曼城115项指控：裁决结果

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Hello and welcome to the rest is football with Alan Shearer, Micah Richards and me, Gary Lineker.

在聊英格兰队之前，英超联盟公布了独立委员会对曼城115项指控的调查结果，内容相当惊人。

Before we talk about England, the Premier League has released the findings of the Independent Commission into Manchester City's 115 charges, and they make for quite extraordinary reading.

独立委员会认定，曼城在2009年到2018年间违反英超财务规则的所有指控都成立，除了不配合调查的一项指控外，其余也都成立。

The Independent Commission has found City guilty on all charges related to the breaches of Premier League financial rules between two thousand and nine and twenty eighteen, and all but one of the charges relating to non cooperation.

一份措辞严厉的声明指出，曼城在长达十年的时间里，通过虚假合同和隐藏资金，人为抬高收入、压低成本，涉及金额高达9亿英镑。委员会还发现，俱乐部明知故犯地提交了虚假账目，一些关键证人也故意提供了不实和虚假的证词。

A damning statement described a decade long scheme of sham contracts and disguised funding, artificially inflating revenues and reducing costs by £900,000,000 It found the club knowingly filed misstated accounts and that some key witnesses knowingly gave untrue and dishonest evidence.

曼城依然否认所有不当行为，并表示将在周五截止日期前提出上诉。

Manchester City continued to deny any wrongdoing and have stated their intention to appeal before Friday's deadline.

关于处罚的问题，包括可能扣分或除名，目前还没有决定。

The question of sanctions, including potential points deductions or expulsion, is still to be decided.

米卡，这对你来说显然很难接受。

Micah, it's obviously very difficult for you.

你和曼城的关系非常密切。

You're very much associated with City.

你和他们一起赢得了联赛冠军和各种比赛的胜利。

You won league titles with them and various competitions.

那条新闻，你看到的时候是什么感觉？

How did that news, and how did you feel when you read that news?

嗯，首先，那些报道确实让人不安。

Well, first of all, the reports were were were troubling.

我看到英超联赛用的那些词，比如“虚假合同”，我感到非常痛心。

I saw the the words which were used by the Premier League in sham contracts, I felt absolutely devastated.

作为显然热爱曼城的人，我知道我们经常开玩笑说我小时候支持阿森纳，但曼城才是我的俱乐部。

As obviously someone who loves Manchester City, I know we have a laugh and a joke about I supported Arsenal when I'm young, but Man City's my club.

我从14岁起就在那个俱乐部，我愿意为那个俱乐部付出生命。

Been at that club since I was 14 years old, I would die for for that club.

从在普拉特巷的青训营开始，一路经历起伏，最终进入一线队。

All the roller coaster from being in the academy, down at Platte Lane, going all the way through, making it to the first team.

我在曼城实现了我的梦想。

I I achieved my dream at Manchester City.

是的，我做到了。

I did.

但后来听到这些报道，不只是我作为前球员，还有球迷们，对，

But then to hear these reports, and not only me as an ex player, but the fans Yeah.

他们得经历这些，真是让人心碎。

What they have to go through, absolutely devastating.

我的房东，那些不知道房东是什么的人，就是当你离开家去住的时候……

My my digs man, for those who don't know what a digs are, is someone who you...

当你离开家，去住在……

When you leave home and you go stay in...

哪里……

Where...

我当时在曼彻斯特的加特利。

I was me in Manchester in Gatley.

他今天给我打电话，他简直哭得不行，因为……

He he rang me today, and he was literally in tears about...

他问我一些信息，但我不知道。

And asking me about information, which I don't know.

我还没有答案可以告诉他。

I haven't I haven't got the answers to to tell him.

那个人支持俱乐部六十年了，六十多年了，现在这种不确定性真是让人……

And that's someone who supported the club for sixty years, sixty odd years, and the uncertainty around it is just...

太让人心碎了。

It's heartbreaking.

我能用的词就是心碎。

The words I use are heartbreaking.

看到我深爱的俱乐部出现这样的头条新闻，真的很难受。

To have a headline of this nature for a club that I love so much, it's been difficult.

如果你听那些报道，他们说的那些话，真是很严厉。

If you listen to the reports, what have been said, they are damning.

