Claude Code 为我构建了一个每日收入 273 美元的在线目录

如果你正在使用 Crawl for AI，可以添加一些额外的模块，包括这个。

If you are using Crawl for AI, there's extra modules that you can add, including this one.

这是我用过的几个模块之一，异步网页爬虫允许你同时爬取多个网站。

And this is one of a few that I used, but async web crawler allows you to just crawl multiple websites concurrently.

这能节省大量时间。

That saves a ton of time.

但说实话，这时候我突然意识到，哦，天哪。

But yeah, this was kind of the point where I was like, oh, snap.

这太疯狂了，我简直不敢相信它是免费的，因为我只花了大概十五到二十分钟就设置好了。

This is insane, and I can't believe it's free because I set this up in probably fifteen, twenty minutes.

我只是跟ChatGPT口头描述了这个提示，然后它就在后台运行了三个小时。

I wrote this prompt by just talking to ChadGBT, and then it just ran in the background for three hours.

几年前，这可能需要我花上一千个小时才能完成。

And this is really what would have taken me, like, a thousand hours just a couple years back.

所以结果是从两万个网站筛选出了725个豪华洗手间拖车。

So the result was 20,000 websites down to 725 luxury restroom trailers.

我们可以在这里看到CSV文件。

We can see the CSV here.

而且，它甚至还提供了验证置信度。

And, yeah, it it even gives us like verification confidence.

这真的很不错。

It's just nice.

有了它，感觉真的很棒。

It is it's nice with it.

我看到这个的时候就觉得，这太酷了。

Like, I I saw this and I was like, this is so cool.

但这还不够，不足以构建一个目录。

But that's not it, and that's not really enough to build a directory.

所以我们进入第四步，这时我们开始处理拖车库存。

So we move on to step four, and this is when we get into trailer inventory.

对我来说，这就是拖车库存。

For me, that's trailer inventory.

但对你来说，这只是第一轮数据增强。

But for you, it's just like for you, it's the first round of data enrichment.

我需要从这725个洗手间拖车中找出它们都提供些什么。

Like, I need to figure out out of all of these 725 restroom trailers, what do they offer?

如果你上网看看，大多数人都是在找双厕位和三厕位的拖车，因为这些足够应付50到100人的婚礼了。

Like, what's what like, if you look online, most people are looking for two stall and three stall trailers because those are good enough to cater to, like, a 50 to a 100 person wedding.

但有些人需要更多。

But some people are looking for more.

所以我写了这个提示。

And so I wrote this prompt.

Again, it's very casual.

Again, it's very casual.

你可以看出我刚和ChatuchuBT聊过。

You can tell that I just had a conversation with ChatuchuBT.

我用Crawl for AI的方式也是一样的，但这次我没有再搜索像‘洗手间拖车’这样的关键词，而是让它查找一家企业提供的完整产品系列。

And I just used Crawl for AI in the same way, but this time, instead of looking for keywords like restroom trailer, I told it to look for the full, like, fleet of products that a business offers.

是的。

And yeah.

所以我认为我也有一个提示词。

So I believe I have a prompt as well.

我们可以直接在这里展示给人们看。

We can actually just take this right over here just to show people.

我不会对每一个都这样做，但只是为了让大家了解一下工作流程。

I won't do this for every single one, but just to show people kind of the workflow.

我可以这么说，让我们选这三个豪华洗手间拖车的候选者，使用这个提示词。

I can say, let's take those three candidates for luxury restroom trailers and use this prompt.

我就这么做吧。

I'll just do that.

这个提示词只是告诉它去查找一家企业提供的所有不同类型的豪华洗手间拖车。

And this prompt again is just telling it to go and find all the different types of luxury restroom trailers that a business offers.

而且我喜欢加上去，只是为了获取Claude Codes的意见。

And I do like to add to just like get Claude Codes opinion.

告诉我你的计划。

Give me your game plan.

告诉我我有没有遗漏什么。

Tell me if I'm missing anything.

在我们正式开始之前，告诉我一声。

And just let me know before we we go for it.

在我们消耗令牌之前。

Before we burn tokens.

在我们消耗令牌并不得不升级我们的缺陷之前。

Before we burn tokens, and we have to upgrade our flawed.

是的。

Yeah.

所以这基本上就是。

So this is basically yeah.

太棒了。

So cool.

是的。

Yeah.

所以，是的。

So, yeah.

它基本上返回了一个容器。

It basically came back with a one containers.

有一个双隔间拖车和一个四隔间拖车。

There's a two stall trailer and a four stall trailer.

再次说明，这会花费更多时间，但你可以设置任何你想要的逻辑。

Again, this is gonna take more time, but you can set up whatever logic you want.

实际上，这个过程有很多细微之处。

And actually, there's a lot of nuance with this process.

所以，为了大致梳理一下，每次遍历后你都需要检查大量边缘情况。

So just to kind of go over that, like, there's a ton of edge cases that you want to check after every single pass.

