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大家好，我是汤姆·霍兰德，来为大家介绍一档全新播客《汤姆与多姆的余下皆历史》。多姆，简单来说，我认为伟大的概念源自古代历史。而你，当然，你是一位现代历史学家。

Hi. I'm Tom Holland here to tell you about a brand new podcast called The Rest is History with Tom and Dom. So, basically, Dom, what I'm saying is that the the idea of greatness is comes from ancient history. Yeah. And but but you, of course, you're you're a modern historian.

所以我的意思是，基本上，现在没有伟人了。不，确实没有。

So, I mean, basically, you don't have great people. No. Not really.

冷漠是如此被低估。

Apathy is so underrated.

没错。因为你知道得越多就越明白——如果想找个全民关心政治、谈论政治的地方，那就是1934年的西班牙。对。

Yes. Because the more you know, if you ever wanna find somewhere where everyone cares about politics, they're talking about politics. Yeah. That place is Spain, 1934. Yes.

你绝对不想成为一个对政治毫无兴趣的乐土。正是如此。英国内战时期，我就自认为是'棍棒派'。那些人根本不想为任何一方作战。

You don't don't want Happy be the land that takes no interest in politics. Right. Exactly. In the English Civil War, I was identified with the club men. They were people who basically didn't want to fight on either side.

他们两边都打。所以他们会拿着棍棒（因此得名），退居森林生活。而如果你像腓特烈大帝那样行事，最终就会躲在柏林的地堡里被苏军围攻。是的，我认为那不是我想要的结局。

They fight both. So they they they would get clubs, hence their name, and they would go and retreat and live in a forest. So whereas if you behave like Frederick the Great, you're gonna turn back in a bunker in in Berlin, being attacked by the Soviets. Yeah. And I I think that That's not the fate I want for myself.

剩下的就是与汤姆的历史了。这就是我和我的陪练伙伴多米尼克·桑德布鲁克，每周用大约半小时浓缩整个人类历史，或者说尽可能多的部分。现在就订阅吧。在您获取播客的任何地方都能收听。感谢收听《剩下的就是历史》。

The rest is history with Tom. That's me and Dom, my sparring partner, Dominic Sandbrook, distilling the entirety of human history or at least as much of it as we can fit into about half an hour a week. Subscribe now. Available wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for listening to The Rest is History.

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