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比利·马格努森和扎克·加利凡纳基斯主演AMC及AMC+全新剧集《大胆》。
Billy Magnussen and Zach Galifianakis star in the new series, The Audacity on AMC and AMC plus.
影响力上升，人们分崩离析，硅谷精英们的CEO崩溃已是家常便饭。
Influence rises, people unravel, and CEO meltdowns are business as usual among Silicon Valley elite.
本剧由乔纳森·格拉策尔担任执行制片人，他曾是《继承之战》和《风骚律师》的编剧兼制片人。
Executive produced by Jonathan Glatzer, a writer producer of Succession and Better Call Saul.
每周日独家在AMC和AMC+观看《大胆》的新剧集。
Watch new episodes of The Audacity, Sundays exclusively on AMC and AMC plus.
今天是4月17日，星期五。
It is Friday, April 17.
克雷格和我刚从电影行业盛会CinemaCon回来，这场盛会位于拉斯维加斯凯撒宫。
Craig and I are just back from CinemaCon, the big movie theater convention at Caesars Palace in Las Vegas.
我们再次迎着烟雾弥漫的空气和调皮的电动滑板车，参加了几乎所有重要的发布会和派对。
We again braved the smoky air and rascal scooters and went to pretty much all the big presentations and parties.
感谢所有在我试图避开制片方公关人员——他们总问我对他们的预告片真实看法——或者在环球派对上大吃寿司时跟我打招呼的人。
Thanks to everyone who said hello as I was trying to avoid the studio PR people asking what I really thought of their trailers or while I was stuffing my face with Nobu Sushi at the Universal party.
我确实在派对上问了克里斯托弗·诺兰一些重要的问题，比如他有没有看过那些他穿过拥挤的城市街道前往IMAX影院的视频。
I did make sure to ask Chris Nolan the important questions of that party, like whether he's seen those videos of himself walking through the crowded city walk to get to the IMAX Movie Theater.
剧透警告。
Spoiler alert.
他确实看过。
He has seen them.
今年在CinemaCon，我听到好几个人说，这是后疫情时代最热情、出席人数最多的一届展会。
I heard several people at CinemaCon this year note that it was the most enthusiastic and well attended convention of the post COVID era.
我觉得我同意这个看法。
I think I agree with that.
这可能是因为今年的票房比去年增长了20%以上。
Probably because the box office is up more than 20% this year.
但更重要的是，人们怀有一种希望：如果亚马逊能持续推出《星际过客》这样的电影，而传统制片厂也重新回归有意义的院线窗口期——而事实上，最近这种情况正变得越来越普遍——影院依然有生存的机会。
But it's also because there's a sense of hope that if Amazon can keep releasing movies like Project Hail Mary and the traditional studios all return to meaningful theatrical windows, which is pretty much happening these days more and more at least, theaters actually have a chance at survival.
话虽如此，这些演示中也有一些精彩内容，不少是无关紧要的片段，一些我们已经看过上千遍的恐怖惊吓桥段，还有一些真正让人瞠目结舌的瞬间。
Having said that, there were some great stuff in these presentations, a lot of kinda whatever footage, some horror scares we've seen a thousand times, and some true WTF what the hell moments.
现在是时候对这些演示进行排名了。
So now it's time to rank the presentations.
为此，我邀请了我《The Ringer》播客网络的同事肖恩·芬内西和阿曼达·多宾斯。
For that, I have enlisted my fellow Ringer Podcast Network colleagues, Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins.
他们主持着一档非常受欢迎的电影播客《The Big Picture》。
They host The Big Picture, a very popular movie podcast.
与我不同，他们品味绝佳。
Unlike me, they have great taste.
如果你想了解他们对每部电影的见解，我们在《The Big Picture》的独立频道里做了一次专门的对话。
If want their takes and mind on the individual movies, we did a separate chat on The Big Picture feed.
今天我们《The Town》的排名，当然聚焦于商业层面。
Our rankings today on The Town are about the business, of course.
这些即将上映的电影能吸引到观众吗？
Will these upcoming movies find an audience?
明星们在推广这些电影时尽职尽责了吗？
Did the stars do their jobs properly in promoting them?
为什么有些高管居然被允许发言，而他们连个提词器都读不好？
Why in the world were some executives allowed to speak when they can't even read a damn teleprompter?
诸如此类，等等。
Etcetera, etcetera.
今天，我们要对各大电影公司及其在CinemaCon上的展示进行排名。
Today, we're gonna rank the studios and their CinemaCon presentations.
好的，差的，还有宇宙之主。
The good, the bad, and the masters of the universe.
