《F1》与比尔·西蒙斯、克里斯·瑞恩和范·拉坦

就像《白人也能跳》那样。

Like white man can't jump.

就像《白人也能跳》那样。

Like white man can't jump.

就差这一没拍了。

That's the only thing they didn't do.

说实话吧。

Let's be honest.

确实如此。

It's true.

就差这一项了。

That's the only

这部电影里压根儿没提。

thing they didn't do in this movie.

对啊。

Yeah.

他根本没正眼瞧他，就来一句：你知道吗？

He never looked at him and and goes, you know what?

你们这种人就是不行

Your type just can never

哦，那家伙还真干了。

get Oh, the dude, did.

他确实用那句话戳中了要害。

He did kind of get the HEI with the words.

他确实做到了。

He did.

参与奖是吧？

The participation trophy Yeah.

可后来达姆森回来问了：你这话什么意思？我这种人？

But but and then you have Damson come back and what what do you mean my type?

对啊。

Yeah.

白人不会跳球。

And white men can't jump.

他们直接就说出来了。

They just straight up say it.

是的。

Yeah.

黑人球员长得帅输了，白人球员长得丑反而赢。

Like, black guys with whether look good and lose, white guys with whether look bad and win.

这其实挺搞笑的。

And that's actually funny.

但这部电影，他们干脆避而不谈。

But this movie, they're like, let's stay away from it.

现在日子不好过。

Times are tough.

那支倒霉的队伍，对。

The downtrodden team Mhmm.

这队伍快完蛋了，特别需要来点刺激，这种套路总能奏效。

That's about to go under and desperately needs a spark, that always works.

就是那段关于追逐人生中那件唯一大事的独白。

The monologue about chasing the something, the one great thing.

你知道吧，以前我爸爸临终前跟我说了一堆话。

You know, once upon a time, my dad when my dad died, he told me blah blah blah.

就是得有那么一分钟，得有那么点关键的东西。

Like, you need that one minute something.

那个天降横祸、彻底搞砸的转折点。

The big accident monkey wrench.

这种桥段我见过无数次了。

I've seen that a million times.

然后就是高潮的那场终极比赛、对决或较量。

And then the climactic race race fight game.

我能加个更新一点的桥段吗？

Can I throw one new newer one in there?

给我。

Give me.

这部电影老被人拿来跟《壮志凌云2》比，同一个导演，故事大体上也有点像。

This movie gets compared to Top Gun Maverick a lot, same director, and kind of like broadly, like some of the same story.

汤姆·克鲁斯，还有那些关键的转折点。

Cruise and pick of the switch parts.

估计也还行吧。

Probably been fine.

不过这玩意儿简直就是《点球成金》加了兴奋剂。

It's kinda Moneyball on steroids though.

因为啊，

Because Oh,

讲的是一群不起眼的弱队，怎么找到突破口、钻空子。

it's about a scrappy group of underdogs figuring out how to exploit the margins and

哦，这简直就是拼图电影。

Oh, jigsaw puzzle movie.

怎么

How do

把这拼图凑起来呢？

we put together the puzzle?

其实整个计划C说白了就是比利·比恩的思路。

But it's also like plan c is the whole, like, is basically Billy Bean.

你懂的。

You know?

咱们没法硬碰硬赢他们，只能靠这些旁门左道在暗地里翻盘。

It's like, well, we can't beat them just straight up, so we have to do all this other stuff to beat them in the attic.

皮特有段话特别棒，说只要我能提升十分之一秒，

Pitt has that great speech about if I can get one tenth of a second better,

你要是能提升十分之一秒，

and you can get one tenth.

就能成事。

You can.

五次，是的。

Five Yeah.

我觉得，没错，这确实是一秒。

I'm like, yeah, that is a second.

对。

Yeah.

咱们能省下七十秒左右。

We'll save, like, seventy seconds.

还有一处你可能会漏掉。

There's also one that you miss.

这部电影里没拍这个场景，但事情确实发生了。

They don't do it in this movie, but it still happens in this movie.

明白了。

Okay.

这部电影里没有那个场景——哈维尔·巴登的角色跟其他人坐在一起，说咱们非赢不可。

The the this movie doesn't have the scene where Javier Bardem's character is sitting around with the rest of the people and they're like, we really gotta win.

他说：我认识一个人。

And he goes, I know one guy.

我知道。

I know.

对啊。

Yeah.

我认识一个人。

I know one guy.

我不确定他会不会答应。

I don't know if he'll do it.

大家默认这事发生过，但你还得去请这位老哥复出。

It's like that's it's assumed that that happened, you know, but then you gotta go get this guy out of retirement.

他们不是得问你：在找我之前，你联系过多少人？

Well, they do have the whole how many guys did you call before you got to me?

比如第七个。

Like the number seven.

这个动作场面也很棒。

That's a good action one too.

