莉莉·叶的艺术疗愈力量

你好。

Hello there.

我是克里斯·安德森。

This is Chris Anderson.

欢迎来到TED访谈。

Welcome to the TED interview.

在本系列TED访谈中，我们将深入探讨慷慨的各个方面。

So, in this series of the TED interview, we're diving into generosity in all its aspects.

我逐渐相信，这是人类最具核心意义的理念，因为其他一切都有赖于它。

I've come to believe this is the single most important idea in the human arsenal because everything else depends on it.

我写过一本关于这个理念的书，名叫《传染性的慷慨》。

It's an idea I wrote a book about called Infectious Generosity.

本着慷慨的精神，我们为TED访谈的听众免费提供电子书和有声书。

And in the spirit of generosity, we're offering free copies of both the ebook and the audiobook to TED interview listeners.

您可以访问 ted.com/generosity。

You can go to ted.com/generosity.

填写那个简短的表格来领取你的免费版本。

Fill out the short form there to claim yours.

慷慨可以以许多不同的方式表达。

Now, generosity can be expressed in so many different ways.

今天，我们将聚焦于其中最美丽、也许是最美妙的一种——迷人的力量。

And today, we're focusing on one of the most beautiful, perhaps the most beautiful, enchantment.

迷人的礼物可以由艺术家、音乐家、摄影师、诗人、讲故事的人、电影制作人提供，而在这个时代，这种礼物可以通过网络分享给无限多的人。

The gift of enchantment is something that can be offered by an artist, by any musician or photographer, poet, storyteller, filmmaker, and we're in an age where that gift can be shared online to an unlimited number of people.

事实上，我认为这个事实有时让我们忽视了这份礼物有多么强大。

Actually, I I think that fact sometimes blinds us as to how powerful a gift this is.

我们正徜徉在一片免费内容的海洋中。

We're swimming in a sea of free content.

我们几乎没时间去反思这些内容能为我们带来的迷人体验。

We almost don't have time to reflect on the enchantment it is capable of bringing us.

因此，今天我认为，与其沉浸在狂热的网络世界中，不如退一步，认识一位将一生奉献给在全球各地、尤其是最意想不到的、她称之为‘破碎之地’传播迷人力量的人。

So I think it will be powerful today to step back from that frenzied online world and instead meet someone who has devoted her life to spreading enchantment to numerous communities around the world, often in the most unlikely places, the broken places, as she puts it.

所以我现在和莉莉·叶在一起，她是一位真正非凡的艺术家，如今已年过八旬。

So I'm here with Lily Yeh, a truly remarkable artist now in her eighties.

与其由我来讲述她的故事，不如邀请她亲自讲述，并与我一同探讨这种赋予人 enchantment（魔力）的能力有多么奇妙，以及这种能力能带来怎样的改变。

And rather than try to tell you her story, I'm going to invite her to tell it herself and to explore with me the amazingness of this ability to enchant, to lift people, and what can happen as a result of that.

莉莉·叶，欢迎来到TED访谈。

Lily Yeh, welcome to the TED interview.

谢谢。

Thank you.

这真是莫大的荣幸。

What an honor.

莉莉，我很想听听你童年的经历。

So Lily, I'd love to hear a bit about your childhood.

嗯，就是不停地逃跑。

Well, it was just a lot of running away.

我出生在中国，那时正值中日战争时期。

I was born in China and it was during the China Japanese war.

我妈妈的回忆录里提到，他们不断打包行李，不断躲避轰炸，寻找新的住所，路上旅行的艰难困苦等等。

My mom's memoir talked about constantly packing up, constantly running away from bombing and finding new homes, and try, you know, traveling on the road and the difficulty and so forth.

到了1948年，我家搬到了台湾，因为父亲是蒋介石军队的一名高级军官。

And then finally, 1948, my family moved to Taiwan, because my father was a high ranking officer in the army, Zhongguan Shek's army.

我们不得不为保命而逃亡。

We have to escape for our lives.

是的。

Yeah.

所以

So

于是你逃到台湾，并在那里继续度过童年。

So you fled to Taiwan and then continued your childhood there.

而且，我听说你父亲是一位著名的将军，但他却鼓励你成为艺术家。

And, I mean, your father was a renowned general, but he encouraged you to be an artist.

我理解得对吗？

Do I have that right?

哦，是的。

Oh, yes.

