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Welcome to The Model Health Show.
我有个重磅消息要告诉你。
I have a big announcement for you.
本周五,2026年5月8日,我们将录制《模型健康秀》第1000期,而你有机会亲身参与进来。
Later this week on Friday, 05/08/2026, we're going to be filming episode 1,000 of The Model Health Show and you get to be a part of it.
当天我们会全程直播,无论你身在世界哪个角落,都能直接来到演播室和我们一起。
We're going be live streaming the entire day and you get to join us right here in the studio from anywhere in the world.
我们会邀请到非常精彩的嘉宾,还有不少惊喜好礼。
We're going to have incredible guests, some amazing giveaways.
我说的是大手笔的奖品,还有更多特别环节,只为这个特别的日子准备。
I'm talking some big time giveaways, plus much more for this very special occasion.
想参加这场特别活动,就去 themodelhealthshow.com/livestream 报名吧。
To join us for this special event, just go to themodelhealthshow.com/ livestream.
对,就一个词:livestream。
All right, altogether as one word, livestream.
赶紧抢个位置吧。
Grab your spot right now.
千万别错过,我真的非常感谢你。
You do not want to miss this, and I appreciate you so very much.
接下来,我们继续回到正常的节目内容。
And now back to our regularly scheduled program.
你现在收听的是肖恩·史蒂文森主持的《模型健康秀》。
You are now listening to The Model Health Show with Shawn Stephenson.
更多内容请访问 themodelhealthshow.com。
For more, visit themodelhealthshow.com.
欢迎收听《模型健康秀》。
Welcome to The Model Health Show.
我是健身与营养专家肖恩·史蒂文森,非常感谢你今天陪我一起听。
This is fitness and nutrition expert Sean Stevenson, and I'm so grateful for you tuning in with me today.
你想想,上一次让你特别焦虑的事情是什么时候?
I want you to think about the last time something was really stressing you.
也许你最后一次躺在床上,深更半夜,脑子里的念头停不下来。
This may have been the last time that you were laying in bed late at night and the thoughts just wouldn't stop.
你一遍遍回放那场对话。
You're replaying a conversation.
你不断怀疑自己的决定,可你知道自己必须睡觉。
You're second guessing a decision, But you know that you need to sleep.
你明白,越纠结这事,情况越糟。
You know stressing about it is making it worse.
你对自己说,别紧张,放松点。
And you're telling yourself to just calm down.
别再放不下这件事了。
Just let it go.
多想想积极的方面。
Think positive.
可就是不管用。
But it's not working.
但关键在于,本来就不该指望你能靠想来解决。
And here's the thing, it's not supposed to.
当你的情绪中枢——也就是大脑里的警报器被触发时,负责理性思考和重新解读的前额叶皮层就会直接罢工,被屏蔽掉。
When your amygdala, your brain's glorified fire alarm gets activated, your prefrontal cortex, the part of your brain that does all of the rational thinking and reframing essentially goes offline, it gets muted.
这就是为什么你很难光靠想就能从压力反应中脱身。
This is why you cannot often think your way out of a stress response.
在那种状态下,你的大脑根本不是设计来这么运作的。
Your brain is not designed to do that in that state.
可偏偏,我们大多数人从小到大都被这么告诉的。
And yet, that's exactly what most of us have been told to do.
所以今天,我们要聊聊当你的神经系统陷入循环时,真正管用的办法是什么。
So today, we're going to talk about what actually works when your nervous system is stuck in a loop.
我们会介绍一种结合了按压穴位与现代神经科学的身心技巧。
We're going to look at a somatic technique that combines acupressure with modern neuroscience.
有一项临床研究显示,这种方法能将皮质醇水平降低43%。
And in one clinical study, it was shown to reduce cortisol levels by 43%.
现在已经有数百项经过同行评审的研究证实了这种技术的有效性,耶鲁、哈佛、哥伦比亚等顶尖大学也都在开展相关研究。
There are now hundreds of peer reviewed studies affirming the effectiveness of this technique, and it's now being studied at Yale, Harvard, Columbia, and other prestigious universities as well.
说了这么多,我们直接进入正题吧。
And with all that being said, let's dive right in.
今天我们请到的嘉宾是杰西卡·奥特纳。
Our guest today is Jessica Ortner.
她是《纽约时报》畅销书作者,也是《击打疗法解决方案》的联合创始人,这个方法已经帮助了全球数百万民众通过情绪自由技巧进行击打疗愈。
She's a New York Times bestselling author and co founder of The Tapping Solution, which has helped millions of people worldwide through emotional freedom technique tapping.
她的新书《重塑》是首次与两位兄弟尼克和亚历克斯合著的,由托尼·罗宾斯撰写序言。
Her new book, Rewired, is the first book coauthored with both of her brothers Nick and Alex, with a foreword by Tony Robbins.
她的工作曾登上《今日秀》、CNN、福克斯新闻、《Shape》、《女性健康》等众多主流媒体。
Her work has been featured on the Today Show, CNN, Fox News, Shape, Women's Health, and countless other media outlets.
通过《击打疗法解决方案》基金会,她还将这项技术带进了学校、退伍军人群体和危机社区,包括她的家乡康涅狄格州纽敦。
And through The Tapping Solution Foundation, she's brought this work to schools, veterans, and communities in crisis, including her hometown of Newtown, Connecticut.
而今天,她不只是要跟我们聊聊这个方法。
And she's not just going to talk about this today.
她会一步步教大家怎么操作。
She's going to walk us through exactly how to do it.
让我们一起来听听杰出的杰西卡·奥特纳的分享。
Let's dive into this conversation with the incredible Jessica Ortner.
杰西卡。
Jessica.
肖恩。
Shawn.
我
I'm
见到你真高兴。
so happy to see you.
能来这儿我也特别开心。
So happy to be here.
你即将向大家揭示一种真正能改变人生的技巧,对心理健康和身体健康都大有裨益。
You're about to reveal a truly life transforming technique for our mental health and our physical health.
这一点已经在超过300项同行评审的研究中得到证实,其中包括103项随机对照试验。
It's now been affirmed in over 300 peer reviewed studies, including 103 randomized controlled trials.
杰西卡,对于从来没听说过拍打疗法的人,你能用最简单的话解释一下吗?
Jessica, for people who've never heard of tapping before, what is it in its simplest terms?
这是让神经系统平静下来最有效的方法之一。
This is one of the most powerful ways to calm your nervous system.
拍打的时候,我们是在刺激身体上一些神经末梢非常密集的点。
What we're doing with the tapping is that we have points in our body that have high concentration of nerve endings.
这些点也被认为是穴位。
They're also considered acupressure points.
而且这些地方分布着机械感受器。
And we have these mechanoreceptors.
当我们开始刺激这些穴位时,会向大脑发送电信号,帮助你放松下来。
So when we begin to stimulate these acupressure points, it sends a an electrical signal to the brain to allow yourself to calm down.
要理解拍打的原理,最好的方式就是先了解神经系统是如何运作的。
One of the best ways to understand how tapping works is to understand how the nervous system works.
这个词现在被频繁提起,但其实挺大的。
And that is a big word that's being thrown around a lot right now.
可当我们说‘神经系统’的时候,到底指的是什么?
But what are we really talking about when we say the nervous system?
你的神经系统包括大脑、脊髓,还有遍布全身的神经末梢。
Your nervous system consists of your brain and your spinal cord and these nerve endings all through your body.
过去人们认为人是怎么运作的呢?觉得控制中心就在大脑里,其他部分都是听命的。
And back in the day, when we used to think about how we worked as humans, we thought that the control panel was in our brain and everything else.
我们就像提线木偶。
We were just puppets.
但现在我们对神经系统有了新的认识:大脑和身体之间其实有一条信息高速公路。
And what we're realizing now with the nervous system is that we have this information highway between the brain and the body.
我们获取的信息、记忆和情绪,不只是储存在大脑里,身体也会有真实的体验,这些同样会被储存起来。
And we gain information, we gain, memories and emotions are not just stored in our brain, but we have physical experiences and they're stored in our body.
所以当你做击打疗法时,一旦出现反应——比如恐慌、压力或焦虑——你的神经系统就在传递‘危险’的信号。
And so what you're doing with tapping is when you're having a reaction, a panic, a stress, anxiety, you have that the communication in your nervous system is danger.
所以当你轻拍这些神经末梢时,会向大脑传递一种平静的信号。
And so what you're doing with the tapping is as you stimulate these points with these nerve endings, it sends a calming signal to your brain.
如果你的大脑正在产生压力的想法,而身体却传递出安全的信号,这两种信号就会相互碰撞。
So if your brain has a stressful thought and you have a signal of safety, those two signals will bump up against each other.
这会让大脑重新调整状态。
It makes your brain recalibrate.
等等,我本来以为自己该恐慌的,可现在身体却感觉平静多了。
Wait, I thought I was meant to be panicked, but now my body is feeling calmer.
这就是你通过神经系统向大脑传递信息的方式,帮助缓解恐慌、焦虑和压力,打破思维的循环。
And that's the that is the way that you communicate through your nervous system to your mind to help release panic, anxiety, overwhelm, and break out of thought loops.
我们认识很久了。
We've known each other for a long time.
看到轻拍疗法发展得这么快,有上千万人在用这种方法,科学界对它的研究也在迅速增加,真让人感慨。
And just to see how much tapping has grown, we're talking tens of millions of people utilizing this technique and just to see the growth in science.
现在关于这方面的研究数据已经多得像山一样了,待会儿我们会聊到一些。
Like there are mountains of data now available on this and we'll get into some of that.
但在那之前,我想问问,是什么让你第一次尝试这个方法的?又是怎么把它真正融入生活的?
But before we do, I wanna ask what initially got you to try this technique and also to anchor it in in your life?
我从小到大一直都有焦虑的问题。
I have had anxiety my whole life ever since I was a kid.
小时候我有口吃。
As a kid, I had a speech impediment.
阅读也有困难,这给我带来了巨大的焦虑。
I had trouble reading And that caused this immense amount of anxiety.
因为每个人都经历过那种突然感到不安全、想躲起来、觉得自己不够好的时刻。
Because if you have an experience, and we've all had experiences, where suddenly we feel unsafe, we feel like we have to hide, we feel like we're not enough.
其实焦虑是你神经系统在试图保护你。
What happens with the anxiety is it's actually your nervous system trying to protect you.
只要发生过一次糟糕的经历,以后一到要上课发言、上台讲话、在工作场合开口的时候,身体就会自动进入恐慌状态,因为它觉得你还不安全,得保持警惕。
One bad thing happened, and now when it's time to speak in class, speak on stage, say something at work, you begin to have a panic response because your body is thinking, you're not safe, let's be on guard.
所以它的出发点其实是最好的。
And so it has the very best intentions.
那时候我正处在人生低谷,我哥哥来找我。
So I found tapping when I was in a really tough place and my brother came to me.
这本书是我和两个哥哥一起写的。
I wrote the book with my two brothers.
我哥哥尼克来找我,说他听说了这么个方法。
My brother Nick came to me and he goes, I heard about this thing.
托尼·罗宾斯提到过这个。
Tony Robbins mentioned it.
我就上网查了查。
I went online.
要不咱们试试?
Let's try it.
然后他就开始教我怎么拍打。
And I was like, and he started having me tap.
我有两个哥哥,我是最小的那个。
I am the youngest of two older brothers.
肖恩,我这一生经历过的恶作剧可真不少。
Sean, the amount of pranks that I have gone through in my life.
当时他让我在胳膊底下拍打,我盯着他想:你要是敢骗我,我非得跟你急不可。
So there was a moment when he had me tapping underneath the arm that I look at him and I think if you are pranking me, I'm going to be so angry.
他连声说:别别别,你再坚持一会儿。
He goes, no, no, no, no, just stick with it.