所以我是什么感受呢？

So how do I feel?

我感到很难过。

I I feel I feel saddened.

我感到很愤怒。

I feel angry.

我有点困惑，因为另一方面，还有曼城方面的说法。

I feel a little bit confused because on the other side, you have city's side of the story.

我看了法兰的采访，他当时……

I saw the interview that Faran had, and he was...

基本上就是说他们有证据证明自己是清白的。

Said they've got evidence to prove that they're innocent, essentially.

真是一团糟。

What mess.

这完全是一团糟。

What a complete and utter mess.

我回到我们周末说的那些话。

I go back to what we said at the weekend.

这件事的影响太深远了。

The ramifications go so far.

简直难以置信。

It's unbelievable.

因为这事到哪儿才算完？

Because where does it stop?

俱乐部到哪儿为止？

Where the club stop?

个人到哪儿为止？

Where do individuals stop?

那些荣誉呢？

Where do the accolades?

我是说，这事牵扯太多了，对足球、对英超，当然还有对曼城来说，都是如此。

I mean, there's so much at stake here for football, for the Premier League, and obviously for Manchester City.

所以，是的，这真是一团糟，对吧？

So yeah, just it's a complete and utter mess, isn't it?

我是说，看他们的成功，很明显，他们得等处罚结果出来，然后再决定要不要上诉。

I mean, I look at their success, clearly that there's they have to wait for the sanctions to come out, then do they appeal them?

我是说，如果最后结果就是“你完了，你罪证确凿”，那怎么办。

I mean, if it's all comes out in terms of Yeah, you're done, you're banged to rights.

他们怎么翻身？

How do they get over?

他们怎么回顾过去？

How do they look back?

我知道球迷们已经有了他们的回忆。

I know the fans have had their memories.

但阿圭罗那个时刻，你知道，那可以说是英超历史上最伟大的时刻之一，如果不是最伟大的话，就当时的情况和那天发生的事来说。

But that Aguero moment, you know that that is one of if not the greatest moment in Premier League history in terms of how it unfolded and what happened on the day.

而现在这都被毁了，如果真要发生那种事的话，你知道，就像……

And that's blown apart that is now if that's what's going to happen, you know, it's like it's...

那就完了。

That's done.

那个记忆，我们所有人……

That that memory, what we all...

我的意思是，我不是曼城球迷，我也不太在乎，但对我来说，那真的是英超历史上标志性的时刻之一，如果曼城真的完了或者被定罪了，那就结束了。

I mean, I'm not a City fan, and I don't really care, but that that for me was one of the iconic moments in Premier League history when or if City are done or bank to rights is finished.

我在那个更衣室里，球员们跟董事会里发生的事情、球员的决定、财务这些都没关系。

Me being in that that dressing room and the players have nothing to do with what happens in in boardrooms, with decisions on players, with finances, and all that sort of stuff.

我们那个更衣室里的那种情谊，现在会被质疑，人们会怀疑那是不是真的。

And the camaraderie that we had in that that dressing room now is gonna be called into question whether people believe it was legit.

这件事没有赢家……

And there are no winners in this...

如果曼……

If man...

如果曼城上诉成功，脱罪了，那这件事还是会留下污点。

If Man City do the appeal and and and they get off on the appeal, then it's still gonna be tarnished.

如果上诉后还是被判有罪，那接下来会怎样？

And then if they're found guilty, know, after the appeal, then then what happens then?

而且这不只是曼城球迷或曼城球员的事。

And it's not just Man City fans or Man City players.

这关系到整个英超联赛的信誉。

It's it's the whole of the Premier League comes into question.

这才是关键，这件事可能会拖上好几年。

That's the bit which this could be something that goes on for for for years and years and and years.

在这一点上，我想说，你看。

At this point, I I would say, you know, look.

显然，很多球迷会从中得到某种满足感。

Obviously, a lot of football fans will say, get some kind of satisfaction out of this.

但对我来说，最受影响的是那些人，我自己也经历过，莱斯特城是我的主队，他们被扣分，结果代价很大，他们确实做错了，我们也接受了。

But for me, the people that suffer the most with these things, and I've been part of, you know, Leicester's my team and they got point reductions and proved really costly, they, you know, they got things wrong and we accepted it.

