希尔与赫伯特：2026年F1冠军会是谁？达蒙和约翰尼的评判

他能做到吗？

Can he do it?

让丹尼来做吧。

Let Danny do that.

如果我做到他去年的成绩，他展现出了最突出的优势之一——稳定性，这种稳定性在排位赛中也体现得非常明显。

Now if I do what he achieved last year, he showed probably one of the strongest strengths, consistency And that consistency was there in qualifying.

他几乎整个赛季都稳定在第六、第七、第八名，始终处于那个位置。

He was always sort of sixth, seventh, eighth, there were there were their routes for for the majority of the of the season.

但他也能稳定地拿到积分。

But he was also able to get points consistently as well.

凭借更多一点的经验，他 consistently 比劳森表现得更好。

He was consistently ahead of Lawson as well with that little bit more experience.

奇怪的是，当他参加F2时，人们可能根本没怎么提到他。

He probably wasn't someone that was on the tip of people's tongues when he was doing f two, strangely enough.

他在F2期间过得不错，但从未赢得过冠军。

He had a good a good time in in f two, never won the championship.

但我认为他让很多人感到惊讶，可能也包括我自己，因为我很欣赏他在团队中的工作态度，那就是不断努力。

But I think he surprised so many so many people, probably including myself, because I did like his work ethic within the team, which was just keep on pushing.

这有点像我们之前提到的。

It's a little bit like we alluded to earlier on.

他似乎明白了。

He seemed to be you got it.

提到过。

Alluded to.

他去了

He went to

我没有，我听他说了。

I don't I listened to him.

你在听啊。

I'm you were listening.

我很惊讶你居然在听。

I'm quite impressed you were listening.

但不管怎样，我已经克服了这一点。

But, anyway, I got got over that one.

是的，正如我们之前讨论的那样。

And, yes, it was so it was like we were talking about.

他似乎能够提供他们所需的信息，使他们能够生产出他在赛道上所达到的成果。

He seemed to be able to be the one that was giving them the information that they needed to be able to produce what he was producing on the racetrack.

这无疑是他能带到红牛车队的优势，但这正是马克斯以更大规模在思考的事情。

Now that's a strength that he can take to Red Bull for sure, but that's exactly what Max is thinking in a much bigger, bigger way.

过去一年里，马克斯成熟了吗？

Now has Max matured over the last year?

我会说，绝对成熟了。

I would say absolutely yes.

我非常高兴。

I was so pleased.

关于阿布扎比最后一场比赛，大家都在谈论如何支持所有人，试图以此赢得冠军。

There was all the talk about the the last race in Abu Dhabi about backing everybody up and trying to get the championship won that way.

他根本没接近那个程度。

He didn't go anywhere near that.

他只是出去后彻底碾压了所有人。

He just went out and blew everybody out of the water effectively.

看到这一幕真是太棒了，只能说

It was wonderful to see just to say

我的意思是，当他说到如果我有迈凯伦，我早就赢下这个冠军了，我某种程度上同意他的看法。

I mean, I have to say, when when he said I would have had this championship won way before anyone else if I had the McLaren, I kind of agree with that.

是的。

Yeah.

木瓜。

The papaya.

如果木瓜对马克斯产生了影响，那会很有趣。

It would have been interesting how the papaya would have come into effect with Max

所以，不管怎样，你说得对。

So being anyway, no, you're right.

我认为他可以。

I think he can.

你所说的他的个性是一个因素。

What you're talking about is his personality is a factor.

你说艾萨克·哈吉尔的个性很有吸引力。

You're saying Isaac Hajjar's personality is engaging.

必须如此。

Got to be.

是的。

Yes.

我认为车队喜欢和这样的人合作，这一点很重要。

I think the teams like to work with someone like that, he's got That's important.

是的。

Yeah.

所以他可不是一个安静的小老鼠。

So he's not a quiet little mouse.

他是一个表达丰富但不咄咄逼人的人。

He's someone who is expressive without being abusive.

是的。

Yeah.

你知道吗，我觉得他的一些广播留言有点古怪，但他可能没料到会有人认真听。

You know, I thought he was some of his radio messages were a little bit fruity, but he probably didn't expect everyone to listen to them.

不不不。

No no no.

是的，但你确实需要这种人。

Yeah, but you need that though.

有时候，你需要有人来质疑正在发生的事情。

You need that sometimes for someone to question what's going on.

是的。

Yeah.

并促使他们思考。

And to make them think.

再说一遍，这回到了你之前说的，就是让他们思考，也许我们在战略上的决策并不正确，或者其他什么问题。

Again, goes back to what you said, it's making them think, well, maybe we're not doing the right call on strategy or whatever it may be.

所以这是你作为领导者需要做到的。

So it's you a driver needs to do that.

马克斯会这么做吗？

Does Max do that?

会。

Yes.

刘易斯在他巅峰时期会这么做吗？

Did Lewis do it in his in his heyday?

会。

Yes.

所有伟大的车手都曾如此。

All the greats

都习惯于这样做。

have been used to do it.

就是这种热情。

It's that enthusiasm.

当事情顺利时，他会向团队展示自己有多么高兴和兴奋，这种情绪也会感染他们。

When things go well, he's showing the team how delighted he is and how excited and then that that infects them as well.

