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换银行能赚数千英镑?| 政府是否会撤回学生贷款计划2的涨价方案

Make £1,000s from switching bank? | Will government back track on Plan 2 Student Loan hike

本集简介

This week on The Martin Lewis Podcast, is a bank account bonanza. Eight current accounts are now paying £175 or more to switch, and in some cases the rewards don't stop there. A number of packaged bank accounts are effectively paying you to sign up too, meaning you could get travel insurance, mobile phone cover and breakdown protection for the whole family thrown in — benefits that can easily be worth £500 a year or more. Martin cuts through the jargon, answers your questions and reveals the top bank account best buys right now. Plus, the long-awaited Treasury Select Committee report into Plan 2 student loans has finally landed. The report says many borrowers were effectively misled, echoing Martin's long-standing argument that the Government has a "moral duty" to reverse the planned increase in repayments for existing borrowers. Martin explains what the report says, what it means politically, and whether it could make a practical difference to those affected. And in this week’s Tell Us, we're uncovering the insider secrets of the restaurant trade. From the best ways to get value for money to what staff really think about the wine list, those who work in restaurants share their tips and tricks. If you want to ask Martin a question, you now can! His Question Time podcast lets you ask Martin absolutely anything and everything (within reason!). So, if you’ve always wanted to know how many potted plants he has in his house, if his clocks are all precisely synchronised (or not), or have a very complicated question about your finances, email it to MartinLewisPodcast@bbc.co.uk.

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这是目前所有贷款产品中条件最优惠的。

It has the best terms possible of any form of lending out there.

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有86%换过银行账户的人都说特别简单,一点不麻烦,这简直太轻松了。

86% of people who switch bank accounts said it was easy and hassle free, but this really is, you know, lemon squeezy.

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所以,它在各种选择里就占了这么个位置。

So that's where it fits into the panoply of loaves.

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我个人觉得这个三重计划不道德,违背了基本的公平原则。

I personally think this plan threes is immoral and a breach of natural justice.

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你好。

Hello.

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我是马丁·刘易斯,欢迎收听这档名叫《马丁·刘易斯播客》的节目。

I'm Martin Lewis, and this is the cunningly named the Martin Lewis podcast.

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我倒是挺好奇这期会聊些什么。

I do wonder what that's gonna be about.

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这期是我们主打的专题节目,每周聚焦一个核心话题,帮你省钱。

And this is our big topic episode where each week we lead on one main subject to help you save.

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通常这内容来自我和阿德里安·查尔斯在BBC第五广播电台的节目。

Usually, it comes from my BBC Radio five live show with Adrian Charles.

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但这一周是独家播客版,所以你听不到那些内容了。

But this week, it's pod only, so you won't be getting any of that.

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这期是专门为你这些幸运的播客听众准备的特别节目。

It's a special one just for you lucky, lucky podcast listeners.

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今天这期节目,我们来一场银行账户大放送。

And in today's episode, it's a bank account bonanza.

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目前有八个账户,只要你换户,就给你发超过175英镑的奖励,而且难得的是,有些套餐账户也在给钱,这意味着你还能免费获得全家人的旅行保险、手机保险和道路救援服务,这些加起来一年值500英镑甚至更多。

Eight accounts are currently paying you over £175 to switch, and rarely, we're seeing some packaged accounts paying too, meaning you can effectively get free travel insurance, mobile phone insurance, and breakdown cover for the whole family, often worth over £500 a year or more.

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我会一一给你讲清楚这些怎么操作,怎么多次换户能赚几千英镑,回答你的问题,帮你挑最划算的选项。

I'll talk you through all of that and how you can multiply switch to make thousands of pounds, answer your questions, and give you the best buys.

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另外,大家期待已久的财政部委员会关于二号学生贷款计划的报告终于发布了。

Plus, the long awaited Treasury Committee reported to Plan two student loans has come out.

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报告指出,这些贷款被不当销售了。

It says they were missold.

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这和我之前的说法一致:政府有道德责任撤销计划中对数百万仍有学生贷款人群提高还款额的决定。

And it's matching my language on saying the government has a moral duty to reverse its planned increase in repayments for the millions with outstanding student loans.

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我们也会详细分析这项决定在政治上和实际操作中意味着什么。

We'll go through what that means, both politically and practically, in detail too.

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本周的‘告诉我们’栏目,聚焦餐厅从业人员的内部秘诀和实用建议,比如:该点菜单上的头牌红酒,还是第二便宜的那款?

In this week's Tell Us, it's all about insider secrets and tips from those who work in restaurants, including should you order the house wine or the one second down on the list.

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播放主题曲。

Play the theme tune.

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大家好,欢迎收听本期《大话题》播客节目。

Hello, everybody, and welcome to this Big Topics episode of the podcast.

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通常我都会和亚德里安在BBC五台一起做这个节目,但这周改成了温布尔登十五号演播室全权负责。

Now normally, I'm doing this on Radio five Live with Adrian, but this week, it's Wimbledon fifteen, all.

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也就是说,五台那边不播了。

And that means that's not on air.

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取而代之的是,我来模仿温布尔登的风格,今天还请来了播客制作人西蒙一起参与。

Instead, you've got me doing impressions of Wimbledon, and I am joined by podcast producer Simon.

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你们这些常听节目的人应该知道,西蒙平时都是在和亚德里安的整点节目结束后才登场,负责收拾残局,问那些没人提到的问题。

Now, those of you who listen regularly will know Simon is normally our super substitute coming on at the end once the hour with Adrian is finished, and he's there to pick up the pieces and ask the questions that haven't been asked.

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这周呢,他直接升到了主力团队。

This week, he's been promoted to the main team.

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他是马丁·刘易斯播客里的安东尼·戈登。

He is the Anthony Gordon of the Martin Lewis podcast.

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对这次升职,你感觉怎么样,西蒙?

How are feeling about that promotion, Si?

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从体能上说,我一到高海拔地方就状态不好。

Well, fitness wise, I don't perform well at altitude.

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虽然今天要撑满一小时,但我真的很高兴能来。

We'll see we've got a full hour in me, but I'm delighted to be here.

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今天阳光真好。

The sun's out.

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你是想说,因为我说话太快,把空气里的氧气都吸光了?

Are you trying to say that because of the speed I talk, I suck all the breath out of the air?

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说真的,今天你做什么都无所谓。

To be fair, it wouldn't matter what you were to do today.

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太阳出来了。

The sun's out.

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英格兰队足球踢得不错。

England are doing well in the football.

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亚瑟·费里在温布尔登的表现也很出色。

Arthur Ferry's doing well at Wimbledon.

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我对现在的一切感觉特别乐观。

I'm feeling very positive about things.

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你肯定想听听我周六遇到的一件趣事。

And you'll like to hear a funny thing happened to me on Saturday.

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说来听听。

Go on.

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我周六去看了板球比赛。

I went to the cricket on Saturday.

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我当时正坐电车过去。

I was getting the tram there.

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这是英格兰对印度的比赛吗?

Is this England India?

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是英格兰对印度,比赛在尼斯举行的。

It was England India Nice.

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那是一场二十国国际赛。

In the t twenty international.

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他们简直把对方打得落花流水。

Well, they absolutely romped them all over the place.

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没错。

They did.

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而且,15岁的维巴夫·西罗万奇还完成了首秀,整个比赛特别精彩。

And also 15 year old Vibhav Sirovanchi made his debut, so it was all very exciting.

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我坐电车的时候,刚到曼彻斯特市中心,一个穿着鹿角装的家伙上了我坐的那趟车。

Was I getting the tram, and as I got into center of Manchester, a stag dude got on the tram where I was sat.

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大概有十五个小伙子。

It was about 15 lads.

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明白了。

Okay.

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那个新郎光头,所以他们都戴着假发套。

The stag was bald, so they were all wearing bald caps.

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你知道的,一路上我看起来简直就像他们新郎团的一员。

And now, as you know, it basically looked like I was part of the stag team for the journey.

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最后还跟他们拍了不少自拍。

Ended up getting selfies with them at the end.

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这就是我的日常了。

So welcome to my world.

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是的,没错。

Yeah, yeah.

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对,不过我可不是因为头发少才这样。

Yeah, but not for the hair in my case, almost.

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我觉得我们该继续了。

I think we should move on.

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对。

Right.

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今天我们要重点聊的是银行账户。

So the big stuff we're going to do today is we are going to be talking about bank accounts.

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我之所以想聊这个,是因为有八家银行愿意付你至少175英镑,只要你换账户。

And the reason I want to do that because there are eight banks willing to pay you at least £175 to switch.

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没错,我们也会讲到连续换账户的事——有些人靠这个赚了上千英镑。

And yes, we'll be talking about serially switching where some people make thousands of pounds from doing so.

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我们还会讨论这对你的信用评分有什么影响。

We'll be getting into the impact on your credit score.

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今天我们要重点回应大家的问题,因为我们不是在电台直播。

And we're focusing really on answering your questions today because we're not on the radio.

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相反,我们会更随意一点,直接回应你们发来的成百上千条关于换银行账户的问题。

Instead, we're going to be less structured and really do it about the hundreds and hundreds of questions you've sent in about bank account switching.

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但我们现在做这个的真正原因是,捆绑式银行账户很少提供换户奖励。

But the real reason for doing this right now is packaged bank accounts rarely have switching bonuses.

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所谓捆绑式银行账户,就是你每月付大概15英镑,银行就送你全家的全球旅行保险、手机保障,还有道路救援服务。

Now a packaged bank account is where you pay, say £15 a month and you get for the bank account, but you get worldwide travel insurance for the family and mobile phone cover for the family and breakdown cover the family thrown in.

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所以对那些本来就要买这些保险的人来说,这种账户其实很划算。

So for those people who would be buying those insurances anyway, they can be a really good deal.

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目前确实有少数几家捆绑式账户在提供换户奖金。

And right now, we do have a few packaged bank accounts that are paying you to switch.

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也就是说,他们给的奖金基本能抵掉月费,等于你白拿这些保险服务。

So the amount they're paying effectively covers that fee, which means you're getting the insurances for free.

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这正是我今天选择讲这个话题的主要原因。

And that's really why I've chosen to do this as a subject today.

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但你们也发来了成百上千个问题。

But also, you have sent in hundreds of questions.

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我今天最想做的,就是把你们所有的问题都答清楚。

And what I want to focus on is getting all of your questions answered.

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我会按照这个方式来组织内容。

I'm going to structure it that way.

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不过在那之前,我们先来看看这周关于学生资助的最新消息。

Before we do that, though, we're going to get into news we've had this week about student finance.

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这周的学生贷款新闻是,英国议会跨党派的财政委员会发布了题为《学生贷款:问题重重,不公平》的报告。

The student loan news this week is that the influential cross party Treasury Committee of MPs has published its report titled student loans broken and unfair question mark.

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在我看来,这个问号根本没必要。

In my view, there shouldn't be a question mark.

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这份报告是在广泛收集了公众关于二型学生贷款的意见后完成的。

And this is on the back of seeking evidence from people primarily about Plan two student loans.

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二型贷款针对的是2012年至2022年间在英格兰和威尔士上大学的学生。

Now those are the loans for people who started university in England and Wales from 2012 up and to started in 2022.

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这类未偿还的贷款数量远超其他任何类型的贷款。

And it is the outstanding loans that are out there far more than any other loans in the country.

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所以这是最主要的一类。

So it's the big one.

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这些贷款的利率都高于通胀率。

And these are the ones where the interest rate that's added to your balance is above inflation.

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对此,很多人感到非常不满。

There's been a lot of anger about this.

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这份报告中,财政委员会收到了超过五万两千份公众提交的意见。

Now, the report, the Treasury Committee has had over 52,000 submissions from the public.

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他们还收到了学生组织和消费者团体的详细证词,包括我和《省钱专家》网站。

It's also had detailed evidence from student and consumer groups, including me and moneysavingexpert.com.

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我们提交了一份长篇报告,详细指出了学生贷款存在的各种问题。

We put in a large submission to this about all the problems that are wrong with student loans.

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这份报告本周刚刚发布。

It is report is out this week.

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报告里提到了不少值得关注的内容。

It has said a number of interesting things.

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西蒙,我们是不是也收到了一些关于这个的问题?

Simon, I think we've got questions on this, haven't we?

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是的,确实有不少。

Yeah, had quite a few.

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我特意挑了几个例子出来。

I've actually picked a few examples out.

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在谈这些之前,我先给你简要总结一下这份报告,以及我个人的看法。

Okay, before we get to those, let me give you a summary of the report and roughly my view on this.

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我认为这份报告中最关键的三点是:第一,他们明确指出,财政大臣有道德责任,必须取消明年计划对二类学生贷款还款门槛的冻结。

Now, I think the three most important things in this report are first of all, they have said that the chancellor has a moral duty to reverse the planned freeze next year on the repayment threshold for Plan two student loans.

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我很高兴看到报告里用了‘道德’这个词,这和我自财政大臣在预算案中宣布这项政策以来一直强调的观点高度一致。

And I was delighted to see the word moral in there, because that echoes very strongly what I've been saying pretty much ever since the chancellor announced this in a budget.

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我个人认为,这种三类贷款计划是不道德的,违背了基本的公平正义。

I personally think this plan threes is immoral, and a breach of natural justice.

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你们可能会说,未来我们要改革学生资助体系,好吧,即使我不喜欢,即使我们都不喜欢,这毕竟是民选政府做出的政治决定。

This is why you're going to say we're going to change the way that student finance works in future, well, while I may not like it, while we may not like it, it is a political choice that an elected government has chosen to do.

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但明年政府计划做的,根本不是这么回事。

But that is not what it is planning to do next year.

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他们打算做的,是冻结现有二类学生贷款的还款门槛,这实际上提高了有这类贷款的人每年需要偿还的金额。

What it's planning to do is to freeze the threshold on existing Plan two loans, which effectively increases the amount those with those loans must repay each year.

