今天若你感到事事不顺，最需要听到的这些话

所以当我们追溯词源时，往往能找到更完整、更有帮助的原始定义或最接近原始的定义。

And so when we go back more often than not, their original or as close as we can get, their original definitions are more whole and so much more helpful.

所以我特别钟爱'尊重'这个词的本义。

So honor, I love the original definition of the word honor.

'尊重'的本义是：让真理保持在视野中。

Honor means to keep what is true in view.

我太爱这个定义了——让真理保持在视野中。

I love that to keep what is true in view.

对于所有在场和聆听的朋友们，你们如何将尊重的实践个性化？

So for everyone who's with us and listening, how can you personalize the practice of honoring?

你如何保持对自己及天赋的真实认知？

How do you keep what is true in view about what you know about yourself and your gifts?

我认为，对我们任何人来说，第一步就是——要知道‘信任’这个词的字面意思就是追随内心。

So I think that, you know, the first step for any of us is to you know, the word trust literally means follow your heart.

那么在日常中追随内心，是什么让你更有活力？

So to follow our hearts in a daily way, what brings you more alive?

什么是鼓舞人心的？

What is heartening?

别管它是职业、项目还是日常活动，只要它能让你更有活力。

Forget about whether it's a career or a project or just what do you do during the day or that brings you more alive.

然后多做这些事情。

And then do more of it.

可能是凝望天空，可能是为朋友做饭，可能是集邮——我有个挚友保罗，多年前他陪伴我度过抗癌历程。

It could be staring at the sky or it could be making meals for friends or it could be stamp collecting or it could be know, I have a dear friend, the friend Paul who helped me through my cancer journey all those years ago.

他有许多天赋，虽然为谋生做过各种工作，但他如此完美地追随本心。

And one of his great gifts, I mean he did all kinds of things to make a living, but he followed so beautifully.

记得二十多岁时，他创办了一家艺术画廊，那让他充满活力。

You know, he when we were in our twenties, he he created an art gallery and that brought him alive.

那是纽约奥尔巴尼一家很棒的艺术画廊，后来情况变了。

And it was a wonderful art gallery in Albany, New York, and then it changed.

再后来，他开始自己画水墨画了。

And, you know, the next thing I knew, he was, you know, doing Sumi painting himself.

然后，你知道，又过了十年，他在一位外国汽车修理工那里当学徒。

And then, you know, another ten years, he was apprenticing with a foreign car mechanic.

他只是追随内心的召唤，而不是看这件事是否‘成功’。

And he just followed what brought him and it wasn't whether it was quote successful or not.

只是让他感到活着的东西发生了变化。

It was just that what brought him alive shifted.

我甚至不会说‘看’，只要我们不带评判，不再纠结于‘行不通’或‘没成果’。

I wouldn't even say see, as long as we take the judgment out of it, not no longer works or didn't produce something.

所以，你知道，我们年轻时都会遇到这种情况——你在课间转圈玩，老师就说：‘孩子，你动作真优雅。’

So, you know, one of the things is that happens to all of us when we're young, you're spinning in recess and this teacher says, boy, you're so graceful.

‘你会是个好舞者。’

You'd be a good dancer.

或者听到有人在角落‘啦 啦 啦’地唱歌。

Or hear somebody singing la la la over in the corner.

‘你应该当歌手。’

You you should be a singer.

突然间，这些来自社会的评价就钻进我们脑子里，然后我们开始想：‘好吧，要成为歌手需要做什么？’

And now all of a sudden, it gets in our heads from society and from, okay, what do I have to do to become a singer?

‘这意味着我必须上课吗？’

Does that mean I have to take lessons?

‘这意味着我必须录唱片吗？’

Does that mean I have to get a record recorded?

‘我必须登台表演吗？’

Do I have to perform?

若歌唱能让你焕发生机，无论唱得好坏，你都是歌者。

Or if singing brings you alive, whether you sing well or not, you're a singer.

那么，我们如何保持动词状态而不沦为名词？

So how do we stay a verb and not become a noun?

而这正是发现自身天赋的核心所在。

And this is at the heart of finding our own gift.

明白吗？

You know?

我记得好像是霍华德·瑟曼说过，我们不需要...原话记不清了，但大意是：我们需要的是鲜活的人，而非所谓精通其业的人。

I think it I think it was Howard Thurman who said we don't need we don't need people oh, I can't remember the exact quote, but what the essence of it was we need people who are alive, not people who are quote good at what they do.

因为只要充满生命力，我们自然能精通所从事之事。

Because if we're alive, we will be good at what we do.

说实话，阅读你的著作总能让我精神振奋。

Well, one of the things that brings me alive is reading from your book.

嗯哼。

Uh-huh.

因为我总会随手翻阅，所以想给你读一段。

Because I always drop in, and so I wanna read one to you.

然后很想听你解读这一篇。

And then I'd love to hear you kind of unpack this one.

这是5月19日的篇章，名为《蜂来》。

So this one is May 19, and it's called the bee comes.

花儿不曾梦见蜜蜂。

The flower doesn't dream of the bee.

花开蜂自来。

It blossoms and the bee comes.

我为何哭泣？

Why am I crying?

马克，你真该死。

Mark, damn you.

好吧。

Okay.

在我生命中的某些时刻，我曾如此渴望爱情，以至于重塑自我，试图变得更值得被爱或更配得上爱，却一次次发现，唯有滋养自己的灵魂，才能自然而然地开启爱的历程。

At times in my life, I have wanted love so badly that I have reimagined myself, reinvented who I am in an attempt to be more desirable or more deserving, only to discover again and again that it is the tending of my own soul that invites the natural process of love to begin.

记得我第一次坠入爱河的情形。

I remember my very first tumble into love.

在那里我找到了莫大的慰藉，就像那喀索斯一样，我沉醉于她美丽容颜中映照出的、我痛苦之外的一切。

I found such comfort there that like narcissus, I became lost in how everything other than my pain was reflected in her beauty.

自始至终，我都在放弃自我价值，将她奉为我快乐源泉的钥匙。

All the while, I was abdicating my own worth, empowering her as the key to my sense of joy.

如果说这些年我学到了什么，那就是尽管我们与他人共同发现并体验快乐，但承载快乐的能力如同花蜜囊袋，始终存于我们自己的胸膛。

If I've learned anything through the years, it is that though we discover and experience joy with others, our capacity for joy is carried like a pod of nectar and our very own breast.

如今我深信，我们最深刻的使命是在此生扎稳根基，敞开心扉迎接经历之光，从而绽放自我。

I now believe that our deepest vocation is to root ourselves enough in this life that we can open our hearts to the light of experience and so bloom.

因为绽放之时，自会吸引他人。

For in blooming, we attract others.

当我们彻底活出真我，便会释放出一种内在芬芳，召唤他人来品尝我们的花蜜。

In being so thoroughly who we are, an inner fragrance is released that calls others to eat of our nectar.

我们被朋友和伴侣们同样地爱着。

And we are loved by friends and partners alike.

存在的意义似乎就是让我们准备好迎接这样的爱。

It seems the very job of being is to ready us for such love.

通过关注内心的成长，我们奇妙地成为了真正的自己。

By attending our own inner growth, we uncannily become exactly who we are.

