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早上好，姑娘们。
Good morning, girlies.
这是《The Tos》。
It's the Tos.
这是杰克逊，克劳丁，你们是主持人。
It's Jackson, Claudine, where you're host.
这是你们最爱的节目——五分钟速览你需要知道的五件事。
It's your favorite show, the fast five things you need to know.
我们用轻松的方式开启你们的一天。
We'll start your day off swirly.
这是《The Toast》。
It's the toast.
我听起来棒极了。
I sound amazing.
欢迎回到《The Toast》，周五快乐，也就是这一周的最后一天，或者说，我们没有任何来自艾莉克斯·厄尔小姐的内容。
Welcome back to The Toast, happy Friday, aka the last day of the week, aka, like, we have nothing from miss Alex Earle.
我不知道这对Toast意味着什么。
I don't know what this means for the toast.
这对你来说意味着什么？
What does it mean for you?
因为你昨天说EOD关闭了一笔业务。
Because you said EOD closed a business yesterday.
但并没有。
It didn't
来了，而且我觉得我们现在确实已经逾期了。
come And I do feel like we are now past due.
你觉得呢？
Do you do you find?
是的。
Yeah.
我一直说，她其实直到周五才截止，我觉得如果她今天不发布点什么，就什么都不会来了。
Well, I kept saying, like, she has really till Friday, and I think if she doesn't put something out today, nothing is coming.
是的。
Yeah.
而且我注意到她并没有失联。
And I've seen she it's not like she went dark.
她实际上一直非常活跃。
She's actually been extremely active.
她举办了
She hosted
一场她自己的品牌活动。
a brand event for her.
她一直很活跃地发布内容。
She's been active vsing.
她举办了品牌活动。
She hosted a brand event.
她发布了一个科切拉音乐节的Vlog，以及与微软的一项重要合作。
She released a Coachella vlog, a big partnership with Microsoft.
所以也许她想先把她的回应发出来，避免和争执内容混在一起。
So maybe she wanted to get, like, her spawn con out of the way and not, like, have it mix in with the feud content.
我只是觉得她正在失去势头。
I just think she is losing steam.
虽然这听起来有点讽刺。
Like, even though so it's funny.
比如，网上的人一旦决定了谁赢了，总会找理由来支持自己的观点。
Like, people on the Internet, when they've decided who won, like, they'll justify it either way.
所以评论里都在说：‘真是一副无所谓的样子，女王风范。’
And so the comments are like, yes, unbothered queen.
但你之前明明说你要回应的。
And it's like, well, you said you were gonna respond.
你不是真的无所谓，因为这事根本没法忽视。
And it's not that you're unbothered because it's like it's not like you can ignore this.
对吧？
Right?
就像，这是全球性的。
Like, it's global.
但人们根本不在乎。
But, like, people don't even care.
他们已经对亚历克斯·库珀厌倦了。
Like, they're just done with Alex Cooper.
亚历克斯女孩在他们心里已经赢了，尽管她还没回应。
Alex Girl has won in their mind even though she hasn't even responded yet.
而且但我是说对。
And But I yeah.
他们觉得这简直太棒了。
They think that that's, like, a a slay.
你知道，因为他们只会支持自己喜爱的人，信任自己的偶像。
You know, because they're just gonna like, whoever you know, who your faves are, you trust your faves.
你会觉得：那就是我的女王。
And you're like That's my queen right there.
她根本不需要回应。
Like, she doesn't even need to respond.
当她真的回应时，一定会完美无缺。
When she does respond, it'll be perfect.
我觉得我目前还拿不定主意，因为我希望能了解所有事实。
Like, you just I feel like I'm pretty undecided just because I like I would like to know all the facts.
很明显，我倾向于支持厄尔。
Obviously, I'm like, Earl leaning.
嗯。
Mhmm.
她就是我的女孩。
That's my girl.
但我确实需要知道那些指控的具体情况。
But I do need to know the crimes.
是的。
Yeah.
当然。
Of course.
对。
Yeah.
我同意。
I agree.
也许她说了什么根本无关紧要，因为人们本来就会站在她那边。
Maybe it doesn't even matter what she says if she says because, like, people are gonna take her side on this.
而且看起来每个人都在找理由抵制阿里克斯·厄尔。
And it seems like everyone's just been, like, looking for a reason to cancel Alix Earle.
奇怪的是什么？
What's crazy?
有什么特别的理由吗？
Is there something really reason.
给了你最大的理由去抵制她？
Gave you, like, the biggest reason to cancel her?
人们都信以为真了。
And people ate it up.
而且我对这一点感到挺欣慰的，那就是在Call Her Daddy丑闻期间，我们当然持有 unpopular opinion，认为Sofia并没有做错什么。
Like and I feel pretty good about the fact that during the Call Her Daddy scandal, like, of course, we had an unpopular opinion, which was that, like, I didn't think Sofia did anything wrong.
所以有一部分我，我一直这样，今天早上我还给你发了消息。
And so part of me like, I always and I texted you this this morning.
我实际上在应对这场风波时非常挣扎，因为我几乎总是感到挣扎。
I'm actually really struggling with this saga because I almost always struggling.
我不是想把话题扯到自己身上，但我几乎总是会站出来为被取消的人辩护，因为我自己也经历过类似的事情，只是规模小得多。
Not to make it about me, but I almost always, like, jump to the defense of the person who's being canceled because it's I've been through it myself on a much smaller scale.
我可以告诉你，这真的令人崩溃，尤其是第一次经历的时候。
And I can tell you it's just devastating, especially, like, for your first time.
这真的令人崩溃。
It's just devastating.
我看到大量针对Alex Cooper的恶意内容，嘲笑她的走路和跳舞方式。
And I I'm seeing so much, like, really mean spirited content about Alex Cooper, like, just making fun of the way she walks and dances.
这根本就不是重点。
And it's just like, that's not what this is about.
你明白我的意思吗？
You know what I mean?
所以我总是倾向于为这样的人辩护，但我也很难受，因为亚历克斯·库珀确实对别人造成了伤害。
So I'm always inclined to, like, jump to the defense of that person, but I also have a really hard time because Alex Cooper, like, inflicted this on someone else.
索菲亚·富兰克林被她最好的朋友、被亚历克斯·库珀以更恶劣的方式伤害了。
Like, Sofia Franklin went through this at the hands of her best friends, at the hand of Alex Cooper in a much worse way.
而且她手里并没有一亿五千万美元。
Like And not and not with a $150,000,000 in her pocket.
在银行里。
In the bank.
是的。
Yeah.
一无所有，失业，被迫回家，甚至想自杀。
Like, broke, unemployed, go back home, suicidal.
是的
Yeah.
literally，她做了这件事，而亚历克斯·库珀还主动邀请了这件事。
Like, literally, like so she's done this, and, like, Alex Cooper invited this.
她是用视频先开始的。
Like, she started it with the video.
她并没有一开始，但她把事情闹大了。
Like She didn't start it, but she blew it up.
我们都在讨论阿里克斯·埃尔用 repost 那个 Bravo 妈妈的事情。
Like, we were all talking about Alix Earle reposting that Bravo mom.
所以亚历克斯·库珀本可以无视它，也许这一切本来会沉寂一段时间。
So Alex Cooper could have ignored it, and maybe all of this would have laid dormant for a while.
但我讨厌别人说‘是她先开始的’。
But, like, I hate when people are like, she started it.
不是。
No.
她只是以一种非常激烈的方式回应了这件事。
She just responded to it in a massive way.
是的。
Yeah.
而且我正在
And I'm
我只是看到人们以一些让我非常生气的方式行事。
just seeing, like, people behave in ways that is pissing me off.
我讨厌，讨厌，讨厌别人逼我当女性的捍卫者。
And I hate, hate, hate when people make me be, like, a woman defender.
你知道的？
You know?
是的。
Yeah.
因为我知道，私下里。
Because I know, like Low key.
我认为这正是关键所在。
And I think that's the whole point.
你知道的？
You know?
这就像是我们无意中成了女族长。
It's like how we're the accidental matriarchs.
没错。
Exactly.
表面上支持父权，但我们却在扮演女族长的角色。
Support the patriarchy, but here we are being matriarchs.
我们并不是在支持女性，可实际上我们总是在支持其他女性。
Like, we're not women support other women, yet we are always supporting other women.
我说过，那些女性
I have said And the women
支持其他女性的人其实并不支持女性。
who support other women don't support other women.
我从出生那天起就说过，我不是那种支持其他女性的女性。
I have said since the day that I'm born, like, I'm not a woman who supports other women.