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这是一种追溯性的、单方面更改合同的做法,在其他任何行业或情况下几乎都是不允许的。

That is a retrospective, one-sided contractual change that would not be allowed in almost any other circumstance or sector.

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更糟糕的是,很多签署这些合同的人当时才18岁,根本没人跟他们清楚解释过这到底意味着什么。

And worse, the people that effects signed up to those contracts in many cases when they were 18 years of age, with little or no explanation of what they were getting into.

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所以我才说这是不道德的,违背了基本的公平原则——因为这是追溯调整,有些合同甚至早在十四年前就签了,任何一家商业公司都不敢这么干。

That's why I call it immoral and a breach of natural justice, because it is a retrospective change going back in some cases to contracts signed fourteen years ago, no commercial company would be allowed to do that.

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监管机构早就该叫停这种做法了。

The regulator would strike that down.

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从明年四月起,政府打算连续三年冻结还款门槛,这根本就是不公平的。粗略估算一下,具体数额取决于通胀率,三年后,一个普通学生每年得多还300英镑。

And it is fundamentally unfair that this government is choosing to do that from next April freezing the repayment threshold for three years, the net effect on a rough calculation, and it depends on what the rate of inflation would be, is after the three years, a typical student would be paying £300 a year more each year back.

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对于一个普通学生的贷款周期来说,这会多出成千上万英镑的还款总额。

And over the course of a student loan for a typical student, it will add thousands of pounds to the amount paid back.

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我不认为这种追溯性的做法是公平的。

I don't think it's fair to do that retrospectively.

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他们提到的第二点我觉得很有意思,也很高兴看到,他们说政府在学生贷款上,应该和商业贷款机构一样,遵守同样的消费者权益准则,遵循公平的规则。

The second thing they've said that I think is interesting, and I'm delighted to see is they have said that the government should effectively be bound by the same consumer duty for student loans as a commercial lender with the proper fairness rules that commercial lenders have.

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但他们现在说的,只限于学生贷款的推广和营销方式。

It's only talking about the promotion of student loans, how they're marketed.

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我个人觉得,应该涵盖学生贷款的全部行为。

I personally think it should be all student loan behavior.

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但他们没这么说。

That's not what they're saying.

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但我是这么认为的。

It is what I'm saying.

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让我既欣慰又沮丧的是,这个问题我早就提过十多年了。

And what's both delightful but really frustrating for me on this particular issue is I have been proposing this for over a decade.

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2015年联合政府宣布冻结还款时,我就为此发起过一场运动。

I actually ran a campaign on it when the coalition government in 2015 announced a repayment freeze then.

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我当时甚至想告上法庭,申请司法复核,但律师说我们赢不了,因为条款的写法太有漏洞了。

I actually tried to take them court and with a very judicial review, but the lawyer advice was we wouldn't win because of the way that it was drafted.

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所以我们发起了一场运动,说服一位议员提出修正案,建议学生贷款应受金融行为监管局管辖,并适用当时适用的消费者保护义务。

So instead we did a campaign, I got an MP to put in an amendment to the student loan regulation suggesting that student loans should be governed by the FCA and the equivalent of the consumer duty at the time.

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这位议员有趣的是,就是韦斯特·斯廷宁。

That MP interestingly was West Streeting.

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那时候他只是一个普通议员。

He was just a backbench MP then.

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但在贷款还款冻结期间,他却进入了内阁,这在我看来有点讽刺。

He's been a member of the cabinet during the time that this freeze was put in, which seems slightly ironic to me.

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我很高兴现在有一群议员提出要把这些条款固定下来,但我也非常沮丧,因为这些年来,二类学生贷款的条件已经严重恶化。

So I'm delighted that this group of MPs is now suggesting that these terms should be locked in, but really frustrated because we have seen horrific degradation of student loan terms for Plan two over all these years.

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如果2016年我们就有了这项规定,根本不会陷入现在这种糟糕的境地。

And if we'd had that rule in since 2016, we would never have got in the nightmare position that we're in right now.

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我还想说,即使这些改变真的实现了,即使还款门槛真的被调回——我相信不仅因为这份报告,更因为新一届政府即将上台,这种调整迟早会发生。

And it's worth me saying that even with those changes, even if they came in place, and I do think the reversal of the repayment threshold will happen both because of this report, but mainly because we have a new regime coming in.

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我觉得新一届政府可能更容易接受这种观点。

And I think that new regime may be more sympathetic to this argument.

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所以我希望这些条款能被改回来。

So I'm hopeful it will be reversed.

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但学生贷款体系本身已经彻底出了问题。

But student loans are fundamentally broken.

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还款起征点应该每年提高好几千英镑。

The repayment threshold should be many thousands of pounds a year higher.

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利率必须下调。

The interest rate should be reduced.

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它应该像委员会建议的那样,与消费者价格指数或零售价格指数挂钩。

It should link, as the committee say, to CPI inflation or RPI inflation.

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在英格兰,生活补助的门槛必须上调,整个系统——包括它的传达方式——都需要彻底重构。

Maintenance thresholds need up ratings certainly in England, and the whole system, including the way it's communicated needs a fundamental reset.

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我得说清楚这个委员会到底是什么性质的。

I need to be plain about what this committee is.

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这是一个跨党派的议员小组。

It is a committee of cross party MPs.

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这不是政府的决定。

It is not the government.

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这只是给政府的一个建议。

This is a recommendation to government.

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政府并不一定要采纳。

The government doesn't have to follow it.

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但显然,随着未来几个月政权更替,现在正是推动改变的好时机。

But obviously, with the change of administration we have coming in over the next months, this is a sweet spot time to see a change coming in there.

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你好,这里是制片人西蒙。

Hi, producer Simon here.

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政府给我们发来了这份声明。

The government has sent us this statement.

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财政部委员会的调查为改善学生资助体系的讨论作出了重要贡献,也揭示了本届政府所继承的混乱与失灵的体系。

The Treasury Committee's inquiry makes an important contribution to the debate on improving the student finance system and lays bare the confusion and broken system inherited by this government.

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我们将继续寻找方法,以财政可持续的方式,让这一制度对学生、毕业生和纳税人更加公平,并将在适当时候对委员会的报告作出回应。

We will continue to look for ways to make the system fairer for students, graduates and taxpayers in a financially sustainable way, and we'll respond to the committee's report in due course.

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我们回到播客上来。

Back to the pod.

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所以西蒙,我觉得我说得差不多了。

So Simon, I think I'll probably I've said enough.

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咱们来回答几个问题吧。

Let's do some questions on it.

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第一个问题是:你好,我想问一下关于二型学生贷款的事。

Well, the first question we've got, hi, I'd like to ask a question about Plan two student loans.

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最近几周,随着对二型贷款和不公平利率的讨论增多,议会里也有人提到了这个问题。

With the increase in conversation around Plan two loans and the unfair interest rate, It was raised by loop charters in parliament in the past few weeks.

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你觉得这算不算一场误导销售的丑闻?

Do you think it is a miss selling scandal?

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现在很多人都在说,银行当初向人推销这种贷款时,很可能已经知道会出问题。

There's a lot of talk about how the bank was to sell someone this type of loan that would likely be investigated.

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我知道这更多被描述成一种税收。

I know it's described more as a tax.

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但说到底,这更像是对工薪阶层的一种税收,因为他们很可能永远还不清贷款,只能一直承受不公平的利率。

However, it seems like only really a tax on maybe more working class people as likely they may never pay off and always be paying unfair interest rates.

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我们知道,马丁·刘易斯团队一直积极推动金融领域的改革,与议员和企业争取更公平的政策。

We know the Martin Lewis team always try and pioneer for better, fairer changes with finance with MPs and businesses.

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未来马丁会就这个问题和他们进一步沟通吗?

Is this something Martin will be talking about with them in the future?

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此致,苏比拉。

Kind regards, Subira.

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好的,我来把这个问题拆成两部分。

Okay, I want to split that into two.

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首先,我们来看看所谓的误导销售问题。

First of all, let's look at the misselling point.

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卢克·查特斯是工党的议员。

Luke Charters is a Labour MP.

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我以前就学生贷款的问题和他聊过。

I've spoken to him about student loans in the past.

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财政部委员会表示,这些贷款存在误导销售的问题。

The Treasury Committee said that these loans were missold.

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所以我们直说吧。

So let's be really plain.

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财政部委员会中跨党派的议员们指出,这些贷款确实被误导销售了,他们特别提到早期官方宣传中的沟通方式存在问题。

The Treasury Committee cross party group of MPs said that these loans were missold, and they were specifically talking about the way they were communicated in official communications in the early days.

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不过,他们的观点我基本认同——虽然我不是律师——这些贷款确实被误导了,但严格来说这不算误导销售。

However, what they've said, and I do have a tendency to agree with them, although not I'm a lawyer, is they were missold, but this isn't misselling.

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这听起来可能有点矛盾,但很遗憾,政府目前并不构成法律意义上的误导销售,因为针对贷款的消费者保护法规根本不存在,也没有相关监管。

And that may seem a really strange duality, but unfortunately, it doesn't look like the government can missell loans because the regulations for misselling in loans, because there's no consumer duty, there's no regulation around it.

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从道德层面来说,我认为在某些情况下,这些贷款确实被误导销售了。

So morally, certainly, I think they were missold in some cases.

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但我觉得,要就此提起误导销售的诉讼会非常困难,尽管有些律师可能持不同意见,而最终这会进入法律程序。

But I think it will probably be very difficult to have a misselling case about it, although some lawyers may disagree, and ultimately that would move into the legal sphere.

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如果有一些集体诉讼律师决定接手此案,并认为能找到足够的法律先例来支持起诉的话。

If some group action lawyers decided to take this on and think that they could find that there was, you know, legal precedent in order for taking this on.

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你们应该听过我说过,我2015年就试过这事。

You've heard me say I tried to do this in 2015.

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这事儿跟当时很像。

And it's a very similar issue.

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我当时花大价钱请来的顾问,说得明明白白,根本站不住脚。

And the advice that I paid for, the expensive advice I paid for at the time, was very, very plain to me that there was not a leg to stand on.

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所以那时候我很高兴,靠着政治压力,让政府退了一步,改了还款门槛,根本没用上打官司。

So I was very pleased at the time I actually got the government to backtrack on the repayment threshold through political pressure, as opposed to through having to go to court.

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现在说第二个问题:这算不算税?

Let me take this second question of is it a tax?

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我从不觉得这是税,但我也不会说它是贷款。

I would never call it a tax, but I wouldn't call it a loan either.

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我觉得‘计划二’系统应该叫‘毕业生贡献计划’。说实话,有些人抱怨计划二的理由,恰恰说明这事儿已经被政治化了,大家对它的理解其实根本不到位。

I think certainly the Plan two system should be called a graduate contribution scheme, and I need to be honest, some of the reasons I hear people complaining about Plan two, I think just show what a political football this has become, and how fundamentally understood Plan two loans are.

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当然,这不代表计划二就没啥好抱怨的。

Now, that doesn't mean there aren't many reasons to complain about Plan two.

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从这个计划推出那天起,我就一直坚持认为,学生贷款的利率不该高于通胀率。

Since the day it was launched, I've said on principle, I don't think that there should be above inflation interest rate on student loans.

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不过说实话,对大多数人来说,这其实并不是最关键的问题。

Although in practical terms, that isn't actually the problem for most people.

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真正的问题在于还款起征点。

The problem is the repayment threshold.

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让我试着解释一下,虽然这有点复杂。

Let me try and explain, though this is tough.

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你要明白,学生贷款每年还多少,完全取决于你收入超过还款起征点的部分。

The thing to understand about student loans is the only thing that dictates what you repay each year is how much you earn above the repayment threshold.

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目前的还款起征点是略高于2.9万英镑,如果你年收入刚超过3.9万英镑,那就对超出部分按9%还款。

That repayment threshold is currently just over £29,000 So if you earn just over £39,000 you repay 9% of everything above the threshold.

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每年就是还900英镑,不管你总欠款和利息是3万、6万、9万,甚至300万英镑,都一样。

That's £900 a year and you repay £900 a year, whether your total debt and interest is £30,000 £60,000 £90,000 or hey, pounds 3,000,000.

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每年你还多少,唯一看的就只是你收入超过起征点有多少。

The only thing that impacts what you repay each year is how much you earn above the threshold.

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你借了多少钱、加了多少利息,唯一影响的是你是否能在贷款被豁免前还清——Plan Two 的贷款在三十年后就会自动取消。

The only thing that the amount you have borrowed plus interest impacts is whether you will clear the loan in full before it wipes and the loan on Plan two wipes after thirty years.

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现在从数学角度看,绝大多数Plan Two贷款的人,超过四分之三预计在三十年内都无法还清全款。既然如此,就算利息不断累积,你最终也还不上,那这部分利息虽然让人心理上不舒服,但从财务上来说并不会造成实际损失。

Now, if we look at the maths at the moment, the vast majority of people on Plan two loans over three quarters of them are predicted not to repay in full over the thirty years, in which case, if extra interest is being added on top, and you're not going to repay in the thirty years anyway, that interest, while psychologically damaging, is not financially damaging because you won't have to repay it.

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绝大多数Plan Two贷款的人,根本还不了全部累积的利息。

The vast majority of people on Plan two loans will not repay all of the interest added.

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很多人连本金都还不完,因为他们的收入达不到还款门槛,更别说利息了。

Many of them won't repay any of the interest added because they won't earn enough over the threshold to repay what they borrowed in the first place.

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所以有人问,这跟工薪阶层有关。

So the question said it's about working class.

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情况变得更复杂了,因为算学生贷款这笔账时,得同时看新进来的人和即将结束还款的人。

This gets even more complicated, because what you have to understand when you do the maths on student loans is there's people on the way in and people on the way out.

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在大多数情况下,你每年还多少,取决于你的收入,除非是特别特别富有的人——他们根本不需要申请学生贷款,因为父母早就帮他们付了,这一点我承认确实是个问题。

What dictates how much you repay in most cases, with the exception of the very, very wealthy who don't need to take student loans in the first place because their parents can pay it off for them, and that I accept is a real problem.