就像郁金香的花瓣形状恰好与蜜蜂匹配，我们的自我实现会吸引众多真实的爱人，超越所有幻想。

And like the tulip whose blossom petal is the exact shape of the bee, Our self actualization attracts a host of loving others more real than all our fantasies.

宇宙正是通过绽放灵魂的意外相遇而延续。

In this way, the universe continues through the unexpected coming together of blossomed souls.

所以如果可以，放下对他人的渴求，做真实的自己。

So if you can, give up the want of another and be who you are.

往往在你真正爱自己的那一刻，爱情就会如期而至。

And more often than not, love will come at the precise moment you are simply loving yourself.

这太美了。

It's so beautiful.

哦，谢谢你。

Oh, thank you.

你读得太动听了。

You read it beautifully.

你还给出了能帮助深入理解的提示。

And you also give a prompt that helps you take it deeper.

你说：找出一个让你为自己感到骄傲的特质。

You say, identify one trait that makes you feel good about who you are.

你的笑声、你的笑容、你倾听的能力，或是你说话的声音。

Your laugh, your smile, your ability to listen, or the sound of your voice.

花点时间，感谢自己微小的善意和他人潜在的爱意。

Take a moment and give thanks for your small goodness and for the potential love of others.

这太美好了。

It's so beautiful.

下次当你展现这份善意时，留意你的存在如何影响他人。

The next time you exhibit this goodness, notice how who you are affects others.

马克，我从中学到的是，人们很容易贬低自己并追逐外界的认可。

You know, what I get out of that, Mark, is how it's so easy to kinda trash yourself and chase outside validation.

但我们很少有人会停下来真正欣赏自己身上值得珍视的小特质。

But not many of us stop and actually appreciate small traits that we can love about ourselves.

这些引导确实帮助我放慢脚步，培养这种能力——去发现自我欣赏之处。

And these prompts have really helped me to slow down and to build this muscle where I just notice things that I admire about myself.

虽然听起来有点老套，但学会发现让自己为自身品格感到骄傲的内在特质，并真正见证它，确实能唤起更多感激、爱意和自我认同感。

And that's, you know, it sounds kinda cheesy, but learning how to see things within yourself that make you proud of the kind of person that you are and really witnessing it, it does open up more feelings of appreciation and love and a sense of pride in who you are.

这些小事很容易被忽视。

And it's easy to look over these small things.

我们能在他人身上看到这些，但学会在自己身上发现这些需要新的技能。

We see it in other people, but I think it's a it's a new skill to learn to see it in yourself.

所以你写那篇文章是想传授自爱的重要性以及如何开始实践吗？

So is that what you're trying to teach in that essay there, the importance of loving yourself and how to start doing it?

你看，我所有作品的核心思想就像蜜蜂与花——花儿从不会梦见蜜蜂。

So so one of the things about all my writing is that like the bee, you know, the bee doesn't the the flower doesn't dream of the bee.

花开蜂自来。

It blossoms and the bee comes.

我最初并不知晓这一点。

I didn't know that when I started that.

而正是在这个过程中，我逐渐发现创作过程与内省过程实则是一回事。

And and this is where over time I've discovered that the creative process and the introspective process are really the same thing.

我只是恰好将其记录下来。

I just happen to write it down.

因此其中蕴含了太多启示。

And and so there are so many lessons.

其中之一再次印证了我们的无知。

And one of them, which is again the sense that we don't know.

对任何人而言，保持本真就能获得洞见。

So for anyone by being authentic, we are given insights.

所以每当我开始创作时，总是追随那些真实困扰我、令我惊叹或困惑的事物。

And so when I start things, I am following what is real or troubling or wondrous or confusing for me.

只要保持真诚，就能获得领悟作为回报。

And then if I am true, I'm rewarded with an insight.

这自然成为整篇记录的核心洞见。

And that of course is the insight of that whole entry.

而我当时并不知晓。

And I didn't know that.

于是现在它就成了我的老师。

And then so now that becomes my teacher.

因此，这就是我们如何倾注心灵关注，而真实展现自我会让我们发现自己的天赋。

And so this is how we can give our hearts attention and what comes by being real gives us clues to our own gifts.

这其中揭示的一个道理，可以说是一种精神法则，我们常在初恋中看到这种情况——高中时你爱上我，意味着你在我身上看到了我自己尚未察觉的特质。

And so one of the things that that reveals about a kind of like a law, if you will, of a spiritual law, you know, and this often we see this with first love, you know, We're in high school, you love me and which means you see something in me I haven't yet seen.

而现在，我的天啊。

And now my god.

我觉得你得转向我的光芒。

And I think you've got to switch to my light.

我不能让你离开我的视线，这其实非常自我中心。

I can't let you out of my sight, which actually is very self centered.

但无论如何，你知道，我就是觉得天啊我神魂颠倒，而随着时间推移我们明白，对爱我们的人最大的尊重就是活出自己的光芒。

But nonetheless, you know, I'm just like, oh my god, I'm head over heels and, you know, and what we learn over time is the greatest respectful gift we can give to someone who loves us is to own our own light.

你看到了它，但开关在我手中。

You saw it, but it's my switch.

而我在你身上看到了它，开关在你手中。

And I see it in you and it's your switch.

我们必须互相尊重这一点。

And we have to honor that in each other.

所以最美好之处在于，做真实的自己——我们确实需要先爱自己。

And so this is one of the beautiful things is by being who we are, I mean, we do have to love ourselves first.

那么你会如何引导那些真正想要先学会更爱自己、找到内心开关的人呢？

How though would you invite somebody who really wants to be more loving of themselves first and to like find the switch?

基于我们讨论的所有内容，我总是建议从小的步骤开始。

So with all the things we're talking about, I would all always try to come down to small steps.

好的。

Okay.

那么问题是，你能找出并花时间关注一件让你自我感觉良好的事吗？

And so one is, can you identify and spend time with one thing you feel good about yourself?

能…能给我举个例子吗？

Can can you give me an example?

你是个很好的倾听者。

You're a good listener.

你擅长讲故事。

You're a good storyteller.

你很会在别人需要时出现。

You're good at, showing up when people need you.

你善于提问。

You're good at asking questions.

你擅长发现缺失的环节。

You're good at finding the missing piece.

明白吗？

You know?

你…你擅长…你知道的，可能有无数小事，但总有些细微之处。

You're you're good at you know, it could be a thousand things, but something little.

然后要注意，不仅是你做这件事时的愉悦感，更要关注它为你开启了什么？

And then to pay attention, not just that you feel good when you do it, but what is it opening in you?

发生什么了？

What's going on?

要知道，要总是鼓励人们以自己的人生为案例进行研究。

You know, always encourage people to use their own life as a case study.

就像DNA一样，一切都被编码其中，整个生物学都蕴含在DNA里。

Just like DNA, everything's embedded, all of biology is embedded in DNA.

其实在我们心中，当触及真实时，你所知道的一切，整个人性都蕴含其中。

Well, in our heart, everything you know, when we touch something real, all of humanity is embedded in there.

那么我们该如何...比如如果我擅长倾听朋友，这说明了我的什么倾听天赋？

And so how do we you know, so if I am good at, listening to a friend, what does that tell me about my gift of listening?

我该如何倾听自己？

How do I then listen to myself?

我该如何将这种倾听能力运用到自己身上？

How do I take that listening and apply it to myself?

不是为了达成什么，而是为了更深入地了解真实的自我。

Not to achieve anything, but to grow more intimate with who I am.

