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大家好，欢迎收听《The Rest Is Football》，我是加里·莱因克尔，和我一起的是阿兰·希勒。
Hello and welcome to the rest is football with Alan Shearer and me, Gary Linica.
别担心，米卡也会加入我们。
Don't worry, Micah will be joining us.
不过，他会在下半场加入我，因为这是一档分上下半场的播客。
Well, he'll be joining me in the second half because this is a podcast of two halves.
我先和阿兰聊，因为你周四早上来不了。
I'm gonna do Alan first because there's a reason that you can't do Thursday morning.
米卡今晚要工作。
Micah is working tonight.
阿兰，我们是在周三晚上和你录这期节目的。
We're recording this with you, Alan, on Wednesday night.
米卡在忙CBS的事。
Micah is doing CBS.
我会通过电话和你连线。
And I'm gonna be joining you in a phono.
一个电话访谈。
A phono.
你怎么说这个词？
How do you say it?
电话访谈。
Phono.
仅此一晚。
For one night only.
给大家解释一下这是什么。
Explain to people what it is.
嗯，所有收益都会捐给我的基金会，这是我们百万英镑计划的一部分，我们今年想筹到这么多钱。
Well, all proceeds will go to my foundation as part of the million pound mission, which we're trying to raise in the year.
对，你非常客气地采访我，从我职业生涯的起点，很早的时候开始，我敢肯定观众们从没见过那些录像和照片，我觉得有些都没公开过。
And yeah, you're very kindly interviewing me from sort of start of my career, very early days, which I'm sure the people in the audience have never seen the footage, never seen the pictures that I've never, I don't think have been released to some of them.
所以，对，会有很多来自纽卡斯尔的人，还有来自全国各地的人。
So, yeah, there's a lot of Jordy's coming down, and there's a lot of people from wherever, all over the country.
所以应该会挺有意思的。
So should be a bit of fun.
肯定会很有意思。
It will be a bit of fun.
非常期待，艾伦。
Very much looking forward to it, Alan.
不过在那之前，我们先聊聊足球吧。
But in the meantime, let's discuss some football.
这两天晚上真是精彩。
What a couple of nights we've had.
太疯狂了。
Crazy.
两晚进了这么多球，还有这么多逆转。
So many goals over two nights, so many kind of turnarounds.
我在想，是不是这种赛制本身就让比赛更开放，因为我觉得球员们自由度更高。
And I wonder whether perhaps the nature of the format helps that because I think there's degree of freedom.
我们以前有那些小组赛，对吧？
We used to have those little groups, didn't we?
偶尔会有两支强队碰面，如果真碰上了，主要看谁能赢下小组，因为他们反正都能出线。
You might occasionally get two big teams playing each other, and if they did, it was primarily who's gonna win the group because they'd always go through anyway.
你懂的。
You knew that.
现在我知道，基本上所有大俱乐部肯定能进前24，不一定进前八。
Now I know with this, pretty much all the big clubs will certainly be in the, you know, not necessarily in the top eight, but in top 24.
但他们真的很想进前八。
But they really will want to be in the top eight.
但与此同时，他们也不一定想进前24，因为显然赛季里要多踢两场比赛，那挺累的。
But at the same time, they don't necessarily want to be in the top 24 because obviously they have to play two games extra in the season, so that's tough.
我刚看了曼城对巴黎圣日耳曼的比赛，我们稍后会详细聊，我可能会和米卡一起更深入地分析，因为他也参与了那场比赛。
I've just watched the Manchester City PSG games, We'll it's truly come to that a little bit later, and I'll do it more in-depth probably with Micah because he worked on that game as well.
我觉得球队会感觉更自由，敢于互相进攻，因为风险没那么大。
I just think teams would feel free to actually have a go at each other because the jeopardy is not massive.
但与此同时，这个赛季我看到了很多精彩的足球比赛。
But at the same time, I'm seeing a lot of entertaining football this season.
我觉得我们……
I think we...
我该这么说吗，阿尔？
Do I say this, Al?
我们是不是终于摆脱那该死的低位防守了？
Are we getting away from the fucking dreaded low block?
这个……
This...
输一场比赛也不是什么灾难。
I mean, it's not a disaster if you lose a game.
所以我想，球队可能稍微放开了一些，因为就算输了，也不是什么大不了的事。
So I I I guess teams may be opening up a little bit more in terms of, yeah, if they lose, then it's not the the be all and end all.
比赛中有一些回旋余地，如果你一开始输了一两场的话。
There's a there's a bit of there's a bit of leeway in the competition if you were to lose a game or two early on.
你去马德里了？
You were in Madrid?
去了。
I was.
真漂亮。
Beautiful.
那场马竞对曼联的比赛，显然给曼联带来了更多压力，也给迈克尔·卡里克带来了更多压力。
For the Atletico Manchester United game, obviously, it's added a bit more heat on United, bit more heat on Michael Carrick.
但其实我觉得他们踢得还行。
But actually, I thought they played alright.
我看了不少，然后我切到进球秀看看情况，因为我知道你负责那场比赛。
I watched quite a bit of it, then I was flicking onto the to the goal show to see what was going on because I knew you'd got that game covered.
那你给我们讲讲那场比赛的内幕吧。
So you give us you give us the inside knowledge on that one.
他稍微调整了一下阵容。
He changed things around a little bit.
他做了一些调整，显然肖和马奎尔都缺阵了，科尔比·马努也没上，所以他就变了一下阵。
He left, obviously Shaw was out, Maguire was out, Colby Manu was out, and he changed things around a bit.
他让桑托斯上场了，还让那个劳工上场了。
He brought in Santos, brought in the labor.
海登·海文上场了，对吧？
Hayden Heaven played, right?
对，海登·海文踢的是左后卫。
Yeah, Hayden Heaven played left back.
所以确实有变化。
So yeah, there were changes.
曼联确实有进步，而且我觉得进步很大，跟周六对热刺那场比的话。
Man United did improve and they improved a lot, I think, compared to what we saw on Saturday against Spurs.
我知道那场表现不怎么样，但他们确实进步了很多。
I know that was a bit of a low bar, but they did improve a lot.
他们在开场五十三秒就丢球了。
They conceded after fifty three seconds.
结果本来可能会完全不一样。
And it could have been very different.
但他们没有崩。
I mean, they didn't cave.
我觉得反而让他们更强了，表现也更好了。
I think if anything, it made them stronger, it made them better.
而且他们错过了一些扳回比赛的大好机会。
And they missed some big chances to get back into the game.
毫无疑问，他们一直在追分。
And they were chasing the game, there's no doubt.
但后来乔纳森·大卫上场了。
But then Jonathan David came on.
我觉得约罗被罚下那次，根本不该是红牌，绝对不该。
I mean, was never a sending off for me when Yoro got sent off, never
对，我也这么觉得。
No, I didn't.
一个纪录
A record for
够了吧。
enough in it.
我是说，他碰了他一下，你知道那种情况。
Mean, he put his hand on him and you know what it's like.
倒得太容易了，但他吃了红牌，然后他们就完了。
Went over so easily, but he got the red card and then they got done.
但曼联的表现确实好多了，卡里克有很多可以改进的地方。
But it was much improved from Manchester United and plenty for Carrick to work on.
我不觉得他们是一支很出色的球队。
I don't think they're a brilliant team.
我完全不认为他们能进欧冠区。
Don't I think they're gonna finish in the Champions League spots at all.
我觉得对他们来说这个赛季会有点艰难，对他来说也会很艰难，因为……
I think it's gonna be a bit of a tough season for them, and it'll be a tough season for him because of the...
就因为这些原因。
For for those reasons.
他们这个赛季只赢过伊普斯维奇和苏巴尔。
I mean, they've only beaten this season, Ipswich and Subar.
那显然是他们在本赛季欧冠中遇到的第一支球队。
Who's the, obviously, the first team they played in in the Champions League this season.
你有没有觉得有点……
Did you feel a bit of...
显然，几个新签约的球员……
I mean, obviously, a couple of the new signings...
三个新签约的球员都踢了中场，对吧？
All three new signings played in midfield, didn't they?
桑托斯、贝利巴，当然还有蒂勒曼斯。
Santos, Beliba, and, of course, Telemans.
你有没有看到什么让你感到鼓舞的地方，还是……？
Did you did you see much to encourage you there or?
有点是因为他把布鲁诺·费尔南德斯放在了前场三叉戟的右路，这显然不是他最好的位置，也不是他想待的地方。
It was a little because he put Bruno Fernandes on the right hand side of a front three, which clearly it's not his best position and not where he wants to be.
我觉得那两个中场表现得还可以。
I thought the two midfielders did all right.