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但如果我们讨论的是真正申请了学生贷款的人,那关键并不在于你父母当初有多少积蓄。

But if we talk about those who do take student loans, it's not how much money your parents had going in.

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这确实会对生活费贷款和你的借款总额产生一点影响。

That does have a slight impact on the amount of maintenance loan and the borrowing you have.

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关键在于你毕业后能赚多少钱。

It's really how much you earn coming out.

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真正决定你还款多少的,是你后期的收入水平。

So it's about what you earn on the back end that dictates how much you repay.

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只有收入最高的人,才可能在三十年内全额还清。

And it is only the highest earners who will repay in full over the thirty years.

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其余的人最终都会持续还款,所以不妨把它看作是一种额外的9%税款。

The rest will be repaying and therefore should contemplate this as a effectively 9% additional tax.

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严格来说这不是税,而是一种贷款协议,但它本质上就是我所说的‘毕业生贡献计划’。

It isn't a tax, it's a loan contract, it doesn't, but that's why I call it a graduate contribution scheme.

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但从心理感受上,它就像多交了9%的税。

But psychologically, it works like a 9% additional tax.

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那我为什么要这样解释呢?

And why do I explain this in this way?

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我看过不少人在电视上抱怨学生贷款,我完全理解他们为什么这么生气,我一点都不会责怪他们。

Because I've seen a number of people complaining about student loans on TV, and I totally get why I'm not having a go at them at all.

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但当我听到有人说,因为我拿了本科贷款和硕士贷款,现在欠了八万四千英镑,利息还涨得飞快,每年只还五百块,这辈子都还不清,搞得我一团糟,

But when I hear someone saying my debt because I took out an undergraduate loan and a master's loan is £84,000 and the interest is going up really rapidly, and I'm paying off £500 a year and I'll never be able to repay it and I don't know and this is causing me all types of problems.

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我就想说:别急,别急。

I just want to say stop, stop.

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这个学生贷款体系,特别是Plan 2,本来设计的就是按收入比例来还款的研究生贡献制度。

This student loan system, Plan 2 specifically, was set up to be a graduate contribution system where you contribute in proportion to your earnings.

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你每年只还五百块,恰恰说明你现在的收入并不高。

The fact that you're only repaying £500 a year is because you are not earning very much.

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这正是制度设计的本意——你该还多少,就还多少。

That is what you are supposed to contribute.

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如果你本科和硕士贷款都拿了,债务总额很大,那除非你将来收入暴涨,否则根本不可能还清借的钱。

Now, you have a really big earning spike, if you've got an undergraduate loan and a master's loan on top, you are never going to get close to repaying what you borrowed.

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你现在每年只还五百块,那这辈子也别指望能还清了。

If you're only repaying £500 a year at the moment, you're never going to get close to that.

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而且这笔贷款大部分在三十年后就会被免除。

And most of this loan is actually going to be wiped off after thirty years.

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所以对你来说,根本没必要看还款账单,那对你没意义。

So for you, you shouldn't even be looking at your statements because they are irrelevant to you.

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你只需要想清楚:每年我收入超过两万九千英镑的部分,我会交9%作为还款。

You should just contemplate, I'm going to repay 9% of everything I earn above £29,000 each year.

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这其实有点像缴税。

It's a bit like a tax.

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明白这一点特别重要,因为现在大家在讨论计划二时,都在喊‘降低利率、降低利率、降低利率’。

And the reason that's so important to understand is because what everybody's saying on Plan two is cut the interest rate, cut the interest rate, cut the interest rate.

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降低利率只会帮到那些三十年内能还清的人,因为他们总共要还的金额会变少。

Cutting the interest rate will help those higher earners who'd clear within thirty years because they would repay less.

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对那些快还清的人也有帮助,因为他们现在能全额还清,也就少还了点。

It will help some people who are close to repaying in thirty years because they would now repay in full, so they would repay less.

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但对大多数中低收入的毕业生来说,降低利率根本没用,因为他们三十年内根本还不完。

It will not help most low to middle earning graduates because they will not repay in thirty years.

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现在利息已经累积得太多了,从今往后就算降低利率,也不会改变他们未来要还的总额。

And so much interest has already been added now that cutting the interest rate from this point onwards will not change what they repay in future.

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对他们来说,真正的问题是还款门槛本来应该上调,远比现在高才对。

The real problem for them is the repayment threshold was meant to move and be much higher than it is.

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实际上,你本该每年只对超过三万五千到三万六千英镑的收入部分,偿还9%。

And you should in reality be repaying 9% of everything you earn above £35,000 £36,000 a year.

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从实际角度看,这样能减少你的还款额,增加可支配收入,让你更快买得起房,因为你手头更宽裕,储蓄能力也更强。

And in practical terms, that would lower your repayments, give you more disposable income, get you on the housing ladder quicker because you'd have more disposable income and more ability to save.

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我并不反对降低利率,因为我觉得利率高于通胀率本身就不合理,理应跟CPI挂钩。

So I'm not opposed to lowering the interest rates because I think it's wrong on principle that we have interest rates above inflation and it should be linked to CPI.

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但如果给我一笔有限的资金,让我现在就优化这个体系——我得说得清楚一点——我不会去降利率,而是会提高还款门槛,因为我觉得这才是真正能帮到需要帮助的人的做法。

But if you gave me a limited amount of money to improve the system as it is now, and I phrase that very carefully, I wouldn't be cutting the interest rates, I would be increasing the repayment threshold, because I think that would help where help is needed.

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当然,如果能多拨钱,两方面一起改当然更好。

I mean, great, give more money and let's do both.

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但我觉得,理解这一点非常重要。

But I think it's important to understand that.

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好的,那接下来关于学生贷款该说什么呢?

Okay, so what next on student loans?

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嗯,我们来看这个情况。

Well, so we've got this one here.

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你好,马丁,希望你一切顺利。

Hi, Martin, hope you're well.

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我联系你是想咨询一下我的学生贷款还款问题。

I'm reaching out to get some advice on my student loan repayment.

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我2017年开始上学,2021年毕业。

I started studying in 2017 and graduated in 2021.

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那你是计划二?

Plan two then?

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对。

Yep.

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所以我属于计划二。

Therefore, I'm on plan two.

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好的。

Okay.

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明白了。

Yeah.

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我目前的学生贷款余额是66,451英镑,自从我开始工作以来,这笔钱几乎涨了近一万英镑。

My current student loan balance is £66,451 which has increased by almost £10,000 since I started working.

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我预计五月底会拿到一笔奖金,相当于我年薪的百分之二十。

I'm expecting a bonus at the end of May, which will be 20% of my salary.

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我税前的年薪是49,800英镑。

I'm paid £49,800 per year before tax.

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我查过了,这个月月底贷款公司会从我工资里扣掉大约一千英镑。

I've investigated how much the student loan company will take out of my pay at the end of this month, and it looks like it'll be around £1,000.

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能不能给我一些建议,怎么才能避免这笔还款?我愿意缴税,但贷款余额一直在涨,再这样还下去实在不合理。

Please, can you advise on how best to avoid this student finance payment as I'm fine with paying tax, but paying for a loan that is going to continuously increase doesn't seem right to me.

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我已经研究过一些我愿意考虑的养老金方案。

I've looked at possible pension options that I'm willing to explore.

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期待您的回复。

Look forward to hearing from you.

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谢谢,吉尔斯。

Thanks, Giles.

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吉尔斯,这确实很棘手,因为你的学生贷款还款是从税前收入里直接扣的,你几乎没法改变这个安排。

Giles, this is very difficult because your student loan contributions come from your gross tax, they come from your pre tax income, and there is very little you can do to change them.

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你的收入不太稳定,因为年底会有一笔大约一万英镑的奖金。

Now, you have irregular income because you're going to get a £10,000 rough bonus.

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有意思的是,虽然我们常说每年收入超过2.9万英镑的部分要缴9%的贷款还款,但实际在PAYE体系下,它是按月计算的,每个月的门槛是多少呢?

Now, what's interesting is while we talk about the student loan being 9% above the £29,000 rough threshold each year, actually, practically, when you're on PAYE pay as you earn, it's 9% above the monthly threshold, which is what I think about, what would it be?

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大概每个月是2400英镑。

It'd be about £2,400 a month.

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也就是说,你每月收入超过2400英镑的部分,就要缴9%作为贷款还款。

So you repay 9% of everything you earn about £2,400 a month.

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如果你有些月份收入没到2400英镑,但全年总收入没超过2.9万,那你可以申请把多扣的部分退回来。

If you had irregular income, that in some months you weren't above £2,400 but your total in the year was below £29,000 you can reclaim that back.

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但你收入超过两万九千英镑,本来就应该还款,如果你收入不稳定,那就太麻烦了——因为你得把这十万英镑奖金按全年平均分摊,每个月都算进去,然后按9%来还,根本没法避开。

But as you earn over £29,000 so you should be repaying, then if you have irregular income, it's a nightmare because you have to repay 9% of the £10,000 as if you were earning that across a year effectively, as if you've got that each month, because it's just 9% above.

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对此你真的无能为力。

And there is nothing you can do about that.

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你提到养老金,这里倒是有那么一点操作空间。

You mentioned pension, there is a slight option here.

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和大多数情况不同,增加养老金通常能帮你降到更低的税档,但学生贷款不适用这条规则,除非是薪资转移计划。

Unlike most things where increasing your pension can take you down the tax band, it doesn't work in student loans with the exception of salary sacrifice.

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如果你公司提供薪资转移计划,意思就是你跟公司说:我想多缴两千英镑养老金,那就相应把我的工资降低两千英镑,由公司直接把这笔钱存进你的养老金账户。这样不仅能省所得税,还能省国民保险,所以很多人这么做——这样一来,你的学生贷款计算基数就会降低。

So if you have a salary sacrifice option at your employer, which literally means you say, I want to increase my pension by £2,000 and to do that, you're going to reduce my salary by £2,000 and instead put the money in my pension for me, which gives you as well as the tax gain you normally get on a pension, it gives you a national insurance gain too, which is why people do it, then that would reduce your income for student loan purposes.

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不过,这种操作要为一次性奖金来安排,难度很大,说实话,不太现实。

But I think it would be quite difficult to organize for a one off, so it is a very difficult thing to do, I'm afraid.

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我只想提醒你一点:如果你年收入五万英镑,2021年毕业,现在又拿到一万英镑奖金。

The only thing I would say to you is if you're earning £50,000 and you graduated in 2021, and you're getting £10,000 of bonuses.

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虽然算起来特别复杂,但按你目前的发展势头来看,你很可能在三十年内就把贷款全还清了,根本用不着等贷款自动核销。

While it is incredibly difficult to work this out, you are likely if your career trajectory continues, because it sounds like you're doing well, to be in that group of people who would repay in full in the thirty years before the loan whites out.

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这个计算特别复杂,我专门开发了一个AI计算器来处理。

Now, it's an immensely complicated calculation, I've built an AI calculator to do it.

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但即便如此,最终结果还是取决于你未来几年的收入增长情况。

But even then, it just depends on how your salary progresses over the years.

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听起来你 definitely 属于那种能还清贷款的人。

But it would sound like you're certainly a candidate to be in that group who will repay.

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如果你收入较低,那确实会很让人沮丧,因为你多还的钱可能根本省不下什么,因为接下来三十年你还是得按收入的9%持续还款——但你不是这种情况。

So if you were a lower earner, it would be really frustrating because the extra payments you made towards your student loan would probably not save you any money in future because you'd still just keep repaying 9% of everything you earned for thirty years, but you're not.

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所以,至少能给你一点安慰:你多还的钱可能会减少总的利息支出,因为你三十年内能把本金全还清。

So if I can give you a little bit of silver lining to the cloud, at least that money may be reducing the total amount of interest you pay because you repay off in full over thirty years.

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除了通过薪资抵扣增加养老金,我想不出还有什么别的办法能降低你的还款额。

But other than salary sacrifice on pension, I can't think of much else that would reduce the amount that you paid.

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这周我们最后再聊一个关于学生贷款的问题。

And the final one we're going to do this week on student finance.

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亲爱的马丁,希望你一切顺利。

Dear Martin, I hope you're well.

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大家都关心你过得怎么样。

Everyone wants to know that you're well.

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我很好。

I am well.

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我非常好。

I'm very well.

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我非常好。

I'm very well.

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我今年26岁,有一笔二类学生贷款。

I am 26 years old and have a Plan two student loan.

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我的贷款余额从2022年的大约2.9万英镑,涨到了2025年的3.2万英镑以上。

My balance has risen from approximately £29,000 in 2022 to over £32,000 in 2025.

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是的。

Yep.

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虽然每月工资里都会自动扣还款,但根据我的账单,每年产生的利息都超过了我还款的金额,所以余额反而在增加。

Despite repayments being deducted through PAYE, according to my statements, interest added each year has exceeded my repayments, causing the balance to grow.

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大多数申请二类贷款的人都会遇到这种情况,尤其是贷款时间长、还得少的人,因为利息是基于余额不断累积的。

And that is going to be the case for most people on Plan two loans, especially if you've had them a long time, and you haven't repaid that much off because the interest is built upon the balance.

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但我还是要提醒一下我之前说过的话。

But I refer you to what I said earlier.

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我说这个不是为了搞政治,而是想说,这些贷款其实很贵,本质上就像额外征收9%的毕业生税,这感觉确实不轻。

In many, and I do this not to make a political point, these loans are expensive, a 9% additional graduate tax effectively, which is what it will feel like is expensive.

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但从个人理财的角度来看,如果你处在这种情况下,你只需要在收入超过门槛后,每年拿出9%支付30年,根本不用操心利息,也没必要还清。

But I do it to the point that the way you need to contemplate it from a personal finance perspective, if you're in that position, is you're going to pay 9% of everything you earn above the threshold for thirty years, you don't need to worry about the interest, you are not obligated to pay it off.