当我刚开始用 Crawl for AI 丰富我的数据时，我犯的第一个错误是，给了它一份冗长的清单，直接丢了一个巨大的 CSV 文件。

And one of the first mistakes that I did when I started enriching my data with Crawl for AI was I would just give it this massive laundry list of things to get, and just gave it like a massive CSV.

我当时就想，把拖车库存、图片、所有设施、功能、价格都拿过来，结果根本行不通。

And I was like, get the trailer inventory, get the images, get any amenities, features, pricing, all of that stuff, and it just didn't work.

质量实在太差了。

Like, it was super low quality.

所以我现在才慢慢来，一次只处理一个。

So that's why I'm kind of going slowly one at a time.

这样做也有帮助，因为完成这一轮后，我可以检查结果。

And this is also helpful because after this pass, I could examine the results.

你总会遇到一些边缘情况，就是那些孤立的特殊情况，需要告诉云代码它搞错了，它真的搞砸了，好让它去修正。

You always find edge cases, just these one off situations where you should let Cloud Code know that it messed up, it done messed up, so that it can fix it.

你可能得重新运行一遍。

And you might have to rerun this.

我重新运行了这个过程，大概两三次，直到我的数据基本都达标了，每个列表的拖车信息都齐全了。

I reran this, I think, two or three times until pretty much all of my data was good, and I had all of the stall information for every single listing.

所以，是的，这个过程就是一步步继续下去的。

So, yeah, this this process just continues one by one.

对我来说，下一个任务是拖车图片，这个环节挺有意思的，因为我不仅用了Crawl AI来从企业网站上抓取图片——顺便说一句，我知道这属于灰色地带——但我计划去联系这些企业，请求他们的授权，让他们认领这些列表，这本质上就是给了我们使用这些图片的绿灯。

For me, the next one was trailer images, and this one was cool because not only did I use Crawl for AI to scrape the images from the business websites, which, by the way, I know is a gray area, but I plan to go and reach out to these businesses and ask for permission and just have them claim the listing, which basically gives them gives us the, you know, green light to use this.

但你可以抓取图片，我做的就是让Claude Code查找所有的替代文本和文件名，分析页面内容，并抓取最高质量的图片。

But you can scrape the images, and what I did was I just told Claude Code to look for any alt text file names, examine the page that it's on, and scrape the highest quality images.

然后，我让它选出前三张最有可能的拖车图片，再把这些图片发送给Claude Vision。

And then what I did is I told it to create I told it to take the top three candidates for trailer images, and then I just sent it over to Claude Vision.

这样，它就能查看这些图片并识别出最合适的那些。

And this way, it was able to look at these images and identify the best ones.

因为第一次做这个的时候，我得到了一堆logo、低质图片和网站图标。

Because the first time I did this, I got, like, logos and crappy images and favicons.

我当时就想，我真的要清理这些图片数据吗？

And it was like, am I really about to clean this image data?

这听起来太糟糕了。

Like, this sounds so bad.

而这就是我想出来的解决方案。

And this is the workaround that I came up with.

这花了大约30美元。

This cost about $30.

我只需要去Claude并连接我的API密钥。

All I had to do was go to Claude and connect my API key.

非常简单。

Super simple.

这就是我使用的提示。

And this is the prompt that I used.

我让这个程序运行了一整晚。

I let this run overnight.

但说实话，这700个列表大概花了一个小时左右。

But, yeah, This took probably about an hour or so for 700 listings.

所以如果我们看一下，这就是我们一块砖一块砖搭建起来的地方。

So if we take a look, this is kind of where we're getting brick by brick.

我们刚开始收集所有这些有用的信息，这些栏位，还有这里所有的绿色列，都是有价值的部分。

We're just starting to get all of this good information, stalls, and all the green columns here are kind of the ones that are valuable.

让我看看，哦，是的。

Let me see if oh, yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

所以所有这些，是的。

So all of the yeah.

所有绿色高亮的列都是图片，我觉得它做得非常好。

All of the green highlighted columns are of the images, And I think it did a really great job.

所以，如果我们点击其中任何一个，它们都相当不错。

So, if we just click on any one of these, they're pretty solid.

但第一次并不是这样的。

And this was not the case the first time.

所以我们开始看到这一切是如何整合在一起的。

So we're starting to see how this comes together.

就图片抓取这一部分而言。

Just just on the, scraping image piece.

你知道，我不是律师。

You know, I I'm not a lawyer.

别在互联网上装律师。

Don't play to be one on the Internet.

据我所知，弗雷不是律师。

Frey, not to my knowledge, is a lawyer.

对吗？

Is that correct?

我不是。

I'm not.

他不是。

He is not.

所以我认为，你知道，但我觉得如果你抓取别人的图片，你唯一的方式是——等等，让我退一步说。

So I think, you know but I but I think that you if you scrape people's images, you are the only way you're well, let me take a step back.

你在网站上发布的图片，应该拥有相应的版权。

You you're supposed to have the rights for images that you post on your websites.

