015 Evan Jarvis – The Mindset Advantage Podcast

欢迎来到《思维优势》播客，我是博士。

Welcome to the Mindset Advantage podcast with Doctor.

我是特丽西娅·卡迪纳和埃利奥特·罗。

Tricia Cardiner and Elliot Rowe.

这周我们将与埃文·贾维斯（也就是Gripsed）聊聊他对扑克心态的看法，以及他认为要想在世界扑克系列赛中取得最佳成绩需要做些什么。

This week we are going to be talking to Evan Jarvis also known as Gripsed about his thoughts on poker mindset and what he feels you need to do to have the best possible world series of poker.

那么，特丽西娅，这周你有什么心理学方面的新闻要分享吗？

So Tricia, what psychology news do you have for us this week?

好吧，我跟你说说。

Well, I'll tell you what.

我最近看到一点研究，是关于心理韧性的，你知道这可是我特别喜欢的扑克话题。

I came across a little bit of a study and it had to do with mental toughness, which as you know is one of my favorite topics around poker.

这项研究探讨的问题是，参与过体育运动的人和从没参与过体育运动的人，在心理韧性方面有没有区别。

And the question that was looked at in this study was, is there a difference between people who had participated in athletics versus people who had never participated in athletics in terms of their mental toughness.

特别有意思的是，这两组人——运动员和非运动员——都把心理韧性看作希望、乐观、抗压能力和毅力这些东西。

And what was really interesting is the two groups of people, the athletes versus the non athletes, they saw mental toughness as things like hope, optimism, resilience, perseverance.

这些都是一回事。

That was all the same.

但他们发现，有运动经历的人心理韧性是没运动经历的人的五倍。

But what they found was is that people who had athletic experience had five times more mental toughness than non athletes.

哇，那他们是怎么评估心理韧性的呢？

Wow, and how did they judge the mental toughness level?

是通过他们的行为表现来判断的吗？

Is that the way they behave or?

当然是通过问卷调查，但这种做法总有问题，毕竟填问卷和真正身处一场高压的扑克局里，完全是两码事，对吧？

Well, was through questionnaire of course, and so there were always some issues with that because you know completing a questionnaire is not the same thing as actually being in the middle of a stressful poker game, right?

打比赛也是一样。

Or athletic competition as it were.

所以别忘了，这属于相关性数据，但我还是觉得，这个效应可能没那么大，也可能更大。

So keep that in mind, is correlational data, but I still think that maybe the effect size is not that large or maybe it could even be larger.

这得看以后有没有更严谨的研究出来。

I don't know depending on you know if better research was done coming down the pike.

但参与体育运动确实是有价值的。

But it does seem like there is value in participating in athletics.

所以即使你以前没怎么运动，现在开始做点什么，也可能提升心理韧性。

So even if you hadn't been athletic before maybe doing something now could increase mental toughness.

就拿耐力来说，还有像跑完马拉松这种需要坚持到底的心理素质，肯定是能练出来的，对吧？

I mean certainly in terms of stamina and just with the mental toughness to finish something like a marathon, it's certainly something that's going to be built, isn't it?

跑步的时候，你肯定得逼自己冲过那些心理障碍。

As you run around the course, you're going to certainly have push yourself through those barriers.

这确实很有道理。

It definitely makes sense.

对，大家都赶紧穿上跑鞋出去运动吧。

Yeah, so get out there and get your running shoes on everybody.

这周我们邀请的是埃文·贾维斯，网上大家都叫他 Gripsed。

So this week we're talking to Evan Jarvis, as known as Gripsed online.

他有一个 Twitch 频道和一个 YouTube 频道。

He has a Twitch channel, YouTube channel.

他组建了一支扑克玩家团队，目的是让扑克生活更积极向上，推动进步，保持清晰的思维，同时注重身体健康，今天他会跟我们详细分享他的很多理念。

And he's put together a team of poker players with this idea of having a much more positive poker life and moving things forward, having a clear mindset, being physically fit and he's going to talk us through a lot of his concepts today.

那我们现在就给埃文打个电话。

So we'll give Evan a call.

埃文，谢谢你来参加我们的节目。

So, thanks, Evan, coming onto the show.

你能先向我们的听众简单介绍一下自己吗？

If you could just introduce yourself to our listeners.

是的。

Yeah.

非常感谢你们邀请我，埃利奥特和帕特里夏。

Thank you so much for having me, Elliot and Patricia.

我叫埃文·贾维斯。

My name is Evan Jarvis.

我是gripsed.com的创始人，也是YouTube上最大免费扑克教学频道的主讲人。

I am the founder of gripsed.com and the lead instructor at the largest free poker training channel on YouTube.

我曾经职业打牌大约十年。

I played professionally for about ten years.

现在我转为兼职打牌，因为我更想专注于事业，觉得从扑克中已经收获得够多了。

And now I've made the transition to more part time play because I prefer to focus on business as I feel I've gotten more than my fair share from the game of poker.

它给了我很多难忘的经历，也让我结识了许多了不起的人。

It's given me a lot of amazing experiences, introduced me to a lot of incredible people.

我希望帮助更多人获得同样的自由和体验。

And I want to enable and empower others to be able to enjoy the same freedoms.

所以我现在主要是全职教学，偶尔打打牌。

So that's why I'm now kind of a full time teacher and part time poker player.

太棒了。

Awesome.