于是我开始拍打,结果发现身体真的有了明显的变化。
And so I began to tap and I found that I had a real physical shift.
那时候我正生病。
I was sick at the time.
病一直没见好。
I wasn't getting better.
感冒都两个星期了,还是没好转。
I was two weeks into a cold, not recovering.
边拍边感觉身体慢慢平静下来,我抬头看着他,脱口而出:我其实不想好了。
And as I tap, I feel this calm in my body and I look up at him and I go, I don't wanna get better.
他问我,你这话是什么意思?
He goes, what do you mean?
我说,我这么拼命,事事都做得对。
I go, I am working so hard and I'm doing everything right.
可我要是停下来,就会被内疚压得喘不过气。
And if I take a break, I'm drowning in guilt.
唯一能让我歇口气的方式,就是身体干脆生场病。
And the only way to take a break was my body to go, let's just get sick.
这根本不是我有意做的决定。
It wasn't a conscious decision.
我又没去主动找病毒,是身体自己这样反应的。
I didn't go look for a virus, but my body was reacting in this way.
我拍完之后,身体突然就变了。
And after I tapped, I had this huge physical shift.
后来我就把这事给忘了,因为我们总是这样。
And then I forgot about it because we do this.
我们听到了什么,比如播客里有人说了点什么,突然有了顿悟,然后就又回到原来的生活状态。
We hear something, a podcast, someone tells us something, we have a breakthrough, and then we just go on to what's normal.
直到几个月后,我经历了一段感情的结束,才重新意识到这一点。
And it wasn't until months later that I was going through a breakup.
我又回到了那种状态。
I was back.
那时候我二十出头。
I was in my early twenties.
我搬回父母家,却不想让他们听见我哭。
I was back in my parents' house and I didn't want them to hear me crying.
于是我开始敲击那些穴位。
And I started tapping on these points.
我记得当时想,那些穴位我全记不清了。
And I remember thinking, I don't remember all the points.
我肯定漏掉了两个。
I'm sure I missed two.
我感觉到身体里发生了一种深刻的转变。
And I felt this profound shift in my body.
从那以后,我和兄弟们联手,心想:我们得弄清楚这到底是怎么起作用的。
And after that moment, I teamed up with my brothers and we were like, we have to figure out how this is working.
得让更多人来试试这个方法。
We need more people to do this.
这实在太神奇了。
This is incredible.
于是我们就开始分享,这段旅程也就从这儿开始了。
So we just started to share it and the journey starts there.
是啊,真事儿。
Yeah, true story.
那时候我住在弗格森和弗洛里森特,就在 tapping solution 大会举办之前,我根本还没认识你们。
I was living in Ferguson, Florissant at the time when the Tapping Solution Summit was taking place long before we even met.
我记得当时在网上看到一片热议,发现好多了不起的人——都是我远距离的导师——都在参与这场活动,心想:你也知道这个?你也知道这个?
And I remember just seeing this buzz online and seeing all these incredible individuals who were like mentors for me from afar, who were participating in this, like, you know about this too, you know about this too.
后来我们相遇,这真是莫大的福分,我特别感激你。
And eventually, of course, us crossing paths has just been such a blessing and I'm so grateful for you.
说到焦虑,还有压力的各种应用,我们最近做了不少相关内容,也请来了全球顶尖的压力研究专家。
And, you know, just speaking of that anxiety and just the different applications for this stress, And we've done a lot around stress recently and had on like some of the world's foremost experts in stress research.
压力当然不是全然有害的,有些压力反而是有益的,能让我们变得更强大,但长期的压力却实实在在地引发了各种疾病和功能紊乱。
You know, stress obviously isn't all bad, but when it's not healthfully managed and, you know, we have hormetic stressors that we can kind of get better from, but then just the chronic stress is literally causing epidemics of disease and dysfunction.
就像你提到的,我们的神经系统非常灵活而强大,但也容易陷入某些固定模式。
Because, you know, as you mentioned, this nervous system that we have is incredibly dynamic and powerful, and we can get stuck in certain patterns.
而且,我们根本不是为今天这种高强度的生活节奏设计的,负担太重了。
And also if we're overloading ourselves, we're not meant to deal with a lot of stuff we're dealing with today.
所以现在焦虑、抑郁,还有各种心理压力问题才变得如此普遍。
And so we have epidemics of anxiety and depression and all manner of kind of mental health stress.
我想跟你聊一个特别震撼的研究,关于皮质醇的。
And so one of the studies I wanna ask you about is mind blowing, this cortisol study.
研究人员发现,通过敲击疗法,皮质醇水平降低了百分之四十三。
And the researchers found a 43% reduction in cortisol by utilizing tapping.
说说这个研究。
Talk about that.
是的,这项研究是个重大突破。
Yeah, this was a breakthrough study.
我说它是突破,是因为它还是一项重复性研究,而重复研究非常重要,因为有时候单靠一项研究得出的结果可能只是偶然,需要多个研究来验证。
And I mentioned it's a breakthrough because it's also a replica study and replica studies are important because sometimes you have a one off study that shows something, You need to have multiple studies.
这项重复研究确实得出了同样的结果。
And this was a replica study that showed this result.
他们把参与者分成了三组。
What they did is they had three groups.
一组是对照组,只被要求放松。
They had a control group that was asked us to relax.
放松确实能降低皮质醇水平。
Relaxing can lower cortisol.
另一组接受了心理教育,也就是学习正念,改变对压力的看法,有点像小组形式的谈话疗法。
They had a group that was doing psychoeducation, which meant they were learning about mindfulness, how to look at stress different, just kind of like a talk therapy in a group session.
第三组则进行了EFT敲击疗法。
And then the third group was doing the EFT tapping.
他们发现,接受心理教育的那组,皮质醇水平确实下降了。
And what they found is the group who was doing the psychoeducation, their cortisol did go down.
下降了19%。
It went down by 19%.
但正如你所说,进行敲击的那组,皮质醇下降了高达43%。
But as you said, the one, the group that was tapping, it went down by this 43%.
这个结果非常显著。
So that is profound.
这说明的不只是人们说‘我感觉没那么紧张了’‘感觉好多了’,身体里的皮质醇指标也真实反映了这种下降。
And that shows that not only are people saying, hey, I feel less stressed, I feel better, but the markers in the body show that reduction in cortisol.
我很喜欢你的节目,也特别欣赏你请了这么多专家。
And I love your show and I love how you have so many experts.
有脑健康专家谈减压,有肠道健康专家谈减压,有心脏专家谈减压——皮质醇过度分泌,会影响身体的方方面面。
There'll be a brain health expert, lower stress, gut health expert, lower stress, heart expert, lower stress, stress in an overproduction of cortisol impacts every aspect.
所以,一开始我觉得敲击法可能有个问题,就是很多人会说:我不明白这怎么行。
And so one of the things about tapping that I think might have worked against us in the beginning is people go, I don't get it.
有人敲击缓解背痛,另一个人却用它来应对财务压力带来的焦虑。
Someone's tapping on their back pain, but then there's someone else tapping on their stress around finances.
同一个方法,怎么应对这么不同的问题呢?
How are you using one thing on these two very different things?
我们真正针对的,是身体里那种压力和焦虑的反应。
What we're targeting is the stress and anxiety, the reaction in our body.
当你降低皮质醇、身体变得更放松时,那些疼痛信号通常也会跟着减弱。
And when you lower cortisol and you feel more relaxed in your body, often those pain sensors go down.
疼痛之所以减轻,是因为身体终于有了恢复的能力,而以前它做不到。
The pain begins to go down because your body can begin to recover the way that it couldn't before.
如果你因为财务状况感到压力,就很难做出明智的决定,会感到封闭、恐慌,这些都会加重压力。
If you're stressed around your financial situation, you're not making good decisions, you feel shut down, you feel panic, you deal with that stress.
一旦压力缓解了,你的思维就会变得清晰起来。
All of a sudden, can think more clearly.
你可以寻求帮助。
You can ask for help.
你可以更有创意,也更能想办法。
You can be more creative and you can be more resourceful.
所以这并不是因为有什么神奇的力量,而是因为它针对的是压力,而压力会影响方方面面。
So it's not that it works on all these things because it's magic, it works on stress and stress impacts everything.
太有力量了,太有力量了。
So powerful, so powerful.
再说这个研究,或者说是重复实验,这原本是一项已经做过的类似研究,研究人员只是想验证一下:它真的能有这么好的效果吗?
And again, with this particular study or replica study, so this was a study that was already conducted in a similar style and the researchers again, just to like prove or disprove it, did this actually work this well?
而且这项研究发表在权威的同行评审期刊上,还实际测量了干预前后皮质醇水平的变化。
And being able to, again, this is published in a prestigious peer reviewed journal and actually tracking cortisol levels before and after.
我们知道,这能显著降低体内的压力荷尔蒙和压力反应。
And we know that this can dramatically reduce our stress hormones and our stress response in our body.
接下来我们会更深入地讲它是怎么起作用的,因为真的有一些特别深刻的洞见。比如读完这本书,再加上自己实践了一段时间后,我突然有个顿悟:这正是我一直以来需要听到的话。
And we're gonna talk more about how it does it, because there's really some profound insights, like reading the book, and of course, knowing about this, practicing this for a while, I had a huge moment, like, oh, that is exactly what I needed to hear.
另外我们还会聊到,对正在收听的朋友们来说,如果能转到我们YouTube频道观看这期节目的视频版,会非常有收获——当然,如果你在Spotify上听,我们也有视频版,你可以看到我们提到的研究资料,还能跟着学习具体怎么做。
And also we're gonna talk about, and by the way, those that are listening, you would be very blessed to come over to the YouTube version of this episode on our YouTube channel, or if you're watching on Spotify, we have Spotify video as well, so that you could see the studies that we'll put up that we're referencing and also to learn how to actually do this.
今天Jess会在节目中亲自给大家演示这个方法。
Jess is gonna share this with us here on the show today.
在深入讲这些之前,我想先跟你聊聊另一项特别深刻的研究所带来的发现。
And so before we get into all that, I wanna ask you about another really, really profound study.
这项研究发表在《神经与精神疾病杂志》上,研究对象是创伤后应激障碍的症状。
And this was actually published in the Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease on PTSD symptoms.
这项研究的结果,真的前所未有。
And the results from this study, there is nothing else like this.
你来讲讲这项研究吧。
Talk about that study.
这项研究是针对美国退伍军人做的,参与者都是经历过战争的士兵。
So there was a study, this was done with war veterans, US veterans.
研究人员把他们分成两组,一组接受30次EFT敲击疗法,另一组则接受常规治疗。
And what they did is they split the group into those getting 30 sessions of EFT tapping and then those doing the standard care.
也就是退伍军人事务部通常提供的那种常规治疗。
So the regular therapist that the standard care for the VA.
结果发现,经过30次敲击治疗后,90%的参与者症状大幅缓解,已经不再符合 PTSD 的诊断标准。
And what they found is after these 30 sessions, ninety percent of the participants who did tapping, their symptoms went so low that they no longer qualified as having PTSD.
完全缓解。
Complete remission.
完全缓解。
Complete remission.
而接受常规治疗的那组,只有4%的人有改善。
And those who were doing the standard level of care, four percent of them.
但他们还做了后续追踪。
But then they followed up.
三个月后再次回访,发现仍有86%的人保持缓解状态,不再被视为 PTSD 患者。
So three months later, they followed up to see if it was holding and eighty six percent still were in remission, not considered having PTSD.
六个月后,这个比例维持在80%。
Six months later, it was at eighty percent.
所以长期来看,有百分之八十的人取得了这样的效果。
So long term eighty percent difference or eighty percent of people getting these results.
这类研究的难点在于,效果太显著了,反而让人怀疑。
The challenge with a study like this, is that it's almost so impressive that it creates a lot of skepticism.