别指望我会无条件支持你。
Do not expect blind support from me.
我真讨厌你们这些女人。
Like, I hate you bitches.
我是真的他妈的讨厌。
Like, I really fucking do.
当然不是指听节目的这些人。
Not the people listening to the show, obviously.
男人才是我的清道夫。
Guys are my cleanies.
你知道的？
You know?
就是那些。
Those.
其他所有人。
Everyone else.
讨厌那些婊子。
Hate those bitches.
但我从来就不是那种盲目支持女性的人。
But I've just never been this person who, like, blindly supports women.
然而，每当我谈论女性议题时，我总会发现自己对女性更有同理心和支持，而不是那些像阿曼达·布图拉一样的女孩们。
Yet whenever I'm talking and speaking on women's issues, I always find myself, like, having much more empathy and just support for the woman more so than the women who are like, girls, girls, Amanda Boutoula.
你知道吗？
You know?
那些自封为‘女孩女孩’、盲目支持女性的女性，往往是你们这辈子见过最恶心的婊子。
Like, the people who are self proclaimed girls, girls, and who are women who support women blindly are some of the nastiest fucking bitches you've ever met in your life.
而我，我一直都说，我不会仅仅因为你和我性别相同就支持你。
And me, like somebody who I've always said, like, I don't support you just because you're the same gender as me.
你知道吧？
Like, you know?
嗯嗯。
Mhmm.
但我总是发现自己，我知道没人想听，但我确实觉得把布莱克·莱弗利扯进来是个无关的论点。
But yet I always find myself and I know nobody wants to hear it, but I do think an irrelevant claim to bring into this, like, is Blake Lively?
我是愿意给她信任的。
Like, I am giving her the benefit of the doubt.
我真的愿意。
Like, I am.
我就在这儿。
Like, I'm over here.
她说自己遭遇了性侵。
Like, she says she was sexually assaulted.
我就在这儿相信她，甚至因为这样而毁了自己的声誉。
Like, I'm over here believing her, like, getting my reputation destroyed because of it.
人们以为我和雷诺兹是一伙的。
People think I'm, like, in cahoots with the Reynolds.
好吧？
Okay?
就是不行。
And it's just no.
我支持女性。
Like, I support women.
我真的支持。
I actually do.
这太疯狂了。
That's what's so crazy.
这种情况，她们都是女性。
This situation, it's like they're both women.
所以，如果你支持她们中的一个，并不意味着你不支持女性。
So it's not like you're unsupportive of women if you support one of them.
但人们却如此轻易地群起攻击女性，把女性撕得粉碎。
But, like, the way that people feel so comfortable, like, piling on a woman and, like, tearing a woman down.
我不会参与其中。
And I won't get involved.
我看到了
And I saw
一个视频。
a video.
我觉得这不适合我。
I think It's not for me.
我一直在把这段视频发给我认识的每一个人，因为所有我认识的人都在给我发消息讨论这件事，因为我就是凯蒂·赫伦。
I was sending this video to, like, everyone I know because everyone I know was, like, texting me about the situation because I'm literally Katie Herron.
我80%的时间都在想要不要谈这件事，另外20%的时间，我则希望别人能主动提起。
I was thinking about talking about it 80% of the time, and the other 20% of the time, I was hoping for somebody else to bring it up.
我根本停不下来谈论这个，我看到了一段充满恶意的TikTok视频。
Like, I cannot stop talking about And I saw this TikTok that was so mean spirited.
它就是让我觉得，我不想站在那一边。
Like, it just it it's like, I don't wanna be I don't wanna be on that side.
那种立场太刻薄了。
Like, that side is so mean.
有人发了一个视频，我们一直在讨论亚历克斯·库珀在拉斯维加斯到《马戏团》这首歌时拍的那段视频，那其实是对亚历克斯·库珀的一种贬低。
And so somebody had posted you know, we've been talking a lot about that reel that Alex Cooper made in Vegas to the song Circus, and it was like this slight against Alex Cooper.
有人发了一个视频，说：等等。
And somebody posted a video being like, wait.
她当时真的在现场，亲眼目睹了那段视频发生的过程，还分享了观众席上的画面。
Now be actually being, you know, in the room when that video happened, and she shared a video in the audience.
她坐在观众席上，而亚历克斯·库珀则站在拉斯维加斯的DJ台上。
She was in the audience, and Alex Cooper was up on the DJ table in Vegas.
她拍下那个TikTok是因为她觉得只有两种人，而她正一边走一边说。
And she was filming that TikTok because she was like, there's only two types of and she's, like, walking.
就像是在舞台上。
It's like stage.
她根本不是在大放异彩。
She's not, like, slaying.
她只是在走路。
She's just walking.
评论太刻薄了。
And the comments are so mean.
这太丢人了。
This is so embarrassing.
我再也不会出门了。
I would never leave my house again.
首先，来自那些匿名喷子，还有其他女性播客主持人。
From first of all, from, like, you know, anonymous trolls, but also, like, other female podcasters.
我简直不敢相信，我认识的人也说：天哪。
I couldn't like, people I know being like, oh my god.
我替她感到尴尬。
I'm so embarrassed for her.
真是太刻薄了。
Like, so mean spirited.
这些人就是那种会用‘herstory’这个词，而且不是在开玩笑的人。
These are, like, the type of people who are, like, are you know, they use the word herstory in a non ironic way.
这些自称是女权主义者的人，却因为一个女人拍了条TikTok视频就对她群起而攻之。
Like, these are self proclaimed feminists, and it's like you're piling onto a woman because you don't like the way that she, like, made a TikTok.
如果你真想针对亚历克斯·库珀，这才是让我觉得不对劲的地方。
Like, if you wanna come for Alex Cooper that's what's bothering me about this whole situation.
如果你真想针对亚历克斯·库珀，我相信她确实有一些值得批评的地方。
If you wanna come for Alex Cooper, like, I do believe there are legitimate criticisms of her.
如果你因为某些原因想封杀她，那我理解。
And, like, if you wanna cancel her for x, y, and z, like, sure.
我觉得你可能有道理。
I could see you having a point.
但眼下，我们还不知道她到底做了什么。
But, like, at this very moment, we don't know what she did yet.
大家都在大肆炒作，说什么布里安娜鸡飞狗跳，然后我又听说了你对亚历克斯·厄尔做的事。
Everyone's hyping it up, like, Brianna chicken, fighting, and then I heard what you did to Alex Earl.
我们需要知道。
We need to know.
我们需要知道。
We need to know.
因为现在这看起来就像校园霸凌。
Because right now, it's giving mean girl.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
所以我需要阿里克斯·厄尔发布她的视频，原因有很多，但最重要的是，她可以做个澄清。
And so I need Alix Earle to post her video for a multitude of reasons, but also, like, can make a decree.
对。
Right.
这样我们才能对这件事做出判断。
So we can adjudicate on the matter.
我同意。
I agree.
那个视频，我没看过，但你发给我一张截图。
That video, I didn't see the video, but you sent me a screenshot.
最疯狂的是，制作这个视频的人，视频获得了大约500万次观看，内容是嘲笑亚历克斯·库珀在马戏团的舞蹈。
And what's so crazy is the person who made the video, they have, like, 5,000,000 views for, like, clowning on Alex Cooper's dance to circus.
视频的标题是：当我意识到我在拉斯维加斯观看了亚历克斯·库珀的马戏团表演时。
And the caption is, when I realized I saw the circus performance by Alex Cooper in Vegas.
你是说，当你意识到并想起你作为她的粉丝买了她演出的票时？
You mean when you realize and remember that you bought tickets to her event as a fan of hers?
还是你脑部受伤了，忘了自己做过这件事？
Or do you have a brain injury that you forgot that you did that?
装作一副‘我偶然路过那里’的样子。
Like, acting like, oh, I accidentally stumbled there.
不。
No.
对。
Right.
我当时正在街上走着。
Like, I was walking through the street.
我看到了这场表演。
Like, you're I saw this performance.
真公平。
Fucking fair.
在活动现场。
At the event.
你在活动现场。
You're at the event.
你是粉丝。
You're a fan.
你买了票，现在却在嘲笑她。
You bought a ticket, and now, like, you're clowning on her.
与此同时，你在那里，手机举在空中。
Meanwhile, you're there, like, with your phone in the air.
他们可能得飞过来。
They'll probably need to fly in.
她那种样子，好像自己只是偶然碰上了这种情况。
The way that p like, she's, like, like, flipping it to be, like, that she accidentally stumbled upon this situation.
那些评论真的让我很受冲击。
The comments, like, really shook me.