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你没有道德义务去还清这笔贷款,它本来就没打算让所有人都还清,只打算让那些在期限内能还清的人还清。

There is no moral responsibility to pay off the loan, they were not designed to be paid off by everybody, they were designed only to be paid off by those who aren't enough to pay them off in the period.

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但现在大家的观念变了,总觉得你借了钱就该还。

And that language, that conversation seems to have changed into, you know, people need to pay off what they borrowed.

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其实它们压根就不该叫贷款。

They were never meant to have been called loans.

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其他国家压根就不叫贷款。

They're not called loans in other countries.

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它们叫研究生缴费制度。

They're called graduate contribution system.

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之所以叫贷款,是因为托尼·布莱尔不想新增一项税收。

The reason they're called loans is because Tony Blair didn't want to introduce another tax.

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所以他们得换个说法,不能直接说是税收,得包装成贷款的样子,因为他不想搞新税。

So they had to come up with another form of phrasing rather than something that was akin to a tax that made it feel like a loan because he didn't want to be introducing a tax.

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这其实是个语言问题。

It's a language issue.

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我们把学生贷款这么命名,用词上出了问题,尤其是对二类计划来说。

And the way that we've named them the nomenclature about student loans, I think has been a real problem, especially for Plan two.

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二类计划比其他任何计划都更像一种有期限的研究生缴费。

Plan two more than any of the other plans is more like a time limited graduate tax.

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不是因为合同关系,而是对大多数人来说,它本质上更接近一种有期限的研究生缴费。

It isn't because it's a contract, but it's more like a time limited graduate tax for most people than any other.

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不好意思,你继续问。

Sorry, carry on with the question.

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安妮,我觉得她其实担心的是自己会成为那个最终还得把钱还清的人。

Well, Annie, I think is actually she's concerned about being part of that section who will pay off.

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我目前的收入在四万英镑左右,外加一点年终奖金,但很快我就要换一份年薪大约七万英镑的工作。

So my earnings have been around £40,000 plus a small annual bonus, but I'm shortly moving into a role paying approximately £70,000 per year.

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这可是个重大转折。

Game changer.

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没错。

Yeah.

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考虑到我的年龄、目前大约三万两千英镑的未还余额,以及预期的薪资上涨,现在主动多还一些钱在财务上更划算吗?还是继续只还强制要求的金额就好?

Given my age, outstanding balance of around £32,000, and expected salary increase, does it now make financial sense to make voluntary overpayments, or should I continue to only make the compulsory repayments?

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我很希望听听你的建议,因为我实在搞不清楚这笔贷款最终会不会全还清,多还钱长期来看能不能省下更多。

I'll be grateful for your thoughts as I am struggling to understand whether the loan is likely to be repaid in full and whether overpaying would save me money in the long term.

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此致,安妮。

Kind regards, Annie.

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这是个非常有意思的问题,安妮。

It's a really interesting question, Annie.

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这跟之前那个情况很相似。

It's quite similar to the one before.

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你马上要换工作,26岁,年薪7万英镑,对吧?

So if you're going to be moving, you're 26 years old, you're going be on £70,000 high salary, right?

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所以你的职业发展路径是挺高的。

And you're therefore on a high career plan.

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单从基础来看,你30年内应该能还清全部贷款。

So on a base look, it looks like you would clear in full over thirty years.

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不过这事儿真的挺复杂,没有标准答案。

Again, it's really complicated, there is no right answer.

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你得仔细考虑几件事。

There are a number of things you need to contemplate.

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你的职业上升势头能一直保持下去吗?

Will your career progression continue at the same rate?

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如果你将来要休产假或陪产假,时间会不会很长?因为这会直接影响还款情况。

Will you be taking a long time off for maternity or paternity if you're a man, because that affects it.

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如果你要休较长的产假或陪产假,这个情况其实挺有意思的。

Maternity and paternity is really interesting if you're taking substantial time off.

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如果你收入偏低或中等,三十年内还不清贷款,那反而对你有利,因为这段时间你还款额更少,最后根本不用还完。

If you're a low to middle earner who won't clear within the thirty years, then it's actually arguably beneficial to you because it just means you're making less repayments over that period and you would never have to pay them back anyway.

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所以你根本不需要再补上那些欠款。

So you won't ever have to catch them back up.

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但如果你收入中高甚至很高,三十年内能还清,那反而不利,因为利息一直在累积。

If you're a mid high to high earner who will clear in full over the thirty years, then it's negative for you because the interest rate is being added.

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所以这个情况确实值得仔细琢磨。

So it's quite an interesting one to follow in.

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我的猜测也只能是猜测,你大概率会在三十年内还清。

My guess can only be a guess you will pay in the thirty years.

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那接下来的问题就是,提前还清这笔贷款值不值得?

So then the next question is, is it worth paying this loan off?

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目前,年收入七万英镑的人,贷款利率是6.2%。

The loan interest rate for someone earning 70,000 is 6.2 currently.

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这个利率比大多数房贷高,但比大多数个人贷款和0%利率的信用卡都低。

That is higher than most mortgages, lower than most personal loans, lower than most credit cards that are at 0%.

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所以从各种贷款类型来看,它就处在这样一个位置。

So that's where it fits into the panoply of loans.

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它的条件可以说是所有借贷产品里最好的,因为和其他贷款不同,如果你停止工作,收入低于门槛,你就不用还,不会有催收上门,也不会有人追着你要钱。

It has the best terms possible of any form of lending out there, because unlike any other lending, if you stopped working and your earnings dropped below the threshold, you would not have to repay it, you would not have debt collectors chasing you, there'd be nobody coming after you.

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这一点非常值得认真考虑。

And that is important to contemplate.

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所以,你其实可以为这个利率支付一点额外的代价。

So there is a little bit of a premium that you would put on the interest rate.

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我这里说的不是政治立场,而是从个人理财角度来判断是否提前还清这笔贷款。

Again, I'm not talking politically in the personal finance decision, in terms of whether you would pay it off.

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我首先想问你的是,你以后还会不会借其他更贵的钱?

So the first thing I would say to you is you have to question, would you be getting any other more expensive borrowing?

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你未来会不会需要买车贷款、信用卡透支之类的?如果是,那不如现在就把手头的钱存进收益最高的储蓄账户里。

Would you be looking for a car loan or credit card debt or something in the future, in which case you would be far better to take the money you have now, put it in a high interest savings as you possibly can get.

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目前最高的储蓄利率是4.5%。

So current top savings is 4.5.

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如果我们用你学生贷款的6.2%减去这个4.5%的储蓄收益,实际上你没还贷款的净成本只有1.7%。

So if we take that 4.5% from the 6.2% that you're paying on your student loan, the net cost of not paying it off is 1.7% interest.

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但如果这笔钱能帮你避免将来借更高利率的债,比如买车之类的,那现在不还反而更划算。

But if that meant it would prevent you getting a much higher interest rate debt in future, say on a car or something else, it could well be worthwhile.

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第二点要注意的是,如果你主动多还了,一旦还了就再也拿不回来了。

The second thing to remember is if you make voluntary overpayments, once it's done, it's done.

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但如果是被动多还了,比如有五百万人因为系统问题多付了学生贷款,这种情况是能退的。

If you make an involuntary overpayment and some people up to 5,000,000 people have overpaid unnecessarily their student loans because things are wrong with it.

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举个例子,我之前提过,如果你某个月收入超标了,但全年总收入还没到还款线,那多付的部分是可以申请退回的。

You know, for example, I talked about it earlier, if you earned too much in a month, but weren't earning enough over the year in order to pay it back, you can get that back as a- cause it was an involuntary overpayment.

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但如果是你自己主动多还的,钱就退不回来了。

But voluntary overpayment, you can't get the money back.

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所以我想说的是,从数学上看,现在多还似乎更合算,但前提是将来你不会出现更贵的债务,而且未来政策也不会有重大变动。

So what I'm trying to say, yes, mathematically, it probably makes sense to overpay at the moment, but not if you would have other more expensive debts in the future and not if there's a chance that there would be a substantial change in the future.

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所以你真正的问题是,为了这1.7%的收益,我管这叫利差,就是最高储蓄利率和你学生贷款利率之间的差额。

So your real question is for the 1.7% gain, and that's what I call it, it's the difference between the top savings and the current interest of the student loan.

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为了这点收益,把钱锁死,以后再也拿不回来,值得吗?

Is it worth locking that money away so that you can never get it back?

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这个决定只能你自己来做。

Only you can decide that.

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我不是想表达什么立场。

I'm not trying to make a point.

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我不是在说不可以。

I'm not trying to say no.

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我只是想说,这最终是你自己的选择。

I'm saying that's the decision that you're making.

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如果你希望保留这笔钱的灵活性,比如将来遇到更高利率的借贷时能用上,或者万一需要增加房贷首付来降低月供、争取更低的房贷利率,那我觉得,为了保持这笔钱的流动性,哪怕放弃这1.7%的收益,也比把它锁在学生贷款里更划算。

And if you want the flexibility of keeping that money, so that you can reduce future borrowing that might be more expensive elsewhere, or you could keep that money in case you needed a bigger mortgage deposit to reduce the amount that you would pay on your mortgage and bring your mortgage rate down, then I think the 1.7% may be worth paying to keep that money liquid for yourself rather than locking it into a student loan.

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希望我没说得太绕,但最终的决定权在你手里,安妮,只有你能做这个决定。

I hope that wasn't too convoluted, but that's the decision you need to make and only you can make that Annie.

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祝你一切顺利。

Wish you the best.

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接下来我们进入本周的主题,虽然我刚才聊学生贷款已经说了挺久的。

Now moving on to our big topic of the week, although I've come very long on student loans.

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所以这周可能要分两个重点来讲,大家想想看哪个更相关。

So it might be a split major this week, think between the two of them.

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今天没有大师班,因为阿德里安没来。

We don't have a mastermind because Adrian's not here.

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所以我刚才用掉了原本留给大师班的时间来讨论学生财务问题。

So I will have used my mastermind time on student finance.

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这样安排还挺合适的。

It seems somewhat fitting.

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西蒙,我知道你们问了大量关于银行和账户的问题。

Simon, I know we've had just scores of questions on banks and bank accounts.

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那就让问题来带路吧。

I'm going to let the questions lead.

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我会尽量让回答简短有力。

I'm going to try and keep my answers short and sharp.

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咱们直接进入正题吧。

Let's get straight to it.

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要不咱们先说说这个成功的案例,让大家看看这有多有效?

Well, why don't we start with the success just to show how powerful this can be?

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杰森联系了我们。

Jason got in touch.

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他今年早些时候就是按照你的建议操作的。

He did it earlier this year based around your advice.

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过程特别简单,他转到了国民威斯敏斯特银行,开户就给了175英镑,外加2100英镑的忠诚回馈。

Super easy, moved to Nationwide, who gave us £175 for move in, plus £2,100 Nationwide fair share amounts.

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这是他们给老客户的忠诚奖励。

That's its loyalty reward for existing customers.

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对。

Yep.

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所以,总共375英镑的入账奖励,实际上让我们免费获得了全球旅行保险,还有更多其他福利,都是通过他们的综合账户提供的。

So a total for move in of £375 effectively gave us free worldwide travel insurance plus much more via their packaged accounts.

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我们稍后会详细讲综合账户的事,不过没错,这就是一个例子。

Oh, we'll be talking more about packaged accounts later, but, yeah, that's an example.

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有些人通过多次换银行,已经赚了几千英镑。

And and some people have gained thousands of pounds from this from multiple switching.

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那么,咱们现在说到哪儿了?

Anyway, where are going?

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那咱们直接切入正题吧。

Well, let's get into the question.

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不如先从最基础的说起。

Might as well start with the basics.

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卡尔,对吧。

Carl, right.

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我今年56岁,从来没换过银行账户,算是个老派人物了。

I'm a 56 year old, never switched bank accounts, so I'm an oldie.

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在这档播客里,我们不把五十多岁的人叫‘老人’。

People in their fifties, we don't refer to as oldies on this podcast.

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这可是明令禁止的。

Well, it's absolutely banned.

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如果你这么说了,西蒙,就算隔着屏幕,也会有人在桌下踢你一脚。

And if you do that, Simon, then there'll be a virtual kick under the desk even though the Hey.

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刚才那话是冲着卡尔说的。

That was on Carl.

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刚才那话是冲着卡尔说的。

That was on Carl.

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对。

Yeah.

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他想知道,你发工资后,账上要扣掉各种账单,再加上你有信用卡,所有银行账户都在他们那儿,这些该怎么处理?

He wants to know what happened with your wages going into the bank with all the bills that you have to pay out, and I have a credit card and all my bank accounts with them, what happens to these?

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好的,明白。

Okey dokey.

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换银行账户的时候,你会用到现在的账户切换服务。

When you switch bank account, you will use the current account switch service.

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这叫七天切换服务。

It's called seven day switching.

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名字有点不太准,其实是七个银行工作日。

Slight mis nomer, it's seven working days.

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我一般把它当成十天的流程来看。

I tend to think of it as ten day switching.

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你转出的那家银行账户会自动关闭。

The bank account you're switching from will be automatically closed.

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钱会自动转到新账户里。

The money will be moved across automatically.

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你的自动扣款设置也会自动迁移过去。

Your direct debits will be moved across automatically.

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你的定期转账指令也会自动转到新账户。

Your standing orders will be moved across automatically.

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任何打到旧账户的钱都会自动转到新账户。

Any money paid to that old bank account will be automatically forwarded to the new one.

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不过我还是建议你慢慢来,慢慢告诉别人把钱付到你的新账户,把新账户信息发给他们,别指望自动转发能一直管用。一年到两年内,你完全有时间通知所有人,但也不用着急。

Otherwise, I would still suggest gradually over time, you tell people to pay your new bank account, you give it the new bank account details, you don't rely on that going on, you know, in perpetuity, within a year or two, you should easily have been able to tell everybody, but you don't need to hurry about doing that.