因此,关于创伤后应激障碍和情绪释放技术的研究已经多了很多。
And so there has been so many more studies around PTSD and tapping.
其中还有一项元分析。
And there was one meta analysis.
实际上有三项,但我只提其中一项,因为这项是由欧洲一个与情绪释放技术毫无关联的团队做的。
There's actually been three, but I'm mentioning one of them because this meta analysis was done in Europe by a group that has no association to tapping.
没人喜欢这个方法,也不愿意研究它。
Nobody likes it, wants to research it.
这个研究完全是第三方做的。
This was very much a third party.
元分析会把所有相关研究的数据汇总起来,计算出效应量,范围在0到1之间,1代表效果极佳,0.7、0.8已经是非常好的结果了。
And a meta analysis takes all of the studies around something and crunches the data to see what the effect size is, which is between zero and one, one being incredible, 0.7, 0.8, great results.
他们分析了所有关于敲击疗法和创伤后应激障碍的研究,效应量达到了1.8,这简直不可思议。
And they looked at all of the studies around tapping and PTSD, and the effect size was 1.8, which is incredible.
所以我现在看到的是,第一,美国退伍军人事务部已经批准将其用于临床。
So what I'm seeing now is one, it's been approved by the VA to be used.
第二,这为更多研究打开了大门,让更大的大学愿意来深入探索这项技术。
And two is that this is opening the door for more research for more bigger universities to take this on.
我的意思是,大家真的都该听听这个,因为这个问题被严重忽视了,对个人、家庭乃至整个社区都会造成巨大伤害,而现有的标准疗法效果却非常有限,事实就是如此。
I mean, just everybody please hear this because again, this is one of the issues that is so overlooked and can be so damaging, not just to the individual, but their families and the community when dealing with post traumatic stress syndrome and having so little effectiveness with standard of care, and it is what it is.
一种有效率高达九成的疗法,理应登上头版新闻。
To see something that is upwards of 90% effective, like this should be front page news.
确实如此。
Yeah.
正如你刚才提到的,幸运的是,这项技术现在正逐步融入医疗体系,但我们现在才刚刚开始,公众还不知道它存在,医生们也还没意识到,它不仅能缓解症状,更能真正调节神经系统,解决根本问题。
And as you just mentioned, thankfully this is now being kind of integrated into care, but we're just getting started as far as like the message getting out there to people to know that it's available and also for practitioners, for physicians to know that this is a valuable tool as well, to not just treat a symptom, but to actually address the underlying issues with the nervous system.
我很想讲一个真实的故事,让这些研究结果变得更有血有肉。
I'd love to share a real story to make this study real.
我们收到过几百个这样的故事,但有一个特别让我印象深刻。
There was, we get hundreds of these stories, but one really stands out to me.
这位女士叫萨姆·索内特,是一名退伍军人。
It's this woman, Sam Sonnett, who was a veteran.
她之前还在纽约警察局工作过。
She also was in the NYPD.
她所在的部门处理的都是特别棘手的案件。
She was in a department that dealt with very difficult cases.
后来,在退休前,她负责领导反恐部门的生化反恐培训工作。
And then later, before retiring, she was in charge of training those in counterterrorism for biochemical counterterrorism.
她手下管着整个团队。
So she had this whole unit underneath her.
她开始出现一些创伤后应激障碍的症状,她说这其实挺难开口的。
She started to deal with some PTSD symptoms, which she said she admitted it's tricky.
谁都不愿意承认自己睡不好觉。
You don't want to admit you're having trouble sleeping.
你不愿意承认自己压力大,因为你的工作就是为别人撑住场面。
You don't want to admit you're having stress because this is your job is to show up for other people.
于是她去找了一位常规心理咨询师, therapist说:‘好,我们坐下来,把所有创伤经历都写出来。',
And so she went to a conventional therapist and the therapist said, Okay, let's sit down and let's write out every traumatic thing.
慢慢把每一件事都聊一遍。
Let's kind of talk through everything.
她说:‘这根本做不到。'
She goes, It's impossible.
我一天之内,就经历了三起严重的创伤事件。
In one day on my job, I've had three traumatic cases.
后来她找到了另一位心理咨询师,用了击打疗法。
And then she found another therapist who incorporated tapping.
她说,正是从那时起,她的生活开始转变——不仅能在咨询时借助 therapist 的引导配合击打,更在轮班间隙、下班之后,当她必须放下那些经历、回到家面对孩子时,她发现,很多一线人员根本没时间缓冲,从现场直接走进家门。
And she said that is when her life changed because when not only was she able to use the therapist's knowledge and tap with the therapist, but in those moments between shifts or after a shift when you have to let go of what happened, she would often say that a lot of times first responders, there's no middle part of between you're experiencing something and you walk in to the dinner table with your kids.
你的身体根本分不清你已经回家、安全了,因为你的神经系统还在警戒状态,毕竟你刚刚经历了创伤。
And so your body does not know that you're home and safe again, because you will because obviously your nervous system wants to keep you safe, and you've just experienced something traumatic.
所以她专门制作了一些敲击冥想音频,放在我们的应用《敲击疗法》里。
And so she actually created tapping meditations that are in our app, The Tapping Solution.
这些内容对一线人员永远免费开放,让你能在换班前后,给自己一点时间,让身体明白现在安全了,可以放下刚才的经历,再迎接一天中的下一段行程。
They're always free, always unlocked for first responders, which is giving yourself those moments to be able to let your nervous system know that it's safe to let things go before transitioning on to the second part of your day.
谢谢你分享这个故事。
Thank you for sharing that story.
你新书里的一大亮点就是这些真实案例,特别有共鸣,因为这些经历我们都能感同身受,而且能看到它们在各种场景下的实际应用。
And that's one of the great things about your new book as well is the stories and just highlighting, you know, because again, these are things that we can actually relate to and to see all the different applications as well.
这种事,大多数人根本不会去想。
Like that's something that most of us never think about.
就连很多一线人员自己也没想过,因为从来没人教过你怎么真正放松,怎么调整自己的神经系统,很多时候你只能把创伤一直背在身上。
Even people who are first responders, never think about it because you're not trained really on how do you actually decompress, be able to shift what's going on with your nervous system, a lot of times just carrying around that trauma with you.
我们看到一线人员中焦虑、抑郁,还有心理和身体健康的问题都特别普遍。
And again, we see such high rates of anxiety and depression and mental health struggles and physical health struggles as well with first responders.
这绝不是偶然,它们是紧密相连的。
It's not an accident, it goes hand in hand.
这本书里特别棒的一点是,我想直接分享一下,这部分是我特别标出来的,你也看到了,我在书里写了好多笔记。
And one of the great parts about this book, and I wanna share this directly, this is one of the parts that I highlighted and you saw, I wrote a bunch of notes in the book as well.
但这一部分叫作‘身体的电系统’。
But this part, this section is called your body's electrical system.
它说,想象你的身体就像一栋有电路的房子。
And it says, think of your body like a house with electrical wiring.
一切正常的时候,灯会亮,电器能运转,一切都顺畅运行。
When everything's working right, the lights turn on, the appliances run, everything flows.
可要是电路短路了,会发生什么?
But what happens when there's a short circuit?
灯会闪烁,保险丝跳闸,东西就没法正常工作了。
The lights flicker, breakers trip, things stop working properly.
创伤和长期压力对身体的电系统造成的,就是这样的短路。
That's what trauma and chronic stress do to your body's electrical system.
它们让身体反复触发同样的反应,停都停不下来。
They create short circuits that keep triggering the same responses over and over.
比如,看到一只狗你就恐慌,哪怕二十年前它才咬过你一次。
Examples, see a dog equals panic for you, even though one bit you twenty years ago.
看到老板发来的邮件,你胃就发紧,可你明明工作做得很好。
Read an email from your boss, your stomach knots, even though you're good at your job.
一想到钱,胸口就发闷,可你实际上根本没什么危险。
Thinking about money, chest heightens, even though you're not actually in danger.
这些情况里,你有没有看到自己的影子?或者类似的情形?
Can you see yourself in any of these situations or something similar?
这些就是你的电路在短路发作。
These are your short circuits in action.
现在,我想让每个人都记住这一点。
Now this is what I want everybody to take away.
传统疗法能帮你理解这些模式,就像请电工来解释为什么你的电路老是跳闸。
Traditional therapy helps you understand these patterns, like having an electrician explain why your circuits keep tripping.
这种理解当然非常宝贵。
This understanding is incredibly valuable, of course.
它能让你更深入地理解,明白自己为什么会这样反应。
It gives you insight, context, and often profound awareness about why you react the way you do.
但敲击法做的是另一回事,往往能更快地把效果提升到一个新的层次。
But tapping does something different and can often accelerate results to the next level.
它通过刺激特定穴位,向大脑的警报中心传递镇定信号,从而重置你身体的电系统。
It resets your body's electrical system by stimulating specific points that send calming signals directly to your brain's alarm center.
这里要强调的是,传统疗法确实能帮你理解这些模式。
The takeaway here is, again, traditional therapy helps you to understand the patterns.
就像请电工来告诉你为什么跳闸了——原来是小时候六岁那会儿的事,跟妈妈有关,可问题是,我到底该怎么改?
Okay, like having an electrician to explain why your circuits are tripped, like this is what's wrong with you, it's your mother, your, you know, it's this relate, it was when you were six, but how do I actually change it?
而敲击法正好为我们提供了真正做出改变的途径。
And this gives us an inroads into actually making that change.
是的。
Yes.
我想说,我特别尊重治疗师,真心感谢他们。
And I wanna say I love therapists, God bless them.
我觉得 tapping 如此迅速普及的一个原因,是经常听到有人说:我的治疗师让我在疗程之间做这个,或者我的治疗师教了我这个。
And I think one of the reasons that tapping is growing so fast is I hear people say, my therapist told me to do this between sessions, or My therapist taught me this.
所以我们看到很多治疗师,他们可能之前感到有些沮丧,因为他们接受了非常专业的训练。
So we're seeing a lot of therapists who've been maybe frustrated because they're having incredible training.
他们确实能帮你获得深刻的洞察,但同时也意识到,情绪反应背后是有身体触发点的。
They really help you get insights, but they see that there is a physical trigger.
我记得曾经和一位医生聊过。
And I remember speaking to Doctor.
达蒙·西拉斯。
Damon Silas.
他是军方的一名治疗师。
He is a therapist in the military.
现在他在德国的美国军事基地工作。
He's actually now in the American base in Germany.
他说,他当初开始做这一行,纯粹是想帮人。
And he said when he started, he started because he wanted to help.
他发现,当人们开始谈论自己的困扰时,身体会自然产生反应,那种生理上的焦虑感特别明显。
And what he would find is that when people would start talking about their challenges, there would be this physical response, this physical anxiety.
所以有时候他们离开诊室后,虽然心理上有了顿悟,但身体还是紧绷着。
And so sometimes they'd leave the office and maybe they had the moment, but their body was still anxious.
所以我们必须从身体入手。
So we have to go through the body.
心灵是跟着身体走的。
The mind follows the body.
只有当身体感到安全了,真正的改变才可能发生。
And so when the body feels safe, that's when you can begin to change.
这种方法在回溯过去经历时特别有效。
And it works very powerful with looking at moments in our past.
这是因为一种叫记忆再巩固的机制。
And that's because something called memory reconsolidation.
以前我们都以为记忆是固定不变的。
We used to believe that a memory was written in stone.
事情真的发生了。
It happened.
事情就是这么发生的。
That's how it happened.
但科学家们现在发现,记忆其实是可以改变的。
But scientists are realizing that memories have they have a way of changing.
就像同一件事发生在不同人身上,或者你和兄弟姐妹一起经历的事,每个人记住的版本却完全不同。
It's the same way that you can have something happen to different people or if you have siblings, you all experience something and you got something totally different or the memory is completely different.
