第859期：与蒂姆问答——即将到来的AI海啸、构建离线优势、书籍推荐、识别致幻剂的危险信号、勇气作为可习得的技能等

我给几个人发了短信讨论这个问题，因为这将成为未来人们面临的一个巨大、巨大、超级、根本性的问题，并且我认为它会越来越普遍。

Texted a couple of people about this because they're actually this is gonna be a huge, huge, mega, meta problem for people moving forward, and it's going to increasingly, I think, be pervasive.

人们会开始思考自己接下来该做什么，而这反过来会影响技能提升的方向。

People are going to wonder what they should do next, right, which then informs kind of upskilling.

后面还有一个问题，所以我干脆在这里一并探讨一下，关于吉姆·柯林斯那期节目中提到的编码问题。

And there's a later question, so I might as well explore it here related to encodings in the Jim Collins episode question around encodings.

我可能会回头再谈这个。

I might come back to that.

但总之，一些性格测试，比如九型人格、优势识别器等，实际上非常有帮助。

But suffice to say, some of these personality tests and things like Enneagram are actually very helpful and things like StrengthsFinder and so on.

我参与了两家初创公司，因为我通过贝基提出的这类问题意识到，它们就像煤矿中的预警信号。

And there are two startups I'm involved with because I recognize just through questions like this from Becky, which are kind of the canary in the coal mine.

这其实并不是煤矿里的金丝雀。

It's not really a canary in a coal mine.

更像是，一开始只有一丝低语，接着变成十声、百声，现在已变成千声。

It's like there was one whisper, now there are 10, then there were a 100, now there are a thousand.

对吧？

Right?

这个问题正变得越来越频繁。

This question is coming up more and more.

许多人将不得不以这样或那样的方式调整方向，即使他们现在可能还没有预料到。

And a lot of folks are going to, in one way or another, need to zig and zag even though they might not expect it right now.

这其中很大一部分原因将是人工智能导致的岗位替代。

And a lot of that's gonna be due to AI job displacement.

所以这两家初创公司，我再次说明，我是这些公司的投资者，因此我有偏见。

So the two startups that and, again, I mentioned that I'm an investor in these, so I'm biased.

但我投资这些公司的原因是为了回答这个问题，或者更具体地说，是为了帮助人们解答这个问题。

But the reason that I invested in these is to answer this question or more specifically to help people answer this question.

第一家叫做Apt，拼写是a-p-t，你可以访问triapt.ai了解更多信息。

So the first one is called Apt, a p t, and you can check that out at triapt.ai.

所以是triapt，tryapt,.ai。

So triapt, tryapt,.ai.

我让联合创始人兼首席执行官创建了一个代码。

I had the cofounder and the CEO create a code.

所以，如果你们中有任何人想试试，最终获取所有结果以及获得这种围绕你的优势进行AI指导的导师是需要花钱的，而这些优势是通过完成这个过程发现或发掘出来的。

So if any of you guys wanna try it, ultimately, it does cost money to get all the results and to get this sort of AI guided mentor around your strengths and so on, which you discover or uncover through the process of going through this.

但你可以使用代码 Tim50 享受五折优惠。

But you can get 50% off with Tim 50.

这个代码是 t I m five zero。

That's the code to use, t I m five zero.

好的。

Alright.

所以如果你想了解一下，可以去查看一下。

So if you wanna take a look at that, you can check it out.

另一个是 Oboe，网址是 oboe.com，它完全专注于加速技能获取和学习。

The other is Oboe, so oboe.com, and that is entirely focused on accelerating skill acquisition and learning.

我认为这两个产品实际上配合得非常好。

So I think these two actually go together really well.

你可以先用 apt，然后再用 oboe，我两者都试过。

You could use apt first and then oboe, and I've played around with both.

这两个平台都会陆续推出很多新内容，但值得去看看。

There's a lot that's gonna be coming into both of these, but might be worth checking out.

说实话，如果我要你去买《你的降落伞是什么颜色》这类书，你或许能从中获得一些启发，但我认为在技术飞速变化的动态时代，你可能更需要一种从一开始就更动态、更个性化的工具，而不是被迫去大量投入精力适应一个固定不变的模式。

Honestly, if I were to tell you to go buy what color is my parachute or something, you might glean something from that, but I feel like in very dynamic times with so much shifting sand with respect to technology, you probably need something a bit more or benefit from something that is more dynamic and personalized from the get go as opposed to you having to do lots and lots of heavy lifting with a fixed format.

所以这就是我的建议，Becky，一定要告诉我你的想法，因为如果有什么地方出问题了，或者你特别喜欢或讨厌什么，这些都可以改进。

So that's what I would say, Becky, and definitely let me know what you think because if something's broken or if you love something or you hate something, all that stuff can get fixed.

好的。

Alright.

下一个。

Next one.

这是来自 Jeff 的问题，我们会做一些实时问答。

This is from Jeff, and we will do some live questions.

这些酮体确实起作用了，这很好，因为现在是下午四点，我不想再摄入任何咖啡因。

These ketones are actually doing something, which is good because it's 4PM, and I don't wanna have any caffeine.

是的

Yeah.

幸运的是，它尝起来不像航空燃油。

Fortunately, it doesn't taste too much like jet fuel.

我再回答一个杰夫的问题。

Let me do one more Jeff.

好的。

Okay.

这是问题。

This is the question.

你曾涉足书籍、播客和实验，每一种都吸引了各自独立的社群。

You've worked across books, podcasts, and experiments that each attracted their own communities.

关于主动塑造社群文化，而不仅仅是扩大受众，你学到了什么？

What have you learned about proactively shaping a community's culture, not just growing an audience?

与人们的直接互动，如何改变了你如今进入创作心流的方式？

And how has direct interaction with people changed the way you enter creative flow today?

最后一部分可能是最难回答的，但我可以告诉你，我认为主动塑造社区文化实际上有助于你建立受众。

The last piece is probably the hardest answer, but I can tell you that I think that proactively shaping a community's culture actually helps you to build an audience.

但目的是什么呢？

But to what end?

对吧？

Right?

不是那种追求200万、300万、1000万YouTube订阅者的受众建设。

Not build an audience like, oh, I'm aiming for 2,000,000, 3,000,000, 10,000,000 YouTube subscribers.

我不喜欢那种依赖算法的‘租用’受众的方式。

I don't like renting audience in a way that's dependent on algorithms.

对吧？

Right?

你可以看看很多最大的YouTube频道。

And you can look at a lot of the biggest YouTube channels.

尽管它们拥有庞大的订阅者数量，但每条视频的平均观看量却大幅下滑。

It's like their average views per video have cratered even though they have huge numbers of subscribers.

你在X平台和其他地方都能看到这种参与度现象。

You see that with engagement on x and other places.

然而，永远不过时的一件事是凯文·凯利提出的‘一千个铁杆粉丝’。

However, one thing that never goes out of style is 1,000 true fans by Kevin Kelly.

你可以免费阅读这篇内容，网址是@kk.org。

You can read it for free @kk.org.

因此，我会专注于主动塑造社区的文化。

And therefore, I will focus on the proactively shaping a community's culture.