我父亲非常喜欢旅行。

My father who who loves to travel.

但当我们退休到台湾后，由于各种原因，我们不能再自由地旅行了。

But then when he we retired to Taiwan, we couldn't travel so freely for different reasons.

他热爱中国山水画。

And he loves Chinese landscape painting.

从某种意义上说，中国山水画的构图方式让你可以真正进入画中，与画中人物一同旅行。

And in a way, Chinese landscape painting is structured in such a way that you can literally enter the painting and travel with the people.

我15岁时，他带我去见了老师田曼石，之后我就迷上了。

When I was 15, he took me to a teacher, Tian Man Shi, and then after that I just found I was hooked.

我深深爱上了它的美与宁静。

I just loved the beauty and the calmness.

从高中到大学，台湾大学七年的时间里，我大部分时间都用于画山水画，我非常快乐，是最幸福的。

So from high school to college, Tai Da University, seven years, I used most of time in painting landscape and I was very happy, happiest.

你把这种艺术形式描述为‘无尘’的。

You've described this form of art as dustless.

这个术语是什么意思？

What what does that term mean?

是的。

Yes.

在中国文人他们的诗歌和文字中，那种向往是通往一个宁静而纯净的地方，就像山水画中那样。

In the Chinese scholar, in their poetry, in their writing, the longing is going to a place that is tranquil and pristine like in the landscape painting.

这是一种宁静，尽管如此安静，却蕴含着所有的动感。

It's a serenity, even though it is so quiet, but it contains all the movement.

对我来说，它是一个能量中心。

For me, it's an energy center.

当我接近它时，我能感觉到自己的心跳加快。

When I'm close to that, and I feel myself, my heart beat fast.

当我接近那种能量时，它仿佛永远在更新。

When I'm close to that energy, it's like it's forever renewing.

你知道，这就像道家的阴阳，存在于黑暗与光明之中，是一种永恒的拥抱与斗争。

You know, it's like Tao in yin and yang, is in dark and light, is in eternal embrace and struggling.

但它们始终保持着平衡。

But they are always in balance.

所以它包含了光明与黑暗，用其他术语来说，就是善与恶。

So it contains the light and the dark and in other terms good and evil.

善的光明与黑暗。

The good brightness and the darkness.

这种平衡如此强烈。

The balance is so intense.

它就像阳光的透明性，蕴含着一切力量。

It's like the translucency of the sunlight that contains all powers.

对我来说，这就是超越的现实，他们称之为无尘的世界。

That to me is the transcendent reality, and they call it the dustless world.

所以这并不一定是对世界本来面目的描述。

So it's not intended necessarily as a description of the world as it is.

我们内心有一种渴望，想要更纯粹地表达出我们所经历的现实之舞。

It's there's a kind of longing for a purer expression of the dance of reality that we go through.

这就是生活。

It is life.

你知道，生活处于最宁静、平衡的存在状态及其均衡之中。

You know, life in its most tranquil balanced state of being and its equilibrium.

你是怎么来到美国的？

How did you end up coming to America?

为了学习。

To study.

你知道，台湾很小。

You know, Taiwan is very small.

而且在我成长的过程中，社会管控很严，因为当时仍存在很多政治紧张局势。

And also during my time growing up, was very controlled because there is still a lot of political tension.

所以我们的目标是到国外深造。

So our goal is to further our study abroad.

所以我来的时候，拿到了好几个艺术专业的录取通知书。

And so when I came, I got several offers to study art.

我最后选择了费城，因为宾夕法尼亚大学是一所历史非常悠久的老牌院校，而且费城本身充满了历史底蕴、文化气息和独特魅力。

And so I chose Philadelphia because University of Pennsylvania is one of the old, very old school and Philadelphia is full of history and culture and charm.

那美国人有没有接纳你的风景画呢？

And did Americans embrace your landscape painting?

是的，他们接纳了。

Yes.

刚开课的时候，你怎么可能不这么想呢？

At the beginning of a course, how could you not?

这其实不是我个人的想法。

It's not really mine.

你也知道，这是行业传统。

It's the tradition, you know.

但正因为如此，我才觉得自己陷入了一种奇怪的束缚里。

But because of that, I find myself in such a strange bound.

如果我继续这个传统，我就被传统束缚了。

If I continue the tradition, I'm bound by the tradition.

