历史上最伟大的俱乐部（预告）

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邦德把宾利停在布鲁克斯外面，拐过街角走进了公园街。

Bond left the Bentley outside Brooks' and walked around the corner into Park Street.

暮色柔和中，亚当风格的立面显得格外优雅。

The Adam frontage of blades was elegant in the soft dusk.

一楼的弧形窗上挂着深红色窗帘，而楼上三层的窗户旁，一位穿着制服的仆人 briefly 露面，正拉上那三扇窗的窗帘。

The dark red curtains had been drawn across the Ground Floor bow windows, and a uniformed servant showed for a moment as he drew them across the three windows of the floor above.

在中间那组人里，邦德看到两个男人俯身坐着，大概是玩双陆棋，他心想，同时瞥见了上方三盏巨大吊灯中的一盏，灯火璀璨，照亮了这个著名的赌场。

In the center of the three, Bond could see the heads and shoulders of two men bent over again, probably backgammon, he thought, and he caught a glimpse of the spangled fire of one of the three great chandeliers that illuminate the famous gambling room.

邦德推开旋转门，走到那座老式门房前，那里由布雷维特把守——他是布莱兹的看门人，也是半数会员的顾问和家族挚友。

Bond pushed through the swing doors and walked up to the old fashioned porter's lodge ruled over by Brevet, the guardian of blades, and the counselor and family friend of half the members.

晚上好，布雷维特，上将在里面吗？

Evening, Brevet, is the admiral in?

汤姆·霍兰，这正是现在听这个播客的人正在经历的事，对吧？

And that, Tom Holland, is exactly what people are experiencing right now as they listen to this podcast, isn't it?

他们也被迎入了这个世界级的俱乐部。

They too have been ushered into one of the world's great clubs.

《历史的余音》俱乐部。

The rest is History Club.

是的。

Yes.

其实我，我

I actually, I

杰克这个点子挺好的，

like the idea of Jack,

我们的制片人操办了这一切。

our producer, who's set this up.

咱们该给他起个名字叫布雷维特。

We should christen him Brevet.

他就是布雷维特。

He is Brevet.

从今往后，我们 definitely 应该叫他布雷维特。

I think we should definitely call him Brevet from now on.

他听了估计会不爽。

It'd probably annoy him

在某些方面，

in some

他没回话。

He's not replying.

不行。

No.

不行。

No.

不行。

No.

不行。

No.

他又出现了，而且还在笑。

He's reappeared, and he's actually smiling.

对。

Yes.

你说要以欢迎加入《历史其余皆虚无》俱乐部开头，可我想以詹姆斯·邦德开场。

So welcome to the you wanted to start by saying welcome to the Rest Is History Club, whereas I wanted to start with James Bond.

我知道。

I know.

这正好体现了两位主持人分别来自小报和《卫报》周六增刊的不同风格，对吧？

That's the difference between the tabloid and Guardian Saturday supplement instincts of the two presenters, isn't it?

不对。

No.

不对。

No.

不对。

No.

不对。

No.

我的意思是，你一解释清楚，

I've I mean, the moment you you explained it,

我欣然接受了，毕竟你说得对。

I was very happy to accept it because, of course, you're right.

这确实是最顶级的俱乐部了。

This is absolutely like the most exclusive of clubs Yeah.

人人都可以加入，当然，前提是得付钱。

Where everyone is welcome, provided, of course, they've paid.

不过提这个好像有点俗气，对吧？

Though it's rather vulgar to mention that, isn't it?

这可不是邦德会做的事。

It's not the kind of thing that Bond would

那他的生活里会发生什么？

What happens in his life?

关于那些俱乐部。

With clubs.

总得有人掏钱吧，肯定的。

Money must change hands at some point, surely.

可以想象。

Imagine so.

没错。

And yeah.

总之，这是你们订阅了‘超级翱翔·余韵永存’套餐后，每周都能收到的特别剧集第一期。

Anyway, so this is the first of the bonus episode that you will be getting every week if you have signed up to our Super Soar Away Rest Is History package.