对吧？

Right?

所以，有时这些权利是可以获得的。

So sometimes those rights are available.

比如，如果你查看一些网站的服务条款，这些权利是存在的。

Like, if you look at the terms of services of some websites, those are available.

而有时这些是像小型本地企业这样的情况。

And sometimes these are these are like small local businesses.

他们很可能根本没有服务条款。

The chances are they might not even have a terms of service.

所以，总之，你要知道，未经许可抓取图片是有一定风险的。

So so, yeah, just so you know, there is some risk associated with scraping images without the rights.

完全正确。

Totally.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

而且我认为，即使没有图片，目录也能排名并获得流量。

And I think you don't even need images for a directory to rank and get traffic.

我只是想展示一下这个使用场景。

I just kind of wanted to show this use case.

我相信在某些领域，比如使用公共图片等，存在一些风险较低的图片抓取方式。

And I'm sure there's ways and there's different niches where you can scrape images where it's less risky, you know, public images and such.

或者你可以直接使用图库图片。

Or you can just use like stock images.

我的意思是，看看我那个简陋的小目录（并非讽刺），它在没有大量图片的情况下依然带来了潜在客户。

I mean, we saw from my crappy little directory, no pun intended, like this got leads without needing a ton of images on the listings.

所以，我绝对不提倡这样做，确实存在一些风险。

So 100% not advocating for this and definitely some risks.

所以提前了解这一点很重要，我觉得这是一个很好的提醒。

So just know that going in, and I think that was a good shout out.

在我们进入下一步之前，我想对你的所谓的‘糟糕’的另一个网站做个简短点评。

Before we get to the next step, I just wanna make a quick note about your quote unquote crappy other website.

是的。

Yeah.

我得说，这个网站上的标志真的很棒。

I will say the logo on this website does slap.

你有一个吉祥物，他看起来非常亲切且有趣。

You've got this mascot, and he he he he feels very approachable and and interesting.

所以我觉得——不确定观众是不是也有同样的感觉。

So I am feeling I don't know if the audience feels the same way.

我觉得新的、那种精致的苹果风格网站少了一些个性。

I am feeling a bit of a loss of a little character in the new, you know, fancy Apple style website.

完全同意。

A 100%.

我为这个小家伙花了很多心思。

I worked I worked hard on this little guy.

而且，是的，我就是用ChatGPT生成的，我相信你也可以用Nano Banana来完成这个。

And, yeah, I just generated it with ChatGPT, and I'm sure you can use Nano Banana for this.

但我其实打算把这个角色带过来，为这个目录增添一些人性化的细节，因为它显然还没完成。

But, I'm I'm actually planning on bringing this guy over and adding some human touch to this directory because it's definitely unfinished.

它大概完成了60%左右。

It's probably, like, 60% finished.

但我真的很感谢你这么说。

But I I appreciate that.

这算是对我创意一面的肯定，虽然在目录设计这个领域里，这种特质可能不太常见。

That's the that's the complement to my creative side, which which does exist in the world of directories, but it's just maybe less common.

但没错。

But yeah.

不过，我们还是回头再看看这个吧。

Like, just kinda going back to this though.

整个过程就像是在不断叠加一样。

It it like, the process just kinda continue stacking.

比如，它在设施和功能上就是这样做的。

Like, it did this with the amenities and features.

再说一遍，第一次进行时流程并不顺畅，总会漏掉一些设施和功能。

Again, like the process wasn't smooth the first time, it would miss some amenities and features here and there.

但这是我写的非常随意的提示词。

But this is the very casual prompt that I wrote.

基本上就是提到，我第一次运行时效果并不好。

Basically, just, you know, mentioned that the first time I ran this, it didn't do a good job.

里面出现了一堆奇怪的词，比如‘it’、‘and’、‘the’，这些根本不是功能。

There was a bunch of weird words like it and and and the, and like that's not a feature.

这绝对不是什么功能。

That's definitely not a feature.

但当我开始理解这些边界情况，并明确要求你去找出所有最佳页面后，这次的结果非常好。

But this pass worked really well once I started to kind of understand the edge cases and say, want you to go and identify all of the best pages.

去首页，查找任何带有洗手间拖车的页面，然后深入挖掘。

Go on the homepage, look for any page with restroom trailers, and go deep.

我能够创建这些很棒的设施。

And I was able to create these cool amenities.

这就是它生成的大量不同功能，最终将成为我目录中的筛选条件。

And this is what it came up with tons of different features that would ultimately become the filter on my directory.

所以如果我们查看这里正在查看的页面，比如，我给用户提供了按隔间选择的选项。

So if we check out that page that we're checking out here, like, I give people the option to choose by stall.

这是隔间数据。

So this is the stall data.

但如果我们再回退并点击‘自来水’，例如，它就会显示所有带有该特定设施的豪华洗手间拖车。

But if we also go back and click on running water, for example, it'll just show all of the luxury restroom trailers with that specific amenity.