他们也从中感到兴奋。

They get a kick out of it too.

他度过了一个出色的赛季。

He did a great season.

但接下来的挑战更大。

But it's it's big next.

这是提升了一个层次吗？

It is it one level more?

这几乎像是提升了三个层次。

It's almost like it's three

提升了三个层次。

levels more.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

压力来自于家庭环境，这一点做得很好，非常好。

It's and that's where the pressure becomes from a family environment, and it's well done well done.

那个周末取得第六名、第四名或 whatever 的成绩，真是非常好的结果。

That was a great weekend getting sixth place or fourth place or whatever it may have been, that was a really good result.

但你并不指望每次都能这样。

But you're not expecting that to happen every time.

所以期望值非常非常不同。

So the expectations are very very different.

而且他某种程度上会成为团队的替罪羊，不是吗？

And also he's sort of gonna be the whipping boy for the team, isn't isn't he?

你知道，那些成绩。

You know, the the results.

他能做到的最好表现，也不过是马克斯给他的一个安慰式的拍头吧？

He is going to be the best he can do is a is a pat on the head from Max, isn't it?

团队也会说，你已经尽了全力。

And the team sort of going, you you did all you could.

是的。

Yeah.

我认为他必须接受，在这个团队里，马克斯说了算，而他只是个配角。

I think he's he's going to have to accept that in that team, Max rules, and he's there as a supporting act.

关键在于，作为一名竞争者，你能否接受这一点。

And it's whether you can get your head around that as a competitor.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，马克斯会这么做吗？

Because I mean, would Max do that?

不会。

No.

不。

No.

绝对不行。

Absolutely not.

换句话说，

So in other words,

如果你能接受排名第二，你是否具备赢得世界冠军的素质？

are you are you world championship material if you can accept coming number two?

我的意思是，如果他要在红牛车队做这份工作，他必须承认：好吧。

I mean, has to be seen as if he's gonna go and do this job at Red Bull, he's gonna have to say, okay.

我在这里是为了提升自己、学习，以便将来某时成为第一。

I'm here to strengthen myself, to learn in order to be number one at some point somewhere.

如何在不打乱局面的情况下传达这一点？

How do communicate that without upsetting the apple cart?

是的。

Yes.

嗯，‘打翻马车’这个说法挺有意思。

Well, the apple cart is an interesting one.

当我还在本宁顿与迈克尔共事时，我记得我写过一篇文章，说我想在今年赢得世界冠军，结果大约两小时内，德国就出现另一篇文章，迈克尔回应说，如果他以为自己能赢得今年的世界冠军，那就大错特错了。

When I was with Michael at Bennington, I remember I did an article somewhere and I said I wanna be world champion this year And I think within about two hours, there was another article that came out in Germany that Michael responded to sort of say, if he thinks he's gonna win the world championship this year, he's got another thing coming.

那后来发生了什么？

And what happened?

而他在这一点上完全说对了。

And he was absolutely right on that front.

后来迈克尔·舒马赫和埃迪·欧文搭档时，埃迪·欧文做了什么？

Then with Michael Schumacher again with Eddie Irvine, what did Eddie Irvine do?

他一开始就认定自己是二号车手。

He went into it thinking, am number two.

是的。

Yes.

没错。

He did.

是的。

Yeah.

那可能是他做过的最聪明的事，因为他非常接近赢得那年的世界冠军，哦，他本来有

And that was probably the smartest thing he ever did because he very close to winning that world championship in Oh, he had

夜班。

night shift.

嗯，他得让迈克尔把腿摔断才行。

He well, he had to have Michael had to break his leg.

不。

No.

我知道。

I know.

我知道他

I know he

得摔断

had to break

他的腿。

his leg.

是的。

Yes.

但他的表现是，嗯。

But his performances were Yeah.

非常好，你知道的。

Very, you know, pretty good.

想象一下，埃迪某天深夜走进车库，破坏了刹车系统，就是导致迈克尔赛车出问题的那个部件。

Have this image of Eddie going in the garage late one night undoing the brake, whatever it was that failed on Michael's car.

是的。

Yes.

但没错，他当时确实有争夺世界冠军的希望。

But, yeah, but he was in contention for the world championship.

是的。

Yeah.

是。

Was.

但他那段时间总是有一些非常出色的比赛，我认为在法拉利的环境中，因为他接受了迈克尔是一号车手的地位，这让他在车队中的整体感受轻松了许多。

But he was always, you know, he had some very very good races in that period, but I think within the environment of Ferrari, because he'd accepted Michael was number one, That sort of made his whole feeling within the team much easier to deal with.

是的。

Yeah.

而且迈克尔可能更开放一些。

And probably Michael was probably more open.

更开放。

More open.

是的。

Yes.

没错。

Exactly.

因为他接受了这个人会帮助我，而不是试图挑战我。

Because he he's accepted that that you this is the guy who's gonna help me, not not try and challenge me.

所以我认为你得稍微玩点这种游戏，这就是你不得不做的事情。

So I think you have to play a little bit of that game, and that's what happens when you have to do.