当你回想一段记忆时,其实有个窗口期,就像打开电脑里的一个文件。
So when you think of a memory, there is this window where it's almost like opening a file on your computer.
通常你想起那只狗咬你的那一刻,一打开这个记忆,那种恐惧感又回来了。
So usually you think about something that time that dog bit you and you open that file and you feel that sense of dread again.
等你走开之后,这个记忆文件还是保存着当初的恐慌和焦虑。
And now when you move on, that file is still saved with the same panic and anxiety.
所以当你看到一只你明明知道不会咬人的狗时……
And so you see a dog that you know doesn't bite.
这是你朋友的狗。
It's your friend's dog.
它总是在睡觉。
It's always sleeping.
它躺在床上。
It's in the bed.
你告诉自己,这是贵宾犬,没关系,我安全。
You tell yourself, this is a poodle, I'm safe, does not matter.
但你的身体还是会恐慌,因为它在那一刻学会了不安全。
Your body will continue to panic because it learned that it wasn't safe in that moment.
当你做轻拍时,只要想到那个记忆,文件就打开了,你会重新感受到当时的情景。
What you do with the tapping is if you think about a memory, it opens up that file, you begin to feel what happened.
而你现在是在向大脑传递一种平静的信号。
And now what you're doing is you're sending a calming signal to your brain.
你是在重新训练大脑,让它在回忆起那段记忆时,也能感受到安全。
So you're retraining, you're rewiring your brain to be able to notice that memory, but now feel the sense of safety.
这样当它保存后,焦虑感就会降低。
And so that when it saves, that anxiety goes down.
记忆和细节可能完全没变,但当你回想时,焦虑会轻很多。
So the memory and the details might be exactly the same, but you'll be able to think about the memory and the anxiety will be lower.
太强大了。
So powerful.
太有洞察力了。
So insightful.
对人类健康来说,最重要的营养素之一,这其实一点都不意外,简直该写在天上。
One of the most important nutrients for human health, and this should be of no surprise, it should be written in the sky.
就是维生素C。
It's vitamin C.
它的好处太多了,从增强免疫力,到改善睡眠,甚至提升心理健康都离不开它。
It has so many benefits from supporting our immune system function to supporting our sleep quality and even supporting our mental health.
维生素C被公认是真正的减压神器,它能支持肾上腺功能,让人在压力下更快恢复过来。
Vitamin C is believed to be a bonafide stress buster and reduce stress by supporting the adrenal glands and allows a person to bounce back more quickly when under stress.
发表在《心理药理学》期刊上的一项随机、双盲、安慰剂对照试验研究了公开演讲和其他压力源,发现服用维生素C补充剂的人群焦虑感更轻,血压更稳定,皮质醇水平恢复得也更快。
In a randomized, double blind, placebo controlled trial published in the journal Psychopharmacology, looking at the stress of public speaking and other stressors, scientists found that those who received vitamin C supplements experienced less stage fright, maintained more balanced blood pressure and had a faster recovery of their cortisol levels.
那你为什么不吃维生素C呢?
What don't you do vitamin C?
这东西太特别了。
It's so special.
但问题来了。
Now, here's the rub.
大多数人不知道的是——这一点可没写在天上——市面上大多数维生素C补充剂都是用转基因玉米糖浆和玉米淀粉做的。
And what most people don't know, this is not written in the sky, is that most vitamin C supplements are made from genetically modified corn syrup and cornstarch.
这些原料并不适合我们的组织、大脑和身体生理需求。
These are not ideal sources of vitamin C for our tissues, for our brain, for our biology.
所以我们得确保自己选的维生素C补充剂,是真正有科学依据的可靠产品。
And so we want to make sure that we are sourcing our vitamin C supplements from bonafide science backed sources.
我这些年一直在用的是Paleovalley家的Essential C配方。
And for that, the vitamin C supplement that I've been using for years is the Essential C formula from Paleovalley.
现在就去 paleovalley.com/model
Go to paleovalley.com/model right now.
你可以享受他们强大的 Essential C 复合物八五折优惠
You're going to get 15% off of their powerful Essential C complex.
这款产品选用的是目前已知维生素 C 含量最高的天然超级食物,比如针叶樱桃、印度醋栗,还有超级食物中的王者——卡姆卡姆浆果
Now it's based on some of the most vitamin C dense, real superfoods that have ever been discovered, including acerola cherry, amla berry, and the vitamin C superstar of superstars, camu camu berry.
全部采用有机原料,不含任何粘合剂、填充剂或合成成分
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你知道吗,我们的身体和大脑,还有整个神经系统,都装满了各种记忆。
You know, our bodies and our brains, our nervous system is just filled to the brim with memories.
这正是为什么这件事特别有意思,因为现在科学也证实了这种现象——你刚才提到的记忆更新现象:当我们回忆某件事时,其实是在临时打开那个文件,让它可以被修改,当然你也可以选择不改,但大多数人只是顺其自然地生活,记忆偶尔冒出来,就会引发某种反应。
And this is why, it's so interesting because now science is affirming this phenomenon, as you just talked about the memory update phenomenon, that when we remember something, we're temporarily bringing that file up and it's like unlocked to be able to do something with it, should we choose to, but most of us are just kind of living and our memory might pop up or, and create a response.
而这些反应的一部分,不管是愉快的,还是完全相反的,都会在我们身体里引发实际的变化。
And part of that response too, whether it's pleasurable or something that is, you know, the total opposite, we have a physical change in our bodies.
我们的身体化学成分会随着所想的事情、所携带的记忆而改变。
Like the chemistry in our bodies change based on what we're thinking about and the memories that we're carrying around.
最不可思议的是,那些事情根本已经不存在了,可它依然能引发同样的反应。
And here's the crazy thing, it's not even present, like this is something that doesn't exist anymore, but it can have that same response.
我想问问你,因为很多人会想:我明明理智上知道我现在是安全的。
And I wanna ask you about this because the question would be like, I logically know that I'm safe.
我知道我现在没事。
Like I'm okay.
我明明安全,身体干嘛还这么反应?
Why on earth would my body respond the way that it's responding?
我从你这儿学到一点,我们的身体和大脑最根本的目标就是让我们安全,对吧?
And one of the things I've learned from you is that our bodies and our brains primary goal is to keep us safe, right?
为了做到这一点,它会不择手段。
And it will go through any means necessary to do that.
这时候就会出现一种叫‘熟悉陷阱’的现象。
And what happens is something called the familiarity trap will take place.
说说这个吧。
Talk about that.
我们喜欢确定性。
We love certainty.
确定性能让我们感到安心。
Certainty gives us a sense of safety.
这种确定性可能是你觉得自己不够好,觉得坏事总会发生在自己身上,或者害怕在公众面前说话。
Now that could be certainty that we're not enough, that bad things happen to us, that we can't speak in public.
我们脑子里总有一些信念和想法,一遍又一遍地重复。
We have these beliefs and these thoughts that repeat over and over again.
你越反复想这些事,就越像山上的水流不断冲刷。
And the more that we repeat them and we think them, it's almost like water going down a mountain.
水流得越多,沟壑就越深。
The more it goes down, it makes the grooves deeper and deeper.
于是你开始觉得,那大概就是真实的自己了。
And you begin to think, well, then that must be who I am.
因为我一直这样想,这么久了,大概我就是这样的吧。
I must because I've run this pattern for so long.
也许,这就是我真正的样子。
Maybe this is who I am.
而我亲身经历、也见过成千上万人获得的最大突破,就是那一刻——你终于明白:我并不等于我的这些模式。
And the biggest breakthrough that I've experienced personally and I've seen thousands others is this moment when you realize I am not my patterns.
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我的行为并不代表我本人。
I am actually not my behaviors.
我远比这要丰富得多。
I am so much more than this.
真正关键的是,当你明白你的神经系统只是想保护你时,这会自然让你转向对自己的温柔与理解。
And I think the biggest thing about understanding that your nervous system wants to keep you safe is it really opens the story to self compassion.
不妨试着想想,对正在听的你来说,如果根本没什么问题,会怎么样?
Because what if just entertain this for those who are listening, what if there is nothing wrong with you?
如果你其实并没有破碎,只是重复着一个你太过熟悉、以至于神经系统觉得安心的模式,会怎样?
What if you are not broken and the only thing that's happening is a pattern that you've become so familiar with that it feels safe to your nervous system.
也许曾经发生过一件事,让你的神经系统认定‘别人不可信’‘我不能上台讲话’,而神经系统因为爱你、因为你知道自己足够好、因为它唯一的目标就是让你活下去,就会不断重复这个模式。
What if one thing happened and it taught your nervous system people can't be trusted, I can't speak on stage, And suddenly your nervous system, because it loves you, because you are enough, because it wants nothing more than your survival, will continue to run that pattern.
这种焦虑,其实是一种保护你的机制。
And that anxiety is a way of keeping you safe.
这彻底改变了我对待自己焦虑的方式。
This changed the way that I addressed my own anxiety.
我不但发现我焦虑得少了,但焦虑还是会出现,对吧?
Not only did I realize that I wasn't getting anxious as much, but anxiety still happens, right?
我们不可能每天都状态不好。
Like we're not always gonna have a bad day.
我有时候会意识到:哦,我有点紧张。
I have moments where I go, oh, I'm nervous.
我对某件事感到焦虑。
I'm anxious about something.
最大的转变在于,我明白了:焦虑传达的信息并不真实。
The biggest thing that shifted is this realization that what I need, the anxiety is not true.
当我焦虑的时候,我不必相信脑子里那些想法。
I don't have to believe what I think when I'm anxious.
焦虑的目的不是让我消沉,也不是提醒我我不够好。
And that the anxiety's goal is not to keep me down or remind me that I'm not worthy.
焦虑的唯一目的,就是保护你,保护我。
The anxiety's goal is just to keep you safe, keep me safe.
所以当我发现自己被触发的那一刻,我只需要对自己说:我需要的只是自我安慰和一种安全感。
And so what if when I find myself moments, when I find myself in moments when I'm triggered, I simply say to myself, all I need is my own reassurance and a sense of safety.
并不是说我需要被修复。
Not that I need to be fixed.
也不是我还不够好。
Not that I'm not enough.
这只不过是身体在寻求安全而已。
It's simply my body's desire for safety.
一旦你明白了这一点,有了这个转变,去进行敲击练习反而变得很自然了,因为你能直接跟身体对话:我该怎么跟身体说清楚呢?理智上你明明知道,比如车祸的概率远高于空难。
And once you do that, once you have that switch, then it's almost even nice to go to the tapping to find something where I can go, how do I speak directly to my body because logically you might know that it's more, it's scarier or the chances of you being in a car crash are higher than crashing in an airplane.
理智上你清楚,坐飞机比开车安全。
Logically, you can go, an airplane is safer than a car.
但身体根本不买账。
Your body does not care.
如果你曾经因为飞行的事受到过刺激,哪怕你给自己找了一百个不害怕的理由,身体还是会说:我不在乎。
If you had seen something that triggered you around flying, you will give yourself every reason why you shouldn't be scared of flying and your body is like, I don't care.
我保存了这段记忆。
I have this memory saved.
我感到恐慌,我会一直反复经历这件事,直到你能让我确信我是安全的。
I have this panic and I am going to keep reliving this until you can communicate with me that I am safe.
太棒了。
Amazing.
你在书里讲过一个在机场的故事,有一家人计划旅行,快到登机时间了,妈妈却怎么也上不了飞机。
You've got a great story in the book at an airport and this was with a family that had planned a trip and they had come down to the wire and the mom couldn't get on the flight.
对。
Yes.
当时有个人用了我们的应用。
And someone had our app.
我们有个叫《敲击疗法》的应用,里面有针对恐飞的敲击冥想,这位女士就走过去对她说,我知道这听起来有点奇怪,但咱们到旁边去一下。
We have the Tapping Solution app, which has fear of flying tapping meditations and this woman went up to her and goes, I know this is a little strange, but let's go to the side.
