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乔·罗根的播客。
Joe Rogan podcast.
去看看吧。
Check it out.
乔·罗根体验。
The Joe Rogan experience.
用它来安排我一整天。
Train my day.
晚上听乔·罗根的播客。
Joe Rogan podcast by night.
一整天都是。
All day.
你那个叫汤米的朋友真不错。
So your boy Tommy was awesome.
他表现得非常好。
He was great.
他真的特别酷。
He was really cool.
是的。
Yeah.
我来的时候正好听了那一期。
I actually listened on the way out to that one.
他特别有意思。
He's really fun.
汤米·李人很有趣。
Tommy Lee is fun.
他就像个大孩子一样。
He's like a big kid, man.
像个大孩子。
A big kid.
对。
Yeah.
就像个十五岁的孩子，一直都没变过，你知道的，
Like a 15 year old that just never, you know,
从来不用长大。
had to grow up.
一路都是这样，
All the
一路都保持着童心。
way up.
因为他，
Because he
他十八岁那会儿根本没机会成熟起来。
he because didn't have when to he was 18.
没错。
Exactly.
所以他真的从来都没长大过。
So he really never had to grow up.
他就一直保持着汤米·李的样子。
He just stayed Tommy Lee.
是的。
Yeah.
很高兴你终于把他请来了。
I'm glad you finally got to have him on.
那真的挺酷的。
It was very cool.
所以挺好的。
So it was good.
真奇怪，他居然这么喜欢盆栽。
It's weird that he's he's really into bonsai trees.
可太喜欢了。
Oh, big time.
太疯狂了。
Crazy.
把它们修剪整齐。
Brims them up.
整整一百年
The whole 100 year
的发现。
old find
在哪儿找到的？
them at?
你自己做的。
His his You make them yourself.
他家院子里，他会弄一个完整的禅意庭院风格的东西。
His yard, he'll he sets up, like, a whole, like, Zen garden type of thing.
这太疯狂了。
It's pretty wild.
但他一直很喜欢这个，喜欢修剪它们，你知道的，真的特别特别特别有意思。
But he's he's been into those, and he likes to trim them up, and, you know, it's pretty pretty wild.
他就是个正能量满满的好人。
He he just he's a positive energy, nice guy.
他从来没跟我闹过矛盾，你懂的，我说的是那种不愉快的事。
Like, he's never never been in my you know, re what do you wanna say?
跟他打交道，他从来没耍过横。
Interactions with him, never he's never been a dick.
从来没有。
Never.
他当老板的时候，人特别随和。
He's I just he was cool to work for.
我其实只在你给他当保镖那会儿见过他一面，后来是第二次见他。
Well, I only worked I I met him rather when you were working with him, when you were his bodyguard, and then this is the other time I met him.
他当时特别
So he was super
酷。
cool.
真不错。
Nice.
挺好。
Good.
是的。
Yeah.
我记得他在车里。
I remember him In the car.
他的喇叭装在那地方。
Horn on his with his dick.
天哪。
Oh my gosh.
还记得那个吗？
Remember that.
他的那玩意儿比你还高。
His peckers as tall as you are.
我记得他，那玩意儿大得吓人。
I remember him with his fucking huge dick.
和帕梅拉·安德森在一起。
With Pamela Anderson.
他这一生真是占尽了优势，对吧？
He's he's got a lot of advantages in this life, doesn't he?
天哪。
Good lord.
天哪。
Good lord.
真他妈的。
Goddamn.
这个词叫Perc。
It's the term Perc.
而且还是有史以来最伟大的鼓手之一。
And one of the greatest drummers of all time.
那应该是最早的性爱录像之一了。
That was, like, one of the first sex tapes.
是啊。
Oh, yeah.
那可能是最早的一部了。
That was probably
确实是第一部性爱录像。
the first sex sure.
对于名人来说。
For the Yeah.
名人。
Celebrities.
这让他们之后名声大噪。
It allowed them to get famous afterwards.
对。
Yeah.
但他们本来就已经很出名了。
Well, they were already famous.
所以才觉得不可思议，对吧。
That was why why it's crazy.
他们俩当时都是超级巨星。
Both of them were super famous.
没错。
Right.
但关键是，这段视频让他们一跃进入了一个完全不同的层次。
But, mean, allow the, like, the key to catapult them into, like, a different stratosphere.
没错。
Right.
只要哪位明星和另一个明星谈恋爱，就像是两大超能力合体了。
Well, anytime one of them celebrities is dating another celebrity, they it's like they're fucking superpowers unite.
是的。
Yeah.
是的
Yeah.
那些宝石。
Those stones.
他还和希瑟·洛克莱尔交往过。
He was with Heather Locklear too.
对吧？
Right?
汤姆？
Tom?
对。
Right.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
我的意思是，谁是个有趣的人？
I mean, who's a fun dude?
不过，那些树的事情真的挺离谱的。
The the the trees thing is wild, though.
我根本不知道，这些人家里居然有百年、两百年，甚至三百年历史的盆栽，而且代代相传。
I didn't know that these people, they have, like, 100 year old trees, 200 year old tree, 300 year old bonsai trees, and they pass them down through generations.
他们还有正式的文件，能查到最初是哪个人开始种这棵树的。
They have, like, paperwork, so you know, like, who's the guy who first started the tree.
这些树都有好几百年了，个头却只有这么大，还种在花盆里。
And they've got these trees that are, like, several 100 years old, and they're, like, this big, and they're in, like, a pot.
那一大片树，你叫它什么？
And what do what do you call the a bunch.
这整个都是一种艺术形式。
It's all, like, an artistic thing.
他们会按特定的形状修剪，树一长出来就剪掉，越剪越紧凑，最后长出特别古怪的造型。
They're trimming them in certain patterns, And every time they try to grow, you trim them down, and they just, like, tighten up, and it it makes a weird form.