对阵马竞时，他们在活力、跑动和拼劲上确实比周末对阵热刺时有所提升。
There was certainly an improvement in terms of energy, legs, effort against Athletico than there was against Tottenham at the weekend.
在创造机会方面，他们创造了很多机会，布埃诺也有几次。
And in terms of chances created, they created a lot of chance and Bueno had a couple.
拉什福德也有一次机会。
Rashford had a chance.
布鲁诺·费尔南德斯有一次绝佳机会。
Bruno Fernandes had a big chance.
他们还错过了一个角球头球的机会。
They missed a header from a corner as well.
所以他们肯定会为此懊恼，因为他们本该进球的。
So that's what they'll be kicking themselves with because they should have scored.
那真是个非常非常难踢的地方，你知道的，西蒙尼在那儿。
It's a really, really tough place to go as we know with Simeone.
他能把现场气氛带动起来。
He gets the crowd going.
那是个很棒的球场，气氛也特别热烈。
It's a brilliant stadium, brilliant atmosphere.
西蒙尼对马德里竞技这支球队来说，扮演着非常重要的角色。
Simeone plays a huge part in who and what they are, Athletico Madrid.
所以去那儿比赛确实不容易。
So it's a tough place to go.
话虽这么说，考虑到周末发生的事，我觉得曼联这场比赛表现还不错，虽然比分上看不出来。
So having said that, all things being equal after what happened at the weekend, I thought it was a decent performance from Manchester United, although the score line wouldn't suggest that.
我之前就跟你说过这个。
I'm gonna talk to you about this before.
我也跟米卡提过，但你有没有看过那些社交媒体上的视频，就是问米奥尼他最喜欢谁的那个？
I obviously mentioned it to Micah as well, but did you, have you seen the social media clips of them asking to Mioni who his his favorite was?
我看到了。
I saw that.
迈卡当时就像……
Micah is like...
但他……
But he's...
不。
No.
他说的是戴眼镜的那个。
He said the one with the glasses.
他当时不知道他的名字，对吧？
He didn't know his name, did he?
哦，这样啊。
Oh, right.
好的。
Okay.
好的。
Okay.
他说，不是。
He said, no.
就是那个戴眼镜的。
The one with the glasses.
没人注意到这点，但他明显……
I mean, no one picked that up, but he clearly...
他……
I mean, he's...
你也会这么说，对吧？
I mean, you would say, wouldn't you?
那个
The one
戴眼镜的。
with the glasses.
我会对迈克尔温柔一点的。
I'll I'll I'll go gently on Michael.
我先不提这件事，等一等再说，因为他会特别兴奋。
I won't mention it for a bit and see because he'll get so excited.
他当时特别兴奋。
He was so excited.
他都跑到屏幕前去了。
He ran up to the screen and everything.
我迫不及待想跟他聊这件事。
I can't wait to talk to him about that.
我觉得那场比赛最大的新闻可能就是利桑德罗·马丁内斯赛后说的那些话。
I suppose probably the biggest story coming out of that game were the comments made by Lisandro Martinez at the end of the game.
他是这么说的。
He said the following.
说教练很容易。
It is easy to say the coaches.
说球员容易，但也要看其他方面。
It's easy to say the players, but also with...
看看其他领域。
To see the other areas.
你开始不停地换教练、换教练。
You start changing, changing, changing managers.
但其他方面呢？
But what about other areas?
我不能多说。
I can't say more.
我们期望高层，期望上面的人引进更多球员来竞争。
We expect more from the top, from upstairs to bring in more players to compete.
我期望我们的技术总监做得更多。
I expect more from our technical director.
那当然就是杰森·威尔科克斯。
That's Jason Wilcox, of course.
我得说实话。
I have to be honest.
上个赛季我们表现非常出色。
We had a fantastic season last season.
现在我们期待更多。
Now we expect more.
同样重要的是，要打造一支强大的队伍，为这样的夜晚做好准备。
It's also important to build a strong squad to be ready for this kind of night.
如果我们不说实话，什么都不会改变。
If we don't say the truth, nothing will change.
那就是……
That's...
我听你说过很多次了。
I've heard you say it many times.
他们在夏天没有得到支持。
They weren't backed in the summer.
对。
And Yeah.
他……
He...
球员能站出来说这种话，确实很不寻常。
I mean, I mean, it's quite unusual for for a player to step up and say that.
是的，确实如此。
I mean, yeah, it is.
昨晚比赛前我又说了，我真的觉得卡里克得到的支持不够。
I said it again before the game last night that I honestly don't think Carrick was backed enough.
而且我觉得，考虑到他上赛季带队取得的成绩和成就，他在夏天被辜负了。
And I think he was let down in the summer after what he did and what he achieved in terms of where he got them to last season.
他们应该更好地支持他，应该买更多球员。
They should have backed him better, they should have bought more players.
但我觉得，当我听到他这么说的时候，我首先想到的是，他说的话是对的。
But I think there are, when I heard him say that, I was thinking, my first thoughts were, what's coming out of his mouth is right.
是的。
Yes.
我觉得他说得完全对。
I think it's absolutely right in what he
但这样做合适吗？
But is it the right thing to do?
但他有没有私下跟他们说过什么？
But has he said anything to them in private?
我猜更衣室里都在传这个，除非他有什么个人目的。
Will he, I mean, I would have to guess that that's the talk in the dressing room, unless he's got a personal agenda.
他的合同到这个赛季结束就到期了。
Know his contract's up by the end of the season.
但我猜更衣室里都在传这个。
But I would guess that that's the talk in the dressing room.
但我觉得在这种情况下，球员刚输了球，他状态不好，或者说是缺乏状态，因为周末对热刺那场他表现太差了。
But I don't think a player in those circumstances, you've just been beaten, The form he's in or the lack of form because he was dreadful at the weekend against Spurs.
他被萨兰克欺负了两次，其中一次就是扳平比分的那个球。
He got bullied off Salanke twice, one which was the equalizer.
我猜球迷们，很多球迷，我知道你不应该只看社交媒体，但很多球迷在社交媒体上都一致认为……而且我觉得他说的话没错，但我觉得他当着数百万人的面说，而且是在输球之后，以他现在的状态和曼联现在的状态，那个场合和方式不太合适。
And I guess the fans, a lot of the fans, I know you should never judge social media, but a lot of the fans on social media are all in agreement what And he's I think it's right what came out of his mouth, but I think it was the right place to see it in front of millions of people and and in the way he did and after a defeat and the form that he is in and Manchester United are in.
我可能会把它比作教练公开点名批评球员的情况。
I would compare it possibly to when coaches single out players for criticism publicly.
我觉得在更衣室里说没问题。但这事儿挺有意思的，对吧？
I think it's okay to do that in the dressing And I think, well, I mean, it's a funny one, isn't it?
因为我觉得，就像你一样，我完全同意你的看法，这和马丁内斯的看法完全一致。
Because I think, like you, I totally agree with your opinion on that, which is exactly the same as Martinez's opinion on that.
但当你是一个团队的一员时，这就很难办了。
But when you're part of a team, it's difficult.
有时候情绪会失控。
And sometimes emotions run.
我觉得这也让新签约的球员处于一个尴尬的境地。
I think it also puts the new signings in a difficult position as well.
我觉得他不是在说那些新签约的球员。
I don't think he meant the new signings.
他只是觉得我们还需要更多，不只是靠那些人。
Just think he meant we needed more as well as those.
因为我觉得加布里埃尔·克拉克在Prime的采访中，他处理得非常好。
I mean, because I thought the interview Gabriel Clark who interviewed him for prime, thought the way he handled it was brilliant.
但显然他后来也想过这件事，因为他在CBS上又说了几乎一模一样的话。
But then clearly he'd thought about it because he then went and said exactly the same thing on CBS.
我觉得他说的话非常非常相似。
Think he said something that's very, very similar.
所以他很清楚自己在做什么，而且他选择了自己的时机。
So he knew exactly what he was doing and he chose his time to do it.
我只是觉得时机不对，而且球员公开批评上面的人，看起来不太好。
I just don't think the timing was good and I don't think it's a good look when a player is coming out and being critical of those above him.
虽然我觉得评论员可以说这些，但如果你还在更衣室里踢球，就不能这么说，至少不能公开说。
Albeit, I guess the pundits can say that, But you can't say that when you're inside the dressing room when you're playing, not publicly anyway.
对，我同意。
Yeah, I agree.
我觉得这跟教练批评球员完全是一回事。
I think it's exactly the same as a manager criticizing a player.
除非情况非常特殊，否则公开这么做不太合适。
Don't think it's the right thing to do publicly unless there are extreme circumstances.