我们每周二都会更新，大部分内容都会围绕上一周剧集的互动和反馈展开。

And we will release it every Tuesday, and most episodes will be very much focused on interaction and responses to the previous week's episodes.

我们会逐一看看你们的留言。

So we kinda go through your comments.

然后一起讨论这些留言。

We'll discuss them.

有时候我们会赞同。

We may agree with them.

有时候我们会不同意，但一定会提到。

We may disagree with them, but, we will certainly mention them.

这是因为大家发来了问题，

And Well, it's because people have sent questions

在推特上，我们都一一回复了。

on Twitter, and we've answered them.

不过很多时候，他们可能不同意我们的回答，或者我们完全没能按照他们预期的那种方式来解答。

But often, they may disagree with the answers, or or we may have completely failed to answer them in the in the spirit that they expected.

所以这是你们回来找我们的机会。

So this is your chance to come back to us.

只有一个 Discord 频道，对吧？

There's a single Discord, isn't there?

看起来像是

Which seems like

给聊天室起这么个搞笑的名字。

hilarious name for a A chat

房间。

room.

社交媒体聊天室。

Social media chat room.

所以你也可以上去，留下你的想法和留言。

So you can go on there as well and, and leave your thoughts and messages there.

我们可不干那些Blades会做的事。

What we don't do, we're not doing any of the things that Blades does.

你知道Blades那边是怎么做的吗？

Do know what they do at Blades?

不知道。

No.

他们有个规矩，你去住一晚，就会把你的钱全收走，这个是来自《月光骑士》的设定。

They take away when you go and stay overnight, they it says so this is from Moonraker.

邦德去他的俱乐部拜访时，就是这么处理的。

Bond visits m at his club.

第二天早上，他们会还你一叠新钞，刚印出来的那种。

They take away all your money, and they replace it with new money the next morning, Newly minted.

他们为什么要这么做？

Why do they do that?

因为如果你身上有现金，他们会——等等，他们会把钱熨平吗？

Because if you've got, like Do they iron it?

他们还会把报纸熨平。

They iron the newspapers.

我知道他们会熨。

I know they iron

把五英镑的钞票也熨一遍。

the iron the £5 notes.

这么干确实挺怪的。

They iron it does seem very weird.

我是说，他们怎么会有机会接触到皇家造币厂的？

I mean, but also, how how do they have access to the royal mint?

我是说，

I mean,

他们怎么能弄到这种新钞？

how can they get this new

新钞是从哪儿来的？而且在Blades的会员费就要一百英镑。

where do they get the new new but they also have so membership at Blades cost a £100.

所以初始入会费是五十英镑，然后每年还要交五十英镑，这是伊恩·弗莱明说的。

So for initial entrance fee and then £50 a year, says Ian Fleming.

但规定每个会员每年在赌桌上赢或输的金额必须达到五百英镑。

But each member is required is required to win or lose £500 a year at the gaming tables.

简单来说，如果你达不到这个标准，就会被踢出去。

Basically, if you don't, you get kicked out.

那我们要不要也引入这个规定呢？

Well, should we should should we introduce that?

我觉得我们，嗯，算是有点赌注

I think we, well have kind of bets

在网上赌博。

Online on gambling.

转向网络赌博。

Move into online gambling.

对。

Yeah.

为什么不呢？

Why not?

我的意思是

I mean

我们可以打赌，看能不能把某些说法或话题自然地融入到一期节目里

We could have bets on whether we could introduce certain phrases or topics into

没错。

Right.

比如融入到某期节目之类的。

Into an episode or something like that.

我的意思是，这其实很有潜力可以发展起来。

I mean, I think there's potentially scope to develop.

很多历史悠久的俱乐部都有那种记录赌注的本子，对吧？现在历史学家们还专门去翻看那些记录。

Because a lot of the sort of great historic clubs had kind of books, didn't they, where people write down bets, and historians now pour over them.

