克劳德代码的创造者揭秘"克劳德协作"的设置

克劳德协作者在这里。

Claude Cowork is here.

如果你懂得如何使用它，你就能超越地球上99%的人。

And if you understand how to use it, you're gonna be able to outperform 99% of people on this planet.

这是你使用克劳德代码的简便方式。

It is an easy way for you to use Claude Code.

你可能听说过克劳德代码。

You might have heard of Claude Code.

它已经走红了，但问题是它显得很技术化。

It's gone viral, but the problem is it feels technical.

你得进入终端，这对很多初学者来说并不有趣。

You have to go into the terminal, and it's not fun for a lot of beginners.

因此，克劳德推出了协作者，这是一个全新的产品，它将克劳德代码的强大功能融入了一个简单易用的界面，任何人都能使用，你的爸爸可以用，你的妈妈也能用，嘿，连你都能用。

So Claude has come up with Cowork, and it's a brand new product that harnesses the power of Claude code in a UI that is simple, that anyone could use, that your dad can use, your mom could use, hey, even you can use.

所以在这期节目中，我请来了这个产品的创作者鲍里斯。

So in this episode, I brought on Boris, the maker of this product.

我非常兴奋，因为他会向你展示使用Claude Cowork的最佳实践，以及他如何设置Claude Code以充分发挥其功效。

I'm so excited that he shows you the best practices for how to use Claude Cowork, and at the end, how he sets up his Claude code to get the most out of it.

你一定会喜欢这一集。

You're gonna love this episode.

我们很幸运。

We are lucky.

我们有Boris。

We've got Boris.

他是Claude Code的创作者，我可以说也是今天Claude Cowork的联合创作者。

He's the creator of Claude Code, and I would say the cocreator of Claude Cowork today.

今天，我想达成的目标是，大家都在谈论Cowork，我想深入理解它的使用场景、如何入门，以及一些不那么明显的使用方式。

And today, what I wanna get accomplished is everyone's talking about Cowork, and I wanna best understand what are the use cases, how can we get started, what are some non obvious ways I can use it.

所以，Boris，非常感谢你来参加这期节目。

So, Boris, thank you so much for coming on the show.

我有一个问题想问你。

And I have one question for you.

到这集结束时，人们能从中获得什么？

By the end of this episode, what are people gonna get out of it?

哦，我觉得人们会开始获得更多关于如何使用CoWork的灵感。

Oh, I think people are gonna start to get some more ideas for how to use co work.

而且希望他们会在推特上分享，甚至主动联系我，让我了解他们想如何使用CoWork。

And hopefully, they're going to tweet about it, maybe they'll even reach out to me so I could learn how they want to use CoWork.

这挺有趣的。

It's funny.

我觉得从一开始，QuadCode根本不是打算做成一个产品的。

I feel like QuadCode, from the beginning, it wasn't actually built to be a product at all.

但当我们刚开始把它当作一个产品来思考时，我们认为人们会用它来写代码。

But when we first started thinking about it as a product, we thought that the thing people would use it for is coding.

但我们很快发现，人们并不仅仅用它来写代码。

But we've learned very quickly that people didn't just use it for coding.

他们用它来做各种各样的事情。

They used it for all sorts of stuff.

所以我觉得Cloud Code的演变历程非常出人意料。

So I feel the journey of Cloud Code has been very surprising.

通过观察人们如何使用这个产品、如何滥用它，以及他们真正想用它来做什么，即使这些用途并不是设计初衷，我也学到了很多。

And I have been learning so much just watching how people use the product and how they abuse it and kind of like what what they actually want to use it for and even if it's not designed for that.

所以我对CoWork也有类似的感受。

So I kind of feel the same way about coworker.

我对人们会用它来做什么有一些想法。

I have some ideas about what people are gonna use it for.

我把这些都看作是假设。

I kind of view these as hypotheses.

我很乐意讨论这个话题，也很乐意做个简短的演示，向你展示我们实际用它来做的一些事情。

And so happy to talk about it, happy to maybe able to do a quick demo to to show you kind of some of the some of the things that we use it for.

但我认为结果一定会让人惊讶，我也希望当看到人们在真实场景中如何使用它时，我会感到意外。

But I think that it's gonna be pretty surprising, And I hope that I will be surprised when we see how people actually use it in the wild.

是的。

Yeah.