我就是觉得现在这家俱乐部，乱七八糟的事情太多了。
I just think that club at the minute is, there's so much shit coming out of it.
不管是球迷抱怨票价，还是员工失业，还是在球场里……
Whether it's fans moaning about ticket prices, whether it's staff losing their jobs, whether it's in stadium or...
我觉得这点得稍微改一下，不管是球迷抱怨票价，还是你干脆就说票价。
I think should change that slightly, whether it's fans moaning about ticket prices, or maybe you should just word it ticket prices.
票价。
Ticket prices.
完全同意。
Absolutely.
员工失业。
I mean, staff losing their job.
他们经历了多少任主教练，聘请又解雇，支付赔偿金，还有那些来了又走的足球总监。
The number of managers they've been through, who they've hired and fired compensation, directors of football that have been in there and left.
还有在球场上，我觉得他们去年能重返欧冠确实做得不错，但他们看起来还是差得远。
It's, I mean, and also, I mean, on the pitch, I guess they did very well to get back into the Champions League last year, but they just seem a mile off.
我知道有很多讨论说，他们加强了锋线，加强了中场，也许他们还在等着补强。
And I know there was lots of talk about, well, they strengthened the forward line, they strengthened the midfield and perhaps they were waiting to strap.
我之前跟你说过，我对他们前场的实力并不太信服。
As I've said to you before, I'm not convinced of that good upfront anyway.
我觉得他们和顶级球队相比还差得很远。你看看曼城、巴黎圣日耳曼、皇马、巴萨、阿森纳，所有那些你认为能在欧冠走得很远、前场表现好的俱乐部。
I think they're a long way behind When the you look at the top teams, you look at City, you look at Paris Saint Germain, look at Real Madrid, look at Barcelona, look at Arsenal, look at all the clubs who you think of can go deep into the competition and do well in forward positions.
我确实觉得他们在那个位置上有欠缺。
I do think that they're lacking in that area.
我觉得有一点要说的是，曼联是个大俱乐部，显然在很长一段时间里取得了巨大的成功。
I think one thing you'd say, I mean, Manchester United, huge football club, obviously massive success for such a long period of time.
我……
I...
你刚才提到了几支能在欧冠中竞争的球队，但我觉得曼联根本排不上号。
You just mentioned a few clubs there that could compete in this Champions League, but I don't think you put Manchester United anywhere near No.
那些球队中的任何一支，
Any of those teams that
他们离那个水平还差得远呢。
They're a long way off that.
我知道他们差得远。
I know they're a long way off that.
但我也……
But I also...
这就是……
That's...
这很典型，不是吗？
That that is that is typical, isn't it?
因为我猜他们当初的第一和第二目标，现在都签不到了，因为那些首选目标都选择了其他俱乐部。
Because I guess who they went in for, number one and number two targets, they're they're not able to get anymore because number one and number two targets are choosing other football clubs.
对。
Yep.
那个……
Where that
这在二十年前、二十五年前是绝对不会发生的。
would never have happened twenty years ago, twenty five years ago.
绝对不可能发生。
It would never never have happened.
而且……
And that...
这就是曼联现在的处境。
That's that's where Manchester United are now.
阿森纳现在状态不错。
Arsenal are in a good place.
他们
They
是的。
are.
轻松战胜里尔。
Comfortable victory against Lille.
他们花了一些时间才进球。
I mean, took them time to get the goal.
他们有很多机会，一旦进了一个球，就像多米诺骨牌效应一样。
They had lots of chances, and then once they got one, it was like like the domino effect.
他显然做了一些调整。
He obviously mixed it up a little bit.
你知道，乔治奥斯上场了，还有一两个之前没上场的球员，他能这么做，因为你看曼联，他们确实没有足够的阵容深度，但你看像阿森纳和曼城这样的球队，我刚看了一场非常精彩的比赛。
Know, Georgios came in, one or two other players that had not left, and he can do that because you'd look at United, they haven't really got the strength in-depth, but you look at a team like Arsenal and Manchester City who I've just watched in an extraordinary game of football.
他们拥有的阵容深度和实力，显然，曼城的实力和深度要打一个星号。
I mean, the strength and depth that they've got, obviously, there's a slight asterisk against the strength and depth that City have got.
不过话虽这么说，曼联现在还没到那个水平，但阿森纳状态正佳。
But having said all that, United are not near that at the moment, but Arsenal are in a good place.
这场比赛和之前发生的情况很像。
The army was similar to what happened.
我知道里尔没进球，但阿森纳一进球，就变成了……
I know Lille didn't score, but as soon as Arsenal got one, it was a matter of...
他们就是连续进球，对吧？
They just went bang, bang, bang, didn't they?
是啊。
I know.
传球跑动、信心，还有第一个进球后的那股劲，然后他们就连进了三个。
The passing and moving, the belief, and the stroke that they had once that first goal went in, and then they got the three.
所以是的，他们状态真的很好。
So yeah, they're in a really good place.
他们周末取得了非常好的成绩。
They had a really good result of the weekend.
几周前输了一场之后，他们必须拿下这场胜利。
They had to get that after the defeat a few weeks ago.
所以是的，他们现在非常有信心，而且也应该这样。
So yeah, they're they're very confident, and so they should be.
不过凯·萨科，我们周末的时候稍微聊过他。
But Kai Sacco, we we talked about a little bit at the weekend.
他一上场就进了一个球，还送了一个助攻，我觉得这对他的信心肯定有帮助。
He came on and instantly had a a goal and an assist, and I think that won't do him any harm.
我是说，他本来就是个很优秀的球员，但每个球员在职业生涯中都会有低谷期。
Mean, know he's a really good footballer anyway, but every all players, we have a dip at some point in our careers.
你会经历一段困难的时期，然后必须挺过去。
You have a little difficult spell and you've got to come through it.
这可能是一个转折点。
Might be a little bit of a turning point.
我不确定，因为信心就是一切，对吧？
I don't know, because confidence is confidence is everything, isn't it?
然后你做出那样的动作，那真是个漂亮的进球，你会想，这就是我们认识的那个萨卡。
And you just do something like that, it's a really cool finish, and you think to yourself, that's the sackle we know.
完全同意。
absolutely.
而且这对他可能大有好处，没首发然后替补上场就进球，还送出助攻。
And it might do him the world of good as not start and then come on and score and I'm getting the assist.
你说得对。
Yeah, you're right.
如果周末他再进一个，我一点也不意外。
And it wouldn't surprise me at all if you were to get another one at the weekend.
我们继续聊聊周二晚上的比赛吧。
Let's stick with the the the Tuesday night's games for a bit.
除了阿森纳轻松取胜之外，还有几个值得讨论的点。
Just a couple of the the the talking points apart from Arsenal's comfortable victory.
巴塞罗那，他们先丢一球，后来反超了。
Barcelona, they came from one down.
看起来本来要变成两球落后，但当时有个越位。
It looked like it was gonna be two down, but there was there was an offside.
然后我只想聊聊拉明的那一下技术动作，你可能会……
And then I just wanna talk about that bit of skill from Lamine I mean, you you might...
好吧，我们俩就算在训练里也绝不会尝试那个，也不知道怎么……
Well, neither of us would have ever tried that even in training or known how...
我当时就想，我刚才是不是看到了？
I mean, I just went, did I just see that?
我真的看到了他刚才做的那个动作吗？
Did I actually just see what he did?
我知道他碰到了防守球员，球弹了出来，但即便如此，他控制球的方式，简直了，我就是喜欢看那个孩子踢球。
I mean, I know he hit the defender and it came, but even then the way he controlled it, it was just like, I just love watching that kid play.
说实话，我今天早上从马德里坐飞机回来，在飞机上我至少看了12遍。
Honestly, I was traveling back on the plane this morning back from back from Madrid, And I must have watched it 12 times.
每次我都想，
And every time I thought,
怎么
how the
他妈的
fuck has he
做到的？每次看都觉得更精彩。
done Every time it gets better.
就像，怎么怎么……
It was like, how how...
我觉得你说得对。
I mean, I I just think you're right.
我不会……
I wouldn't...
我们根本不会去尝试那个，因为我们会出大丑。
We we wouldn't even attempt to try that because we make the right tit of ourselves.
摔倒了。
Fall over.
但说真的，我们可能真会那么干，然后把自己弄伤。
But yeah, we probably would do, yeah, and get an injury.
但他到底是怎么做到的？
But he, I mean, how on earth he did that?
我以前好像没见过这种操作。
I don't think I've seen that before.
那真是神乎其技。
Was an incredible piece of skill.
我知道。
I know.
确实是啊。
I mean, it really was.
我的意思是，对。
I mean Yeah.