我来给你放一段敲击冥想。
Let me play this tapping meditation for you.
来,我们一起拍打一下。
Let's tap.
那个女人特别着急,你知道的,这种旅行你计划了好久。
And the woman was desperate because her her, you know, these trips you plan for forever.
于是她说,好吧。
And so she goes, okay.
之前她根本上不了飞机,心里特别想飞,可身体就是动不了。
And again, she physically before couldn't go on the flight, every part of her wanted like she wanted to go, but she physically couldn't.
可当她开始拍打之后,焦虑感就慢慢降下来了。
And when she was able to tap, the anxiety went down.
她最后顺利登上了飞机,完成了梦想中的旅行。
And she was able to get on that flight and have that dream vacation.
前几天我去农贸市场,穿着一件Tapping Solution的T恤,卖蜂蜜的那位女士就对我说:‘杰西卡,我得跟你说件事,我计划了去意大利的旅行。’
And I was at the farmer's market the other day and I had like a Tapping Solution T shirt on and the woman selling honey was like, oh, Jessica, I have to tell you, I planned this trip to Italy.
我盼着去意大利十多年了,一直去不了,后来我用了拍打法,终于登上了那架飞机。
I've been wanting to go to Italy for over ten years and I haven't been able to and I tapped and I was able to get on that plane.
这款应用最棒的地方在于,大多数应用只记录你有没有打卡。
And we're seeing the wonderful thing about this app is that most apps just track if you show up.
比如,嘿,你连续五天都用了。
Like, hey, you did five days in a row.
而我们记录的是你使用前后的变化。
We track your before and after.
从0到10分,焦虑感在使用前是多少,使用后又降到了多少。
Like from zero to 10, what's the anxiety before and what's the anxiety after.
我们已经有了一千八百万条数据。
We have 18,000,000 data points.
我们总共记录了三千四百万次敲击冥想,其中一千八百万次都包含了这些前后对比数据。
We have 34,000,000 tapping meditations played, but 18,000,000 of those have those data points.
我们发现,当人们用敲击法缓解焦虑时,经过一百万人使用后,平均焦虑水平下降了40%。
And we can see that when you tap on anxiety, the release anxiety tapping meditation after a million people used it, the average decrease was 40%.
那这40%到底意味着什么?
So what does that mean 40%?
如果你对坐飞机的恐惧感是八分,但一直不敢登机,只要花九分钟敲击,就能降到四分——可能还有一点紧张,但至少你能上飞机了,能行动了,之后还可以持续做下去,慢慢降低焦虑。
If you're at an eight of fear of flying and you're not getting on that plane, if you tap for nine minutes and you're on a four, maybe you have a little anxiety, but you can go, you can move, and then you can continuously do that work to lower the anxiety.
但哪怕只是把焦虑降低将近四成,也足以改变人生,因为你终于能去做自己真正想做的事了。
But we're seeing even just dropping something by almost 40% is life changing because it doesn't stop you from taking the action that you wanna take.
我们的大脑其实本质上就是个预测机器,目的就是保护我们安全。
Our brains really are just predictive machines as well, you know, to keep us safe.
你可能会想用理性说服自己:这没道理,但还是得做,我想做,可如果你的大脑和神经系统一直在预测:虽然你知道这事会让你感觉更好,
And again, you could try to logic yourself to death, just like this doesn't make sense, just gotta do this, want to do this, but if your brain and nervous system are predicting that even though you know that this thing is going to make you feel better,
对。
Yeah.
它还是会固执地认为:上次不是这样,这次也别冒险,干脆继续维持这个模式。
If it is predicting like, not necessarily like this thing happened last time, I'm just gonna go ahead and make sure that you stay locked in this pattern.
敲击法能帮你打开一个缺口,重新调整、重塑这种体验。
Tapping gives you an opening to start to recalibrate, rewire that experience.
这世上真没什么别的方法能像它这样,而这正是它最厉害的地方。
And there really isn't anything like it because this is the best part about it.
你把这些要点都一一列出来了,说明了它为什么这么有价值。
And you kind of bullet pointed all these different things and why it's so valuable.
你随时随地都能做这件事。
You could do this anywhere.
不需要任何工具,也不用依赖别人,自己就能完成。
You don't need anything or anybody, you could do this yourself.
它其实就根植于你的神经系统之中。
And it's built into your nervous system.
这些穴位你都知道,但更重要的是伴随它的语言和沟通方式,我昨天刚做了一次练习。
You know, these, again, these acupressure points, but also there's the messaging, the communication that goes along with it, which I just did a session yesterday.
你们在书里还提供了各种场景的引导式击打冥想和方法框架,这一点也很棒。
And of course you guys give guided tapping meditations and also frameworks in the book for all kinds of different things, by the way.
不管是让你困扰的大事,还是看似微不足道的小事,都可以用它来处理。
And this could be something big, something really, really big or something that you might deem to be very small that's irritating you.
它真的能带来转变。
And it can be transformative.
但我发现,其实我早就知道该说什么了。
But what I found was that I knew what to say already.
就像在做敲击练习的时候,我心里清楚该对自己说什么。
Like I knew what to say for myself as I was going through my tapping session.
这事儿特别奇怪,我心想:这次估计也没多大用处。
And like, it's so crazy because I'm just like, this is not gonna make that big of a difference this time.
就是,这次没什么特别的。
It's just, this is not this.
但结果呢,情绪从五分直接降到两分,对吧?
But it's just like, again, you go from like a five to like a two, right?
所以我觉得,现在正好可以带我们实际演示一下怎么做。
And so I think this is a good point to actually take us through and show us how to do this.
而且,书里已经把这些步骤都写清楚了。
And again, this is mapped out in the book.
你们的视频做得特别棒,不过现在有你在这儿,我就不用看了。
You've got incredible videos on this, but I've got you here.
那你来教吧
So teach
我很高兴能在这里。
Yes, I'm so glad to be here.
对于正在听的朋友们,我会尽量解释清楚,也会引导大家去那个YouTube频道。
And for those who are listening, I'll try to explain it and get on that YouTube channel as well.
一旦你熟悉了这种做法,我强烈推荐大家试试。我先带你们做一个小体验,熟悉一下这些穴位,但之后一定要去做一次敲击冥想。
This is something that once you get comfortable with using it, and I really recommend people, I'm going to give you an experience, a very small experience, To get familiar with the points, but go and do a tapping meditation.
在YouTube上,The Tapping Solution频道有很多免费资源。
There's free ones on YouTube at The Tapping Solution.
刚开始你只是在学穴位的位置,但厉害的是,每次用的都是那九个相同的点。
In the beginning, you're just learning where the points are, but what's powerful is it's always the same nine points.
所以你一旦掌握了这个方法,它就会成为你一辈子的工具。
So when you learn this tool, you have this for the rest of your life.
哪怕凌晨三点醒过来,压力大得睡不着,或者刚经历了一场小碰撞,吓得心跳加速,你随时都能用上它。
So when you wake up at 03:00 in the morning and you need some stress relief, or you've just been in a fender bender and you're just panicking, you can go to this.
第一个点在手掌侧面,哪一侧身体都无所谓。
So the very first point is the side of the hand and it doesn't matter what side of the body you tap on.
这些点在身体两侧都有。
So the points are on both sides.
接下来是眉毛开始长出来的地方。
And then the next point is where the hair of your eyebrow begins.
就在骨头边上。
So it's right on the bone.
然后是眼睛外侧,还是在骨头上面。
Then we have the side of the eye and it's still on the bone.
不是往太阳穴那边去。
So not back in your temple.
始终贴着那根骨头。
You're still staying on that bone.
我一般用两到三根手指。
And I am using about two fingers, two, three fingers.
你只需要轻轻敲击,刺激这些神经末梢。
All you want to do is tap to stimulate these nerve endings.
眼睛下方有个点,就在眼骨底下。
You have underneath the eye, which is the bone underneath your eye.
鼻子下方,鼻梁和上唇之间的位置。
You have underneath the nose between your upper lip and your nose.
嘴巴下方,是嘴唇和下巴之间的凹陷处。
Underneath the mouth, which is the crease between your lip and your chin.
还有一个锁骨上的点。
You have the collarbone point.
摸到锁骨后,往两侧各往下按一英寸就是。
If you feel your collarbone, you go down an inch on either side.
你也可以用整只手来敲击。
You can also use your whole hand to tap.
手臂内侧有个点,距离腋下一掌宽的地方。
Then you have underneath your arm and it's a hand width from your armpit.
对女性来说,通常是在胸罩肩带的位置。
For ladies, it tends to be where your bra strap lies.
然后就是头顶正中央,也就是头顶的最高点。
And then you have the very top of your head right on the crown.
这九个点就是这些。
So these are the nine points.
我们还没讲到这个方法是怎么来的,我简单说一下,它起源于一位治疗师,卡勒汉医生。
What we didn't cover is how this started, which I'll say very quickly that it started with a therapist, Doctor.
他有一位叫玛丽的女患者,对水有严重的恐惧。
Roger Callahan, who had a woman, Mary, who had a water phobia.
他用了所有传统的疗法,但玛丽总说,我感觉那种恐惧是从胃里开始的。
And he was using all traditional types of therapy, but she kept saying, I feel it in my stomach.
那种恐惧就是从胃里冒出来的。
The phobia just starts in my stomach.
他当时正在研究按压疗法,于是就试着做了一些实验。
And he would say, he was studying acupressure and he just experimented.
他就说,咱们就刺激一下这个点,边说边轻拍。
And he said, let's just stimulate this point, just tap while you're talking.
就是这么一来,她终于有了突破。
And that's how she had a breakthrough.
所以,拍打疗法其实是从这种心理疗法和按压穴位的结合开始的。
So tapping really started with this combination of this psychology and the acupressure.
做拍打时,你得先说出自己当下的感受,但很多人抗拒这么做,总觉得‘我不该这样想’,总想强行正面思考,硬撑过去。
What you wanna do with capping is you wanna start by giving a voice to how you're feeling, which a lot of people are resistant to because they think, no, I don't wanna, you know, we just try to like talk or try to make ourselves be positive and push through.
但实际上,你的神经系统需要先感到安全。
But what's happening is that the nervous system needs to be to feel safe.
你得承认自己正在经历什么。
You have to recognize what you're experiencing.
你得给自己一个时刻,允许自己就停在这里,因为正是那些念头在引发焦虑。
You have to have a moment where you can just accept where you are because what's happening is you're triggering that thought that's creating the anxiety.
而拍打是在传递一种平静的信号,这才是让状态重新平衡的关键。
You're sending a calming signal and that's what recalibrates things.
你也可以用拍打来处理积极的事情,因为归根结底,它只是一个让你平静下来的信号。
You can also use tapping for something positive because again, it's only a calming signal.
所以当你想着积极的肯定语,同时配上这个平静的信号,就能真正地深入体会它。
So if you're thinking of a positive affirmation and you send this calming signal, you can really sink into it.
因此,它同样适用于正面的情境。
So you can use it for positive things.
在新发布的《穿普拉达的恶魔》预告片里出现了。
It's in the new Devil Wears Prada trailer.
艾米莉·布朗特在拍打。
Emily Blunt is tapping.
她说:‘愿我烧毁的桥梁之火,照亮我的前路。’
She goes, may the fire from the bridges I burned to light my way.
这可不是我那种拍打方式。
Not the kind of tapping I do.
但我提这个,是想说你可以对任何你想要的东西进行拍打。
But I simply say that because you can tap on what you want.
但这就是难点所在。
But this is the challenge.
人们总想直接跳到积极的一面,但你真的需要给自己一点时间,去正视当下的状态。
People sometimes want to go to the positive and you really want to give yourself a moment to honor where you are.