就我而言，我觉得这很简单。

In my case, I think it's pretty simple.

我把一个封闭的社区当作是在我家举办的晚宴。

I treat a closed community like I would a dinner party at my house.

所以，当有人走进我家时。

So somebody walks into my house.

这是一个脱鞋的家。

This is a shoes free house.

对吧？

Right?

因为谁会想要狗屎和口香糖粘在厨房地板上呢？

Because who wants, like, dog shit and bubble gum on your kitchen floor?

我不想要。

I don't.

所以进门时要把鞋脱掉。

So the shoes come off at the door.

对吧？

Right?

假设有人进来，不行。

So let's say somebody comes in there, no.

我要穿着靴子。

I'm keeping my boots on.

他们一进来，就把泥巴到处带。

They come in, tracking mud all over the place.

他们坐在餐桌旁。

They sit down at the dinner table.

他们把脚翘到桌子上，开始骂别人是混蛋之类的话。

They kick their feet up on the table and start calling people assholes or something.

这样的人会被揪着头发拖出去，而且再也不会回来。

Like, that person's gonna get dragged by their hair out, and then they're never coming back in.

所以这可能有点夸张了。

So that's a bit of an maybe a melodramatic example.

但对破窗效应采取零容忍政策。

But zero tolerance policy for broken windows.

对吧？

Right?

你知道吗，马尔科姆·格拉德威尔等人写过这个，但当这些轻微违规行为被允许时，我要用一个科技圈喜欢的术语——奥弗顿窗口，即现在被接受的行为范围会随之扩大。

You know, Malcolm Gladwell and others have written about this, but it's like when these minor infractions are permitted, I'm gonna pull out a fancy term that tech people like, the Overton window, the broadness of what is now allowable behavior shifts.

明白吗？

Okay?

或者我不该说‘shift’。

Or I shouldn't say shift.

这他妈就是一个窗户。

It's a it's a fucking window.

它不应该变宽或变窄，而是向更激进的行为方向移动。

It's not supposed to get wider or shorter, but it moves in a more aggressive behavioral direction.

对吧？

Right?

如果你允许轻微违规，就会出现中等违规。

So if you allow minor infractions, you're gonna get moderate infractions.

你允许这些，就会出现严重违规。

You allow those, you're gonna get major infractions.

所以从博客刚成立的第一天起，评论区就有规定，还记得福尼吗？

So from the very first days of, say, the blog, the comments section has guidelines, and it's like, remember the Fonzie?

我们要很酷。

We're gonna be cool.

就像那样。

Like that.

比如，如果你是个混蛋，我们会把你踢出去并拉黑。

Like, if you're an asshole, we're gonna boot you and blacklist you.

你可以批评我，但别对别人耍横。

And you can criticize me, but don't be a dick to other people.

如果你这样，你就被赶走了。

And if you are, you're gone.

好的。

Okay.

这是零容忍，你必须严格执行。

It's zero tolerance, and you have to enforce that.

如果你不这么做，人们会很狡猾。

If you don't, people are crafty.

他们会学会如何操纵你，因为你如果不执行自己的规则，就是在主动让人欺负。

They'll they'll learn how to manipulate you because you are asking to be at least abused by not enforcing your own rules.

所以这是第一条。

So that's the first one.

这就像是必须切除癌症、清除毒素。

It's just like you have to excise the cancers and remove the poison.

你必须这么做，因为如今整个互联网的默认状态就是喧闹、无礼、糟糕，这正是因为社交媒体平台的各种游戏化机制纵容和鼓励了这种行为。

You just have to because the default state of pretty much the entire Internet now because it's been allowed and encouraged through various gamifications on social platforms is just being loud, obnoxious, awful.

所以你必须制定规则来对抗这种趋势。

So you have to set rules to to countervail that.

另外，杰夫，我认为你也有过这种经历：如果你有一个由一百人、两百人或五十人组成的私密社区，收取每季度五美元的费用。

Also, and, Jeff, I think you've experienced this, if you have a private community of a 100 people or 200 people or 50, doesn't really matter, and you charge $5 a quarter.

每年五美元，其实也无所谓。

$5 a year, doesn't really matter.

但只要你设置一个非常低的费用，愿意付费加入的人通常都希望有所贡献，并身处一个积极的环境中。

But if you have some very nominal cost, people opt in who generally want to contribute and be in an environment of positivity.

这通常是我的经验。

That's my experience, generally.

所以，在入口处设置一个非常非常低的费用，我认为非常有帮助。

So having some very, very nominal fee at the door, I think, is incredibly helpful.

你在活动中也会发现同样的情况。

And you find that also with events.

我举办过很多线下活动。

I've done plenty of live events.

现在因为各种原因我不太做了，但过去我经常会举办一些线下活动，比如新书发布会，规模在100人或200人左右。

Don't really do them anymore for a lot of reasons, but very, very rarely in the past, I would throw these live events for, like, you know, book launch parties, 100 people, 200.

如果人们只是 RSVP 参加活动，你的缺席率或爽约率会非常高。

If people can RSVP to an event, your abandonment rate or no show rate is going to be sky high.

如果你强制他们支付1美元来保留座位，爽约率会骤降至个位数。

If you force them to pay $1 to hold their spot, suddenly the no show rate goes down to low single digits.

所以我认为这里没有什么高深的学问，但困难在于是否愿意严格执行。

So I don't think there's any rocket science here, but the tough part is being willing to enforce.

也许你可以实行两次违规就出局的政策，但说实话，我发现这种做法可能会蔓延开来。

And maybe you give someone a two strikes you're out policy, but frankly, I find that that can metastasize.

比如，我有一只可爱的狗，两个月前还是只流浪狗，我收养了她，她非常聪明。

For instance, I have a lovely dog, was a stray two months ago, adopted her, and she's really smart.

她似乎是安纳托利亚牧羊犬的混血。

She's part Anatolian shepherd, it would seem.

如果她发现，比如，她可以让我和我的伴侣互相牵制，而且她不需要在第一次就坐下，直到第三次才听，那她就不会听前两次。

And if she realizes, for instance, that she can kind of pit me against my partner and that she doesn't actually have to listen to sit until the third time, she's not gonna listen to the first two.

她会 defiantly 地盯着你，然后在第三次才坐下。

She'll just stare at you defiantly and then sit the third time.

人类也是这样。

Humans are the same way.

他们也会这么做。

They'll do that too.

如果他们知道有两次机会，你就会遇到更多不良行为，因为他们知道可以侥幸一次。

If they know they have two strikes, you're gonna get more bad behavior because they know they can get away with it once.

好的。

Alright.

所以就是这样。

So there you go.

我们还有很多问题，但让我们连线一些实时提问。

And let's go to we've got plenty more questions, but let's go live to some live questions.

抱歉聊天里内容太多了，我得处理一下，哦，是的。

And I apologize that there's so much in the chat, so I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to oh, yeah.

皇冠代表铁粉。

The crown means top fans.

好的。

Alright.

谢谢。

Well, thank you.

谢谢，铁粉。

Thank you, top fan.

哦，看这个。

Oh, look at that.