这种体育片老套路在这部片子里完全反过来了，而且做得更好——女主角根本不是那种说‘你不行’‘你会死的’类型。

A sports movie trope they do not have in this, and they actually have the reverse of it and so much better, is that the female the lead female in this is not like the, you can't do it.

你这会儿可别想死。

You're gonna die.

结果发现她其实——

It turns out she has

工作酷到不行。

the coolest job.

她不是在做那种——

She's not doing

她干的是‘突袭’那种活儿。

the age, Raid.

她的工作特别酷。

She has a cool job.

是的

Yeah.

她这个角色特别棒，我觉得这也是这部电影这么耐看的原因之一。

And she's a great character, and I think that's one of the reasons this movie is so rewatched.

但我超爱凯瑞·康顿的那些戏份。

But I love the Kerry Condon scenes.

我完全信服这个角色。

I I believe the character.

我希望她能好起来。

I want her to get better.

我相信她其实早就看穿了布拉德·皮特。

I believe that she's in on Brad Pitt.

我希望他们最后能走到一起。

I want them to end up together at the end.

这种剧情真的很难演得自然。

It's just another hard one to pull off.

她特别喜欢她。

She loves her.

那个活泼可爱的爱尔兰小老太太。

That little spark plug Irish lady.

你喜欢这种鞋？

You like that type of shoe?

是C。

And it's C.

R。

R.

威尔·豪斯。

Will House.

你就喜欢这种类型——在酒吧里端着大杯啤酒，她还特爽快地说：‘对！’

You like that type of with that big pint in the bar, and she's like, yes.

如果她在这部电影里抽烟的话，

If she was smoking in this movie,

那我肯定得跟我老婆离婚，去追她来着。

I'd probably leave my wife work.

她当时叼着一根长长的维珍妮细烟。

She's got a big, long Virginia Slim.

对。

Yeah.

哦对了，那个牌子现在还在做烟吗？

Well, you they make

那个

the

这个角色嘛，你懂的，在别的方面还挺让人向往的，但要说其他方面的话，她也太容易就跟人上床了。

character, like, you know, aspirational in other ways because in some ways, I mean, she gives up the ass super quick.

简直是毫不扭捏。

Just straight up.

这我可不敢苟同。

I don't know about that.

那可是整整一季的事儿。

Well, there was a whole season.

不是就仨月那种，

Not like three,

是四个月。

four months.

七颗里斯巧克力，

Seven Reese's

直到我们说到重点，一般来说，我呢，

till I we get to the mean, normally in a well, I'm

不过话说回来，她对布拉德可真是甜得不行。

saying this Super sweet on Brad, though.

通常这种电影里，角色的美德就在于她不肯轻易就范，可她偏偏还是给了。

Normally in a movie like that, the the virtue of the character is in that she doesn't give up the but then she gives up the ass.

然后呢，她就彻底爱上他了。

And then, I mean, she's straight up loving him.

她整个人都陷进去了。

She's on the whole thing.

她直接亲了他肩膀一下。

She just She kissed his shoulder.

她真的很喜欢他。

She really liked him.

她真的挺喜欢他的。

She really liked him.

我觉得他们跳过了结局部分，我觉得她本该更难过一点的。

I think they kind of zoomed past the ending that, I think she would have been a little more upset.

他就来了一句：行吧。

He was just like, alright.

回头见。

I'll see you later.

我这边有点关于这个的事儿。

I have some stuff about that one.

他就那样

He was just like that

我知道我们相爱，但是

I know we're in love, but

我要去下加利福尼亚了。

I'm going to Baja.

对吧？

Right?

等你回来，给我打电话啊。

Like Come back when ring me when

你回来的时候，小虎。

you get back, Tiger.

不行。

No.

什么？

What?

你就这么走了？

You you just out.

我喜欢这一点，选角特别棒，她确实很可爱，这不用说。

Well, one thing I love about this, the casting, and she's really cute, obviously.

对。

Mhmm.

但我觉得在九十年代，他们只会挑个最漂亮的女演员，然后硬说她就是这个角色。

But I think in the nineties, this just they just would have picked whoever the best looking actress is and made believe she was this.

我真觉得她是在努力打造一辆完美的车。

I really believe that she was trying to put together the perfect car.

是的。

Yeah.

我也觉得他们俩最后一定会在一起。

I also believe that the two would end up together.

他们做得真不错。

I don't They did a great job.

布拉德·皮特。

Brad Pitt.

所以我不知道这部片子在21世纪最佳体育电影里能排到啥位置。

So I don't know where this is gonna rank on the best sports movies of the twenty first century so far.

我可能哪天会列个清单，也可能不会。

I may or may not have a list at some point.

今天先不谈这个。

Not today.

哦，这样啊。

Oh, okay.

谢谢啊。

Appreciate

不过不管你怎么排，布拉德·皮特都演了其中两部。

it.

不过布拉德·皮特都演了其中两部，不管你咋排。

But Brad Pitt was in two of those movies, regardless of what your list is.