是的
Yeah.
它长得笔直
It comes in
直接长出来
out straight.
看起来挺酷的，确实
They're pretty cool looking Yeah.
实际上
Actually.
对
Yeah.
我在想
I wonder
如果这些
if the
不过树还挺喜欢的。
tree likes it, though.
是的。
Yeah.
其中一个，她跟我说，嘿。
One of them, she's like, hey.
我真是个混蛋。
I'm fucker.
我有点恶心。
I'm kinda gross.
是的。
Yeah.
我已经三百岁了。
I'm 300 years old.
我才十六英寸高。
I'm sixteen inches tall.
这太荒谬了。
This is retarded.
对他来说是好事。
A good thing for him.
他以前生活节奏快得离谱，哦，对了。
Had such a crazy high paced life that oh, yeah.
走向对立面。
To the yang.
你懂我的意思吧？
You know what I mean?
他就是这么放松的。
That's how he relaxes.
我特别喜欢听这个。
I loved hearing it.
听起来太完美了。
It sounded perfect.
我当时就想，哎，你真找到了个好东西。
I was like, oh, you found a great thing.
而且你看，他跟你一样也是个车迷，你们俩之间自然有点共鸣。
And you see he's a gearhead too like you, so you guys had a little Yeah.
他当时在聊。
He was talking about
一起修车增进了感情。
Bonding on the cars.
他买的第一辆车。
First cars he bought.
他买了一辆老款科尔维特。
He bought an old Corvette.
他还给那车装了个超级增压器。
It was he got a fucking supercharger put on it.
对。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
他真是个疯子。
He's a he's a maniac.
他确实是个疯子，但人特别好，我是说真的。
He's definitely a maniac, but he's a very nice I mean, very
好人。
man.
不错，是啊。
Nice Oh, yeah.
那家伙以前是诱惑乐队的鼓手。
The guy was the the drummer for Motley Crue.
我十八岁的时候根本不敢想。
I don't can't even at 18.
真难以想象那会是什么样子。
Can't even imagine what that must have been like.
肯定疯狂极了。
Must have been insane.
很多这类乐手根本不想停下巡演，就这么一直玩着摇滚。
A lot of these guys, they don't wanna stop touring, all these rock and roll stuff.
他们干嘛要停呢？
Why would they want to
就是图个肾上腺素飙升。
be a adrenaline.
但也许有些人真该歇歇了。
But some of maybe should.
我看过一些他们的片段。
Some them some of them I saw some clips.
那 guy 到底是谁来着？
Who the fuck was it?
大卫·李·罗斯？
David Lee Roth?
我觉得是AC/DC那个主唱。
I think it was the guy from ACDC.
布莱恩·约翰逊。
Brian Johnson.
我不觉得这有多厉害。
I don't know if it's not that great.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
情况很糟。
It's bad.
确实挺糟糕的。
It's pretty bad.
老兄，AC/DC是我这辈子最爱的乐队之一，但看到Brian Johnson唱得这么吃力，真替他难受。
Dude, ACDC was my favorite one of my favorite all time bands and Brian Johnson struggling.
我的意思是，他那种撕裂式的唱法。
I mean, with that screaming style he has.
那他是怎么坚持下来的？
Well, how do you keep that going?
他到底是怎么做到的？
How do you keep that going?
任何表演老师或声乐教练都不会说，你这样唱歌是可行的。
Like, no acting or vocal coach would ever tell you you could sing like that.
我不这么认为。
I don't I don't think so.
你根本不可能这样唱歌。
You just can't sing like that.
对。
Yeah.
你根本不可能那样嘶吼。
You can't fucking scream like that.
我在想，他们会不会有六十岁的粉丝呢。
I wonder I wonder if they get, like, 60 year old groupies.
绝对没错。
100%.
绝对没错。
100%.
五十岁的粉丝，还热情不减。
50 year old groupies that flame lit.
天哪。
Oh my god.
从八十年代起，他们就一直保持着这种热度。
They've been keeping that flame lit since the eighties.
天啊，真是够劲的。
Fucking hell.
但他们现在也有新的粉丝吧？
But do they have, like, new groupies, though?
当然有。
Of course.
当然有。
Of course.
他们根本不可能知道。
You know, there's no way they know.
就是那个谁，叫什么来着？
Like, doesn't what's his what the what is what is his name?
天哪。
Jesus Christ.
什么？
What?
滚石乐队？
Rolling Stones?
我刚才说到哪儿了？杰格？
If I forget what I'm talking Jagger?
对。
Yeah.
我知道米克·贾格尔最近生了个孩子，特别小。
Well, I know Mick Jagger has a kid that's really young.
米克·贾格尔真的是刚生了个孩子，没多久以前。
Like, Mick Jagger just had a kid, like, really recently.
真的吗？
Really?
是啊。
Yeah.
他都八十多岁了。
He's like in his eighties.
我刚才想的是另一个人。
I was thinking of someone else, Someone though.
还有其他人，像这样的人挺多的。
Else is is another oh, there's a bunch of guys like that.
比如阿尔·帕西诺。
Like, Al Pacino
哦，对啊。
just Oh, yeah.
确实如此。
That's true.
没错。
True.
对。
True.
是啊。
True.
但很多上了年纪的男性，最后都会生孩子。
But a lot of older guys like that, they wind up having kids.
他们明显还能吸引年轻女孩来陪他们。
Like, they're still obviously getting young chicks to fuck them.
不过这有点不负责任。
It's kind of irresponsible, though.
我的意思是，也许他大概……
I mean, I mean, mean, but maybe I mean, he's probably
太疯狂了。
is crazy.
是的。
Yeah.
我希望他能……
I hope he's gonna
至少得把孩子照顾好，但也可能是那个年轻女孩想要孩子。
take care of the kid, but maybe it's the young chick that wants the kid.