我们来回答一些实时问题，我来试试看。

Let's throw out some live questions, and I'll give it a shot.

如果你已经提问过了，请再发一次，因为我没法往上滚动查看成百上千条消息。

If you already posted one, please post again because I can't scroll up and go through hundreds and hundreds and hundreds.

最喜欢的颜色，就是那边的绿色。

Favorite color, green right there.

具体来说，就像八月上午11点的阳光透过枫树叶洒下的那种光线颜色。

Specifically, it's like the color of late morning light, like 11AM sunlight around August coming through maple leaves.

那就是那种半透明的绿色。

That is the color, the sort of, like, translucent green.

好的。

Alright.

Varlata的未来。

Future of Varlata.

好的。

Okay.

对于还不了解的人。

For those who don't know.

还有，郊狼。

Also, coyote.

郊狼的表现一直非常好。

Coyote is is continues to do really well.

我觉得到目前为止，我已经完成了自己能为郊狼做的大部分事情，它现在处于稳定状态。

I feel like I have done mostly what I can do with coyote at this point, and it's sort of in steady state.

我的意思是，亚马逊和其他地方的评价都非常好。

I mean, the reviews on Amazon and elsewhere are great.

它通过分销渠道的销售情况依然很好。

It continues to sell well through the distribution channels.

如果回过头来看，我真希望当初能更专注于尽管有很多成年人喜欢它，但重点放在至少有一两个八到十五岁孩子的家庭上。

I wish in retrospect earlier on I had really focused on even though there are plenty of adults who enjoy it, focusing on families that have at least one or two kids in that sort of eight to 15 range.

那样或许能更快实现起飞，但 hindsight 2020。

And that would have helped with escape velocity sooner, but hindsight 2020.

我对它最终呈现的效果非常非常满意。

I'm really, really happy with with how it's turned out.

然后是Varlata，老实说，自从AI工具变得足够好之后，大约六个月前，我计划为一个剧本制作一部电影预告片。

And then Varlata, honestly, now that the AI tools are getting good enough, about six months ago, I was planning on creating a movie trailer for effectively a script.

我脑子里已经完全构思好了整个故事，聚焦在蒂罗尔地区。

I've got the whole thing in my head focused on Tyrolean.

如果有人不知道，这就是Cockpunch的传说。

If anyone this is the legend of Cockpunch.

现在，出于明显的原因，我会更倾向于讲述Varlata的传说，但重点放在Ty和他父亲之间的关系，以及随之而来的各种疯狂事端。

Now I think I will, for obvious reasons, lean towards legends of Varlata, but focusing on the relationship between Ty and his father and all sorts of craziness that ensues.

我脑子里已经有一个完整的电影剧本，还有一些概念图，这些图是我请过一些顶级的《万智牌》和《龙与地下城》艺术家绘制的，但我还没真正着手做任何事。

So I've got like a whole movie script in my head and concept art that I haven't really done anything with from some of the top magic, the gathering, and D and D artists you can imagine.

我们走着瞧吧。

So we'll see.

我们走着瞧吧。

We'll see.

这个夏天我可以花点时间玩玩这个。

I could see screwing around with that this summer.

是的。

Yes.

感谢杰夫让CP社区保持活跃。

Shout out to Jeff for keeping the, CP community humming.

我也很乐意在那里花些时间。

Happy to spend some time there as well.

如果只能从你身后书架上的书里选一本，你会希望我们这个群里的每个人都深入研读哪一本？

If I could only pick from the books on the shelves behind you, what book would you want everyone in this group to deep dive into or dive deep into?

我的意思是，我把那些书放在上面是有原因的。

I mean, I have those books up there for a reason.

我有成千上万本书。

I have thousands of books.

我已经捐掉了大部分。

I've donated most of them.

这些是我留下来自己看的。

These are the ones I keep up for me to look at.

给我一秒钟。

Give me a second.

我告诉你。

I'll tell you.

我会给出一些可能让有些人不满意的意见。

I'm gonna give answers that may not be satisfying to some folks.

没关系。

That's okay.

我会给你一个你或许能预料到的答案。

I'll give you one that I suppose you might expect from me.

其中一个就是彼得·德鲁克的《有效的管理者》。

So one is gonna be the effective executive from Peter Drucker.

经典、古老、篇幅短小，却极具价值。

Classic, old, short, incredible bang for the buck.

然而，其他书籍，我想说的是，在人工智能时代，去做一些更有趣的事情。

However, the other books, I would say, again, talking about what you do in a world of AI, do more interesting things.

那边有一本书叫《狼与人》，作者是巴里·洛佩兹，我相信他凭借另一本书《北极梦》获得了布克奖或普利策奖。

There's a book back there called Of Wolves and Men by Barry Lopez, who won, I believe it was the Booker or Pulitzer Prize for another of his books called Arctic Dreams.

《狼与人》是我读过的最好的非虚构作品之一，它彻底打破了传统模式。

Of Wolves and Men is one of the best nonfiction books I've ever read, and it really shattered the mold.

它重新定义了我们不妨称之为非虚构自然写作的可能性。

It redefined what, let's just call it, nonfiction nature writing could be.

这真是一本非凡至极的书。

It's just an incredible, incredible book.

所以这是一本，但再次强调，这是你自己的冒险选择。

So there's one, but, again, this is choose your own adventure.

自己挑选吧。

Pick and choose.

约翰·斯坦贝克的《与查理同行》，我之前提到过，非常幽默。

Travels with Charlie by John Steinbeck, I mentioned it earlier, is hilarious.

还有，这是一本极其准确且引人入胜的美国全景实录，毫不掩饰其缺点。

Also, an incredibly accurate and enjoyable warts and all ride through The US.

真是个古怪又奇葩的国家。

What a quirky, weird ass country.

所以这是另一本。

So that's another one.

读起来很快。

Pretty fast read.

那边还有整整一排书是关于动物追踪之类的，但我对其中大部分内容不感兴趣。

Then there are entire shelves back there related to animal tracking and so on, except on a bunch of that.

我认为你们大多数人没必要花太多时间在这上面。

I don't think most of you should probably spend a lot of time on that.

如果你还没读过，我来简化一下书名。

If you haven't read I'll simplify the title here.

爱丽丝梦游仙境。

Alice in Wonderland.

你应该去读一读《爱丽丝梦游仙境》。

You should go read Alice in Wonderland.

读完整的书，不要只看其中的引用。

Read the whole thing, not just quotes from it.

我那里有一本收藏版。

I have a collector's edition back there.

还有几本，其实我本来打算提一下，作为你们提交的问题或答案的回应。

And then there are a few, actually, that I was gonna mention for one of the questions you guys submitted or as an answer.

二八法则，理查德·科赫。

The eighty twenty principle, Richard Koch.

这本书永远不过时。

That just never gets old.

真的永远不会过时。

Just does not get old.

他还有另一本书叫《践行二八法则》。

And there's another book of his up there called living the eighty twenty principle.

这可能是践行八二法则的方式，但他确实身体力行。

It might be living the eighty twenty way, but he really walks the talk.