我们正该这么做，因为这是‘俱乐部版’《Rest Is History》的第一期，我们自然该拿俱乐部当主题。

We should be coming to this because we thought that since this is the very first episode of the sort of club of the clubland incarnation of the rest is history, we would devote it to clubs.

我们就是这么想的，对吧，汤姆？

That's what we thought, isn't it, Tom?

你平时经常去俱乐部吗？

Do you have do you are you a great club man?

我想这个我们待会儿再说，好吗？

Well, I think we may come to that later, mightn't we?

对。

Yeah.

我觉得你肯定会，因为你这个人啊……

I think you probably I think you will be because I think you're

你刚才提到那辆车停在布鲁克斯俱乐部外面。

You great mentioned the the car being parked outside Brooks'.

是的。

Yeah.

我们要不要……哇，这真是个让人期待的伏笔啊。

Are we gonna oh, what a tantalizing hint of things to come.

是的

Mhmm.

真让人好奇啊

Very tantalizing.

所以

So

你知道哪里

do you know where

最早的那些俱乐部是在哪儿吗？

the what the first historical clubs were?

你不知道吧？

Do you have any you don't?

安东尼和克利奥帕特拉那时候就有一个俱乐部。

Well, so Anthony and Cleopatra had a club.

他们那个俱乐部叫‘无可匹敌的酒鬼’，用希腊语说是……天哪。

They had a club called the inimitable livers, or in Greek, the oh, Jesus.

你是想用正确的文本、按正确的方式来做吗？

The Do you wanna do it in the correct text in the correct?

阿米特博伊

Amimetobioi.

阿米特博伊

Amimetobioi.

太出色了。

Brilliant.

太棒了。

It's fantastic.

真美。

That's beautiful.

简短利落。

Briefly done.

是的。

Yeah.

普鲁塔克认为，他们每天轮流款待对方，挥霍无度，简直超出了常人的想象。

And Plutarch, I think, says that they entertained one another daily in turn with an extravagance of expenditure beyond measure or belief.

是不是那个关于克利奥帕特拉打赌的故事？

Is that the one where they they're supposed to have Cleopatra is they have the bet?

我的意思是，俱乐部和赌注这件事，没错。

I mean, again, this thing with clubs and bets Yes.

看谁办的宴席最奢华，克利奥帕特拉就当场把珍珠溶解了。

Who could lay on the most expensive entertainment, and Cleopatra drops the pearl.

确实如此。

She does indeed.

关键是看谁能把晚宴办得最奢侈。

It's who it's who it's who can serve the most extravagant dinner.

对。

Yeah.

她把一颗珍珠溶解在醋里，然后喝了下去，据说真是这样。

And she dissolves a pearl in vinegar supposedly and and drinks

这显然不可能做到。

Which apparently can't be done.

不可能。

No.

有些历史学家费尽心思推测，她会不会事先就把珍珠泡在醋里了？

So some historians have gone to enormous efforts to say, had she maybe pre dissolved it in vinegar first?

我知道。

I know.

这种说法也不是没可能。

That's It's all it's quite possible.

当然，这根本不是真的。

Of course, it's not true.

所以，总有一个令人不安的可能性笼罩着所有这些传说。

So That would be That is always the the terrible possibility that hangs over all

这些故事。

these stories.

我的意思是，如果我们谈古罗马的俱乐部，确实如此。

I mean, so so if we're talking clubs in ancient Rome Yeah.

我的意思是，那时候确实有各种社团。

I mean, there there were kind of clubs.

当时罗马城那么大，自然就出现了不少社团。

There were clubs so Rome was such a vast city.

对。

Yeah.

否则，城市里的人根本就是互不相识。

And otherwise, it was so anonymous.

有些社团就是围绕着街角邻里形成的。

There were there were clubs for, people kind of focused on the local crossroads.

比如每年办个庆典，或者帮你操办后事，诸如此类的事。

So you would you know, there would be annual celebrations, might organize your funeral, that kind of thing.