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唯一不会自动转移的是所谓的定期付款,也就是那些你用借记卡卡号订阅的服务,信用卡也可以用,比如Netflix、Amazon Prime这类平台。

The only thing that is not switched for you is what's technically called recurring payments, which are subscriptions where you gave the long number on your debit card, you can also do them on a credit card, typically used on, you know, Netflix's and Amazon Prime's.

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如果你忘了更新,他们就会发消息说你的支付卡失效了,请提供一张新卡,到时候你只需把信息换成新卡就行。

But all that will happen in that case is you would get if you forgot to tell them is you get a message saying your payment card is no longer working, please give us a new payment card, and then you could just switch it to your new card.

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这其实根本不是什么大问题。

So that isn't really a big problem.

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至于信用卡,我只想得到一两张是和银行账户绑定的。

As in terms to your credit card, well, I can think of only one or two credit cards which are linked to the bank account.

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绝大多数信用卡都是独立产品,你可以在一家银行办信用卡,却在另一家银行开账户。

Virtually every credit card is a separate product, you can have a credit card at one bank and your bank account at another bank.

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所以这完全不会影响到你的信用卡。

So it should not affect that in any way.

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正如你所说,你所有的银行账户都开在这家银行,现在你只是换其中一个,而且通常是换主账户。

As you said, you had all your bank accounts with them, where you would only be switching one bank account, and you're generally switching your main bank account.

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所以一切应该都会很顺利。

So it should all work.

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听我说,我经常被问到这个问题。

Listen, I do questions on this.

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我上次提到的数据,可能有点小误差,大约86%换过账户的人都说过程很简单,一点不麻烦。

I think the last stat I gave, maybe a few percent out, was 86% of people who switched bank accounts said it was easy and hassle free.

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剩下的人里,大多数觉得还行,真正遇到问题的极少。

And most of the rest said it was okay, and very few have problems.

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我不是说绝对没人会出问题,但总的来说,这事儿真的特别省心。

I mean, I'm not saying there won't be a problem for someone, but this really is, you know, lemon squeezy.

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是的。

Yeah.

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咱们别纠结那个百分比了。

And let's not worry about percent.

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百分之七十四的统计数据都是临时编的,对吧?

74% of statistics are made up on the spot, aren't they?

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你说得一点没错。

That's absolutely correct.

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我印象里肯定是八十几 percent。

Mine is it's definitely in the eighties.

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我脑子里还闪过另一个数字,因为我换过好几次,到底是八十三还是八十六来着。

One more was going on in my head, because I've done it a few times, whether eighty three percent or eighty six percent.

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不管怎样,超过五分之四的人都没问题。

Either way, it's more than four in five people.

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西蒙妮想知道,如果我只有基础账户,能换吗?

Simone wants to know, can I switch if I only have a basic bank account?

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这要看你现在的银行,但一般来说是可以的。

Depends on the bank you're with, but generally yes.

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如果你的银行加入了现行账户转换服务——而大多数大银行都加入了,实际上几乎全部大银行都参与了——那你的基础账户也能换。

If your bank is a member of the current account switching service, which most of the big names are, in fact, almost all of the big names are, then yes, you should be able to switch a basic bank account.

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克里斯问:新账户还没到的时候,是继续用旧的,还是两个一起留着?

Chris asks, use your old one until the new one arrives or keep both?

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换了银行账户,不一定非得马上做决定吧?

No need to decide just because you switch bank accounts?

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是这么个问题。

Question mark.

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说到换账户发工资,除了那种收费的套餐账户——因为你付了年费,有些情况下银行可能不要求你关闭旧账户——但一般来说,换账户就意味着旧账户得关掉。

Well, when we're talking about switching to get paid, with the exception of packaged bank accounts cause you're paying a fee for them, so they may not mandate it in some cases, you have to be switching an account, so your old account has to be closed.

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唯一不会自动关闭旧账户的情况,是你有透支没还清,这时候银行可能会让你继续保留着。

The only circumstances they won't close your old account is if you've got an overdraft that you're not repaying when you close it, and they may keep it open.

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但通常来说,换账户的过程中,旧账户是会由银行帮你关闭的。

But generally, part of the process is your old account is closed for you.

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贝基有个问题。

And Becky has a question.

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我昨天整理问题的时候,发现好多都是围绕这一点的。

When I was going through the questions yesterday, so many were based around this.

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她说,这会影响信用评分吗?

She says, doesn't it affect your credit score?

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我从来不开新账户,总有人夸我明智。

I always get a pat on the head for not opening any

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这么说吧,这可不会让你整天蹲在牛群里发呆。

Well, new that's just stop you sitting in cow fields.

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难道不算吗?

Does it not count

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如果你

if you

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频繁地开销户,而不是一直保留很多账户,会有什么影响?

are opening and closing accounts rather than just having loads of accounts open?

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直说吧,换银行账户可能会对你的信用评级造成短期的轻微影响。

Let's be plain, switching bank account can have a short term minor effect on your credit worthiness.

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如果你去查信用机构的信用评分,就能看到这一点。

You would see it if you go to a credit reference agency's credit score.

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记住啊,这些数字可不是铁律,只是征信机构对贷款机构怎么看你的一个大致参考。

Remember, those are not, you know, they're not gospel, they're just that credit reference agency's loose indication of how typical lender looks at you.

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短期内确实会有影响,因为大多数贷款机构都喜欢看到稳定的记录,这种不确定性可能会让人犹豫,但真没那么严重。

It will have a short term impact because most lenders like evidence of longevity and that uncertainty can be an issue, but it's not a big deal.

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影响不会持续太久。

It does not last long.

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如果我马上要申请房贷,我肯定不会在前三到六个月换主账户。

I would not be switching my main bank account in the three to six months before I had a mortgage application coming.

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如果我要做大额余额转账,比如大笔债务转移,或者申请重要贷款,我大概也不会在前三个月换主账户。

I probably wouldn't be switching my main bank account in the three months before I was making a balance transfer for a large amount of money, in other words, a big debt shift or making an important loan application.

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其他时候,我根本不会在意。

Otherwise, I wouldn't be bothered.

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该换就换,钱到账就行,六个月后,只要你没出大问题,比如拖欠其他债务,基本就没什么影响了。

I would just go and do it and get the money paid in, Because after six months, unless you've got major problems and you're, you know, defaulting on other debts or missing other debt repayments, it shouldn't really be an issue.

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所以它确实会影响你的信用状况,但通常只是一时的。

So it does affect your creditworthiness, but generally only for the short term.

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所以只要你不是在申请重要事项前才动手,一般都没问题。

So as long as you're not timing it before a very important application, it shouldn't be a problem.

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太好了。

Perfect.

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那我们现在来具体看看有哪些优惠方案吧。

So let's get into the specific deals now.

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萨姆想知道,目前哪些银行的换户优惠最划算。

Sam wants to know who has the best deals currently for switching.

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我快速过一遍,因为现在优惠实在太多了。

I'm going to run through this really quickly because there are so many offers.

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我不会把每个细节都抠得特别细。

I'm not going to dot my I's and cross my T's.

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我不会一一说明申请条件。

I'm not going to go through eligibility criteria.

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我只提一下这个费用。

I will only mention this as a fee.

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网上有不少不错的网站,列出了所有这些优惠,你可以去看看具体细节。

There are some great websites out there that list all of these that you should go and look on for the details.

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不过目前市面上常见的免年费账户里,能让你开户就拿现金奖励的,可能得放点背景音乐,西蒙。

But of the standard fee free accounts available out there that you can switch to that will pay you to switch right now, maybe put a music bed underneath all this, Simon.

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汇丰银行的账户现在能给你220英镑。

You've got £220 from HSBC bank account.

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这种高奖励挺少见的,所以特别值得关注,毕竟我们希望那些之前换过银行的人还能继续拿到这些奖励。

That's relatively rare, so it's quite interesting that it's doing that because we want lots of these different accounts available for the people who've switched before to be able to get the bonuses.

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它的姊妹银行第一直接银行的首户计划,现在能给200英镑,但截止日期是7月15号。

You've got its sister bank, First Direct's first account that is giving you a free £200 that ends on the July 15.

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之后就降到175英镑了。

It drops down to just a £175 then.

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所以如果你打算办这个,最好赶紧下手。

So if you're gonna do this one, you wanna do it relatively quickly.

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它还提供最高250英镑的零利率透支额度。

It also gives you a 0% overdraft up to £250.

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它还提供一张非常适合海外消费的借记卡,以及年利率7%的定期储蓄账户。

It has a top debit card for spending overseas and has a 7% regular savings account.

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不过,大多数人选择First Direct,主要是因为它的客户服务评分最高。

The thing most people go to First Direct for, though, is it is the top rated bank for customer service.

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在我最近的调查中,有92%的人给了它‘非常好’的评价,而且现在开户还送你200英镑。

In my last poll, 92% rated great, and it's giving you £200 to switch to it.

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目前巴克莱银行也在提供200英镑的开户奖励,还可以选择半价购买Apple TV。

You've got Barclays at the moment that's giving people a free £200, an optional half price Apple TV.

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NatWest的奖励账户也送200英镑,另外每年还有可能获得36英镑的现金返还。

You've got NatWest reward that's giving a free £200 plus possible £36 a year cashback.

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不过要满足这个条件,你得保证一定金额的入账,还要使用它的手机App,但操作并不复杂。

And for that, you have to have a certain amount of money going in and you have to use its mobile app, but it's not that complicated.

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还有桑坦德银行的Edge账户。

You have Santander Edge.

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这是我列出的唯一一个会收取年费的账户。

This is the only one of those I'm listing that charges you a fee.

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每月3英镑。

It's £3 a month.

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开户送你180英镑。

It's giving you a £180 to come to it.

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这个优惠力度很大。

It's big boost.

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这是我最推荐用来交账单的,只要通过自动扣款支付账单,每月最高可返1%现金,上限10英镑。

It's my top pick for bills because if you pay your bills from it by direct debit, you get cash back of 1% up to £10 a month from that.

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对于一般账单支出的人来说,这笔返现通常都超过每月3英镑的手续费。

And the cash back you earn from that normally outweighs the £3 a month fee that you have to pay for someone with typical bills.

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它还提供6%的活期储蓄账户,但仅限前4000英镑。

It also gives you a 6% easy access savings account, but only on up to £4,000.

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还有合作银行的账户,一次性奖励325英镑,外加连续三个月每月25英镑。

You've then got the co op bank account, which is a £325 plus £25 a month for three months.

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只要你满足条件,总共就能拿到200英镑。

So if you do that right, that's £200 as long as you fulfill its criteria.

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Nationwide Flex Direct 现在提供 175 英镑的开户奖励。

Nationwide Flex Direct is a £175 free.

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苏格兰银行也提供 175 英镑的开户奖励。

Bank of Scotland is £175 free.

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如果你收入较高,HSBC 尊尚理财账户能给你 500 英镑的无条件奖励。

And if you're a higher earner, HSBC Premier that gives £500 for free.

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这是我见过最高的换户奖励,但前提是你的年收入要超过十万英镑。

That's the biggest switching bonus I've ever seen, but you've to be earning over £100,000 a year to get it.

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它还提供免费的家庭旅行保险和数字医疗服务。

It also gives you access to free family travel insurance and digital, I.

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E。

E.

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24 小时在线虚拟医生服务。

Virtual online GP access 247.

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如果你年收入超过十万英镑,这个账户不仅没有月费,还很值得考虑。

So if you earn over a $100, quite interesting as there's no fee on that bank account.

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NatWest Premier Reward 为高收入人群提供250英镑的奖励,外加每月8英镑的现金返还。

NatWest Premier Reward is giving higher earners a free £250 and a decent £8 a month cash back.

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要享受这个福利,你的年收入必须达到至少10万英镑。

To get that, you must also have a minimum £100,000 a year salary.

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你看,现在有这么多银行愿意付钱让人换账户。

So you can see there are so many banks right now willing to pay people to switch.

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你最好仔细看看每家银行的资格要求。

It's worth doing your reading about the eligibility criteria.

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有些银行要求你每月入账达到最低额度。

Some require minimum pay ins.

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大多数银行还要求你把至少两笔自动扣款转到新账户。

Most require you to have a couple of direct debits being switched across.

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所有非高端账户都要求你使用他们的账户切换服务。

All of them require you to use their switching services, all of the non Premier accounts that is.

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你得把旧账户关掉,但市面上的选择确实不少。

So you have to close your old bank account down, but there's a lot of choice out there.

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说到选择,约翰,既然First Direct要关闭First Directory,你考虑转到Nationwide,那Nationwide是最佳选择吗?

Well, speaking of choice, John, considering switching from First Direct to Nationwide due to First Direct closing First Directory, is Nationwide the best choice?

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你提到First Direct要关闭First Directory,其实那就是他们的付费银行账户服务。

As you're talking about First Direct closing its First Directory, that's effectively its packaged bank account.

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我稍后会详细讲这个。

I'm gonna talk about those later.

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我先把这个放一放,等我们讲到付费银行账户部分的时候再回来讨论,你觉得怎么样?

I'm gonna hold that in abeyance for now, and we'll come to that when we do the packaged bank account section later, if that's alright.

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Paula问了,我在Santander有两个账户,都是每月收费的活期账户。

Paula wants to know, I have two accounts with Santander, both current accounts with monthly charges.

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其中一个是我和我丈夫的联名账户。

One is a joint account with my husband.

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我能一次性把两个账户都转过去吗?

Can I do a switch of both accounts as a one time process?

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联名账户的转账流程会更复杂吗?

Is this more complex to switch a joint account?

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谢谢。

Thank you.

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这两个是独立的账户,不能一起办理转账。

They are separate bank accounts, you cannot do it as a joint process.

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必须分别单独处理每个账户。

They would have to be done as a separate process each.

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我来给你简单说明一下。

Let me just run you through.

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有些银行会给联合账户的转账奖励,有些则不会。

Some banks will give you the switching bonus on joint bank accounts, some won't.