您能说说吗？哦，抱歉，埃利奥特。

Can you Oh, I'm sorry, Elliot.

你继续。

Carry on.

我正想问你，你觉得一个人从不错提升到顶尖，最好的方法是什么？

I was just going to ask you what you think is the best way for someone to go from good to great?

从不错到顶尖？

From good to great.

我们先假设这个人已经对游戏有了相当扎实的基本理解。

So we're assuming that someone already has like a pretty solid fundamental understanding of the game.

我认为，从不错提升到顶尖，最重要的一点就是提升表现力、专注力和注意力。

Well, I think one of the most important things that one can focus on to go from good to great is improving their performance, improving their focus, and just improving their attention.

要养成顶尖运动员和顶尖心理游戏玩家那些成功习惯，并把这些习惯融入日常生活，让自己的思维模式逐渐接近那些冠军，从而达到他们的水平。

So developing winning habits that the best athletes have, the best mental gamers have, and adding those habits into their regular daily lives so that they become kind of the same mental build as those champions and can perform on those levels.

因为我觉得，当你想从不错跃升到顶尖，再到卓越时，最难的是在压力之下、在条件不理想的时候，依然能发挥出最佳状态。

Because I think the hardest thing when you're really trying to go from good to great and then to excellent is being able to still perform at your best when the pressure is on and when everything's not perfect.

毕竟，当一切顺利的时候，谁都能打出自己的最佳水平。

Because we can all play our A game when everything's going well.

睡了个好觉，状态也很好。

We've had a good night's sleep.

肚子填饱了，吃得很舒服。

We've got some good food in our belly.

该做的事都处理完了。

All of our tasks and responsibilities have been taken care of.

周围一片安静。

And everything's quiet around us.

但上了牌桌，尤其是 stakes 高起来的时候，可没这么轻松。

But that's not always going to be how it is when you're playing at the table, especially when stakes get big.

你得随时准备好应对高压时刻。

You've got to be ready for those high pressure moments.

所以，培养那些制胜的习惯，让自己在任何情况下都能发挥出最佳水平，这才是最重要的。

So preparing to deal with pressure by developing those winning habits so you can perform at your peak in any circumstances is what I think is most important.

接下来第二重要的事，或者说是帮你达成这一步的关键，就是多和赢家待在一起。

And the next most important thing or something that's very useful to enable you to get to that place is to surround yourself with winners.

我说的赢家，是指那些认真对待游戏和生活、尊重自己、主动提升、积极改变的人。

What I mean by winners is people who take the game and their lives seriously, who respect themselves, who do the things they can to improve themselves and make the good changes.

让你周围充满这种影响，这样你做事的自然方式就会是不断进步、开放包容、充满热情——这些正是赢家真正具备、而输家却往往缺乏的品质。

And just get kind of that influence around you so that your natural way of going about things is one of constant improvement, openness, enthusiasm, and all those qualities that winners really embody that losers, on the other hand, don't really embody.

这样你就能身处拥有健康习惯的人中间，这些好习惯也会潜移默化地影响到你。

And that way, you can be surrounded by people with healthy habits, so those healthy habits will rub off onto you.

而且你确实能培养出赢家的心态，这会带来出色的表现和强大的自信，还会引发一种惊人的连锁正向效应。

And yeah, you can get that real winner's mindset, which will lead to great performance, great confidence, and there's a wondrous amount of snowballing effect that comes with that.

非常好。

Excellent.

说到这种赢家的生活方式和赢家效应，你在自己的职业生涯中有没有建立起这样的氛围？

And just thinking about that sort of that winners lifestyle, that wins effect, is that something you've been able to build in your career?

有，几年前我才真正意识到这一点极其重要。

Yeah, it's something that a couple of years ago I realized was really, really important.

因为一旦到了某个年纪，我觉得大概25岁左右，我们就不再像刚入行时那样拥有无穷的精力、热情和动力了——那时候我们满心兴奋，毫无负担，一切都轻而易举。

Because once we hit a certain age, I think it's about 25, we don't have that kind of unlimited reserve of energy and enthusiasm and passion that we get when we're first getting into the game, when we're super excited, we have no responsibilities, everything's pretty easy.

那时候我们只需要不停地玩、玩、玩。

We can just play, play, play.

但随着生活逐渐展开，其他责任也接踵而至，健康变得需要更多关注，必须提上优先级。

Then as life starts to happen, other responsibilities start to happen, health becomes something you got to pay more attention to, it becomes something that needs to be prioritized.

所以我一直在研究这方面的内容，了解营养和运动真正的益处，不只是知道它们重要，更懂得如何正确去做，既能获得效果，又不会过头。

So I've been doing my research on that, learning the real benefits of nutrition and exercise, and not just the importance of doing them, but the right way to go about doing them so as to get the benefits without overdoing it.

因为任何事都一样，运动太多、吃太多、性生活太多、和朋友相处太久、玩得太久，都可能过量。

Because like anything, you can have too much exercise, too much food, too much sex, too much time with your friends, too much time playing.

很容易就做过了头，沉溺于那些让人舒服的事，因为它们太吸引人，容易让人上瘾，不知不觉就失控了。

It's very easy to do too much and to really overindulge in things because the things that feel good, we really like and we get really addicted to and carried away with them.

所以我花了很多时间研究怎么做才对、每样该做多少、顺序该怎么安排，才能最大化收益。

So I've spent a lot of time learning the right way to do these things and the right amount of each one to do and the order in which to do them in so as to get the best benefits.