这样人们在城市的喧嚣混乱中，还能找到一点归属感。

So that you'd have a sense of identity that was focused amid all the the chaos and the churn of the city.

差不多就是个社区小团体。

A sort of neighborhood club almost.

社区小团体。

A neighborhood club.

当然，某种程度上，今天我们称之为邪教的那些东西，其实也算是一种社团。

And then, of course, I mean, in a way, kind of what peep what today we would term cults are also kind of clubs.

没错。

Yes.

对。

Yeah.

这些社团正因为提供了另一种忠诚对象，历来都让罗马人心生猜忌。

So these and these precisely because they provide a kind of alternative focus of loyalty are invariably subject of Roman suspicion.

比如酒神崇拜，公元前3世纪传入罗马，特别受女性欢迎，总是引发……

So the the there's a the cult of of Bacchus, which is introduced in the third century, and particularly popular with women, which always arouses

所以这和希腊的狄俄尼索斯崇拜是一回事，还是有点不同？

male So is that the same as the cult of Dionysus in Greece, or is that slightly different?

嗯，是的。

Well, yes.

这是个狄俄尼索斯的崇拜团体，关于它具体做什么，还有一些传闻。

It's it's a Dionysic cult, and there are kind of stories about what it involves Yeah.

这就解释了为什么当时人们试图对它加以管控。

That explains why it was they attempted to regulate it.

不过，就连基督教，我也知道不该提这个，但它确实也算是一种团体。

But, I mean, even Christianity, I I and I apologize for mentioning it, but but it it it is a kind of club.

这正是它能成功的重要原因之一。

That's a huge part of its success.

对。

Yeah.

你知道，它让你有机会结识来自不同背景的人，一起分享生活。

You know, you are it's it it provides you with an opportunity to meet people from various backgrounds and to share things.

就像罗马那些社区团体一样，它能让你知道，自己的健康有人管，出事了也会有人照应。

And and a a bit like with the community clubs in Rome, the opportunity to to know, say, that your, you know, your health is gonna be covered or people will look out for you if you get

遇到麻烦的时候。

into trouble.

我的意思是，这确实是。

I I mean, that's

这确实是其中一部分。

definitely a part of it.

但我的意思是，这跟我们说的还不太一样，不是那种……

But, I mean, that's not quite what we mean by But but not Am

我觉得密特拉教更像是个俱乐部，像是军官版的共济会，我这么想没错吧？

I not right in thinking that the the cult of Mithras was very much a club, an officer's kind of Freemasonry.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我们会谈到共济会的，毕竟它确实是个俱乐部。

Well, we'll come to Freemasonry because Freemasonry is a club.

我的意思是，这确实是个俱乐部。

I mean, absolutely is a club.

而且实际上

And actually

那么我觉得，密特拉教确实差不多就是这样。

Then then I think you could say that the the the Mithras cult is Yeah.

跟那个很接近。

Is pretty close to that.

你刚才提到巴克斯和那些关于放荡的猜测，

Well, you know the thing about you were saying about Bacchus and the suspicion of debauchery and stuff.

我的意思是，这种事在任何俱乐部都存在。

I mean, that runs through all clubs.

没错，完全对。

So Absolutely.

很多

A lot of the

我们说的这些社团，人们怀疑其中一些——虽然不是很多，但确实有那么几个。

clubs that we talk about, people suspected them of well, not a lot of them, but some of them.

就算随便想想，大卫·卡梅伦不是也被传参加过一个社团活动，还跟一头猪头扯上关系吗？

And even if thinking sort of on the hoof as it were, on the on the trotter, of course, David Cameron was famously involved in a clubland clinch, wasn't he, with a pig's head, allegedly.

那个是皮尔斯·盖斯顿社。

Was that that was so that was the the Piers Gaveston club.

皮尔斯·盖斯顿协会，我记不太清了。

The Piers Gaveston Society, I

对。

think.

你是牛津毕业的？

You're an Oxford man?

是的。

Yeah.