用户如果需要，可以点击多个选项，然后从那里进行排序。

And people can click multiple if they want, and then sort from there.

所以这就是我选择这个的原因。

So that was kind of the reason I chose this one.

看看这里有没有相关的提及。

See if there's any sort of mentions here.

是的。

Yeah.

比如，这个相当直接，也没花太多时间。

Like, this one was pretty straightforward, and this didn't really take too much time.

但相比手动操作，还是节省了大量时间。

But again, massive time saved compared to manually doing this.

最后一个也很简单。

And then the last one was also pretty simple.

就是服务区。

It was just the service areas.

很多人想知道，是否能开车一百英里到一个偏远地点，比如户外婚礼现场。

A lot of people wanna know if a place can drive out like a 100 miles to a remote location where they're having a outdoor wedding.

所以，这就是我写的提示词，只是让它去查找服务区。

So yeah, this is the prompt that I wrote and just asked it to go and find the service areas.

这个的唯一挑战是，有些商家位于不同的州。

The only challenge with this is that some businesses were like in different states.

所以如果一家企业位于佛罗里达州，有时第一次搜索会显示佛罗里达、德克萨斯、亚利桑那等地。

So if a business was based in Florida, sometimes the first run would show me, like, Florida, Texas, Arizona.

所以我不得不做了一些调整。

And so I had to make some adjustments.

但这些就是它创建的新列。

But this is these are the new columns that it created.

我按城市、区域和半径进行了细分。

I broke it down by city, region, and radius.

所以对于任何正在寻找豪华洗手间拖车的人，这也很有参考价值。

So also just good to know for anyone who's shopping around for a luxury restroom trailer.

这基本上就是完整的七步流程。

And so that's pretty much the full seven step process.

我认为这可能是八步或四步，具体取决于你构建目录的细分领域，或者你想在数据增强上走多深。

And I think it might be eight steps or four steps, depending on the type of niche that you're building a directory in, or how deep you want to go with the data enrichment.

但我认为，只要你能善用 Crawl for AI 和 Cloud Code，它就会非常有用。

But I think if you can just use Crawl for AI and Cloud Code, it'll serve you well.

更重要的是，它让我对可以构建的目录类型有了新的认识。

And more importantly, it kind of just opened my mind up to the types of directories that I can build.

很长一段时间里，我有一些想法，想在竞争激烈的领域创建非常细分的目录，我们看到像 mom.com 这样的网站做得非常成功。

Like for a long time, I had some ideas where I could go and create, like, very, very niche directories in competitive spaces, and we saw a place for mom.com killing it.

但是

But

除非你是个专业的SEO专家，拥有无限的外链预算，并且愿意花大量时间等待，否则你很难在‘养老院’这个关键词上排名。

unless you're, like, an expert SEO, have unlimited budget for backlinks, and have a lot of time to wait, you're not gonna rank for senior living homes.

但你可能能在‘针对失智症老人的养老院’这个关键词上排名，如果我们查看Ahrefs的数据，这个关键词每月搜索量实际上超过1000次。

But you might rank for senior living homes for people with dementia, which if we look on Ahrefs, actually gets like over 1,000 monthly searches.

所以在高价值的细分领域里，你要抓住行业中的一个小细分市场，把它做到极致。

So it's in high ticket niche, you're kind of taking your little pocket of the industry and doing that really well.

我认为这个思路非常有效，因为对寻找这类服务的人来说，如果服务不包含失智症照护，那就是一个无法接受的条件。

And I think this kind of idea works well, because for the people looking for this, like, if they don't assist with dementia, that's a deal breaker.

那么，人们做决策时最不能接受的关键功能有哪些呢？

So what are like the deal breaker features that people make decisions off of?

我们该如何围绕这一点创建非常具体的目录呢？

And how can we create, like, very specific directories around that.

卫浴承包商也是同样的情况，竞争非常激烈。

Bathroom contractor, same thing, super competitive.

我们有Angie's List、Home Guide以及其他所有这些目录。

We got Angie's List and Home Guide and all of these other directories.

但如果是专门为残障人士设计的卫浴承包商呢？

But what about, like, an ADA accessible bathroom contractor?

更加具体了。

Like, way more specific.

现在我们有能力通过分析网站内容来清洗和丰富数据，这一切如今都成为可能。

And now that we have the ability to go and clean and enrich data by looking at the website content, like, this is all possible now.

我也是一个公共数据库的狂热爱好者。

I'm also a massive nerd of like public databases.

比如data.gov上有海量的公共数据，但用起来却极其糟糕。

Like data.gov has an unreal amount of just public data that's super, like, horrible to use.

界面和体验都很粗糙。

The UI and experience is rough.

我们社区里有个叫安迪的人，他做了一个自来水水质目录，没有反向链接，从大约去年十一月开始做，现在每月有超过四万访客，还被Mediavine收录了，通过亚马逊联盟销售净水器。

This guy named Andy in our community, but a tap water quality directory, no backlinks, started it back in, I wanna say November, and he's getting over 40,000 monthly visitors, got accepted into Mediavine, selling, like, water filters through Amazon affiliate.