我认为这在平台上总是如此，尤其是当你想到苹果创建App Store时，最初的应用程序就像一个喝酒应用，还有一些乱七八糟的随机应用。

I think that's always the case with with platforms, especially if you think about it like when when the makers of the App Store created the App Store, you know, the the initial apps was, like, you know, a beer drinking app and, like, a bunch of random apps like that.

他们能预见到Uber、DoorDash、TikTok会从那里诞生吗？

Did they know that, you know, Uber was gonna come out of that, DoorDash was gonna come out of that, TikTok was gonna come out of that?

大概不能。

Probably not.

所以我觉得，我们现在所处的这个阶段，无论是Cloud Code还是Claude Cowork，大家都正在一起摸索。

So I think that what's really cool about the phase that we are in right now with Claude Code and also Claude Cowork is we're all figuring it out at the same time.

我们所有人，包括创造者，都没有全部的答案，但我同意你的看法。

And none of us, including the creator, have all the answers, but I agree with you.

就像，现在正是分享哪些方法有效、哪些无效的好时机。

Like, what's it's it's a good time to be sharing some you know, sharing what's working, what's not working.

如果你愿意的话，我们来共享屏幕，实际动手试试吧。

And, you know, if you're open to it, let's let's screen share and and get our hands dirty.

是的。

Yeah.

好的。

Yeah.

我们开始吧。

Let's do it.

那么，现在我们看什么，博里斯？

So what are we looking at right now, Boris?

好的。

Yeah.

这是Quad桌面应用。

So this is the this is the Quad desktop app.

你只需要下载它。

So you just download it.

Cowork目前仅支持macOS。

Cowork is only available for macOS.

你知道的，Windows版本很快就会推出。

You know, Windows coming soon.

桌面应用里有几个不同的标签页。

There's a few different tabs in the desktop app.

首先是聊天，这是默认选项。

So there's the chat, that's the default.

还有Cowork，这是新功能。

There's Cowork, that's the new one.

还有代码，那就是Cloud Code。

And there's code, and that's just Cloud Code.

Cowork底层实际上就是Cloud Code。

CoWork, under the hood, it's actually just Cloud Code.

因此，让Cloud Code如此强大的智能代理，我们称之为Cloud Agent。

And so the agent that makes Cloud Code awesome, we call it the Cloud Agent.

它还提供了Cloud Agent SDK，你可以通过编程方式使用它。

It's also available as the Cloud Agent SDK, so you can use it programmatically.

各种公司都可以基于它构建各种酷炫的应用。

You can all sorts of companies build all sorts of cool things on top of it.

我们实际上在Cowork中直接使用了完全相同的SDK。

We actually use that same exact SDK directly in Cowork.

所以这相当酷。

So it's pretty cool.

它在所有地方都以同一种方式运作。

It's just kind of one way across everything.

我们拥有最好的智能体、最好的智能体模型，为什么不直接用呢？

We have the best agent, have the best agentic model, might as well use it.

所以接下来我会演示一下如何使用这个东西。

And so what I'll do is just to kind of show how to use this thing.

当我想到智能体AI时，'智能体'这个词已经失去了所有意义，因为它被滥用得太频繁了。

When I think about agentic AI, this word agentic has sort of lost all meaning because it's just used so much.

所以我感觉很多听众可能都听过'智能体'这个词，但他们并不真正理解它的含义，或者只是觉得它是个很酷的AI之类的东西。

So I feel like probably a lot of listeners have heard the word agent, but they don't actually know what it means or they think it's some cool AI or something.

但实际上，在AI领域，这个词有非常具体的含义，而我觉得这个含义已经丢失了，因为过去很多产品发布时自称是'智能体'，但实际上并不符合定义。

But it actually has a very specific meaning in the AI world, which I think has kind of been lost because a lot of the products that people have released and called AgenTic in the past are not actually AgenTic.

当你想到大家用过的AI产品时，比如云代码、聊天类应用，你只是和应用来回发消息，代理与它们最大的区别在于它能采取行动。

And so when you think about the AI products that everyone's used, obviously, Cloud Code, chat based apps where you just chat with the app back and forth, send some messages, the biggest difference with agents is it can take action.

它不仅仅是文本交互，也不仅仅是网络搜索，而是能真正使用你电脑上的工具。

And it's not just text and it's not just web searching, but it can actually use tools on your computer.

它能够与现实世界互动。

It can interact with the world.