这场对话永远不会从一级方程式开始，因为你有两个锦标赛，而这两个锦标赛就像两条平行线，永远不会交汇，你知道的。

This conversation will never start with Formula one because you have two championships, and the two near the twain shell mix, you know, well.

是的。

Yes.

它们就像油和水。

They're like oil and water.

是的。

Yeah.

车手锦标赛才是大家都会关注观看的赛事。

If drivers' championship, that's the thing that everyone turns on to watch.

这才是全球每个人都想知道谁是F1世界冠军的关键所在。

That's the thing that everyone globally wants to know who is the Formula One world champion.

从来没有人会问谁是车队锦标赛的冠军。

That no one ever asks who the constructive championships champions are.

不。

No.

这对车队来说是有意义的，对行业也是如此。

And it's a meaningful thing to the teams, and it's a meaningful thing to industry and so forth.

是的。

Yeah.

所以他能做到吗？

So can he do it?

能。

Yes.

他必须玩对这个游戏才能做到吗？

Has he got to play the right game to be able to do it?

可能明年不行。

Probably not next year.

在未来几年里，我想大概是的。

In the next couple of years, I would say probably.

嗯，我们会感兴趣地关注，对吧？

Well, we'll watch we'll watch with interest, won't we?

是的。

Yeah.

这将会非常有趣地

It's gonna be very interesting to

看看哈里如何应对。

see Harry copes.

希望他不会是另一个被吞噬的人，

Hopefully it's not another one that gets chewed,

但那只是预感。

but that's psychic.

这种情况仍然很有可能发生。

There's still a good chance that might happen.

我觉得你说的是，这关乎他心理上的应对方式。

Think what you're saying is it's how he deals with it psychologically.

是的，确实如此。

Yeah, it is.

因为如果你原本期待能击败马克斯，但后来发现做不到，那可能会让人崩溃。

Because if you had expected to beat Max and then you found out you couldn't, then that can be crushing.

但如果他清楚自己所处的境况，当然，赫马彻医生也不再在那里了。

But if he understands the terms in which he's going in, and of course doctor Hemmarcher no longer being there.

是的。

Yeah.

这是一个很大的举动。

That's a big gesture.

我认为劳伦·麦克试图更理解他，是的。

I think that Lauren MacK is is actually a more understanding Yeah.

去和他谈谈。

To talk to him.

是的。

Yeah.

嗯。

Yeah.

这会很有帮助。

That's gonna be very helpful.

嗯。

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

你好。

Hi.

我是朱丽叶。

I'm Juliette.

我是乔勒。

I'm Joelle.

我们来自《纽约时报》游戏团队。

We're from the New York Times games team.

我们在这里和粉丝们聊聊我们的游戏。

And we're here talking to fans about our games.

玩我们的游戏时，你的感受是怎样的？

What's your vibe when you're playing one of our games?

它让我觉得我在以一种非常高效的方式拖延。

It makes me feel like I'm procrastinating in a really productive way.

它正好挠到了我大脑里的痒点。

It just scratches an itch in my brain.

你有固定的流程吗？

Do you have a routine?

我和我男朋友在进行异地恋。

I'm doing long distance with my boyfriend.

我们每天晚上都会打电话，共享屏幕。

We'll call every night and share our screen.

我们会玩连接、迷你游戏，然后是条纹。

We do connections, the mini, and then strands.

总是按这个顺序。

Always in that order.

哎呀。

Aw.

你有最喜欢的吗？

Do you have a favorite?

迷你模式。

The mini.

我们努力把它控制在三十秒以内。

We try and get it under thirty seconds.

我们很少能低于三十秒，但这一直是我们的目标。

We rarely get it under thirty, but that's always the goal.

很多人会给自己计时，但玩拼字游戏时，我会给自己一整天的时间。

Folks will really time themselves, but with Spelling Bee, I give myself all day.

当上蜂后真的很有趣。

It is really fun getting queen bee.

嗯。

Yeah.

嗯。

Yeah.

我玩这个。

I play it

当我孩子要睡觉的时候。

when my kids are going to bed.

你们一起玩吗？

Do you guys play together?

我女儿玩。

My daughter plays.

她喜欢玩Wordle。

She likes playing Wordle.

如果你某天错过了，还有往期存档。

If you ever miss a day, there's also archives.

知道这个真是太好了。

That's so great to know.

而且你们也有用于社交连接的功能。

And you have it for connections as well.

天哪，帮帮我。

Lord, help me.

我每天都会一直做这个。

I'm just gonna be doing that all day, every day.

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对。

Right.

谁会准确执行这些规定，或者谁会严重搞错？

Who will nail the regulations, or who will get them considerably wrong?

谁只是……嗯，立即浏览一下。

Who just Well, immediate perusing.

我的意思是，我们都期待阿德里安·纽维能像他一贯擅长的那样，看透这些规则，设计出一辆绝对的‘火箭车’。

I I I mean, we all expect Adrian Newey to have seen through the regulations as he's famous for doing and come up with an absolute, you know, rocket ship.

但这些规则可是一大堆啊，不是吗？

But I mean, it's a whole bag of regulations, isn't it?

足足150页的技术规则，详细描述了一辆现代一级方程式赛车。

150 pages worth of technical regulations describing a modern Formula One car.