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比如汇丰就不给,第一直接银行会给,巴克莱不给,苏格兰皇家银行给,桑坦德银行也给。

So HSBC won't, First Direct will, Barclays won't, NatWest will, Santander will.

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大概就是这样,其他你可以自己去查一查。

Just to give you a flavor, you can check the rest out for yourself.

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好了,西,咱们进展得很顺利。

Right, Si, we're doing very well.

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我们正在一一处理。

We're getting through them.

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你真是个超棒的帮手。

You know, super sub you are.

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我们比跟阿德里安弄的时候快多了。

We're doing quicker than with Adrian.

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我有太多问题了。

I've got so many questions.

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继续往我这儿抛问题吧,老兄。

Keep ramping them up me, mate.

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我正努力创下一小时问最多问题的个人纪录。

Trying to set my personal best for most questions asked in an hour.

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维弗想知道,换完银行后,能轻松给新账户绑一张信用卡吗?

Viv wants to know, can you get a credit card attached to your new bank account post switch easily?

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信用卡和银行账户基本上完全是两回事。

Credit cards and bank accounts are almost always completely separate.

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一般来说,给你最好银行账户的那家机构,往往不会同时提供最好的信用卡。

And generally, you won't find the place offering you the best bank account will be the same place as offering you the best credit card.

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首先,在绝大多数情况下,你的旧信用卡并不会被关闭。

So first of all, your old credit card won't have been closed down in almost all cases.

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当然,如果你想申请新的信用卡,完全可以去申请。

And yes, you can go and apply for a new credit card if you want to apply for a new credit card.

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但我不会建议你继续用同一家银行。

But I wouldn't stick with the same bank.

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我会帮你找一张最符合你需求的信用卡,不管是用来干嘛的。

I'll go and make sure you get the best credit card for you for whatever it is you want to use it for.

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你看我这回答多简短,西蒙。

Look at me doing short answers, Simon.

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继续吧。

Keep going.

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MBG,我猜是‘马丁的最大老顽童’的意思。

An MBG, which I assume stands for Martin's BiggestGeezer.

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不错。

Nice.

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我有一个帮助购房储蓄账户,还有

I have a Help to Buy ISA as Should

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我全都这么回答吗?

I answer it all like this?

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继续说,别停。

Go on, keep going.

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好的。

All right.

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我除了当前账户,还有一笔帮助购房储蓄账户和一个定期储蓄账户。

I have a Help to Buy ISA as well as a regular saver account with my current account.

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我担心如果换银行,会失去我的定期储蓄和帮助购房储蓄账户。

My worry is I could lose my regular saver and Help to Buy ISA if I switch.

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我能不能保留这两个储蓄账户?

Can I keep those savings accounts?

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还是说我得确认一下,新银行是否提供帮助购房储蓄账户?

Or do I need to know if the switch to bank offer a Help to Buy ISA?

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这个产品已经停售了,所以有点麻烦。

They are a dead product, so it's tricky.

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好的,我来给你说清楚。

All right, let me give you the information.

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我觉得……我没法帮你办这个。

I don't think- I can't do that.

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你不是本地人吧?

You're not from around here, are you?

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不,我觉得帮助购房储蓄账户本身不是问题。

No, I don't think it's an issue with the Help to Buy ISA.

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帮助购房储蓄账户是独立的产品,通常不和银行账户绑定。

Help to Buy ISAs are standalone products not normally linked to bank accounts.

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我没听说过哪家提供帮助购房储蓄账户的机构要求你必须有银行账户。

I'm not aware of any Help to Buy ISA providers that require you to have a bank account to do it.

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我的意思是,最坏的情况,你也得去确认一下。

I mean, the worst case, you should always check.

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但就算最糟,你也就是把钱转到新的机构去。

But in the worst case, all you would do is you would just transfer it to a new payer.

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网上有指南,能帮你找到利息最高的Help to Buy ISA。

There's guides online to the best paying Help to Buy ISA.

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即使Help to Buy ISA已经停售了,你还是可以转账。

You can transfer a Help to Buy ISA even though it's a dead product.

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你只需要申请开一个新的Help to Buy ISA,在表格里填好转出信息,系统就会自动帮你把余额转过去。

So that's you apply to open a new Help to Buy ISA and on the application form, you fill in the transfer details and it will move the Help to Buy ISA across for you.

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所以这个完全不是问题。

So that isn't an issue.

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倒是那种定期储蓄账户,可能更麻烦一些。

The regular saver is probably more of an issue.

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大多数利息高的定期储蓄账户,通常是让你连续存一年,每月存两三百英镑,利率最高能到8%,目前桑坦德银行的定期储蓄产品就是最好的,但这类账户一般都得绑定银行账户。

Most of the best paying regular savers accounts, that's where you can normally for say a year put in 200 or £300 a month and get a high rate of interest, up to 8% is the best paying with Santander Reg at the moment, they are normally linked to bank accounts.

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我觉得你会失去原来的定期储蓄账户,但换到新银行后,大概还是能开一个新的定期储蓄账户。

So you would lose your regular saver would be my guess, but you would probably be able to open a new regular saver at the new bank that you move to.

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说实话,定期储蓄账户的利息其实没多少,毕竟它们给的利率虽然看着高,8%、7%的,但本金太少了,还得每月慢慢存进去。

And frankly, the interest earned on regular savers, because the whole point of them, we give you 8% interest, we give you 7% interest, but only on a tiny amount, and you have to drip feed it in.

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一年下来,就算你把上限存满,利息也就五六十美元、七十多美元,或者九十英镑左右。可你只要换一次银行,光是账户奖励就能赚得比这多得多。

So the interest you actually get on a regular saver over a year, you know, it's normally $50.60, $70.80, £90, even if you max it out, even at the high interest rate, you're going to be earning more just with the one switch of a bank account than you would in the regular saver.

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所以,就算新银行的定期储蓄利率低一点,整体算下来,你还是大赚特赚。

So even if the new place that has a regular saver has a lower interest rate, overall, you're probably still going to be massively up.

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你们这会儿可把各种口音都听全了,是吧?

We're getting the full range of your accents, aren't we?

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伦敦东区口音。

East End

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没错。

That's right.

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为了全面覆盖。

To cover.

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我们会在节目结束前处理阿德里安的那个案例,只是时间问题。

It's a matter of time before we do the Adrian one before the end of the program.

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但在那之前,我想先聊聊多次换银行的事。

But before we get into that, I wanna do multiple switching.

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好的。

Okay.

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那我们先来分享一个成功的案例。

So we're gonna start with a success.

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乔?

Joe?

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成功案例我最爱听了。

Love a success.

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我和我太太一共换了两个账户,每个账户都设了几笔自动扣款和定期转账,纯粹是为了拿换户奖励。

My wife and I had two switch accounts, which both had a few direct debits and standing orders that we purely use for switching.

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我们好像已经用完了所有符合条件的银行,但加起来我们俩一共拿到了两千多英镑的奖励。

We seem to have ran out of banks we qualify for, but in total have claimed over £2,000 between us.

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我真不明白,为什么有人不愿意这么做。

It baffles me why people wouldn't do it.

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如果你对现在的银行有感情,那就再开一个账户,专门用来切换。

If you feel loyal to your bank, just set up another account and use that one to switch.

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我有个劳埃德银行的账户,是1993年开的。

I've got my Lloyd's account, which I set up in 1993.

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这正好说明了问题所在。

Well, I think that proves the point.

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那些频繁换银行赚大钱的人,多半是夫妻俩一起操作。

So most of the serial switchers who make big money out of it, they tend to be couples and they do it together.

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他们各自开一个账户,一起搞。

So, you know, they they both have separate accounts.

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刚才我们提到,汇丰银行现在给220英镑。

Currently, we just talked about HSBC paying £220.

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如果你现在把两个账户都转过去,就能赚440英镑。

So if you switch two accounts into that right now, that's £440 that you're earning.

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然后你就一遍又一遍地做。

And then you do it again and again.

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所以你能明白,为什么我说有人靠这个赚几千英镑了。

And you can see why I say people make 1000s of pounds from this.

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而且乔并不是个例。

And Joe isn't alone.

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对我来说,这简直就是邮件不断的事。

This is a constant mailbox thing for me.

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我们金钱节约团队的很多人也一直在做这件事。

It's also something that many of the team in Money Saving Towers, they're doing it all the time.

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他们就是想抓住机会,把奖金都拿下来。

And they're just trying to grab and get the bonuses up.

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这里面是有技巧的。

There are techniques for doing that.

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但我希望别这样,因为我猜你的一些问题可能会让我透露这些细节。

But I hope those because I suspect some of your questions might elicit those bits from me.

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凯特很可能就是其中之一。

Well, Kate may well be one of them.

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她问哪些银行最适合开额外的临时账户,

She asks which banks are best to open up extra dummy accounts with, I.

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就是那些切换奖励不怎么好的银行?

Banks that don't have good switching bonuses?

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没错。

Okay.

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这就是我们说的临时账户、中转账户或者空壳账户。

So yeah, this is what we call the burner account or the mule account or the dummy account.

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很多经常换银行的人这么做的原因是,每次都彻底搬动整个生活安排实在太麻烦了。

The idea is what many of the people who do regular switching do is because it's a hassle to actually move the whole way you organize your life again and again and again.

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他们保留一个主账户,再另开一个账户专门用来完成换银行的条件以获取奖励。

They have one bank account and then they have another bank account that they're just using for switching and fulfilling the switching criteria.

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通常这个账户里会设置几笔自动扣款。

So they normally have a couple of direct debits going out of it.

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所以,正如凯特正确指出的,如果你打算频繁切换来操作这个临时账户,一开始就应该选一个平时不提供切换奖励的银行。

So as Kate is rightly asking, the account you want to start with if you're going to be multiple switching for your burner account should be one that doesn't normally offer a switching bonus.

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因为你一旦用过这个账户,以后就再也拿不到切换奖励了。

Because the fact that you've had that account would prevent you getting a switching bonus in future.

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所以别浪费掉你本可以拿的切换奖励。

So you don't want to use up one of your switching bonuses.

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我建议从星银行或蒙佐这类容易开户的数字银行开始,它们都支持现行的账户切换服务。

I would suggest something like Starling or Monzo, one of the easy to open digital banks that are part of the current account switching service would be a good place to start this.

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你开好之后,操作时要确保账户里有几笔定期扣款,而且余额足够支付这些费用。

So you open up one of those, you make sure when you're looking at the way that you do this, you'll make sure you have a couple of direct debits going out of it and enough money to make sure you can pay those.

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每个月你只需要设置几笔小额自动扣款就行。

Now small direct debits you would have each month.

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大多数银行只要每月有两笔至少两英镑的自动扣款,就能满足切换服务的要求。

In most places, two direct debits of at least £2 going out of it each month will qualify you in the switching service.

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有时候需要三笔,所以你得提前确认清楚。

Occasionally, you need three, so you need to check that.

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等你把那个账户设置好了,就可以用它来转到一家提供开户奖励的银行。

So then once you've got that set up, you then use that to switch to a new bank that's paying you a switching bonus.

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要注意它们的资格要求,银行通常会说你得存入总共一千英镑。

Checking its eligibility terms, I mean, banks will say they need require you to have £1,000 total paid in.

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所以你开好新账户后,只要满足条件,就把钱从你的临时账户转过去,再设置好两笔自动扣款。

So you add £1,000 once you open the bank account that fulfills the criteria, you've switched bank account from your burner account, you got a couple of direct debits going from it.

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等一千英镑到账后,第二天你就可以把钱全提出来,完全不用留着。

Once £1,000 has been put in, you can then take it out the next day if you choose to.

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没必要把钱一直放在那儿。

You don't have to keep it in there.

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等你拿到开户奖励后,再把钱全部转走就行。

You wait until you get your switching bonus and then you move it all again.

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这就是整个操作流程。

That's how you do it.

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你就是在玩这种临时账户刷奖励的游戏。

You play the burner bonus game.

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海伦想知道,开一个临时账户后,多久才适合转到另一个账户去拿转账奖励?

Helen wants to know, how long do you feel it is plight to have a mule account open before switching to another current account to get the switching bonuses.

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说到银行,我觉得只要满足所有条件、钱一到账,几乎立刻就能转,大概零点一到零点四秒就够了。

Plight to a bank, I would say somewhere between zero point one and zero point four seconds after you have fulfilled all the criteria you need and got your money.

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如果你就是想这么做,那你就照做吧。

If this is what you're trying to do, it's what you're trying to do.

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多留一两周,其实没什么区别。

Leaving it open a week or two doesn't really make much difference.

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唯一要注意的是,频繁换银行账户,肯定会对你的信用评分造成更大影响。

The only thing about speed, obviously going back to our credit scoring impact, multiple switching of bank accounts will have a bigger impact on your credit worthiness.

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所以,如果你接下来一两年内打算申请贷款或信用卡,就别这时候干这事儿。

So you need to be doing this in a time where you're not going to be need to making any debt applications in the next year or two, I would say.

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你得挑个没贷款需求的时候再操作。

That's when you should be doing this.

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莉亚肯定是经常换银行的人。

Leah must be a serial switcher.

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她想知道,我想换银行,但记不清之前换过哪家了。

She wants to know, I want to switch, but I can't remember who I've done it with before.

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我该怎么查呢?

How can I check?

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莱亚,得给你点提醒了。

Well, Leah, slight slap on the wrist.

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这事儿适合那些擅长用表格、习惯做记录的人。

This is for people who are good with spreadsheets and keep records.

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那些人才最容易搞明白。

Those are the people who do best at it.

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不过你没这么做,既然我提醒了你,那我也顺手给你个建议:去申请一份你的信用报告,可以从三大征信机构之一获取——益博睿、艾可飞或环联,网上有很多免费渠道都能申请到。

But as you haven't, and as I've slapped your wrist, I will also give you a sweetie at the same time, go and get your credit file, your credit report that's available from one of the three credit reference agencies, Equifax, Experian, or TransUnion, and you can get them all for free via lots of different routes out there.