我简直不知道该怎么说，
I couldn't I had, like, kind
对她有点奇怪的反应。
of a crazy reaction to her.
我觉得好恶心。
I was like, yucky.
我不是在落井下石。
I'm not piling on.
我是真的不会参与这件事。
Like, I will not be a part of this.
而且，我真的不知道她目前被指控的具体罪行是什么，因为我们还在等那段视频。
And, again, I don't really know what the crime she's currently being accused of because, like, we're still waiting for that video.
嗯。
Mhmm.
但如果我们想聊聊其他事情，比如索菲亚·富兰克林，那当然可以。
But if we would like to have, like, conversations about other things like Sofia Franklin, like, yeah.
我当时就这么说，现在我还是这么说。
I said it at the time and I'd say it now.
对那个女孩所做的事情真是令人憎恶。
Like, it was abhorrent what was done to that girl.
她值得得到正义。
And she deserves justice.
你知道吗？
And you know what?
她真的值得三千万美元。
She really deserves $30,000,000.
是的。
Yeah.
我觉得这样才公平。
I think that would make it right.
百分之百。
A 100%.
我最好的朋友，比如，嗯，
My best friend, like Well,
六千万是给那个目录和亚历克斯你的工作。
the 60,000,000 was for the catalog and the work that Alex your work.
以及未来的工作。
And future work.
当时，我只是想说，她得到六千万的价值和原因在于，他们根本不知道她将来会成为这么大的网红、播客主持人或采访者之类的。
The time, I just wanna say the value, the reason she got 60,000,000, they didn't know she was gonna go on to become this huge influencer podcast or interviewer or whatever.
他们支付的6000万，是针对未来剧集的，但主要是为了索菲亚的整个内容库。
They were paying the 60, yeah, for future episodes, but mostly for the catalog of Sofia's For both.
为了整个内容库。
For both.
你不会
You don't
不可能为旧剧集支付六千万。
pay 60,000,000 for, like, for old episodes.
你必须是在持续发布新内容。
Like, you have to be releasing.
所以这六千万不是为了内容库。
So it's not 60,000,000 for the catalog.
所以我想我们可以决定给520万美元。
So I guess we can, you know, decide $5.20.
是的。
Yeah.
她得到20万。
She gets 20.
40万用于版权库，20万用于未来作品。
40 for the catalog, 20 for future work.
是的。
Yeah.
另外，我觉得我的一个大胆观点是，如果他们离开时没有带走IP，只是用自己的节目替代，其实也没问题。
Also, I think, like, one of my hotter takes is that if they had, like, left without their IP and just changed it with their show, they would have been fine.
人们以为《Call Her Daddy》的IP价值极高。
People think that the Call Her Daddy IP is so valuable.
不。
No.
真正有价值的是那两个女孩，以及她们所创造的东西。
The girls were so valuable and what they made of it.
你完全可以把这节目叫做‘棍子上的职责’。
You could call the show duty on a stick.
每个人都会想听。
Like, everyone would wanna listen.
是的。
Yes.
现在六年过去了，是的，已经有了六年的品牌积累。
And now six years later, yes, there's six years of branding.
当时才过去一年。
At the time, it had been one year.
对。
Yeah.
他们并不需要它。
And they did not need it.
他们本该一起离开。
They should have left together.
他们本可以去别处拿到更好的合约，而且会变得越来越强大。
They could have gotten a deal elsewhere for more, and they would have continued to become bigger and bigger and bigger.
索菲亚在合同到期时所做的所有事情，那时她主持着世界上最大的播客，比乔·罗根的还要大。
And everything Sofia did at that time when their contract was up and she was hosting the biggest podcast in the world, bigger than Joe Rogan.
那是他们整个世界里最大的播客。
It was the biggest podcast in their entire world.
并没有到期。
Was not up.
随便吧。
Whatever.
他们后来获得了一个可以重新谈判的机会。
They got to a place where they were allowed to renegotiate.
不。
No.
我记得当时是新冠疫情。
And I think I remember at the time, like, it was COVID.
我觉得，戴夫当时说，他们养活了那么多人的薪水，维持着酒吧的运营，因为他们的播客太火了。
And I think, like, Dave, like, said, like, they were paying the salaries of so many people, like, keeping the lights on at bars because their podcast was so big.
不。
No.
不。
No.
不。
No.
那就多付他们一些钱吧。
Like, so pay them more.
你知道我的意思吗？
Know You what I mean?
比如，叫她爸爸，就是这样。
Like Oh, call her daddy was like, yeah.
因为只有大约百分之十的节目真正成功。
Because only, like, ten percent of shows are actually successful.
百分之十
Ten percent
人才。
of talent.
疫情时期，大家都经济紧张，但那个节目却大获成功。
COVID, like, everybody is, like, in the red and, like, that show was just huge.
他们拥有极大的议价能力。
And they had so much leverage.
并不是他们过分索取，我记得他们以前总说，索菲亚在不断移动目标。
And it's not that they out leveraged themselves because I remember they used to say, like, Sofia was moving the goalpost.
不是这样的。
It's like, no.
她要求更多，是因为他们掌握了主动权。
She was asking for more because, like, she was they were in the driver's seat.
并不是戴夫在说：‘去你们的，我就是不给。’
And it's not that Dave was like, fuck you guys.
我不是要给你们。
I'm not giving it to you.
是因为他们崩溃了。
It was that they broke.
而亚历克斯接受了更差的条件。
And Alex took the lesser deal.
是的。
Yeah.
所以戴夫作为一个商人，心想：好吧。
So Dave is a businessman being like, alright.
我可以和这个想要六千万美元的女孩谈判，也可以和另一个只要五百美元的女孩合作。
I can negotiate with this one girl who wants $60,000,000 or this other girl who'll do it for 500.
是的。
Yeah.
当时我记得我说过，现在我依然这么认为。
And so at the time, I remember saying it, and I feel that way now.
我会和索菲亚·富兰克林做完全相同的事，而她之所以遭到那么多非议，是因为她有个男朋友。
I would have done exactly what Sofia Franklin did, and she got so much shit because she had a boyfriend.
哦，他控制了她。
Oh, he controlled her.
你们有些人真是蠢得要命。
Some of you bitches are so fucking stupid.
不，不是这样的。
Like, no.
不是。
No.
你有个男人，他明明拥有商科硕士学位。
You have a man who literally has an MBA in business.
你才入行一年。
You're in this business for one year.
他在HBO工作。
He works at HBO.
他是高管。
He's a C suite executive.
不。
No.
你不听他的建议、不让他帮你、不让他为你引荐经纪人、律师、经理这些能帮你促成交易的人，那才是傻子。
You'd be an idiot not to take his advice and let him help you and let him make introductions to agents, lawyers, managers, people to help make the deal.
有趣的是，是的，你觉得亚历克斯真的就这么顺利地做到了吗？
And what's so funny is, like, yeah, think Alex really sailed on on that.
你看，索菲亚，竟然让一个男人来打理她的事业。
Like, Sofia, you know, letting her business be run by a man.
与此同时，她当时只是在向一个比他们两人都更聪明的人寻求建议。
Meanwhile, she was just getting advice from someone smarter than both of them at the time.
嗯。
Mhmm.
现在，亚历克斯·库珀和她丈夫共同经营她的事业。
And now, like, Alex Cooper runs her business in partnership with her husband.
她丈夫的小型制作公司已经和她的公司合并了。
Her husband's, like, smaller production company has merged with her.
这就是Unwell的运作方式。
That's what Unwell is.
这跟他之前的作品和她的Unwell公司有很大关系。
It's like this big thing with his previous previously existing work and her Unwell company.
所以，Slay本身并没有什么问题。
So, like, which there's nothing wrong with Slay.
我和我丈夫一起工作。
I work with my husband.
这简直太棒了。
It's the best.
当你真正尊重你的伴侣时，谁还在乎他是男人呢？
When you actually respect your partner, like, that's who cares that he's a man?
人们就是如此痴迷于讨厌男人。
Like, people are just so, like, obsessed with hating men.
所以，如果我们真想就这个问题进行一场深入的讨论，当然可以。
So, like, yeah, if we wanna have, like, an actual critical conversation about that, sure.
目前，这感觉就像是一场群起而攻之，但在加入之前，我需要知道她之前做了什么。
At present, it just kinda feels like a pile on, and I need to know what she did before I join the pile on.
因为现在这看起来就像校园里的恶毒女生行为。
Because right now, it's giving mean girl.
是的。
Yeah.
我同意。
I agree.
所以我想今天其实没什么需要裁决的。
So I guess there's nothing to really adjudicate today.