里面肯定有某个漏洞。

There's got to be a loophole in there somewhere.

当然有。

Oh for sure.

而且他们一定会找到它。

And they will find it.

正如我之前说的，人们期待阿斯顿·马丁会找到某个突破口。

The expectation, as I said then, is Aston Martin will find somewhere.

阿德里安一定会找到某个突破口。

Adrian will have found something.

问题是：这些新车能否基于之前的规则平台进行构建？

The question is: is there anything of a platform with the previous regulations that these cars can build on?

赛车之间的差异其实不大，就是一些数字上的调整，比如车体短了200毫米，窄了100毫米，轮胎略有不同、重量更轻，动力单元的技术细节，以及更依赖动力和电池包。

The difference between the cars is okay, a few numbers, you know, it's a bit shorter, 200 millimeters shorter, 100 millimeters narrower, slightly different tyres with slightly lighter weight, the technical bit with the power unit and so forth and being much more reliant on the power, the battery pack.

这些都是技术层面的问题，我们尚不清楚这些方面是否存在什么神奇的漏洞，但我

Those are technical things that we'll find out whether there's a magic loophole in those, but I

我的意思是，去年年底我们不是就遇到过一个压缩方面的例子吗？

mean in Well, we had one at the end of last year, didn't we, with a compression?

是发动机上的吗？

On the engine?

对。

Yeah.

所以那算是我们最早听说的一个案例。

So that's sort of was first one we heard.

所以，是的，很多发动机方面的人员在车队之间流动。

So, yes, a lot of engine lots of people have been moving from team to team.

因此，出现了想法的交叉融合，一些人结束了保密合同，不再受限制。

So you've got cross fertilization of ideas, and people have come out of their contracts where they weren't allowed to divulge.

他们之前受保密条款约束，不能向车队透露信息。

They would have been under confidentiality clauses saying they couldn't have spoken to the teams and given information.

他们如何监管这一点，我不知道，但反正你知道的。

How they police that, I don't know, but anyway, you know.

车队确实做到了。

The team did.

我一直对了解其中的原理感到着迷。

I've always been fascinated knowing how.

在牛津郡有很多茶馆，人们在那里进行了这类收购。

There's lots of tea shops in Oxonshire where people have gone in with kind of those sort of buyouts.

连帽衫和连帽衫。

Hoodie and a hoodie.

是的。

Yeah.

我在招聘一位专家。

Well, I'm casting a specialist.

我确信他们都一直守口如瓶，直到能开口为止。

I'm sure they all keep their knives to them until they're able to talk.

当然，一旦他们开始透露信息，比如他们来自本田，然后去了另一个团队，比如红牛动力总成或梅赛德斯，他们就会从一个团队转到另一个团队。

And of course, once they start to talk and they come from, say, let's say Honda, and let's say they go to a different team, Red Bull Powertrains or something like that, or then Mercedes, they go, they swap over and they go from one operation to the next.

到处流动，没错。

Move around, yep.

他们会被像冷战时期的间谍那样进行审讯。

And they get debriefed a bit like the spies in, you know, in the Cold War.

他们会把他们关在房间里，大概会盘问上不知多长时间。

They put them in a room and probably grill them for I don't know how long.

但信息还是会泄露出来，其中一件事就是压缩比。

But then the information leaks out, and one of the things was this compression ratio.

我们的团队，有些车队的动力单元制造商在发动机变热时会提高压缩比。

Our teams, some teams, power unit manufacturers generating a compression ratio that is higher when it gets warm.

当它变热时。

When it gets warm.

所以测量这种方式非常困难，因为在高温下很难测量这样的数据。

So the way they measure it, of course it's very difficult to measure something like that when it's hot.

因此，当他们在冷态下测量压缩比时，无论法规要求是多少，比如16:1或18:1，它就是那个数值。

So when they measure the compression ratio cold, it's whatever it is, eighteen sixteen to one or whatever, what the regs say it has to be.

而当发动机变热时，部件会膨胀，比如连杆的尺寸也会变化。

And then when the engine gets warm, things expand, things like the Conrod measure.

这正是我们刚才讨论的内容。

That's exactly what were discussing.

是的。

Yeah.

你们是怎么让它膨胀的？

What you do to try and make expand?

君爵会使得

The Commodore would make the

最棒的君爵只需要在受热时延长几微米左右，当然，所有东西遇热都会膨胀。

most Well Commodore would just, all you need to do is be lengthen it by a kind of few microns or something under heat, which of course is everything expands with heat.

问题是燃烧室也会膨胀，所以实际上压缩比应该会降低，有些部件会收缩，但膨胀速度不同。

The trouble is the combustion chamber also expands, so it should actually reduce, So some things will reduce, but expand at different rates.

是的。

Yes.

总之，所以

Anyway So

这些东西，对吧？

stuff, isn't it?

总之，问题是当发动机运行时——显然这是有实际意义的时候，冷车时没什么用——它的压缩比是否更高，从而输出更多动力？

Anyway, so the question is when it's running, which is obviously when it's useful, it's no good when it's cold, Is it got a higher compression ratio therefore delivering more power?

他们找到了漏洞吗？

Have they found a loophole?