到目前为止，我觉得自己做得还不错。

And so far, I feel like I am doing pretty well.

越深入，我就越发现还有更多可以融入的生活方式。

And the more I get into it, the more I learn in terms of other things that I can incorporate.

确实，进展挺顺利的。

And yeah, it's going pretty well.

自从我开始重视这些之后，我的表现明显提升了。

My results have improved since I got into that.

我对这项运动的热情也重新回来了。

And my passion for the game has come back.

我重新找回了学习和钻研的动力。

My excitement to learn and to study has come back.

自从我把健康和心态列为重点后，我对一切都感觉好多了。

And I just feel so much better about everything since I made health and my attitude my priority.

我想接着问你一个问题，因为这个节目播出时，正好是世界扑克系列赛最紧张的阶段。

Let me follow this up by asking you because as this episode airs, we're going to be right in the thick of the World Series of Poker.

你是怎么用这些方法来准备世界扑克系列赛的？

How do you prepare for something like the World Series of Poker using all these techniques?

对我来说，第一步是选出对我最重要的比赛。

So for me, the first thing I do is I choose the events that is the most important for me.

然后我会围绕这场赛事的表现来安排所有其他事情。

And I kind of make all my actions based around my performance in that event.

我楼下有一张纸，是大概八周前写下的。

I actually have a sheet of paper downstairs that I wrote out about probably eight weeks ago.

上面写着：埃文，距离扑克世界系列赛还有十周，距离主赛事还有十四周。

That said, okay, Evan, it's ten weeks till the World Series of Poker and fourteen weeks till the main event.

从现在开始，你做的每一个决定，都要以最大化你进入WSOP主赛事决赛桌的机会为前提。

Every decision you take from here on in is made with the interest of you having the best chance of making the final table of the WSOP main event.

因为自从我知道这个比赛以来，它就是我最在意的赛事。

Because that's the tournament I care about the most ever since I found out about it.

我一直特别喜欢这个比赛。

I've loved that tournament.

2012年的时候，我就开始不停地想：扑克世界系列赛主赛事，扑克世界系列赛主赛事，扑克世界系列赛主赛事。

And in 2012, just started thinking World Series main event, World Series main event, World Series main event.

所以我全心专注于它。

So I focus on it.

当然，我脑子里经常想着它。

Obviously, I think about it a lot.

我会试着想象那会是什么样子。

I try to visualize what it would be like.

我会想象自己坐在牌桌旁，面对不同的对手，看着各不相同的筹码堆。

I visualize being at the table, the different opponents, the different chip stacks.

我喜欢反复回看往年的比赛录像，让一切显得更真实。

I like to rewatch a lot of the footage from old years past so that it can be a lot more real.

这样我就能模拟出那种感觉。

So I can kind of simulate it.

我希望每天都能这么做，每天都能看到那张纸，让我的晨间优先事项都围绕着它展开。

And that's something that I want to do every single day and have that reminder, that sheet there every single day so that my priorities when I wake up in the morning are based around that.

它提醒我，这才是真正重要的事。

I get the reminder that this is what is important.

在那张纸上，我列出了从写完到去拉斯维加斯之前想读的书。

So on that sheet, I had the list of books that I wanted to read between when I wrote it and before I went to Vegas.

我还列出了想看的视频。

I had the list of videos that I wanted to watch.

我当时还列了一份清单，写明了那段时期最需要维护的人际关系。

I had a list of the most important relationships to be maintaining during that time.

我还具体写了该找谁咨询营养、健身、心理、学习和理论方面的建议，诸如此类的事。

And I also wrote out like who to go to for nutrition advice, fitness advice, mental advice, study advice, theory advice, stuff like that.

我把所有事情都排了优先级，确保每天的行动都是围绕赛事表现的核心要务展开的。

So I prioritized everything so that the actions I would be taking each day were kind of my highest value activities when it came to performance in the events, when it came around.

我那张清单上还列出了自己的恐惧和顾虑：如果我把全部精力都押在主赛事上，生活中哪些方面会因此受损？

Another thing that I have on that sheet is a listing of my fears and concerns of saying, if I go all in on the main event and all my focus is on the main event, what other areas of my life are going to suffer because of this?

人际关系会得不到应有的陪伴时间。

Relationships won't get as much time as they deserve.

其他工作事项也可能被挤占了应有的投入。

Maybe other work activities won't get as much time as they deserve.

一些重要的事难免会被忽略一点。

Maybe some of the important things will get ignored a little bit.

我就问自己：这十周，我能接受这样的代价吗？

I'm like, am I okay with that for this ten week period?

因为这一点非常值得留意。

Because that's something to be very important to be aware of.

另外我还担心，就算我全力以赴，最后可能还是达不到预期的效果。

Another thing that came up there was, maybe I'm a little concerned that I'm gonna put it all in, and I'm still not gonna get the results that I wanted.

但把这些写下来之后，我就意识到：好吧，这确实是个顾虑。

But by writing that down, I'm like, okay, that's a concern.

我能接受这一点。

I'm okay with that.

这样我就能有针对性地去应对了。

And then that's something I can work with.

这成了我每天早上冥想时的提醒内容。

So that's like my daily reminder that I meditate on every day, every morning.

至于具体的准备工作。

And then in terms of the actual preparation.