因此，从一开始，Anthropic就希望在这方面做到极致，即使在我们的模型还不够好、还没推出Cloud 3之前，我们就认为这非常重要。

And so for Anthropic from the very beginning, since before our models were good, before Cloud three or whatever, this is a thing that we wanted to get really good at because we felt that it's very important.

所以从一开始，我们就希望我们的模型在编程、工具使用和电脑操作方面都表现出色。

And so from the start, we wanted our models to be really great at coding and then really great at tool use and then really great at computer use.

这还挺酷的。

So it's kind of cool.

过去一年，看到人们如何破解Quad Code，很明显，这正是我们应该前进的方向。

The last year seeing how people have been hacking quad code, it's pretty obvious this is kind of the place that we should go.

因此，对于使用过Quad Code的人来说，这些内容都不会太令人惊讶。

And so for people that have used quad code, none of this will be too surprising.

这些实际上都是你可以做的事情。

These are actually things that you can do.

所以我们真正想做的是，让每个人都能安全地使用这项功能。

So really what we're trying to do is make this something that everyone can use in a way that's safe.

因此，我将在我的桌面上创建一个收据文件夹。

And so what I'm gonna do is here on my desktop, have this receipts folder.

我里面已经放了几张收据。

I have a few receipts in it.

所以我要让 CoWork 访问我的桌面。

So I'm just gonna give co work access to my desktop.

你需要选择它能查看的具体文件夹。

And you have to pick which specific folders it can see.

默认情况下，它什么都看不到，因此你必须主动选择允许它访问特定文件夹。

By default, it can't see anything, so you have to kind of opt in to see to let it, access specific folders.

所以我会说，比如，我有一个收据文件夹。

And so I'm gonna say, you know, I can say, I have a receipts folder.

你能把文件重命名为与收据上的日期一致吗？

Can you rename the files to match the dates on the receipts?

所以我认为使用CoWork时，一个有趣的地方是它真的在操作你的文件。

So so I think one interesting thing is when you're using CoWork, it's really like, It's operating with your files.

这是人们应该具备的一种重要思维转变。

That's a big sort of mindset shift that people should have.

它几乎就像你的操作系统。

It's almost like your operating system.

对吗？

Is that right?

是的，没错。

Yeah, exactly.

它拥有你的文件，也就是你授权它访问的那些文件。

It has your files, so the ones that you give it access to.

但更酷的是，它还能使用各种工具。

But actually the even cooler thing is it can use all sorts of tools.

文件确实有用，但没那么酷。

And so files actually is That's useful, but it's not that cool.

真正更有趣的是，它能为你生成文件。

What's actually much more interesting is it can generate files for you.

它可以制作演示文稿之类的东西。

So it can make presentations and things like this.

它可以通过MCP与任何工具交互，并内置了对基于Chrome浏览器的支持。

It can interact with any tool over MCP, and it has built in support for Chrome based browsers.

因此，它实际上可以控制你的浏览器来完成各种操作。

So it can actually control your browser to do to do stuff.

所以我来稍微演示一下。

And so I'll I'll kinda show that a little bit.

所以这是第一步。

So this is kind of the first step.

当你刚开始使用CoWork时，我建议你完全按照我刚才的做法做。

When you're first getting started with CoWork, the thing I recommend is do exactly what I just did.

卸载文件夹，给CoWork访问权限，然后随意试用一下。

Dismount the folder, give CoWork access to it, and just play around with it.

它在整理文件、组织这类事情上非常有用。

It's super useful for cleaning up files, organizing things like that.

所以这里，它找到了我这四张收据。

So here, it found these four receipts that I have.

它在问我，其中一张收据是不是缺少日期，是否应该重命名其他几张？

It's asking me if one of the receipts, I guess, is missing a date, so should I just rename the others?

那我就说，对于第一张，就看你了。

So I'll just say, for one, We'll say it's like up to you.

对于第二张，我会说，不要重命名。

And then for two, I'll say, Don't rename it.

在人工智能领域，我们实际上把这称为反向请求。

And we actually call this reverse solicitation in the AI world.

这意味着当模型对某事不确定时，会向你寻求澄清。

So what this means is when the model is unsure about something, it's gonna ask you for clarification.

我们已经教会了模型在这方面做得相当不错。

And we've sort of taught the model to be pretty good at this.

所以当模型对某事不确定时，它不会自行假设，而是会向你询问。

So instead of assuming if it's unsure about something, it's just gonna ask you.