而且，是的，这事儿特别无聊，但像空气质量目录这类东西，其实有很多枯燥但重要的目录点子，我觉得这能打开新局面。

And, yeah, it's super boring, but, like, air quality directories, like, there there's a bunch of, like, mundane but important directory ideas that I think this unlocks.

还有，是的，活动目录。

And yeah, event directories.

我觉得活动目录太差了。

I think event directories suck.

它们依然很烂。

They still suck.

我不知道这算不算信息过量，但四个月前我去参加了一个单身派对。

I don't know if this is like, like too much information, but I went to like a singles event like four months ago.

我去那儿后，就开始跟人聊天。

And I went there and I started talking to the people.

我跟一些人聊了聊，问他们是怎么知道这个活动的。

I talked to some guys and I was like, how did you learn about this event?

他们说：‘我们通过Eventbrite浏览，然后找到了这个活动。’

And they're like, oh, we went through Eventbrite and just scrolled and found this event.

我觉得你们这样操作真是太疯狂了。

I'm like, that's crazy that you do that.

我真的无法想象自己会这么做，因为我觉得这些活动目录太糟糕了。

Like, I just I I that couldn't be me, because I feel like these event directories are horrible.

但现在你可以设置爬虫，从多个来源抓取数据，然后整理出一个更好的版本。

But now you can essentially set up scrapers that scrape from multiple sources, and you just curate a better version.

借助Cloud Code，你可以做出任何你想做的东西。

And with Cloud Code, you can make anything that you want.

所以我认为活动目录也有机会。

So I think there's an opportunity in event directories as well.

但只是为了向大家展示整个流程。

But, yeah, just to show people the full process.

我的意思是，一旦你拿到了数据，你就拥有了目录的核心。

I mean, once you get the data, you have the heart of your directory.

这时候，我创建了一个清理过的版本。

At this point, you know, I created a cleaned up version.

你会得到大量的数据。

There's tons of data that you're gonna get.

所以我删掉了所有数据列，然后直接交给Claude Code，说：嘿。

So I stripped away all the columns of data, and then I just gave it to Claude Code and said, hey.

用这些数据创建一个超级基础数据库，使用完全相同的列，然后有趣的部分就开始了——一旦有了数据库，你就可以尽情发挥，创建任何你想做的东西，并按你喜欢的方式设计。

Use this to create the super base database, use the exact columns, and then the fun part started, where once you have the database, you can just go buck wild and create whatever you want and design it however you like.

这就是整个流程。

So that is the full process.

这是我目前最前沿的抓取、清理和丰富数据的方式。

That's the most up to date way that I've been kind of scraping, cleaning, and enriching my data.

而且，这确实是最重要的部分。

And, yeah, it's it's the it's the most important part.

这同时也是最无聊的部分。

It's just kind of the most boring part as well.

所以如果你看到这里了，你很可能已经认同了这个想法：好吧。

So if you've made it to the end, you're probably you're probably bought into this idea around, okay.

一个目录可以成为构建不需要我投入太多时间的项目的绝佳切入点。

A directory could be a really good entry point into building something that doesn't require a lot of my time.

如果这是一个非常有潜力的细分领域，我就可以打造一个微型SaaS，进一步提升盈利能力和企业价值。

It could be high value if it's a it's a really good niche, and then I could build a micro SaaS to go and, you know, really amp up monetization and enterprise value.

但我怀疑有些人并不认同这一点。

But I I suspect there are some people who are, like, not bought in.

嗯。

Mhmm.

那么，对于那些对现在创建目录持怀疑态度的人，特别是在2026年这个时间点，你有什么想对他们说的？

So for the people that are naysayers about directories and creating a directory right now, specifically in this moment in time in 2026, what do you have to say to them?

是的。

Yeah.

这是个很好的观点。

That's a good point.

如果我的目标是在六个月内赚钱，我不会去搭建一个目录网站。

And I would actually say, if your timeline is to make money in less than six months, I would not build a directory.

我这么说是因为我已经搭建这类网站好几年了，我只是想帮大家节省时间。

And I'm just saying that because I've been building them for a few years, and I just want to save people the time.

话虽如此，我当然有偏见，但我不知道是否还有比这更好的平台，能以一种结构化的方式让你学习 Claude 编码、SEO、销售技巧，以及进入始终存在的潜在客户生成业务，而目录正是其中的一部分。

With that said, I don't know if there's I'm obviously biased, but I don't know if there's a better playground in structured kind of approach to a project where you can learn how Claude code works, and learn SEO, and learn how to sell, and get into the business of lead generation, which will always be around then directories.

我用 Cloud Code 搭建的第一个目录，纯粹是我用来学习的试验场。

And the first directory that I built with Cloud Code was just a playground for me to learn.