你懂的。
You know?
当然。
Of course.
但如果你是故意这么做的
But it's still if you did it on purpose
如果你是那个男人，还故意这么做，那就太离谱了。
if you're the guy and you did it on purpose, that's wild.
对。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
不是。
No.
你甚至都不想待在那儿。
You don't even wanna be around.
是的。
Yeah.
我到八十岁的时候，还是要这个孩子。
I'm just gonna have this kid at 80.
是的。
Yeah.
比起把我的基因传下去，我更想陪在孩子身边。
It's more important than my genes pass on that I'd be there for my child.
你想想这话。
Think about that.
等你八十五岁的时候，大概已经不在了。
By the time you're 85, you're probably gone.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
到你八十五岁的时候。
By the time you're 85.
是的。
Yeah.
你根本看不到孩子去上学。
You you won't even see your kid go to school.
你到时候就
You'll be
孩子五岁的时候，当爹的就没了。
five years old, and the kid, you know, the kid will be five years old, and the dad dies.
也许孩子的妈妈本来就想生。
Maybe the maybe the wife wanted it.
当然了。
Well, sure.
你总得给后人留点什么吧。
You You leave something behind type of thing.
你明白吧。
You know?
也许总比不做要好。
Maybe it's better than not doing it.
也许吧。
Maybe.
对。
Yeah.
而且，如果你是个理性的80岁老人，比如，
But, also, if you're rational 80 year old, like,
兄弟，你连时间都不够
bro, you barely have time to
照顾自己
take care
。
of yourself.
你连自己的烂摊子都收拾不好。
You can't even keep your own shit in your pants.
我开玩笑的。
I'm kidding.
你可是要养孩子啊。
You you're gonna raise a kid.
两个都得穿你换下来的尿布。
Both of them wearing your diapers.
你得带着
You're gonna take the
孩子去公园，
kid to the park and
跑来跑去？
run around?
孩子的尿布，还有你的。
The kid's diapers and yours.
老兄，你骨头都得摔断，小孩还哭得撕心裂肺，周围没人听得见。
Bro, you're gonna break a hip, and your toddler is gonna be screaming, and no one will hear it.
没错。
Right.
你一个人带着他们在公园里。
And you're gonna be alone with them at the park.
你躺在那儿，内伤出血，孩子却自己走开了。
You're gonna be lying there bleeding internally from a broken hip, and the kid's gonna walk off.
你得看着
You're gonna
孩子
watch the
五岁了。
kid Five years old.
是的。
Yeah.
三岁的孩子在你八十岁时走丢了。
Three year old wander off in your 80.
这太离谱了。
That's nuts.
是啊。
Oh, yeah.
对了，朗戈，你把他惹生气了，他说他最近感觉挺好的。
By the way, Longo, you got him upset because he's he's like, man, I've been feeling good.
他说，我每天都去健身房。
He's like, you know, I'm at the gym every day.
结果我一打开罗根的节目，他就抱怨自己都58岁了。
And I go fucking I I turn on Rogan, and he's he's bitching about being 58.
我当时就想，这什么情况？
I'm like, what the fuck?
他都68了。
He's 68.
哦。
Oh.
所以，他就是说，我……是啊。
So, basically, like, he's like, I Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
真服了。
Fuck.
他居然抱怨自己五十岁，其实都六十八了。
He's complaining about being 50 really sixty eight.
他看起来状态很好。
He looks great.
他真的看起来特别棒。
He fucking looks real good.
他头发黑得发亮。
He's dark ass hair.
对吧？
Right?
我知道。
I know.
对吧？
Right?
他并没有
He don't have
他最近没休息，
he don't have a break going on his
自己的头发。
own hair.
里根那样的发型。
Reagan hair.
他看起来状态不错。
He's looking he's he's looking good.
那太好了。
That's great.
然后他问我关于那个
And then he asked me about a what the
你说什么？
fuck do hear?
因为罗纳德·里根那时候，也就是七十年代，头发是深色的。
Because Ronald Ronald Reagan had dark hair, like, deep in here, like, the seventies.
别开玩笑了。
Come on.
我的头发全白了。
My shit is all white.
如果我有头发，而且留长了，肯定全都是灰的。
If I grew my if I had hair and I grew it out, it'd be all gray.
真的吗？
Really?
是的
Yeah.
大部分吧
Mostly.
就像我的脸一样。
It's like my face.
要是长胡子的话，至少有六成是灰的。
Like, my feel like if it's my stubble, it's, like, at least 60% gray.
对。
Yeah.
我的现在全白了。
Mine is all gray now.
是的。
Yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
挺奇怪的。
It's weird.
留灰胡子好像就是在说：随它去吧。
There's something about a gray beard that's like, you're just saying, fuck it.
是啊。
Yeah.
所以我才开始把它剪短一点。
That's why that's why that's why I just started trimming it down.
我当时就想，哎。
I was like, yo.
这也太夸张了。
This is ridiculous.
对。
Yeah.
我不喜欢它现在的样子。
I don't like the way it looks.
是的。
Yeah.
但每次在镜子里看到自己这灰白胡子，我都忍不住想：这人是谁啊？
But I see myself in the mirror with a gray beard, I'm like, who the fuck are you?
是的。
Yeah.
你本来该留着黑胡子的。
You're supposed to have a dark beard.
没错。
For sure.
我大半辈子都是黑胡子。
I had a dark beard most of my life.
我翻看几年前的照片，发现那时候胡子确实是黑的。
I'm looking at pictures of them like, like, a couple years ago, and it's dark.
现在全变灰了。
Now it's all gray.
我当时在A&E频道上看到一段我和乔治的采访片段，画面里是我们俩在聊天。
Like, what the fuck happened, They had a thing on A and E with me and George, and they had a they showed a clip of me and you talking.