一旦我们与真我亲密无间，我们也就进入了与万物的亲缘关系。

And once we're intimate with who we are, we also be we enter our kinship with all things.

为什么必须先与自我建立亲密关系，才能与万物相连？

Why does it begin with being intimate with yourself before you can be connected to everything else?

你明白我的意思吗？

Do you see what I mean?

就像我...

Like I

这么说吧，让我...嗯。

So so to to speak that, let me Yeah.

出去走走吧。

Go out a little bit.

要知道，所有传统都在谈论这个，但我特别喜欢印度传统的表达方式。

And, you know, all those traditions speak about it, but I really love how the Hindu tradition speaks, about it.

我们都听说过'Namaste'这个词。

And so we all have heard the term Namaste or Namaste.

我说Namaste，这是布鲁克林式的说法。

I say Namaste, that's the Brooklyn way of saying it.

但它的意思是：我致敬，保持对真理的观照，那存在于你体内的宇宙精神部分。

But what it means is, I honor, keep to keep what is true in view, the portion of universal spirit that resides in you.

所以在西方，我们称之为灵魂。

So in the West, we call that soul.

在东方，他们称之为阿特曼、佛性。

In the East, they call it Atman, Buddha nature.

基督教称之为圣灵。

Christianity calls it the Holy Ghost.

犹太教称之为雅威。

Judaism calls it Yahweh.

你懂我意思吗？

You know what mean?

有上千种名称。

There's a thousand names.

所以我的信念是——这只是我在长老会议圆桌上的观点——就像蓝鸟屋里的空气是天空的一小部分。

And and so what I believe, and that's just my point on the circle in the elder council, is that just like the air in a bluebird house is a little portion of the sky.

我们称之为灵魂，但每个人在世时都承载着一部分宇宙精神。

We call it the soul here, but we each carry a portion of universal spirit while we're here.

因此与之亲近，能让我们成为永恒精神世界与日常杂货店购物之间的通道或导管。

So to become intimate with that allows us to be the inlet or the conduit between the world of spirit that's existed forever and going to the grocery store.

所以心灵必须保持开放，必须成为贯穿所有时空、连接所有生命与被你扶起的那位掉落杂货的路人之间的开放容器。

And so the heart again is has to stay open, has to stay this open vessel between all of time and all of life and the person you help up who dropped their groceries.

这就是为什么我们需要亲近自己的本性——通过认识我是谁，我反而能触及我所不是的一切，这是个悖论。

And that's why we need to be intimate with our own nature so that we have access to more there's a paradox that by knowing who I am, I can gain access to all I am not.

举个非常个人的例子：我父亲活到93岁，晚年时我们已疏远多年。

I'll give you a very personal example that really when my father was toward the end of his life and he lived to be 93 and we were estranged for many years.

在他八十多岁时我们重新联系，对此我充满感激。

And then in his eighties, we reconnected, which I was so grateful for.

他是位木工大师。

And he was a master woodworker.

要知道，作为他的长子，我们却始终言语不通。

And, know, so we never I was his first born son, but we we never spoke the same language.

虽然我从他身上学到了很多关于创造力的东西。

Although I learned so much about creativity from him.

他并非刻意教授，而是通过观察他学到的。

Didn't he didn't teach it but by watching him.

在他生命最后阶段，中风住院时。

So at the end of his life, he had had a stroke and was in the hospital.

他虽能说话，但因太过困难而不再尝试。

And he could speak, but it was so difficult, he just didn't try.

于是我发现自己身处一个非常忙碌的环境，他没有单独的房间，我在一个极其繁忙的医院里，耳边充斥着仪器声、电视声和各种嘈杂声。

And so I found myself in a very busy he didn't have a separate room and I was in a very very busy hospital setting and beeping and TVs and clattering.

突然间，我正在用勺子喂他吃苹果酱。

And all of a sudden, I'm feeding him applesauce with a spoon.

那一刻既悲伤又美好，带着苦涩的甜蜜。

And it was sad and beautiful and bittersweet.

突然间，这就是我生命的全部意义——把勺子送进他嘴里而不碰到他的牙齿。

And all of a sudden, was my whole life, And that was putting the spoon in his mouth without hitting his teeth.

他正吃着苹果酱，而我泪流满面，我们就这样相对无言。

And he was, you know, getting the applesauce and I'm crying and and there we are.

再次强调，你无法为这些事情做准备，但因为我敞开心扉，突然间就进入了一个充满奇迹的时刻。

And again, going back to you can't prepare for these things, but because my heart was open, all of a sudden, was in a moment of wonder.

这个顿悟并非源于我的刻意寻求，而是因为我毫无保留地将自己完全交付给了那个瞬间。

All of a sudden, not because I was looking for it, but because I held nothing back and I gave everything to that moment.

突然间，我成为了所有曾喂食垂危父母的成年子女的化身。

I suddenly was in the moment of every adult child who ever fed a dying parent.

通过完全做真实的自己，我并不孤独——这是爱的召唤，不是某种练习，也不是因为'我要试试这个'。

And I wasn't alone by being thoroughly who I was, called to by love, not by some exercise or because, oh, I'll try this.

不。

No.

就在突然间，我跌入了这个奇妙难言的空间，它彻底改变了我对韧性的理解。

Just all of a sudden, I tripped into this amazing inexplicable space, and it's changed how I think about resilience.

我认为另一种形式的韧性，是当我们完全做真实的自己时展现的。

I think another form of resilience is when we are thoroughly who we are.

若我能感受你的痛苦，我便瞬间汇入了所有曾感受痛苦之人的长河。

We are so if I feel your pain, I am in suddenly the river of everyone who ever felt pain.

若我能感受你的惊奇，我便汇入了所有曾感受惊奇之人的长河。

If I feel your wonder, I'm in the river of everyone who ever felt wonder.

而通过做真实的自己，获得与万物联结的能力，这本身就是一种非凡的韧性。

And by being who we are, gaining access to the kinship of all things is an amazing form of resilience.

马克，你知道吗，就像《觉醒之书》里说的，你分享的每句话都让我深思。

You know, Mark, just like the words in the book of awakening, everything that you're sharing is giving me a lot to think about.

克里斯，我看到你在点头，我也能感觉到——无论你是通过YouTube观看还是正在收听——此刻你也在同步点头。

And I can see you, Chris, nodding along, and I can feel you as you're either watching on YouTube or listening right now that you're nodding along to.

要不我们先暂停片刻？

So how about we take a beat?

我想让马克充满智慧的话语真正沉淀下来。

I want Mark's brilliant words and wisdom to sink in.

同时也想给你时间，把这份感悟分享给你在乎的人。

And I also wanna give you a moment to share this with people that you care about.

这确实是你能馈赠他人的礼物，它会在对方最需要的时刻唤醒他们内心的某些东西。

This is really a gift that you can give to somebody else that will awaken something within them at the exact moment that they could use it most.

请别离开，稍后我们将带来更多洞见、灵感和智慧，教你如何通过活在当下，拥有理想的生活。

And don't go anywhere because we'll be waiting for you with more insights and more inspiration and more wisdom on how you can have the life you want by being present to the life that you have.

别走开。

Stay with me.

欢迎回来。

Welcome back.

我是你的朋友梅尔。

It's your friend Mel.