某种程度上，我觉得自己像被绑住了脚。

In a way, I felt like I have tight feet.

但若我挣脱了这种束缚，我就迷失了。

But then if I let go of the bondage, I was lost.

我在一片迷雾中迷失了多年，跌跌撞撞，困惑不已。

I was quite lost for quite a few years in a fog, stumbling, wondering.

顺便说一下，你知道，我生活在一个古典的、一尘不染的世界里，那真的很美。

And by the way, you know, I lived in the classical, this dustless world is beautiful.

然后我到了六十年代末，你知道的，六十年代末。

And then I come to the sixties, late, you know, in the sixties.

天啊，什么都变得可以接受了。

Wow, my God, anything is permissible.

你有学生权利，有抗议，有纽约庞大的艺术市场，艺术变得强大，诸如此类。

You have the student rights, you have the protest, you have the huge art market in New York and art is powerful and whatnot.

我只是觉得我不属于其中任何一部分。

I just felt that I didn't belong to any of that.

我常常感觉火车正在开动。

And often I felt that the train is moving.

我抓着车门，一只手拉着，试图爬上火车。

I'm holding, hanging on by the door, one hand holding and trying to get on the train.

那非常令人兴奋，也让人迷失方向，像一团迷雾，我的确花了很多时间才找到自己的路。

It was very exciting, disorienting and fog, you know, kind of I mean, I'm very slow in finding my way.

是的。

Yeah.

但你至少在职业上开始找到方向了。

But you did start to find your way, at least in professionally.

对。

Yes.

我的意思是，一条成为成功职业艺术家的道路逐渐出现了。

I mean, there was a pathway to becoming a successful professional artist emerged.

是的。

Yes.

我很幸运，因为美国有着如此美好的开放性、自由和人与人之间的善意。

I was very lucky because America has such wonderful openness and freedom and kindness among people.

所以我感到自己被欢迎和接纳。

So I felt welcomed and embraced.

由于我来自一种截然不同的文化，画廊对此很感兴趣。

And because I come from such a different culture, know, galleries were interested.

我毕业了，因为我拥有宾夕法尼亚大学的美术硕士学位。

And I graduate because I have a master in fine arts, you know, from UPenn.

这让我有资格获得大学级别的教学职位。

So that gave me license to get a teaching job on the college level.

是的。

Yeah.

从外部来看，我是成功的，但内心并非如此。

Externally, I was successful, but not internally.

然后在费城发生了一件事，彻底改变了你的人生轨迹。

And then something happened in in Philadelphia that that really changed the trajectory of your life.

我觉得这个过程似乎解答了你的一些疑问。

And I think the process seems to have answered some of the questions you have.

说说发生了什么。

Talk about what happened.

哦，我想我迷茫了好几年。

Oh, well, I think I stumbled for quite a few years really.

从纸上的作品开始，我转而尝试在画布上创作，并且把我的作品剪碎，因为我也不知道该往哪里走。

From the work on paper, I began to work on canvas and I cut up my work because I didn't know where to go.

我开始做装置艺术。

I start to do installation.

装置艺术需要空间。

Installation requires space.

所以我一直在寻找一个合适的空间。

So I was constantly looking for a space.

因为我一直在拼命寻找，我觉得生活给了我一个机会。

And because I was searching so hard, I think life offered me an opportunity.

然后，亚瑟·霍尔，一位非常著名的非裔美国编舞家和舞蹈家，他的基地位于费城内城的北区。

And then Arthur Hall, very famed African American choreographer, dancer, he is stationed in North Philadelphia in inner city.

所以他告诉我，他总部旁边有一块废弃的空地。

So he said to me that I have an abandoned lot next to my headquarter.

你知道，你擅长做室内花园。

You do gardens, you know, interior gardens.

为什么不在我的废弃空地上建一个花园呢？

Why don't you do a garden on my abandoned lot?

我当时没多想，毕竟年轻又有点鲁莽，就说：‘哦，好啊，为什么不呢？’

And I wasn't thinking, you know, being young and kind of so reckless and I said, oh, yeah, why not?

于是大家都写提案去申请资助资金。

So everybody was writing a proposal to get grant money.

我说：‘为什么我不也试试呢？’

I said, why don't I do that?

于是我向宾夕法尼亚艺术委员会提交了申请，结果他们真的给了我一部分资金。

So I wrote the proposal to Pennsylvania Council on the Arts and lo and behold, they gave me part of the money.