真是绝了。
Bloody extra.
这球员真厉害。
What a player.
而且在那之前，那个小小的，怎么说呢，传球还是传中，那个有点弧线的。
And even that before that, the little kind of, I don't know, call it a pass or a cross, the little, like, bent.
太棒了。
I mean, so good.
简直是完美。
Just perfection was
太棒了。
So good.
又一个奇怪的传球进球。
Another goal weird pass.
而且显然，那个技巧动作促成了安东尼·戈登的进球。
And, obviously, that bit of skill led to a goal for Anthony Gordon.
那是连续两场比赛的第二个进球了。
That's two goals in two games.
他表现得非常好。
He's doing really well.
状态火热。
Flying.
状态火热。
Flying.
他在巴塞罗那的表现和上赛季在纽卡斯尔时完全不同。
He's a different player at Barcelona to what you saw at Newcastle last season.
你觉得有什么不同？
What do you see differently?
我只是觉得他
I just think he's
大概是和更好的球员一起踢球吧。
Playing with better players, I suppose.
对，没错。
But Yeah.
对。
That.
他在那个环境里看起来非常自在。
He's And he looks very comfortable in the environment.
他做的每件事都显得很有信心。
He looks very confident in everything he's doing.
就连他的采访也显得特别自信。
And even his interviews are coming across as really confident as well.
感觉他正享受人生中最美好的时光。
Seems as if he's having the time of his life.
看到英格兰球员表现出色真是太好了，另一位表现出色的英格兰球员是哈里·凯恩。
It's good to see English players doing well and another English player doing well was Harry Kane.
我们提到了拉明·亚马尔两次精彩的表现，两次不可思议的助攻。
We talked about Lamine Yamal's bit of brilliance on two occasions, two incredible assists.
哈里·凯恩也进了两个球，还有一次精彩的助攻。
Harry Kane, two goals and a brilliant assist as well.
这两个人现在正面对决。
The two of them are going head to head.
哈里现在稍微变成了热门人选。
Harry's now shifted slightly to favorite.
我不知道你有没有注意到。
I don't know whether you've noticed.
他变成热门了，是吗？
Has he gone to favorite, has he?
对，他变成了……
Yeah, he's gone to...
我不知道他们是不是知道什么内幕。
I mean, I don't know whether they know anything.
通常就是受下注的人影响。
It's just normally influenced by people having wages down there.
我觉得博彩公司是英国的，所以对哈里·凯恩有点偏向。
I suppose that bookmakers are English, so there's a slight bias towards Harry Kane.
我觉得这很难说，到底谁会赢。当然，我们希望是哈里，因为我们认为拉明·亚马尔未来还有很多很多金球奖要拿。
I think it's touch and go which one Obviously, will get we hope it's Harry because we, think Lamine Yamal's got many, many Ballon d'Ors to come.
确实。
Absolutely.
没错。
Definitely.
我看拉明·亚马尔，我觉得他不太像梅西。
I look at Lamine Yamal and I see I don't see like it's not quite messy.
我觉得他身上有更多内马尔的影子，比……
I see a bit more a bit more Neymar about him than...
我们确实喜欢拿人做比较，但他总是……
Mean, we do like to compare people, but he's always...
这不就是两者兼有吗。
It's not a bit of both.
听起来……
Mean, sounds...
两者都有点。
It's bit of both.
对，差不多就是这样。
I mean, that's pretty Exactly.
挺好的，对吧？两者都有一点。
Good, isn't It's quite a of both.
他有那种内马尔的花哨劲儿，因为他会做那些不可思议的小动作。
He's got that kind of showbooty bit that Namal has because he do those incredible little bits.
但我觉得他也有梅西的那种拼劲，不过我不确定。
But he's also, I think got I don't know whether he got the drive of Messi.
我们得看一段时间才知道。
We'll see over a period of time.
这要看情况。
It depends.
但我的意思是，天哪，真是天才。
But I mean, God, what a talent.
你花钱买了票，当然希望看到精彩的表演。
When you pay your money for your ticket, you need to be entertained.
而他就是能做到这一点。
And that's what he does.
他总能让人看得过瘾。
He entertains.
他这么年轻，就已经是个非常出色的表演者了。
He's a he's a brilliant entertainer at such a young age.
过去两晚的欧冠比赛，我们确实看得非常过瘾。
We certainly were entertained over the last two nights of Champions League football.
拜仁慕尼黑也是。
Bayern Munich as well.
先是落后两球，然后反超到三比二，接着又变成三比三。
Two down, goes three two up, then he goes to three three.
你看到没有……
Have you seen...
我在这儿得稍微吐槽一下。
I'm gonna have a little bit of a rant here.
那就说出来吧。
Get it off your chest.
什么事？
What is it?
说吧。
Go on.
那个埃利斯，直接红牌。
The Elise say right red card.
哦，对。
Oh, yeah.
显然，他拉了他一把，所以他会吃一张黄牌。
Obviously, he pulls him back, so he gets he's gonna get a yellow.
然后兹拉特科·特里皮奇在他背后推了一下，还把球抢走了。
Zlatko Trippich then has a little dig in his back, and he grabs the ball.
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他拿着球，我看到有人形容他真的很蠢。
He's got the ball, and I've seen it described as he's really stupid.
他就是个白痴。
He's an idiot.
他把球扔了。
He threw the ball.
某种程度上，这话也有点道理。
And to a degree there's a sense of truth about that.
但他只是那样，轻轻一甩。
But he goes like that, he just flicks it up.
那根本不可能伤到任何人。
I mean, that could not possibly hurt anyone.
球只是轻轻落在那家伙身上。
It just lands softly on the fella.
然后他就在地上躺了两分钟。
He's then on the floor for two minutes.
对我来说，特里皮尔才应该被罚下，因为我觉得我们得改掉这种胡闹的表演，别再想着把别人搞下去了。
For me, Trippett should be the fella that get in a red car because I think we need to get rid of this nonsensical acting and trying to get other players sent off.
对。
Yes.
你可以说埃利斯太蠢了，他会错过下周对阿森纳的比赛。
You can say that Elise was stupid and he'll miss the arsenal game, which is coming next week.
但话说回来，拜托。
But at the same time, come on.
这挺丢人的，对吧？
It's embarrassing, isn't it?
你想想，三十年前要是有人这么干？
I mean, you imagine doing that thirty years ago?
你肯定会被骂得狗血淋头。
You'd get absolutely hammered.
你的队友也会找你算账。
Your teammates would have a go.
确实会。
You would.
我记得我们有个球员。
I remember we had a player.
你还记得纳伊姆吗？
Can you remember Naim?
记得。
Yes.
纳伊姆，那个半场线的。
Naim from the half a line.
记得他对阿森纳那个半场线进球吗？
Remember he scored the goal in the half a line against Arsenal?
我和他一起踢过球。
And I played with him.
我在巴塞罗那也和他一起踢过。
I played with him at Barcelona as well.
你踢过巴塞罗那，是吗？
You played for Barcelona, did you?
纳伊姆也踢过。
So did Naim.
这么说吧，他有点爱假摔，因为那时候大家都这么干。
Let's say he was prone to a bit of a dive I mean, because it was kind of that was what was done.
他以前经常用他的钻石来干这事儿。
And he he used to he was doing it with his diamond.
我跟他说，哥们，在这儿你可不能这么干。
I mean, say to him, you can't do that here, mate.
你不能，你不能那么做。
You can't you can't do that.
你这么说的时候，他说什么了？
What did he say when you said that?
我就是笑了笑。
I just laughed.
他笑了。
He laughed.
说实话，他后来学会了。
And to be honest, he learned.
他是个很棒的小伙子，人很好，球也踢得非常好。
And he was a great lad, a really good and he was a very good footballer.
而且他听劝。
And he and he he listened.
他真的听进去了。
He listened.
但我觉得……
But I don't think that...
现在好像不这样了。
It doesn't seem to happen anymore.
我也觉得现在不这样了，你说得对。
I don't think it does you right.
我只是觉得在更衣室里他们不会说什么。
I just don't think they would say anything in a dressing room.
我只是觉得大家都默认了，哦，好吧，如果球砸到你头上，然后有人只是轻轻一扔。
I just think it's sort of accepted that, oh, well, if the ball hits you on the head and someone just lits.
那甚至算不上是……
I mean, it wasn't even a...
那不是一个正规的掷球。
It wasn't a proper throw.
那只是随便一扔，对吧？就像……
It was just a throw up wasn't It just like,
这让我想起，虽然情况不同，因为那是针对裁判的，但雷·威尔金斯，1986年世界杯，你得确定我记得这个。
it reminded me, well it's different because it was to a referee, but Ray Wilkins, nineteen eighty six World Cup, you need to be certain I used to remember this.