今天，你将听到《纽约时报》畅销书排名第一的作家、诗人和哲学家马克·尼波为你带来的箴言。

And today, you're getting the exact words that you need to hear today from number one New York Times bestselling author and poet and philosopher, Mark Nepo.

过去十年间，马克对罗宾斯一家影响深远。特别让我欣喜的是，他此刻就与我的丈夫克里斯一同在录音棚里——正是克里斯最初让我接触到马克的作品。

Mark has had a huge impact on the Robbins household for the last decade, and I'm thrilled that he's here in the studio along with my husband, Chris, who introduced me to Mark's work in the first place.

是啊。

Yeah.

我还在这儿呢。

I'm still here.

没错，我这里有段文字要分享。

So, yes, I have a passage.

4月26日：道路艰难却明朗。

April 26, the way is hard but clear.

尽管前行最为艰难，但道路始终清晰。

Though it is the hardest going, the way is clear.

自然学家兼环保主义者凯文·斯克里布纳告诉我们，鲑鱼通过不断撞击受阻的路径逆流而上，直到找到水流最湍急之处。

The naturalist and environmentalist, Kevin Scribner, tells us that salmon make their upstream by bumping repeatedly into blocked pathways until they find where the current is strongest.

它们似乎知道，水流无阻之处意味着没有障碍。

Somehow they know that the unimpeded rush of water means there is no obstacle there.

于是它们热切地游入这个通道——尽管逆流最为艰难，但前路始终明朗。

And so they enter this opening fervently for though it is the hardest going the way is clear.

这个启示既令人不安又极具价值，无论面对内心还是外界的困境时都是如此。

The lesson here is as unnerving as it is helpful in facing both inner and outer adversities.

真理之路以其势不可挡的力量向我们袭来，因为它清晰无阻。

The passage of truth comes at us with a powerful momentum because it is clear and unimpeded.

因此，在感知真理奔涌之处，正是我们需全力以赴之地。

And so where we sense the rush of truth is where we must give our all.

作为人类，我们旅途中的阻碍会以多种形式出现。

As human beings, the blocked pathways of our journey can take on many forms.

无论是避免与他人冲突，还是不敢冒险去爱，抑或拒绝心灵的召唤——那召唤本可让我们更充分地参与生活——人们往往宁愿持续撞击这些封闭的路径，也不愿热切踏入那条无比清晰的通道。

And whether it be in avoiding conflict with others or in not taking the risk to love or in not accepting the call of spirit that would have us participate more fully in our days, it is often easier to butt up continually against these blocked pathways than to enter fervently the one passage that is so powerfully clear.

在这方面，鲑鱼天生示范了健康的坚持：它们教会我们如何不断探寻畅通之路，并在找到后更加奋力穿越。

In this regard, salmon innately model a healthy persistence by showing us how to keep nosing for the unimpeded way, and once finding it, how to work even harder to make it through.

有人说鲑鱼更容易做到这点，因为它们回归出生地的本能驱动力不会被那些常使我们远离真理的无尽顾虑所削弱。

Some say it is easier for salmon since the power of their drive to end where they begin is not compromised by the endless considerations that often keep us from the truth.

然而，正是心灵在跌倒后——无论伤痕累累——仍能再次升起的能力，证明了这种驱动力同样存在于我们体内。

Still, it is the heart's capacity to rise one more time after falling down, no matter how bruised, that verifies that such a drive lives in us too.

如同鲑鱼，我们的道路不仅需要迎头直面，更需要让整个生命穿越而过。

Like salmon, our way depends not just on facing things head on, but in moving our whole being through.

谢谢。

Thank you.

你知道吗？

You know what?

我喜爱这段文字有许多原因，其中很重要的一点是我热爱鱼类、垂钓及上述所有内容。

I love that passage for a lot of reasons, but not the least of which because I love fish and fishing and all the above.

但若要追溯这项工作和您著作的起源故事，我认为我生命中发生的许多事件都蕴含着真实的元素。

But it's part of the origin story, if you will, in finding some of this work and and your writing is that I think that there were there were a lot of elements of what was going on in my life that were true.

但他们都处在那种水流交汇处，可以这么说，而我并没有刻意寻找水流最湍急的地方。

But they were all sort of in that confluence of water rushing, if you will, and me not seeking that where the water was flowing the hardest, if you will.

所以当我读到这个时，它不仅反映了我个人可能取得的一些突破，也让我经常与其他同样全力以赴的男性分享这份工作。

So when I read that, it just speaks to not only maybe some of the breakthroughs that I had for myself, but also just I'm often sharing this work with other men who are often working as hard as they can Yeah.

并且感觉他们正试图在艰难中开辟出一条路来。

And feeling like they are trying to nose their way through the tough stuff.

但你知道，当你身处其中时往往意识不到。

But, you know, it's not when you're in the middle of it.

当然，就像河流中央的鲑鱼一样，情况并非总是那么显而易见。

Certainly for the salmon in the middle of the river, like, it's not always that it's not always that apparent.

是啊。

Yeah.

当然，坐在漩涡边缘要轻松得多。

Of course, lot easier to sit in the eddy Yeah.

先喘口气，而不是直接冲进去。

And and catch your breath than than really go for it.

因此我发现自己很多对话都围绕着至少探讨可能性展开。

And so this is a lot of what I find myself in conversation about is finding that at least discussing what could be true.

没错。

Yeah.

然后尝试慢慢接近那些湍急的水流。

And then trying to inch ourselves towards that rushing water.

好的，谢谢。

Well, thank you.

我也认为在面对这些机遇时，重要的是我们无法独自完成，也不必一次性解决所有问题。

And I I I also feel it's important that in facing these openings that we can't do it alone and we don't have to do it all at once.

是的。

Yeah.

就像我可能会发现，哦，就是它了，但我不确定今天能否做到。

Like I may find like, oh, there it is, but I don't know if I can do it today.

但对我来说，我认为我天生就擅长使用隐喻表达。

And but I think it is and and, you know, for me, I I I think my native the language I was born with was metaphor.

因此我总是通过观察事物来领悟其中蕴含的道理。

And and and so I've always seen things in looking at things and and then work to find out what the teaching is.

在这个过程中，我们常常被谦卑地教导要放下对既定方向的执着。

And and in that one, you know, I think it also speaks to how we're awfully humbled into letting go of where we think we're going.

克里斯，我想深入探讨那篇文章——当你用鲑鱼溯游的视角阅读时，若你见过鲑鱼逆流而上、在激流中奋力跃起的样子，我想这种强烈情感的来源，往往正是我们本能抗拒前往的湍急水域。

I wanted to dig more into that essay, Chris, because when you read it as the salmon and if you've ever seen salmon swimming upstream and they're leaping up with the water leaping up and they're efforting their way, I think if I had to guess why there's so much emotion, it's that oftentimes where the water is rushing, you are actively resisting going there.

无论是结束一段关系、承认自己并不快乐，还是决定戒酒，或是追求更深层的精神体验——

Whether it's ending the relationship or admitting to yourself that you're not happy or it is getting sober, or it's deciding that you want to have a deeper spiritual experience that you

或者以上所有。

Or all of the above.

干脆一次性全做了。

Just do them all at once.

但你知道那种牵引感——我们许多人耗费数年甚至数十年光阴，如同撞击礁石般抗拒着这种牵引，却不敢转身直面它。

But that you know and you feel the pull, but you spend, for many of us, years, if not decades of your life bumping against the rock, feeling the pull, and scared to turn toward it.