但当我收到这笔钱时，我简直震惊了——他们居然愿意为我这样完全不知道该如何操作的人提供资助，让我在城市废弃的空地上，带着孩子们打造一座艺术花园。

But I was so, so stunned that somebody gave me money in doing something that I have no idea how to do, you know, to create an art garden on an abandoned lot with children in inner city.

所以我当时完全害怕了。

So I was totally scared.

于是我问了一些专业人士，他们都说：不行，你做不到。

And I said, well, I asked professionals, they said, no, you can't do it.

你的资金不够。

You don't have enough money.

这点钱根本是杯水车薪，孩子们会把任何你建起来的东西都毁掉。

It's a drop in the bucket and kids going to destroy anything you built.

我想退出了。

And I wanted to withdraw.

但内心有个声音对我说：如果你不迎难而上，你最优秀的一面就会死去，剩下的部分也将一事无成。

And then the voice in me said that, if you don't rise to the occasion, the best of you will die and the rest will not amount to anything.

我说，让我试试看。

I said, let me try this.

我认为那是我做过的一件勇敢的事，它彻底改变了我的人生。

I think that was one brave thing I did, and then it changed my life.

我的天，你内心竟然有这么一个了不起的声音。

I mean, that is one amazing internal voice you have going on there.

我的意思是，当时你已经四十多岁了。

I mean, you were in your forties at this point.

是的。

Yeah.

你被邀请去打造的这个花园，可不是简单地种点花花草草那种。

And this garden that you've been invited to, I mean, we're not talking planting some flowers here or something like that.

跟我们说说你当时具体打算做什么吧。

Tell us what actually you had in mind here and what tell us

我根本一无所知。

what I had no idea.

当我这么说的时候，我说：‘好，现在呢？’

When I said now, I said, yes, now what?

所以我认为，无论接受过多少教育，都未能为我做好准备。

So I don't think no amount of education prepared me for that.

于是我说：‘好吧，让我去四处看看。’

So I said, well, let me go and look around.

然后我问亚瑟：‘我一个人做不到。’

And then so I asked Arthur, I said, I can't do it alone.

我需要帮助。

I need help.

于是他说：‘去找乔乔吧。’

And then so he said, go and find Jojo.

乔乔的名字是约瑟夫·威廉姆斯。

Jojo's name is Joseph Williams.

他会帮你的。

And he will help.

他是个万能高手。

He's a jack of all trades.

他会帮你的。

He will help you.

于是我去了他家，就在那片废弃地旁边。

So I went to his house right next to the abandoned lot.

而且有两次，他已经去别处了。

And then twice, he already went somewhere.

后来他告诉我，街上的传言是，有个疯狂的中国老太太想在这里建个花园，想让乔乔帮忙。

And later he told me the word on the street is that there's this crazy Chinese lady who want to build a garden here and want to Jojo to help.

所以他不想跟我有任何瓜葛。

So he wanted nothing to do with me.

但第三次，我跟他分享了和孩子们一起建花园的想法，他很喜欢这个主意。

But the third time I shared with him about building the garden with the children and he liked the idea.

于是他来帮我了。

So he came and helped me.

所以我们只是在外面逛逛，把铲子这儿放放、那儿放放。

So we were just out, you know, poking around and putting the shovel here and there.

然后我看到地上有一根树枝，突然有了灵感。

And then I saw a branch on the ground and just an inspiration.

我捡起那根树枝，放在废弃地块的正中央。

I pick up that branch right in the center of the abandoned lot.

我画了一个大圆圈。

I drew a big circle.

我说，从这里开始，我们要动工了。

I said, from here, we're going to start to build.

于是我们拿了铲子，开始标出这个圆圈的范围。

And then so we got the shovel, we start to mark the circle.

然后 neighborhood 的孩子们没什么地方可去。

And then the kids in the neighborhood, they don't have place to go.

他们看到我们在那儿忙活，觉得挺有意思的。

They saw us plotting around doing this and that looks like fun.

他们只是说：‘我们可以来帮忙吗？’

They just say that, well, can we come and help?

我有点精明。

And I was a little shrewd.

我早就准备好了铲子、铁锹，还有孩子们喜欢的东西。

I already had the shovels and spade and things kids like.

我说：好，来吧。

I said, yeah, come.

于是我们开始建造。

And so we start building.