如果不确定，就去查一下。
If not, look it up.
他因为把球扔向裁判，虽然不是特别凶，但直接被红牌罚下了。
He got sent off a straight red for kind of throwing the ball, sort of, not particularly aggressively at the referee.
他直接被红牌罚下，这差点让我们付出代价。
And he got a straight red, and it cost, you know, it nearly cost us.
我们好不容易才保住平局，顺利晋级。
We managed to just hang on for a draw and get through.
有人上演了帽子戏法。
Someone got a hat trick out.
抱歉。
Sorry.
抱歉，不好意思。
Sorry, apologies.
所以这种事时有发生，至少他会反省一下自己，想：我当时在想什么？
So those things happen and at least say we'll look at himself and think, what was I thinking?
我当时在想什么？
What was I thinking?
但说到底，既然我们在聊红牌，你看到布莱顿那次申诉成功的红牌了吗？
But ultimately Whilst whilst we're on red cards, did you see the did you see the red card that was the appeal for Brighton was successful?
我们又搞错了。
We got it wrong again.
你刚才不是说他们会道歉吗？
You were saying they were gonna apologize?
是啊，我当时就说了，我们又会因为另一个荒谬的判罚得到道歉，不是吗？
Well, said at the time where we'll we'll be getting another apology for another ridiculous decision, wasn't it?
就是……
I mean, it was just
我就是不明白他们怎么就没看到那个。
I just can't see how they didn't see that.
其实裁判判对了。
Well, the referee got it right.
场上的裁判，他确实判对了。
The referee on the pitch He did.
当时就判对了。
Got it right at the time.
虽然他本来可以判个任意球的。
Although he could have given a free kick.
对，他确实可以，但是……
Yeah, he could have, but
你可以争论那是不是犯规，而且很可能就是犯规。
he You could argue whether it was a foul, and it probably was.
但那个球无论如何都不可能不进守门员手里。
But there was no way ever that that wasn't going the keeper.
那是个失误。
It was a mistake.
人都会犯错。
People make mistakes.
但需要……
But it needs...
这话我们说过多少次了？
I mean, how many times do we say it?
那显然不是个低级失误。
It was it was obviously not a howler.
没错。
Exactly.
在我们继续聊之前……
Before we go on to...
有几场比赛我想聊聊，嗯，就是今晚那场。
There's a couple of games I wanna talk to about, well, tonight's game.
但首先，我们还有……
But first, we've got...
我猜你看了曼城那场比赛吧。
I presume you watched the City game.
看了。
I did.
我看了
I watched
曼城那场比赛。
the City.
那场比赛太精彩了。
What a game.
你知道吗？
Do you know what?
如果足球比赛都像那样，我完全支持作弊。
If you get games of football like that, I'm all for cheating.
巴黎圣日耳曼几年前可能就放弃了，不会……
I mean, PSG would have done one a few years ago and not...
曼城显然水平更高。
You know, Manchester City is obviously a different level.
但我的意思是，那场比赛真是……
But I mean, what a game of...
简直是……
I mean, it was...
机会一个接一个，射门也是一次接一次。
I mean, chance after chance and shot after shot.
还记得上个赛季拜仁慕尼黑对阵巴黎圣日耳曼的比赛吗？
Remember last season when Bayern Munich played PSG.
那场比赛也差不多。
And it It was similar.
那是一场非常精彩的比赛。
It was an amazing game
是的。
Yes.
虽然那场比赛也很精彩，但有些东西……
Where that was pretty But some of some of the stuff that
我知道。
I know.
巴黎圣日耳曼在上半场踢出的一些足球，那……
Some of the football that PSG played in that first half, That...
那种表现你很久都难得一见。
That's as good as you're gonna see for a long
我知道。
I know.
真的很久。
Long time.
还有曼城下半场的表现。
And City in the second half.
曼城下半场踢得确实很出色。
Like City were brilliant in the second half.
马雷斯卡的换人调整非常到位，换上了巴瓦迪。
The changes Maresca made were perfectly bringing Bawadi on.
杰伊也表现得非常好。
And Jay was really good as well.
那真是一场精彩绝伦的足球比赛。
It was a it was just a brilliant game of a brilliant game of football.
两支球队，两套阵容，在比赛中都坚信自己的打法，正面交锋。
Two players, two sets of teams gone head to head in the in the belief in the way they play.
这真是一场精彩的足球比赛。
It was it was a brilliant game of football.
哈兰德会进两个球，然后我想我还会再进两三个。
I mean, Erling will score two goals, and it'll be actually I'll thinking I'll do another two or three anymore.
多纳鲁马度过了一个有趣的夜晚。
Donnarumma had an interesting night.
我觉得第一个进球确实很精彩，但那是他的近门柱。
I thought he was, you know, I know the first goal was really good, but it was his near post.
你可能会觉得他本应该扑出来，但他几乎做出了一次精彩的扑救，结果球还是旋进了球门。
You thought he probably should have Then saved he kind of almost made a really good save and it loops into the back of the net.
然后他扑出了一个点球。
Then he saves a penalty.
别忘了还有一个点球没进。
You forget there's a missed penalty as well.
这场比赛太精彩了。
I mean, what a game.
恩里克的足球风格，我真的很喜欢。
I mean, know, Enrique's football, I just love it.
边后卫疯狂前插。
The fullback bomb on them.
看起来真的非常赏心悦目。
It's just really, really pleasing on the eye.
不过那支球队里有很多有天赋的球员。
There were so many talented players in that team though.
太多有天赋的球员了。
So many talented players.
亚历克斯·斯卡利亚也上场了。
Alex Scalia came on as well.
是的，没错。
Yeah, I Yeah.
我猜他们肯定是夺冠的大热门。
I mean, I guess they're gonna be favorites to go and win it again.
那真是
I mean, that was
了不起的成就
achievement that
要是能三次夺冠，那真是了不起，而且他们确实有实力，有经验，所以被看好也是理所当然的。
would be to go and win it three times and get set of favorites to do it because of who they've got and the experience.
而且，他们真是一支超级棒的球队。
And, yeah, they're just such a bloody good team.
简直难以置信。
It's unbelievable.
我很好奇那个戴眼镜的家伙今晚怎么看他们。
I wonder what that bloke in the glasses thought of them tonight.
我们很快就能知道了，艾伦。
We'll find out very shortly, Alan.
我明天早上会跟他聊聊。
I'll be speaking to him in the morning.
也许我也戴眼镜呢。
Maybe I've got glasses too.
我就戴着吧。
I'll keep them on.
顺便说一下皇马。
Quick word on Real Madrid as well.
他们八十四分钟时还一比三落后，后来逆转赢了。
They were three one down, you know, to eighty four minutes and came back and managed to win.
对，吕迪格在第九十分钟、九十一分钟进的球。
Yeah, Rudiger scored in the ninetieth minute, ninety first minute.
安切洛蒂正需要这场胜利，对吧？
Jorzea needed that, didn't he?
哇，这转折太精彩了。
Well, what a turn.
一比三落后的时候，你会想，哦，他这下可能有点压力了，但他最后还是赢了。
I mean, three-one losing, you you think, oh, he's gonna be under pressure a little bit from that one, but he managed to get victory.
好了，艾伦。
All right, Alan.
下半场我会跟那个戴眼镜的聊聊。
I'll talk to the guy with the glasses in the second half.
我们回头见。
I shall see you.
这期节目是周五播出的，其实到时候我们可能已经见过你了。
This is going out Friday, actually we'd have already seen you.
挺让人困惑的，对吧？
It's all very confusing, isn't it?
我们休息一下。
Let's take a break.
本期节目由健力士啤酒赞助播出。
This episode is brought to you by Guinness.
有些东西就是比赛日的一部分，而且随着天气变冷、舒适的季节到来，对我们很多人来说，那就是酒吧，尤其是你，艾伦。
Some things are just part and parcel of match day, and with the weather getting colder and cozy season kicking in, for a lot of us, it's the pub, particularly you, Alan.
嘿。
Hey.
没有什么比得上一杯好啤酒，对吧？
Can't beat a little good pint, can you?
是的。
Yes.
是的。
Yes.
那个声音。
That sound.
我现在越来越擅长这个了，你知道吗。
I'm getting good at this now, you know.
你越来越习惯了，对吧？
You're getting used to it, aren't you?
问题不该出在啤酒上。
It shouldn't be the pints.
看起来不错。
Looking.
现在该你走运了。
Have a lucky now.
你也不赖，米卡。
You're not bad, Micah.
一家好的酒吧，靠的是什么？
What makes a good pub?