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随便选一份拿过来,上面会列出你过去至少六年的所有银行账户,应该能帮你回忆起来。

And just go and get one of those, and that should list all the bank accounts you've had for at least six years, which might help you with it.

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维姬,我换过好几次,但很多时候申请奖励都被拒了,因为我以前用过他们集团旗下的另一家银行。

Vicky, I've switched a number of times, but more often than not, I get rejected for the payoff as I've had an account with another bank in their chain in the past.

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如果能知道哪些银行属于同一个集团,就能避免在集团内部换账户了。

It would be good to know what banks are part of the same group so you could avoid moving within that group.

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哦,Vicky,要是真有那么简单就好了。

Oh, Vicky, I wish it was so easy.

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哪有那么容易,每家银行对拿到奖励的条件都不一样。

It is not so easy, every bank has different terms of what counts in order to get the bonus.

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我给你举个例子吧,现在有两家关联银行,你可能会觉得它们的标准应该一样。

Let me give you an example at the moment and I'm going to take two sister banks, so you would think that they would have the same criteria.

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比如HSBC,目前的奖励政策是说,哪怕你以前换过HSBC或First Direct的账户,只要那次换账户是在2023年之前,而且你现在不是他们的客户了,就能再拿一次奖励。

For HSBC, with its current bonus, it says even if you have had switch cash from HSBC or First Direct before, as long as that switch cash was before 2023, and you are no longer a customer, you can get it switch cash now.

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但如果是First Direct,同一集团的另一家,想拿他们的奖励,你就得是完全的新客户,而且从2018年1月起,不能有过First Direct的任何产品,也不能开过HSBC的活期账户。

But if we take a First Direct same group, to get the switch cash from it, you must be a totally new customer and can't have had any First Direct product or opened an HSBC current account since January 2018.

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所以,知道哪些账户和HSBC、First Direct有关联,NatWest和RBS是一组的,Lloyds、Halifax,虽然Halifax这个品牌快没了,还有苏格兰银行,也都是一体的,这些信息确实有用。

So yes, knowing which accounts are linked to HSBC and First Direct, NatWest and RBS are linked, Lloyd's, Halifax, although the Halifax brand is disappearing and Bank of Scotland are linked.

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没错,了解这些很重要,但正因如此,我总强调得去查清楚具体的资格要求。

Yes, knowing them is important, but that's why I always talk about looking up eligibility criteria.

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比如巴克莱银行,你之前不能拿过他们的转账奖励,也不能在2026年9月6日或之前拥有过他们的活期账户。

I mean, Barclays, you can't have received a previous Barclays switch bonus and can't have held a Barclays current account on or before the 06/09/2026.

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所以每家银行的资格要求都不太一样,你得特别留心这些细节。

So they all have slightly different eligibility criteria, and you just need to be eagle eyed on that.

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我刚才说的汇丰银行这个活动挺特别的,因为这种奖励比较少见,他们其实是在主动吸引客户,把新客户的标准放宽了一些。

The HSBC one I mentioned is interesting because that is a rare bonus and they're in sort of inviting switches to them by giving the slightly looser criteria of what counts as being a new customer there.

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还有之前提到的合作银行,转账奖励是325英镑,外加连续三个月每月25英镑。

One addition to that, co op, which I mentioned earlier with £325 plus £25 a month for three months.

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也就是说,只要你满足条件,拿到每月25英镑的奖励,总共能拿200英镑。

So that's a total of £200 if you fulfill the criteria to get the £25 a month for three months.

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有意思的是,他们的做法有点不一样。

Interestingly, it's actually doing something slightly different.

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他们说,如果你已经是他们的房贷或储蓄客户,再转过来,还能额外拿100英镑。

It says it will give you £100 extra if you're an existing customer with a mortgage or savings with it switching into it.

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你看,这些条件五花八门,就跟我的口音一样多样。

So as you can see, the criteria are multiple and varied, just like my accents.

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那我们先把银行账户的事放一放,还有打包银行账户没聊呢。

So we're going to hold banking there for a second, we still have packaged bank accounts to do.

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如果你家里人买过旅行保险、手机套餐或者道路救援服务,这类账户特别划算。

Really important for anyone who pays for travel insurance for the family and has family mobile phones and breakdown cover.

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收益真的能很高。

That can be very, very lucrative.

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不过我觉得,是时候换点别的了。

But I think it's time for something different.

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对,该到本周的‘告诉我们’环节了。

Yes, it's time for this week's Tell Us.

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我之前问的问题是:你有没有在餐厅、咖啡馆或者外卖店上过班?

The question I put out there was have you worked in a restaurant, cafe or takeaway?

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如果你有相关经验,吃外食或者点外卖时有什么内部小窍门?

What are your insider tips for eating out or in if you do?

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怎么吃最划算?哪些东西别碰?怎么拿折扣?外卖平台怎么用?这些都可以说说。

Best value food and drink, what to avoid, how to get discounts, delivery apps and more.

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幸运的是,我们不用干等大家的回复。

And luckily, we haven't been waiting for the answers to come in.

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答案已经越来越多了。

It's grown.

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已经有大量的人参与了。

We have had a huge number of people.

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西蒙,你来念第一个吧。

Simon, why don't you read the first one?

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索尔说,我曾在高档餐厅工作了很多年。

Saul says, I worked in top end restaurants for many years.

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人们最大的误区就是点第二便宜的那瓶酒。

The biggest mistake people make is ordering the second cheapest bottle of wine.

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顺便说一句,我平时也经常这么做。

This is something, by the way, so I do this all the time.

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好的。

Okay.

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我可太有这毛病了。

I'm very much guilty of this.

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我压根没意识到这儿也这么干。

I hadn't realized that was getting done here.

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明白了。

Okay.

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其实这瓶酒的加价幅度最大。

That's actually the wine with the biggest markup.

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店酒是餐厅用来代表自己形象的主打酒款。

The house wine is the restaurant's flagship wine they use to represent themselves.

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它在菜单上最便宜,但品质通常非常好。

It's the cheapest on the menu, but usually of excellent quality.

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大家因为是店酒就避而远之,可实际上,这往往是同价位里最出色、最划算的选择。

People avoid it because it's the house wine, when actually it's usually the nicest and the best value for money at that price point.

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这挺有意思的,你常听说要选第二便宜的,但我们现在有盖诺在这儿,完全支持盐的说法。

It's really interesting because you've often heard the order the second cheapest, but actually we've got Gaynor here who's backing up salt totally.

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我意大利丈夫当了多年服务员,从不点酒单上的酒,他说,要是家常酒质量差,会毁了餐厅的名声。

My Italian husband who worked for years as a waiter, he never orders from the wine list because he says it's not worth the restaurant's reputation to have lousy house wine.

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所以直接点这个就行。

So just order that.

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这么说来,再加上这个小贴士,又多了一个经验。

So backing it up and there you go, another accent for you.

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继续说。

Keep going.

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接下来是必胜客的居家省钱妙招。

Next up, your home clean at Pizza Hut.

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别为甜玉米额外付费。

Don't pay for sweet corn as an extra topping.

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甜玉米和墨西哥辣椒都可以从沙拉吧自己取。

Get the sweet corn off the salad bar, same as the jalapenos.

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这个小建议不错。

Nice little tip there.

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特蕾西,最好的建议是选一家菜单简单的店。

Tracy, best advice, choose a place with a small menu.

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菜单太大的店,食物多半是冷冻或加工过的,质量一般都不怎么样。

Large menus mean frozen or processed and generally poor food.

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我嫁给了一个前厨师。

I'm married to an ex chef.

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艾莉,我在纽卡斯尔一家很棒的家族独立餐厅工作。

Ali, I work in an amazing independent family run restaurant in Newcastle.

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我的建议是,直接打电话问餐厅能不能做外带或本地配送。

My tip would definitely be to phone and ask a restaurant if they can do takeout for collection or delivery locally.

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这样点的菜价是餐厅原价,而不是第三方平台标的价格。

The food will be the restaurant price rather than the ones given using a third party.

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这个行业现在挺难的。

The industry is struggling.

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我知道现在出去吃饭不像以前那么划算,但我现在更愿意支持独立餐厅,而不是连锁店。

I know it's not affordable to eat out as it was, but I now look at the independent restaurant rather than the franchise.

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不过,我知道这更多是我个人的选择,而不是什么建议。

However, I get that's my choice rather than a tip.

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嗯,这挺有意思的。

Well, is interesting.

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我的意思是,如果你通过那些大型外卖平台下单,经常会发现价格比你直接去餐厅堂食还要贵。

I mean, if you order on one of the big delivery apps out there, you will often see that the price is more expensive than it is when you go into the restaurant itself if you're eating in the restaurant.

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而且很明显,平台还会额外加收配送费。

And obviously they've got the delivery costs on top.

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所以,最好先查一下,如果餐厅自己提供配送服务,或者你没法去自取,直接找他们可能更划算。

So it's always worth doing that check to see if you're going to do it straight if that if the restaurant itself has its own delivery route that it can bring to you if you can't go and pick

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我们家常去的那家外卖店,只要直接订,就会送免费蒜香面包。

it My go to takeaway give you a free garlic bread if you just go direct to them.

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所以我们才开始直接找他们订。

That's why we started doing it.

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后来他们才意识到,这是为了避开平台的抽成。

They only realised afterwards it's because they're trying to circumnavigate the charges.

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我听岔了,本来是说‘我常去的外卖店’,结果听成了‘我的山羊外卖’。

I got lost because I originally said instead of saying my go to takeaway, I heard my goat takeaway.

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因为脑子里一出现那个画面,我就没法专心听下去了。

I couldn't quite listen all the way through because of the image it gave me.

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约翰尼当了二十年厨师,现在自己当老板。

Johnny worked as a chef for twenty years, now an owner.

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星期一尽量别点鱼。

Try not to order fish on a Monday.

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最晚也得是周六送来的,早就不新鲜了。

It would have been delivered on Saturday at best.

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去米其林餐厅吃午餐吧。

Go to Michelin restaurants for lunch.

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那时候他们正练手主菜,很多菜品都有超值优惠。

It's when they practice their main meals and most have great deals.

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对。

Yeah.

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如果你想吃点高档的餐食,一般来说午餐是最合适的时间。

If you want posh nosh, lunch is the best time to do it generally.

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伏尔泰说过,在那些快餐汉堡店,如果看到食物在传送槽里放着,点汉堡时别选某种配料,这样能拿到新鲜做的。

Voltaire says, in fast food burger places that have stuff sitting in the chute, order your burger without something to get a fresh one.

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另外,点饮料时别加冰,因为冰块可能占了三分之一的分量。

Also order drinks with no ice as ice can be a third of the volume.

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这招在本地和国外都管用。

It works here and abroad.

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是的。

Yeah.

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这真有意思。

That's really interesting.

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要么就选不加某种配料,要么就要求额外加点什么,不然你吃的就是在灯下放了很久的东西,这样能确保是现做的。

Either order without something or get them to add something on because otherwise you are just having that stuff that's just sat under the lights for ages, and that way you're getting them to make it fresh.

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当然,如果你只是想快速吃点快餐,点特别的餐品反而没点普通的来得快。

Of course, though, if you're going in for fast, fast food, it won't be as fast towards something specific as it would towards something generic.

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所以这是个权衡。

So it's a trade off.

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我们还剩几个没说。

We've got a couple more left.

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咱们继续吧。

Let's do them.

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ACI有声音在说,根据我在餐饮行业的工作经验,他们会这么说。

ACI have a voice and they're saying something that from my time of working in hospitality, would say this.

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他们在炸鱼薯条店工作,对服务员说声‘请’和‘谢谢’,再加个微笑和一点同理心,比如‘你在后面干活肯定很热吧’。

They work in a fish and chip shop, a please and a thank you to your server, as well as a smile and some empathy, like, it must be hot working behind there.

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你做得真不错。

You're doing so well.

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这样你就能拿到更多薯条,还有最新鲜出锅的鱼。

It's going to get you a larger portion of chips and the freshest cooked fish.

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是的。

Yeah.

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很多人都说要待人友善,这其实是个普适的人生准则。

We had a lot of people saying be nice, and it's just a general rule for life, really.

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西,你以前在服务业有什么经历吗?

What was your hospitality experience, Si?

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我曾在一家酒吧工作过,说实话,你态度好一点,给点小费,以后点单肯定能快很多。

Well, I worked in a pub for a bit, and to be fair, be nice, give me a tip, you'll almost certainly get served faster going forward, I would say.

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一直都是这样。

That was always the case.

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我记得我工作的那家酒吧,每周都办扑克夜,那种游戏你根本离不开桌子,所以大家都会趁着固定的休息时间一起过来点单。

I I remember the the pub that I worked in, they would do like a weekly poker night, so then they would have poker's the sort of game where you can't really step away from the table, so they'd all then come at an organized break.

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是啊。

Yeah.

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我总是记得那些上周给我小费的人。

I always remember the people that had given me a tip the week before

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你一眼就能认出他们,对吧?

They were the ones you saw, weren't they?

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是的

Yeah.

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对

Yeah.

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没错

Yeah.

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我在吧台后面干得还不错。

I was not bad behind the bar.

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我15岁当服务员的时候,可是最差劲的。

I was the worst waiter ever when I was 15.

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我在一家意大利餐厅打工,根本不懂意大利菜,也不太了解那里的菜品。

I worked in an Italian restaurant, didn't really know Italian food, didn't really know the food that was out.

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上菜的时候,我还会跟客人握手。

I had a handshake when I delivered the food.

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结果盘子一直晃,我根本拿不稳。

So like everything would be shaking, I just couldn't hold the plate still and everything.

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我刚去那儿大概三天,那是我唯一能找到的工作——我从小在森林深处长大,附近根本没几个地方招人,能拿到这份工作我已经很幸运了,而且——

I'd been there about three days, and it was the only- I mean, I grew up in the middle of a forest, so there were not many places to work nearby, and I'd managed to get this job, and Based

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是因为你口音学得特别像吗?

on based on being so good on the accent?