我想这就是人生反复给我们的启示，直到某天你恍然大悟：原来如此。

And I think that's when you get this lesson and you get it over and over in life and you go, oh, of course.

唉，真希望五年前我第一次感受到水流时就做了那个决定，但我当时害怕了。

Oh, I wish I would have made that decision five years ago when I first felt the water rushing there, but I was scared.

然后就像，我能感受到你的泪水，因为你与众多人围坐一圈，独自退却，看到我们因恐惧那湍急水流和未知前路而无意间造成的痛苦。

And then you like, I feel like your tears, because you sit in circle with so many men on sole degree your retreat, that you see the pain that we cause ourselves unknowingly because we are scared of that rushing water and scared of where it's leading.

所以我很想听听——我是说，我只是把这个想法抛到圈子里讨论。

And so I'd love to hear is that I mean, I'm just throwing it into the circle here.

我是说，我觉得你的描述非常准确。

I mean, I think you the way you describe it is is is spot on.

如果把三文鱼的比喻去掉，我常觉得这感觉就像——你知道超人用脸撞穿砖墙到达另一侧前的感受。

I mean, it's If you take the salmon out of it, I often think about it kinda like, you know, Superman must feel right before he breaks his face through the brick wall and sort of gets to the other side, if you will.

但那里需要最大力量...按你说的梅尔，就是关于阻力如何频繁出现，当然还有恐惧。

But that is where the most force or to your what you're saying, Mel, just about resistance and how, of course, resistance pops up often and just fear.

而且

And

嗯，如果回到你刚才说的马克，'信任'这个词。

Well, if I go back to what you said, Mark, the word trust.

是啊。

Yeah.

跟随你的心。

Just follow your heart.

对。

Yeah.

生活中很多时候，那湍急的水流——你内心深处知道——正是你心之所向。

And a lot of times in life, that rushing current, you know deep down is where your heart is leading.

嗯，所以让我这么说吧，你知道的，我认为它也可以在很多方面以那种清晰快速的方式呈现。

Well and so let me so, you know, and I think it also can be up here in many ways that that clear rush way.

它可以是承认事实。

It can be it can be admitting what is true.

它可以是承认我们的局限。

It can be admitting our limitations.

你知道，它可以是放下一个梦想，结果发现那个梦想只是为我们未曾预见的另一个梦想准备的茧。

You know, it can be putting down a dream that turned out to be a cocoon for the dream we didn't see coming.

嗯。

Mhmm.

而且我也认为，你知道，我是说，你对共事之人的同情心是如此动人。

And I also think that, you know, I mean, your compassion for those you work with is is so touching.

它挑战着我们，使我们不能剥夺任何人的成长历程。

And it challenges us that we can't rob anyone of their journey.

而我们能做的只是帮助他们。

And and all we can do is is help them.

我是说，当然，如果你跌倒了，我可以扶你起来。

I mean, certainly, if you fall down, I can help you up.

如果你流血了，我可以拿创可贴或叫医生。

If you're bleeding, I can get a Band Aid or call the doctor.

但在内心深处，这才是同情真正的含义。

But inwardly, this is what compassion really means.

这个词的字面意思就是'同在'。

The word literally means to be with.

因此与你同在，意味着我愿分担你的痛苦。

And so to be with you means I agree to feel your pain.

是啊。

Yeah.

我愿分享你的喜悦，却力不能及。

I agree to feel your joy, but I can't.

这又是一个例子，就像没人能替你生活，但我们也不能独自前行。

This is another example of like no one can live your life, but we can't do it alone.

要知道在现代社会，尤其是西方世界，我们深受其害的一种观念是——总觉得自己理应享有无压力、无冲突、无波澜的生活。

You know one of the things in our world that we suffer in the modern world and especially in the West is you know we feel like we're entitled to a stress free, conflict free, sensation free existence.

那其实是死亡的状态。

Well that's death.

我们活在世上，真正要学习的是人类经验的全部光谱——包括所有光明与阴暗。

You know if we're here, full what we learn from is the full range of being human, which includes all of it.

所以啊，追随你的内心吧，要相信你会感受到各种情绪，可能会受点小伤，可能会摔断腿，也可能会心碎。

And so, you know, to follow your heart and trust that you'll feel things and you may get nicked and you may break a leg or you may break your heart.

但你被赐予的那份宇宙精神，比你想象的更强大、更完整，终将带你穿越黑暗。

But the portion of universal spirit that you're blessed to carry is stronger and more whole and will carry you through it.

还有件谦卑的事要牢记——永远记得寻求帮助。

And also the humbling thing to always ask for help.

当你面对人生中那些火墙时，会对自己说什么呢？

Is there something that you say to yourself when you are standing before one of those walls of fire in life?

要知道，纵使乌云蔽日，太阳也从未停止照耀。

You know, there are cloudy days, but the sun never stops shining.

这并不意味着当你身处阴云之下时，商店就是真实的。

That doesn't mean that when you're under a cloud and it's store that's real.

它是湿的。

It's wet.

它是潮湿的。

It's damp.

你会感到冷，而太阳依然照耀不误。

You get cold, and the sun sun doesn't stop shining.

我们面临的挑战是以开放的心态与两者建立联系。

And we are challenged with the open heart to relate to both.

你知道那句老话吗——杯子是半满还是半空？

You know the old saying that is the glass half full or half empty?

它总是两者兼具。

It's always both.

我觉得这很无用，因为我们总是花时间试图站在满的那边，但你知道，它总是两者兼具。

I find that such a useless because then we spend time either trying to be in the full side or the you know, it's always both.

我们正在讨论的挑战是：如何完全存在于当下，并与两者保持联系。

And what we're talking about, the challenge of being fully here is how do we stay in relationship to both.

当人们这么说时，我总是说，这其实关乎杯子本身。

I always say when people say that, it's really about the glass.

你可以选择用任何东西装满它。

And you can fill it with whatever you choose.

是啊。

Yeah.

你可以将其清空，这迫使你与其中的内容建立联系。

And you can empty it out, which forces you to be in relation to what's in it.

那太棒了。

That's wonderful.

要知道，如果倾听者马克真的这么想——‘我只想像马克那样看待生活’。

You know, if the person who's listening, Mark, literally is like, I just wanna look at life the way that Mark does.

你建议他们从哪里开始？

Where do you suggest that they begin?

首先，我鼓励你不要像我这样看待生活，而是找到你自己与生活的直接联系，我会在那里与你相遇。

Well, the first thing is, I encourage you not to look at life as I do, but to find your own direct connection with life, and I'll meet you there.

这一点非常重要，因为这不是要变得像其他人一样。

And and this is so important because it's not about being like anybody else.

我们从不自知之处开始承认。

We we start by admitting what we don't know.

我们以敞开心扉为起点。

We start by opening our heart.

有一种修行，就是‘承认’这个词。

And there's a practice, the word admit.

我特别喜欢这个词，因为它有双重含义。

And I love this because it has two meanings.

‘承认’既意味着宣告或坦白真相，也意味着允许进入。

Admit means to declare or confess what is true, but it also means to let in.

这两者是相辅相成的。

And these things work together.

我越是承认事实，就越能接纳更多。

The more that I admit what's true, the more I let in.

我接纳得越多，就越有能力承认事实。

The more I let in, the more I'm capable of admitting what's true.