我之前提到过几本书，它们帮助我优化了策略。

So I mentioned there a few books that I read to fine tune my strategy.

我最近看了不少视频，用来提升自己在锦标赛中的表现。

There have been some videos I have been watching to improve my tournament game.

我要特别感谢亚历克斯·菲茨杰拉德，他是我过去十年里找到的最出色的锦标赛扑克教练。

I want to give some credit to Alex Fitzgerald, who is by far the best tournament poker teacher that I found in the last ten years.

他的教学真的非常出色。

His work is absolutely incredible.

我平时也做很多锻炼，但不会过度。

And I do a lot of exercising, but not too much.

我主要做有氧训练，因为在我看来，世界系列赛就像一场马拉松。

I do a lot of cardio training because to me, these World Series events are much like a marathon.

谁能坚持到比赛后期，八小时、十小时后还能保持最佳状态，谁才有最大的机会在比赛中脱颖而出。

So whoever has the stamina to get through the day and play their A game when you know it's eight hours into the session, ten hours into the session, is going to be the person who has the best chance to really succeed in the tournament.

因为真正关键的时候，就是最后那段紧要关头，当别人都撑不住了，你才需要拿出最好的状态。

Because that's when you need to be playing your best, is that crunch time at the end where everyone else is fading.

你得是那个始终保持清醒的人。

You wanna be the person who's sharp.

所以有氧训练非常重要。

So cardio training is very important.

有氧训练还有个好处，就是让你习惯在心率很高的情况下还能正常发挥。

And cardio training is also very beneficial because it gets you used to performing and still functioning when your heart rate is very high.

这样一来，打牌时如果有人把你逼到一个很紧张的境地，你心跳加速，也不会脑子一片空白，只靠本能反应，而是还能保持一点理性思考，因为你身体已经适应了这种高心率状态，而不是像第一次经历那样，慌得不知所措。

So that way, when you're playing a session, if someone puts you in an uncomfortable spot and your heart rate just starts pounding, well, instead of your brain shutting down and you just acting with the reptilian or animal or instinctual brain, whatever you want to call it, you can still think a little bit logically because your body's used to being in that elevated heart rate zone as opposed to being like, woah, I've never been here before.

这真的让人很不舒服。

This is really uncomfortable.

我都不知道该怎么办了。

I don't know what to do.

我可能会做出些傻事。

I'm going to do something silly.

但我们已经为这种情况做了准备。

So we got the training for that.

我经常练瑜伽，为了保持专注、稳定和冷静。

I do lots of yoga to stay centered, to stay grounded, to stay calm.

我还会做很多拉伸，让身体保持柔韧、放松、流畅。

I also do lots of stretching so that my body will be flexible and loose and free flowing.

我觉得身体放松流畅了，思维也会跟着变得顺畅自然。

And I think that a free flowing loose body also leads to fluid free flowing thoughts.

这样能激发更多创意，让人跳出固有思维，我觉得这对比赛特别重要。

So it opens up a lot of stuff for creativity and thinking outside the box, which I think is very important to tournament play.

我也会研究学生的牌局记录，看看别人是怎么赢得比赛的，从中总结出赢牌的关键。

I also review my students' hand histories so that I can watch how other people won tournaments so that I can be like, okay, this is what's required to win a tournament.

我一直在做各种事情，目标就一个：赢，赢，赢。

So I'm always doing things in the interest of like winning, winning, winning.

但讽刺的是，我练得最少的反而是打扑克。

And ironically, the thing that I do the least is play poker.

因为我已经打了十年，经验足够了，对游戏的节奏也完全熟悉了。

Because I feel that having played for ten years, I've already got enough experience and that I'm comfortable with how the game kind of flows.

而且现场扑克和在线扑克完全是两回事。

And that live poker and online poker is very different.

所以我觉得在网上同时开很多桌牌，对准备线下锦标赛帮助不大。

So I don't think mass tabling online poker is gonna help me get ready for a live tournament all that much.

因此我最近打的牌非常少。

So I've been playing very little.

不过，随着世界系列赛临近，我会逐步增加打牌的频率。

That being said, I do taper my training such that I'm playing more and more poker as I get closer to the World Series.

这样到比赛时状态才能完全调整到最佳。

So it'll all be sharp.

年初的时候，主要是打基础。

But the start of the year, it's like set the groundwork.

然后才会想，有哪些地方需要改进？

Then it's like, okay, what do we need to fix?

大概就是饮食和营养方面得调整。

Okay, probably some diet and nutrition.

接着再安排有氧训练。

Okay, then we get the cardio training in.

一个月前，我就开始减少有氧训练，增加扑克训练的强度。

A month before, then it's like slow down on the cardio training, ramp up the poker training.

比赛前一周，我会和家人去度假，彻底放下工作，好好放松，恢复精力。

And then right before the series, I'm actually taking a week long vacation with my family to just completely unplug, completely relax and recharge the system.

就像我之前说的，这是一场马拉松。

Because like I said before, these things are a marathon.

你需要大量的体力和精力。

You need a lot of energy.

如果我在世锦赛前一直埋头打牌、打牌、打牌，很可能到真正比赛时，反而没足够的精力去应对更长时间的对局。

And if all I've been doing leading up to the World Series is playing poker, playing poker, playing poker, there is a decent chance that I might not have enough energy as required to then play even more poker.