我只是在想，曼城是不是干脆……

I just wonder if Manchester City would be better off just...

我的意思是，除非……

I mean, unless...

我是说，我看到了费兰的声明，他说……

I mean, I saw Ferran's statement where he's...

你知道，他说，我们……

You know, he said, we...

我们有确凿的证据。

We've got irrefutable evidence.

如果真是确凿的证据，那早就该拿出来了。

Well, if it was irrefutable, that that would have been shown before.

而且这是独立委员会做出的决定。

This is an independent committee that has made this as well.

它不是英超联盟的一部分。

It's not it's not part of the Premier League.

这是独立的事情。

It's a separate thing.

他还说，我们之前对欧足联提出过上诉，而且我们赢了，但他们之所以赢，是因为那已经过了诉讼时效。

He also said that, you know, we appealed before against UEFA, and we got that overturned, but they got that overturned because it was time barred.

这跟证据本身没关系。

It wasn't necessary to do with any of the evidence.

所以，你知道，如果被判有罪，他们肯定会上诉。

So, you know, with these things, if they've been found guilty, I'm sure they will appeal.

我在想，他们是不是干脆承认错误，道歉，接受处罚和制裁，然后继续往前走，这样反而更好。

I wonder if they'd actually be better off just saying, we maybe we got it wrong, we apologize, we take the punishment, we take the sanctions and let's try and move on.

不管怎样，事情都得尽快解决，因为不能出现他们一边上诉一边排在联赛榜首，还有可能再次夺冠的情况。

Whatever happens has to be done quickly because we can't have a scenario where they're appealing and they're sitting top of the league and there's a chance they could win the league again.

你明白我的意思吗？

Do you know what I mean?

我不太清楚法律上是怎么规定的，不知道他们能不能在上诉期间就执行处罚。

I don't know the legal situation in terms of of whether they can dish out the punishment regardless of an appeal.

但我觉得，这些事里真正受害的总是球迷。

But the people that really suffer, I always think as well with these things, is the fans.

我是说，球迷们现在肯定会变得有防御性，因为你懂的。

I mean, the fans will go turn defensive now because you do.

事情就会这样发展。

That's what will happen.

你知道，他们会说全世界都在针对我们。

You know, they'll say the world's against us.

这完全不对。

It's all wrong.

而且，你知道吗，我理解那种感受，因为莱斯特城受罚的时候我也有类似的感觉。

And, you know, I I I understand that because I had that feeling when Leicester got punished to a degree.

这显然要严重得多得多。

This is obviously a much, much, much bigger deal.

这不仅仅是稍微超支的问题。

This is not just slightly overspending.

据说这是与商业伙伴安排虚假合同，来虚增收入、降低成本，掩盖融资计划。

This is said to be arranging sham contracts with commercial partners to officially inflate revenues and reduce costs, disguise funding schemes.

这是可耻的行为，虽然球迷会变得有保护欲和防御性，你能理解，但最终受苦的还是他们。

This is scorrilous behaviour, whilst the fans will get protective and defensive and you understand that, they ultimately were the people that suffer from this.

但这事儿就像捅了马蜂窝，牵扯面太广了，不光是对曼城，对其他俱乐部也一样。

But it's a can of worms, and it has so many ramifications, not not just for Manchester City, but but elsewhere as well.

比如说，那些可能就差一点拿到联赛冠军的俱乐部，突然就会想，等等。

It's, you know, other clubs that may have just missed out on a league title suddenly go, well, hang on.

他们是要告曼城，还是告英超联盟？

Are they gonna sue Manchester City or sue the Premier League?

或者谁知道接下来几周、几个月会发生什么呢？

Or who knows what what might happen over over the next weeks, months?

而且，如果是上诉的话，我不知道上诉要持续多久。

And, you know, if it's an appeal, I don't know how long that appeal would last.

希望不会像这次这么长。

Hopefully not as long as it did for this one.

不过，你知道这事儿奇怪在哪儿吗？

You know what is strange about it, though?

从球员的角度看，那些来来去去的球员，有些和球迷关系特别好，对吧？

You know from a a player's point of view, the the players that come and go, some players have a great feeling with the fans, don't they?

他们很受欢迎，而且和球迷之间有那种默契。

And they're loved, and they have that chemistry.