实际上，我觉得有一个最新动态。
Actually, I think there was one update.
对。
Yeah.
但问题是，似乎整个行业的人都讨厌她。
Except that, like, it just seems like everyone in the industry hates her.
这正是有趣的地方。
That's what's interesting.
那是什么时候发生的？
When did that happen?
对。
Right.
所有曾经参加她巡演的人，现在都在她的节目中说讨厌她。
Everyone who was, like, going on her tour has been on her show, like, now saying they hate her.
她真的很搞笑，因为我觉得我们才是坚持原则的那群人。
She's, like, so funny because I feel like we're the ones holding the line.
根本没被邀请过任何事。
Never got invited to shit.
我们从来没被邀请上过《Call Her Daddy》。
Never we've never been asked to be on Call Her Daddy.
我们从来没被邀请参与她的巡演。
We've never been asked to be a part of her tour.
她基本上一直在刻意忽略我们。
She has, like, largely gone out of her way to ignore us.
最近吗？
Recently?
直到最近，因为她请你参与了那个‘Unwell Vegas’的活动。
Until recently, because she asked you to do, like, the unwell Vegas thing.
哦，是的。
Oh, yeah.
她确实邀请过我
She did ask me to
去参加Unwell Vegas。
do unwell Vegas.
非常近的事。
Very recent.
但当，你知道，在那段时间它
But when, you know, in the time It was
就只是一个报酬非常低的活儿。
just like a very low paying gig.
我会这么说，因为我什么都愿意做。
That's what I'll say because I'll do anything.
我认为这一直是她受到的批评之一：她想和所有人合作，但付给他们的报酬远低于他们应有的水平。
And I think that's been a criticism of hers that she wants to work with everyone and pay them well below what they're worth.
我从几乎所有认识的、曾和她合作过的人那里听到的都是，她会向所有人发出邀约，让他们分发播客、担任嘉宾、参加活动，但却不给他们应得的报酬。
That's what I've heard from almost everybody I know who's worked with her is that they she gives like, she sends offers out to everyone to distribute their podcasts, to have them as talent, to go to events, and she doesn't pay them what they're worth.
与此同时，作为播客界的一名女性，她从中获益最多，拿到了六千万、一亿两千五百万美元，她为此感到非常自豪，这很好。
Meanwhile, like, she's, you know, benefiting the most from being a female in podcasting, and she gets that $60,000,000, a $125,000,000 So she's very proud and good for her.
她拿到的报酬不仅物有所值，甚至更多。
Like, she gets what she's worth and then some.
但当轮到她与其他人合作时，却严重低估他们的价值，给的报酬极低。
And then when it comes time for her to work with other talent, she, like, grossly underpays them.
所以我认为业内的人对她都有非常负面的印象。
So that's why I think people in the industry, like, have a very negative association with her.
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他们的互动并不好。
Like, their interactions have not been great.
对。
And yeah.
是的。
Yes.
但如果你不喜欢这个薪酬，那你就别接受啊。
But also, like, if you don't like the paycheck, like, you don't have to take it.
所以她提供的报酬，我觉得很多人都不会愿意接受。
So she offers, you know, what I think people wouldn't wanna accept.
但如果你接受了，那就是你自己的问题。
But, like, if you accept it, then that's on you.
完全正确。
A 100%.
我会这么说。
What I'll say.
而且，任何人在索菲亚盖特之后还想要和她做生意，这真的让人很惊讶。
And, also, anybody who wants to, like, do business with her, like, after Sofia Gate, like, that's really surprising.
是的。
Yeah.
我不
I don't
人们没看到这一点。
people didn't see it.
也许现在他们会了，但像阿里克斯·厄尔这件事，如果你从索菲亚·富兰克林时代就开始关注，其实并不意外。
Maybe now they will, but, like, the Alix Earle thing, like, that was if you were following since the very beginning from the Sofia Franklin days, like, not really shocking.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
所以有趣的是，我们在这里坚持立场。
So it's just it's funny that we're holding the line here.
我知道。
I know.
我只是觉得，这种保持一点反方观点的倾向已经深深植根于我们的本性中了。
I just like, I feel like it's so ingrained in our DNA, like, just to have, like, a little bit of, like, devil's advocate.
我觉得说‘我想先了解她到底做了什么’并不过分。
And I don't think it's unreasonable to say, like, I just wanna know what she did first.
嗯哼。
Like Mhmm.
目前还没有任何指控提出。
No accusations have been made yet.
基于我过去一两年跟进这个故事的了解，我对这些指控内容其实已经有了一些预感。
And I I think I have a good feeling as to what they are based on just, like, me following the story for the last year or two.
但Alix Earle确实需要发声了。
But Alix Earle, like, needs to speak
马上。
up stat.
如果这真的像我们想的那样，那她其实并不是故事里的反派。
If it if it is what, like, we think it is, you know, like, just then she's not, like, really the villain in the story.
不是。
No.
但她就是。
But she like, she is.
她一直都是反派。
But she's been the villain the whole time.
因为她现在的行为方式和她一贯的做法一样，而人们一直都很买账。
Like, because she's acting now how she's always acted, and people have been eating it up.
嗯。
Mhmm.
而现在他们只是不喜欢，因为这不再符合他们的利益，或者我觉得她有点像詹姆斯·科登了。
And now they just don't like it because it doesn't serve them, or I think they she's getting a little bit like James Corden y.
而且这显得有点不合潮流。
And it's, like, uncool.
她无处不在。
She's everywhere.
她出现在新剧《Verity》里。
She's in the new she's in Verity.
是的。
Yeah.
我知道。
I know.
这就是今天的故事。
That was the story today.
这也是其中一部分。
And that's also a part of it.
人们就是他妈的嫉妒。
People are just fucking jealous.
对。
Like Yes.
这一点真的怎么强调都不为过，因为这个行业中有这么多女性，她们都处于一个不错的水平。
That needs to be that that actually can't be overstated because there are so many women who are in this business, and they operate at a good level.
她处于另一个层次。
She is on another stratosphere.
她采访过所有人。
She has interviewed everyone.
除了泰勒·斯威夫特，她没有什么人是不能采访的。
There's nobody she can't interview except for Taylor Swift.
她有钱到都不知道该怎么花，还不断创办一些随机的公司。
She has so much money she doesn't even know what to do, she keeps starting these random companies.
她深深融入了流行文化。
She is so embedded deeply in pop culture.
她得到了每个全球千禧一代女性都渴望得到的工作——主持《汉娜·蒙塔娜》特别节目。
She got the job that every millennial woman on the planet would have wanted hosting the Hannah Montana special.
所以，任何在我们圈子里只是因为跟风而针对她的人，其实也只是嫉妒罢了。
So anyone who's, like, in our sphere who's just, like, coming for her because, like, it's popular is also just jealous.
是的。
Like Yeah.
我嫉妒。
I'm jealous.
我觉得那些人是嫉妒。
I think those people are jealous.
我觉得那些突然就转而针对她的人，就像一群盲从的绵羊，其实也是嫉妒。
I think the people who have, like, just turned on her on a dime, you know, like, just sheep, like, are also jealous.
我不认为阿里克斯·厄尔是个嫉妒的问题。
I don't think Alix Earle is a jealousy issue.
哦，不是。
Oh, no.
像阿里克斯·厄尔，这就是为什么我觉得阿里克斯·库珀会对她感到威胁。
Like, Alex Earle that's why I think Alex Cooper was so threatened by her.
阿里克斯·厄尔在他们共事期间超越了她。
Alex Earle did eclipse her during their time together.
Alix Earle非常受欢迎。
Alex Earle is so beloved.
是的。
And yeah.
不。
No.
我没在说话。
I wasn't talking.
我只是在说现在纷纷发表意见的那些人。
I'm just talking about everyone who's, like, chiming in now.
首先，她走红的时候你们怎么没吭声？
It's like, well, you didn't say anything when she was popular, first of all.
这正是我的观点。
That's my thing.
你知道的？
You know?
你从中获得了好处。
And you reaped the benefits of it.
你去参加了巡演。
Like, you went to the tour.
是的。
Yeah.
你知道，你拿到了你的支票。
You know, you got your check.
你参与进去了。
You went and got involved.
哈利·乔齐并不是因为她付了他的狗屁账单才背叛她的。
Like, Harry Jowzy's not turning on her because she pays his motherfucking bills.
对。
Yeah.
那就是我忠诚的国王。
And that's my loyal king right there.
我就是这样把他带大的。
And that's how I raised him.
我就是这样把他培养成忠诚的人的。
That's how I raised him to be loyal.