《点球成金》和《F1》。

Moneyball and F1.

这两部片子他都演了，真是一肩挑。

Double Duty for this.

我记不清了，可能是跟你一起做的时候，也可能是跟韦斯利做的。

I did when, when you and I did our, or maybe I did this with Wesley, can't remember.

我之前在播客里做过一期，讲布拉德·皮特这几十年作为男主角的整个演变，大概分六个阶段：从帅气小鲜肉起步，到新手男主，再到一线巨星，然后是布拉伦娜巅峰期，名气直接上天，最后是布拉伦娜狂热期。

I did it on my pod with somebody, the four decades of Brad Pitt, as a leading man in all the arcs, where the six stages basically, up and coming handsome guy, leading man on training wheels, A Lister, Brangelina Hay Day when he goes to another level of fame, Brangelina Swoon.

到了2019年《好莱坞往事》，他就彻底成了传奇符号。

And then in 2019 with Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, we entered the Brad Pitt as the icon.

没错。

Yes.

我们做《好莱坞往事》那期的时候，他这部片片酬就拿了三千万美元。

When we do Once Upon a Time in Hollywood at Astra F1, he got $30,000,000 for this movie.

我觉得他本人就是让大家认真看待这部电影的关键原因。

And I think he's a big reason why people took it seriously.

这已经是三十五年的职业生涯了，CR。

This is now a thirty five year career, CR.

但我还是觉得大家会觉得汤姆·克鲁斯比他更厉害。

And yet I still feel like people would have Cruise above him.

我甚至觉得可能马特·达蒙都比他更受认可。

I even think people would have maybe Damon above him.

你疯了吗？

Are you nuts?

我觉得莱昂纳多

I think Leo

你会觉得马特比达蒙强？

would be Matt above Damon?

对啊。

Yeah.

那你觉得布拉德·皮特算什么？

I think what would be Brad Pitt?

那些顶流演员们。

The biggest actors.

你说的这都是

What are

什么跟什么啊？

you talking about?

是说他们的票房号召力吗？

Is it like a box office draw

或者说他有没有得到足够的认可？这才是我想问的。

or he gets enough credit, I guess, is my question.

我觉得问题在于，

I think the thing with

大家会不会把布拉德·皮特排在阿汤哥之后当第二名？

Brad Would people Pitt throw him out second after Cruz?

不会的。

No.

我觉得莱昂纳多会排第二。

I think Leo will go second.

我觉得布拉德·皮特比那几位更拼，

I think Brad Pitt works more than those guys,

看样子是这样。

it seems like.

他失败的作品也更多。

He's had more misses.

对啊。

Yeah.

他接的戏更多，出的作品也更多，而且我觉得他现在终于进入了像保罗·纽曼《金钱本色》那个阶段。

And he takes more swings, and he produces more stuff, and I think he also has kind of settled into now, finally, Paul Newman, Color of Money era.

可能比当年的保罗·纽曼还年轻一点，但他已经开始接受——这是我职业生涯的黄昏期了，角色反而因为这个变得更棒了。

Like, maybe a little younger than Paul Newman was at that point, but is starting to embrace the idea of being like the, like, this is the Twilight part of my career, and the roles are really great because of that.

你觉得他怎么样？

What do you think of him?

我觉得布拉德·皮特搞出了自己独一无二的风格，跟他那代演员完全不一样。

I think that Brad Pitt carved out a Brad Pitt thing that makes him incomparable to a lot of his contemporaries.

他的职业生涯真的特别有意思。

He his career is really interesting.

汤姆·克鲁斯不只是个明星，他简直就是超级名人的代名词。

Like, Tom Cruise embodied not just the movie star, but the hyper celebrity.

对。

Yeah.

就是那种全方位的、全方面的存在。

Like, the whole thing, the entire deal.

布拉德·皮特呢，既演大制作，也接小成本片，成了个真正的主角。

Brad Pitt became a leading man that was in some big movies, that was in some smaller movies.

他成了那种超酷的A级演员，想干嘛就干嘛。

He became the cool, like, A plus actor that just kind of did whatever he wanted to do.

他可没跑去跟斯科塞斯拍一连十部电影。

He didn't get with Scorsese and do the next 10 Scorsese movies.

他根本没刻意规划，就是随性过日子，看到什么觉得酷就去拍什么。

He didn't do he just decided that he lived his life in a lazay fair kind of way, and he just did the thing that he thought was the coolest at the time that it was in front of him.

说真的，他好像从来没认真规划过自己的职业生涯。

And that's really it doesn't seem like he planned his career out.

对。

Yeah.

他和汤姆·克鲁斯最大的区别在于，他从来没在一个角色上连着演好几部电影。

The big difference between him and Cruise two is that he never picked a character that he played for, like, more than a couple movies.

没错。

Right.

所以说，这一点上确实如此。

So it so in that Yeah.