因为如果我跟你说,肖恩,正处在恐慌发作时,嘿,你没事的。
Because if I tell you, Sean, in the middle of a panic attack, hey, you're fine.
你对自己说:我很好。
Tell yourself, I'm good.
我没事。
I'm fine.
我还能撑住。
I'm okay.
可当你拍打的时候,内心某个部分却在说:根本不是这么回事。
While you tap, there's a part of you that's like, absolutely not.
但如果你愿意给自己一点时间,被看见、被承认,然后去拍打,转变才会真正发生。
But if you give yourself a moment to be seen, to recognize, to tap, that's when the shift happens.
那么,接下来我们来做一个体验。
So with that, we're going to have an experience.
我们只做两轮。
We're just going to do two rounds.
明白吗?
Okay?
对正在听和看的朋友们,我希望你们在心里跟着重复这句话。
So for those that are listening and watching, I want you to repeat this in your mind.
我会说一句话,你们在心里跟着重复,专注感受自己的状态。
So I'll say something, repeat it in your own mind and focus on your own experience.
我们先从手掌侧边开始,在这里轻拍。
So we're going to start on the side of the hand and tap here.
我建议你们一边拍,一边在心里对自己说。
I want you to say to yourself, actually, let's do this as we tap.
留意一下你身体此刻的感觉。
Notice how your body feels right now.
留意一下你有没有感到压力或紧张,给你的压力打个分,从零到十。
Notice if you're feeling any stress or tension and give your stress a number from zero to 10.
十分就是你压力特别大。
So 10 is like you're really stressed out.
零分就是你完全放松。
Zero, you're feeling calm.
这个分数只属于你自己。
This number is only for you.
感受一下你的状态,留意压力在身体的哪个部位最明显。
Notice how you feel, notice where you're carrying the stress in your body.
现在一边拍打手掌侧边,一边在心里跟着我重复。
And now tapping on the side of your hand, repeat after me in your mind.
尽管我还在紧抓着这份压力,但我承认自己的感受,并允许身体放松。
Even though I'm holding on to this stress, I acknowledge how I feel, and I give my body permission to relax.
这叫作引导语。
This is called the setup statement.
现在我们来轻敲眉毛的位置,给这种感觉一个表达。
We're gonna now tap on the eyebrow point and we're gonna give a voice to this feeling.
跟着我重复,或者你也可以只是听着:眼睛旁边,所有这些压力,我感受到的负担。
So repeating after me, or if you want to simply listen, all of this stress Side of the eye, all this pressure I feel.
眼睛下方,这些责任压得我喘不过气。
Under the eye, all these responsibilities.
鼻子下方,全是这种不确定感。
Under the nose, all of this uncertainty.
嘴巴下方,我承认这种压力确实存在。
Under the mouth, I recognize this stress.
锁骨位置,我承认这真的很难。
Collarbone, I acknowledge how hard it's been.
腋下,我对自己太苛刻了。
Under the arm and how hard I've been on myself.
头顶上,所有的压力都在这里。
Top of the head, all of this stress.
再回到眉毛的位置,我承认我现在的感觉。
Going back to the eyebrow point, I acknowledge how I feel.
眼睛旁边,我在这里,让身体知道。
Side of the eye, and I'm here to let my body know.
眼睛下面,即使我还没有所有答案。
Under the eye, that even though I don't have all the answers.
鼻子下面,现在可以安心放松了。
Under the nose, it's safe to begin to relax.
嘴巴下面,尽管事情一堆堆的。
Under the mouth, even with everything going on.
锁骨这里,现在可以放心放下了。
Collarbone, it is safe to begin to let go.
手臂下方,就算有这些压力,我依然是安全的。
Under the arm, even with this stress, I am safe.
头顶上,现在可以放松下来,找到更多的轻松。
Top of the head, it's safe to relax and to find more ease.
现在深吸一口气,再缓缓呼出来。
Now take a nice deep breath in and exhale.
你可以稍微感受一下自己的身体,也许可以动动肩膀放松一下。
You can just check-in with your body, maybe you want to move your shoulders around.
刚才这个过程很快,就做了两轮。
That was a very quick experience, just two rounds.
通常会发生两种情况之一。
And what tends to happen is one of two things.
要么你发现自己变得更平静了,有时候当我们开始拍打、声音变轻时,就像我之前拍打身体不适时那样,突然意识到:其实我不想好起来,因为我一旦不逼自己,就会充满内疚。
Either you notice yourself feeling more calm or sometimes as we begin to do the tapping and our voice quiets, what happens is what happened to me when I was tapping on feeling sick and all of a sudden I realized, actually, I don't wanna get better because I'm drowning in guilt if I'm not pushing myself.
然后拍打的重点就会转向处理这种情绪。
And then the tapping would shift to focusing on that emotion.
这真的很有帮助,因为你正在传递一种平静的信号。
So it really helps you because you're sending this calming signal.
同时你也处在一个充满关爱与平静的状态,慢慢就能觉察到:我真正需要的是什么?
You're also in a space where you can reflect in such a loving and calm way where you begin to have those moments to figure out, well, what do I really need?
我到底想怎么应对这件事?
How do I really want to navigate this?
所以,刚才就做了两轮。
So again, that was just two rounds.
你做 tapping 的次数越多,就越能在没有书在手、也没带手机用 app 的时候,自然地做起来。
And the more that you do the tapping, the more that you'll feel more comfortable doing it in those moments when maybe you don't have the book in your hand or you don't have your phone to use the app.
不过通常我们的练习大概十到十五分钟。
But usually our experiences are maybe ten or fifteen minutes.
是的,谢谢你,杰西。
Yeah, thank you, Jess.
真的太棒了。
Like, it's so awesome.
我说,我特别喜欢这种做法,先问问自己:你现在怎么样?
I mean, just again, I love the setup of just first checking in with yourself, where are you?
给自己打个分,因为效果看得见,你就能发现变化——比如你原来的问题是七分或六分,后来就降到了三分。
Give yourself a number, because again, the proof is in the pudding and you can see the change, maybe again, whatever you're dealing with is that a seven or a six, and then it goes to a three.
这简直就是铁证,证明你真的可以通过敲击来缓解这些问题,不管是什么在困扰你。
This is like proof positive that you can actually tap in and help to resolve some of this, whatever it is that you're dealing with.
我想特别问问你关于这一点。
And specifically, wanna ask you about this.
我们一提到神经系统,通常会想到心理和情绪方面的问题,但敲击法在缓解身体疼痛上也同样非常有效。
Obviously, when we think about the nervous system, we tend to think about mental and emotional related things, but this is also a very powerful application when it comes to physical pain as well.
是的。
Yes.
你能谈谈这之间的关系吗?为什么你们在书里也特别提到这一点?
Can you talk about that relationship and why you guys specifically address this in the book too?
它
It
这是我们不得不回应的一个问题,因为收到的反馈实在太强烈了。
was one of those things that we had to address because the feedback we get is absolutely overwhelming.
我觉得敲击法之所以传播这么广,是因为说焦虑减轻了听起来比较主观,但疼痛不一样——你疼就是疼,不疼就是不疼,效果清晰可见,甚至能改变人生。
And I think the reason that tapping has spread so much is that it's very subjective to say your anxiety went down, but pain is more real in the sense of you're in pain or you're out of pain and it is clear and it is life changing.
我们一次又一次看到,人们开始敲击后,都说偏头痛不再复发了。
And we see again and again that when people begin to tap, they say that their migraines stopped coming back.
他们的背痛也消失了。
Their back pain went away.
我们为这本书采访过一位叫加里的先生,他年纪比较大,他妻子听说了我们的方法,而他已经试遍了所有办法。
There was this gentleman, Gary, that we interviewed for the book and he also, he's an older gentleman and his wife heard about us and he had just tried everything.
他最后甚至到了要烧灼神经末梢的地步。
He got to the point where they were burning the nerve endings.
这是一种通过烧灼神经末梢来阻断痛觉信号的手术。
It's a procedure where you burn the nerve endings to help to stop the pain receptors.
他当时真的走投无路了。
So he was really desperate.
后来他开始尝试敲击法。
And he started using the tapping.
他说,第一次完整地做完这套敲击练习,疼痛就减轻了一半。
And he said that very first time where he really gave himself this full tapping experience, his pain went down almost by half.
之后他就每天都坚持做。
And then he kept doing it every day.
疼痛慢慢消失了,直到今天,他还在持续练习。
And his pain went down to zero to the point that to this day, he still taps consistently.
他把这方法告诉了自己的一位海军战友。
He shared this with one of his Navy brothers.
这位是位海军军人。
This is a Navy guy.
他的这位海军战友身上有个子弹伤。
So his this Navy brother had a has a bullet wound.
这事儿我真编不出来。
I mean, I can't make this up.
简直太不可思议了。
This is wild.
他以前在打猎时被枪打中背部,一直忍受着这种疼痛。
He was shot in the back in a hunting accident and has lived with this pain.
最大的困难是睡觉,因为疼痛让他整夜睡不着。
And the biggest challenge was sleeping because it was keeping him up at night.
他发现,拍打之后疼痛明显减轻,终于能睡着了。
And he found that the tapping lowered the pain levels enough that he was able to fall asleep.
所以对他来说,现在还是有困扰。
So in this case, he's still struggling.
疼痛依然存在,但每天晚上都能睡个好觉。
He still has some pain, but he can sleep every night.
这真的太不可思议了。
I mean, it's incredible.
我们看到有些人经历了惊人的转变,也有人常说:每次症状发作,我一拍打,症状就减轻了。
So we see people who are having these huge miraculous moments and then there's people who are like, Hey, every time I have a flare up of a symptom, I go to the tapping and it decreases my symptoms.
我觉得这始终跟皮质醇和压力脱不开关系。
And I think that always goes back to the cortisol and the stress.
我们真的低估了压力和情绪对身体的影响。
I think we're really underestimating how stress and how emotions impact our body.
是的,没错。
Yeah, yeah.
如果我们谈现在各种各样的流行病——确实有很多,但疼痛问题尤其严重,而制药行业又从中大肆获利,这些事大家早就耳熟能详了,比如阿片类药物危机。
And this is one of the biggest, if we're talking about all the different types of epidemics that we're experiencing today, which there's so many, but the pain epidemic and seeing the monetization of that by, you know, pharmaceutical industry and, you know, and we all know the stories by now with the opioid epidemic.
关键是要明白,我们其实已经掌握了解决方案,因为疼痛本身,说到底其实是身体在试图保护我们。
Just again, to really understand that there is a solution here that we already have access to, because that experience of pain again, our body ironically trying to protect us.
对。
Yes.
就算你的疼痛真的缓解了,心里还是会有恐惧,对吧?
And what happens is even if you can get a resolution with your pain, there's still a fear there, right?
这种恐惧会慢慢拖垮你的生活。
And this can start to debilitate you in your life.
如果我做这件事,肯定会疼。
If I do this thing, I'm gonna experience pain.
结果你真这么做了,疼痛果然又来了,哪怕你其实已经康复了。
And sure enough, you do the thing, you experience the pain, even though you might even be well.
所以,关键在于不只是解决急性症状,还要往更深层去挖掘,对吧?
And so, the applications here to again, to be able to not just address the acute symptom, but to dig deeper, right?
我们请电工来修,他说:‘问题出在这儿,但真正要做的,是重新布线。’
We get the electrician to come in and say, this is why we're experiencing this, but here's how we actually rewire it.
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And now back to the show.
还有一点值得注意,拍打疗法能积极影响基因表达。
Something that you also note, which is tapping positively influences gene expression.
这一点也已经被证实了。
And this has been noted as well.
各位,我们把这些惊人的研究结果都整理在一起了。
You guys, again, just compiling all of this incredible data.
这是一种非常强大的表观遗传调控方式。
This is a very powerful epigenetic controller.