那时候我们俩都还有头发。
I still we both had hair.
我真是服了，真的。
I'm fucking yeah.
我们那时候的样子太疯狂了，简直不敢相信。
We just Crazy, isn't It looked crazy.
太奇怪了。
It's weird.
你你看起来……你什么意思？
You you look you what?
你这是在慢慢走向衰老啊。
You're just slowly slipping into the grave.
不过我们现在看起来还不错。
We're looking good, though.
我们能做很多
We can do a lot of
尽可能经常放松一下。
down as often as we can.
对。
Yes.
比起那些不注重保养的人，还有比起过去的人。
Compared to people that don't take care of themselves and also compared to people from the past.
对，这正是我想说的。
Oh, that's what I'm saying.
去做睾酮替代治疗。
Have TRT.
对。
Yes.
对。
Yes.
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是的。
Yes.
连维生素都没有。
Didn't even have vitamins.
你懂的。
You know?
别质疑治疗。
Don't question therapy.
八十年代的时候，四十岁的人
In the eighties, what 40 year
看起来就是那个样子。
olds look like in eighties.
对吧？
Right?
没错。
Yeah.
他们还真觉得，练武术也有帮助。
They was fucking think the, like, martial arts also helps.
我们刚办了个活动，庆祝亨佐的武馆在美国成立三十周年。
Like, we just had a an event, Henzo's thirtieth anniversary for his academy in The US.
是的。
Yeah.
特别棒。
It was great.
他们把所有元老都请来了。
And they invited all the OGs.
所以啊，我见到了好多好多年没见的老朋友。
So we, you know, we were it's I've seen guys I hadn't seen in decades.
你拿到五段了？
You got a fifth degree?
不过，恭喜啊。
But, yeah, I got a Congratulations.
你看
At look
那个。
at that.
太棒了。
That's amazing.
而且，
And,
我的意思是，我们聊了聊，几乎每个人都状态很好。
I mean, we were talking, like, almost everybody looked good.
每个人都看起来很有精神。
Everybody looked Everybody.
而且当时还有
And there was
如果你坚持训练，那里有六十个人呢。
Well, if you continue to train 60 guys there.
关键是要持续保持，一旦停了，就再也回不去了。
It's the thing is you you gotta maintain, and if you don't maintain, you're never getting it back.
是的。
Yeah.
你不可能到了五十岁，然后一停就是三年。
You don't you don't get you can't like, at at 50, you can't take three years off.
就像你说的，
Like, know,
你一开始就要
you start
马上行动。
right away.
真的很难再重新找回状态。
You gotta it's just too hard to get back.
如果你以前从没锻炼过，现在四十六岁才开始，
And if you never worked out before and you're, like, 46 and you're starting now,
不是的。
like No.
这确实不容易。
It's tough.
这条路很难走啊。
That's a hard road, man.
你以前从来没锻炼过。
You never worked out before.
首先，得慢慢来。
Like, first of all, go slow.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
你得把所有东西都拆了重来。
You gotta break everything.
这正是问题所在。
Well, that's the problem.
人都想一下子冲进去，结果要么受伤，要么搞得很糟，最后就彻底放弃了，你懂吧？
People wanna jump right in, and then you get hurt or get busted up a little bit, and then it just defeats you know what I mean?
你就会想，算了，不干了。
You're like, fuck this.
我为什么不
Why don't I
这才是现实。
Which is the big reality.
别受伤。
Not get injured.
年龄最大的现实就是，恢复起来太慢了。
The big reality about age is how long it takes to heal
是的。
Yeah.
确实如此。
Does.
我孩子受伤了。
My kids get hurt.
他们恢复得特别快，跟金刚狼一样。
They just fucking heal up like wolverine.
太不可思议了。
It's nuts.
就几天时间，
Like, within a few
肩膀就好了。
days, oh, my shoulder's fine again.
你刚做完一个后空翻，
Like, you fucking just did a back flip
然后肩膀着地。
and landed on your shoulder.
你没事吧？
You're alright?
换做是我，得疼上一阵子。
I would be fucked up for a
起码一年。
year.
对。
Yeah.
他们恢复得更快。
They just they just heal quicker.
他们还活着呢。
They've they're alive.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
我的意思是，这他妈就是实话。
I mean, it's it's it's the fucking truth.
没错，老兄。
That's the truth, man.
确实。
True.
随着年龄增长，这是最常见的一件事。
That's the number one thing that happens as you get older.
像我们这样长期坚持的人，训练时得聪明点。
If you're lifers like us, you just gotta be smart about your training.
百分百。
100%.
你知道吧，我身边都是一群年轻气盛的家伙。
You know, I got young savages.
我不想，我真不想，我选谁一起练，我自己说了算。
I don't want I don't fucking I I choose who I wanna roll with.
你说得对，没错。
Like, you know what Sure.
你没必要非得当那个在垫子上横扫一切的人，因为你有天赋。
You don't gotta be that guy to fucking just slay everybody on the mat there because you have a sense of
你得学会休息。
You gotta break.
你会撑不住的。
You're you'll break.
你知道吗，就像你有一辆科尔维特，开上赛道。
You you know, it's like you you have a Corvette, you take it around the track.
你不可能一直跑下去。
You can only do so many laps.
每辆车，哪怕是价值一亿美元的F1赛车，再厉害也会出问题。
Every car, even Formula One cars that cost a $100,000,000, whatever they got, they break.
对啊。
Yeah.
再猛再快，撑不了多久，发动机迟早会爆。
You can only go so far, so fast, so long before you blow a rod.
总有些地方会出岔子。
You got some shit goes sideways.
我认识的人，个个都动过手术。
Everybody I know has had surgery.
我家猫也一样。
My cat
还有屁股。
and butt.
人人都如此。
Everybody.