他从来没演过像《燃情岁月》那种代表作。

He never did his version of Born or

就只是伊森，你看。

just Ethan, look.

就像莱昂纳多说的那样：行吧，我到一定阶段后，就只跟那些电影质量无可挑剔的导演合作。

So in the way that Leo said, you know what, I'm gonna get to a certain point, and I'm gonna work with these directors who are just unassailable in the quality of the film.

而汤姆的选择是：我就拍那种大制作、类型片、四象限票房保证的电影。

And the way that Tom went, I'm gonna give you big budget, genre, five, four quadrant type of movies.

布拉德呢，拿到剧本就一句话：行，挺酷的，干吧。

It just seemed like Brad got a script and went, Okay, cool.

但他就是布拉德·皮特，这种态度反而让他玩得转。

And he was so Brad Pitt that he could make that work

他一路演下来，从《七宗罪》到《搏击俱乐部》，全都是这么过来的。

over the course of Killing them the whole softly.

啪，就这么定了。

Bang.

咱们就干了。

Let's make it.

就这么办。

Let's do it.

不管怎样，咱们干吧。

Like, whatever it is, let let let let's do it.

我本来打算留到后面说个最炸的见解。

So I was gonna do this for hottest take later.

我现在就说吧。

I'll just do it now.

我觉得他那时候刚好和安吉丽娜碰上，就像运动员撕裂了ACL，直接错过两个赛季。

I think the him just crossing paths with Angelina at the time he did was almost like an athlete, like, tearing ACL and missing two seasons.

我觉得这事彻底改变了他的人生轨迹。

I think that sent his career in a different direction.

布拉妮娜那档子事太火了，直接把俩人都给淹没了。

That Brangelina thing became so big, and so it kind of, like, swallowed up both of them.

他们俩的职业生涯，还有拍的那些电影，都受影响了。

Think both of their careers, like the kind of movies that they made

我都有点记不清了。

I kinda can't remember.

一起拍过片子。

Did stuff together.

比如，从《史密斯夫妇》之后，他整整十五年干了啥，我真说不上来。

Like, he has this whole, basically, fifteen years after mister and missus Smith, where I'm not even really sure what happened.

我觉得部分原因就是，他突然和安吉丽娜·朱莉在一起了。

And I think part of it was all of a sudden, was with Angelina Jolie.

一下子，他们就有了五个孩子。

They they have five kids all of a sudden.

还一起拍了不少电影，但都没啥看头。

They're making movies together that weren't really any good.

我真好奇，后来到底怎么了。

And I do wonder what happened.

后来还特别热衷于政治。

Got really into politics.

对啊。

Yeah.

我确实好奇他后来怎么转去做制片了，还拍了不少不错的东西。

I I do wonder what and he got into producing and did some good stuff.

但我觉得他本可以再拍三四部像《点球成金》那样的好片，结果却没拍。

But I feel like there was, like, three or four more Moneyball type movies for him in there, and he just didn't make them.

汤姆·克鲁斯那会儿简直是没日没夜地拍戏。

It's always like Cruise was working all the time.

是啊。

Yeah.

很难说清楚，到底是电影行业变了，还是演员自己变了，也许布拉德·皮特开始觉得，那些我能主演的片子，类型该变了。

It's hard to tell whether or not it's the the movie industry that changes or the actor that changes, and maybe Brad Pitt was like the kinds of movies I'm I could lead.

比如说，有那么一阵子，他对拍《特洛伊》这种片子就没兴趣了。

Like, at a certain point, he stops being interested in doing movies like Troy.

你懂我的意思吧？

You know what I mean?

可能是因为他年纪大了，也可能就是不想再当那种靠肌肉和颜值撑起来的纯偶像明星了。

Like, whether it's because he got older or because he didn't wanna, like, be a beefcake a list, like, movie star in that way.

他更想当个演技派，演各种不同类型的角色。

He wanted to be more of a character actor and appear in different kinds of stuff.

所以他拍了《本杰明·巴顿奇事》《辉煌的叛徒》和《点球成金》，基本上是从二月中旬拍到十一月。

So he made Benjamin Button and Glorious Bastards and Moneyball, basically middle of February through 11.

但到了2018年2月，他又拍了《温柔的杀戮》《海边的曼彻斯特》《世界大战》，还制片了《为奴十二年》。

But then his 02/2018, killing them softly softly allied, fury by the sea, World War z, and produced twelve Years

十二年奴役。

of Slave.

回头看看，有几部片子其实挺棒的。

Gotta say in retrospect, couple of those movies are quite

不过确实不错。

good, though.

是啊。

Yeah.

没错。

Yeah.

我的意思是，光看他演的那些电影，《僵尸世界大战》制作过程其实挺坎坷的。

I mean, if you if you if you look at it, like, just for the movies that he's in, World War Z ended up being a movie that was kind of a troubled production.

但票房却大获成功。

And it was a huge hit.

不过那确实是一部规模超大的电影。

But it was a that's a big, huge movie.