好人、好酒、好气氛，尤其是比赛前。
Good people, good pints, and good crack, and especially before match.
那怎么没请我们去这家酒吧？
Why have we not been invited to this pub?
说得太对了，米卡。
That's a very good point, Micah.
你们每周都欢迎来，兄弟们，随时都可以。
You're invited every single week, boys, whenever you want.
听起来不错。
Sounds good.
让你的比赛日成为美好的一天，来一杯健力士官方啤酒，还有英超联赛的无酒精啤酒。
Make your match day a lovely day for a Guinness official beer and nonalcoholic beer of the Premier League.
用健力士酒吧查找器，搜索你附近供应健力士的酒吧。
Search for pubs serving Guinness near you with the Guinness Pub Finder.
你甚至可能找到一家入选健力士竖琴指南的酒吧，那里的啤酒特别棒。
You might even find one that's made it into the Guinness Harp Guide for pulling a particularly good pint.
18岁以上，详情请访问drinkaware.co.uk。
18 plus for the facts visit drinkaware.co.uk.
请理性饮酒。
Please drink responsibly.
我们
We
我们正在从10号航班获取声明，机上载有350名乘客。
are getting a statement from number 10 of that flight with three fifty passengers on board.
这场伟大的博弈，是英国和俄罗斯之间的战略较量。
The great game, strategic struggle between Britain and Russia.
我们评估首相，高度确信这是俄罗斯所为。
We assess a prime minister with high confidence it was Russian.
追究俄罗斯的责任是世界
Holding the Russians accountable is World
第三次世界大战。
War three.
击落了一架载有350人的英国客机。
Down a British passenger jet containing 350 people.
克里姆林宫的那个人在玩火，亚历克斯。
Man in the Kremlin is playing, Alex.
你得问问自己，你想玩还是不想玩？
You've got to ask yourself, you want to play or not?
你是首相。
You're the prime minister.
你什么都没做。
You've done nothing.
你准备好应对了吗？
Are you prepared for coming?
我们会
We would
需要理解政策
need to understand the policy
相关的背景今天会以框架的形式整理出来，然后下达到作战命令或补充命令中。
relevant context will be structured as a framework today and disseminated into an operation order or Frago.
一份补充命令，内容是杀死俄罗斯总统。
A Frago that says to kill the president of Russia.
是的。
Yes.
Goalhanger 的新作品。
New from Goalhanger.
谁能完成这件事？
Who is going to be able to pull this off?
你是我的兵。
You're my soldier.
你是汤姆·麦克达夫中士……
Are you sergeant Tom McDuff...
达菲？
Duffy?
一段独一无二的音频剧之旅。
An audio drama journey like no other.
像达菲这样的人，是我们最宝贵的武器。
Men like Duffy, they are our most valuable weapons.
这是一部技术严谨的地缘政治动作惊悚剧。
Devised as a technically rigorous geopolitical action thrill
我们有
We have
两位友好的国王。
two times friendly kings.
英国亮出最强的王牌，他是最棒的。
Britain plays its strongest arm He's the best.
对抗最强的对手。
Against its strongest foe.
别这么做，达菲。
Don't do it, Duffy.
猎熊行动。
Bear Hunt.
现在就在你收听播客的任何平台上线。
Available now wherever you get your podcasts.
欢迎回到《足球之外》节目。
Welcome back to the rest is football.
现在和我一起的是加里·利尼卡和迈卡·理查兹。
Now with me, Gary Linicka and Micah Richards.
所以我当时……
So I was...
显然，我们看不到你的报道，但我们都能看到你的一些社交媒体片段。
Obviously, we don't get your coverage, but we all get some of your social clips.
你和迭戈·西蒙尼相处得很好。
And you went down well with Diego Simeone.
我，什么？
I What?
嘿。
Hey.
我不太想提这个，各位。
I I don't like to mention it, guys.
我当时想……
I I thought...
你知道吗？
You know what?
那咱们还是提一下吧。
Let's mention it anyway.
你懂吧？
You know?
其实在CBS，比赛结束后我们会做采访，这很大程度上取决于比赛结果，挺难的。
Essentially, on CBS, after the game, we have the interviews, and it's very difficult depending obviously on the result.
不过我们也请到了一些非常棒的嘉宾。
But we've had some some amazing guests coming.
比如姆巴佩。
So we've had Mbappe.
奥利塞总是表现很好，因为他不太多说什么，但你知道他其实有所保留。
Olise is always really good because he don't really give you much, but you know he's holding back a little bit.
但他是个特别好的人，而且蒂埃里也执教过他。
But he's such a nice guy, and Thierry coached him as well.
所以那总是个不错的采访。
So that's always a good interview.
我能插一句吗？
Can I?
迈克，我稍微打断你一下。
I'm just gonna interrupt you slightly there, Mike.
就一会儿，因为你提到了埃利斯，我和艾伦一起处理过他的红牌。
Just just for a moment because you mentioned Elise there, and I did it with Alan, his red card.
你没有
You didn't
这次赛后没跟他说话，大概是因为他吃了红牌。
speak to him after the game this time, presumably because he'd got a red card.
他吃了两张黄牌，对吧？
He got two yellows, didn't
对。
he?
是的。
Yes.
我觉得那个在地上打滚的家伙才应该被红牌罚下。
I thought the guy that was laying rolling on the floor should have been the one who got the red card.
那确实挺尴尬的，对吧？
It was embarrassing, wasn't it?
这
It
太丢人了。
was pathetic.
我们得想办法解决比赛中的这种荒唐事，因为路易斯·恩里克刚才就……
We've got to do something about that kind of nonsense in the game because Luis Enrique just went...
就像，唉。
It was like, ugh.
有点……
It kinda...
就是……
It's...
然后他就那样……
And he it just went...
简直是……
I mean, it was...
唉。
Ugh.
太离谱了。
It's ridiculous.
你在电视前喊也没用。
You scream it at the TV out here.
真让人烦。
It's so annoying.
是啊。
I know.
总之，接下来聊聊西蒙尼。
Anyway, on to Simeone.
不过，总之，接下来聊聊西蒙尼。
But, anyway, on to Simione.
我们做采访的时候，用西班牙语，还有那些乱七八糟的。
And we we do the interviews, do it in Spanish, and all that sort of stuff.
我完全不知道他们在说什么。
I I haven't got a clue what's going on.
显然，蒂埃里会说西班牙语。
Obviously, Thierry speaks Spanish.
K也会说西班牙语。
K speaks Spanish.
但在我们开始之前，我们总会问，这个节目里你最喜欢谁？
But before we go, we always say, who's your favorite on this show?
基本上就是，你最喜欢谁？
Essentially, who do you like the most from?
你在Instagram或者社交媒体上看到的那些片段。
The clips you see on on Instagram or social media or whatever.
然后有人问了这个问题。
And the question was asked.
你知道好笑的是什么吗？
And you know what was funny about it?
它甚至都没提我的名字。
It didn't even say my name.
它可能根本不知道
It probably doesn't even know
我的名字。
my name.
你的名字，米卡。
Your name, Micah.
这就是原因。
That's why.
它就说那个戴眼镜的。
It it just said the the one with the glasses.
他说的是那个戴眼镜的家伙。
He said the guy with the glasses.
我上半场跟艾伦说的。
I said it to Alan in first half.
我……
I...
然后我说……
And I said...
我当时就说，他根本不知道迈卡是谁。
I was going, he didn't have a clue who Micah was.
他完全不知道我是谁。
He didn't have one single clue who I was.
总之，你没……
Anyway, you didn't...
你已经拥有了它。
You've owned it.
我接受。
I'll take it.
我接受。
I'll take it.
我觉得，显然，迭戈·西蒙尼最喜欢的应该是蒂埃里·亨利，但我觉得他可能忘了蒂埃里的名字。
I think, obviously, I think Diego Simeone's favorite would obviously have been Thierry Henry, but I think he'd probably forgotten Thierry's name.
所以他可能觉得说“戴眼镜的那个人”比忘了蒂埃里·亨利的名字更不尴尬。
So he's he's probably figured it's less embarrassing to say the guy with the glasses than it would be to have forgotten Thierry Henry's name.
太棒了。
Brilliant.
不过，加兹诺，这周欧冠足球赛真是精彩。
It's been a great week, though, for Champions League football, Gazno.
确实很好。
Really good.
你知道吗？
Do you know what?
我不知道是不是要早点去，我在那个……
I don't know whether I'm gonna go in a bit early, and I said it in the...
没说出来。
Said it without.
现在很少有球队摆低位防守了。
There's not too many low blocks around at the moment.
对。
No.
确实没有。
There's not.
比赛也因此受益了。
And the game the game is benefiting from that.