但因为我从小就在那里，或者说我14岁就在那里了，我是真心热爱这家俱乐部。

But because I've been there or because I I I was there at 14, I I genuinely love the club.

所以我的感受可能比那些只待了两三年的球员更深。

So I will feel it more than maybe a player that's been there for two or three years.

他们可能赢过英超冠军什么的。

Maybe they've won the Premier League or whatnot.

所以这……

So it's...

我只能从我的角度来说。

I I can only speak from my point of view.

你知道，这是我的感受，因为俱乐部为我付出了太多。

You know, this is how I feel because the club have done so much for me.

但肯定有些球员，我不是说他们不在乎，但他们没有我对俱乐部的那种感情。

But there'll be certain players who, I'm not saying don't really care, but don't have that emotion, you know, that that I have towards the club.

所以这就是为什么这里是个很难待的地方。

And that's why it's such a a a difficult place to be.

而且这事得尽快解决，拖得越久，情况就越糟。

And it just needs to be sorted out sooner rather than later because the more it drags on, the worse it becomes.

委员会的那三个人，身份还不清楚。

The three people on the committee, that's not known.

我们不知道他们到底是谁，但显然，他们应该是很有资格担任这个职位的人。

We don't know who they actually are, but, obviously, they will be people that have, I would imagine, very qualified in this position.

他们是独立于英超联盟的。

They are independent from the Premier League.

而且我觉得曼城在过去，怎么说呢，两三年甚至更久，如果追溯到之前的案例，他们肯定请了能用钱买到的最好的律师，因为他们显然非常有钱。

And also I would say Manchester City over the last, what is it, two, three years or even longer if you go back to the previous cases, would have had the very, very best lawyers that money can buy because obviously they've got exceptional wealth.

然后他们出来说，我们有确凿的证据证明不是这样，这真的让人难以理解和相信，因为如果证据真的那么确凿，为什么之前不用呢？

And then to come out of it and say, well, we've got irrefutable evidence that this is not the case, is is quite hard to fathom and believe because why wouldn't that evidence, if it was so irrefutable, have been used previously?

所有指控都是这样。

On all charges.

我是说，英超联盟也不希望这样。

I mean, the Premier League wouldn't have wanted this either.

对。

No.

我

I

是说，你还得记住，这是他们最不想看到的事。

mean, it's the last thing in the world that you've got to remember that as well.

你觉得他们真的想看到我们现在陷入这种丑闻、这种困境、这种烂摊子吗？

Do you think they really want this scandal, this pickle, this mess that we're in at this point?

当然不想。

Of course they wouldn't.

所以……

So...

但他们显然觉得有违规行为。

But they obviously felt there was wrongdoing.

现在已经说了，确实存在违规行为。

It's now been said that there is wrongdoing.

现在我们处于这样的境地：除非上诉能证明这是错的，否则事实就是这样。

And now we're in a position where unless that is proved wrong in an appeal, then that is the case.

你知道，如果你在法庭上受审并被判有罪，那你就是有罪的。

Know, if you go to a trial in court and you're found guilty of something, you're guilty.

我想现在的问题是，接下来会发生什么？

And I suppose the question is now what happens from here?

我们先不考虑可能会有上诉，合理的处罚会是什么？

Let's disregard the fact that there'll probably be an appeal, but what would be a reasonable punishment?

从哪里开始呢？

Where do you start?

你还得想想，其他人是不是也知道，比如佩普离开的时候，夏天囤积签约球员。

You have to also think whether other people knew, you know, I mean, Pep leaving when he did them stockpiling signings in the summer.

我不知道。

I don't know.

不管你怎么看，你都可以说，嗯，那可能是真的。

Whatever way you look at it, you can say, well, yeah, that may be true.

我不是。

I'm not.

但还是有很多问题，我想。

But there's so many still questions, I guess.

但确实，我不知道这事该怎么收场，因为这对足球来说太难看了，对英超来说也太难看了。

But yeah, I don't know where you go with this because it's just a terrible look for football, terrible look for the Premier League.

我的意思是，处罚可能会很重。

I mean, the punishment could be huge.

可能会非常严重。

It could be massive.