简直像巨无霸一样，怎么

It's like a gigantic How

你看过几遍了？

times have you watched it?

大概三遍吧。

Probably like three.

两到三遍？

Two or three?

对。

Yeah.

这部电影里的僵尸特别凶猛。

It's it's a it's a it's the zombies are really aggressive in it.

看起来真不轻松。

It's not the easiest watch.

我不太喜欢。

I wasn't a fan.

疫情是从费城开始的。

The outbreak starts in Philly.

对。

Yeah.

哦，你瞧。

Oh, you got

它又回来了。

it back.

但你看，《大空头》里他也有出演。

But look, the Big Short, he's he's in that.

他那时候出现，正好是你说的那段时期末尾，挺有意思的。

He's he's he's an interesting that's towards the end of the time that you're talking about, though.

他演过《无耻混蛋》《本杰明·巴顿奇事》，这些片子都挺有看头的。

But he's in interest interesting films here, Inglorious Bastards, Benjamin Button.

这些片子确实都很有特色。

These are interesting movies.

他的职业生涯真是挺有意思的。

He's having an interesting career.

《搏击俱乐部》之后，布拉德·皮特选这部片子，当时真挺让人意外的。

Right after reading, that's an interesting, like, choice for for Brad Pitt at that time

在他职业生涯里。

in his career.

他有种罗伯特·雷德福那样的气质，随便扔他进哪个片子，大概率都能撑得住。

He has that same Redford quality of, like, you could just kind of throw him in anything and it's probably gonna work.

跟他待一块儿特别有意思。

It's fun to hang out with him.

保罗·纽曼就是这样的人。

Paul Newman was like that.

这种类型的演员，现在真的再也找不到了。

It's that kind of actor we just don't have anymore.

他演的是个五十出头的角色，可他自己都六十出头了。

And this is, you know, he's playing a guy in his early fifties, but he's really in his early sixties.

是啊。

Yeah.

他那个肩膀抬得特别有劲儿。

He's doing got the edge body shoulder lifted.

拉文德的猛冲。

Lavender's Lunge.

我特别感兴趣的是，像他这样的演员，怎么度过那段事业低谷期。

Know, it's it's interesting to me always to see what performers like this do with that little wilderness period.

就是那段你懂的、刚演完之后的时期。

So like the part that's right over you guys know what I'm talking about.

你知道吧，你已经跻身顶级行列了，场均数据也挺亮眼的

You know, you're in the league, you're averaging

你早就拿下二十加九了，身边全是特别能跑能动的高手

You'd already 20 made nine like a bunch of awesome movers.

是啊

Yeah.

等到年纪到了二十六、二十五、二十四岁的时候，你就看他们怎么熬过这段过渡期，慢慢变成老将了，天哪，他们居然还敢冒险

And then like when you get down to 26, 25, 24, it's like what when how they navigate that point until they become elder statesmen, Oh my God, look, they're taking a chance.

他们是怎么挺过这段时期的，真的特别有意思

How they navigate that is always interesting.

克鲁兹后来直接进了 franchises

Cruz just went into franchises.

对

Yes.

但他之前也确实挺艰难的

But he really struggled for a while, too.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得达姆森的做法最有意思，他总是一边做些大胆明智的决定，一边又搞些怪但酷的尝试，压根不在乎哪个能火哪个会扑。

I think Damson's had the most interesting approach to it, where he he seems to make a combination of, like, big choices, smart big things, and then, like, kinda weird cool swings, and just doesn't seem to care what hits and what doesn't.

咱们能先回头说一下这个吗？

Can we come back to this real quick?

你觉得马特·达蒙在故意逗布拉德·皮特玩吗？

You think that Matt Damon is fucking with Brad Pitt in any way, shape, or form?

我觉得这事儿挺有意思，因为如果你看——

I think it's an interesting one, because if you go if you go

我觉得布拉德·皮特过去四十年拍的七部电影，影响力最持久的大概是这七部。

the seven I think the seven movies that Brad Pitt made over the last four decades that probably have the the longest tail.

对。

Mhmm.

《七宗罪》《搏击俱乐部》《十一罗汉》《无间行者》《点球成金》《好莱坞往事》，我觉得就是这七部。

Seven, Fight Club, Ocean's 11, Bastards, Moneyball, Once Upon a Time in F1, I think would be the seven.

我明白。

I'll hear that.

所以对我来说，问题是，马特·达蒙能用他最好的七部片子超越这个吗？

So the question for me is, could Matt Damon top that with his best seven?

我觉得如果你算上明年上映的《奥德赛》的话。

I think if you're counting Odyssey next year.

但我们不能算，因为还没看过。

Which we can't because we haven't seen it.

然后就像那样——

And then like that's

就当是为了《火星救援》吧。

just like for for the sake of Martian.

《出生》。

Born.

嗯，对。

Uh-huh.