所以我特别注重放松、冥想、小睡、慢走，还有各种恢复身心的活动，比如SPA、按摩，或者和那些能让你心情变好的人待在一起。

So I do a lot of relaxing, meditation, just taking naps, going for slow walks, a lot of rejuvenating activities, things like the spa, things like massages, things like hanging out with good people that just bring you up and make you feel better.

我会尽量多做这些事，让自己保持开心、状态良好，也保持动力去完成当初设定的目标。

I try to focus on doing a lot of those things to keep myself happy, to keep myself feeling good, and to keep myself motivated to go ahead and take care of that task that I set out before.

我觉得这特别重要，因为如果一味死磕、死磕、死磕，最后跟自己的目标脱节了，或者光是打牌就累垮了，我可能会想：这到底值不值得？

And I think this is really important because if all I'm doing is grinding, grinding, grinding, and I get disconnected from my goal or I just get tired from all the play, I'm gonna say, is it even worth it?

如果要付出这么多，我真有那么想要吗？

Like, do I even really want it that bad if this is what it takes?

所以我选择一种更平衡的方式，全程都能享受这个过程，这样就更容易对自己说：没错，这就是我要的目标。

So by taking a more balanced approach where I can kind of enjoy the journey the whole way along, it makes it much easier to be like, yeah, that is the goal.

我们就是要奔着这个去的。

That's what we're gonna go for.

这正是我们想要的。

That's what we want.

所以我们才做这些其他的事情。

And that's why we're doing all these other activities.

不过话说回来，这些其他活动本身也很有趣。

But hey, all these other activities are fun.

就算最后没成功，我也无所谓，毕竟这一路准备和热身中，我已经收获了这么多美好的东西。

So like, even if it doesn't work out, I don't care because look at all this great stuff that's happened from this preparation, this warm up.

这就是我对待世界系列赛和主赛事的态度。

And that's why I take this approach towards the World Series and towards the main event.

我觉得真没几个人会这么想。

And I think it's actually rare for someone to take that approach.

大多数人就是一味地玩、玩、玩。

Most people are like play, play, play.

我倒想起Poker Road的那个系列视频，他们跟拍了菲尔·艾维和巴里·格林斯坦。

And I actually think back to Poker Road's video series where they followed Phil Ivey, him and Barry Greenstein.

那时候还没到十一月九号，菲尔就在家里来回跑步。

And it was before the November 9, and Phil was just doing laps in his house.

他不停地在屋里慢跑。

He was jogging back and forth.

巴里看着镜头说：这人真让人摸不着头脑。

And Barry just looks at the camera and he's like, yeah, this guy, man, I don't know.

其他人都在做模拟训练、打牌、请教练。

All the other guys are like doing simulations and playing hands and getting coaches.

你知道顶尖高手是怎么准备的吗？

You know how the best in the world prepares?

他去慢跑。

He goes jogging.

他就是用这种方式为大赛决赛桌做准备。

That's how he prepares for the main event final table.

我觉得这说明了一个道理：我们得关注那些大多数人忽略的事，因为他们太沉迷于策略、策略、策略了。

And I think it says a lot that we need to focus on the things that a lot of people ignore because they get too caught up on the strategy, the strategy, the strategy.

我对策略当然了如指掌。

I got to know the strategy cold.

但不管你对策略多熟，要是你打到一半就累垮了，那些学过的招式也使不出来。

Doesn't matter how well you know the strategy, if you are going to get tired halfway through the day and you can't use those moves that you learned.

所以我特别注重保持充沛的精力，做那些能提升自信、点燃热情、增强体力的事，因为这才是真正实现梦想的方式——打主赛事。

So I really focus on trying to have as much energy as I can and doing things that are going to build my confidence and my excitement and my passion and my energy levels for living the dream, which is playing the main event.

这简直和我们过去几周在节目里聊的内容一模一样。

I mean, this is so close to what we've been talking about for the last few weeks on the show.

之前我们讨论过的那些话题，现在就活生生体现在这个人身上了——真正配得上赢得世界系列赛的人。

So all of those times we've discussed it, this is the sort of personification of what we're discussing about in terms of deserving to be successful in the World Series.

你知道吗，外面还有不少人也在做这样的准备和努力。

You know, other guys out there are doing this sort of preparation, this sort of work.

所以要想真正有竞争力，你得自己也去试试这些方法。

So really to be competitive, you need to be looking at doing these things yourself.

当然，像这样事事都做到极致，算是比较极端的例子了。

Now, that's obviously a pretty extreme example in terms of doing everything so perfectly in that way.

是什么促使你做出这么大的人生转变呢？

Was there something that led you to make a big shift in your life like this?

有没有那么一个瞬间，让你觉得扑克生涯必须改变了，然后你就一头扎进了这种全新的生活方式？

Was there like a moment where you thought something has to change in my poker and then you really jumped feet first into this sort of new lifestyle?

是的。

Yeah.

那是2011年的事了，我当时正琢磨着未来该往哪个方向走。

So back in 2011, I was kind of trying to figure out what I wanted to do.

那时候我主要在线上打现金牌，顺便做点推广业务。

I playing Mistakes Cash online and doing a little affiliate work on the side.

进展还不错，但总觉得没达到顶尖水平。

Were going good, but I didn't feel like they were going excellent.

就是感觉不到，啊，这就是我要的了。

Like I didn't feel like, oh, this is it.

这才是人生该有的样子。

This is what life's all about.