如果他们上诉失败或者不管他们怎么做，我想他们也不能抱怨，毕竟他们享受了那么久。

And if they lose their appeal or whatever they do, then I guess they can't really complain after having that for so long.

如果他们确实做错了，就应该受到应有的惩罚，这是毫无疑问的。

If if they've done wrong, they they should get the required punishment without without doubt.

英超联赛在处罚方面能做什么呢？

What's open to the Premier League to do in terms of of of a punishment?

是大幅扣分吗？

A a a big points deduction?

我在社交媒体上看到很多人说各种话，你知道的，有些还挺有意思的。

I've seen lots of people saying things, as you do, on social media, etcetera, and some interesting ones.

你会不会给他们大幅扣分，确保他们降级？

You know, do you give them a big point reduction and make sure they get relegated?

然后他们就去英冠了。

And then they're in the championship.

那英冠联赛又该怎么处理曼城呢？

And then what do the championship do with Manchester City?

你知道，显然我们比赛中有不同的管理机构。

You know, so obviously we have different governing bodies in our game.

我们有英超联赛，然后还有足球联赛，这完全是两回事。

We've got the Premier League and then we've got the Football League, which is totally different.

那他们怎么处理呢？

And how do they handle it?

我看到一个挺有意思的方案，我觉得可能可行，就是给他们未来五个赛季每个赛季扣20到25分。

I saw an interesting one that I think is possibly viable that you could maybe give them a 20 to 25 reduction for the next five seasons.

这样他们就会慢慢降下来，留在中游位置，这个想法挺有意思的。

So they decelerate and they stay in the mid table, which is an interesting one.

当然，可能还会有很长一段时间的转会禁令和巨额罚款，不过说实话，这对曼城来说根本不算什么。

Obviously, probably a transfer ban for quite some time and a huge fine, which is obviously that won't make any difference Manchester City in reality.

所以，这真的是个难题，对吧？

So, I mean, this space really, isn't it?

对，完全同意。

Yeah, absolutely.

我觉得，俱乐部里有些人现在去了其他俱乐部，他们可能也得回答一些问题。

I mean, there's people at the club who are now at other clubs as well, I guess, which will have questions to answer as well.

所以，这真是一团糟，彻头彻尾的乱摊子，我觉得为了足球，这事得赶紧有个了结。

So yeah, just a mess and complete and utter mess, which I think needs a needs an end story pretty quickly for for the sake of football.

我想说的一点是，米卡，在你……

The one thing I would say, Micah, in in your...

不是为你辩护，因为球员们根本不可能知道这些背后的小动作。

Not in your defense, because none of the footballers would have ever had any kind of idea of any of these shenanigans that were going on.

他们只想好好踢球，在场上发挥，赢得奖杯，做一番大事。

They just wanna perform and and do their stuff on the pitch and and and win trophies and and do great things.

然后，是的。

And then Yeah.

嗯，那种水平的球员可能不会在曼城，我想。

Well, that quality of player might not have been at Manchester City, think.

那个……

That...

我正要接着说这个。

I was about to follow with that

抱歉。

Sorry.

具体来说，就是那个……

Particular point, and that's...

那会是别人的说法。

That will be other people's argument.

好吧，你总是把我当成球员。

Well, you always me off as a player.

我当时就在那儿。

I was there.

我赢过联赛冠军。

I won a league.

兄弟，你现在还有什么好说的？

Man, what are you gonna say now?

好吧，我们可能会说你已经不再拥有联赛冠军了。

Well, we might be saying you haven't won a league anymore.

这就是我们可能会看到的。

That's what we might be seeing.

嘿。

Hey.

没人能夺走我的英超冠军。

No one's taking my Premier League.

没人能夺走

No one's taking

我觉得这样做，翻旧账或者重新分配奖杯，是个大麻烦，而且对球员和球迷来说也太残忍了，对你也是。

I think doing that, turning over or the trophies is such a can of worms that I and also so cruel on the players and the fans so cruel for you.

不管是利物浦、曼联还是阿森纳，谁吃亏了，他们都不会愿意这样。

And whoever's lost out, whether it be Liverpool, or whether it be Man United or Arsenal, whoever, they wouldn't want that.

对吧，他们不会愿意的。

I don't, would they?