他那七部作品跟皮特的七部比，简直是一场精彩对决。

Like he's his seven versus pit seven is pretty good battle.

没错。

Yeah.

而且他们赚的钱、票房成绩应该也差不多。

And they probably made the same amount of money the same amount moves.

他们可能会说，我得追上肯尼斯·洛朗根了。

Where it's like, they'll just be like, I'm I'm getting behind Kenneth Lonigan.

或者对布拉德·皮特来说，他得追上安德鲁·多米尼克之类的。

Or for Brad Pitt, he gets behind Andrew Dominic or whatever.

他们差距其实没那么大。

Like, they gets close.

他们挑导演，你笑啥呢？

They pick their directors and they what are you laughing at?

这太荒唐了。

It's absurd.

你居然觉得不可能。

You think No way.

马特·达蒙根本没法和布拉德·皮特比。

Matt Damon is just not on Brad

皮特那个档次？

Pitt's level?

当然不是。

No.

我觉得马特·达蒙其实挺厉害的。

I think Matt Damon is

你觉得我这是在当波士顿死忠粉？

You think I'm I'm being a Boston homer?

那当然了。

Of course.

但我真觉得马特

But I think I I think Matt

达蒙演得真带劲儿

Damon Shines fire to

马特·达蒙。

Matt Damon.

我觉得马特·达蒙特别棒。

I think Matt Matt Damon is fantastic.

奥斯卡得主。

Oscar winner.

这可是拿过奥斯卡的。

It's an Oscar winner.

马特·达蒙真的太牛了。

Matt Damon is fantastic.

如果你非得拿这些电影当标准，我敢打赌，要是挑那些演了这么多年的老牌男演员，随便挑七部片子，本·阿弗莱克也完全能这么比。

If you would have to use those movies as a metric, you could probably pull out I bet there's probably more people that if we talk about guys that have been around this long, you could probably if you just pull seven movies, I bet you could also do that for Ben Affleck.

我觉得本·阿弗莱克也完全能做到。

I bet you could in

从这个角度来说

terms of

布拉德·皮特。

Brad Pitt.

你只要挑七部电影来看。

If you just pull seven movies.

但要是论他们在文化中的影响力、公众对他们的评价，还有观众整体的反应。

But if you talk about the space that they take up in culture, how they're regarded, just overall how audiences respond to them.

我觉得布拉德·皮特的层次

I think that Brad Pitt is in a

跟马特·达蒙不在一个级别。

different level than Matt Damon is.

差点忘了雷普利先生。

Forgot about Mr.

雷普利先生。

Ripley.

是吗？

Oh, yeah?

对啊。

Yeah.

你觉得谁演技更好？

Who do you think is a better actor?

我觉得马特·达蒙的戏路更广一些。

I think Matt Damon has a little bit more range.

我也是。

Me too.

我觉得吧。

I think.

但要说当电影明星的话。

But But I think like a movie star.

这真不好说。

It's tough.

我觉得吧，其实我也觉得

It's like, I also think like

在《十一罗汉》里，皮特的角色比马特·达蒙的更抢眼，这点挺有意思的。

It's interesting in Ocean's 11, Pitt has kind of the more outsized role that Matt Damon does.

他们俩的情况其实挺像的，时不时就演个配角。

They have very similar things going on, where like every once in a while, like, they'll be like the supporting character in something.

这话题真不好说啊。

Like, it's it's it's a really tough conversation.

哎，我可不想跟你们争。

Hey, don't wanna be argumentative.

我不是不同意，就是觉得吧。

I just do not disagree.

我就喜欢咱们吵架的时候。

I just I just I like when we argue.

我也喜欢咱们意见一致的时候。

I like when we agree.

我只是觉得

Just I think

如果你看完整的职业轨迹，我真等不及想听你说。

that if you look the at the full I can't wait for you.

算了，别提了。

It well, never mind.

他演过的所有角色范围。

The full range of the roles.

对啊。

Yeah.

从《十二猴子》到《F1》里的帅气主角，全都有。

Like, 12 Monkeys all the way to cool leading man in F1.

我不确定我们该怎么下定论。

I don't know how we could say definitively.

是啊，但咱们对达姆森也能这么讲。

Yeah, but we could do that with with Damson.

我们可以像《勇气与荣誉》那样，但背景换成伯恩系列。

We could do like Courage Under Fire through Bourne.

《勇气与荣誉》。

Courage Under Fire.

那校服领带呢？

How about school ties?

对。

Yeah.

校服领带怎么样？

How about school ties?

是啊。

Yeah.

我们正聊到这个，嗯。

As we're talking about okay.

反犹太主义的1940年代足球运动员。

Anti semi nineteen forties football player.

写得更好？

Writes better?

那种硬汉……

The tough,

演一个波士顿来的角色，真够难的，太考验人了。

tough, tough, tough role to getting character for for for a guy from Boston.

他那时候不是没人……

Didn't he had no one to

他刚被开除了。

He's just fired.