所以这不只是表面上的改变,而是从基因层面真正改变了我们。
And so this isn't just, again, this kind of superficial change we see on the surface, this is changing us at the level of our genes.
没错,确实如此。
Yes, it is.
我的意思是,这项研究太惊人了。
I mean, this study is incredible.
我们每个人都有基因,但有些会开启,有些会关闭。
We all have, we have genes, but we have ones that turn on that and turn off.
他们发现,人们做完拍打后,检查那些基因标记,发现与炎症相关的基因活性降低了,免疫力却提升了。
And so what they found is after people did tapping, they looked at those gene markers and the genes associated with inflammation were down, immunity were up.
虽然研究规模很小,但它让我们看到了可能性。
And it was a very small study, but it's showing us what's possible.
所以我觉得,我们才刚刚开始触及这项研究的皮毛。
And that's why I really feel like we are just at the beginning of this research.
我注意到自己变化特别大,肖恩,咱们认识这么多年了。
And I've noticed such a change, Sean, like we've known each other for so many years.
当初我刚接触的时候,连为什么有效都说不清。
And back in the day when I first started, it was a I didn't even understand why it worked.
我们拍了一部纪录片,就是想展示前后对比。
We made a documentary film about this because we wanted to show the before and after.
但就连那部十八年前上映的影片里,我们其实也不清楚它为什么有效。
But even in that film that came out, you know, eighteen years ago, we didn't really have an idea of why it was working.
我们当时只知道经络系统,但自那以后,进展大得多了。
We knew about the Meridian system, but so much has evolved since then.
现在积累的研究越来越多,我看到很多过去对这个领域不屑一顾的地方,如今也开始认真对待了。
And the research has piled up that I see that a lot of places that have been closed off in the past are now taking a serious look at this.
我敢说,再过两年,这方面的应用一定会迎来爆发。
And I am predicting right now in two years from now where this really is going to explode.
我认为,尤其是对于治疗师来说,随着更多研究涌现,有责任把这种方法融入到实践中。
And I believe, especially for therapists, that it's as more research comes out, it's their responsibility to bring this in to.
这并不意味着你得全靠它,但它是个极强的工具,能和你现有的其他方法很好地结合。
And it doesn't mean you have to just, this is all you do, but this is such a powerful tool to incorporate it with all the other things that you're already doing.
从更宏观的角度看,它在我们生活和治疗中的作用实在太了不起了。
And to look at it in like the grand scheme of how we use it in our life, therapy is so incredible.
我们每周只做一次。
We do it once a week.
这种冥想非常有效,大量研究都表明它能增强心理韧性。
If that meditation, so powerful, many studies helps with resiliency.
当你正在经历恐慌发作时,很难静下心来冥想。
It's hard to meditate when you're having a panic attack.
但这个方法不一样,当你感觉焦虑完全控制了你、怎么也想不通的时候,它依然管用。
So this is the one tool that you can do when you really feel like the anxiety has hijacked you and you can't think your way out of it.
这就像每个人都该随身携带的应急工具。
It is like the emergency tool that everybody needs to have in their pocket.
是的,很多人都有类似的经历:我试过所有办法。
Yeah, this is one of those things where so often, so many of these stories is I tried everything.
对。
Yeah.
对,直到最后我找到了这个。
Right, and then I finally found this.
我想问问你,当我们敲击的时候,大脑里到底发生了什么?因为你手上还有一些非常有意思的数据,是关于肥胖和食欲的脑成像研究。
And I wanna ask you about what happens in the brain when we tap, because you also have some really fascinating data around and actually doing brain imaging around obesity and cravings.
说说这个。
Talk about that.
这项研究太惊人了。
This study was wild.
这是在澳大利亚邦德大学做的。
This was done at Bond University in Australia.
研究对象是临床上被认定为肥胖的女性。
It was a study with women who were clinically considered obese.
她们一直深受渴望食物的困扰。
They've struggled with cravings.
渴望是一种身体上的感受。
A craving is a physical experience.
当你强烈想吃东西时,很多减肥的人都会说:我知道不该吃,可就是控制不住。
When you have a tough craving and so many people who are trying to lose weight and they'll say, I just, I know I shouldn't, but I can't help it.
这是一种想扑向食物的生理反应。
It's a physical reaction to reach towards that food.
他们对这群女性做了这项研究,让她们进入核磁共振仪,然后开始展示她们特别渴望的高热量食物图片。
And they did this research study with this group of women and they put them in an fMRI machine and they started to show them those high calorie foods that they craved.
当你看到这些照片时,渴望的感觉就会被触发。
When you see a photo, the craving begins to turn on.
这正是广告的运作方式。
It's how commercials work.
你看到巨无霸从天而降,这设计就是为了勾起你的食欲。
You see the Big Mac falling from the sky and it's designed to help you have craving.
没错。
Exactly.
他们展示这些图片的时候,你会注意到——我们待会儿再提这一点——她们大脑中某些区域开始活跃起来。
And so they were showing those images and as they showed those images, you see, and we're gonna bring this up, you see parts of their brain activating.
她们不仅说有强烈的生理渴望,你还能在大脑里看到像烟花一样炸开的反应。
So not only are they saying they have a physical craving, but you see it like fireworks in their brain.
她们表示,这种渴望非常强烈。
And they're saying their craving is strong.
然后他们让这群女性进行了大约四周的敲击疗法。
Then they took this group and I think it was about four weeks of tapping.
他们还设了一个对照组。
And they also had a control group.
四周敲击结束后,女性们都说,我感觉自己更能掌控了。
And after four weeks of tapping, not only did the women say, I feel like I have more control.
这正是她们最常提到的一点。
That was the biggest thing that they were saying.
我更有控制力了。
I have more control.
她们还说,对食物的渴望明显减少了。
They said that their craving was down.
但最令人惊讶的是,她们再次被送进fMRI机器里,研究人员又给她们看了那些食物图片,结果大脑的反应完全不一样了。
But the fascinating thing is that they put them back in the EFT MRI machines and they showed them these images and their brains reactions were completely different.
那些区域不再像以前那样活跃了。
They were not lighting up the way that they did before.
这太重要了,因为它证明了拍打能改变大脑对刺激的反应方式。
This is so significant because it shows that tapping is changing the way that your brain reacts to a stimuli.
没错,这项研究是针对食欲的,但我认为它真正暗示的意义要大得多——当你对那些让你困扰的触发点进行拍打时,你的大脑会从根本上改变它的反应模式。
So yes, this was with cravings, but I think what it really implies is so much bigger that when you tap on a trigger on something that's struggling, your brain changes the way that it reacts.
这听起来好得让人难以置信,但有了这么多数据,我们一次又一次地确认了:这真的有效。
This again, it seems too good to be true and having all of this data now is just affirming, yes, it is true again and again and again.
我很好奇的是,为什么这种疗法一直被隐藏起来?
And the question is that I have for you is like, why has this kind of been hidden from us?
我们明明有能力改变身体对那些伤害我们、拖垮我们、制造压力并掌控我们生活的因素的反应,可这些方法却一直不为人知。
Like we have access to be able to change our body's response to the things that, you know, cause us harm, that debilitate us, that cause us these, you know, stressors that start to run and control our lives.
而其实,解决之道早就藏在我们身体里了。
And all along, we've had the solution just like built into us.
我们只需要去激活它就行了。
All we had to do was tap into it.
是的,我觉得原因就在于背后没有巨大的商业利益推动。
Yeah, I think the reason is because there's not big money behind it.
我觉得,当大药企和大资本介入时,研究方向就会被引导,背后总有别的目的。
I think when you have big pharmaceuticals and big money, the research gets pushed, there's different agendas.
情绪释放法就像一种顽强的生命力,怎么都压不下去。
Tapping has spread almost like this stubborn, like it won't go away.
对那些不喜欢它的人来说,它却在悄悄蔓延——因为总有人不停分享,跟嫂子说、跟朋友讲;那些曾经束手无策的治疗师,发现客户出现了明显的身体反应后,开始尝试引入这种方法,现在几乎每个客户都在用。
For those who don't like it, it's like it's spreading because there are people who won't stop talking about it, who share it with their sister-in-law and their friend, therapists who've been frustrated because they see their clients having these physical reactions now find that they can incorporate this and now every client is using it.
所以它是自然传播开来的。
So it's spreading very organically.
我觉得我们正逼近一个临界点,再想忽视已经不可能了。
And I think that we are getting to this critical mass that we can't be ignored.
我看到了,肖恩,过去这一年我清清楚楚地看到了。
And I see it, Sean, I see it in the past year.
现在不断有来自大学的人联系我,我根本没想到他们会关注这个,想研究我们的应用。
I have people reaching out that I would have never dreamed from universities who want to look at this, who want to look at our app.
值得注意的是,在很多研究中,参与者都是在专业人员指导下进行的。
I think something to note is that in a lot of these studies, they worked with a practitioner.
所以你是在有人引导下进行练习的。
So you work with someone who's leading you through it.
最让人惊讶的是,我和我兄弟们发现,很多人自己练也能见效。
And what's been amazing is that my brothers and I, we noticed that, well, people were getting results on their own too.
人们慢慢学会了怎么敲击。
People were learning how to tap.
尤其是在凌晨三点,他们被情绪困扰睡不着的时候,一用这个方法,真的就能放松下来。
And in those moments at 03:00 when they're triggered and they can't fall asleep, they're using it and they're getting a result.
于是我们开始制作这些敲击冥想音频,你只要点播放,就能跟着引导去觉察自己的感受,慢慢放下,释放安全信号。
So we started creating these tapping meditations where you can just press play and be led to think about what you're experiencing, to begin to let it go, to send that safety signal.
我之前提到的零到十级评分,最初是因为在治疗师面前练习时,大家习惯用这个方式来确认自己有没有进步。
And when I talked about that zero to 10 scale, it really started because in tapping, tend to do that when you're in front of a practitioner, just to see that you're moving in the right direction.
我们没想到,这套数据还能成为我们敲开大学校门的筹码——‘我们有一百万人在用,这是他们的反馈数据’。
We didn't realize that what that would also give us was these data points to be able to knock on the door of a university and say, hey, we have a million people who use this and look at these numbers.
这彻底改变了局面。
And so that's changed everything.
我写这本书的初衷是,我和我兄弟们觉得,如果非要选一本让人真正理解并感到安心的书,那非这本莫属——我们虽然写过几本,但这一本最值得读。
My hope, this book, I wrote this book, my brothers and I, we were like, if there was one book that people had to buy, we've written a few books, but if there's one book that you wanna read to get comfortable and truly understand it, this is the one.
即使你不想买这本书,我也希望你能回头听这个播客,把要点学明白,因为有时候,就像我一样,你可能在深夜不想让别人听见你哭的时候,只想找点安慰,而你根本不需要花钱就能用上这种方法。
And even if you don't buy this book, I hope that you just come back to the podcast and learn the points because sometimes you realize you need it like me when it's that moment when you don't want someone to hear you crying and you just need some relief and you don't need to spend money to use this.
这方法是你一辈子都用得上的,作为父母尤其有用。
It's something that you have forever and it's wonderful as a parent too.
孩子们特别容易被这种做法吸引。
Kids really gravitate towards this.
所以我真的特别希望每个人都能了解它,因为它太简单、太容易上手了,而且现在越来越多人在传,就是因为大家在分享自己的真实体验。
And so I, yeah, I just like I'm really passionate about just everyone knowing this because it's so easy, it's so accessible and it is spreading more and more because people are talking about it because they're sharing their results.