我们就是这样开始建造的。

That's how we start building.

我的第一支团队是年龄从三岁半到十三岁的小孩。

My first team was little children from three and a half to 13.

那就是我的第一支团队。

That's my first team.

孩子的力量。

Power of children.

我无法充分感谢他们对我的引导。

I cannot thank them enough for guiding me.

但你们建了什么？

But what did you build?

我们开始建造圆形结构。

We start to create the circle.

我们挖出了很多砖块、石头等等。

We dug up a lot of bricks and rocks and so forth.

然后我们意识到，这个被遗弃的地方其实拥有丰富的资源。

Then we realized that this abandoned place actually has resources.

于是我们开始建造雕塑。

So then we start to build sculpture.

我们开始建造像树一样的柱子。

We start to build column like trees.

我当时太天真了。

And I was so naive.

我从来没建过任何东西。

I never build anything.

所以那些柱子建得有点塌了，东西也生锈了等等。

And so the columns were built kind of collapsed, the things rusted and so forth.

我说，哦，好吧，你知道，我们建的东西还不够好。

I said, oh, well, you know, what we did build is not good enough.

让我们问问该怎么正确地建造。

Let's ask how to properly build.

这就是我们最终成为优秀建造者的原因，因为我们有专家来帮助我们。

That's how eventually we became good builders because we have expert builders to help us.

然后因为我们的油漆剥落了。

And then because our paints are peeled off.

于是我说，好吧，我们来做马赛克吧。

And then so I said, well, we do mosaic.

我有个好朋友，马赛克艺术家以赛亚·扎加尔，他教会了我。

My good friend, mosaic artist, Isaiah Zagar, you know, and he taught me.

最终，它变成了一座马赛克雕塑花园。

And eventually, it became a mosaic sculptural garden.

所以，在孩子们、乔乔和不断壮大的社区的帮助下，你把一块被废弃的土地变成了这座雕塑花园。

So you turned, with the help of children and Jojo and a growing community, an abandoned lot of land into this this sculpture garden.

如果有人在网上搜索这些图片，只要在谷歌上搜一下‘费城北部艺术与人文村’就行了。

And if if someone looks at the images of this online, just have to Google, like, the Village Of Arts And Humanities in North Philadelphia.

我的意思是，这个地方变得非常美丽，开始吸引游客。

I mean, this place became beautiful, and it started to attract visitors.

你能讲讲社区里有人跟你分享过的故事吗？关于这个新花园对他们意味着什么。

Tell me a story of how something maybe that someone in that community said to you about what this new garden meant to them.

我意识到，你所看到的只是50%。

My work, I've realized that what you see is only 50%.

另外50%是创作过程。

50% is the process.

通过这个过程，生活发生了转变。

And through the process, life's been transformed.

我经常说，艺术带来的转变是通过环境影响到参与者的灵魂与内心。

I often say that it is from the transformation through art is through environment to the spirit and the heart of the participants.

我最初只和孩子们一起开始，但这个公园不可能只靠孩子们建造。

And I only started with children but the park cannot be built by children.

实际上，真正帮助我建造公园的是社区里那些失业、常常吸毒的人。

Actually the people who helped me to really build the park are the people from the community, jobless, often addicted to drug.

当我们的项目变得更加突出，比如冥想区域时，我们获得了首次国家艺术基金的支持。

Actually, when our parts are becoming more prominent like meditation part, we get a first time national endowment.

我们变得显眼了，于是有人说你不能和你现在的团队合作，因为他们都吸毒。

We are visible and so people say that you cannot work with your current crew because they are all addicted on drug.

有趣的是，当我邀请他们加入时，我并不知道，但人们来了，因为他们有事可做。

And the funny thing is that when I invited them to join, I didn't know, but people came because they have something to do.

这就是建设。

And this is building.

建造本身非常治愈。

Building is very cleansing.

然后一起为他们的社区建造一些美丽的东西。

And then building something beautiful together for their community.

这让人感到深深的满足。

There is just something deeply fulfilling.

所以人们会来，记者来采访，然后他们说这些人全都吸毒。

So people would come, then the reporter came interview, and then they say they were all on drug.

于是我意识到，哦，原来是一支吸毒者团队在帮我。

Then I realized, oh, well, you know, a drug team helping me.

于是人们说你不能雇用他们。

So then people say you cannot hire them.