根本没人帮他琢磨……

Like, had no one to think

我们现在遇到马特·达蒙了。

we run into Matt Damon now.

他真是个超棒的演员。

He's a fantastic performer.

我只是说，我觉得布拉德肯定是更大的明星，至少在我看来，不过我也觉得……

I'm just saying, I think Brad's probably, he's certainly a bigger movie star in my opinion, but I also think that

但我觉得是安吉丽娜那事儿让他成了更大的明星。

Well, I think the Angelina thing made him a bigger movie star, though.

就是那件事之后才发生的。

It wasn't until that happened.

这才让他一跃成了顶级巨星。

That that that vaulted him into A plus them.

而马特呢，相反，他结婚了。

Whereas Matt, on the other hand, got married.

你根本听不到关于他的任何消息。

You'd never hear anything about him.

他都结婚二十多年了。

He's been married for, like, twenty years.

他就是故意保持低调。

He's, like, intentionally low profile.

好吧。

Okay.

所以布拉德就这样，突然就火了。

So Brad was like, here I am.

他当时就是

I am

在和我们最火的女演员约会。

dating the hottest actress we have.

就是跟詹妮弗·安妮斯顿交往之后的事。

Off the back of dating Jennifer Aniston.

对啊。

Yeah.

我那时候还觉得呢，

I went from Right.

从盖妮丝·帕特洛到其他人，就只有

And Gwyneth Paltrow and whoever The only

这个问题在于，我们聊布拉德·皮特的电影时，居然漏掉了《史密斯夫妇》。

problem with this is also when we were talking about Brad Pitt's movies, we left out Mr.

还有史密斯夫人。

And Mrs.

《史密斯夫妇》。

Smith.

但问题在于，他们俩是在拍那部电影时认识的，而且布拉德还是那部大片的男主角，那部超大制作的动作片，怎么就给忘了呢？

But the only problem with this is that they met on a film where they were together in that film, and it was Brad Pitt as the star of this big gigantic action How

范·拉坦这回怎么圆场？

would Van Lathan get out of this one?

你跟安吉丽娜约会，还跟她一起拍电影，那都2004年了。

You dating Angelina and you doing a movie with Angelina Jolie in 2004.

说真的，你那会儿在哪儿呢？

That's actually Where were you?

我还在你化妆车里给你打电话来着。

I called you in your trailer.

哦，那会我出门了

Oh, I went

去买浓缩咖啡了

to get an espresso.

没听见电话响

I didn't hear the phone.

真可怜啊

Poor thing.

那件事之后，我一直都替詹妮弗·安妮斯顿难受。

I I still feel bad for Jennifer Anderson after that.

这事儿太让人难以接受了。

It's a tough one.

这事儿太让人难以接受了。

It's a tough one.

说到桑妮这个名字，桑妮·海耶斯是谁来着？

Speaking of Sunny Sunny what was Sunny Hayes?

桑尼·海斯。

Sunny Hayes.

这名字真棒。

Great name.

我本来想搬去达姆森的。

I made an I wanted to move to to Damson.

要是咱们要列个名单，回顾七十年代，最能代表那个年代的运动员。

The athletes that captured the decade the best, if we're gonna make a list, going back to the seventies.

你说的是电影里的运动员？

Athlete in athletes in movies?

电影里的运动员。

Movie athlete.

对。

Okay.

尼克·诺尔蒂演的《北达拉斯四十》。

Nick Nolte in North Dallas, '40.

七十年代。

Seventies.

满脸沧桑的橄榄球运动员。

Grizzled football.

想告诉我们橄榄球后来怎么发展的。

Trying to tell us where football's going.

八十年代，伊凡·德雷戈，《洛奇4》。

Nineteen eighties, Ivan Drago, Rocky four.

冷战时期。

Cold war.

为了赢什么招都使得出来。

Will do anything for an edge.

给我来点类固醇吧。

Put more steroids at me.

对，没错。

Uh-huh.

九十年代，要么是罗德·蒂德尔，要么是威利·比曼。

Nineteen nineties, it's either Rod Tidwell or Willie Beaman.

我也不太确定是哪一个。

I'm not sure who.

可能是威利·比曼吧，不过你要是非说罗德·蒂德尔，我也能被你说服。

Maybe Willie Beaman, but you could also talk me into Rod Tidwell.

行吧。

Okay.

电影里最真实的一个运动员形象，其实挺能说明九十年代的整体氛围的。

Realistic the most realistic version of an athlete I've seen in a movie says something about the nineties in general.

回头一看，这确实是个特别九十年代的角色。

When you look back, it's like, that's a very nineties character.

不过蒂威尔这个角色也很有层次感。

But also with Tim Well, a very three-dimensional character.

对。

Yeah.

像个顾家的男人之类的。

Like a family man and all of that stuff.

我最喜欢的体育片角色。

My favorite sports movie character.

对。

Yeah.