因此，在这种情况下，它重命名了这些收据。

And so, yeah, in this case, so it renamed the receipts.

所以我只是打开一下来确认一下。

So I'm just gonna open this up to double check.

是的。

Yeah.

很好。

Cool.

收据的命名变得更加有条理了。

And so the receipts were named a little bit better organized.

那么，我接下来可以尝试的是，把这些内容放进一个电子表格里。

And so maybe what I can try next is Let's put this in a spreadsheet.

所以从某种意义上说，它基本上能控制你的电脑，对吧？

So it takes control of your computer basically in that sense, right?

如果你允许它控制的话。

If you allow it to take control.

是的，没错。

Yeah, yeah, that's right.

因此我们在安全性上投入了大量工作，确保在发生这种情况时，你不会不小心误删文件或做其他类似的事情。

And so we put so much work into safety and making sure that as this happens you don't accidentally shoot yourself in the foot and delete files or whatever.

为此我们付出了巨大的努力。

So there's just a huge amount of work that went into this.

这一切从模型层面就开始了，对于Anthropic来说，从一开始我们就是一家AI安全实验室，这也是我们存在的原因。

And it starts at the model side where for Anthropic, from the very beginning, we were the AI safety lab and that's the reason that we exist.

因此，我们在对齐、机制可解释性以及所有这些理念上投入了大量工作，以确保模型在模型层面上以安全的方式完成你希望它做的事。

And so there's a lot of work into alignment and mechanistic interpretability and all these ideas to make sure that the model does what you want in a way that's safe, at the model layer.

这 literally 意味着研究神经元，就像研究人类大脑中的神经元一样。

This literally means studying the neurons, the same way that you would study neurons in a human.

因此你可以识别出这些结构，并以一种科学的方式将它视为黑箱来研究，以确保其安全性。

And so you can identify structures and you can study in a very scientific way as a black box also to make sure that it's safe.

所以这被称为对齐。

So this is called alignment.

然后我们还做了大量其他工作。

And then we do a whole bunch of other stuff.

实际上，底层运行着一个完整的虚拟机，目的是确保任何操作都是安全的，不会影响你的整个系统。

So there's actually a whole virtual machine running under the hood, and this is just to make sure that any actions taken are safe and don't affect your broader system.

而上周开始，我们还增加了删除保护功能。

And then as of last week, there's also deletion protection.

如果你不小心删除了某些内容，系统会先向你发出提示。

If you accidentally delete something, then you're gonna get prompted first.

因此模型可以确认这确实是你要做的事情。

So the model can make sure that that's actually a thing that you wanna do.

显然，当我们开始与互联网交互时，像提示注入这样的问题非常令人担忧。

Obviously, also as we start interacting with the internet, something like prompt injection is quite scary.

因此，我们内置了许多针对这些问题的保护措施。

And so we built in a lot of protections against that.

显然，这并不完美，我们仍在不断改进。

Obviously, it's not perfect and it's something we're iterating on.

但我们也之所以这么早就发布，是因为想看看人们会怎么使用它。

But there's also part of the reason that we released this pretty early, is we want to see how people use it.

让模型更安全的重要部分，不仅是在实验室中研究它，更要在实际使用中观察它的表现和价值。

And a big part of making models safe isn't just studying them in a lab, but studying them in the wild to see how it's useful.

所以这真的很酷。

And so this was pretty cool.

我们有一个文件夹。

So we have this folder.

首先，它重命名了我所有的收据。

First, it renamed all my receipts.

我让它帮我生成一个表格。

I asked it to make a sheet.

它直接生成了这个电子表格，所以已经在这里了。

It just made this spreadsheet, so it's already here.

也许我不想要一个电子表格。

Maybe I don't want a spreadsheet.

也许我想要的是一个 Google 表格。

Maybe I I want, like, a Google Sheet.

所以实际上

So actually

这太有趣了。

That's so interesting.

对吧？

Right?

因为我觉得，人们在使用像 Cowork 和 Cloud Code 这样的工具时遇到困难，是因为你能做任何事——当然，这很合理，比如把它变成一个 Google 表格。

Because, like, I think where people stumble with tools like Cowork and Cloud Code is because you can do anything, making it a of course, that makes sense, making it a Google Sheet.

但正因如此，它才这么有趣，你真的可以把它当作一个团队伙伴来看待。

But, like, that's where it's so interesting that you can you really can treat it like a teammate in that sense.