如果你还没听过我与理查德·科赫（Koch）的播客，他也是我见过的最出色的投资者之一。

And if you haven't heard my podcast with Richard Koch, k o c h, he's also one of the best investors I've ever met.

我的意思是，我不知道他是否公开过具体的金额。

I mean, he's had I don't know if he's disclosed the actual amount.

我认识很多世界顶尖的投资者，而他默默无闻地位居顶尖行列。

I know a lot of the world's best investors, and he is quietly way up there in the pantheon.

所以，他也是一个实践者。

So also a practitioner.

他亲临现场，因此非常值得留意。

He's on the field, so worth paying attention to him.

在我去过的所有地方中，哪些最令人叹为观止？

Of all the places I've traveled to, which have been the most breathtaking?

太多了。

There's so many.

我的意思是，新西兰的皇后镇如果在对的季节，我觉得简直不可思议，但你随便说个地方。

I mean, Queenstown, New Zealand at the right time of year, I think, is incredible, but you name it.

我认为纽约州北部，尤其是盖克斯和整个区域，那里是最后一批波贡人、书迷的聚集地，确实如此。

I think Upstate New York, honestly, the gunks and that entire region where a lot of the last of the bogeons, the book, certainly.

我不知道电影拍摄的事，但那个故事就发生在这个区域。

I don't know what about the filming of the movie, but that takes place in that region.

你随便把我丢到哪儿都行。

You can kinda put me anywhere.

我的意思是，我觉得太多地方都美得令人惊叹了。

I mean, I just I think so many places are beautiful.

去上几节绘画课吧。

Take a couple of drawing classes.

这会让整体体验变得更加美好，比如速写课。

That makes things much more beautiful overall, like gesture drawing classes.

找些真人写生。

Get some live notes.

保持有趣。

Keep it interesting.

我的意思是，你可能会遇到一个肥胖的家伙，浑身都是脂肪。

I mean, you you may get an obese dude with his Schwanns all over the place.

所以让你知道，这不会自动变成维多利亚的秘密模特，但没关系。

So just so you know, it's not automatically gonna be a Victoria's Secret model, but that's okay.

我不可能每次都赢。

I can't win them all.

我打算回到预先提交的问题，然后再回到实时互动。

I'm gonna go back to the presubmitted questions here, and then I'll come back to live.

想想你想要问什么问题，然后回来提。

So think about what questions you wanna ask and come back to that.

好的。

Alright.

这是来自希尔卡的。

This is from Hilca.

我会简短一点，因为

I'll abbreviate a bit because

这个问题很长。

this was a long question.

我只讲第一部分。

I'm only gonna hit the the first part here.

我是一个自筹资金的创始人，Replitz即将在下周飞往旧金山，进行几天的网络推介以获取收入。

But I'm a bootstrap founder and Replitz raised revenue flying into San Francisco next week to pitch a network for a few days.

如果你处于我的位置，想在这次短暂的行程中最大化长期收益，你会在会前、会中和会后具体做些什么？

If you were in my shoes and wanted to squeeze the maximum long term leverage out of that short trip, what specific things would you do before, during, and after the event?

一是进行正确的对话，二是将这些对话转化为真正的机遇，而不仅仅是精彩的闲聊。

To, one, have the right conversations, and two, turn them into real opportunities rather than just great chats.

好的。

Okay.

另外，最近你的自筹资金模式与风险投资模式在科技软件领域有何变化？

Bonus, how has your bootstrapped versus VC changed lately for tech software?

我的意思是，我认为开发软件的成本正在变得越来越低。

I mean, I think it's just getting cheaper and cheaper to make software.

所以我认为我们会看到大量自筹资金的初创公司。

So I think we're gonna see a lot of self funded startups.

我的意思是，好消息是，技术和经济上的进入门槛都低了很多。

I mean, good news, barrier to entry technically, also economically is much lower.

坏消息是，获得关注并真正让用户使用你的产品，其难度前所未有地高。

Bad news, the barrier to attention and actually getting people to use your stuff has never been higher.

所以确实存在这种情况，但我确实认为，除非出现少数几个所谓的‘神’——即吞噬一切的超级智能AI，否则我们将看到大量自筹资金的创业公司。

So there is that, but I I do think that we're gonna see huge self funded bootstrap companies, assuming that there aren't just a few gods, aka superintelligence AI beasts that eat everything.

但回到你关于人脉网络的问题，这一点现在也从未如此真实。

But coming back to your question about network, this has also never been more true.

我认为现实中的人际互动才是关键。

I think in real life wins.

其他所有方式都太拥挤了。

Everything else is too crowded.

所以我做过一场演讲。

So there is a talk I gave.

我认为没有视频。

I don't think there's any video.

说实话，你根本不需要视频，但我确实在西南偏南大会上做过一场演讲。

Do you don't need video, frankly, but there was a talk I gave at South by Southwest.

我们会在节目笔记中附上这个链接。

We'll link to this in the show notes.

但如果你搜索我的名字加上‘如何在短时间内建立世界级人脉’，这个内容就会出现。

But if you search my name and how to build a world class network in record time, this will pop up.

这是我七年前或十年前在西南偏南大会上做的演讲，描述了我2007年在西南偏南大会上推广《四小时工作周》时的具体做法。

This is a talk I gave, who knows, seven years ago, ten years ago at South by Southwest describing exactly what I did at South by Southwest 2007 when I launched the four hour workweek.

那本书的推广和营销预算，全部花在了几趟旅行上，我记得是去了Web Summit，也许是某个博览会、博客博览会，然后是西南偏南大会。

And my entire budget for that book for launch and marketing and so on was spent on a few trips to, I think it was Web Summit, maybe something expo, blog expo, and then South by Southwest.

其中描述了一种方法，我认为非常非常有效，但无论我讲多少次，人们还是不照着做，这让我一直感到惊讶。

And there's an approach described in that that I think is very, very effective, and it's still surprising to me no matter how many times I talk about certain things, people just don't follow it.

你知道吧？

You know?

如果我跟人说，嘿。

If I'm like, hey.

如果我想推销某个山寨币，说它要飞上天了，人们立刻就会买。

If I wanted to shill some shitcoin and be like, it's going to the moon, right, people would buy it immediately.

但我只是说，嘿。

But I'm like, hey.

这是这么一件事。

Here's this thing.

这其实需要深入思考和周密规划，但从长远来看，它比那些每天花十小时玩的 hustle 文化垃圾——比如三张牌蒙人——有效得多。

It actually takes some hard thinking, and you need to plan for it, but it's so much more effective long term than all of this hustle culture bullshit, like, three card Monty that you wanna do, you know, every day for ten hours.

前期的投入真的非常重要。

It's like the upfront stuff really matters a lot.

在这种情况下，我强烈推荐这场演讲：如何在极短时间内建立世界级人脉网络。

In this case, I really recommend this talk, how to build a world class network in record time.

这听起来像是YouTube的点击诱饵，但其实是真的。

And that sounds like YouTube clickbait, but it's actually true.

很多至今仍是我朋友的朋友，都是2007年西南偏南大会结识的，我当时还飞去参加了其中几场活动。

A lot of friends who are still friends of mine almost twenty years later came from South by Southwest two thousand seven, and a couple of those events I flew to.