我快笑死了。
I'm cracking up.
你就是这样把他带大的。
That is how you raised him.
我把他培养得忠诚。
I raised him to be loyal.
而且，你知道，就像，那是他的朋友。
And, you know, and, like, that's, like, that's his friend.
对吧？
Right?
那为什么突然间他就不能是他的朋友了呢？
So why all of a sudden would that not be his friend?
不。
No.
我讨厌别人。
I hate people.
你的朋友够格让你乐意去领那些支票，但现在人人都讨厌他们。
Like, that was your friend enough to like, you were happy to catch those checks, but now everyone hates it.
现在你能看出她是个坏人。
Now you can see that she's an evil person.
拜托，我最讨厌别人这样做了。
Like, please, I hate when people do that.
是的。
Yeah.
当你为朋友挺身而出时，我反而更尊重你，即使这朋友是，比如
I have, like, more respect for you when you stand up for your friend even if it's, like
因为 unpopular，但之前他们还是你的朋友，你知道的，在所有人都讨厌他们之前。
Unpopular because they were your friend enough, you know, before everyone hated them.
就像，你之前还挺高兴的，我觉得
Like, you were happy to so I think
这会让人们看起来很糟糕。
it makes look people makes people look bad.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
外面越来越疯狂了。
It's getting a little crazy out there.
你和我其实觉得，像亚历克斯·厄尔那样，把我们全都撂在一边，至今不管不顾，让大家都快疯了。
You and so I actually think, like, Alex Earle, like, leaving us all hang out like, hung out to dry so far is making people crazy.
是的。
Yeah.
我只是觉得这事不会发生。
And I just don't think it's coming.
完全不会，还是说高潮部分不会是个大炸弹？
At all or the top is not gonna be a big bomb?
我觉得根本不会发生，除非有一个真人秀，加布里埃尔和我一起，比如几周后。
I don't think it's coming at all until a reality show where Gabrielle with me, like, in weeks.
我觉得有时候人们就是这样，很久都不回复。
Like, I think sometimes people do this where they don't respond for, a long time.
然后当他们终于回复时，就像是，你知道的，砰的一下。
And then when they do, it's like, you know, bam.
但有时候并不是砰的一下，因为时间太久了。
But sometimes it's not bam because too much time has passed.
百分之千。
Oh, 1000%.
我开始有点厌倦了。
I am starting to feel, like, a little over it.
不是很多，但我能想象自己会到那个地步。
Not a lot, but I could see myself getting there.
是的
Yeah.
所以我不认为
So I don't think
它今天会出现。
it's coming today.
我也不觉得它今天会出现，因为如果她真的想制造轰动，就不会在周五发布东西。
I don't think it's coming today either because if she wanted to, like, really make waves, you don't release something on a Friday.
除非它今天早上就发布了。
Unless it's coming, like, this morning.
但我们已经处于警戒状态。
But we are on alert.
现在是09:45。
It's 09:45.
如果今天中午前还没发生，那就不会发生了。
If it doesn't happen before noon today, like, it's not happening.
而且，当然，大楼里每个人都清楚，只要有什么情况就通知我。
And, of course, everyone know, like, you know, everyone in the building, just alert me.
对吧？
Right?
好的。
Okay.
好的。
Okay.
大家都清楚。
Everyone knows.
别害羞啊。
Like, don't be shy.
点赞。
Like it.
直接闯进来。
Barge in.
攻打巴士底狱。
Storm the Bastille.
嗯，你最近怎么样？
Well What's
你最近怎么样？
new with you?
我最近怎么样？
What's new with me?
真是艰难的一天。
Such a hard day.
比如你。
Like, You.
做我自己真是太难了。
It is so difficult being me.
你。
You.
你做了什么？
What'd you do?
什么时候？
When?
什么
What
你在说什么？
are you talking about?
我今天过得很糟。
I had a hard day.
今天过得很难，孩子们都生病了。
Having hard day like the kids are sick.
哦，今天。
Oh, today.
今天。
Today.
我只是碰上个特别糟的日子。
I'm just having a rough one.
我刚才说反话，因为昨天我不得不开车去汉普顿找我们的暑期租房，这活儿可真够烦人的，我得说一句。
I was being sarcastic because, like, yesterday, had to drive out to the Hamptons to find our summer rental, which is a thankless job, might I add.
但作为唯一住在纽约且时间灵活的人，我被委派了寻找汉普顿暑期租房的责任。
But as the only person who, like, lives in New York and has a flexible schedule, I'm, like, tasked with the responsibility of finding our Hampton summer rental.
我们第一年租房时，我在线填了申请表。
Now the first year we rented, I, you know, filled out the paperwork online.
我根本没亲自去看房，结果犯了个大错。
I never saw the house in person, and it was such a great big mistake.
是的。
Yep.
因为当我们走进那房子时，一进门就心想：天哪。
Because when we were in the house, like, the moment we walked in, we were like, damn.
如果我们当时只看一眼，就会知道那房子根本不合适。
If we just saw it once, we would have known that it was not the guy.
这房子。
This house.
是的。
Yeah.
所以现在这项任务落在我头上，我决定把它变得有趣一点。
So now it's my job, and I decided to have a little fun with it.
因为当时气温高达一千度。
Because I was first of it's a thousand degrees.
我汗流浃背。
I was sweating.
本逗得我哈哈大笑。
Ben was cracking me up.
他问我：你为什么穿这件看起来很薄的长袖衬衫？
He's like, why are you wearing I was wearing this Boyslie, like, long sleeve shirt that looked thin.
Boyslie。
Boyslie.
我穿上它的时候，Boyslie，里面是绒毛材质的。
When I put it on, Boyslie, it was like fleece inside.
我快热死了。
I was dying.
因为你知道，这些房子都空着没人住。
Because, you know, all these houses are sitting unused.
所以空调都没开。
So the air is not on.
天哪。
Oh my god.
当时我也才18岁，我上下楼梯忙着给每个人拍视频。
It was also like 18 I was and I'm walking up and down the stairs trying to get videos for everyone.
我汗流浃背。
I was sweating.
是的。
Yeah.
去房子的路上，本把他的衬衫脱下来给了我。
So on the way to house, Ben gives me the shirt off his back.
他当时穿着一件非常薄的芦荟图案T恤。
He was wearing like this very thin aloe t shirt.
我得告诉你，我立刻感觉好多了。
Have to tell you, I I instantly was better.
他当时都没穿衬衫。
And he, like, didn't have a shirt.
他光着膀子走进了房子。
He walked into the the house without a shirt on.
他其实有件衬衫。
He's got a shirt.
但他想起来，有个朋友送了他一件大师赛的衬衫，他一直放在车里。
But then he remembered he had one of friends got him a shirt from the masters, so he, like, had kept it in the car.
你们俩可真不靠谱。
You two are not okay.
不。
No.
不。
No.
你们俩当时就像在别人的车道上换衣服。
You were both, like, changing in someone's driveway.
本赤着身子走进房子，这真的太疯狂了。
That's, like, really crazy that Ben walked into the house without a shirt on.
嘿。
Hey.
不。
No.
抱歉。
Sorry.
他没有走进去。
He didn't walk in.
他沿着车道走了一圈。
He walked the driveway.
我准备租房了。
I'm ready rent.
在车道上。
In the driveway.
所以那时候我想，我们一共看了七八套房子。
So then I'm like I have, like, seven or eight houses we saw.
在最后一套房子，我真的觉得像在地狱一样。
And at the last house, I was just like, seriously, I was in hell.
我当时就想，你知道的，我真不想负责选一套让所有人都讨厌的房子。
And I I'm like, I'm, you know, a really I don't wanna be responsible for, like, choosing a house that everyone hates.
对吧？
Right?
所以我拍了非常详细的视频，还做了很多解说。
So I take really in-depth videos with lots of commentary.
每个视频都分成四五部分。
Each is like four or five parts.
我拍了地下室、外面，然后把它们上传到Dropbox，我还专门建了一个Dropbox，心想：我知道你们这些家伙根本不会完整看完我的视频，尽管我明明告诉过你们必须完整观看并听音频。
I get the downstairs, the outside, the and then I put them in a Dropbox, and I made a special Dropbox with and I was like, I know none of these bitches are gonna watch my videos in full even though I told you you have to watch them in full and listen with audio.
所以在最后一个视频的结尾，我说：好吧。
So at the very end of the very last video, I said, okay.
这是最后一个视频。
This is the last video.
为了证明你们当中真有人看完了，我要你们在家族聊天群里发一个紫色爱心。
And just to prove, if any of you bitches actually made it here, I want you to write in our family chat a purple heart.