如果这个问题被提出来了，就意味着其他制造商已经听说了。

If it's been raised as a question, it means the other manufacturers have got wind of it.

看起来确实如此，如果一直在进行的话，真想知道结果会怎样。

It seems to be, yeah, to have So been going it'd be fascinating to see where

那会是怎样的情况。

that is.

所以这可能什么也不是，可能会不了了之，但当新车发布时，我们肯定会看到这类事情发生。

So it it might it might be nothing, it might fizzle out, but we are going to see this sort of stuff going on when cars are revealed.

FIA，为了让你们了解，FIA 通常会对每辆车的情况有所掌握，因为通常车队必须提交他们计划采取的措施，如果有任何疑问，FIA 会说：这不符合我们的本意。

The FIA, just so you people know, the FIA will have an idea of what each car is doing because they have an overarching quite often what happens is the teams have to submit what they're planning to do if there's any doubt, and then the FIA will say, that's not what we intended.

你不被允许这么做，这是一项适用于所有车队的普遍规定。

You're not allowed to do that, and that's a blanket rule that will go across all the teams.

有时他们会提交一些提议，FIA 会说：你们可以这样理解，但随后他们不会告诉其他车队自己在做什么。

Sometimes they will submit some suggestion, and they'll go, we're not you could look at it like that, and then they will not tell the other teams what they're doing.

因此，FIA 拥有一种非常有趣的上帝视角，能够知道在现阶段谁可能拥有优势，或者谁可能发现了什么。

So the FIA, a very interesting kind of God's eye view position of knowing who might have an advantage at this stage, or might have seen something.

他们不会确切知道他们在做什么，但他们知道他们在就关于

They won't know exactly what they're up to, but they will know that they're asking questions about the

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

因为对于不了解的人来说，有趣的是，当他们进行发动机测功机测试时，所有这些数据实际上都会提交给国际汽联，这样他们就能大致了解各车队做了什么、做了多久，风洞测试也是如此。

Because because the the interesting thing with that, for people who don't know, is when when they do the dyno testing for the engine, all that data effectively goes to the FIA so they can sort of understand what they've been doing, how long they've been doing it for, and the wind tunnel was exactly the same.

所以他们知道所有正在发生的事情，实际上对维修区里每一个车队都有大量的信息。

So they know everything that's going on, and they have so much information actually of every single team down the pit lane.

还有燃料也是如此。

And the fuels as well.

今年它们100%是可持续的。

They're 100% sustainable this year.

是的。

Yeah.

所以这将是一项非常艰巨的任务，我的意思是，他们必须理解所有这些燃料的化学成分。

So there's gonna be, there's kind of very difficult, I mean, they've a massive job because they've got to understand that the chemical makeup of all these.

但这不是推迟了吗？

But it was a delay, wasn't it?

如果你记得，他们几年前就说过这件事会发生，但后来推迟了。

If you remember, they were talking about it happening a couple of years ago and it got delayed.

我认为当奥迪最初提到要加入时，就把时间推迟到了今年。

I think when Audi first sort of spoke about coming in, and they delayed it for the for this year.

当然，我们还没提到奥迪，对吧？

Of course, haven't mentioned Audi, have we?

没有。

No.

所以就是这样。

So there you go.

另一个动力单元，是的。

Another power unit Yes.

即将亮相，历史性地首次登场？

About to make its appearance, its debut appearance Historically?

20，非常好

20 very, very well

在方程式中。

in formulas.

所以我不知道答案。

So I don't know the answer.

不，约翰尼。

Nope, Johnny.

我的意思是，正如我所说，我们之前就知道，年龄和大量因素都是预期之内的。

Mean, you know, we know on previous form, as I said, age and lots are expected.

不能排除红牛，但他们失去了很多人，这些人去了不同的车队。

You can't rule out Red Bull, but they've lost a lot of people, have gone to different teams.

索伯车队肯定，我的意思是，他们与奥迪合作重建，掌握了一些见解。

Sauber definitely, I mean, big upon Audi on rebuild, they've got some insights.

但法拉利才是最重要的。

But Ferrari are the big one.

法拉利是一个自给自足的车队，因为我们认为他们的信息与其他车队交叉不多。

Ferrari are self contained team insomuch as we don't think there's so much crossover of information.

他们更像是一个孤立的团队，我们不知道他们暗中准备了什么。

They're very much a kind of in silo type place, we don't know what they've got up their sleeve.

不，但他们确实为此长期投入，正如弗雷德·瓦瑟尔常说的那样。

No, But they have been working for a long time on this, as famously Fred Vasseur said.

是的。

Yes.

他们放弃了25年的赛车。

They they gave up on the '25 car.

看起来像是很久以前的事了。

It looked like Long time ago.

看起来确实是这样。

It looked like it.

所以刘易斯也是。

So so did Lewis.

总之，所以

Anyway, so

他有很多人放弃了

he's lot of them giving up on

那个。

that one.

梅赛德斯也是，因为对于梅赛德斯，人们一直认为几个月来他们一直拥有最好的动力单元和冰包。

Mercedes as well, because a Mercedes you always expect rumors are always have been going for a good few months that they've got the best sort of power unit ice package.

那么，最有可能掉链子的是谁呢？

So who's the the people that are most likely to drop the ball?