这些互动并不是纯粹的交易性质，而且确实有一种方法可以应对。

These were not just transactional interactions, and there is a way to approach this.

对吧？

Right?

你绝对需要提前研究所有会议和与会者。

You definitely need to study any sessions and attendees beforehand.

好消息是，好消息，坏消息是，只要你进行正确的对话，你就无需担心。

The good news is good news, bad news is that have the right conversations, you don't need to worry about.

你根本不知道该如何进行正确的对话。

You have no idea how to have the right conversations.

你的目标是结识那些在各自领域堪称世界级、且与你志趣相投的人，也就是说，你们真的能相处得来。

Your goal is to meet people who are hopefully world class at what they do, simpatico with you, meaning you guys will actually get along.

可能是课外兴趣或业余爱好。

Could be extracurricular interests, side hobbies.

也可能是你们两人性格上的契合。

It could just be the way the two of you are programmed.

还有一些通用策略，比如与小组讨论的主持人交谈，而不是找演讲者。

And there are other kind of general strategies like talking to moderators of panels instead of the panelists.

大家都一窝蜂地围住演讲者。

Everybody floods the panelists.

主持人却被冷落了，而在很多情况下，主持人同样令人印象深刻。

The moderator gets orphaned, and in many cases, the moderator is just as impressive.

而且，主持人肯定认识所有演讲者，以及许多其他小组的与会者。

And, certainly, the moderator knows everybody on the panel and lots of people on other panels and everywhere else.

所以这里有几点建议，我建议你去了解一下。

So there are a couple of tips in that that I would, suggest checking out.

只是简单地感谢一下

Just a quick thanks to

感谢我们的赞助商，马上回来继续节目。

one of our sponsors, and we'll be right back to the show.

早在2004年左右，有个人在咖啡馆里找到我，说：‘你好啊，伙计’，然后向我自我介绍。

Back in the day, this was 2004 maybe, I had someone approach me in a coffee shop and say, good day, mate, and introduce himself.

那人是谁？

Who was that?

没想到，他居然是AG1的创始人，早在那时候就出现了。

It turned out to be the founder of AG1, believe it or not, way back in the day.

人们经常问我，在二十多年测试了无数种补充剂之后，还有什么保留了下来？

And people often ask me, what has survived after twenty plus years of testing every supplement under the sun?

几乎都淘汰了。

Just about.

真正一直留在我的日常使用清单和工具箱里的，有哪些？

What actually has stayed in the rotation, in the toolbox?

本集的赞助商AG1，就在这份极短的名单顶端。

This episode sponsor, AG one, is at the top of that very, very short list.

我大约十五年前就开始使用它了，那时候它还叫Athletic Greens。

I started using it close to fifteen years ago when it was still called Athletic Greens.

我把它写进了《四小时身体》里，当时并没有人付钱让我推荐，但它比我试过的几乎所有其他产品都更持久。

I put it in the four hour body, didn't get paid to put it in there, and it's outlasted almost everything else that I've tried.

一勺就能满足你的营养基础需求。

One scoop covers your nutritional bases.

对吧？

Right?

填补营养缺口。

Fills the gaps.

当然，你希望吃健康的食物，但其中含有75种以上的成分，包括益生菌、B族维生素和全食物营养素，在我看来，这相当于非常便宜的营养保险。

You wanna eat good food, of course, but 75 plus ingredients, including probiotics, b vitamins, and whole food nutrients act as, in my opinion, pretty cheap nutritional insurance.

我每天早上起床后第一件事就是用冷水冲服。

I take it first thing every morning with cold water.

到现在，这已经像刷牙一样成了自动习惯。

And at this point, it's automatic like brushing my teeth.

如果你正在寻找一个简单的日常习惯来支持肠道健康并填补常见的营养缺口，我会从这里开始。

If you're looking for one simple daily habit that supports gut health and fills common nutrient gaps, this is where I'd start.

目前，新订阅AG1的用户可获得一份价值87美元的欢迎礼包，包括AG1和AGZ旅行装。

Right now, new subscribers to AG1 get a free welcome kit worth $87, including AG one and AGZ travel packs.

这是为睡眠准备的。

That's for sleep.

它实际上非常好。

It's actually great.

还有维生素D3加K2。

And vitamin d three plus k two.

所以这是一大堆价值87美元的免费赠品。

So that's a whole bunch of free stuff worth $87.

所以去了解一下吧。

So check it out.

去看看吧。

Take a look.

访问 drinkag1.com/tim，这是数字一。

Visit drinkag1.com/tim, and that's the number one.

再次访问 drinkagnumber1.com/tim 来了解详情。

So drinkagnumber1.com/tim to check it out one more time.

就是 drinkag1.com/tim。

That's drinkag1.com/tim.

好的。

Alright.

下一个问题是来自亚历克斯的。

Next question's from Alex.

我的公司正在快速增长。

My company is growing quickly.

为了达到逃逸速度并能够招聘高层管理人员，我需要做很多事情。

There are a lot of things that I need to be doing to hit escape velocity and be able to hire to manage at the top.

我认为是管理。

I think that's manage.

这里写的是'mange'，但我猜你并不想得疥疮。

It says mange, but I assume you don't want mange.

我该如何选择不做哪些事？

How do I choose what not to do?

好的。

Alright.

好消息是，我们已经讨论过几个了。

Well, the good news is we already talked about a couple.

二八法则，理查德·科赫，我建议你读一读。

So eighty twenty principle, Richard Koch, I would read that.

《有效的执行者》，一定要读。

The effective executive, absolutely read that.

这会为你提供清晰的框架，帮助你更好地判断该做什么、不该做什么。

And it's really gonna give you frameworks for better discerning yourself, what to do and not do.

另外，根据公司当前的规模和目标，尤其是如果是风险投资支持的公司，我建议读一本叫《高增长手册》的书，作者是埃拉德·吉尔（Elad Gil）。

The other, depending on the current scope and scale of the company and then the ambitions, especially if it's venture backed, is to read a book called the high growth handbook by Elad Gil, e l a d g I l.

可以说，他是过去几十年中最优秀的天使投资人之一。

Arguably, one of the best, certainly, angel investors of the last few decades.

我的意思是，他的投资成功率简直不可思议。

I mean, his hit rate is absolutely insane.

他至少投资了40家独角兽公司。

He's invested in at least 40 unicorns.

他本人也是一位杰出的创始人和管理者。

Also a tremendous founder and operator in his own right.

你可以去了解一下他。

You can check him out.

除了以上所有，他还拥有非常出色的生物学背景。

Has a pretty wicked biology background on top of everything else.

所以这些是我能想到的几个。

So those are a few that come to mind.

最后但同样重要的是，我很久没读过《蓝海战略》了，但可能还是值得一看。

And then maybe last but not least, it's been a long time since I read it, but the Blue Ocean strategy, probably worth checking out.

因为如果你选择在一个拥挤的品类中竞争，你前方的路会艰难得多。

Because if you choose to compete in a crowded category, you just have a harder road ahead of you.