来自The Ringer和Puck，我是马特·贝洛尼，欢迎收听《The Town》。
From The Ringer and Puck, I'm Matt Belloni, this is The Town.
好的。
Okay.
我们现在位于洛杉矶市中心The Ringer总部，现场直播，和The Big Picture播客的肖恩·芬内西、阿曼达·多宾斯，以及我过去一周在CinemaCon的座友们在一起。
We are here live in person at The Ringer headquarters in Downtown Los Angeles with Sean Fennessey, Amanda Dobbins of The Big Picture podcast, and my seatmates at CinemaCon for the past week.
除了在恐怖片预告片播放时玩《与朋友玩单词》之外，我还有哪里惹人烦吗？
What did I do that was annoying other than playing Words With Friends during the horror trailers?
哦，天哪。
Oh, no.
我没注意到。
I didn't notice that.
我觉得，听我说，我们每个人都得用自己能接受的方式应对。
And I think, listen, we all have to cope in the way that we can.
我真的不想再看到有人被匕首刺穿了。
I just can't see another dagger go through someone's head.
是的。
Yeah.
你对我的小黄人粉丝的热情不太支持，但你知道，我是支持小黄人的。
You were not very supportive of my minions enthusiasm, but, you know I am pro minions.
我们是
We are
是关于支持小黄人的播客。
in pro minions podcast.
你和罗伯特·德尼罗。
You and Robert De Niro.
是的。
Yeah.
我们是。
We are.
好吧。
Alright.
谢谢你能来。
So thank you for coming on.
我们将对这些演讲进行排名。
We are gonna go through our rankings of the presentations.
我们将根据以下标准进行评判。
We are going to judge them on the following criteria.
好吧？
Okay?
他们有料吗？
Did they have the goods?
这是第一条，嗯。
That's the number one Mhmm.
标准。
Criteria.
为此，我需要你们对这些电影的看法。
And for that, I will need your opinions on the movies.
正如我们在节目中所知，我对电影质量的看法并不重要。
As we know in the show, my opinions about the quality of movies do not matter.
我在这里是评判电影的商业表现。
I am here to judge the business of the movies.
但关键是产品的质量，也就是素材、预告片、片段等等。
But it's the quality of the goods, it's the materials, the trailers, the footage, etcetera.
第二点，明星魅力。
Number two, star power.
他们请了谁？
Who did they get there?
当时特朗普在城里，私人飞机跑道都堵住了，闹出了大风波。
There was a big drama because Trump was in town, and the private jet runways were clogged up.
一些迪士尼的艺人昨天不得不坐商业航班。
Some of the Disney talent had to fly commercial yesterday.
哎呀，真丢脸。
Oh, for shame.
我知道。
I know.
太糟糕了，太糟糕了。
Awful, awful.
巨石强森能坐得进那些商务舱座位吗？
Can The Rock fit in those business class seats?
这看起来就像一部由凯文·哈特主演的奈飞电影。
That seems like it would that seems like a Netflix movie with Kevin Hart.
我们在这档播客里可以说这话。
We can say that on this podcast.
我们不是在奈飞上播出。
We are not on Netflix.
由凯文·哈特和巨石强森主演的二等片。
Second class starring Kevin Hart and The Rock.
所以明星效应指的是谁到场了、他们如何被使用、谁没出现，而且我们会因为有些人待得太久而扣分。
So star power is who was there, how they were used, who did not show up, and we're gonna we're gonna deduct some points for overstaying their welcome.
好东西太多也不行。
Too much of a good thing.
是的。
Yeah.
好的。
Okay.
好吧？
Alright?
然后第三点是这些演示本身。
And then three is the presentations themselves.
制作水准、人才运用、时长、高管表现。
Production value, use of talent length, executive performance.
我们知道这些不是专业表演者。
We know these are not professional performers.
嗯。
Mhmm.
但这些高管中，天哪，真的，交接得真到位。
But some of these execs, like, Jesus Christ, like, pass the baton Yes.
如果你在台上都不自在的话。
If you're not going to be comfortable on stage.
明白？
Okay?
好的。
Alright.
那我们来逐个看看排名。
So let's go through the rankings.
谁想第一个分享他们的一号演示？
Who would like to go first for their number one presentation?
我感觉我们都会选同一个。
I have a feeling we are all going to pick the same one.
我们
We're
不会。
not.
我们他是扎克。
We're So he's Zach.
我说过，
I said,
你想要吗？你愿意先来吗？
do you want it so would you like to?
是的。
Yeah.
我来开始吧，因为我知道你们接下来要讲什么。
I'll start because I know you got where you guys are going.
我选择华纳兄弟。
I'm I'm choosing Warner Brothers.
哇哦。
Now I Woah.