你

Do

想这样赢得冠军吗？

you want to win a title that way?

不是那样赢的。

Not like that.

但你还得想想，我是说，回到尤尔根·克洛普和他那支球队，当他们以那些分数错失冠军的时候，就像……

But then you also have to think, have to think, I mean, you go back to Jurgen Klopp and that team that he had, when they missing out with those, it's like

98分、99分，那些情况，对。

98 points, 99 points, all that stuff, yeah.

好吧，我们先看看接下来几天会发生什么，然后是几周，甚至几个月。

Well, let's see what happens over the coming days firstly, and then the weeks and possibly months.

我们先休息一下，回来后再聊英格兰队和一场胜利。

Let's take a break and when we come back we'll talk England and a victory.

我们评估了一位首相，很有信心那是俄罗斯干的。

We We assess a prime minister with high confidence it was Russian.

追究俄罗斯的责任就是第三次世界……

Holding the Russians accountable is World War

大战。

three.

他们击落了一架载有350人的英国客机。

They took down a British passenger jet containing 350 people.

克里姆林宫的那个人在玩游戏，亚历克斯。

Man in the Kremlin is playing, Alex.

你得问问自己，你想不想玩这个游戏？

You've got to ask yourself, yourself, do you want to play or not?

你是首相。

You're the prime minister.

你什么都没做。

You've done nothing.

你准备好迎接接下来的事了吗？

Are you prepared for coming?

我们需要了解相关政策。

We would need to understand the policy

相关的背景信息今天会以框架的形式整理出来，然后下发给作战命令或后续命令。

relevant context will be structured as a framework today and disseminated into an operation order or Frago.

一份命令，说要干掉俄罗斯总统。

A Frago that says to kill the president of Russia.

是的。

Yes.

来自Goal hanger的新作品。

New from Goal hanger.

谁能完成这个任务？

Who is going to be able to pull this off?

你是我的士兵。

You're my soldier.

你是汤姆·麦克达夫中士……

Are you sergeant Tom McDuff...

达菲？

Duffy?

一段独一无二的音频剧之旅。

An audio drama journey like no other.

像达菲这样的人，是我们最宝贵的武器。

Men like Duffy, they are our most valuable weapons.

这是一部技术严谨的地缘政治动作惊悚剧。

Devised as a technically rigorous geopolitical action thriller.

两次友好的新西兰人。

Two times friendly kiwi.

英国打出最强王牌，他是

Britain plays its strongest hand He's

最棒的。

the best.

对抗最强的敌人。

Against its strongest foe.

别这样对我。

Don't do it to me.

《猎熊》

Bear Hunt.

现在就可以收听，无论你在哪里获取播客。

Available now wherever you get your podcasts.

欢迎回到《足球之外》，我是莱因克尔，和米卡·理查兹、阿兰·希勒一起。

Welcome back to the Rest is Football with Micah Richards, Alan Shearer and me, Lineker.

好了，我们来聊聊足球吧，我觉得这比上半场有趣多了。

Right, let's talk about football, which is much more enjoyable, I think, than the first half.

我看了比赛，就像我们之前说的，英格兰队表现得很扎实。

I watched the game and as we did, you know, it was a solid England performance.

显然，他们少了一个人，之后比赛就只是时间问题，基本上就是轻松拿下了。

Obviously, they went down to 10 men, it became just a matter of time and a walk in the park in many ways.

但是，阿兰，谁给你留下了深刻印象？

But who impressed you, Alan?

安东尼·戈登让我印象深刻。

Anthony Gordon impressed me.

我觉得特伦特是个非常出色的球员。

Trent I thought was a brilliant baller.

你知道去那些地方比赛是什么感觉，真的很艰难。

You know what it's like when you go away to those places, it's tough.

你只需要坚持住。

You just got to get in there.

你说得对。

You're right.

如果他没有被罚下，那会是一场更好的考验。

It would have been a better test if he hadn't been sent off.

但总的来说，前十五分钟他们确实有几次被反击抓住。

But by and large, I mean, they got caught on the counter attack a couple of times in the first fifteen minutes.

所以英格兰队表现不错。

So England book.

是的，我觉得你只需要去那里。

Yeah, I thought I thought you just got to go there.