我说，如果你家里有个人吸毒，你会抛弃他吗？

And I say, well, if your family have a person addicted to drug, do you abandon that person?

你会继续帮助他，对吧？

You continue to help, right?

那些想要帮助我的人，我也希望为他们提供一个机会，让他们参与进来，做这样一件充满成就感的事。

And those people who want to help me, then I want to provide an opportunity for them to step in to do something that fulfilling.

这些就是帮助过我的人。

And so those are the people who helped me.

在这个过程中，我父亲来观察我儿子工作，并告诉我，我儿子现在在工作了。

And through the process I have father came and observed the son working and told me that my son now works.

我为他感到骄傲。

I feel proud of him.

是的。

Yeah.

这太美好了。

That's beautiful.

我的意思是，你之前说这个建筑过程是一种净化的体验。

I mean, this so you you said this building was a cleansing experience.

这是一个非常有力的概念，你知道的。

That's that's such a powerful concept, you know.

我们今天花了太多时间彼此争斗。

So we spend so much time today fighting each other.

但如果你能以某种方式将这种对立转变为共同建设，似乎一切都会改变。

And if you can flip that somehow to building something together, like, seems like everything everything changes.

想想莎士比亚的悲剧。

Think of Shakespeare's tragedy.

那些是

Those are

嗯。

Mhmm.

人性中最令人不快的失败与黑暗特质。

Some of the most unsavouring failure, darkness qualities in human nature.

然而，正是从这些裂缝中，光芒透了进来。

And yet from those cracks, light come through.

如果你能将这种黑暗能量转化为创造能量，如果你能为人们指出一条出路，尊重他们的天赋、创造力，倾听他们，让他们的声音得以发声，并共同协作，创造出属于我们所有人、属于每一个人的作品。

And if you can transform that dark energy into creative energy, if you can show people a way out in honoring their talent, creativity, listening to them, allow their voice to rise and collaborate together to create something that belong to us, to all, to all.

没有什么比这更强大、更有疗愈力了。

Nothing more powerful, more healing than that.

所以这就是阴阳的转化，你知道吗？最黑暗的日子恰恰是我们庆祝圣诞节、迎接光明的时候。

So that's the transformation yin and yang, You know, the most ready for transformation is the darkest darkest day is when we celebrate Christmas, the coming of the light.

整个社区也都参与了这些马赛克的制作吗？

The whole community was involved in doing these mosaics as well?

这具体是怎么运作的？

How did that work?

你有教人们吗？

Did you teach people?

你们是怎么创造出这片广阔的马赛克景观的？

How did you create this vast mosaic landscape?

他们热情高涨，根本不需要教。

They were so enthused, they cannot be taught.

他们只是把自己能做的都放上去。

They just put up whatever they can.

我之所以学会，是因为我非常沮丧，他们没有按照我的设计来做。

And I learned because I was very upset that they didn't do things according to my design.

我说，算了，我要再停下来，把所有东西都刮掉。

And I said, you know, I'm going to stop it again, scrape everything off and so forth.

而生活通过我优秀的志愿者卡罗尔·威斯曼向我传达了信息。

And life spoke to me through my wonderful volunteer, Carol Wiseman.

她当时是PCA艺术学院的研究生。

She was a graduate student at PCA Arts.

她说，莉莉小姐，如果你平静下来，还有什么比这些小手为你瓷砖祝福、为你制作瓷砖更好的呢？

And she said, Miss Lily, if you calm down, and what better would you have other than those little hands blessing your tiles and making your tiles.

我明白了。

And I understood.

于是我任由他们去做任何他们想做的。

So I let them do whatever.

你知道，当你的艺术更加宏大、更有结构时，它就能包容不和谐，并增添动力与丰富性。

You know, when your art, when it's bigger and more structured, it absorb disharmony and it adds fuel and richness.

是的

Yeah.

然后我们变得更好，更有条理了。

And then we get better, we get better organized.

我给你讲个关于一个大人物的故事。

I tell you a story of big man.

我当时在做天使巷，我想做一个埃塞俄比亚风格的天使。

I was doing angel alley, and I want to do Ethiopian angel.

我说，这个天使必须来自非洲，因为这个社区里有很多非裔美国人。

I say it got to be angel from Africa for the people in this community, African American community.

于是我做了八英尺高的埃塞俄比亚风格天使，还画了彩，但我得教课来谋生。

So I made eight foot tall angels, Ethiopian style, and I painted, but I have to teach to earn a living.