我的意思是，说凯迪拉克会掉链子是不公平的，因为我觉得他们是在追赶。

I mean, I think it's unfair to say Cadillac will drop the ball because I think they're they're gonna be playing catch up

大大的。

A big time.

很长时间。

For a long time.

非常大。

Big time.

是的。

Yes.

这是一次全新的学习体验。

It's a whole new learning experience.

是的。

Yes.

那里会有有经验的人，但当你组建一支全新的团队，并且面对凯迪拉克自身带来的全新期望时，情况完全不一样。

There's gonna be experienced people there, but it's it's a whole different scenario when you you're bringing a whole new team and its expectations, I'm sure, from Cadillac themselves.

而且你要面对的是这项运动中的佼佼者，比如法拉利、梅赛德斯、红牛和迈凯伦。

And you're up against the the greats of the sport from the Ferraris of the world, Mercedes and Red Bulls and McLarens, for example.

所以这需要时间。

So it's it's gonna take time.

他们有足够的时间让这一切最终整合到位吗？

Have they got enough time for that to all come together down the line?

我想我们都会谈论四五年左右的时间。

I suppose we're all gonna be talking about four, five years probably.

但我认为这对他们来说会很困难。

But I think it's something it's gonna be tough for them.

我觉得这会非常困难。

I think it's gonna be very tough.

他们有两位非常出色的车手，我相信他们过去在梅赛德斯和红牛等车队的经验会非常有帮助，尤其是塞尔吉奥，但我认为他们可能要为倒数几排的位置而奋斗，我

Got two great drivers who are gonna be very, very useful, I suppose, for their input of the experiences they've had at at various teams, Mercedes and and Red Bull with Sergio, But I think they are going to be the one that's going to be fighting probably for those last few rows, I

我觉得这会有点

would think, which is going to be a bit

有点艰难，对他们来说有点艰难。

a bit tough, a bit tough for them.

没错。

Right.

那么，你认为还有谁可能无法适应这些新的规则变化？

So who else though do you think could be not being able to cope with these new regulation changes?

我的意思是，哈蒂斯这样的人，他们在规则方面

I mean, Hatties and people like that, they are on Well, regulatory they

表现还不错。

did okay.

但丰田也要加入进来了。

But they've Toyota coming in as well.

难道不是吗？

Don't, because don't they?

有很多因素将会改善他们去年所处的困境。

There's a lot of ingredients that are gonna improve this the the situation they found themselves in last year.

实际上，去年他们已经做了一些不错的工作。

And actually last year, they were doing some good stuff.

是的。

Yeah.

那真的非常非常热。

That was really really sort of hot.

是的。

Yeah.

但我觉得很多人都快到法规的尽头了。

But that's this I think a lot of people were getting to the end of the regulation No.

知道吗。

Know that.

对任何人来说，要挤出成绩都越来越难了。

Harder and harder for anybody to squeeze any numbers.

不是动力的问题，而是要在正确的时间做正确的事情，保持正确的思维模式，才能以正确的方式推动进展。

Not motivation, but sort of just having the right sort of things happening at the right time to have the right mindset to be able to move things forward in the right way.

他们有

They have

找到了让这辆车运行起来的方法。

found a way of making that car work.

是的。

Yeah.

他们至少明白自己大概需要朝着哪个方向努力。

They have an understanding at least of where they probably need to be working towards.

作为一个独立团队，我们不妨这么说，他们没有像其他车队那样的资源，没有自己的动力单元等等。

And as an, well, let's call them an independent, let's say, kind of team that has not got the resources of say, you know, the other teams, they don't have their own power unit and so forth.

IE和小松公司做得非常出色，我认为他们在冈瑟离开后接手并成功组建了这支车队，真的很棒。

IE has done an amazing job of Komatsu has just done an amazing job, I think, of piecing together a team taking over when Gunther left and actually- Great

很棒的人，是的。

guy, yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

车队不错，车手也很棒，团队士气高涨，现在他们还将因为丰田的加入而获得一些优势。

And the team is good, the drivers are good and the team's got a good spirit and now they're gonna have a bit of a leg up with Toyota.

他们可能会变得相当强大。

They they could be quite strong.

我觉得他们会没问题的。

I think they'd be okay.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得真正会遇到困难的是阿尔派恩。

I think the one that's really gonna be finding things tough is Alpine.

我觉得阿尔派恩现在真的陷入困境了。

I think Alpine are in a real big rut at the moment.

嗯，他们将会使用梅赛德斯的引擎，先生。

Well, they're gonna, they're gonna go with Mercedes engines, sir.

这是

It's the

整个车队。

whole pack.

一切都是这样，不是吗？

It's everything, isn't it?

梅赛德斯，没错。

The Mercedes yeah.

但这是空气动力学方面。

But it's the aerodynamic.

这是整个系统的综合，你需要正确的组合，让电池技术、电动化和内燃机协同工作，同时还需要优秀的空气动力学设计。

It's the whole package of it, and you've got to be able to have the right ingredients for the for the battery to work with the electrification to work with the combustion, but then you need the right aerodynamics.

我们还有主动式翼片等所有技术。

We've got all the technology with the active, wings as well.