赢球，拿三分，然后继续前进。

You win and you get out and you get the three points and you move on.

我觉得安东尼·戈登是表现最出色的，你觉得呢？

Well, I thought Anthony Gordon was the pick of the bunch, didn't you?

是的，我觉得他表现太棒了。

Yeah, I thought he was terrific.

对，我觉得他很有冲劲。

Yeah, I thought he was positive.

他的进球处理得非常好。

Took his goal really well.

特伦特传了一脚漂亮的球。

A brilliant ball in from from Trent.

我觉得他每次拿球都能制造威胁。

I thought every every time he got the ball I thought he was a threat.

防守球员都不知道他是要内切还是怎么着。

The defender didn't know whether he was gonna try and cut inside.

很多时候他走外线，拉开空间，传出一脚漂亮的球。

A lot of the time he went on the outside, lay on the game, he clipped a lovely ball in.

我觉得那个头球没顶到的是摩根·罗杰斯。

I think it was Morgan Rogers that missed the header.

所以，是的，我觉得毫无疑问安东尼·戈登是表现最出色的。

So, yeah, I thought it was without doubt the pick of the bunch Anthony Gordon.

我同意这个看法。

I I I would agree with that.

不过，也得给特伦特点个赞。

A little shout out to Trent, though, as well.

他把球传给了戈登。

I got up to Gordon.

他做了所有该做的事。

Did everything he needed to do.

只是因为他开场时看起来有点紧张，我是这么觉得的。

Just just because he he started the game like he was a little bit nervous, I I would say.

他丢了球，然后往回跑。

He gave the ball away, and then he was running back.

然后他有点……

And then he he sort of...

按照切克（Chek）的布置，他没法在理想的位置拿到球，发挥出他想有的影响力。

The way Chek set up, he couldn't get the ball in the positions to make an impact that he wanted to.

不提世界杯了，因为那已经过去了。

Not going back to the the World Cup because it's it's behind us now.

但你知道，当我们说26名球员名单的时候？

But you you know when we talk about 26 players out?

而且我不是……

And I'm not...

我理解，你得带上状态好的球员，或者类似的。

I I understand you've gotta take players in form or whatever.

我之所以为特伦特和科尔·帕尔默这样的人呼吁，是因为即使他们状态不佳，也能扭转比赛局面。

And the reason why I I was shouting out for the likes of Trent and, say, Cole Palmer is because they can turn a game on the head even when they're not playing well.

凭借他的助攻，世界足坛没几个球员能做到这一点。

And with his assist, there's not many players in world football that can do that.

那个传球真是……

That delivery is just...

在世界杯上，只需要这样的一瞬间就能改变比赛。

And it only takes one moment like that in a World Cup to change a game.

所以这就是为什么我总在念叨帕尔默或者特伦特。

So that's why I always bang on about a a Palmer or a Trent.

但回到戈登，比起他的表现，他的采访才是真的精彩。

But taking it back to Gordon, more than his performance, his interviews his interviews are absolutely amazing.

非常聪明，表达清晰，知道自己想要什么。

Very smart, very articulate, knows what he wants.

他有一种不一样的自信，他相信自己的能力。

He's got a a different kind of confidence where he believes in his ability.

他说过，他一直以为会去巴塞罗那。

He talked about, he always thought it would go to Barcelona.

他相信自己。

He believed in himself.

而且关键是，当你有了那种自信，你就必须拿出表现来，现在他已经把这一点融入了自己的比赛。

And the thing is when you have that confidence, you have to deliver, and that's what he's got into his game now.

我觉得他这个赛季在西甲已经贡献了四次助攻，而且已经开始为英格兰队进球了，看起来他成了其他队友可以依赖的球员，这是个非常好的迹象。

He's got, I think, four assists in La Liga already this season, and he's already scoring for for England and looks like the player that the rest of the guys can rely on, which is is is a very good sign.

他和刘易斯·霍尔在那边构成了威胁。

They were a threat down there for him and Lewis Hall.

显然，他们彼此很熟悉。

Obviously, know each other.

我觉得他和刘易斯·霍尔在需要的时候表现得很好，就是那种……

I thought him and Lewis Hall did did well when they had to, the little...

他们对彼此比赛的理解。

Their understanding of each other's game.