对吧？

Right?

去把这件事做了吧。

Like, go and do this thing.

世界任你遨游。

The world is your oyster.

哇哦。

Woah.

现在发生什么了？

What is happening right now?

是的。

Yeah.

所以它就像打开了浏览器。

So it's like it's opening the browser.

然后它会向我请求权限。

And so here it's gonna ask me for permission.

为了这个演示，我会选择始终允许该网站。

Just for this demo, I'm gonna say always allow for the site.

但你也可以选择仅允许一次或拒绝。

But you can just say allow once or deny.

现在由Quad来接管了。

And so Quad's taking the wheel.

它正在为我生成一个电子表格。

It's making a spreadsheet for me.

这可能需要花一点时间。

This is gonna sort of take a while.

我们正在改进的一件事就是让这种计算机操作变得快得多。

And so this is one of the things that we're iterating on is making this kind of computer use a lot faster.

我记得，我刚加入Anthropic的时候，那时候还是Sonic 3.6版本，或者我忘了我们当时叫它什么，Sonic 3.5 New。

I remember, man, this is when I first joined Anthropic and this was maybe Sonic 3.6 days or I forgot what we called it, Sonic 3.5 new.

那是第一个我们发布出来用于破解计算机的模型。

And that was the first model that I think we released for it to crack computers.

我记得当时正和我的团队坐在一起，突然有个研究员冲进房间，惊呼：天哪，Quad居然会用电脑。

And I remember I was sitting with my team and there was literally a researcher that ran into the room in the movies and was like, Oh my God, Quad knows how to use computers.

我们只是让它点了个披萨，它选了菠萝披萨，然后下单，还问我们要信用卡信息。

And we just had it order a pizza and it picked a pineapple pizza and then ordered it and it asked us for a credit card.

接着，披萨就被送到了办公室。

And then we we got that delivered to the office.

但这个过程很繁琐。

But it was tedious.

它花了大概一个小时才完成这些点击操作。

It took, an hour or something for it to click around.

从那以后，我们一直在提升模型使用电脑的能力。

And since then, we've been improving the model's ability to use a computer.

所以你可以在这里看到这一点。

And so you can kinda see that here.

你看，Quad正在打字，并与电子表格进行交互。

So here, the you know, Quad is typing, and it's interacting with the spreadsheet.

它能看到屏幕上的内容。

And it can see what's on the screen.

它能与之交互。

It can interact with it.

你浏览器里的任何东西，它都能直接使用。

Anything that's in your browser, it it can just use.

那它能使用邮件吗？

And could it use, like, email?

比如说，我们想把这个发给财务团队。

You know, let's say we wanted to send this to somebody, you know, finance team.

我们稍后再深入讨论，但像连接和MCP这样的功能，有可能实现吗？

Like, can you maybe we'll get into it later, but, you know, with things like connections and MCPs, is that possible?

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

完全正确。

Totally.

好的。

Okay.

所以我们来弄一个漂亮的表格吧，因为我们不想给同事发一个格式混乱的表格。

So let's, like, let's make this, like, kind of a nice spreadsheet because we don't wanna send, like, a badly formatted spreadsheet to our coworker.

但我们先把它弄漂亮，然后让Quad帮我们发送。

But let's make it nice and then we can ask Quad to send it.

所以这里挺酷的。

So here it's kinda cool.

这还处于早期阶段，所以有些格式错误。

It's still early days and so there's some formatting mistakes.

它没有完全正确地粘贴，但它注意到了。

It didn't paste it exactly correctly, but it noticed it.

注意，它实际上没有正确地分列。

So notice that it's not actually split correctly.

所以现在它正在尝试格式化。

So now it's trying to format it.

所以它注意到了这一点。

So it kinda noticed this.

而且，格雷格，你说得对，这挺有趣的。

And yeah, Greg, to your point, it's funny.

这些使用场景以及人们使用这些工具的方式，就像我一开始说的，会让人非常意外。

These use cases and the way that people are gonna use these tools, like I said at the start, it's gonna be so surprising.

我非常期待看到人们会怎么使用它。

I'm just so excited to see how people use it.

关于它们的一个奇怪之处是，它们的功能如此通用。

And the crazy thing about them is they're so general purpose.

这有点像计算机本身，或者互联网之类的东西。

It's sort of like a computer itself or the internet or something.