两千年代，提姆·里金斯，《任何给Sunday》。

Two thousands, Tim Riggins, Any Given Sunday.

对。

Yeah.

《星期五夜晚的灯光》？

Friday night lights?

对。

Yeah.

不好意思。

I'm sorry.

《星期五夜晚的灯光》

Friday night lights.

我记下了《任何给我的星期天》。

Wrote down Any Given Sunday.

我老是把蒂姆·里金斯和《星期五夜晚的灯光》搞混。

I've been Friday Tim

里金斯，就是《星期五夜晚的灯光》里那个。

Riggins, Friday night lights.

是那个电视剧里的？

From the TV show?

对。

Yeah.

还有那部电影呢。

Well and the movie.

对。

Yeah.

电影里也是。

In the movie.

明白了。

Okay.

电影里那个提姆·里金斯是谁演的？

Which one was Tim Riggins in the movie?

加勒特·赫德兰。

Garrett Hedland.

加勒特·赫德兰。

Garrett Hedland.

哦，是吗。

Oh.

对。

Yeah.

他爸，没错。

His dad Yep.

对他来说，做个真男人。

Being a man to him.

麦格劳把那东西拿出来，但接着他来了——

McGraw, putting the thing But then he comes

走上去，把戒指戴在他手指上。

up and puts the ring on his finger.

天哪。

God.

老兄，那部电影真的——

Bro, that that movie

我知道你们对这部剧着迷。

I know you guys are obsessed with the television show.

才不是呢。

No.

电影才叫一个棒。

The movie's great.

为什么？

Why?

这部电影

Movie is

这简直是史上最棒的中场演讲了

It's the best halftime speech ever

就是说，那个

Like, that that's a

完美？什么？

perfect What?

波奇诺的赛前动员。

What Pochino is pregame.

是的。

Yeah.

我的意思是，比利·鲍勃说‘永恒即将来临’那段，我敢说谁也比不上。

I mean, also, I would put Billy Bob saying forever's about to happen, like, up against anything.

天啊，他看着那些孩子，连声音都不用提高，就说出了那番话，我整个人都起鸡皮疙瘩，心里满满的感动。

Man, he looks at those boys, and without even raising his voice goes, you know, my heart I got goosebumps, like, heart is full.

他把能做的都做了。

Done everything that

这不就是帕西诺和比利·鲍勃在决赛对决吗？

I can It's Pacino and Billy Bob in the finals.

是啊。

Yeah.

你上一次看《任何代价》是什么时候？

When's is the Miracle

你最近一次看《任何代价》是什么时候？

the last time you watched Any Given Sunday.

哦，我看过。

Oh, I watched it

经常看。

regularly.

现在它差不多在冥王星那边转悠呢。

It's kind of in the Pluto rotation right now.

就是随便说说。

Just saying.

你是在冥王星上刷剧吗？

You are you popping on Pluto?

你

Do you

还关注其他免费流媒体平台吗？

have eyes for other free streaming services?

我就用 Pluto 看。

I spend on Pluto.

它免费的。

It's a rupee.

中场休息和赛前节目都特别棒。

And the halftime the pregame's great.

接着切到福克斯，他开始朝帕西诺那边走过去。

And then cutting to Fox, and he starts moving toward Pacino.

太棒了。

Great stuff.

我这儿有好多拍摄资源，因为电影和剧集都得拍。

I have rig ends for here because movie and TV show.

那时候我们才意识到，IP居然能到处都是。

That was when we started to realize, oh, IP could be all over the place.

二月，《阿多尼斯·克里德》上映。

February Adonis Creed.

两千块，乔什·皮尔斯参加F1。

2,000 Josh Pierce in F1.

我特别喜欢他们搞社交媒体的那套方式。

I love how they do the social.

我觉得他整个背景故事特别有意思——他妈妈、他的经纪人，还有他明明啥都没干成，却拼命想当明星，怎么打造自己的公众形象。

I think his whole backstory with his his mom and his handler and how he's trying to basically be a star when he hasn't done anything yet, how he approaches his public persona.

我觉得这十年来，尤其是在当下社交媒体盛行的环境下，这是我看过的最棒的表演。

It's the best I've seen in a movie this decade, I think, for where we are in the twenty twenties with social media.

那我们只能等Puka Nakua的故事了。

We'll just have to wait for the Puka Nakua story.

现在粉丝们都在拼命推动这件事。

Fans try to close the deal on it right now.

这个Josh Pierce的角色，按理说在纸上可能根本立不住，结果却特别成功。

But this Josh Pierce character on paper might have not worked, and it worked really well.

那为什么能成功呢？

So why did it work?

就是有魅力啊。

Charming.

他之前在《Snowfall》里演过挺重的角色，但说实话，我也说不准。

Obviously, he's from like broke big with Snowfall, but I don't know.

在这部电影里，他的戏份比布拉德·皮特少多了。

He has a limited amount of screen time in this movie compared to Pitt.