因为它非常简单，你可以把它当作一个载体，去学习那些高杠杆的技能，我认为那就是 AI 编程和 SEO。

And because it's so simple, like, you're able to, like, use this as, a vehicle to learn that high leverage skill, which I think is AI coding and SEO.

归根结底，我对目录的看法是，直到今天，它依然是我用来吸引人们关注我的项目的试验场。

So at the end of the day, the way that I think about directories is that it is still to this day a playground for me to learn how to get people's eyes on my projects.

我之前还做过其他生意，也在我的第一个生意上花了很多钱在 Facebook 广告上。

And I've built other businesses, and I've spent like a lot of money on Facebook ads in my first business.

我认为如今获取流量的三大主要方式是广告、自然社交和搜索引擎优化。

I would argue the top three ways to get distribution nowadays are ads, organic social, and SEO.

这些就是三大主要渠道。

Like, those are the big three.

所以选择你的流量渠道。

So choose your distribution.

我犯了一个错误，没有先关注流量分配，而目录网站是一种以流量为先的模式。

I made the mistake of not focusing on distribution first, and directories are a distribution first model.

它们在搜索引擎优化方面具有某种不公平的优势，因为当我创建这个目录或发布它时，我会拥有围绕‘豪华洗手间拖车’这一主题的上千个页面。

They kind of have an unfair advantage when it comes to SEO, because if I create this directory or when I publish this directory, I kind of have this topical relevance where I have like a thousand pages all around luxury restroom trailers.

因此，要为‘加州贝克斯菲尔德的豪华洗手间拖车’这样的关键词排名变得非常容易，然后逐步扩展到‘洛杉矶的豪华洗手间拖车’。

So it's really easy to start rank so it's really easy to start ranking for luxury restroom trailer, Bakersfield, California, and then work my way up to like luxury restroom trailers, Los Angeles.

所以我认为，这为你提供了一个完整的过程，教你如何将一个想法转化为一个可以出售的在线资产，只要你能实现盈利。

So I think it just gives it kind of just gives you this really full process of like, how to take an idea, build an online asset that you can sell if it is monetizing.

它们可以通过多种方式盈利，通常利润率很高，你可以从世界任何地方操作，而且现在的成本已经很低了。

They can monetize in multiple ways, generally pretty high margin, you know, can do it from anywhere in the world, and it's pretty low cost now.

你可以用不到几百美元的成本搭建一个目录。

You can build a directory for under a few $100.

所以某种程度上，这些是小赌注，但它们可能成为巨大的企业，就像我们一开始看到的那样。

So in a way, these are small bets, but they can be massive businesses as we saw in the very beginning.

但再次强调，为了节省大家的时间，SEO通常需要时间，尤其是当你刚起步的时候。

But again, just to save people time, SEO generally takes time, especially if you're just getting started.

所以如果你的时间线在六个月以内，比如你被解雇了或者急需用钱，我会建议你去跳蚤市场倒卖物品，或者类似的做法。

So if your timeline is under six months, if you got fired from your job or you need money immediately, I would say go to garage sales and flip items or something like that.

因为当我急需用钱的时候，我就是这么做的。

Because that's what I did when I really needed money.

而且，是的，这就是我的建议。

And, yeah, that's what I would say.

百分之百同意。

100%.

我认为总的来说，无论你正在做什么创业点子，都不可能指望它一夜成功，无论是什么商业模式——市场平台、社交网络、手机应用、目录、微型SaaS。

I think in general, no matter what startup idea you're working on, you can't expect it to be overnight in general no matter what business model, marketplace, social network, mobile app, directory, micro SaaS.

你知道，这是一件需要不断迭代、寻找、找到渠道并加以扩展的事情。

You know, this is a thing that you have to iterate towards and find and find the channels and scale it and stuff like that.

而且有些事情是你无法控制的。

And some things are out of your control too.

在我们结束之前，我想问一个问题：在一个像你提到的那样，SEO 是这些目录重要流量来源的世界里，

One thing I wanted to ask bef before we head out was in a world where LLMs like, you know, you mentioned SEO is is a huge traffic driver for some of these directories.

在人们通过 LLM（如 Perplexity、ChatGPT 和 Gemini）寻找产品和服务的世界中，目录的角色是什么？

In a world where people are finding products and services through LLMs, like Perplexity and ChatGPT and Gemini, you know, where where what is the role of directories there?

对吧？

Right?

因为，你知道，ChatGPT 会不会直接抓取 luxuryrestroomtrailers.com 然后直接放进结果里？那你又怎么赚钱呢？

Because, you know, is ChatGPT just gonna scrape luxuryrestroomtrailers.com and just put it in there and then how are you gonna be able to generate revenue?

是的。

Yeah.

这个问题非常中肯。

Totally fair question.

我认为在这方面有两个观点。

I would say I have two points on this.

第一个观点是，我认为如果有人在2026年还在浏览目录，他们已经过了发现阶段。

And the first one is that I think if someone's browsing a directory in 2026, they're sort of past the discovery phase.