就像你说的，当你刚拥有iPhone时，你绝不会想到将来会出现Uber这样的应用，但事实就是这样发生了。

Like you said, when you first had an iPhone, you would never have predicted that there would be an Uber app at some point, but that's what happened.

我觉得我们正处于这个阶段的开端，只不过针对的是智能代理。

And I sort of feel like we're at the beginning of that, but for agents.

是的。

Yeah.

事后回想起来，这听起来太明显了。

I think it sounds so obvious in hindsight.

当然，你有一部带GPS的手机。

Like, of course, you have a phone with GPS.

当然。

Of course.

对吧？

Right?

你肯定会看到像Uber和DoorDash这样的应用。

You're gonna you're gonna have things like Uber and DoorDash and stuff like that.

但我觉得，你说得对。

But I feel like, yes, you're right.

我想，我在脑子里正试图弄清楚的是，我看着这一切，觉得这真的很酷，但我在想，好吧，我该怎么审计我整个公司呢？

I think, like, what I'm trying to figure out in my mind like, I'm watching this and I'm like, this is really cool, but I'm thinking about, like, okay, you know, how do I audit, like, my entire company?

公司都在进行哪些任务呢？

Like, what are all the tasks that the company is doing?

它们是如何与文件交互的？

How are they interacting with files?

它们是如何使用互联网的，如何发送文件的，以及我有哪些机会可以提升团队和我自己的工作效率。

And how are they using the Internet, and how are they sending things, and then what are opportunities I can use to, like, make my team and also my life more productive.

现在我脑子里想的就是这些。

That's what's going through my head right now.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

完全没错。

Totally.

这是个很好的思考方式。

That's a great way to think about it.

顺便说一下，有个挺酷的点是，当这个运行的时候，我打算新建一个任务去做别的事。

By the way, something that's kind of cool is, as this is running, I'm just gonna make a new task and do something else.

那么《创智赢家》有哪些精彩的剧集呢？

So what are some cool episodes of startup?

真棒。

Cool.

这个正在运行，也可以让这个继续跑。

This one's running, can let this one go too.

我经常也会同时运行一大堆任务。

I often have a bunch of tasks running in parallel too.

但没错，就是这样。

But yeah, that's exactly it.

你应该想想，每天你都在做哪些繁琐的事情？

You should just think about what's all the tedious stuff that you do every day?

你可以把这些全部交给协作者处理。

And you can just throw all this stuff to co work.

我觉得过去一年编程领域就是这样，因为工程师和程序员总是最早采用新技术的人。

And I feel like this happened for coding over the last year because of course engineers and programmers are the earliest adopters.

所以当工具刚能胜任这类工作时，工程师们就率先使用了。

So when the tooling first became able to do that kind of work, engineers adopted it first.

但现在，其他人也能使用这些工具了。

But now this is possible for everyone else to use too.

这真是太令人兴奋了。

So that's super exciting.

当我们和工程师讨论他们喜欢如何使用Quad代码时，他们会同时运行多个Quad任务，用它来自动化那些繁琐的工作。

And when we talk to engineers about the way they like to use quad code, they run a bunch of quads in parallel, they use it to automate the tedious stuff.

说实话，对我来说，这真是我当工程师以来最有趣的经历，因为我能做自己喜欢的事，而Quad帮我完成了所有我不愿做的工作，让我感觉效率超高。

And I don't know, man, for me, this is just the most fun I've ever had as an engineer because I get to do the stuff that I enjoy and I just feel so productive because Quad does all the stuff that I didn't wanna do.

好的。

Okay.

所以我们现在用电子表格。

So now we spreadsheet.

看起来没问题。

Have This looks all right.

还不错。

It's not too bad.

数据看起来是正确的。

The data looks correct.

不过有一件事缺失了，我们可以添加总计，但为了演示方便，我想看看它能不能自动发邮件。

One thing that's missing though is well, we we can add maybe the totals, but I think for the sake of the demo, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna see if it can email it.

为了音频听众，我来读一下。

So just reading for audio listeners.

你能打开Gmail，把表格发给Amy吗？

Can you open Gmail and send the sheet to Amy?

还有

And

哇。

wow.

是的。

Yeah.

所以我要说一直继续。

So I'm gonna say always continue.

那么它怎么知道是Amy呢？

So how is it gonna know it's Amy, right?

它会从Gmail的联系人中提取吗？

It's gonna pull up the contacts within Gmail?