我觉得华纳兄弟的演示与我们在CinemaCon通常看到的有些不同。
I thought Warner Brothers presentation was a little bit unusual relative to what we usually get at CinemaCon.
第一，花了很多时间讲2025年发生的事。
One, a lot of time spent on what happened in 2025.
惊人的成功。
The incredible success.
他们有人
They someone
他们需要一个编辑，因为他们用12种不同的方式呈现了相同的事实。
they need an editor because they presented the same facts in 12 different ways.
嗯。
Mhmm.
你知道我们赢得了有史以来最多的奥斯卡奖吗？
Did you know we won the most Oscars that we have in our history?
你知道我们平了制片厂历史上最多提名纪录吗？
Did you know we tied the record for the most nominations for for a studio?
是的。
Yes.
所有这些。
All of that.
对。
Yeah.
这太长了。
It was very long.
太长了。
Too long.
它奢华过度，且并不总是体贴周到。
It was extravagant and not always considerate.
然而，根据你设定的标准，嗯。
However, by the criteria that you've set Mhmm.
他们必须在结尾的展示中同时呈现最出色的片段和最具明星魅力的瞬间。
They had to meet the single best piece of footage and the best moment of star power in the same presentation at the conclusion.
好的。
Okay.
他们拼图的最后一块是《沙丘3》。
Which was their last piece of the puzzle was Dune part three.
是的。
Yes.
对我们来说，这是一部令人兴奋的大片。
Which for us is a huge movie that we're all excited about.
一部传奇电影，但在台上并没有被真正讨论。
A legendary movie which was not really discussed on stage.
它被呈现为一部重磅作品。
It was presented as a big one.
随便吧。
Whatever.
确实如此。
Very true.
我同意。
I agree.
那是整个活动中最出色的单部电影展示。
That was the best individual movie presentation of the entire thing.
当你看明星魅力时，他们不仅有导演丹尼斯，还有赞达亚和提莫西，这两位目前最顶尖的巨星，而且片段也精彩得令人难以置信。
When you look at star power, they not only had the filmmaker and Denis, they had Zendaya, they had Timmy, the two biggest stars out there right now, and the footage was unbelievably good.
这简直是整个周末，我该说是一整周的热议话题。
It it was really the talk of of the entire weekend or week, I should say.
而且不仅如此，而且
And then on top of that And
他们心里有数。
they knew it.
他们以它作为结尾。
They they finished with it.
是的。
Yeah.
他们特意用这个作为收尾。
And they they closed with that for a reason.
而且除此之外，他们还展示了很多有趣的内容。
And then on top of that, thought they had a lot of interesting stuff.
你知道的？
You know?
《掘金者》中，汤姆·克鲁斯登台了，嗯。
The Digger, Tom Cruise was on stage Mhmm.
他正在与亚历杭德罗·冈萨雷斯和奥里图讨论他们的新电影，这部电影至少堪称大胆，甚至可能非常出色。
Talking with Alejandro Gonzalez and Oritu about their new film, which seems audacious at a minimum, and maybe even quite good.
他的表演看起来非常令人兴奋，而且他全身心投入了这部电影，从他出席现场就能看出来。
And his performance looks very exciting, and he's all in on this movie, as you can tell by his attendance there.
还有几个其他的亮点。
There were also a couple of other components.
我觉得他们推出的新厂牌《Clockwork》以及宣布肖恩·贝克的电影将属于这个厂牌，真的令人兴奋。
I thought the introduction of Clockwork, the new shingle that they're doing, and the announcement of Sean Baker's film being a part of that shingle was really exciting.
他们成功地把这个秘密保守到了正式公布为止。
And they managed to keep that secret until they announced it.
这件事原本不会被报道出来，这真是很厉害。
It would had not been reported, which is a big flex.
是的。
Yes.
还有一些其他影片，就我个人而言，我非常期待，比如《鬼玩人》电影、《橡树街的尽头》、大卫·罗伯特·米切尔执导的由安妮·海瑟薇主演的新片，还有给八零后们看的《真人快打2》。
And then a handful of other, like, titles just for me personally that I'm I'm excited about, an Evil Dead movie, The End of Oak Street, the new David Robert Mitchell movie starring Anne Hathaway, Mortal Kombat two for the for the eighties kids out there.
所以在演讲的中间部分，内容已经足够丰富了。
So there was enough there in the middle of the presentation.
他们还请了帕顿·奥斯瓦尔特担任这场活动的主持人，他可是个公认的电影狂热爱好者。
And they also had Patton Oswald, who was a confirmed movie freak, as the kind of host for this entire
但整个氛围太谄媚了。
But it was so sycophantic.