所以我邀请人们从承认事实开始。

So I invite people to start by admitting what is true.

马克，你知道，我很喜欢你这么说，因为我经常说并坚信的一点是：要让生活变得更好，你只需要承认当前的生活状态或某些方面并不能让你真正快乐。

You know, Mark, I I love that you said that because one of the things that I believe and I say a lot is that all it takes to change your life for the better is to admit that how your life is right now or certain aspects of it doesn't make you particularly happy.

只要说出这个真相，就能为不同的可能性打开大门。

That just declaring that truth allows in a different possibility.

我记得在我的一首诗里——虽然没带在身边——有句话：当我们感到无力时，最有力的行动就是承认事实。

I think, you know, in one of my poems, I don't have it with me, but there's a line, you know, that the most powerful thing we can do when feeling powerless is admit what is true.

因为很多时候，我害怕孤独，但其实我已经孤独了。

Because so often, you know, I'm afraid of being lonely and I already am.

我害怕事情会改变。

I'm afraid things are gonna change.

但它们早已改变。

They've already changed.

往往心灵最先感知，而我们后知后觉。

And often the heart knows first and we play catch up.

正因如此——再次强调因为我们是人类——这显得尤为重要。

And so this is also why it's so important again because we're human.

所以我们讨论的许多关于受阻、挣扎等问题，我认为这些不是缺陷，而是我们成长旅程中的必经阶段。

And so a lot of the things we talk about about being blocked or being struggling and all these different I think of them not as deficiencies, but as developmental aspects of our journey.

你早上醒来后都做些什么？

What do you do when you wake up in the morning?

我是说，我醒来后，起床、整理床铺、刷牙、散步、阅读——你知道的，就是翻翻书页，很多个早晨都这样，让我感到踏实。

I mean, I wake up, I get out of bed, I make the bed, I brush my teeth, I go for a walk, I read a a, you know, page in your book, a lot of mornings, to anchor me.

但你早上第一件事做什么？

But what do you do first thing in the morning?

我做的第一件事，这开启了一个我很想稍微聊聊的美好话题。

So the first thing I do, and this opens up a wonderful thing I'd love to talk a little bit about.

我妻子苏珊是个夜猫子，而我是个早起的人，这实际上让我们在一天的两头都有独处的好时光。

So I'm up my wife, Susan, is kind of a night owl and I'm a morning person, which actually gives us kind of good alone time at either end of the day.

我们没有孩子，但有一只被宠坏了的黄色拉布拉多犬，叫祖祖。

And and we don't have kids, but a very spoiled yellow lab, Zuzu.

所以我的第一件事是做三个简单的仪式来开启新的一天。

And, so the first thing I do is I do three simple things as rituals to start the day.

我拉开窗帘让阳光照进来。

I open up the blinds to let light in.

我通过喂养祖祖来照顾一个生命。

I take care of something living by taking care of feeding Zuzu.

然后我会为我爱的人做件事。

And then I do something for someone I love.

我会在苏珊醒来前为她煮好咖啡。

I make coffee for Susan before she wakes.

所以我邀请正在观看或聆听的你们思考自己的简单仪式，因为当我全心投入这些仪式时，它们会改变一整天。

So I invite people who are lit you know, with us and watching or listening to think of your own simple rituals because when I inhabit them fully, they change the whole day.

这就引出了仪式与习惯之间的区别。

So this brings up the difference between ritual and habit.

当我全神贯注时，我是在让光照进来，照料有生命的事物，为我所爱之人付出。

So when I'm present to it, I'm letting the light in, caring for something living and doing something for someone I love.

这让我与河流中的意志重新对齐，让我在这一天保持和谐。

And that aligns me going back to the will in the river, that aligns me, for the day.

如果迟了，我就会想'糟了，得赶紧拉开窗帘，得喂狗'——虽然我爱你，但这已经变成了机械的习惯。

Now if I'm late, I go, oh no, I gotta open the damn blinds, I gotta feed the dog, I love you, but that just turned into a habit.

我刚有了重大突破。

I just had a huge breakthrough.

我意识到每天早晨有件事我一直在做，却从未发觉它也是晨间仪式的一部分。

I realized that there's something I do every morning that I didn't even realize was part of the morning.

具体来说，每当我睁眼时——尤其在家的时候——我会立刻望向窗外（因为我们从不拉窗帘），然后细细品味眼前的景色。

I literally, when I open my eyes, especially when we're home, I look right out the window and I because we don't close the blind and I savor what I see.

我从未想过这种扎根仪式能让人与更宏大的存在相连，而那些为安排日程做的事，则更像是'行动'而非'存在'。

And I had never thought about the grounding ritual that keeps you connected to something bigger rather than the things that I do that are part of the way I set up the day that do feel like the doing versus the being.

那么用你的话来说，仪式和习惯有什么区别？

So what is the difference between ritual and habit in your words?

比如，你有明确的定义吗？

Like, do you define that?

关键在于保持临在且心怀开放。

So it's being present and open hearted.

关于自我觉察——这就是自我觉察工作的绝佳例证。

So the thing about self awareness, and this is a good example of the work of self awareness.

我匆匆忙忙赶路，已经迟到了，哦，还得拉开那该死的窗帘。

So I'm rushing through, I'm late, oh, I gotta open the damn blinds.

但我可以停下来，回头说，我要活在当下，让这再次成为一种仪式。

But I can stop and go back and say, I'm gonna be present and make it a ritual again.

我们可以这样做到。

And we can do that like that.

这让我去寻找‘仪式’一词的起源，它源自梵语‘r t a’（artha），意为宇宙的隐秘秩序。

So it led me to look to find the origin of the word ritual, which goes back to a Sanskrit word r t a, artha, which means the hidden order of the universe.

因此，我们通过全神贯注和敞开心扉创造的仪式，能揭示宇宙的隐秘秩序。

So rituals that we make ritual by being present and open hearted reveal the hidden order of the universe.

这是任何人都能在一天中随时做到的事。

And it's something that anyone can do even in the middle of the day.

如果你意识到自己心不在焉，就停下来。

If you realize you're not present, stop.

好的。

Okay.

不要评判。

No judgment.

退一步。

Back up.

怀着开放的心去做简单的事。

Do the simple thing open heartedly.

你能给我们举几个仪式的例子吗？让听众能在生活中开始实践，从而触及这种力量。

Can you give us a couple examples of a ritual or a number of rituals that the person listening can start to implement in their life or start to practice in their life to be able to tap into this power.

是的。

Yeah.

所以，你要知道，无论是开始一天、结束一天，还是在一天当中，只需选择三件简单的小事。

So, you know, anything that you do either beginning the day, ending the day, or during the day, just just choose three simple simple things.

可以是给花浇水。

It may be watering the flowers.

敞开心扉感受水滋养花朵成长的过程，以及这在你内心映射出的成长。

Be open to the water feeding the flowers as they grow and what that mirrors in you that is growing.

对。

Yes.

或者，甚至只是帮别人捎带些东西。

Or, you know, even, you know, dropping something off for someone.

你正在为某人留一份餐食。

You're leaving a meal for someone.

任何能让你敞开心扉去真正体会其意义的事情。

Anything that you can open your heart to to take in what it really means.

它真正的意义。

What it really means.

因此这可能会变成，比如整理床铺。

And so and that become, you know, it could be, you know, it could be making the bed.