所以，某种程度上，创造一个独一无二的品类，就像当年太阳马戏团所做的那样。

So creating a category of one in a sense, much like Cirque du Soleil did back in the day.

我猜你不会去接触东欧的杂技演员，但你应该明白我的意思。

I'm expecting you're not dealing with Eastern European acrobats, but you get the idea.

好的。

Alright.

我们来看一下。

Let's take a look.

这是来自JC的。

This is from JC.

在探索躯体或致幻疗法领域时，你会使用哪些具体的问题或观察来快速区分一位专业、稳重的实践者和一个自恋的灵性导师？

When exploring somatic or psychedelic healing spaces, what specific questions or observations do you use to quickly distinguish between a highly competent, grounded practitioner and a narcissistic guru?

很难。

Tough.

那里有很多优秀的演员。

A lot of good actors out there.

首先想到的是，当然，所有这些事情都伴随着常见的注意事项，它们威力巨大。

The first thing that comes to mind and obviously with all the usual caveats, these things are powerful.

你确实可能让自己陷入不稳定状态。

You can definitely destabilize yourself.

它们在大多数地方都是非法的，等等。

They're illegal in most places, etcetera.

所以不要触犯法律。

So don't break any laws.

咨询你的医生。

Talk to your doctor.

诸如此类的话。

Blah blah blah.

但你可以询问从业者，或者问问那些经历过两次旅程后突然开始像救世主一样四处传教的人，你可以向他们提出同样的问题。

But you could ask practitioners or you could ask someone who's had two trips and they're suddenly acting like a messiah proselytizing everybody, you could ask them the same question.

但针对临床医生或从业者，问问他们见过哪些不良反应。

But specific to clinicians or practitioners, ask them what types of adverse events they've seen.

他们见过最令人担忧的不良反应是什么？

What are the most concerning adverse events they've seen?

简单来说，你该怎么应对崩溃的情况？

A simple way to put that is how do you handle freak outs?

对吧？

Right?

当有人彻底失控时，你会怎么做？

What do you do when somebody really loses their shit?

如果他们的回答是没人会失控，也没有不良反应，那他们要么在撒谎，要么妄想，要么经验非常不足。

And if their answer is people don't lose their shit, there aren't any adverse events, They're either lying, delusional, or very inexperienced.

也许是三种情况都有。

Maybe all three.

这些情况并不是互斥的。

Those are not mutually exclusive.

因此，我发现这是一种相当快速的必要但不充分的方法，通过特定的问题线来区分经验丰富且诚实的从业者与那些既不经验丰富也不诚实的人。

So I find that to be a pretty quick necessary but not sufficient way to use a particular line of questioning to separate seasoned practitioners who are honest from those who are neither of those things.

当然，你自己也要做足功课。

Of course, do your own homework.

我不认为任何刚接触这一领域的人——所谓‘刚接触’，是指他们从事这一行不到十年，理想情况下是二三十年以上——能进入我的推荐名单。

I don't think anyone who's new to this, and by new, I mean, they have not been doing it more than a decade, ideally multiple decades, makes the fly list for me.

这已经变得太他妈流行了。

It's just become too goddamn trendy.

所以，我会说，也许有点不公平，但我更倾向于那些在迈克尔·波伦那本杰出的《改变你的心智》出版之前就开始从事这一行的人。

So I would just say probably unfairly, but I would be biased towards people who have been doing this since before Michael Pollan's exceptional book, how to change your mind.

这或许可以作为分水岭，划分前后两代。

That might be the cutoff for before and after.

好吧。

Alright.

我再问几个问题，然后我们回到现场提问。

Gonna hit a couple more here, and then we'll go back to live questions.

其实，你知道吗？

Actually, you know what?

我们还是回到现场提问吧。

Let's go back to live questions.

好的。

Yeah.

库马尔·埃。

Kumar e.

很棒的纪录片。

Great documentary.

弗雷德推荐的。

Fred recommended.

每个人都应该看看《库马尔·埃》，K-U-M-A-R-E。

Everybody should watch Kumar e, k u m a r e.

我不会破坏这个惊喜。

I won't ruin the surprise.

去看看这个。

Check that out.

这是一部非常棒的电影。

It's a great, great film.

我非常喜欢它，以至于很久以前，有一家叫 quarterly.co 的初创公司，会向订阅者寄送装满好物的盒子。

I liked it so much that way back in the day, there was a startup called quarterly.co, which sent out boxes of goodies to people who subscribed.

对吧？

Right?

我会亲自挑选所有我真正喜欢的东西。

And I would hand curate all these things that I really liked.

这有点像 Five Bullet Friday，但它是按季度进行的，你会收到一个装满我最爱物品的盒子。

It was kind of like Five Bullet Friday, but on a quarterly basis where you get all my favorite things shipped to you in a box.

这个生意很难做起来，但这也暴露了我的年纪。

Very difficult business to make work, but at one point, this also dates me.

它告诉你这事儿有多久了。

It tells you how long ago it was.

我联系了拍摄《Kumarai》的电影制作人，我们找到了一种方法，让我向订阅者寄送大约3000个U盘，每个U盘里都包含这部电影。

I reached out to the filmmaker who made Kumarai, and we figured out a way to make it work that I would ship something like 3,000 USB drives, each of which contain this movie, to my subscribers.

这正是我寄出的物品之一。

That was one of my items that I sent.

好吧。

Alright.

很多人问到关于会议的问题。

Lots of questions about conferences.

我现在对会议没有特别的看法。

I don't have a particular take on conferences these days.

抱歉。

I apologize.

我只是没有在actively关注这件事。

I just I'm not tracking it actively.

面对面的交流场所总是很有意思，所以我不认为这种形式已经过时了。

There are always interesting meeting places in person, so I don't believe that's outdated.

西南偏南大会变得非常庞大且相当商业化。

South by Southwest has gotten very large and quite corporate.

这并不意味着你不能有有趣的互动，但你知道，如果可能的话，我更倾向于寻找人数少于一千人的活动，少于五百人更好。

Doesn't mean you can't have interesting interactions, but, you know, I would look for the events ideally that are fewer than a thousand people, fewer than 500, even better, if you can.

好的。

Alright.

这是克里斯发来的。

It's from Chris.

如果我不是一个作家和播客，你会建议我追求哪些其他职业或行业？

If I weren't an author and podcast, what other careers or industries would you have pursued?

我很久以来都想当一名漫画勾线师，现在其实还是会画一些，我的画板就在那边，我特别喜欢做现场速写，老实说，这能帮我摆脱思维定式。

I wanted to be a comic book penciler for ages and still do some, actually, of my art pads right back over there where I love to do live gesture drawings, honestly, helps me get out of my head.

会有人在上面。

Somebody will be up there.

他们会摆出一个姿势，持续大约六十秒，然后换姿势，或者两分钟、五分钟一次。

They'll hold a pose for, like, sixty seconds at a time and then change or two minutes or five minutes at a time.

你真的无法陷入自己的思绪中。

You really can't get in your head.

根本没有时间让你去多想。

There's just not enough time for it.

所以我真的很喜欢这样。

So I really, really enjoy that.