比如说吧，我在费城跟团队一起的时候，跟布雷迪、派珀他们待在一间屋子里，真的挺难的，因为他们一上来就抓着你练招。
Like, for me, like, when I'm in Philly with the crew, Brady and Piper and them, like, it's hard being in a room with these guys because they wanna grab you and do moves on you.
哎哟。
I'm like, yo.
别闹了，兄弟。
Chill out, man.
对啊。
Right.
咱们不如找个小年轻吧。
Let's grab one of the younger guys.
老兄，你最不想被抓住的人就是布雷迪。
Bro, the last guy you want grabbing you is Brady.
没错。
Yeah.
天哪。
Jesus Christ.
他一压到你身上，就开始使劲勒你？
When he gets on top of you, just start squeezing you?
威尔豪·格雷厄姆。
Willough Graham.
对吧？
Right?
对。
Yeah.
他跟豪昆·巴克利那场打的，我真惊了，兄弟。
His that fucking fight with Joaquin Buckley, I was like, holy shit, man.
他完全碾压了对方。
He ragged off.
对。
Yeah.
兄弟，那种压倒性的控制力，简直让人震惊。
Bro, it was whole it was the the the level of domination was, like, shocking.
我当时就想，好吧。
I was like, okay.
这才是他最好的状态。
So this is his best form.
就是他巅峰时的样子。
Like, this is him at his best.
巅峰状态，没错。
At his best Yeah.
简直太差了。
Is fucking terrible.
他表现有点不稳定。
He's a little inconsistent.
比如那场对莫雷洛斯的战斗很艰难，但他说自己当时心不在焉；可一旦他真的全神贯注，
Like, he's the morales fight was tough, but when and he said it's like his head wasn't in it, but when his fucking head is in
那状态就完全在线了，绝对的。
it and he's like dialed in For sure, man.
他一抓住你，兄弟。
He's like, when he grabs you Bro.
他一收紧，你就忍不住发出小声的哼唧。
Like, he'll squeeze you and you just start making like little noise like
他像对付莱昂那样对付了华金，你简直要惊呼，天啊，老兄。
He did a Leon and what he did did to Joaquin, you're like, holy shit, man.
那感觉到底是什么样？
What is that like?
那真是太漂亮了。
That was beautiful.
尤其漂亮。
Especially Beautiful.
作为一名爆发力惊人的运动员
As explosive an athlete as
那种流畅感。
The flow.
乔昆就是这样的人。
Joaquin is.
无论去哪儿，他都紧跟着，只差一步。
Like, everywhere they went, he was just following him one step ahead.
就像在逃命一样。
It was like, escape.
对。
Yeah.
没错。
Yeah.
他可不想让你走人，兄弟。
He don't want you out, man.
压住。
Smush.
是的。
Yeah.
他就直接压住Smush了。
And he just gets Smush.
他的背实在太宽了。
His back is so big.
他压在你身上时，完全把你罩得严严实实。
He just gets so much coverage over you when he's on top of you.
还有重心控制，每一步都比他们在地上快好多。
And the balance, it's just every it just, like, so many steps ahead of them on the ground.
有一次，看起来简直像在做有氧训练。
The the one time, it really looked like a cardio drill.
他就压在上面。
Like, was on top.
就像他，
Like, he
直接就被打中了
was just hit
看起来他只是摆出一副特别平静的表情。
it would look like he was just getting into the, like, placid face Yeah.
特别淡定。
Super calm.
我觉得在他们那儿，他不被允许用十二点到六点的肘击。
I believe where they were, he wasn't allowed to do the 12 to six elbows.
这太离谱了。
Oh, that's so crazy.
那到底是对还是错？
That's where right or wrong?
差不多是这样。
Something like that.
我觉得新泽西那边现在还是这样。
So this I think Jersey's still like that.
对吧？
Right?
是的
Yeah.
对
Yeah.
没错
Yeah.
有很多地方都这样，真的。
There's a lot of places that are like that, man.
太荒谬了。
It's so dumb.
他们还在用旧的统一规则。
They're still using the old unified rules.
太荒谬了。
It's so dumb.
那个规则根本说不通。
Like, that that rule doesn't make any sense.
如果能这样的话就好了
It would be nice if
如果是足球里的踢球动作，那就算了。
it If it's, you know, soccer kicks.
行吧。
Okay.
你想讨论一下吗？
You wanna have a debate?
你可以这边肘击、那边肘击、到处肘击，就偏偏不准这么搞，这简直太荒谬了。
But if you can elbow this way and this way and this way, but you can't go this way, that's just retarded.
别人都在这么做。
And everybody else is doing it.
那为什么你不跟着做呢？
So why would you not do it?
这并不
It doesn't
这说得通，你得记得自己处在什么状态。
make sense, and you have to remember what state you're in.
问题就在这儿。
That's the problem.
所以当你在打斗中全凭本能，对方摆出那个姿势，明明可以使出十二点到六点的肘击，
So, like, when you're in the fight and you're on instinct and the guy's like this, but it's wide open for a twelve six elbow.
你就该直接使出来。
You're supposed to throw it.
这本来就是
That's
设计来用的。
what it's for.
对。
Yeah.
为了安全，也为了裁判能一致地做出判罚，规则必须保持统一。
If for safety's sake and the fighters' the referee's ability to make a decision have consistency in the rule set.
这不过就是另一记肘击而已。
It's just another elbow.
这完全说不通。
It don't make any sense.
偏偏就这一种肘击被禁了，真是荒唐。
Like, this one elbow that's outlawed, that's crazy.
没错。
Right.
我也搞不懂为什么。
I don't know why.
你完全可以往人脸上狠踢膝盖。
You can knee the hell
把人打得够呛。
out of somebody in their face.
对。
Right.
你可以跳起来。
You can jump.
你可以跑起来跳起，用膝盖撞他的脸。
You can run and jump and knee him in the face.