我有一首诗。

You know, I have a poem.

虽然没带在身上，但那首诗的第一部分写道：哦，我每天都必须整理床铺。

I don't have it with me, but it's a poem where the first part of the poem I go, oh, I gotta make the bed every day.

这有什么意义？

What's the point?

我还得付账单。

And I gotta pay the bills.

而我，你知道的，在诗里，朋友打来电话说，今天真是美好的一天。

And I, you know, and I and and and then in the poem, a friend calls up and says, you know, it's such a wonderful day.

我得整理床铺，还得付账单。

I get to make the bed and I get to pay the bills.

所以，这杯子既是半满也是半空。

And so the again, the glass is both half full and half empty.

作为人类，总会有觉得‘又得重来’的日子。

Being human, there will be days when we feel like I gotta do this again.

但保持心胸开阔、坦然承认并活在当下，我们就能重拾其中的奇迹。

But by staying open hearted and admitting and being present, we recover the miracle of it.

目标不是消除其中任何一种感受，因为我们是人类。

And the the goal is not to eliminate one or the other because we're human.

那么如何善待自己，承认‘是的，总会有让我觉得不想再坚持的日子’。

So how do we be kind to ourselves and go, yeah, there will be days that I'll feel like I don't believe I have to do this one more time.

但让生活自然展开，到了明天你会感叹‘天哪’

But let life unfold and tomorrow you say, oh my god,

我能整理床铺，醒来后望向窗外。

I get to make the bed and wake up and look out the window.

关于这点我还想说，多年前我总是先做繁琐的事，把真正重要的事留到最后。

And and one other thing I'd say about this for me, and I don't you know, so years ago, I would always do the tedious things first and save the the really sacred things when I got all that done.

没人教过我那样做。

Nobody taught me to do that way.

不知怎么的我就做到了。

Somehow I did that.

我搞反了。

I had it backwards.

先做重要的事，会改变一整天。

By doing what matters first, it changes the entire day.

为什么？

How?

因为我的视角、心灵和思维的广度深度都扩展了，任务也就不那么乏味了。

Because my lens, my aperture of heart and mind is wider and deeper and the tasks are not as tedious.

不是说乏味的事突然变得美妙，而是这种视角能缓解枯燥感。

Doesn't mean I enjoy you know, it's not like reframing that something tedious is suddenly wonderful, but it takes the edge off of all that.

我特别想聊聊你的新畅销书《第五季》，这本书讲的是人生后半程的创造力。

I really wanna get to your new best selling book, The Fifth Season, which is all about creativity in the second half of life.

你在书中优美地描述了如何有目标地老去。

And you write beautifully in this book about growing older with purpose.

能否分享下随着年龄增长，你对人生目标和创造力的领悟？

And I'd love to have you talk a little bit about what you've learned about purpose and creativity as you have gotten older Yeah.

那些你希望自己早就明白的事。

That you wish you had known a long time ago.

当然，我也明白你过去不可能知道这些，因为现在的认知都来自经历。

And look, I realize that you couldn't have known it a long time ago because you now know it based on your experience.

是啊。

Yeah.

随着年龄增长，我发现自己越来越常说：无论是什么事，比如'真希望五年前就知道这个'之类的，其实我们永远都正当时。

And one of the things I I find myself saying more often as I get older is whatever it is like, you know, I wish I'd known this five years ago or this that, is that we're always right on time.

尽管我们多么希望事情发生，但我们终究无法强求。

As much as we wanted it to happen, we we can't.

你要知道，我现在写的东西，二十年前、三十年前是写不出来的，因为那时我还没经历过这些。

You can't you know, the things that I'm writing now, I couldn't have written twenty years ago, thirty years ago because I hadn't experienced what I've experienced.

所以我在书开头用了一个对我影响深远的比喻——流星的隐喻。

So, you know, I start the book with a a metaphor that has been such a teacher for me, and it's the metaphor of a meteor.

当流星进入大气层时，真正能落到地球上的寥寥无几。

Now as a meteor comes into the atmosphere, very few land on earth.

大多数都会燃烧殆尽。

Most of them are burned up.

流星进入大气层后开始剥落，变得越来越亮，直到最后只剩光芒。

So what happens is a meteor comes into the atmosphere and as it starts to flake off as it gets brighter and brighter until there's nothing left but light.

我认为这恰似灵魂寄居肉体，在世间经历一生的旅程隐喻。

I think this is a good metaphor for the journey of a spirit in a body in time on earth over a lifetime.

对吧。

Right.

要知道，我们都不喜欢这种剥落的过程。

Now, you know we don't like the flaking off.

我的背部手术就是这种剥落。

Know my back surgery was flaking off.

你知道我开始感觉到的关节炎正在逐渐消退。

You know the arthritis I'm starting to feel is a flaking off.

但我正变得越来越明亮。

But I am getting brighter and brighter.

而且我让那穿透我的光芒成为我的老师。

And and I'm letting that light that's coming through me be my teacher.

所以我认为，发生的另一件事是我们的视野会改变。

So I think and so one of the things that happens too is I think our horizons shift.

你知道，我74岁了。

You know, I'm 74.

我真心希望能活到100岁。

I sure hope I live to be 100.

我的曾祖母活到了105岁，祖母94岁，所以你知道，我抱有希望。

You know, my grand great grandmother lived to be 105, and my grandmother 94, so, you know, I'm hoping.

但无论如何，剩下的岁月已不如过去多。

But regardless, there's more years behind than ahead.

因此视野会转变，你知道，展望未来或回顾过去的真正目的是让我此刻的光芒更明亮。

And so the horizon shifts in that the, you know, the true purpose of looking forward or back is to make my light brighter now.

这就引出了记忆的真正意义。

So this brings in the true purpose of memory.

记忆不是怀旧。

Memory is not nostalgia.

怀旧是想要回到过去生活，因为感觉那时比现在更好。

Nostalgia is wanting to go back and live in a time because it feels like that was better than now.

我发现记忆的真正意义在于：如果过去曾有让我感受到生命力、惊奇、馈赠或爱的时刻，我能否重新体验它，以回忆那种感受，并探寻它如今在我心中的位置？

The true purpose of memory I'm finding is if there was a time in my past where I felt a certain aliveness or a wonder or a gift or love, can I revisit that to remember what it feels like to trace and see where it is in me now?

这样我就能在当下找回它，而非回到过去。

So I can recover it now, not go go back to then.

在人生的这个阶段，梦境亦是如此。

And the same thing with dreams at this stage of life.

如果我梦见未来，那是因为我正让内心渴望诞生的部分得以释放。

If I'm dreaming forward, it's because I'm allowing something in me that wants to be born to come out.

我该如何接纳它，并发现它现在在我心中的位置？

And how do I take that and see where it lives in me now?

事实上这是我晚年才领悟的道理。

So actually I'm learning this later in life.

无论年龄几何，这都是极其有益的修行。

It's actually very helpful practice no matter what age you are.

如果要说一个您希望听众带走的核心信息——在接收了您今天馈赠的智慧与分享之后，您希望人们从这场对话中铭记什么？

If there's kind of one message that you hope someone carries with them after being here with us and really taking in the gifts that you've given us today, the things that you've shared with us, what do you hope the person carries away from this conversation?

嗯...就是我们彼此相连而非孤立，我们需要彼此。

Well well that that we are more together than alone and that we need each other.