它们将会发挥作用。

They're gonna come into play.

所以有很多新东西即将引入，而他们过去几年的表现并不特别强劲。

So there's a hell of a lot of new things that are coming in, and they've they're not coming off of particularly, what I would say, strong last couple of years.

没错。

No.

确实没有。

Haven't.

他们已经

They've had they've

一直是这样混乱。

had it's been chaos that much.

这太混乱了。

It's been chaos.

你看吧。

There you go.

现在更乱了。

Now chaos.

你怎么把混乱变成积极的东西？

How do you twist chaos into positivity?

你得有个梅赛德斯动力单元。

You you get a Mercedes power unit.

这至少是个帮助。

That helps for a start.

是的，确实如此。

It it does yeah.

但它并不能解决所有问题。

But it doesn't fix everything.

它可能非常非常有用，但我认为还有更根本的问题。

It may be very, very useful, but I think there is a there's more fundamental issues.

他们是谁？

Who are they?

他们要去哪里？

Where are they going?

关于这一点，有点那个问题。

It's a bit the bit the question about that.

嗯，这正是我的意思。

Well, and that's what I mean.

所有那些细微的因素，我认为将使他们面临极其艰巨的挑战。

It's all those little ingredients that are gonna make it, I think, very, very tough for them.

对。

Right.

所以，是的，我们等等看吧。

So, yeah, let's wait and see.

然后，我认为 RB 是他们去年表现不错的最后一个。

And then RB, I suppose, is the is the last one that they've had a good year.

他们有一个叫阿尔维德·利博利德的 18 岁球员即将上场。

They've got Arvid Limbolid, who's 18, coming into into play.

他们能让自己前进，或者至少保持目前的位置吗？

Can they move themselves or keep probably keep themselves in the position they find themselves at the moment?

这也将非常非常困难。

That's gonna be very, very tough as well.

但他们是一支小球队，对吧？

But they're a kind of they're a kind of minnow team, aren't they?

他们是一支顽强的小球队，表现得很出色，但他们缺乏成为领先球队的规模和势头。

They're kind of their plucky little, you know, doing really well, but they've got the mass, the momentum to be a front running team.

而且他们当然由同一种碳酸饮料赞助。

And of course they're sponsored by the same fizzy drink.

是的。

Yeah.

你知道的。

You know that.

不知道。

No.

我知道。

I know that.

但你知道，从我们刚开始接触一级方程式的时候，就有一些小车队，但那些小车队非常非常差，远远落后于其他车队的速度。

But you know from when we when we started in Formula one, there were there were some minnows, but they were very, very poor minnows, and they were really way off of the pace.

但考虑到他们规模这么小，过去三四五年里，他们却表现得如此具有竞争力。

But considering how small they are, it's how competitive they have been for the last, I don't know, three, four, five years maybe.

所以他们确实需要缩小从领先到末尾车队之间的差距，是的。

So they do have to the gap front to rear of the grid Yeah.

今年年底，去年的差距简直小得难以置信。

At the end of this year was last year was was unbelievably small.

是的。

Yes.

荒谬至极。

Ridiculous.

差距小得微不足道。

It was like minuscule gap.

没错。

Yeah.

他们有107规则。

They've got 107 rules.

换句话说，如果一圈是90秒，那就会变成97秒。

In other words, that would take it to, if it's a ninety second lap, that would be ninety seven seconds.

只要慢七秒，就无法晋级。

There'll be seven seconds off the pace in order to not qualify.

我没插手这件事。

I wasn't jumping in on this one.

我想让你自己解决这个问题。

Was gonna let you work that one out.

这很简单。

It's a simple math.

如果是100秒，就会落后7秒，但我的意思是，我们从未见过这样的情况

It was a hundred seconds, it would be seven seconds behind, but I mean, we never we haven't seen anything like

那样啊，没有。

that No.

从没那样过。

Not like that.

在这项运动中。

In the sport.

所以

So

很长时间了。

For a long time.

但从车队前排到后排的差距，会有多大？会差几秒？

But the gaps front to back of the grid, what will they what second difference will there be

哦，现在会有吗？

Oh, will there be now?

在2026年，从第一场比赛开始的这个时代？

In this in this era in '26 from the start of the first race?

哇。

Wow.

好吧。

Okay.

我的意思是，我觉得肯定会有两到三秒的差距。

I I mean, I reckon I reckon there there's got to be two to three seconds.

是的。

Yeah.

我本来想说是三秒。

I was gonna say three.

嗯。

Yeah.

三到四秒。

Three to four.

嗯。

Yeah.

我就选三到四秒。

I'll go three to four.

嗯。

Yeah.

所以我认为，就像通常新规则出台时那样，差距会变得相当大。

So I think there's gonna be quite as you know, there's always with when there are new regulations that come in, it normally goes from being very compressed

嗯。

Yeah.

然后一切都会变得松散开来。

And then it all gets sort of stretched out.

所以我觉得这种情况还会再次发生。

So I think that will happen again.

所以，是的，我认为三到四个月会是我的猜测。

So, yeah, three to four, I think, will be my my guess.

所以后面的人们是

So there's people at the back are

会有很多工作要做。

gonna be got a lot a lot of work to do.