是的。
Yeah.
天哪。
Oh god.
我们见过的最疯狂的击倒，很多都是这么来的。
And some of the craziest knockouts we've ever seen come from that.
确实如此。
They do.
前几天我们刚聊过马斯维达尔对阿斯克伦那场。
Like, we were just talking about Masvidal versus Askren the other day.
天啊。
Oh, man.
四。
Four.
嘿。
Hey.
他本该在摔跤，哦，天哪。
He's supposed to be wrestling Oh, he's wow.
我不太清楚。
Is that I don't know.
这主意靠谱吗？
Is a is that a good idea?
不靠谱。
No.
它突然就出来了。
It came out
从
of the
前几天还在聊呢。
talking the other day.
对。
Yeah.
那肯定
That would
把我给惊醒了。
wake me up when I heard that.
他说话的时候，咳嗽得很厉害。
When he was talking, was coughing a lot.
我就跟他说，你听我说。
And he's I'm like, you listen.
那些运动员啊，他们其实挺怕摔跤的，因为太耗体力了。
When you're people who are athletes, they're afraid of wrestling because it's exhausting.
他们可不想感觉到肺里那种火烧火燎的感觉。
They don't wanna feel that that burn in their lungs.
你真想把自己逼到这个地步吗？
You really wanna push yourself like that?
是的。
Yeah.
别管这个了。
Worry about it.
我只是不希望他们
I just don't want them
完全跟你一样。
to get Totally with you.
我的意思是，他做了双肺移植手术，那是什么时候？
I mean, he had double lung transplant surgery, like, how long
多久以前？
ago?
大概一年前吧。
That was, like, a year ago.
一年前？
A year ago?
可能是两年前。
Maybe two years ago.
两年前。
Two ago.
可能是两年前。
Maybe two years ago.
我光是担心感染就会很不安。
I'd be worried even just about infection.
是的。
Yeah.
我什么都会担心。
I'd be worried about everything.
如果你这么做，我还会担心，你得吃免疫抑制剂，才能让别人的器官在你体内存活。
And I would also be worried if you're doing that, I think you have to take immunosuppressant drugs in order to keep someone else's organs inside of you.
所以你要去人山人海的地方。
So you're gonna go out into a giant crowd of people.
朋友CT Fletcher。
Friends CT Fletcher.
你知道的。
You know?
CT Fletcher。
CT Fletcher.
是的。
Yeah.
CT做过心脏移植，得吃药才能让新心脏留在体内，防止身体排斥。
CT had a heart transplant, and he has to take medication to keep this heart in his body, keep his body from rejecting it.
这些药还带来不少副作用，比如会让他浮肿，他经常发视频和照片分享这些情况。
And he has a bunch of complications from the medication, like, makes him swell, and he posts videos and pictures about it.
这可不是小事。
Like, it's a serious thing.
他们胖了很多吗？
Did they gain a lot of weight?
他们变得很胖了吗？
Did they become fatties?
他们开始拼命往嘴里塞垃圾食物。
They start fucking shoveling their face in the trash.
你倒是说说看，这跟羊的阴道有什么关系？
Say that about a sheep's vagina.
不是吗？
Don't they?
对吧？
Don't they?
确实是这样。
They do.
我不是农民，但听说的确是这样。
I don't I'm a farmer, but that's what I heard.
我也是听人这么说的。
That's what I heard too.
所以猪的心脏
So a pig's heart
对啊。
Yeah.
这简直太疯狂了。
Is that's fucking that's fucking crazy.
确实疯狂。
It's crazy.
他们给两个人做了移植。
And so they did it on two people.
对。
Yeah.
不管怎样，把别人器官移植到人体里，风险和危险都特别大。
But either way, the whole thing of transplanting organs from other people is, like, super risky and dangerous.
一旦成功了，我们就统计了心脏移植的数量。
And once it's working, the the number of like, we looked at heart transplants.
我不知道肺移植或者双肺移植的数据是多少，但你可以看看多年后的存活率。
I don't know what it is for lung double lung transplants, but it look you look at mortality over a period of years.
结果第一年的存活率高达百分之九十一。
And so it's, like, ninety one percent of the people survived the first year,
我的意思是，
I mean,
你真想把这个数字推到红色区域吗？
you wanna you wanna put that in the fucking red?
你真想在气喘吁吁的时候还去推高它吗？
You wanna push that while you're breathing heavy?
感觉昨天他还正在医院走廊里绕圈走路呢。
It felt like yesterday he was making laps around the hospital floor.
没错。
Right.
是的
Yeah.
那是个硬汉。
And that's a a dude.
他是个赢家。
Well, he's a winner.
对吧？
Right?
这正是问题所在。
And that's the problem.
有时候，你要是太争强好胜，就会觉得自己能逼着身体达成不切实际的目标。
Like, sometimes when you're a winner, your your will is so strong that you think you could force your body into unrealistic expectations.
操。
Shit.
总得有个共识才行。
There's gotta be some agreement or something.
是的。
Yeah.
有。
There's
就像我最近在
Like, I just in my
脑子里想的。
mind too
巴拉齐，你本可以做到的。
Balazi, you could do.
他作弊了。
He cheated.
我的意思是，你本质上是跟死神擦肩而过。
He I mean, basically, you cheated death.
对。
Yes.
你现在有家人在身边了，家人已经回来了。
Your family now, you have your family back.
你应该明白，你有了第二次机会。
You understand you have a second chance.
既然这样，你干嘛还要冒险去做那种事呢？
Like, why would you put that at risk to do something?
也许他和巴拉尔根本不需要证明什么。
Maybe him and Balal have nothing to prove.
就是想来一场友好的
Have, like, a friendly
这其实正是我想说的
what's That's kind of what I
摔跤比赛。
wrestling role.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
以前是。
Was.
就是友好切磋。
Friendly wrestling.