像ChatGPT、Perplexity和其他这些LLM真正擅长的是帮助你发现事物或获取更多相关信息。

Like what I think ChatGPT, Perplexity and all these other LLMs do really well, is they help you discover things or get more information on the thing.

但当一个人进入目录页面时，我认为他们已经进入决策阶段。

But by the time someone's on a directory, I think they're in the decision making phase.

对于任何更复杂的决策，如果出错的后果太严重，人们都会进行尽职调查，考察所有选项。

And with any more complex decision where the consequence is too much to risk if you mess it up, they're gonna do their due diligence and look at all the options.

这种情况可能以几种不同方式发生，比如养老院。

And so this can play out in a couple different ways, like senior living homes.

比如，你在为父母找一家养老院，你会不会只靠ChatGPT，随便选第一个？

Like, you're finding a senior living home for your parents, are you just gonna go on ChatGPT and just, like, choose the first one?

不会，你很可能会考虑父母的偏好，他们可能有一些关键的否决条件，比如失智症的例子。

No, you're probably going to take your parents preferences in mind, and they might have deal breakers like the dementia example.

律师、健康、金融或法律领域，选错会计师或财务顾问的后果和风险是完全不值得的。

Lawyer, anything in like health, finance or legal, the consequence and the risk of choosing a bad accountant or financial adviser is just like not worth.

你不会随便选第一个选项，而是会比较你附近的所有选择。

Like, you're not gonna just choose the first option, and so you're gonna compare all the options near you.

我认为这正是促使人们去谷歌、费尽心思寻找可能成为你目录的信息的原因。

And I think that's what pushes people to Google and like really go out of their way to look for what could be your directory.

价格是另一个因素。

Pricing is another thing.

只要能省钱，人们就会更倾向于去谷歌搜索和查看各种目录。

Anytime someone can save money, I think that drives a lot of just going on Google and looking at directories.

是的，这绝对是百分之百真实的情况。

And, yeah, like, that's that's a 100% a thing.

我之前听了一个播客，讲的是那些百万富翁为了在超市买更便宜的蓝莓而开车穿越全城。

I was listening to the podcast, a podcast around like, you know, these millionaires driving across town for cheaper blueberries at the grocery store.

这永远都是个问题。

Like, this is always gonna be a problem.

第二点是，本地SEO或任何版本的本地SEO实际上并没有太大的变化。

And then the second point is like local SEO or any version of local SEO hasn't really changed that much.

我的意思是，大型语言模型虽然不错，但如果我们搜索‘洛杉矶理发’这样的词，从SEO的角度来看，这解释了为什么目录网站可能会长期有效。

And what I mean is LLMs are decent, but if we go to like haircut Los Angeles, for example, This is now kind of looking at things from an SEO perspective and why directories might continue working for a long time.

这是一个本地查询，其实并没有太大不同。

This is a local query, and there's not really much different.

比如，你在这里会看到本地商家精选结果、一些付费广告，然后还有自然搜索结果。

Like, you kind of have your local pack here, some sponsored posts, but then you have your organic listing results.

但如果你说‘发胶’之类的产品，谷歌多年来已经彻底改变了搜索结果页面的呈现方式，这就是为什么我在创建目录时，不会选择产品类的细分领域，因为那要难得多。

But if you say like, I don't know, hair gel, something like that, Google's completely changed the way the SERPs looks over the years, and this is the reason why when I build directories, I don't choose product based niches, because it's way harder.

你只是在和大量的其他内容、社交媒体以及其他各种东西竞争。

You're just competing with so much other content and, like, socials and all this other stuff.

所以从SEO的角度来看，我认为任何类型的本地SEO仍然是低垂的果实。

So from an SEO perspective, I think, like, any kind of local SEO is still pretty low hanging fruit.

我仍然认为目录网站在某种程度上会继续存在，也许我们会看到不同的发展方向。

And I still think directories are just going to be around in some capacity, and maybe we'll see a different direction.

我不知道你有没有看过马克·刘的Trust MRR，但它本质上是一个目录。

I don't know if you saw Mark Liu's Trust MRR, but it's essentially a directory.

他利用自己的个人品牌和受众来创建了它。

And he leveraged his personal brand and audience to create it.

但这个项目现在火爆极了。

But that's been going crazy.

他把它变成了一个市场，现在你可以买卖企业，利用了你可以变现的这个理念。

He turned it into a marketplace where now you can acquire or sell businesses, kind of playing on this idea that you can monetize.

一旦你有了流量，就可以以任何你想要的方式进行变现。

You can monitor once you have traffic, you can monetize in any way that they want.

人们甚至会主动联系你，发邮件说：嘿，你能把这个加到你的目录里吗？

And people will go out of their way and just email you sometimes and say, hey, can you like add this to your directory?

这可能会激发某种变现思路。

And that might inspire a kind of monetization idea.

所以这就是我想说的。

So that's what I would say.

但这确实是一个真正的担忧。

But it's definitely a real concern.