有很多……
There's a lot...
就是，你知道吗？
It's, You know?
而且我知道目前欧冠联赛的悬念不是很大，也许球队感觉比较轻松。
And I know that jeopardy is not huge at the moment in the Champions League, and perhaps that teams feel a little bit free.
但即使……
But even...
我们也会聊聊他们，因为维拉和利物浦都进了六个球。
You know, we'll talk about them as well because both Villa and Liverpool banged in six goals.
显然，我们看到了曼城和巴黎圣日耳曼之间那场精彩的比赛，而且你对巴黎圣日耳曼也有这样的期待。
Obviously, we saw the incredible game between City and PSG, and and you expect that from PSG.
我们知道他们怎么踢。
We know how they play.
但我只是觉得，即使是像阿特纳巴赫和拉斯克这样的球队，他们也……
But I just thought even the teams that played, like, Atenebache and Lask, they both...
他们没有……
They didn't...
没有人只是缩在后面，试图踢个0比0或者1比0。
You know, no one was just sitting deep and trying to get a nil nil or a one nil.
所以我觉得这……
So I think it's...
我，我，我就是……
I I I just...
如果低位防守的时代结束了，那该多好啊，是不是？
I'd be lovely, wouldn't it, if the age of the low block was over?
嗯，其实没有……
Well, there's not...
我不觉得，我觉得这要看情况。
I don't I think it depends.
阿森纳打低位防守，而且打得非常好，进了欧冠决赛，还赢了英超。
Arsenal play low block, and they do it really well, get to a Champions League final and win the Premier League.
但就观众来说，像我们这些看球的人，对，我……
But in terms of entertainment for the viewer, like us guys who are watching it, yeah, I...
我们不喜欢看摆大巴。
We don't like seeing low block.
但它确实有效。
But it is good.
我觉得防守也有它的艺术性，因为我认为后卫们并不想防守。
I think there is something nice in the art of defending as well, because I don't I don't think defenders wanna defend.
现在没人再去盯后门柱了。
No one defends a back post anymore.
传中从一侧过来。
The cross comes in from one side.
防守球员，站在右后卫的位置上。
The defender, set up at the right back.
我只是盯着球看。
I'm just looking at the ball.
你只需要打开肩膀。
All you have to do is open up the shoulders.
你只需要做到这一点，就能看到球和谁在跑进来。
That's all you have to do so you can see the ball and who's coming in.
你可以伸手挡一下，或者试着用头去顶球。
You could put your arm in, or you could try and head the ball.
这简直……
It's just...
这真的太离谱了。
It's it's it's ridiculous.
这让我很恼火，因为我觉得防守已经从这个比赛中消失了。
It annoys me because I feel as though defending's gone out of the game.
是的，我们想看进攻足球，但我们仍然可以看到防守的艺术。
And, yes, we wanna see attacking football, but we can still see the art of defending.
即使是一对一的防守。
Even it's one on one defending.
我们现在很少看到这种情况，而且，是的，作为一个防守球员来看，这很令人沮丧。
We don't see a lot now, and it's, yeah, it's frustrating for a defender to watch.
这对防守球员来说确实很让人沮丧。
It's frustrating for a defender.
但我们看足球比赛，享受那些精彩的部分，其实并不觉得难受。
It's not it's not frustrating for us to actually enjoy watching the important part of football.
那曼城对巴黎圣日耳曼那场比赛呢？
What about the City PSG game?
天哪。
Oh my gosh.
哪场比赛？
What game?
巴黎圣日耳曼怎么了？
What a PSG?
哎呀……
Oh my...
他们在场上踢得太精彩了。
They're a delight out there.
上半场他们表现得太不可思议了。
In the first half, they were unbelievable.
下半场的曼城嘛……
I mean, City in the second half were...
他们显然在拼命追分，但确实踢得非常好。
I mean, they were chasing it, obviously, but, I mean, they were really, really good.
但巴黎圣日耳曼，天哪，上半场那表现。
But the PSG, my goodness, in that first half.
你知道吗？
You know you know what?
赛前我本来打算做一期关于曼城的战术分析，就是曼城新中场组合，恩佐、安德森和希尔基，这赛季他们踢了很多场。
Before the game, I was gonna do a tactical piece on on City, and City in the new midfield with Enzo, Anderson, and Shirky's played a lot this season.
我当时不太想做这个分析，因为我觉得按他们的排兵布阵，我可能会显得很傻。
And I was reluctant to do the analysis because I thought I could look stupid here, essentially, in the way they set up.
希尔基的表现一直很棒。
So Shirky's been amazing.
他表现得简直太出色了。
He's been absolutely amazing.
但昨晚我回看了曼城对桑德兰的比赛，当博比上演帽子戏法的时候。
But last night, I watched the Man City Sunderland game back, and when Bobby got the the hat trick.
那场比赛有些地方我一点都不喜欢，但因为曼城5比3赢了，感觉就像被掩盖过去了。
There's elements of that game I didn't like at all, but because City won the game five three, it's almost like it was swept on the carpet carpet.
新教练马雷斯卡，战术上，我们知道他有水平。
A new manager, Maresca, tactically, we know he's got it.
在切尔西的世俱杯，高位逼抢。
The Club World Cup with Chelsea, high press.
他很有侵略性。
He was aggressive.
做得非常好。
Did really well.
所以我想，对阵巴黎圣日耳曼，曼城会怎么做呢？
So I thought, against PSG, what are Man City gonna do?
当我看到那个中场球员时，我想，哦。
When I saw the midfielder, I thought, oh.
考虑到巴黎圣日耳曼的球员速度、跑动和中场意识，如果曼城不能控住球，他们可能会在这里暴露问题。
With the legs of PSG, the movement, the awareness in the center of the park, Man City could get exposed here if they don't keep the ball.
比赛处于胶着状态。
And the game was in the balance.
我觉得控球率是五五开。
I think the the possession was fifty fifty.
但我们昨天了解到，希基在无球状态下，这根本不是他的强项。
But what we learned yesterday that Shirky, off the ball, it's not his greatest asset at all.
第一个进球时，那真的让人看得挺沮丧的。
On the first goal, which was really frustrating to watch.
所以曼城试图高位逼抢，这很好。
So Man City tried to press high, which is good.
哈兰德开始施压。
Harlem starts to press.
但接着希基，有人从他身边跑过，他不知道自己该跟着那个人还是去逼抢。
But then Shirky goes, someone runs by him, and he doesn't know whether he's he's supposed to go with that player or press.
所以他现在就处于那种尴尬的位置。
So he's in that position now.
所以如果你在前场处于有效位置，就直接去盯最近的人。
So if you're forward in the effective position, just go to the nearest man.
如果你不确定，想高位逼抢，就直接去盯最近的人。
If you're in doubt and you wanna press high, just go to the nearest man.
他……
He...
他反应慢了，现在安德森也失位了，因为他是在根据特基的动作来调整。
He's late in going, and now you've got Anderson who's out of position because he's sort of working off what Turkey's doing.
然后恩佐成了最靠后的中场，但实际上那个位置应该是安德森来站。
And then you've got Enzo as your deepest midfielder when, actually, that's where you want Anderson there.
我一直很赞赏安德森的位置感，尤其是这个赛季在英格兰，我觉得他在战术上和对空间的感知上进步了很多，但这次全乱了套。
I've I've lauded Anderson for where he's played, especially this season England, I think, tactically, and his spatial awareness is a lot better, but it was all it was all mixed up.
一旦你给巴黎圣日耳曼那么多时间和空间，他们肯定会让你吃苦头。
And as soon as you give PSG that time and space, they are gonna hurt you.
看着挺可惜的，因为我觉得往前看，那个自由人位置看起来真的不错。
It was sad to see because I thought going forward, that free looked really good.
看起来很有冒险精神。
It looked really adventurous.
曼城会控住球，进很多球，那依然很棒。
City would keep with the ball, scoring a lot of goals, and that is still great.
但在面对强队时，无球状态下，Shirky会很难受。
But off the ball against top teams, Shirky will will find it difficult.
他有点像那种老派的特立独行的球员，对吧？
He's he's like an old fashioned maverick kind of player, isn't he?
没错。
The Correct.
其中一个……
One of the...
他拿球的时候看起来特别过瘾。
I mean, great to watch when he's on the ball.
他们确实很厉害。
And they're amazing.
不过……
Let...
咱们也别光批评，曼城现在能这样，他已经做得很棒了。
Let's not just be critical because Man City, what he's done to now has been amazing.
看着确实很享受。
It's been great to watch.
他进的那么多球，右脚、左脚，他控制节奏的方式，还有他取悦观众的本事。
All the goals that he scored, right foot, left foot, the way he he slows it down, the way he entertains people.