但我并不这么认为。
I don't think that, though.
你瞧。
Look.
他简直就是个野兽。
He's an animal.
是的。
Yeah.
詹·阿斯佩林真是个狠角色。
Jen Asperin's a fucking animal.
我觉得他们之间并没有达成什么协议。
I don't think that they have an agreement with each other.
我觉得有人跟比拉尔说了，嘿。
I think that somebody told Bilal, hey.
听我说，兄弟。
Listen, man.
别惹这家伙。
Don't push this dude.
没错。
Right.
他说过，我看过一个采访，他当时说，伙计。
Well, he said like, I saw an interview where he said Bro.
他第一个问题就是：你在说什么？
Like, his first question was, what are you talking about?
他能摔跤吗？
Can he wrestle?
你懂我的意思吧？
You know what I mean?
他有没有通过体检？
Has he even been cleared?
所以呢
So
如果我是比拉尔，我不会接受这个说法。
I I would I would not accept that if I was Bilal.
我觉得我就处在这种立场上。
I feel like That's where I'm at.
职业选手们
The the pros
出事了。
Something happened.
这绝对不是对阿司匹林不敬。
And this is no disrespect to aspirin.
我觉得那家伙简直像个野兽。
It's like, I think that guy's an animal.
我曾经是大力推动阿斯卡林加入UFC的人之一，那时候他还是Bellator的冠军，后来他转投了另一家。
Like, I was one of the biggest promoters of trying to get Ascarin into the UFC when he was a champion of Bellator and the r and then when he went over to one.
当时有人说他比赛太无聊。
And the argument was like he was boring.
我说，不是这样的。
And I was like, no.
他一点都不无聊。
He's not boring.
他能对那些选手做出这种事，真是不可思议。
It's crazy that he could do this to these guys.
是的。
Yeah.
他能把道格拉斯·利马这样的选手像布娃娃一样按在地上，对方根本拿他没办法。
He could take guys like Douglas Lima and just ragdoll them to the ground, and they can't do shit to him.
没错。
Right.
霍拉科夫，埃莫里·达蒂。
Horacekoff, Emory Dutti.
对。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
他一点都不无聊。
He wasn't he wasn't boring at all.
他一直在碾压对手。
He was destroying guys.
对。
Yeah.
把那些人像布娃娃一样摆布。
Dolling these guys.
他出手的时候，对方根本没机会躲开。
They had zero chance in him not taking them down.
一点机会都没有。
It was zero chance.
对。
Mhmm.
那场面太漂亮了。
And it was beautiful.
没错。
Right.
不是亚历克斯·佩雷拉那种飞膝击脸的打法，但这也是赢的一种方式。
It wasn't like Alex Pereira flying knee and somebody in the face, but it's still another way to win.
就像大人打小孩一样。
But it was like a man and a child.
是的。
Yes.
是的
Yeah.
简直太厉害了
It was crazy good.
他真的太强了
He was crazy good.
但我们签下他的时候，已经有点晚了
And then we got him, like, a little late.
对吧
Right?
我们签下他时，他的髋关节就已经有问题了，后来离开UFC后不得不做了髋关节置换手术
We got him when he already had hip problems, and he eventually had to get a hip replacement after he got out the UFC.
你知道，他已经在格斗运动里打了十五年，再加上之前那么多年的摔跤，但他在Bellator称霸的那些日子，真是个狠角色
You know, he'd already been fifteen years in combat sports and then all the years of wrestling and, like, but those days when he was running shit at Bellator, he was a motherfucker, dude.
他的手臂
His arm.
他真是个狠角色。
He was a motherfucker.
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他和达米安那场打得太精彩了。
His fight with Damian was fucking awesome.
简直完美。
Amazing.
这真是个漂亮的拒绝。
That's a great no.
那场比赛最妙的地方在于，两人完全是风格上的直接对抗，如今很难再看到这样的对决了——一个擅长摔跤，一个精通柔术，各自把技艺发挥到了极致。
What's the beautiful thing about that fight is they're both it's almost like the closest thing to style versus style that we could have nowadays where, you know, they're both so brilliant at the way they use their art with him with his wrestling and him with a jujitsu.
那场和本的比赛中，你也能看到一些类似的精彩对决。
And in that fight, you got you got to see some of that with with Ben.
你看到了各种摔投动作。
You got to see the takedowns.
你看到了乌玛·普拉塔的反制，还有腿锁和脚踝锁的逆转。
You got to see an Uma Plata reversal, an a the leg lock, Ashi reversal.
真是漂亮的柔术。
I mean, beautiful jujitsu.
对。
Yeah.
那真是一场太棒的比赛了。
And it was just such a it was such a great fight.
老兄，达米安·马亚被裁判的判罚坑得比谁都惨。
Dude, Damian Maya got fucked harder than anybody ever got fucked by a referee's decision.
卡马鲁·乌兹米。
Kamaru Uzumi.
没错。
Yep.
从来都没有过。
Ever.
没错。
Right.
没错。
Right.
没人比达米安·迈尔挨得更惨了。
Nobody got fucked harder than Damian Myer.
是她吗？
Was it her?
到底是谁？
Who was it?
我不清楚。
I don't know.
也许我们根本没必要提她的名字
And maybe we shouldn't even pull her name
出来。
up.
对。
Yeah.
感觉我没法
Feel like I can't
像那样对待我的兄弟们，伙计。
do my boys like that, man.
我得去见见他们。
I gotta see them.
我想
I wanna think
我记不清了，真不记得是谁，但我觉得是个已经不在UFC打拳的家伙。
I don't remember the I don't remember who it was, but I think it's a guy who doesn't do it in the UFC anymore.
但他把对手压在背上，一手勾住，形成过肩控制。
But he had him on his back, one hook in over under.
他占据了那种位置，说白了，你就彻底完了。
He had gotten to a position where, like, you are fucked.