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不是不是,我在那儿的时候根本没刻意模仿口音,那里本来就有不少意大利服务员。

No, no, I didn't try the accent when I was in there, there were actually Italian waiting staff in there.

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那时候我可能才十六岁,心想这下肯定要被开除了。

Maybe I was 16, and I thought I'm gonna get the sack here.

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我简直糟糕透顶。

I'm absolutely terrible.

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这事儿我以前讲过,但后来我运气好得出奇。

I've told this story before, but I'm- and then I had the best bit of luck.

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收银机坏了。

The till broke.

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收银机一坏,大家都慌了,我记得我端着单子过去,他们说收银机坏了,我就说:没事,我这单就28镑52便士,他们一听,都愣了。

So the till broke, and they were all in panic over it, and I remember coming and I had my order and they're, oh, till's broke, and I said, it's all right, mine is, you know, £28.52, and they're like, what?

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我以为是28.52英镑,他们就说,那你来负责收银吧。

Thought it was £28.52, and they said, okay, you be the till.

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所以接下来整个夏天,我都在那家意大利餐厅当收银员,而不是当服务员,这其实挺适合我现在的职业的,你说是不是?

So I basically spent the rest of my summer, which when I was working there, being the till in an Italian restaurant rather than being a waiter, which is quite fitting really for what I do now, suppose, isn't it?

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是的,这简直是完美的准备。

Yeah, yeah, well, perfect preparation.

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你看,数学在你根本想不到的生活领域里也能派上用场。

See, maths can play a part in all types of life you never expected.

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我们还剩两个。

We've got two more.

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我想先把这两个搞定,然后我们再回头聊银行账户的事。

I want to get them done, then we'll start and we'll go back to bank accounts.

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克里斯汀,我曾在一家独立经营的意大利餐厅当过服务员。

So Christine, I waited on in an independent Italian restaurant.

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虽然是独立餐厅,但也不代表所有东西都是自己做的。

Just because it's an independent restaurant doesn't mean things aren't bought in.

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我们以前经常收到客人夸奖龙虾意大利饺,其实都是买来的冷冻货。

We used to have so many compliments for the lobster ravioli, but it was bought in frozen.

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每次有人说是手工做的,我们就回说:很高兴你喜欢。

Every time someone said they could tell they were homemade, we'd just reply, I'm glad you enjoyed them.

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我会跟厨师说一声。

I'll let the chef know.

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我不是早跟你说过,要是想保密的话。

Told you if it would be secrets that we wanted.

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我们最后来聊一下露易丝。

We'll finish with Louise.

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我开了一家自己的咖啡馆,礼貌真的很重要。

I own my own coffee shop cafe and politeness goes a long way.

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我们有咖啡积分卡。

We have loyalty cards for coffees.

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只要你常来,偶尔就会送你免费饮品。

If you become a regular, you get freebies now and then.

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就是说,你整个餐食、咖啡和甜点全都免费。

As in your whole meal, free coffees and desserts.

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我们在普雷斯顿开了二十年了,常客都能享受到福利。

We're in Preston, established twenty years, being a regular earns rewards.

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我得说一句。

I will say this.

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有时候周一我写东西的时候,会去一个地方,离我家大概得走四十分钟。

Sometimes when I'm writing on a Monday, there's a place I go, it's probably about forty minutes walk from where I live.

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你知道的,我哪儿都走着去。

And as you know, I walk everywhere.

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每周一我都会去那儿写上几个小时,边吃午饭边写我网站的周报。

And I go there to go and write for a couple of hours for lunch on a Monday, it's when I'm writing the weekly email for my website.

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过去六个月里,他们已经三次告诉我,不用付钱了,因为我常来。

And in the last six months, they have three times told me I don't need to pay because I'm a regular.

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不过我得说明一下,那儿的服务员都不是以英语为母语的,而且从他们跟我聊天的样子来看,我觉得他们根本不知道我是谁。

Now I do need to point out, all of the waiting staff there are not English first language, and I don't believe from the conversations they've had with me, they know who I am.

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所以这并不是电视上说的那样,简单来说,就是你经常光顾,我们想谢谢你一直以来的支持。

So this isn't always off the telly, let's try and- This is just a you go there regularly, we want to say thank you for your continued custom.

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完全赞同露易丝刚才说的。

So absolutely backing up what Louise says there.

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谢谢你们。

And thank you.

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我不能——我想我不能做广告。

I won't- I guess I can't plug, I can't do advertising.

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我不能说出那个地方的名字。

I can't name what the place is.

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它其实是连锁店的一部分,但就是这家分店。

It's actually part of a chain, but it's that particular branch.

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感谢所有服务员、餐厅老板和那里的人们,谢谢你们的善意。

And thank you to all the waiting staff and restaurant owners and people there for giving us your tips.

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我知道现在餐饮行业不容易,衷心祝愿你们一切顺利。

And I know hospitality is struggling at the moment, I wish you all the best.

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接下来我们来看看打包银行账户。

Now, we're going to move on to packaged bank accounts.

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目前这类账户很少见,但有些开户奖励非常吸引人,甚至很划算,因为你通常得为打包账户付费,而它本质上是一堆和银行账户绑定的保险产品。

What we're seeing rarely at the moment with these is there are a number with switch bonuses that makes it very exciting and lucrative, because it effectively means that the products that you normally pay a fee for because a packaged bank account is effectively a whole load of insurance products that you pay a fee for linked to a bank account.

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其实重点不在银行账户,而在保险。

It's more about the insurance than it is the bank account.

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你付的费用,正好被开户奖励抵消了。

The fee that you pay is covered by the switch bonus.

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所以你可以把它看作是一年免费的保险服务。

So you can almost think of this as free insurance products for a year.

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通常你能得到的保险是全球家庭旅行保险。

Now, normally, the type of insurance you get is worldwide family travel insurance.

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如果单独买,这种高质量的保险要花70到100英镑。

Well, that would cost you 70 to £100 because these are good quality insurance if you paid it standalone.

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还有家庭手机保险,覆盖全家所有人的手机。

Household mobile phone insurance, so cover for all the family's mobile phones.

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想象你家里住着几个青少年,人人都有智能手机,光这一项保险就可能值七八十到一百英镑。

Imagine you're living in a house with a couple of teenagers, you've all got smartphones, that could easily be 75 to £100 per policy.

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这样一来,如果单独购买,这些保险加起来总价值差不多能达到四五百英镑。

So that's getting us up now to around 4 or £500 in total value if you were to buy it standalone.

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英国和欧洲的道路救援服务,费用大概在五十到一百五十英镑之间。

UK and European breakdown cover, well, that's between 50 and £150.

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你看,如果单独买这些保险,一年花五百英镑是很轻松的事。

So you can see that you might be spending easily £500 a year buying these insurances as standalone.

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就算在普通时候,每月付十二到十八英镑的账户服务费,也比单独买保险划算得多。

And it would be far cheaper even in normal times to pay the 12 to £18 a month fee for these packaged bank accounts.

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但现在,银行还额外送现金奖励来吸引你开户,这笔奖励正好覆盖了月费,通常能持续十个月到一年,等于你白拿了五六百英镑的保险保障。

But right now, when they're offering you free cash on top to sign up, and that pays the fee, in most cases, normally for ten months to a year, then effectively you're getting £500.600 pounds worth of insurance.

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但前提是,这些保险你本来就要买;如果你根本不需要,那再免费也不值。

Again, only if you would have been buying that anyway, otherwise it's not worth it at no cost.

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我们平时很少见到这种优惠。

And we don't normally see these freebies.

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我来快速给你讲一下这些优惠活动。

So let me run you through just the deals very quickly.

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桑坦德银行的Edge Explorer账户,月费17英镑,开户送180英镑现金。

You've got Santander Edge Explorer monthly fee £17 giving you £180 free cash if you open it.

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还附赠一张150英镑的全球酒店代金券。

Also giving a £150 worldwide hotel voucher.

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包含全球旅行保险、最多四部手机的手机保障,以及英国和欧洲的道路救援服务。

It's got the travel insurance worldwide, the mobile phone cover for up to four handsets, the breakdown cover UK and Europe.

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另外还提供家庭远程医疗服务,24/7在线问诊,以及普通银行账户的所有其他福利。

It also gives you family remote 20 fourseven GP access and the other perks that its normal standard bank account gives.

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如果你会用到这些服务,这个套餐真的很划算。

So that's a pretty hot package there if you'd use it.

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合作银行的Everyday Extra账户,开户送125英镑,外加连续三个月每月返25英镑。

You've got the Co op bank everyday extra account that's giving you £125 switching bonus plus £25 a month for three months.

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同样包含全球家庭旅行保险、家庭手机保障,以及英国和欧洲的道路救援服务。

Again, it's got the worldwide family travel insurance, the household mobile phone breakdown insurance and UK and European breakdown cover.

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它的优势是月费只有12英镑。

Its advantage, the monthly fee is just £12.

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所以你实际上能拿到200英镑,加上125.03英镑的奖励。

So you're getting effectively £200, the £125.03 plus £200 on top.

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月费是12英镑。

The monthly fee is £12.

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那这笔费用都包含哪些服务呢?

So what's that covering you?

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大概能撑二十个月。

About twenty months.

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用切换奖励抵扣月费,差不多能撑二十个月。

It's covering you for about twenty months, the monthly fee with the switching bonus.

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所以这个选项也很划算。

So again, could be pretty lucrative that one.

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另一个我想提的是国民威斯敏斯特银行的Flex Plus账户,转过来能拿175英镑。

And the other one I'll mention is the Nationwide Flex Plus that gives you £175 for switching to it.

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它的月费是18英镑。

Its monthly fee is £18.

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所以算下来大概只能撑十个月。

So what we're talking just about ten months there.

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它的主要优势是包含旅行保险、手机保障和道路救援服务。

Its main perk has the travel insurance, mobile phone cover, breakdown cover of the others.

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它最大的亮点是全球旅行保险没有年龄限制。

Its major perk is there is no age limit on the worldwide travel insurance.

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其他所有产品都有年龄限制。

All the others has age limits.

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合作银行的上限是79岁。

The co ops limit is up to age 79.

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桑坦德Edge的上限是70岁,所以它的年龄限制最高。

The Santander Edge is up to 70 birthday, so it's got the highest age limit on top of it.

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这三种就是目前最值得考虑的综合银行账户了。

So those are the three top packaged bank accounts.

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我刚才快速过了一遍这些内容。

I've run through them at speed.

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当然,你们还得仔细阅读和了解具体细节。

Obviously, and do your proper reading and detail about them.

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西蒙,你有什么问题吗?

Give me some questions, Simon.

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首先,我们确实有个成功的做法。

Well, first off, we've actually got a success.

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太棒了。

Love it.

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科林,我们以前各自都办过一个套餐银行账户,后来为了付家庭账单之类的,就开了个联名账户。

Colin, we used to have a packaged bank account each until we set up a joint current account for household bills, etcetera.

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然后我们把套餐账户保留下来,取消了其他的,这样花一份钱就能享受双倍的权益。

We then made that packaged bank account, cancelling the rest, and get the same benefits of two accounts for the price of one.

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我们的两张卡都包含道路救援服务,而且我们是重组家庭,双人名下的旅行保险没问题,还覆盖了孩子。

Both our cards are covered in the breakdown, and as we're a blended family, there isn't an issue with travel insurance in two names, and that includes the children.

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这一点其实很重要,因为有些套餐银行账户的保障只限于账户本人。

So that's actually a very important point, because sometimes with package bank accounts, the cover is only for the account holder.

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我不是在说这些账户,但很多道路救援服务确实只覆盖账户持有人。

Now not the accounts I'm mentioning, but often with the breakdown cover, it's only for the account holder.

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就算你们当中只有一个人来操作,只要你们有真正的信任关系——而你们必须有,毕竟这是个联名账户,一个人不能独揽控制权。

So even if only one of you were going to do this, if you are in a proper trusting relationship, and you need to be because it is a joint bank account, one doesn't have control of it.

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如果你们彼此信任,哪怕对方不打算用这张卡,也可以把对方加为联名账户持有人。

If you're in a proper trusting relationship, then you could put your partner's name as a joint account holder, even though they won't use it.

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这样一来,比如道路救援只保账户持有人,但你们办成联名账户,两个人就都能覆盖到了。

Just so then, for example, if the breakdown cover was only for the account holder, and you do it as a joint account, it would cover both of you.

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这个小技巧挺有意思。

So an interesting tip there.

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接下来呢?

What's next?

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Carol有个问题。

So Carol's got a question.

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我用的是综合账户,包含旅行保险,另外还额外付费覆盖了既往健康问题。

I use a package account for travel insurance and pay the supplement for pre existing health issues.

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这一点非常关键。

That's really important.

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如果你有既往病史,最好主动问清楚,很多时候你可以提前了解,为了覆盖你的状况需要加多少钱。

Often, if you've got a pre existing condition, you should ask them and you can generally in some cases ask them in advance how much you would have to pay extra to cover your condition.

Speaker 0

有些银行的年龄上限比较低,但你也可以额外付费提高上限;另外,邮轮保险有时也需要额外付费。

It also applies for some of the banks which have lower age limits that you can pay them extra to have a higher age limit, or cruise cover is sometimes extra as well.

Speaker 0

所以你得仔细看看保险具体包含哪些内容。

So you need to check what's in the cover.

Speaker 0

不过通常花点小钱就能升级,获得更全面的保障。

But often you can do a relatively cheap upgrade you want to get wider cover carry on.

Speaker 1

但她提到,之前手机丢了,他们拒赔,还收了高额的手续费,她现在不太信任他们。

Well, but she says she doesn't trust them after they wouldn't pay out on a lost phone and charge quite big admin charges when you want to upgrade, I.

Speaker 1

嗯。

E.

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