我觉得这主意挺聪明的。
I thought that was pretty genius.
我想说，所有人都通过了，只有该死的玛戈没通过。
And I wanna say, everyone passed except for motherfucking Margo.
只有玛戈没通过。
Except for Margo.
她还一直问：紫色心形是怎么回事，大家？
And she keeps going, what's with the purple hearts, everybody?
我就说，你怎么不觉得自己更该愧疚呢？
And I'm like, why don't you be more guilty?
我当时就想，你这不是在自曝吗？
I was like, you're telling on yourself.
我看了你所有的视频。
I watched all your videos.
我只是没腾出时间，因为我想
I just couldn't get around to it until later because I wanted to
好好地
give it
花时间和精力去对待，因为我要说的就是，我觉得我们没找到那栋房子。
the time and energy it deserved because I had to All that to say, I don't think we found the house.
我靠和孩子同床入睡来让自己睡着，你知道的，就是为了哄这些孩子睡觉。
I took co sleep my way to sleep, you know, like, in order to these kids down.
嫉妒。
Jealous.
然后我就得看，我必须看《比佛利山》，还得看上周的那集。
Then I could watch then I had to watch Beverly Hills, and I had to watch last week's episode.
但我还是看了。
But I did it.
但我还是看了。
But I did it.
这集有点让人沮丧。
It was kind of a frustrating episode.
是的。
Yes.
是的。
Yes.
我讨厌Erica变得那样。
I hate when Erica gets like that.
我知道。
I know.
但奥丽特现在也这样了，她们俩说话都像黑帮分子。
But to Orit's been like that too now where they both talk like gangsters.
我不在乎。
I don't care.
我喜欢多琳这么说话的时候。
I like when Doreen does it.
我也喜欢，因为她需要为自己挺身而出。
I like it too because she needs to stand up for herself.
但问题是，她们为什么要这样说话？
But it's like, why are they talking like that?
九年了。
Nine years.
好吧。
Okay.
九年了。
Nine years.
简直太疯狂了。
Like, it was insane.
他们太疯了。
They're so crazy.
他们真以为自己是教父似的。
They literally think they're like the godfather.
是的。
Yes.
然后艾丽卡上了《Watch Jabbons Live》，但她没带那种气场，我还挺感激的。
And then Erica was on Watch Jabbons Live, and she didn't bring that energy, which I was grateful for.
安迪确实问了一些非常好的问题，特别是关于拉切尔、佐伊和达里德关系有多近。
And Andy did ask some really good questions specifically about, like, you know, how close Rachel, Zoe, and Darid are.
我觉得他就是想套话，比如，你吃醋了吗？
And, like, I think he was just trying to fish, like, you jealous?
你生气了吗？
Are you mad?
你是讨厌这个吗？
Like, do you hate that?
艾丽卡说，没有。
And Erica was like, no.
我对这个群体里的友谊从不感到惊讶。
I'm never surprised by friendships in this group.
我对蕾切尔和佐伊感到非常惊讶和高兴。
I am so surprised and delighted by Rachel Zoe.
她的性格完全出乎你的意料。
Her personality is just so not what you would expect.
你本来会以为她会冷冰冰的，而且是那种‘是的’型的。
You, like, would expect her to be, like, cold and, like Yes.
缝纫。
Stitching.
而且她戴墨镜的样子太酷了。
And just so cool because she's so cool with the sunglasses.
她整个人温暖、活泼、开心又兴奋。
And she's just like this warm, bubbly, happy, giddy person.
你知道她是什么样的人吗？
And it's You know what she is?
什么样的？
What?
她是个典型的女孩闺蜜型人物。
She's kind of a girl's girl.
她确实是个典型的女孩闺蜜型人物。
Well, she is a girl's girl for sure.
她说的一些老套话，从她嘴里说出来却特别酷。
And she, like, says, like, cliche things and they sound cool coming out of her mouth.
比如，
Like,
她真的非常出人意料又令人愉快。
she's just really surprising and delightful.
我完全同意。
I completely agree.
我就是喜欢看她。
And I just love watching her.
我感觉就是想盯着她看，你知道的，她的头发又亮又长。
I feel like I just want to, like, look at her, you know, like her hair is so shiny and long.
她简直就是一场视觉盛宴。
She's a spectacle.
她真的吗？
She's like, really?
是的。
Yeah.
我觉得她太棒了。
I think she's awesome.
天哪。
Oh my god.
我们已经聊了二十分钟了。
We've been gabbing for twenty minutes.
我知道。
I know.
我们跟哦聊了，但还没来得及深入探讨主线。
We've, like, talked to Oh, and we didn't get to, like, sort of bury in the lead.
比如，西拉已经发声了。
Like, Ciara's spoken out.
我们得讲讲那些故事了。
We gotta get to the stories.
是的。
Yeah.
我们差不多已经在PFFB里讲过那些故事了。
We pretty much, like, did the stories in the PFFB.
哦，所以你觉得我们没找到房子？
Oh, so you think we you think we didn't find the house?
我觉得有两个不错的选择。
I felt like there were two strong options.
我不知道。
I don't know.
我不知道。
I don't know.
我当时简直要疯了。
I was, like, also losing my mind.
杰姬说，房子不错。
Jackie was like, well, the house is good.
我说，不行。
I'm like, no.
她说，房子看起来挺好的。
And she was like, they look nice.
我当时在说，我在想
And I was I was having In say
视频里，她走进了一个像被遗弃的卧室，然后她说：‘呃。’
the video, she walks into, like, this parchy bedroom, and she's like, ugh.
这房子越来越差了。
This house keeps getting worse.
我当时在想，我漏掉了什么？
I was like, what am I missing?
不。
No.
因为你必须亲自到场，去闻一闻，感受一下氛围。
Because you have to be there and, like, smell and, like, the vibe.
我可以直接告诉你。
Like, I could just tell you.
那个房间其实挺可爱的。
It wasn't the room was, like, adorable.
我心想，哦，不错，新房间。
I'm like, oh, nice new room.
她就说，这房子越来越差了。
She's like, this house just keeps getting worse.
是的。
Yeah.
她走进了主卧。
She walks into the master suite.
她说，我觉得这
She's like, I don't think this
房子不适合我们。
house is gonna work for us.
guys，这是家里最糟糕的工作。
Guys, it's the worst job in the family.
对。
Yeah.
我是认真的，我真的不
I seriously I don't
觉得这听起来有任何乐趣。
think it sounds fun at all.
而且汉普顿基本上已经进入淡季了。
It's And not like and the Hamptons are, like, pretty much, like, closed for the season.
所以你根本不可能在外面，比如在泰特那里。
So it's not like you're out there, like, at Tate's.
在沙滩小屋狂欢。
Partying it up at Surf Lodge.
不。
No.
而且这也让我明白，我根本不可能买得起。
And also what it's taught me is, like, I'm really not going to ever be able to Buy it.
住在郊区。
Live in the suburbs.
哦。
Oh.
不。
No.
楼梯太疯狂了。
The stairs, it's insane.
除非我买一个特别大的牧场风格的房子，没有楼梯。
Unless I get, like, a really big ranch style home with no stairs.
真难以置信，居然有人住在有地下室、一层和二楼的房子里。
It's insane that people live in houses that have, like, a basement, a main level, and then upstairs.
是的。
Yeah.
是的。
Yeah.
我们在佛罗里达这里没有地下室。
We don't have basements here in Florida.
而且，我虽然有楼梯，但平时除了上来做节目，我并不会整天上下楼梯折腾。
And, like, I have stairs, but my daily I mean, aside from I come upstairs to do the show, but I'm not, like, hiking up and down the stairs all day.
对。
Right.
对。
Right.
所以你可以有
So you can have
这根本不像一种生活方式。
It just it doesn't seem like a pardy way of life.
我不感兴趣。
I'm not interested.
我一直以来都梦想着拥有一个带螺旋楼梯的大宅子。
I've And always dreamed of, like, having a mansion with a spiral staircase now.
如果装个电梯呢？
What about if it had an elevator?
这简直就是又胖又懒的做法。
That's just like a fat lazy thing to do.
你知道我说的是什么意思吗？
Do you know what mean?
比如，你家里就一层楼，还要装电梯。
Like, the elevator in your own home, one floor.
说实话，就算私下里，我也觉得太丢脸了。
Like, I I would be too ashamed even in private, honestly.
但你可以装啊，你知道的，你可以装个电梯。
But you can get it just know you could get an elevator.
这样差不多就能解决问题了。
And, like, that would sort of solve the problem.