这才是我一直在追求的东西。

This is what I've been going for.

那年夏天，我去拉斯维加斯看朋友，准备参加主赛事前，运气特别好。

And I got really lucky that summer when I went down to Vegas to see my friends before playing the main.

他们当时和一对陌生人住在一起。

And they were staying with a couple of random people.

那年我说不想住拉斯维加斯的那栋房子，他们只好找人替补。

I had said I didn't want to stay in the Vegas house that year, so they had to get some replacements.

其中一个替补的人，正好是格雷格·梅尔森。

And one of those people happened to be Greg Merson.

那场系列赛结束后，我们俩都在第二天或第三天就出局了。

And after that series, we both busted the main event, like on day two or day three.

这简直没法接受。

Fucking unacceptable.

我们不能就这样下去。

We can't have it like this.

我们比这强多了。

We're better than this.

于是他来加拿大了。

So he came up to Canada.

他想找地方打牌。

He wanted a place to play.

我说我多一间房，可以住。

I said I had an extra room.

我当时是合作方。

I was an affiliate.

他是个喜欢后撤的玩家。

He was a raked back player.

简直完美。

Was perfect.

所以他来加拿大了，我就一直在观察他。

So he came up to Canada and I watched him.

我从他身上学到了很多。

And I learned a lot from him.

我看到他刚起步时遇到瓶颈，整个人都被那种成瘾心态困住了。

And I saw when he had his tough point at the beginning and was just kind of too caught up in the addict mindset.

我说的是扑克牌。

And I'm talking poker here.

就是那种非玩不可、时刻都需要刺激的感觉。

I'm just talking like just needing to play, needing to be stimulated all the time.

比如喝水晶冰茶这类小事，还老想跟朋友玩抛硬币，你想想，他整个人完全陷在成瘾的思维模式里了。

Things like drinking Crystal Light, like little things like wanting to do coin flips with his friends and being like, yo, you're totally like you're always in the addictive part of your brain.

你得赶紧从那儿抽身出来。

We got to get you out of there.

所以我跟他说，别再玩掷硬币了，别再喝水晶亮了，也别再赌体育赛事了。

So I said, no more coin flips, no more Crystal Light, no more sports betting.

你就专心打你的扑克。

You just play your poker.

后来他决定回家彻底调整一下状态。

And then he had his thing where he had to go home and do a reset.

他跟我说，伊万，等我回来，我会彻底清醒。

And he said, Evan, when I come back, I'm gonna be dead sober.

我要从五块一局开始，每手赢一块钱，今年打一百万手。

And I'm gonna win a dollar a hand at $5.1 And I'm gonna play a million hands this year.

目标就是赚一百万美元。

So I aim to make a million dollars.

我就要以完全清醒的状态回来，把钱全赢回来。

And I'm just gonna come back dead sober and I'm gonna win all the money.

我看着他从一月开始，从玩一两块的牌局，不到六个月就转战二十五五十美元的无限注在线高额牌局，打的是最顶级的比赛。

And I watched him from January go from restarting playing at one two to within less than six months be playing twenty five fifty, no limit online, like some of the biggest games.

他特别有自信。

Super confident.

我就一直在观察他怎么做。

And I just watched what he did.

我心里想，嗯，这方法看来真不错。

I'm like, okay, like this seems to be a good way to go about it.

他玩得很多，但我确保他抽时间练瑜伽。

He was playing a lot, but I made sure he got in some yoga.

我也保证他每天都有运动。

I made sure he got his exercise in.

我还专门给我们做健康饮食，让他身体有高质量的原料支撑。

And I was making us healthy foods so that he had high quality building blocks.

咱们都知道那个夏天发生了什么。

And we all know what happened that summer.

他选了六个比赛来打。

He picked six events to play.

我觉得他进了三个决赛桌，赢了两个，包括主赛事。

I think he final tabled three of them and won two of them, including the main event.

还有那个一万块的六人桌，他一开始就说，我就要赢这个。

And including the 10 ks six max, which he had said at the start that he said, that's the one I wanna win.

这可是扑克界的职业碗。

That's the Pro Bowl of poker.

这才是我想赢的比赛。

That's the tournament I wanna win.

结果他真就赢了这个。

And sure enough, he picked it.

赛前他打了大量六人桌比赛，准备得比谁都充分，赢这个实至名归。

He played so much six max leading up to it that he was more ready and more prepared and more deserving than anyone else of winning that tournament.

结果他果然出去把它拿下了。

And sure enough, he went out and won it.

当然，主赛事就像是锦上添花。

Obviously, the main event, that was a nice bit of icing on the cake.

但最重要的是，他赢下了自己最想赢的那场比赛。

But the main thing is he got the tournament that he wanted to win.

我当时就说，这简直太棒了。

I said, Okay, that's pretty awesome.

这正是我想要做到的。

That's what I want to do.

之后他搬回家了，我又一下子没了方向，感觉像是失去了最好的朋友。

So then after that, he moved home and I was kind of at a loss again because I felt like I lost a best friend.

于是我开始想找个人来代替他。

So I was trying to find a replacement.

后来有其他选手搬来和我一起住，挺不错的，但总觉得缺了点什么。

So I had some other players come live with me and it was cool, but something wasn't there.

我就想，如果还想再像以前那样和格雷吉这样的人待在一起，我得先实现财务自由，还得变成和他们一样的人。

And I'm like, Okay, well, if I want to be hanging out with people like Greggy again, I need to be fully financially free and I need to be a similar kind of person to what they are.