但我没被邀请。

I wasn't invited.

你当时是成员吗？

Were you a member?

不是。

No.

我不是。

I wasn't.

我不是。

I wasn't.

所以卡梅伦是皮尔斯·加韦斯顿的……

So the Piers Gaveston Cameron was

皮尔斯·加韦斯顿学会的成员，这个学会大概是以……命名的

a member of the Piers Gaveston Society, which is presumably named after

爱德华二世。

Edward the second.

爱德华二世的顾问兼宠臣。

Edward the second's of adviser stroke catamise.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yes.

但我以为皮尔斯·加韦斯顿协会一年只开一次会，就是搞个盛大的派对什么的。

But the Piers Gaveston only met, I thought, once a year, and they just had a massive party or something.

大家坐迷你巴士去野外， basically 就是开个派对狂欢。

And people were bust out in minibuses to a field and had basically a rave.

那头猪啊，我是说，是假扮的。

And the pig was I mean, was made up.

我是说，他确实把猪头带去了。

I mean, but he took the pig's head with him.

猪头在牛津其实挺常见的，我记得参加过一个派对，有人真带了个猪头去。

Pig's heads were quite a feature of Oxford, actually, because I remember going to a party where someone took a pig's head.

剑桥那边也有这种事吗？

Was there any of that in Cambridge?

它们是在有顶的市场里出售的。

They they were they were for sale in the covered market.

你看，这就是圆颅派和骑士派的区别。

See, that's the difference between Roundhead and Cavalier.

确实如此。

It is.

我想是的。

I suppose it is.

是的。

Yeah.

牛津本来就是一座很骑士派的城市。

Because Oxford is a very Cavalier city, of course.

不过，汤姆，俱乐部最鼎盛的时期是在那之前，毕竟俱乐部在某种程度上一直以非正式的形式存在着。

But the heyday of clubs, Tom, is base I mean, clubs basically must have existed in some informal way.

还有骑士团这类组织，我想你也可以这么说，是的。

And, course, orders of chivalry, I suppose you could say it Yeah.

没错。

Definitely.

一个俱乐部。

Of a club.

没错。

Definitely.

没错。

Definitely.

我是说，加入圆桌会议。

I mean, joining the roundtable.

是的。

Yeah.

最经典的应该是萨加雷特，对吧？

So the the classic one is Sagareth, isn't it?

高文的弟弟是谁？

Who who's who's the younger brother of Gawain.

那他后来怎么样了？

And what happens to him?

他想加入圆桌骑士团，也知道自己的出身高贵。

Well so he want he wants to join the round table, and he knows that his high birth.

这是给 Restis History Pod 会员的首期附加剧集预告。

That was a preview of the first bonus episode for restishistorypod members.

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Confidence means taking risks, acknowledging your fears and, well, doing it anyway.

在本系列中，我会采访心理学家、企业家和商业领袖，带你重新思考挑战，培养自己的自信。

In this series, I'll be talking to psychologists, entrepreneurs and business leaders to unpack how you can rethink challenges and grow your own confidence.

我们会聊聊如何分辨自信和能力的区别，怎样应对办公室政治和功劳被抢，当然还有如何面对拒绝，最终帮助你成为更出色的领导者、团队成员，甚至更好的人。

We'll talk about how to spot the difference between confidence and competence, how to deal with office politics and stolen credit and, yes, handling rejection, and ultimately, how you can become a better leader, teammate, and, yes, a better person.

《无论如何去做》，由凯西·凯主持，每周五上线，各大播客平台均可收听。

Doing It Anyway with Kathy Kay every Friday wherever you get your podcasts.dotcom.

感谢收听《休息才是历史》。

Thanks for listening to the rest is history.

如需获取独家附加集、提前收听权限、无广告体验，以及加入我们的聊天社区，请前往 restishistorypod.com 注册。

For bonus episodes, early access, ad free listening, and access to our chat community, please sign up at restishistorypod.com.

网址是 restishistorypod.com。

That's restishistorypod.com.