如果你在三楼，那问题就来了。
If you're on the 3rd Floor the problem.
而且你
And you
你得去地下室。
have to go to the basement.
我需要一个能在楼梯上上下移动的电动椅。
I need, like, an electric chair up and down the staircase.
我觉得这对我来说可能是最好的方案。
I think that would probably be best for me.
那看起来会非常漂亮。
That would be really beautiful to look at.
是的。
Yeah.
比如，我那宏伟的大理石楼梯，而我则像被电动装置缓缓滑下去。
Like, my big regal staircase, and I'm sort of, like, electrically sliding down.
我觉得
I think
这可以用电梯解决。
it can be solved with an elevator.
别让这个阻碍你买房。
Like, don't let that don't let that stop you from home ownership.
好的。
Okay.
或者你可以找一栋单层平房。
Or you could find a ranch style home.
你知道的。
You know?
或者我可以找一栋单层平房。
Or I could find a ranch style home.
我知道你反正就是想要这种。
Which I know that you just want anyway.
我喜欢单层平房。
Like, love a ranch.
我超爱单层平房。
I love a ranch.
现在让我们来看看那些你必须知道的五大速递故事。
Now let's get into the stories, the fast five stories that you do need to know.
这些故事由Smart Mouth赞助推出。
That are brought to you by Smart Mouth.
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If you care about fresh breath and we mean actually fresh breath, well, Smart Mouth is about to become your new favorite brand.
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So Smart Mouth's dentist developed formula is the only mouthwash that actually stops bad breath before it even and it prevents it from coming back for twenty four hours with a quick morning and nighttime rinse.
现在，他们推出了一款全新产品，这是首款采用同样值得信赖的锌激活口臭预防技术、并结合了先进的脂质体技术与日常附加功效的漱口水系列。
And now they've launched something brand new, which is a first of its kind line of mouthwashes that are powered by the same trusted zinc activated bad breath prevention technology, but now enhanced with advanced liposomal technology and added everyday benefits.
他们的新产品线包括：富含维生素C和抗氧化剂的漱口水、添加了维生素B12和左旋肉碱的晨间漱口水，以及含有褪黑素和舒缓的薰衣草与洋甘菊风味的晚间漱口水。
So their new line of products include a mouthwash infused with vitamin c and antioxidants, a morning mouthwash with added b twelve and L carnitine to start your day, and an evening mouthwash with melatonin and calming lavender and chamomile flavor.
这些漱口水的设计旨在无缝融入你的日常习惯，让你轻松升级漱口水，而无需增加任何额外步骤。
So these mouthwashes were designed to fit seamlessly into your routine, making it easy to upgrade your mouthwash without adding any extra steps.
我喜欢他们为一天中不同时间段专门设计的产品。
And I like that they have ones tailored for different parts of day.
我喜欢他们对口臭问题如此认真，因为像我这样嗅觉很灵敏的人，真的没法再这样和别人相处了。
I like how seriously they take bad breath because like as somebody with a very strong nose, I can't keep living like this with other people.
我希望每个人都达到我的标准，而我的标准就是Smart Mouth。
I need everybody to get on my level, and my level is smart mouth.
我很欣赏他们对这个数百万美国人每天都在面对的问题所付出的专注。
I appreciate their dedication to sort of an issue that millions of Americans face daily.
但不幸的是，我遇到的每个人都有这个问题。
And, unfortunately, it's all the people I speak to.
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The new SmartMouth Advanced Liposomal Mouthwash is officially here, now available at Walmart on Amazon and TikTok shop, or visit smartmouth.com/toast to snag a special discount.
网址是www.smartmouth.com/toast。
That's www.smartmouth.com/toast.
赶紧去抢购一瓶，亲自体验24小时清新口气吧。
Go grab yours and experience twenty four hour fresh breath for yourself.
你的嘴巴会感谢你的。
Your mouth will thank you.
今天的节目还由No Bull和All Day Knit赞助。
Today's episode is also brought to you by No Bull and the all day knit.
这是一款随时随地都能穿的鞋子，透气性极佳，舒适度无与伦比，提供防撕裂面料或针织鞋面两种选择。
It is your anywhere, everywhere shoe, a breathable shoe with unmatched comfort, available in either a ripstop or a knit upper.
无论是通勤、长时间站立、旅行，还是日常生活中，All Day 鞋子适合每个人。
For on the go, the commute, long days on your feet, travel, the all day shoe is for everyone for everyday life.
Noble 是个很棒的品牌。
So Noble is a great brand.
我觉得我是从Sachi那里了解到这个品牌的。
I feel like I learned about it from Sachi.
他们最出名的是所有酷女孩都穿的运动服、休闲服和运动鞋。
It's like all the cool girls, athletic wear, loungewear, sneakers is what they're really known for.
他们有很多非常酷的投资者。
They have a lot of really cool investors.
这是一个非常酷的品牌，我特别喜欢他们的运动鞋。
It's like a very cool brand, and I love their sneakers.
现在我特别注重舒适性。
Like, I'm all about comfort these days.
我整天都得站着。
Like, I'm on my feet all day long.
我以前整天都躺在床上。
I used to lay in bed all the time.
不，不行。
Like, no.
不行。
No.
现在我通常晚上8点才上床，我需要一双能提供支撑的鞋子，尤其是当你穿了不舒适的鞋时。
I don't get into bed until, like, 8PM these days, and I need a shoe that supports when you don't wear a comfortable shoe.
这真的会毁掉你一整天，还会伤到你的背。
It can literally ruin your whole day and your back.
而且有时候你得带双备用鞋，因为你要去锻炼或者散步。
And then sometimes you have to carry extra shoes because you're going to work out or you're going for a walk.
我喜欢全天候针织鞋看起来很时尚，所以你可以搭配漂亮的 outfits 穿着，也能去锻炼、散步，或者带孩子去公园，随便做什么都行。
And I like that the all day knits are just pretty, so you could wear them with a cute outfit and then also go work out in them, go for a walk in them, take the babies to the park, like, whatever it is.
它们能让你在长时间站立时也得到支持。
They have you covered for long days on your feet.
这是长途旅行日的理想鞋款。
It's an it is a go to shoe for long travel days.
它们能让你在漫长的一天里少做一个决定，因为你清楚这双鞋能应对你一天中遇到的任何情况。
They allow you to just have one less decision in a long day because you know that it can handle anything that your day throws at you.
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So if exclusively for the Toast listeners, if this is interesting to you at all, we do have a 35% discount off your first order when you go to nobleproject.com and use our code DM Toast for 35% off your entire first order.
网址是 nobleproject.com。
So it's nobullproject.com.
我们的优惠码是 DM Toast。
Our code is DM Toast.
这是 D M 代表 deer, media, toast，可享 35% 折扣。
That's d m asindeer,media,toast, for 35% off.
感谢 Noble 赞助今天的节目。
Thank you, Noble, for sponsoring today's episode.
今天的节目还由 Cozy Earth 赞助。
Today's episode is also brought to you by Cozy Earth.
我喜欢舒适的感觉。
I love being cozy.
尽管现在我因为整天站着，睡觉时间比以前晚多了。
Even though I get into bed much later these days because I'm on my feet all the time.
当我终于上床时，感觉更特别了。
When I get into bed, like, it's more special now.
我希望我的床是一个舒适、快乐和恢复精力的避风港，我非常喜欢 Cozy Earth。
Like, I need my bed to be a haven of comfort, joy, and restoration, and I love Cozy Earth.
他们的床单由竹制粘胶纤维制成。
Their sheets are made from viscose from bamboo.
所以它透气、恒温，每次洗涤后都会变得更柔软。
So it's breathable, temperature regulating, and softer every time you wash them.
它们不仅仅是舒适。
They're not just comfortable.
它们是那种你会明显感受到的舒适。
They're the kind of comfortable that you really notice.
在今年的母亲节，Cozy Earth 温柔地提醒你：你母亲给予你的舒适，你也可以回馈给她。
And this Mother's Day, Cozy Earth offers a gentle reminder that the comfort your mother gives you, you can give her too.
这太暖心了。
That's so sweet.
这是一个购物的绝佳去处。
It's such a great place to shop.
第一，因为他们的产品非常出色。
One, because their products are amazing.
我爱他们的睡衣。
I love their pajamas.
我爱所有床上用品。
I love everything for the bed.
但他们的产品风险也非常低。
But they also it's very risk free.
他们提供一百晚的试用期，你可以试用一百个晚上。
They have a hundred night sleep trial, so you can try it for a hundred nights.
