was every moment of that fight, like, up until the twelfth round, I was just like there was multiple times I was like, oh.

我的天啊。

Oh my good.

这真是太美了。

It was just beautiful.

我只是喜欢看一位站在巅峰的人，你知道的，看一个让所有人都忍不住惊叹的选手。

It was just I love watching a guy at the pinnacle, you know, watching a guy where everybody else has gotta go, wow.

我没料到会是这样，因为蒂亚菲莫是个非常激进的选手，他击败了洛马琴科。

I didn't think it was gonna go like this because, you know, Tiafimo's a super aggressive guy, beat Lomachenko.

他有一记凶狠的刺拳，出拳力量十足。

He's got a nasty jab, throws big power in his punches.

他简直硬得吓人。

He's tough as hell.

很多人觉得这会是一场艰苦的比赛。

You know, a lot of people are like, this is gonna be a tough fight.

但沙库尔就是直接迎上去，没有躲闪。

And Shakur just and he didn't run.

他就站在对手正前方。

He stood right in front of him.

这还有另一点。

That's the other thing.

他没被击中，却始终站在对手正前方。

He wasn't getting hit, and he was right in front of him.

我的意思是，那真是艺术。

I mean, that was art.

那真是艺术。

That was art.

这才是最高水平的拳击。

That's boxing at the highest level.

而且，我感到非常着迷，因为现在他们都在谈论他和瑞安·加西亚。

And, I'm fascinated because now they're talking about him and Ryan Garcia.

我非常期待观看那场比赛，因为沙库尔是完全不同的类型。

I am fascinated to watch that fight because that's a Shakur is a different animal.

布莱恩在那场比赛中表现得非常出色。

Brian looked amazing in that fight.

我的意思是，他表现得太棒了。

I mean, he looked amazing.

我的意思是，他快得惊人，那场比赛看得真美。

I mean, he looked so fast, and it was beautiful fight to watch.

但那确实是一场有趣的比赛。

But that's an interesting fight.

我喜欢那场比赛。

I like that fight.

沙库尔和他，我非常喜欢那场比赛，因为沙库尔完全是另一种类型的选手。

Shakur and him, I like that fight a lot because Shakur is just a different animal.

那是你在面对一种完全不同的技能体系。

That's that's you're dealing with a whole different kind of skill set.

是的。

Yeah.

沙库尔，听我说。

Shakur, listen.

在他对阵TFE MO之前，我去过他的训练营，亲眼看到他的专注力和那种高强度的训练水平。

I went down to camp before he fought TFE MO, and I seen his focus and the level of, you know, intense training he was doing.

我当时就说，我不一定全懂，但我清楚沙库尔一定会完胜蒂亚菲莫。

And I said, I don't know it all, but I know Shakur are gonna whoop Tiafimo's ass.

我在比赛前很久就发了这条推文。

I tweeted that way before the fight.