所以这个大人物，他吸毒上了二十年的瘾。

So big man, he was addicted to drug for twenty years.

于是他悄悄来到乔乔这里寻求庇护。

And so quietly he came to Jojo for refuge.

于是我教他马赛克艺术。

And so I taught him the mosaic.

我引导他，他说‘在你的线条内’，我把马赛克拼贴在一起，最终，一块一块地，这些破碎的马赛克，他找到了治愈自己的方式。

I guided him with he said within your lines, I put the mosaics together and eventually piece by piece, the broken mosaics, he found a way to heal himself.

他曾以为自己会死在某个阴沟里。

He thought he would die in the gutter somewhere.

最终，他成为了社区里非常知名且最受爱戴的成员。

Eventually he became a very well known and most beloved member in the community.

我们一起合作了十六年。

We worked together for sixteen years.

很多马赛克作品都是他做的，后来在他带领下，他成为了村里的管理主任。

A lot of mosaic is by him, and then under him, he became the village managing director.

他和团队一起工作。

He worked with the crew.

他负责管理团队成员的吸毒问题。

He manages the crew drug problem.

他组织了匿名戒毒会议。

He set up the narcotic anonymous meetings.

我们收集这些故事，把它们改编成戏剧作品。

We collect those stories, we turn them into theater pieces.

他是最受爱戴的人。

And he was the most beloved.

人们前来想和他合影。

People come in want to take pictures with him.

我就问：‘为什么啊，大哥？’

And I said, why big man?

然后我意识到，因为他曾经跌得如此之深。

Then I realized that because he had fallen so deep.

当他重新站起时，他拥有无限的耐心、同情心和理解力，这就是这个过程的力量。

And when he rise up, he had infinite patience, compassion, understanding, and that is the power of the process.

这太惊人了。

This is amazing.

他的名字真的就叫大个子

His his name is big man, like, literally

六英尺八英寸高。

Six foot eight.

詹姆斯·麦克斯顿。

James Maxton.

大个子。

Big man.

哇哦。

So wow.

这真是一个感人至深的故事。

That that is such a moving story.

这让我特别感兴趣，莉莉，关于善意如何产生连锁反应。

And it goes to I'm I'm so interested, Lily, in how ripple effects happen through generosity.

我的意思是，你为这个项目投入了这么多时间。

I mean, you dedicated so much of your time to this project.

我敢说，作为艺术家或教师，你本可以在别处赚更多的钱，但你把时间投入到了这个项目中。

I dare say you could have been earning more money as an artist or as a teacher elsewhere perhaps, but you dedicated your time to this.

渐渐地，你吸引了孩子们参与，随后他们的家人也加入了进来。

And gradually, you involved children, and then their families got engaged.

然后像大个子这样的人也参与进来，改变了那里的生活。

And then people like Big Man got involved, a life there gets transformed.

他和你一起，将这些涟漪效应扩散到整个社区，使这个地方成为费城的热门话题，吸引游客前来参观。

And he then, with you, spreads these ripple effects through the community so that this becomes one of the talking points of Philadelphia, a place that tourists would come to visit.

这多么不可思议啊，一个起初如此不起眼的开端，竟能产生如此深远的影响，真正改变了整座城市？

How incredible is that, that what can start so unpromisingly can create these ripple effects that really make an impact across the city?

我认为这个故事讲述的是费城北部——我是说，城市中心——通常都是被遗弃、压迫和愤怒的地方。

Think the story is the broken places where North Philadelphia, I mean inner city, everywhere is usually a place of abandonment, oppression, anger.

如果你不了解，开车经过这座城市时，你会卷起车窗、锁上车门，充满那种恐惧。

And so if you don't know, you go through the city, you roll up your window, you lock your door, it's that kind of fear.

是的。

Yeah.

但当你真正进入其中，当人们意识到你并不是在剥夺社区的利益，而是在与孩子们一起工作，带来欢乐，你知道的，任何东西。

But when you go into it, when people realize that you are not doing it to take away from the community, but you're working with children and bringing joy, you know, anything.

然后他们看到了从未见过的美，因为我说，我本人其实并没有多少专业知识或财富，但我能带来的是激励我的东西。

And then the beauty they have not seen, because I said, I'm not a person really not with a lot of expertise or wealth, but what I can bring is what inspired me.