哦，

Oh,

有很多工作要做。

a lot of work to do.

是的，绝对如此。

Yeah, absolutely.

是的。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

是的，我们正在努力塑造它，但还没真正看到轮子转起来。

Yeah, we're shaping, we're trying to put shape on this, and we haven't actually seen a wheel turn yet.

不，还没有。

No, not yet.

不，不，不，不。

No, no, no, no.

还没有。

Not yet.

但我们要么对，要么错。

But we'll either be right or we'll be wrong.

是的。

Yeah.

就此打住，喝杯茶吧。

And on that note, cup of tea.

我想，来杯茶吧。

Cup of tea, I think.

一杯茶。

A cup of tea.

再来块饼干，伙计。

And a biscuit, mate.

好的。

Alright.

非常感谢。

Thank you very much.

你现在暗示我说我从未暗示过‘竟敢’

Now you alluded I never alluded to How dare

你怎么能说出这种话？

you say such a thing?

我从没这样过，你一直都是这样的。

Well, I never you always have done.

还记得那个秘密剧本吗？你总是有点儿藏着掖着，从不真正说清楚发生了什么。

Remember the secret script you always sort of you never really tell what's going on.

不管怎样，你提到了法拉利和阿斯顿·马丁。

Anyway, but you alluded to Ferrari and Aston Martin.

那车手呢？

What about the drivers?

汉密尔顿，一位元老级人物，还有另一位元老费尔南多·阿隆索。

Hamilton, one of the elder statesman, and the elder statesman himself, Fernando Alonso.

我们对这两位的互动有什么期待？

What do we expect from those two dynamics?

他们将如何配合？

How are they gonna work?

这有点像他们在追求最后时刻的突破吗？

Is this kind of like they're going for the the late breaking?

费尔南多不会退役，除非刘易斯先退役。

Fernando is not gonna retire unless Lewis retires first.

还是说，这是因为刘易斯想成为元老，但费尔南多会尽可能久地留下去，就是为了不让他如愿？

It's a Or is this like because Lewis wants to be the elder statesman, but he's not gonna Fernando's gonna stay around for as long as possible just to deny him.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得是的。

I think yeah.

我有问题，我哪儿也不去，我不会走的。

A problem I'm not going anywhere, I'm not going.

不，等等，以前从来不是这样的，但现在似乎变成了这样。

No, wait it never used to be that way, now it seems to be the case.

所以他们还在继续，我的意思是，这真是，我不知道，老是提到方吉奥，方吉奥退役时大概是45岁吧。

So they're going on, I mean this is, I don't know, I mean, to keep mentioning Fangio, Fangio must have stopped when he was what, 45 I think.

他年纪不小了，费尔南多。

So he's getting up there, Fernando.

但刘易斯的赛车生涯一直不太顺利，对吧？

But Lewis' ride has been bumpy, hasn't it?

算起来，从阿布扎比那场决定性的事件至今，已经快五年了，自那以后他似乎从未真正恢复过来。

So we're getting on for this year will be five years since Abu Dhabi, the the fateful event from which he appears never to have recovered.

有时候，比如他在中国赢得了冲刺赛。

Moments of, you know, he won the sprint race in China.

是的。

Yeah.

偶尔有些时刻，事情看起来似乎在好转。

Little moments when things looked like they were getting better.

但他经历了更多。

But he has had But more.

糟糕的周末。

Awful weekends.

更多的糟糕周末。

More awful weekends.

如果他表现得好，那罚单也接踵而至。

And if gone well for him, it's gone badly with penalties Shot as well.

这个赛季他遭受的打击，你简直无法想象。

He's taken a beating, like you cannot imagine this season.

速度一直没跟上，是吧？

The speed hasn't been there, has it?

然后他还得面对查尔斯，后者表现得极其出色

And then he's got Charles who has been fantastically

迅速。

quick.

稳定。

Consistently.

我刚才在想的是哪一场？

And which one was I thinking of?

是他在卡塔尔的比赛，还是阿布扎比？

His race in Qatar or was it Abu Dhabi?

不知道。

Don't know.

毫不松懈。

Was relentless.

是阿布扎比。

It was Abu Dhabi.

好的。

Okay.

是的。

Yeah.

他确实拼得很凶。

He was he was I mean, he really raced hard.

他完成了在阿布扎比排位赛中的那一圈。

He raced that lap he did in qualifying in Abu Dhabi.

车子做不到，但他做到了。

The car couldn't do it, but And he did it

然后还要努力推动兰多。

then trying to push Lando as well.

所以，是的，我的意思是，问题在于刘易斯需要提升吗？

So yeah, I mean the question is, does Lewis need an uplift?

你知道，这辆车能提供提升吗？

You know, can the car provide an uplift?

如果车性能好，而且他们处于领先位置，刘易斯的灵感会不会突然又回来了？

If the car's good and they're running at the front, will suddenly all the lights come on again for Lewis?

因为这很有趣。

Because it's interesting.

你说得对。

You're right.

是车的问题吗？

Is it the car?

是现在的车型规格、它的运作方式，让他完全无法理解它处于什么状态吗？

Is it just the the specification, the way it works at the moment that he just can't get his head around where it's at?