你毫无还手之力，对面可是UFC里最顶尖的背控专家。
You're dry, and you got the best back specialist in the UFC.
是的
Yeah.
真的
For real.
德米安·迈耶对付尼尔·马格，那简直太猛了，天哪。
Damian Meyer was a the way he ran through Neil Magne, like, shit, man.
对啊。
Yeah.
他的柔术水平太高了，你要是能脱身，把他甩开，卡马罗就真厉害了？
His jujitsu is so high level, and for you to get off, get him off and Kamaro's one boss?
没错。
Right.
是裸绞吗？
Was to A naked choke?
是的。
Yeah.
亚历克斯·拉塞拉的兄弟。
Alex Alex Lacerra's brother.
那大概是多少年前的事了？
So it's like, how many years ago was that?
现在你跟达米安·梅尔打，他还在帮你撑腰。
Like, and now you're fighting Damian Mai, and he's got your back.
你当时有危险。
You're in danger.
是的。
Yeah.
就是说，你当时
Like, you're
有危险，裁判赶紧把他们分开了。
in danger, and the referee separated him in.
太疯狂了。
So crazy.
再也没回到那个位置。
Never got to that spot again.
卡马罗打得挺漂亮。
Kamaro played it nice.
他打了一场精彩的比赛，赢下了对决，真让人惊叹。
He fought a great fight, won the fight, and you're like, damn.
达米安已经控制住他了。
Damian had him.
他当时把达米安压在了一个不算特别危险、大概六成把握的位置上。
He had him in a like, not nine out of 10, but he had him in, like, a six out of 10 spot for him.
是的。
Yeah.
很多时候，他能反制你，而你根本跟不上他的柔术水平。
Like, half the time, he gets your back and you're dry, and you're not at his level of jujitsu.
你
You're
彻底完蛋了。
in fucking trouble.
你绝对不该把任何人从那个位置拉开。
You could you should never separate anybody from that position.
我知道你一直主张不要让人站着干等，但尤其是这种情况。
Now I know you're a big proponent of not standing people up, but especially Especially.
那些需要时间的姿势
Positions that it requires time
才能到达的位置。
to get to.
百分之百。
100%.
百分之百。
100%.
居然有人能防守几秒钟，观众就开始嘘声四起，这就足以让你重新变得中立，真是见鬼。
The idea that a guy can defend it for a few seconds and the crowd boos and that's enough for you to make them neutral again, fuck you.
我明白。
I know.
对吧？
Right?
要达到那个位置真的太难了。
It's so hard to get to the to Komaru?
没错。
Yeah.
小丸子本来是想
Komaru was wanting to
像那样把他的后背护住。
get his back like that.
紧绷的状态才是维持这个位置的关键。
And the tightness is what keeps that position.
你懂的。
You know?
是的。
Yeah.
他一拉开空间，卡马鲁就没了。
Space he makes and Kamaru's gone.
在卡马鲁整个职业生涯里，有多少次被人逼到不利的缠斗位置？
Amount of times in the history of Kamaru's entire all the years of competition where people got him in disadvantageous grappling positions.
对吧？
Right?
我想不起来有几次。
I can't think of
次数极少。
There's very few.
非常少。
Very few.
莱昂·蒂亚倒下了。
Leon Tia down.
是的
Yeah.
奇马耶夫
Chimaev.
是的
Yeah.
是的
Yeah.
奇马耶夫
Chimaev.
但就连
But even
奇马耶夫，第三回合他其实占上风。
Chimaev, he was winning the third round.
对
Yeah.
他啊
Well, he
所以达米安·梅耶差点就赢了那场比赛。
So for Damien Mayer almost won that fight.
这比赛看起来就像我见过的那种——
It came like, that's a fight where I've
他一直
He been
赢下了最后一局。
won the last hand.
但他就在这儿。
But here he is.
他就在这儿。
Here he is.
这太疯狂了。
This is crazy.
天哪。
Oh, shit.
我需要提前知会一声吗？
Do I need heads up?
那是谁？
Who is that?
什么事？
Matter?
没事。
No.
我也是有身份的人。
I'm someone.
行吧。
Alright.
真够倒霉的。
That sucks.
再倒回去一点，好让你看清他当时的位置有多到位。
Back it up again so you could see how good the position was a little further.
那个勾手？
That hook?
能再往后退一点吗？
Can you get it a little further back?
对。
Yeah.
就这儿。
Here.
我想看看他什么时候开始缠住的。
So I I wanted to see, like, when he starts entangling.
这对卡马罗太不利了。
This is so bad for Kamaro.
你得明白这有多糟糕。
You have to understand how bad this is.
是的。
Yeah.
这情况很糟。
This is bad.
这不仅仅是他只是在你身后那么简单。
This is a this is not just simply he's, like, behind you.
而且玛雅已经掌握了这个进展。
And Maya had that he the progression.
就像是
Like, it was
他马上就要打败那个巫师了。
He was just about to beat that wizard.
老兄，你看看这个姿势多漂亮。
Bro, look how good this looks too.
玛雅简直像只大猩猩。
Maya is just a gorilla.
他的摔跤技术也被低估了。
His wrestling was underestimated too.
他其实是
Like, he was
所以他在每一方面都特别讲究技术。
So it was technical in everything.
他利用杠杆和位置的技巧总是恰到好处。
And this use of leverage and the his positioning was always perfect.
当你看到有人在UFC里把柔术玩到这种顶级水平，真的会忍不住惊叹，天哪。
It just was so beautiful to when you see a guy just super high level jujitsu in the UFC, you're just like, oh my god.
看这种对决简直是一种享受。
This is beautiful to watch.
是的。
Yeah.
我很喜欢他这种步步为营、稳扎稳打的打法。
I love how methodical he's working his way his his way into this.
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