那些是中国园林、伊斯兰马赛克、清真寺、非洲建筑，还有绘画，等等。

Those are the Chinese garden, Islamic mosaics, mosque, and African architecture, and the painting, whatever.

我分享了这些，把我受到的启发带了过来。

And I shared that bring my inspiration.

因为这个地方以前没有任何先例，所以我们做的任何事都是被允许的。

And because this place has no precedent, so anything we do is allowed.

前四年我们一直失败。

We failed first four years.

我们成了笑柄，但我们没有放弃。

We were the laughingstock, but we didn't give up.

最终，我们建成了前所未有的独特事物。

And we eventually will build something that is so unique that people have not seen before.

当你来的时候，这里不仅仅是美，更是社区。

And when you come, it's not just the beauty, it's the community.

人们会过来和你聊天。

People come talk to you.

它就像一个大家庭。

It's like a family.

他们会关心彼此的近况。

They ask about each other.

他们热情地欢迎你。

They welcome.

它就像一种自然状态。

It's like a nature.

你有一棵果树，长得又高又大，开花结果，然后鸟儿来了，昆虫也来了，最终形成了一个充满滋养的社区。

You have a fruit tree that grows so big and bear flowers, bear fruit, and then birds came, insects came, eventually it become a nurturing community.

你知道，在这些地方，我们少了很多可以依靠财富和成就来掩饰的东西。

You know, in those places we have less to hide behind the veils of our wealth, our accomplishment.

我们更加赤裸裸了。

We're more naked.

当你真正相遇时，那是心与心的交流。

And when you meet really, it's heart to heart.

没有什么能比得上这个。

Nothing beats that.

最终，我辞去了终身教职，全身心投入到社区建设中。

Eventually, I resigned from my tenure position and then become, you know, full time throwing into community building.

我从村庄中学到的一切，我带到了全世界。

What I learned from the village, I took it all over the world.

我的意思是，很多人可能正处于人生的中途，他们正努力做些艰难的事，但进展不顺。

I mean, so many people are probably, you know, middle of their lives, they're trying to do something hard and it's not going well.

事实上，一些最好的事情确实需要时间来建立。

And the truth is, some of the best things just do take time to build.

确实如此。

They do.

你当时四十多岁，就开始了这个项目。

And you were there in your forties embarking on this project.

做了四年之后，你觉得自己还是个笑柄，但你依然坚持了下来。

After four years of it, you felt you were still a laughingstock, and yet you continued.

就在那一刻，这真是太了不起了。

And so right there, that that's amazing.

我的意思是，每个学者都梦想获得终身教职。

I mean, every academic dreams of tenure.

那才是目标。

That is the goal.

那就是最终目标。

That is the end goal.

你拥有了它，那就成功了。

You have that, and then you're made.

你安稳了。

You're comfortable.

你却放弃了它来从事这项事业。

You turn that down to do this.

太了不起了。

Amazing.

但我想问你一个问题，因为很多人会说，你看一个破败的社区，大多数人会认为，这个社区需要的是对服务、医疗、教育、住房、环境美化等方面的投入，我的意思是，这些才是奢侈品。

But I wanted to ask you a question, because a lot of people would say, you know, you look at a beaten up community, most people would say, what this community need are investment in, you know, in services, and in healthcare, and in education, housing, beauty, I mean, come on, that's a luxury.

你为什么要投资于这些呢？

Why would you invest in that?

你会怎么回应这种观点？

What would you say to that?

问题。

Question.

我认为人际关系，我们追求的不是表面的，而是深层的联结。

I think human relationship, we look for not superficially, but the bound, the depth.

所以一开始我所经历的是，你知道的，我谁也不认识。

So what I experienced at the beginning, you know, whatever, I didn't know anybody.

所以我们进来时，人人平等。

And so we just come in, we all equal.

每个人都尽自己所能贡献力量。

Everyone contribute what they can.

然后我们有了一个愿景。

And then we have a vision.

起初我们并不清楚，但希望打造一个能让人们感到快乐的公园。

We didn't know, but we want to build a park that people can be happy there.

随着我们不断进步，我们的愿景也变得更加美好。

And the vision form as we get better, our vision become more beautiful.

那么，什么是美？

And what is beauty?

美不是外在的。

It is not external.

美不是你能拥有的物质价值。

It is not the value that you can own.