是的。

Yeah.

对，没错。

Yeah, exactly.

是的。

Yeah.

就是这样。

That's exactly it.

它会以任何人与电脑交互的方式与之互动。

It's gonna interact with it the same way that anyone else would interact with a computer.

而且情况是一样的。

And it's the same thing.

它可以点击东西。

It can click stuff.

它可以读取屏幕内容。

It can read the screen.

好的。

Okay.

所以打开撰写窗口。

So compose window open.

让我输入Amy。

Let me type Amy.

所以当你处于锁定状态时，实际上你会同时打开多个这样的窗口，或者多个虚拟机？

So you have multiple when locked in, so to speak, you're kinda you have multiple of these windows open at or multiple virtual machines open at at the same time?

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我通常会开一大堆，比如五个、十个或者更多。

I usually have a bunch of these, you know, like five or five or 10 or whatever.

所以我们能看见这些模型尝试与这个界面进行交互。

And so we can see the models, you know, trying to interact with this.

于是它填好了'Amy'。

And so it filled out Amy.

顺便说一下，因为这个视频会发布在YouTube上，你知道评论区肯定会有一些喷子，所以我们现在就直接回应一下。

And you know, by the way, just so you because this is, you know, going on YouTube, you know you're gonna have some haters in the comments, so we're just gonna address them right now.

有人会在评论里说：但这也太慢了吧。

Someone in the comments is gonna be like, but that's so slow.

我自己可以做得更快。

I can do it faster myself or something.

你的反应是什么？

What is your reaction?

是的。

Yeah.

当然你可以。

Of course you can.

对。

Yeah.

肯定能快得多。

Could definitely do this much faster.

对于很多四重代码来说，情况其实也是一样的。

And it's actually the same thing for a lot of quad code.

尤其是在刚开始的时候。

Especially at the beginning.

我可以做得快得多。

I could do it much faster.

但我认为会发生两件事。

But I think two things happen.

第一，模型会越来越擅长快速完成任务，这正是我预期中随着时间推移会自然发生的事。

One is that the model just gets better at doing it quickly, and this is just something I would expect over time.

但第二件事是，由于你可以并行处理多个任务，这实际上能节省大量时间。

But then the second thing is because you can do multiple things in parallel, it's actually a big time saver.

所以通常我的工作流程是同时启动几个不同的任务，然后来回切换，照顾我的四元组，确保它们状态良好，看看它们有没有什么问题或类似的情况。

And so usually my workflow is I'll kick off a few different tasks in parallel, and I'll just go back and forth between them and tend to my quads, make sure they're in a good place, see if they have any questions or anything like that.

所以这其实是一种完全不同的工作方式。

So it's really a different kind of workflow.

我觉得现在是多任务并行的时代，不是深入钻研某一件事，而是更像一个通才，更多地关注和维护你的四元组。

I feel like now is the age of multi clotting, of parallelism, of not going super deep on stuff, but kind of being more of a generalist and more tending to your quads.

所以这就是我们之前启动的另一个对话。

And so this was this other chat that we kicked off earlier.

在这种情况下，它做了一些研究，这相当酷。

And in this case it did some research, so that's pretty cool.

所以它不只是去了创业点子播客网站，而是搜索了互联网，检查了多个地方，还查看了某人的笔记。

So it didn't just go to startup ideas podcast website, but it searched the internet, checked a bunch of different places, checked someone's notes about it.

是的，关于四象限代码的十条规则。

Yeah, 10 rules for quad code.

对，我也觉得这很有趣。

Yeah, I found that interesting too.

我们来看看。

Let's see.

所以看起来这封邮件大概已经写好了。

So it seems like the email is probably all drafted.

草稿已经保存了。

The draft has been saved.

请发送。

Please send.

我也会用这个来处理Slack。

And I also use this for Slack too.

我经常每周做几次一个很常见的用例：我有一个电子表格，用来追踪团队整个季度或每周的工作进展。

A pretty common use case I've been doing maybe a couple times a week is I have a spreadsheet where we track all the team's work for for the month or for the week or whatever.

我不用再不断催促团队成员更新状态，而是让Co-Work查看这个电子表格。

And instead of having to bug everyone on the team to fill out the status, what I do is I ask co work to look at the spreadsheet.

任何没有填写的列，就直接在Slack上给对应的工程师发消息。

Any column that's not filled out, just message the engineer on Slack.