那他们到底是什么样的人？

So what are they?

他们是顶尖的扑克玩家。

They're excellent poker players.

那我该怎么做？

What do I need to do?

我得成为我能做到的最好的扑克玩家。

I need to become the best poker player I can be.

一开始，我决定把能学的东西都学一遍。

And at first, took the approach of, okay, I'm going to study everything I can.

每本书我都读。

I'm going to read every book.

我就不停地打、不停地打，想把所有东西都掌握。

I'm just going to play, play, play, I'm going to try to learn everything.

但问题是，我虽然能坐得住，却没法连续打上三十到四十五分钟，背就开始疼了。

But what happened was I couldn't sit I could do that, but I couldn't sit down and play a session for more than thirty or forty five minutes before my back started hurting.

我当时就想，这到底是怎么回事？

I'm like, what's going on with this?

后来才发现，一方面是身体姿势有问题，另一方面是压力太大、太紧张了，因为我总想着一定要做到最好。

And it turns out there was some misalignment with my body, but it was also, there was a lot of nervousness and a lot of pressure because I was like, oh, I got to be the best.

那时候我才刚刚起步。

And I'm starting at this point.

所以差距真的太大了。

So there was so much distance.

所有的压力、紧张和焦虑，加上我本身体能也不好，全都转化成了身体上的疼痛。

So all of the pressure and the nervousness and the tension manifested itself in some physical pain, combined with the fact I wasn't in the best of shape.

于是我心想，好吧，我明白了。

So I'm like, okay, you know what?

我原来以为重要的那些事，其实并不是最该优先处理的。

What I thought about was important, but there are more important things I have to work on first.

于是我在2013年花了很多时间观看像卡尔文·安德森、格里芬·本彻、安库什·曼达维亚、西蒙·谢雷这些顶尖高手的对局，他们让我学到了很多。

So I spent twenty thirteen watching a lot of greats like Calvin Anderson, Griffin Bencher, Ankush Mandavia, Simon Charette, some really, really great players who showed me a lot.

但我跟自己说，算了，我还是坐看别人打吧，毕竟多桌赛和MTT的生活压力我实在扛不住。

But I said, you know, I'm gonna sit on the sidelines because I can't handle the pressure of the multi table and the MTT lifestyle.

因为我看到他们每天要花多少时间在上面。

Because I saw how many hours it took.

我觉得自己得先把身体练好，吃得健康，学会放松，这样才能应付这些压力。

I said, I gotta be getting in shape, gotta be eating good, I gotta be relaxing so I can deal with these pressures.

所以我算是旁观中学到了不少，远远地看着，慢慢就懂了。

So I kind of learned by osmosis, watched by a distance, and I picked up a lot.

那年夏天过后，我就决定重新开始多打几场，但还是把身体调理放在第一位。

And then after that summer, I said, okay, now I'm gonna start playing more, but still focusing on the physical stuff.

那段时间我打得非常多。

And I played a ton.

到了2014年底，我觉得差不多了，打够了。

And then by the end of twenty fourteen, I said, okay, I think I've played enough.

现在我可以把学到的东西分享给别人，这样也能帮着组建一个真正出色的团队。

Now I can focus on kind of sharing what I've learned with other people so that, again, I can build a great team.

因为如果我是个顶尖选手，思维方式也像顶尖选手，我就是在帮助别人成长，做对的事，优秀的人自然会靠近我。

Because if I'm a great player, and I'm thinking like a great player, I'm helping bring up other people and doing good things, good people are going to be attracted to me.

这样一来，我最终会和两类人在一起：一是我想相处的人，二是我需要的人——他们能把我带到真正想要达到的高度。

And therefore, I will end up in the company of A, the people I want to be around, and B, the people that I need to be around who can bring me to the level that I really, really want to be at.

我不只想成为一个会打牌的人。

Because I don't want to just be someone who knows how to play the game well.

我想成为一个随时都能全力以赴、状态全开的人。

I want to be someone who can execute and fire on all cylinders at any time.

所以这是一个持续不断的过程：先分清优先级，再学习，然后真正去实践。

So it was a steady process of prioritizing, learning, and then actually doing what I learned.

然后一遍又一遍地重复。

And then repeating, repeating, repeating.

现在我终于到了一个阶段，感觉该做的都差不多到位了，配得上打进最终桌了。

And now I'm finally at a point where like, I feel like I have most of my ducks in order to the point that I deserve to be able to make that final table.

但我更觉得，明年会比今年更好。

But I also feel like next year is gonna be even better.

因为我们家里请了一位私人教练，同时也是心态导师。

Because we have like a personal trainer mindset master living at the house.

我们家里还有一位营养师。

We have a nutritionist at the house.

所以经过六周的相处，我会获得很多新的维度来提升我的水平，距离下届世界系列赛还有十个月，足够我好好打磨。

So after spending six weeks with them, I'm gonna have all these additional dimensions to add to my game that I have another like ten months to work on before the next World Series.

这其实就是一个持续的过程——每年、每周、每月都进步一点点，然后回头看看，哪些该保留，哪些该放弃，哪些需要补充。

So it's just a process of, you know, every year, every week, every month getting a little bit better, stepping back, reflecting what needs to stay, what needs to go, what do we need to add in.