如果这些床单不是你睡过最柔软的，你可以无条件退货。
And if they're not the softest sheets you've ever slept in, then you can send them back without any questions asked.
他们还提供十年保修。
They also offer a ten year warranty.
因此，他们对每一套床单的起球、异常磨损和工艺缺陷提供十年保障。
So they back every sheet set against pilling, abnormal wear, and workmanship defects for ten years.
这些床单经久耐用，Cozy Earth 对此负责。
These sheets are built to last, and cozy earth stands behind that.
所以这个母亲节，送一份每晚都会出现的礼物吧。
So this Mother's Day, give the gift that shows up every single night.
前往cozyearth.com并使用我们的代码toast BOGO，享受4月12日至4月18日期间专属的买一送一优惠活动。
Head to cozyearth.com and use our code toast BOGO for an exclusive buy one, give one offer running from April 12 to April 18 on sheet sets.
如果收到购买后的调查问卷，请务必提到Toast，这就是你了解到Cozy Earth的方式。
And if you get a post purchase survey, be sure to mention the toast, and that's how you heard about Cozy Earth.
再次提醒，我们的代码是toast BOGO，t o a s t b o g o，使用后即可享受4月12日至4月18日期间的专属买一送一优惠。
Again, our code is toast BOGO, t o a s t b o g o, and that'll get you the exclusive buy one, give one offer that's running from April 12 to April 18.
所以今天就行动吧。
So take advantage today.
谢谢你，Toturt。
Thank you, Toturt.
不客气，Cozy Jert。
You're welcome, Cozy Jert.
我们的第一个故事，
Our first story,
西拉·米勒在《Glamour》封面故事中首次就韦斯·曼德维尔事件发声。
Ciara Miller is breaking her silence on Wes Mandeville with a Glamour cover story.
所以西拉·米勒登上了《Glamour》杂志的封面，谈论韦斯·曼德维尔。
So Ciara Miller is on the cover of Glamour Magazine talking about Wes Mandeville.
这篇文章的标题是《西拉·米勒将让宇宙来处理一切》。
It's titled Ciara Miller Will Let the Universe Handle It.
她解释了自己所经历的震惊、背叛，以及此刻的感受。
So she's explaining the shock that she experienced, the betrayal, and how she's feeling in this moment.
是的。
Yeah.
我看到一句特别好的话，我原以为这会是她的观点。
I saw a really good quote that just I assumed this would be her take.
原文是：在私底下经历伤害是一回事。
It was this, It's one thing to experience hurt behind closed doors.
但如此公开地经历，又增添了另一层痛苦。
To experience it so publicly is adding another layer.
而当你以为已经结束的生活，却还要在下一季继续上演，这简直是一场巨大的精神冲击。
And then to have to see what you thought was your life still play out in a season, it's a major mind fuck.
我曾为你与你的丈夫争执，为你发声。
I fought with your own husband to advocate for you.
我一直支持你。
I have championed you.
我尝试以各种方式陪伴你、帮助你，让你看到自己内在的价值。
I have tried to be there in different ways for you and help you and get you to see your value in yourself.
因此，被如此轻蔑地对待，说实话，有时候我简直无言以对。
And so to be so disregarded in such a disrespectful way, honestly, it's at times, I'm lost for words.
归根结底，男人就是男人。
At the end of the day, a guy's a guy.
无论我和韦斯是否在修复关系，你都不能对男人抱有任何幻想。
Whether or not Wes and I are working on a relationship, you just can't put anything past a man.
但我从未想过，背叛会来自像阿曼达这样的人，她一直以来都让我觉得是圈内人、站在我这边。
But I just never would think that it would have come from someone like Amanda who has been what has felt like in my circle and in my corner for so long.
我觉得这才是最疯狂的部分。
I think that's the craziest part.
这是实话。
That's the truth.
对。
Like Yep.
韦斯和别人在一起本来就是迟早的事，除了艾曼达，他跟谁在一起都不会这么让人震惊。
The West moving on with someone else was always gonna happen, and there's really no one he could have moved on with that would be that shocking aside from Even
如果是在家里的人，比如贝利，你知道的，随便谁。
if it was someone in the house like Bailey, you know, like, whatever.
也没那么让人震惊。
What not that shocking.
简直就像他和佩吉在一起一样。
Like, it would literally be as if he were with Paige.
他的标准对他来说本来就低得离谱，结果他还更低了，低到我们谁都没想到的地步。
Like, it's The bar is extremely low for him, and he so met like, went even lower than any of us could have decided.
所以韦斯做的这些事一点都不让人意外。
So nothing about what West has done is that shocking.
但即使他是屋子里的人，也会非常令人震惊。
But even if he was someone in the house, it would have been really shocking.
但比如马特，你知道，我们还能接受。
But, like, Matt, you know, we could we could deal with it.
我们能理解这件事。
We could wrap our head around it.
能想象一下，比如说，如果是贝利的话。
Been able to someone could hypothetically let's say it was Bailey.
我觉得这是个很好的例子。
I think that's a good example.
我们本可以试着为她辩护。
We would have been able to, like, sort of defend her.
就像，是的。
And it's like, yeah.
对西亚拉来说很不幸，但你并不了解西亚拉，你喜欢这个家伙，当然，你被带进了这个屋子。
It's unfortunate for Ciara, but, like, you don't know Ciara, you like this guy, like, sure, you're you're brought into this house.
这简直是不可原谅的。
This is just just indefensible.
最令人震惊的是艾曼达的背叛。
It's the betrayal from Amanda that's the most shocking thing.
我知道人们总喜欢说，我们应该对韦斯特和艾曼达同等谴责。
And and I know that people like to be like, well, we should be giving them equal hate, West and Amanda.
为什么女性反而受到更多指责？
Like, why does the woman get more hate?
因为
Well, because
女性做了更糟糕的事。
the woman did something worse.
是的。
Yeah.
没错。
Yes.
我同意这一点。
I would agree with that.
但在这篇文章中，他们说这就像塞蕾娜·戈麦斯离开了本尼·布兰科，转而和特拉维斯·凯尔西约会一样。
Except in this article, they they, like they said it was akin to, like, if Selena Gomez left Benny Blanco and started dating Travis Kelce.
不，不是这样的。
Like, no.
这根本不是一回事。
It's not.
等等。
Wait.
让我想想。
Let me think.
如果塞蕾娜·戈麦斯和本尼·布兰科离婚了，那也不对。
If Selena Gomez and Benny Blanco got divorced no.
不对。
No.
因为他们正在交往，并且开始和乔·阿尔文约会。
Because they're actively together and started dating Joe Alwyn.
是的。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
那是个赌注。
That's a bet.
他们在一起六年了。
They were together for six years.
而且他们还说这就像莉娅·雷米尼和本·阿弗莱克约会。
Like and they also said it's like Leah Remini dating Ben Affle.
好吧。
Okay.
那是她的前夫。
That's her ex husband.
玛迪·希利。
Maddie Healy.
玛迪·希利。
Maddie Healy.
好的。
Okay.
是的。
Yeah.
这是一个很好的例子。
This is a good example.
赛琳娜·戈麦斯与贝蒂·布兰科离婚，开始与玛迪交往。
Selena Gomez divorces Betty Blanco and starts dating Maddie.
玛迪·希利的关系持续了十多年。
Maddie Healy is like a decade long.
但泰勒也处于一段非常幸福的关系中。
But also Taylor is in a very happy relationship.
西拉和阿曼达并不是。
Ciara and Amanda were not.
所以，答案是否定的。
So it's like, no.
这并不完美。
It's not it's not a perfect
是的。
Yeah.
不。
No.
这并不完美。
It's not perfect.
但我只是觉得他们错失了这样一个机会。
But I just thought that that was, like, such a miss from them.
莉亚·雷米尼和本·阿弗莱克约会。
Leah Remini dating Ben Affleck.
本和珍结婚了。
Ben and Jen were married.
而且，我觉得，利娅·雷米尼
And, also, I think, like, Leah Remini
还有詹妮弗·洛佩兹，她们只是想为那些不了解情况的人解释一下。
and J Lo, like, have been I think they're just trying to, like, explain it for people who don't know the situation.
情况可能会是那样，但其实根本不是那样。
It would be like that, but it it's actually not like that.
这之所以这么疯狂，是因为你实际上无法将它与任何事情比较。
Why this is so crazy is because you actually can't compare it to anything.
你甚至无法将它与桑多瓦尔比较。
You can't even compare it to Sandoval.
就是没法比。
Like, you just can't.
这是最好的赌注，也是最好的友谊。
It's the bet and it's the best friendship.
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