它做这个做得非常好。

And it does that really well.

所以我只要让它去做，然后我去喝杯咖啡，就再也不用亲自做这件事了。

So I just ask it to do that and then I go get a coffee, and I don't have to do that anymore.

你觉得Co-Work会成为Claude Code的入门工具吗？

Do you think that co work is going to be the gateway drug to Claude Code?

因为对很多初学者和非技术人员来说，Claude Code感觉有点复杂。

Because for a lot of beginners, nontechnical people, Claude Code feels a bit overwhelming.

但当我看你这样做时，我觉得这种方式很易懂。

But when I'm watching you do this, this feels approachable.

是的。

Yeah.

我认为大概有两种类型的用户。

I think it's probably two kinds of users.

而且这也很有趣。

And it's also it's funny.

QuadCode 最初是在终端中开发的。

QuadCode is built originally in a terminal.

如今它已经可以在 Claude 移动应用、网站、IDE、Slack 和 GitHub 上使用。

And nowadays it's available in the Claude mobile app, it's available on the website, in the IDE, on Slack, on GitHub.

所以现在它无处不在，但最初它是在终端中开发的。

So nowadays it's available everywhere, but originally it was built in a terminal.

我从未想过大多数工程师会想要使用终端。

And I never thought that most engineers would want to use a terminal.

因为这让人害怕。

Because it's scary.

它是藏在电脑里的一种东西。

It's this thing that's hidden away on the computer.

只有最硬核的工程师才会日复一日地在终端里工作。

Only the most hardcore engineers want to actually work in a terminal day in and day out.

所以让我惊讶的是，大多数工程师竟然想使用它。

And so it's surprising to me that most engineers wanted to use it.

更让人惊讶的是，很多非工程师也开始使用它，这最不可思议了。

What's even more surprising is a lot of non engineers started to use it, and that was the craziest thing.

看看Anthropic的销售团队，也就是GTM团队，有一半的人每周都会使用QuadCode。

And looking at the sales team at Anthropic, like the GTM team, half of them use quad code every week.

再看Anthropic其他非技术人员，比如设计师、产品经理、数据科学家，几乎所有人都每天使用QuadCode。

And looking at other non technical people at Anthropic, like designers, product managers, data scientists, pretty much all of them use quad code every day.

这真的让我很惊讶。

So that's been pretty surprising.

但我的假设是，他们真正想要的其实是类似这样的东西，不需要去处理终端和那些繁琐的东西。

But my hypothesis is what they would prefer is actually something a little bit more like this where you don't have to deal with a terminal and all that kind of thing.

你只需要一个友好的界面，因为你根本不需要访问bash之类的工具，模型会帮你完成所有操作。

You have a nice because you don't need access to bash and all that kind of stuff because the the model will just do it for you.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得我理想中的这种工具应该是能自动化一些流程。

I think what I would love with something like this is, you know, automating some of these processes.

而不是每次都手动做一次性的操作，而是只要发生这种情况，你就自动帮我处理。

Instead of doing one offs, it's like, anytime this happens, I want you to do this.

这才是我的梦想。

That's my dream.

是的，这是个好主意。

Yeah, it's a good idea.

我很期待看到它如何与各种技能结合起来。

I'm excited to see how it's tied into skills also.

我认为这是我们正在考虑的事情，但还没有完全想清楚。

I think it's something we're thinking about, we haven't quite figured out yet.

因为技能到底是什么？

Because a skill, what is it?

它本质上是一种可重复执行某事的方法。

It's essentially a repeatable way to do something.

所以你之前在对话中看到过，当Quad生成这个电子表格时，就出现了一点这种情况。

And so you saw that a little bit earlier up in this conversation when Quad was generating this spreadsheet.

我不知道你有没有注意到，它实际上加载了这个技能。

I don't know if you saw it, but it actually loaded the skill.

所以我们预先打包了适用于Excel的技能，这就是Quad知道如何操作的方式。

And so we prepackaged the skill for Excel and that's the way that Quad knows how to do it.

所以如果你遇到一些奇怪的文件格式，比如你使用AutoCAD或者Salesforce，不管是什么工具，只要创建一个技能，Quad就能为你完成。

And so if you have some weird file format, I don't know, if you work with AutoCAD or if you work with Salesforce, whatever it is, the tool that you use, just make a skill and then Quad can do it for you.

这很有趣。

That's interesting.