好的，这就是新的日常安排。

Okay, this is the new routine.

接下来三十天，我就按这个来执行。

This is what I'm going do for the next thirty days.

然后复盘和总结。

And then reflect and review.

今年是我头一回开始写日记，每天记录一下发生了什么、有什么收获。

Like this year was the first year I actually started journaling and writing down a summary of what happened every day.

这样我回头一看，就能觉得，哦，原来那会儿挺好的。

So that I could look back and be like, oh, Okay, that was good.

所以那时候我才会有那样的感受，原因就是这些那些。

That's why I felt this way, this and that.

我把自我反思提升到了一个新的层次。

And I took my reflection to another level.

我还想说，我最大的转变发生在2013年，就是经历完那一年有点混乱的生活之后。

I would also say the biggest change I had was in 2013, after that kind of first year of living in a little bit of craziness.

我到了拉斯维加斯，住进格里芬家，心想，这实在太过头了。

I got to Vegas, I was staying with Griffin, I'm like, you know, this is too much.

我扛不住了。

I can't handle this.

于是我跑去加州找了一位冥想导师。

And I sought out a meditation teacher in California.

我去那里，和他待了三天。

And I went and I spent three days with him.

我说，有些活动我就不参加了。

I said, I'm gonna skip some events.

我就跟他待三天。

I'll stay three days with him.

好好学学怎么冥想。

Learn how to meditate properly.

然后我把这套方法带回了拉斯维加斯，变成了每天的习惯。

And then I brought that back to Vegas and made that a daily practice.

一旦早上和晚上都养成了冥想的习惯，其他事情突然就轻松多了，因为每天该做什么变得特别清晰。

And once that was in place, daily meditation in the morning and the evening, suddenly everything else became so much easier because it was so clear what was important to do each day.

因为我真正花了时间静下来，感受自己内心的状态，而不是一睁眼就跳起来，打开电脑，被别人的世界牵着鼻子走，整天被别人塞任务，忙来忙去只为满足别人的期待。

Because I actually took the time to dial in and feel what was going on on the inside rather than just jumping out of the bed, turning on the computer, and being connected to other people's reality with them kind of throwing at me what I should be doing for the rest of my day and basically just running around trying to take care of other people's needs all day.

或者那些只是我的头脑或自我想要的东西，其实根本不是我灵魂和身体真正需要的。

Or things that my mind or my ego wants, but deep down aren't really what my soul or my body needs.

所以，冥想才是真正改变一切的关键。

So that's where meditation kind of was the huge game changer.

我一直在不断添加更多的层面。

And I just continue to add more and more dimensions.

但我觉得最清楚的一点是你在每件事上投入的用心程度。

But the thing that I think is so clear is the level of intention that you put behind everything that you do.

我们迄今为止采访过的所有人里，还没听过谁像你这样注重意图。

And I don't think we've heard this level of attention to intention from anybody else that we've interviewed at least so far.

你觉得这种高度的用心，和吸引力法则这类东西是怎么关联的？

How do you think that level of intentionality plays in with like the law of attraction and that sort of thing?

其实，我就是从这里开始的。

Well, that's how I got started on the whole thing.

我的整骨医生，或者说我们俩的整骨医生，他当时和我还有格雷吉一起，帮我们达到最佳状态，因为他帮我们放松身心。

My chiropractor actually, or our chiropractor, the guy who was working with me and Greggy to really get us in peak shape because he helped us to unwind.

我忘了提这一点。

I forgot to mention that.

找真正的专业人士做身体调理，真的能帮你从长时间的过度劳累中恢复过来。

Getting assistance from a true professional to do bodywork can really help to recover from the long session, kind of the overwork we put on our body.

但他给我推荐了一个凯文·特鲁多的音频课程，叫《你的愿望就是你的指令：吸引力法则》。

But he introduced me to an audio program by Kevin Trudeau, it was called Your Wish Is Your Command, The Law of Attraction.

我当时就想，哇，这听起来也太扯了吧。

I'm like, wow, this sounds like such a scam.

但我还是把磁带放出来，认真听了。

So I played the tapes and I listened to them.

然后我对医生说，

And I said, you know what, Doctor.

格雷格，你这 scam 音频还真有点门道啊。

Gregg, you got some pretty good scam tapes, man.

听着是纯忽悠，但我决定试试看。

Sounds like a total scam, but I'm going to follow it.

从那时候起，我就开始了。

And that's when I started.

我心里就一直念：赢下大赛，赢下大赛，赢下大赛。

Was like, okay, win the main event, win the main event, win the main event.

从2012年4月开始，我就天天这么想。

I started thinking that every day in April 2012.

然后看看，五月、六月、七月。

And let's see, May, June, July.

三个月后，我室友打进了决赛桌。

Three months later, my roommate had made the final table.

接着是八月、九月、十月。

And then let's see, August, September, October.

八个月后，我室友赢得了主赛事冠军，而我也分到了一部分奖金。

Eight months later, my roommate won the main event and I had a piece of the main event winner.

我当时就想，哇，这东西见效真快。

So I'm like, wow, this stuff works pretty quickly.

我就是单纯地想着：赢下主赛事。

I just thought win the main event.

特别搞笑的是，格雷格总说：兄弟，你光靠天天想就能赢下主赛事？

And it was so funny because Greg would be like, dude, you're not just going to win the main event by just thinking that you're going to win the main event all the time.