我一直想当漫画铅笔画师，大学期间也做过一段时间的插画师，靠画画来支付开销，比如给书籍做插图等等。

But I wanted to be a comic book penciler and was an illustrator through a good part of college, helping to pay for expenses, things like that, illustrating books and so on.

当时从事这一行的经济前景并不好，尤其是考虑到我的大家庭为我的教育花了一大笔钱。

The prospects then were not very attractive financially to do that, especially after my extended family paid a fortune on my education.

于是我转了方向，但内心依然对绘画充满向往。

So I shifted gears, but, certainly felt a draw towards that.

莫莉是什么品种的狗？

What kind of dog is Molly?

莫莉是一只收养的混种狗。

Molly is a rescue mutt.

她是一只拉布拉多、寻血猎犬和比特犬的混血犬。

She is a Labrador, bloodhound, and pit bull mix.

那我敢肯定里面还混有其他57种犬种的血统。

Then I'm sure there's high as 57 of other breeds in there.

关于训练，老实说，我在YouTube上上传了一些基础训练视频，你只要搜索我的名字加上‘狗训练’就能找到。

In terms of training, honestly, I put up some basic training videos on YouTube if you just search my name in dog training.

但我发现最有帮助的书是凯伦·普赖尔的《别开枪打狗》。

But the books that I have found most helpful are Don't Shoot the Dog by Karen Pryor.

我觉得每个人都应该读一读这本书。

I think everybody should read that.

我觉得书的封底上写着类似这样的话：无论你是想阻止猫咪跳上桌子、训练狗狗做某件事，还是想让你的婆婆别总唠叨你，这些情况的指导原则其实都是一样的。

I think the back copy says something like, whether you want to stop your cat from jumping on the table, train your dog to do x, or convince your, like, mother-in-law to stop nagging you if, like, the instructions are all the same.

大概是这样的意思。

Something like that.

这本书挺幽默的。

It's pretty funny.

但凯伦·普赖尔将点击器训练——这种类似听觉提示的方式——从海洋哺乳动物训练（如海豚、虎鲸等）引入了犬类训练，或者至少她是推动这一做法的关键人物之一。

But Karen Prior brought clicker training, sort of audible queuing of that type from marine mammal training, dolphins, orcas, etcetera, to dog training, or at least she's one of the people responsible for that.

这是一本关于行为改变和塑造行为的绝佳书籍。

Really fantastic book on behavioral change and shaping behavior overall.

然后听听我和苏珊·加勒特的播客。

And then listen to my podcast with Susan Garrett.

苏珊·加勒特，拼写是 G-A-R-R-E-T-T，她非常出色，因为她赢得过——我想说是五到十次全国犬类敏捷锦标赛冠军。

Susan Garrett, g a r r e t t, is impressive because she has won, I wanna say, I don't know, five to 10 national dog agility championships.

尽管她本人的年龄比大多数需要和狗狗一起奔跑的人类参赛者大得多，但她对这一领域真的非常精通。

Even though she herself is much older than most of the human competitors who have to kinda run alongside their dogs, and she really, really knows her stuff.

所以，我认为你可以从这两三个地方开始学习。

So those would be, I would say, two places that you can start, two or three places.

这里有一个非常友善的评论。

Very kind comment here.

你的所有作品都蕴含着关于保护与滋养的深刻教诲，这是成为父亲的根本。

All of your works hold so many lessons on protection and nourishment, the root of being a father.

我也有这种感觉。

I feel that way.

谢谢。

Thank you.

我最亲近的朋友都这么说。

My closest friends are like, yeah.

你知道吗？

You know what?

你会成为一个很棒的父亲。

You're gonna be a great dad.

所以这也是我朝这个方向走的部分原因，尽管网上有人说我通过自我帮助把自己优化成了单身且痛苦的状态。

So that's part of the reason why I'm headed that way even though, you know, word on the Internet is that I've self help optimized myself into being single and miserable.

这并不真实。

That's not true.

所以那些喷子都去死吧。

So all those trolls can suck a dick.

让我感觉像在喝龙舌兰酒。

Makes me feel like I'm drinking tequila.

大家要小心那些酮体。

Beware of those ketones, guys.

更多关于我的想法，来自辛迪关于九型人格、约会和商业人士的分享。

More on my thoughts is from Cindy on Enneagram, dating and business peeps.

我觉得九型人格看起来挺有道理的。

I think Enneagram look.

它可能是科技版的星座学，但我见过Shopify在用。

It might be tech friendly astrology, but I've seen it used at Shopify.

我也见过Dropbox在用。

I've seen it used at Dropbox.

我见过不止一个人用它来找到非常合适的亲密关系伴侣，我觉得这其中有些门道。

I've seen it used by more than one person to meet very good matches in intimate relationships, and I think there's something to it.

我的意思是，它确实是一种工具。

I mean, it is a tool.

我会说，我尽量保持工具中立，但我发现了恩奈agram，当然还有其他选择，而恩奈agram是一个很好的工具，可以帮助你识别自己在关系中的盲点，比如你的伴侣，或者你工作中的上级、下属、同事，了解你可能容易敏感的地方，以及你该如何在会议、决策和冲突解决中内部处理这些问题。

I would say that I try to be as tool agnostic as possible, but I found the Enneagram, and there are other options, of course, as one good option for identifying your own blind spots for, say, your partner, and this could be someone you, you know, work with, a superior, subordinate, colleague, what your likely blind spots are, where you're likely to be oversensitive, and therefore, how you might want to handle things internally like meetings, decision making, conflict resolution.

这相当有趣，而且它已经在Shopify和Dropbox等大型机构中经过了大规模验证，不同于许多其他方法。

And that's pretty interesting, and it has been tested on a pretty large scale within places like Shopify and Dropbox unlike many other things.

所以我觉得它很有趣。

So I find it interesting.

我之前提到的那个应用，triapp.ai，使用代码Tim50可享受50%折扣。

And the app that I mentioned earlier, triapp.ai, code Tim 50 for 50% off.

我没有任何推广返利或类似收益。

I don't get any affiliate kickback or anything.

这只是为了帮你们省点钱。

That's just to save you guys some money.

他们整合了能量类型的表现。

They incorporate the energy rep.

所以挺有意思的。

So pretty interesting.

我跟他们说了。

I was telling them.

我当时说，嘿。

I was like, hey.

一旦你搞懂了这种商业职业指导的方面，就很容易在其中内置一个匹配功能。

Once you figure out this kind of business career mentoring side, you could very easily have a matchmaking capability built into it.

好的。

Alright.

量子计算让我感到既着迷、惊叹，又害怕。

Quantum computing, I find fascinating, amazing, and terrifying in equal measure.

我在量子计算领域没做过多少事情。

I have not done much in the quantum computing world.

我研究过某些加密货币如何比其他币种更具备抗量子能力。

I have looked at maybe how certain cryptocurrencies are more prepared to be quantum resistant than others.

我看过类似的东西。

I've looked at stuff like that.

我的意思是，更别提我们目前使用的其他各种复杂密码和安全措施了，但我并没有深入研究过。

I mean, not to mention all of our other fancy passwords that we currently use and security, but I have not really gone super deep.