他谈到了比赛中的进球。
He talked about the goals of the game.
他也是其中一部分。
He's he's part of that.
现在就是下一步的问题了。
It's just that next step now.
如果他想成为顶级球员，就必须在防守方面也下功夫。
If he wants to be a top, top player, he's gotta do this defensive side of
防守也是比赛的一部分。
the game as well.
我觉得
I suspect
他不会。
he won't.
他不会做防守工作？
He won't do the defensive work?
我，我……
I I...
他给我的感觉就是那种不太……
He strikes me as the kind of player that not...
不一定愿意接受这一点。
Won't necessarily buy into that.
我不确定。
I don't know.
我可能对他的性格或人品判断完全错误，但我确实看到了一些方面。
I might be completely wrong about his personality or his character, but there there are certain aspects that I see.
这就是我提到那个特立独行的事情的原因。
That's why I mentioned that Maverick thing.
他们不太想那样做，但他们在拿球向前推进时非常开心。
They don't really wanna do it particularly that way, but they're very happy on the ball going forward.
而且看看他们怎么……会很有趣。
And it'd be interesting to see how they...
他如何应对，是否最终会接受这一切。
How he copes, whether he does buy into that overall.
如今，你真的必须这样，不是吗？
I mean, nowadays, you you you really have to, don't you?
是的。
Yes.
确实必须这样，但你也可以调整你的布阵方式。
You you do have to, but you could also alter the way you you you set up.
也许不用压得那么靠上。
You don't have to press as high maybe.
这是你整体上的一个重大变化……
That's the big change of your overall...
就是你踢球的方式。
You know, the way you you play the game.
但如果他真有那么特别，你提到了“独行侠”这个词。
But if he's that special, you mentioned the word maverick.
你说在世界杯上，梅西不是跑了十年，但梅西就是那么特别。
You you said at the World Cup, Messi is is is not run for ten years, but Messi is that special.
我不是在把肖恩和梅西比较，免得有人私信我说，你在说什么呢？
I'm not comparing Shane to Messi before someone's in my DM saying, what are talking about?
之前我不太确定。
Before I'm not sure.
到你的私信里，米卡。
To your DMs, Micah.
他说，嗯，我不太确定。
Said, well, I'm not sure.
但我的意思是，如果他对曼城很重要，那你可能得调整一下你想做的事情，因为他一直表现得很出色。
But I'm saying, if he's going to be important for Man City, then maybe you might have to taper exactly what you want to do because he has been brilliant.
我很喜欢那样。
I'd love that.
我很喜欢那样。
I'd love that.
莱昂内尔·梅西给你发私信，米卡，说，打扰一下。
Lionel Messi slides into your DMs, Micah, and says, excuse me.
我知道你是那个戴眼镜的，但你能不能别
I know you're the guy with the glasses, but can you can you not
我确实错过了一些私信，但不是莱昂内尔发来的。
I've had some missed DMs, but it's not been Lionel.
我知道，我知道那本书。
I know that I know that book.
太棒了。
Fabulous stuff.
我觉得巴黎圣日耳曼可能是夺冠热门。
I mean, PSG probably have to be the favorites, I would've thought.
我也看了皇家马德里的比赛，顺便切换过去看的。
I watched Real Madrid as well flicking on that one.
那场比赛真是太精彩了。
I mean, what a game that was.
那真是有趣……
That's a funny...
有点疯狂的一场比赛。
Slightly bonkers game.
罗马三比一领先。
Roma three one up.
显然，那是穆里尼奥的老东家，他在那里很受欢迎。
Obviously, Mourinho's former club, they love him there.
所以他回去的时候是三比一落后，还剩六分钟。
So he goes back three one down, six minutes to go.
然后就开始因为角球丢球了。
And then it started just conceding from corners.
这
It
确实有点奇怪。
was It was odd.
这通常不是皇马进球的方式，但他们有吕迪格这样的球员。
Which is not normally the way you would see Real Madrid necessarily scoring goals, but but they have got, obviously, the likes of Rudiger and people like that.
所以总是有可能的。
So there's always a possibility.
如果你看整场比赛的话，当然，曼城对巴黎圣日耳曼是我们的主要比赛，但我们把所有比赛都打开了。
If you looked at the overall game, obviously, Man City PSG was our was our main game, but we had all the games on.
我觉得他们看起来有点脱节，我会这么说。
And they just looked a little bit disjointed, I would say.
我认为他们展现了韧性，坚持到了最后，靠吕迪格赢得了比赛，但目前还不够流畅。
I think they show character to to stay in the game and then get the win at the end with Rudiger, but it's not fluid at the moment.
你比我更常看西甲，但巴塞罗那看起来不错。
And you watch more La Liga than than I do, but Barcelona look good.
贝蒂斯这个赛季也表现很好，对吧？
Betis look good this season as as well, don't they?
是的。
They do.
他们确实表现得很出色。
They're doing really well.
但巴萨场均进球超过四个。
But Barca, I mean, they're averaging over over four goals a game.
他们看起来真厉害。
They look tasty.
我刚才提到过，但没说完……
I mentioned it without...
因为你得看看亚马尔那几下小技巧。
Because you gotta get a view of the bit of Lamine Yamal, the the little skill.
我的天哪。
Oh my word.
各位。
Guys.
这我还真是头一回见。
That was a new one on me.
我见过……
I see...
我见过有人那样挑球、踢球，但这次真是……
I've seen people flick, kick the ball like that, but it was...
但不是对自己。
But not to themselves.
不。
No.
不。
No.
不。
No.
说句公道话。
To be fair.
不过说句公道话。
To be fair, though.
他确实碰到了防守球员的折射。
He did get a deflection off the defender.
是的。
Yes.
是的。
Yes.
他成功控制住了球，并且牢牢地拿住了。
Managed to manipulate the ball and hold on to it.
那种感觉几乎就像苏亚雷斯一样。
Almost almost Suarez esque in that sense.
但那个动作显然是故意的。
But that skill was obviously deliberate.
姆巴佩是我最喜欢的球员。
Mbappe is my favorite player.
但拉明·亚马尔，我觉得上个赛季，我一直在说帕瓦斯卡利亚。
But Lamine Dream, I think last season, I was saying Pavascalia.
他的表现，尤其是赛季末段，我觉得那是最好的。
The way he performed, especially towards the end of the end of the season, I I thought it was the best.
我觉得他被低估了，因为他为格鲁吉亚效力，没有得到其他球员那样的关注。
I think he was underrated because he didn't get the limelight of other players because he plays for Georgia.
我真心这么认为。
I honestly believe that.
这暗示了他不会去世界杯。
A hint to not going to the World Cup.
对。
Yes.
但是亚马尔……
But Lamine...
那个梦想。
The dream.
他这个赛季开局表现最好。
He he he started best this season.
他把自己的比赛提升到了一个新的水平。
He he took his game to to the next level.
他……
He...
他在受伤之前的表现，甚至比现在还要好，他他……
He's at Lamine before he got injured, and even even more, he he...
他是最好的球员。
He's he's the best player.
他现在就是最好的球员。
He's the best player right now.
我跟阿尔说过，他……
I said to Al, he's...
对我来说，他更像内马尔，而不是梅西。
For me, he's a little bit more Neymar than Messi.
对。
Yes.
对。
Yes.
阿尔说，我觉得他两者都有点，这真是……
Al said, I see a bit of both, which is...
你能想象吗？
I mean, can you imagine that?
不过，我确实觉得他两者兼有。
I do see a bit of both, though.
我觉得他刚出道的时候，确实做了很多花哨的动作。
I I I think when when he first burst onto the scene, he was he was doing loads of skills and stuff.
但如果你真的看他比赛，尤其是在世界杯上，他会选择正确的时机。
But if, actually, if you watch him, especially in the World Cup, he was picking the right moment.
但比如说他们领先一两个球的时候，然后他就开始……
But say they're goal or two up, then then he just turn...
我要提一下罗纳尔迪尼奥。
I'm I'm gonna throw in a Ronald Didio.
我要提一下罗纳尔迪尼奥。
I'm gonna throw in Ronald Didio.
这就是我要说的。
That's what I'm gonna throw in.
他的平衡感、技术、时机把握和传球都很出色。
His his balance, his skill, his timing, his passing.
他还能用左脚外脚背传球。
You know, he's outside of the foot passing with his left foot.
这简直太离...
It's ridic...
太离谱了。
Ridiculous.
太离谱了。
Ridiculous.
多么出色的球员啊。
What what a player.
多么有天赋啊。
What a talent.
哦，他真的太厉害了。
Oh, he's he's he's so good.
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