我完全同意。

I I totally agree.

我觉得刘易斯·霍尔表现非常出色，安东尼·戈登也是。

I thought Lewis Hall was excellent, and Anthony Gordon as well.

他非常聪明。

He is very intelligent.

那些采访我自己也听过。

I heard those interviews myself.

我今天跟哈里说了，我很想去巴塞罗那，好好跟他聊聊，做个采访。

I've said to Harry today, I'd love to go into Barcelona and, like, have a good chat and interview him.

希望我们能促成这件事。

Hopefully, try and make that happen.

直接私信他吧。

Jump to DM him.

我在联赛里认识他。

I know him from league.

他上过他们那个联赛节目，对吧？

He came on league of their own, didn't he?

所以，你知道的，我们关系还不错。

So, you know, we're we're alright.

我帮你给他发私信。

I'll DM him for you.

别担心。

Worry.

那就去做吧。

Do it.

去做吧。

Do it.

去做吧，米卡。

Do it, Micah.

不过我不敢看我的私信，因为上面全是敌对球迷的辱骂，太多了。

I'm scared to look at my DMs, though, because I've got so much abuse abuse abuse from rival fans on his laptop.

你看。

Look.

哦，兄弟。

Oh, mate.

去吧……

Go...

等几天再说。

Wait a few days.

等几天再行动。

Wait a few days then do it.

不过我也同意特伦特的看法。

But I I also concur with with Trent.

而且就算在上半场，那些小传球、外脚背的传球，还有那些小挑传……

And even in the first half, some of the little balls, the outside of his foot and little dinky...

我是说，他太有想象力了，向前推进的时候真是个了不起的球员。

I mean, he's he's so imaginative and such a such a great player going forward.

我特别喜欢看他踢球。

I love watching him play.

不过我觉得在那种情况下，兄弟们，迈卡，当你只剩下十个人，你需要有人用一点质量来撕开防线。

I think in that situation, though, guys, Micah, I think when you're down to 10 men, and you need that someone to unlock a defense with a bit of quality.

我们整个夏天都在说这个，对吧？是的，当防守收缩得很深，或者你需要一点魔法的时候，今天他就在我们最需要的时候做到了。

I mean, we said that didn't we all summer is that Yeah, when it when a defense is sitting deep or when you need that little bit of magic, that's when he delivered that today when we needed it more.

所以传中很精彩，安东尼·戈登的头球也很精彩。

So when the cross was brilliant, so was the header from Anthony Gordon.

但在那种情况下，我觉得特伦特表现得非常出色。

But I thought in that in that situation, Trent more than stood up.

有什么缺点吗？

Any downsides?

我觉得萨卡又表现不佳了，你觉得呢？

I thought Saka was poor again, didn't you?

他不在最佳状态。

He's not at his absolute best.

上半场他也应该进球的。

Should have scored as well in the first half.

他有一个必进球的机会，对吧？

He had a sitter, didn't he?

是不是英格兰队击中门柱那一次？

Was it when England hit the post, something like that?

对，球从门柱弹回来，是的。

Yes, bounce back off the post, yeah.

球又弹回他面前，他错失了一个大好机会。

The ball came back into him and he missed a big opportunity.

对，他没有……

Yeah, he didn't...

我觉得他踢得不太好。

I don't think he was I didn't think he was great at soccer.

是的。

No.

但谁都有状态不好的时候。

But we're all allowed bad games from time to time.

不过我觉得，显然他在季军争夺战中上演了帽子戏法，而且这个赛季在阿森纳的开局也算不错。

But I think I think obviously he scored the hat trick, didn't, in the third place playoff, and he's had a reasonable start, I think, with Arsenal this season.

但是，你知道，他是一名顶级球员，状态偶尔会有起伏。

But, you know, he's he's a class player and, you know, you have little dips in form at time.

我相信他一定会回来的。

I'm sure I'm sure he'll come back.

不过我要告诉你，他上场时给我留下深刻印象的是恩加马瓦。

But I tell you who impressed me when he came on, Ngamawa.

哦。

Oh.

那是，嘿，悉尼。

That's Hey, Sydney.

他确实……

He does...

他敢于过人。

He's not scared to take someone on.

他有那种……

He has got, like...