我觉得这就像核聚变一样，进入这个领域时，你真的需要尽可能地技术化。

I feel like that's an area much like fusion where you really want to be as technical as possible wading into those waters.

很久以前我做过一期播客，采访了史蒂夫·尤尔夫森，他是D-Wave的首批投资者之一。

I did a podcast with Steve Jurvetson ages ago who was one of the first investors in D Wave.

但没错，人们都在谈论人工智能，但天啊，当量子计算真正到来时，就像核聚变一样，人们总说核聚变永远还差三十年。

But, yeah, people are talking about AI, but, man, when quantum actually hits and the joke has been with fusion, for instance, that fusion is always thirty years away.

我不再认为这种说法是对的了。

I don't think that's true anymore.

我可能会被证明是错的，但我觉得量子计算也是如此，人们总说，是的。

I could be proven wrong, but I also think that's true with quantum where people are like, yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

这玩意儿永远不可能成功。

That shit's never gonna work.

我觉得，咱们走着瞧吧。

I'm like, we'll see.

看看字母公司对量子计算的投资。

Look at Alphabet's investments into quantum computing.

这引发了一些问题。

Does raise some questions.

想象一下后量子时代是什么样子，既有趣又令人恐惧。

Very interesting and also pretty scary to imagine what post quantum looks like.

这是个好问题。

It's a good question.

尽管你有反主流文化的观念，你是怎么维持这么多朋友的？

How do you maintain so many friends despite your countercultural ideologies?

我觉得我和我的朋友们可能潜意识里——也许这是幸存者偏差——达成了共识：只要保持礼貌，就可以在各种事情上持有不同意见。

My friends and I I think have maybe implicitly, and this is maybe survivorship bias, but agreed that, like, as long as you're civil, like, you can disagree on all sorts of stuff.

我周围的朋友都会给我提出质疑。

And I surround myself with friends who are going to push back.

这包括我最老的朋友。

And this includes my oldest friends.

这不仅仅是我在做播客之后结识的一些所谓‘高端’朋友。

This isn't just, like, fancy friends that I've accumulated since the podcast or anything.

这一点也适用于我高中和大学时最老的朋友。

This this also applies to my oldest friends from high school and college.

所以我也想说，我的大多数朋友在面对新信息时都相当灵活。

So I would also say that most of my friends are pretty adaptable in light of new information.

我不太愿意和那些夸夸其谈的人待在一起，比如‘我就是X，我就是Y’这样的人。

I don't spend a lot of time around blowhards or like, I'm an x, I'm a y.

对吧？

Right?

我是自由派，那个人是新保守派；或者我是保守派，那个人是自由派混蛋之类的。

I'm a liberal and that person's a neocon, or I'm a conservative and that person's a libtard or whatever.

我不跟那些人来往，因为虽然在这样一个混乱复杂的世界里，这种简单的二元划分很有吸引力，但它并不能准确反映现实，也无法体现极端之间的各种细微差别，除非你是在玩政治游戏，否则这种思维只是你箭袋里的一支箭，不得不使用而已。

Like, I don't hang out with those folks because while I recognize that level of simplicity is appealing in a very chaotic messy world, it's not particularly an accurate reflection of reality and the gradations in between extremes, and it's not certainly not very helpful unless you are playing the political game and that's just an arrow on the quiver that you have to use.

但除此之外，我根本不会去接触这些东西。

But otherwise, I'd just stay away from that stuff.

对吧？

Right?

这并不意味着我会回避争议，但我总会问自己：这件事真的值得关注吗？这一点也适用于我看新闻或社交媒体的方式。

Which doesn't mean we I certainly don't steer away from controversy, but I ask myself, right, is this and this applies to watching news or social media.

我知道我以前说过，但大概三四年了，我的手机上一直没装任何社交媒体应用。

And I know I've said this before, but I haven't had any social media apps on my phone for probably three or four years.

我对新闻的态度，现在比《四小时工作周》里描述的还要强烈十倍，我对所谓‘全天候新闻’采取了更彻底的选择性忽视。

And the way I feel about the news in the four hour work week is probably 10 x more intense now in terms of my selective ignorance around mainlining, quote, unquote, news.

因为如果一件事跟你的人生无关，如果你不会因为这件事做出不同的决定，或者采取（或避免）某种行动的话。

Because if it's not relevant to your life and if you are not going to make a decision differently or take action because of it or maybe avoid action because of it.

如果没有后续影响，我的总体看法就是：你根本不需要知道它。

If there isn't some kind of follow-up, you don't need it is my general feeling.

这将不仅仅是一种看似奢侈的选择。

And that's gonna become not just a maybe perceived luxury.

我已经这样做了几十年了，我不认为自己在世界上无效，但这将成为一种生存的必需。

I've been doing this for decades now, and I wouldn't consider myself ineffective in the world, but it's gonna become a survival imperative.

如果你想保持理智，就不可能24小时不停地刷负面新闻。

If you wanna remain sane, you can't doomscroll twenty four seven.

根本不可能。

There's no way.

你不可能每天刷几个小时的负面新闻。

You can't doomscroll even a few hours a day.

我见过一些关于人们使用和戒除社交媒体的惊人生理数据，比如血液检测和心理健康评估等等。

So I've seen some crazy, crazy physiological data from people on and off of social media, like blood tests and mental health assessments and so on.

Ham d，caps五，你知道的，所有这些之类的东西。

Ham d, caps five, you know, all this kind of stuff.

这情况不妙，伙计们。

It's not good, guys.

所以我现在要站上我的讲台了。

So I'm, getting up on my soapbox now.

但没错。

But yeah.

我们刚才在讨论那个‘别当混蛋’准则。

And we were talking about that no asshole rule.

仅仅因为有人不同意你，并不意味着他们就是混蛋。

Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they're an asshole.

但如果有人毫无理由地处处咄咄逼人，那就说明他们该走了。

But if someone is really throwing sharp elbows for no reason, it's like, they're out.

我对朋友的来来去去非常坦然。

I very freely have an inflow and outflow of friends.

有一些朋友一直留在我的核心圈子里，而我也对他们如此，因为他们多年来、几十年来都同样尊重我这份权利。

There are certain friends who have remained in the inner sanctum, and I for them too because they reserve the same right for years and decades and decades now.

人们当然会有状态不好的时候，但如果有人突然把当混蛋当成自己性格或身份的一部分，美其名曰‘保持真实’之类的，那我可没时间陪他们玩。

And people are allowed to have off days, but it's like if someone has suddenly adopted being an asshole as part of their personality or identity in service of, quote, unquote, keeping it real or something, I don't have time for that.

有人问到关于采访一位女性编剧的播客。

Somebody asked about podcast interviewing a female screenwriter.

是的。

Yeah.

当然。

Sure.

这要看是哪位编剧。

Depends on the screenwriter.

我不久前其实联系过两位女性编剧。

I was actually reaching out to two female screenwriters not too long ago.

我觉得我没收到回复。

Don't think I heard back.

那你打算怎么办？

So what are you gonna do?

对。

Yes.