我确信情况会变得好很多。

I'm sure it's gonna get way better.

我们可能会进入一个代理搜索的时代，那时的情况简直难以置信。

And we might get to a point with agentic search where it's just unreal.

而且，到那时我们确实得想办法应对了。

And yeah, like, we'll we'll we'll have to figure it out at that point.

但我认为作为一项业务的潜在客户开发永远不会消失。

But I don't think lead generation as a business is ever gonna go away.

对。

Yeah.

你可以论证，在人们转向大语言模型进行搜索、或者AI搜索占据主导的世界里，实际上那些垂直领域的目录会留存下来，而横向目录反而会受到冲击。

You can make the argument that in a world where people are going to LLMs for search or AI search takes over that, in fact, the niche directories are the ones that stay, and the ones that are horizontal directories actually get hurt Mhmm.

因为提问会变得非常非常具体。

Because the question the prompting is very, very specific.

会发生的是，无论怎样，ChatGPT 都得引用你的网站。

And what's gonna happen is the data that you know, ChatGPT is gonna have to reference your website no matter what.

它们不可能完全盗走你所有的数据。

They can't just, like, fully steal all your data.

所以它们会给你提供链接。

So they're gonna they're gonna give you the link.

嗯。

Mhmm.

而妙处在于，你不会像在谷歌上看到成千上万条蓝色链接那样，而在 AI 搜索的世界里，你只会看到三條结果。比如你问：‘我在附近哪里能找到最好的豪华洗手间拖车？’

And the beauty is instead of getting, you know, a thousand little blue links on Google, in an AI search world, you're getting three you know, you ask for a question, where can I find the best, you know, luxury restroom trailer in my area?

你只会得到一到三个回答。

You're getting one or two or three responses.

所以我认为，如果我今年要建一个目录，我会尽量把它做得非常垂直，以便适应这个新的 AI 搜索时代。

So I think that if I'm building a directory this year, I'm trying to build it super niche so I can play into that new AI search era.

完全正确。

100%.

不容忽视。

Can't be ignored.

这是事实。

That is for a fact.

弗雷、丘，谢谢你们，你们是天使。

Frey, Chew, thank you for you're an angel.

谢谢你来参加，准备得这么充分，分享了这么多宝贵的内容。

You're thank you for coming on and and being so well prepared and sharing as much sauce as you do.

你简直就是目录的意大利面工厂，为此我衷心祝福你。

You're basically a spaghetti factory for directories, and God bless you for it.

我们非常感谢你。

We appreciate you.

弗雷，如果人们想更多地了解你和你的生态系统，最好的途径是什么？

Frey, if people wanna learn more about you and your ecosystem, what's what's the best place for that?

是的，老兄。

Yeah, man.

非常感谢你邀请我参加。

Always appreciate you having me on.

真的非常感谢。

Seriously appreciate it.

不过，如果你想了解更多关于目录的信息，我每周都会在我的频道上发布一个视频。

But yeah, if you wanna learn more about directories, I do make a video every week on my own channel.

我还创建了一个免费的目录社区。

And I also created a free directory community.

里面已经有超过3200人了。

There's over 3,200 people in it.

里面有很多聪明的人。

So bunch of smart people in there.

如果你有疑问，刚刚开始，或者想学习一些技巧、获得反馈，这始终是一个不错的选择。

If you have questions and you're just getting started or you wanna learn some tips, get some feedback, that is always an option.

否则，基本上就是这样了。

Otherwise, that's pretty much it.

我很乐意分享我最近在做什么。

And, happy to share what I'm up to.

感谢你。

Appreciate you.

我会在描述和节目笔记中附上相关链接。

I'll include links for that in the description and in the show notes.

而且，如果你喜欢这个内容，想要更多这样的内容，欢迎点赞、评论、订阅，希望下次还能见到你，Frey，你记得你是哪一年来的吗？

And, yeah, if you like if you like this content, you want more of it, feel free to like, comment, subscribe, and I'll see you hopefully, you know, I think what year did you come on, Frey?

你是去年来的，还是前年？

Did you come on last year or the year before?

就是整整一年前了。

It was literally, like, a year ago.

差不多就是精确到那天，真的。

Like, almost to the almost on the dot, actually.

是的。

Yeah.

我真希望这能成为每年的传统。

So would love would love I'd love this to be yearly tradish.

听起来不错。

That sounds good.

而且看看目录领域是如何演变的。

And you know, and see how the world of directories is evolving.

我知道大家非常喜欢你，也非常期待你再次做客。

And I know people love you and and and love love you coming on.

我觉得这仅仅是因为你解释事情非常清晰，而且你在这一领域积累了大量的知识。

And I think I think it's just because you're you're really clear on explaining things, and and and it's and you've you've amassed a tremendous amount of knowledge in the space.

所以再次感谢你，下次再见。

So so thank you again, and and I'll see you next time.

非常感谢。

Appreciate it.

太客气了，我改天再找你。

Super kind, and I'll catch you later.