我还想...或许想用一首诗分享两个关于信仰的观点。

And I would also, you know, I would wanna wanna share maybe two notions about faith in a in a poem.

当然。

Sure.

关于信仰的观点，其一是佛教用语'信'（sadha）。

And the notions about faith, one one is the Buddhist word for faith is sadha.

这意味着，我非常喜欢这个表达，它意味着让心灵安驻于真实之中。

And it means, and I love this expression, it means resting the heart in what is true.

让心灵安驻于真实之中。

Resting the heart in what is true.

我认为这是对信仰的内在定义——不是对教条、传统、圣徒或先知的信仰，而是功能性信仰。

And I think that's an inner definition of not faith in a doctrine or a tradition or a saint or a sage, but functional faith.

我们讨论的所有内容：开放、接纳、敞开心扉，仪式与习惯的区别，勇气与臣服，这些都是让心灵安驻于真实的方法。

And all the things we've been talking about, opening, admitting, opening our heart, you know, ritual versus habit, all of these things, courage, surrender, there are ways to rest the heart in what is true.

这让我们能坚守自己的核心。

And that lets us stand by our core.

而外在的信仰意义，即功能性信仰，我引用新教神学家保罗·田立克的话：'信仰是一种终极关怀的行为'。

And the outer sense of faith, functional faith, is I refer to Paul Tillich who was a Protestant theologian and he said, faith is an act of ultimate concern.

我深以为然。

I love that.

这两点最打动我的是：通过让心灵安驻于真实，内心的光芒将通过双手照亮世界。

So what I love about both of those is by resting our heart in what is true, What's in the heart comes out through the hands in the world.

那么我们该如何实践：个人层面让心灵安驻于真实，并将自己奉献给终极关怀的行为？

So how do we practice personally resting our heart in what is true and giving ourselves to acts of ultimate concern?

我认为这是两个值得毕生投入的美好修行。

And I think those are two wonderful practices to devote ourselves to.

最后我想用我的一首诗《自由坠落》作为结束。

So the poem I'd love to end with is one of my poems called Free Fall.

若你只剩一小时空气却要熬过漫长时光，你必须缓慢呼吸。

If you have one hour of air and many hours to go, you must breathe slowly.

若你有一臂之长且肩负诸多责任，必须慷慨付出。

If you have one arm's length and many things to care for, you must give freely.

若你有认识上帝的机会却心存疑虑，必须让心灵燃烧。

If you have one chance to know God and many doubts, you must set your heart on fire.

我们是受祝福的。

We are blessed.

每一天都是机会。

Each day is a chance.

我们拥有双臂。

We have two arms.

恐惧只会浪费呼吸。

Fear wastes air.

马克·纳波，你的临别赠言是什么？

Mark Napo, what are your parting words?

你

You

要知道，我的临别赠言是：若我们能在此刻此地真正相遇并直面自我，生活将超越我们所能梦想的一切。

know, my my parting words is that life is more than anything we could dream of if we truly meet each other and meet ourselves right here, right now.

我想感谢你教会我如何做到这点。

Well, I wanna thank you for teaching me how to do that.

我还要感谢你乘飞机来到我们波士顿的演播室，分享你所有的见解。

And I wanna thank you for getting on a plane and coming here to our studios in Boston and sharing everything that you did.

终于与你相见，实在是莫大的荣幸。

It has been a real honor to finally meet you.

我无比激动地看到积极变化与觉醒的涟漪将以我们永远无法知晓的方式传遍世界，这一切都源于今天正在聆听的你，将这份体验分享给你深爱的人们。

And I am so excited by the ripple of positive change and consciousness that will spread around the world in ways that we will never know because of the person that is listening today who shares this experience with people that they deeply care about.

所以我要感谢你。

So I wanna thank you.

噢，谢谢你。

Oh, thank you.

我发自内心地感谢你，因为你给我的生活带来了巨大改变，我要感谢你。

From the bottom of my heart for making a huge difference in my life, I wanna thank you.

克里斯，我爱你。

Chris, I love you.

谢谢你的到来。

Thank you for being here.

我也爱你。

I love you too.

我还要感谢你选择花时间聆听这些可能打开你心扉、改变你生命的内容。

And I wanna thank you for choosing to spend time listening to something that could open up your heart and change your life.

作为你的朋友，我想确保告诉你——如果今天没有别人对你说——我爱你，我相信你，也相信你有能力创造更美好的生活。

And as your friend, I wanted to be sure to tell you in case nobody else does today that I love you, and I believe in you and your ability to create a better life.

向生命本身的魔力敞开心扉，这必将帮助你创造更好的生活，这是我真心希望你能拥有的。

And opening yourself up to the magic of life itself, that's certainly gonna help you create a better life, and I really want that for you.

这就是我要说的全部了，因为我觉得我该去哭一会儿或者读一段马克·尼波的文字了。

So that's all I gotta say because I think I gotta go cry or read a Marc Nippo passage.

但我会在下一期节目里等你。

But I'll be waiting for you in the next episode.

当你按下播放键的那一刻，我会在那里迎接你。

I'll be there to welcome you in the moment you hit play.

我们那里见。

I'll see you there.

我不想去，但我得赶紧去趟洗手间。

I don't wanna but I gonna go run to the bathroom.

我愿意。

I do.

好的。

Okay.

这就是我们我们在精神河流流动的能量中相连相连。

That's we're we're connected connected in in the the spiritual river running energy.

好吧。

Alright.

很好。

Good.

是的。

Yes.

我们都要去小便。

We all have to pee.

好的。

Okay.

反正我要去。

I do anyway.

天啊，我怎么已经哭了？

Oh my why am I already crying?

该死的，克里斯。

Damn it, Chris.

你是在克里斯那边摘花吗？

Are you plucking over at Chris?

那是我的

That's my

脸，因为我看到他被你说的每句话都感动得眼眶湿润。

face because I see him welling up over every word that you say.

还是说，比如，不，我什么？

Or that, like, nar I what?

不，如果我不能说话，特蕾丝，比如，这其实是一朵花。

Nar if I can't I talk, Trace, like, this is a this is actually a flower.

水仙花。

Narcissus.

水仙花。

Narcissus.

为什么我能...哦，天啊？

Why can I oh, boy?

等等。

Wait.

那是

Is that

在外面。

It's outside.

哦，在外面吗？

Oh, it's outside?

天啊。

Oh my god.

听起来像是在左边隔壁。

It sounds like it's next door on the left.

哇。

Wow.

好吧，谢谢你们俩。

Well, thank you both.

能和你们一起深入探讨真是太棒了。

This has been so wonderful to be in such a deep space with you both.

克里斯，别肤浅。

Chris, don't do shallow.

我尽量，但克里斯总是把我拖进深水区

I try, but Chris always drags me into the deep

一起

end with

用他那些该死的问题、他的倾听和他敞开的心扉。

his damn questions and his listening and his open heart.

好吧。

Alright.

太好了。

Great.

哦，还有一件事。

Oh, and one more thing.

不行。

And no.

这不是失误。

This is not a blooper.

这是法律条文。

This is the legal language.

你知道的，就是律师写的那些我需要念给你听的内容。

You know, what the lawyers write and what I need to read to you.

本播客仅供教育和娱乐目的。

This podcast is presented solely for educational and entertainment purposes.

我只是你的朋友。

I'm just your friend.