你知道吗,其实这种做法早就存在了,比如人体上那些特定的经络、神经丛——用现在更准确的说法,就是身体上一些关键点,像迷走神经,最近在文化中特别火,讲的是肠胃和大脑之间的连接,是条信息高速路,很多信号其实是肠胃在告诉大脑该怎么反应、怎么调整情绪。
Yeah, you know, the thing is this has been around forever, you know, like this access to certain, you know, meridians in the body, nerve bundles, as we more, you know, accurately say today, but just these certain points on the body that are closely related, like the vagus nerve is having a moment right now in our culture, where it's this gut brain connection and this information superhighway, where a lot of the data is kind of our gut informing our brain on, you know, what to do in the temperament.
我们的身体太神奇了,它内部有个精密的电系统,我们刚才也分析过,现在终于开始摸到门道了。
And so our bodies are incredible and there is this incredible electrical system as we kind of broke down, and we have an inroads into that now.
那这本新书里,读者能期待看到些什么呢?
And so what can people expect in the new book?
这本新书叫《重塑》, anywhere 书有售的地方都能买到。
The new book is Rewired, available everywhere the books are sold.
读这本书能期待些什么呢?
What can people expect with the book?
书名叫《重塑》,因为每一章都能帮你开始觉察那些你一直在重复的模式。
It's called Rewired because with every chapter, you're able to start to look at certain patterns you might be running.
有时候,这些模式是潜意识的。
And sometimes those patterns are subconscious.
如果你总拖延,却不知道原因,背后通常藏着某种信念或恐惧。
If you're dealing with procrastination and you don't know why, there usually is a belief or a fear.
你总找借口说还没准备好、需要再多做点研究、再多学点,这往往是一种恐惧反应。
The reason that you keep making excuses that you're not ready or you need to do more research or you need to study more, that's often a fear response.
所以,随着你逐章阅读,你可以开始反思自己的生活,看清自己,识别出那些反复出现的思维模式。
And so as you go through every chapter of the book, you can begin to reflect on your own life and see yourself and begin to recognize what are the thought patterns?
我陷入了哪些模式?
What are the patterns I'm in?
而且要明白,我们并没有出问题,只是在重复一些模式。
And realize that we're not broken, we're simply running patterns.
我想让大家记住的最重要的一点就是:你不必相信你脑子里冒出来的每一个想法。
And that's the biggest thing that I want people to take away is is knowing that you don't have to believe everything you think.
我再说一遍。
I'm going to say that again.
你不必相信你脑子里冒出来的每一个想法。
You do not have to believe everything you think.
如果你一直在告诉自己不够好、没能力、太老了、太年轻了,这些想法你完全不必当真。
So if you've been telling yourself you're not good enough, you're not capable, you're too old, you're too young, you don't need to believe those beliefs.
当你通过身体放松技巧让自己平静下来,整个世界都会为你打开。
And when you tap using the body and you feel calm, your whole world opens up.
太棒了。
Phenomenal.
顺便说一句,这本书的序言是由唯一一位托尼·罗宾斯写的。
The one and only Tony Robbins wrote the forward for this book, by the way.
而且你知道,当你的脑子停不下来,比如晚上想睡觉却一直胡思乱想,那些所谓的‘猴子思维’,针对各种恐惧、疼痛相关的问题,你都明确提到了如何处理这种能量。当你特别疲惫的时候,还有其他很多情况,比如别人让你抓狂——毕竟我们住在洛杉矶,堵车就是个典型例子,还有恐慌情绪,等等,应用场景真的太多了。
And, you know, you've got applications for when your mind won't shut up, you know, you're trying to sleep at night and you got all, you know, the quote monkey mind going on for addressing various fears for, again, issues related to pain, you explicitly address that energy, you know, when you're so tired, many other applications, when other people drive you crazy, like, you know, obviously we live in LA, so, you know, the traffic could be a thing, you know, panic, and just so many different applications.
那当我们对自己特别苛刻的时候呢?
What about when we're being hyper self critical?
这本书里你明确谈到了这么多问题,真的帮到了方方面面。
So it's just helping so many different things explicitly in the book, you're addressing these topics.
我强烈建议大家今天就去买一本。
And I encourage everybody to pick up a copy of this today.
这本书真的特别棒,故事也特别精彩。
This is a great read period, you know, incredible stories as well.
我一口气就看完了,根本没意识到时间过得这么快。
I breezed through it so fast, like before I knew it.
我真的非常感谢你。
And I appreciate you so much.
我们没提到的是,其实我认识你很久了,我们是在吉姆·奎克的精英社群里认识的,他可是《Model Health Show》里最常来的嘉宾。
You know, what we didn't share was like, again, I've known you for a while and we met at this mastermind, Jim Quick, who's been actually the most frequent guest here on the Model Health Show.
他能有这个节目,其实起了关键作用。
And he's a big reason for the initiation of this show being in existence.
他一路陪着我们走过这段旅程,后来他还拉了一群朋友,搞了个持续好几天的活动,大家聚在一起,第一天就认识了各种各样的人,个个都很有成就,各种精彩。
Like he's been there throughout, you know, this journey, but he got some friends together as a multi day thing, we were all hanging out, but day one, we're hanging out, it's all these different people and just, got successful and all these different stuff.
我当时就觉得,你可能是最接地气的那一个——我不是说唯一一个,但绝对是其中最自然的,我们俩一下子就聊到一块儿去了。
But I felt like you were like the only, not, let me not say the only, but the most normal person and we just linked up.
对,我们俩一见如故,勾肩搭背,跟一群人混在一起,一起经历这些事。
Yeah, we know, we just linked up, we were like arm and arm and we're like hanging out with all these people and going through these experiences together.
那时候我就觉得你特别棒,这不仅是你这个人了不起,更是因为你对自己下了功夫,让我觉得特别安心——我本身就算挺有安全感的人,但跟你在一起,那种连接感是立刻就有的。
And so, knew that you were amazing person then, and, you know, this is a testament to who you are, but also the work you've done on yourself to make me feel safe, you know, and I'm a pretty safe feeling guy, you know, but just like there's this immediate attachment.
我觉得你真的非常特别。
And so I think you're so special.
我特别感谢你和你兄弟们做的这些事,让这么棒的工具能被这么多人接触到。
And, you know, I just appreciate the work that you're doing and your brothers and just providing access to this incredible tool.
谢谢你,肖恩。
Oh, thank you, Sean.
我想分享一个小故事,我之前跟你说过,但我想正式说一下:我现在正住在我在加州最好的朋友家。
And I wanna share one quick story, which is I did tell you this, but I'm gonna put this, I need this on the record that I'm staying with my best friend in California.
今天早上我们去海滩散步,我跟她说了我有多兴奋能来到这里。
And we went on a walk this morning on the beach and I was telling her how excited I was to be able to be here.
我们俩聊起了各自有多崇拜你。
And we were both talking about what fans we were.
她告诉我,她给你写的《更聪明的睡眠》买了好几本,因为她开公司,就给所有员工每人一本。
And she said to me that she bought your book, Sleep Smarter, for all of her she runs a company and she got it for her employees.
她说她多年来一直给员工买书。
And she said she has been buying books for employees for years now.
她回过头看,发现对员工生活、幸福感、工作表现,还有彼此相处方式影响最大的一本书,就是你的《更聪明的睡眠》。
And when she looks back, the book that made the biggest difference in their lives, in their happiness, in their performance, in the way that they treated each other was reading your book Sleep Smarter.
这有多厉害啊?
How powerful is that?
太厉害了。
So powerful.
这有多厉害啊?
How powerful is that?
就像我之前说的,回想起十多年前的那个精英小组,我就是在那儿认识了我的文学经纪人,真没想到《睡得更聪明》会走到这一步。
And as I shared too, like going back, it was that mastermind all those years ago, over a decade ago, where I met my literary agent, you know, it's just it's crazy for Sleep Smarter.
我们之间有这么深的联系,我真的特别感谢你。
Like, we're so connected and I appreciate you so much.
《重塑大脑》这本书在所有卖书的地方都能买到。
Rewired everywhere books are sold.
你还有没有其他地方想让大家关注你?
Is there anywhere else you want people to connect with you?
你们可以在 Instagram 和 Facebook 上关注我们,账号是 The Tapping Solution。
You can follow us at The Tapping Solution on Instagram and Facebook.
我们的 YouTube 频道也很棒,欢迎大家来试试、来互动,也别忘了分享给朋友。
We have a great YouTube channel, but reach out, tap, try it, share it with friends.
谢谢你给我这个机会在这里分享这些。
And thank you for letting me share it here.
当然啦,咱们已经进入状态了。
Of course, we're tapped in baby.
对。
Yeah.
这位就是独一无二的杰西卡·奥特纳,各位。
The one and only Jessica Ortner, everybody.
非常感谢大家今天收听这一期节目。
Thank you so much for tuning into this episode today.
希望你们从中学到了不少有用的东西。
I hope that you got a lot of value out of this.
这种技巧对我们来说,简直是超级英雄工具箱里的必备神器。
This is such a valuable tool for us to have in our superhero utility belt.
我强烈建议你们进一步深入了解,多加练习这项强大的方法,关注杰西卡的作品,读一读她的新书《Rewired》。
And I highly encourage you to get a little bit more expertise, get a little bit more verse in utilizing this powerful technique by following Jessica's work, checking out the new book Rewired.
当然,网上还有很多非常棒的视频可以参考。
Of course, there's a ton of incredible videos online as well.
她分享了一些资源,我们也会在节目笔记里给你们整理一份。
She shared some resources and we'll put some resources for you in the show notes as well.
但还有很多了不起的工具,比如这种技术,在治疗创伤后应激障碍等病症的临床试验中效果惊人。
But there are so many incredible tools like to find a technique that can be so remarkably effective in clinical trials for things like PTSD.
我们之前提到的那项研究中,有效率高达百分之九十以上。
We're talking about upwards of ninety percent effectiveness in the particular study that we covered earlier.
这可是权威的同行评审期刊,分量十足。
Again, this is a major prestigious peer reviewed journal.
这种技术再也不能被忽视了。
Like this cannot be overlooked any longer.
不管你正面临什么问题,不亲自试试,你永远不知道它能带来多大的帮助。
And with whatever you might be dealing with, you never know how effective this might be in support of that until you try it.
所以真的非常感谢你们的支持。
So again, I appreciate you so much.
如果喜欢这期内容,别忘了分享给你在乎的人。
If you enjoy this, please share this out with somebody that you care about.
你可以直接从你正在听的播客应用里转发这条内容。
You could send this directly from the podcast app that you're listening on.
当然,你也可以截个图,发到社交媒体上。
Of course, you could take a screenshot of the episode and share it on social media.
记得@我,我的账号是seanmodel。
Tag me, I'm seanmodel.
也别忘了@杰西卡·奥特纳。
Of course, tag Jessica Ortner as well.
我知道她看到这份支持一定会特别感动。
I know that she would be blown away to see that love.
接下来我们还有一系列超棒的大师课和世界级专家要登场,听好了,你可能以为这就结束了。
Well, we've got some incredible, incredible masterclasses and world leading experts coming your way, including, listen up, you thought we were done.
《Model Health Show》第1000期马上就要来了。
Episode 1,000 of The Model Health Show is coming up here soon.
我们为你准备了一些特别的东西。
We've got something very special in store for you.
记得在社交媒体上关注我。
Make sure to follow me on social media.
我在Instagram上的账号是seanmodel,那天我们会全程直播。
I'm seanmodel on Instagram, because we're gonna be live streaming that whole day.
我会带你们看看Model Health Show演播室里到底在发生什么。
I'm gonna show you what's actually going down in the Model Health Show Studios.
我们请了一些特别嘉宾,绝对不能错过。
We got some special guests coming through, so you're not gonna wanna miss that.
所以再次提醒,去Instagram关注SeanModel,及时获取最新动态。
So again, follow me on Instagram at SeanModel to stay up to date.
另外,做好准备吧。
And again, just be ready.
后面还有更多惊喜等着你。
We got so much more in store.
保重。
Take care.
祝你今天过得特别棒,我们很快再聊。
Have an amazing day, and I'll talk with you soon.
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