我受不了这种东西。
Can't stand that.
如果这是在动漫展上，倒也罢了。
If that's for Comic Con.
是的。
Mhmm.
在动漫展上就这么搞吧。
Do that at Comic Con.
这些都是专业人士。
These are professionals.
这些都是影院老板。
These are theater owners.
你没必要对着演员们一味地阿谀奉承一个半小时。
Like, you don't have to just be slobbering all over the talent for for an hour and a half.
是的。
Yeah.
对我来说，我把华纳排在第四位。
It to me, I have Warner's as my fourth.
我处于中间立场。
So I'm in the middle.
我把他们排在第二，因为我同意肖恩的观点，明星效应确实无可否认，而且是最亮点。
I have them at number two because I agree with Sean that the star power was undeniable and the highlight.
你甚至都没提到桑德拉·布洛克和
You didn't even mention Sandra Bullock and
没错。
That's right.
妮可·基德曼出来推介《魔幻迷宫》第二部。
Nicole Kidman who came out to present Practical Magic two.
从最高处的看台欣赏她们的风采，真是令人陶醉。
And it was wonderful to just bask in their glow from the from the nosebleeds.
所以我认为她们吸引了很多人。
So I I think that they had a lot of people.
她们确实有汤姆·克鲁斯。
They did have Tom Cruise.
她们有很多亮眼的时刻。
They had a lot of splashy moments.
她们确实有一个负面之处。
They did have one negative.
所以你说，根据你的标准，我们要对出错的地方进行扣分。
And so you said that according to your criteria, we're going to subtract for things gone awry.
超女也在这舞台上。
And, Supergirl was on this stage.
而且
And
我认为，无论是从呈现本身来看，还是从出演的杰森·莫玛和米莉·阿尔科克来看，
I don't think either in terms of the presentation itself, which featured Jason Momoa and Millie Alcock.
米莉·阿尔科克穿着一件香奈儿超女毛衣，我觉得他们之后可能会要求她归还——她根本没做好准备。
Millie Alcock wearing a Chanel Supergirl sweater that I think they're going to ask, to be returned after her- she just wasn't prepped.
就像去年德文·科伦的汗衫也没做好准备一样。
Much like Devon Koren's sweat was not prepped last year.
但是
But
我不明白这一点。
I don't understand this.
去年他们对这一部分的呈现已经收到过负面反馈。
They had negative feedback to that part of the presentation last year.
而今年，他们又重演了一遍。
And this year, they just ran it back.
他们完全照搬了上次的做法。
They did the exact same thing.
而且不知怎么的，这次还更长了。
And somehow it went even longer.
主持人显得更加没准备好，嗯。
The the presenters were less ready Mhmm.
尽管提的问题都是最简单的 softball 问题。
Even though the questions were the most softball questions.
问题是：你最喜欢哪个具体场景？
It was what was a specific scene that you enjoyed?
米莉·阿尔科克根本答不上来。
Millie Alcock did not have an answer.
根本没人教她基本的媒体应对技巧，一无所知。
There was no one feeding her one specific This is press training one zero one.
我不知道这是怎么发生的。
I do not know how it happens.
彼得·萨弗兰在这些情况下其实表现得很好，也很有趣，他是DC的联合负责人。
And and Peter Safran is actually good and fun in these situations that co head of DC.
有一刻，他问她和狗一起工作的感觉如何。
At one point, he asked her what it was like working with the dog.
简直想让我一拳打在脸上。
Like, punch me in the face.
她还说：
And she also was like,
根本就没有狗。
there was no dog.
她说：别相信你在屏幕上看到的东西。
She's like, don't believe what you believe on the screen.
别承认根本没有狗。
Do not admit there's not a dog.
我知道。
I know.
哦，狗？
Like, oh, the dog?
我得假装自己和一只狗对戏？
I'm supposed to pretend that I acted opposite a dog?
那是电脑特效。
That's CGI.
然后我得说实话，他们展示的素材在我看来没完没了而且糟糕透顶。
And then I have to be honest, the footage that they showed was, never ending and dire in my opinion.
我觉得那看起来
I thought that that looked
她根本没什么毛病。
She just had no bad.
她没有魅力，也没有做好准备。
She had she had no charisma, was not prepped.
不。
No.
而且这真的很尴尬。
And it it was just embarrassing.
如果你要这么做，就认真做。
Like, if you're gonna do it, do it.
是的。
Yeah.
而且我一次又一次地感到，他们又像去年那样，把人请来进行对话，而这些问题都是由十位公关人员撰写的。
And felt that way over and over again where they did the same thing as as last year where they they bring people out to have a conversation where the questions are written by 10 publicists.
嗯。
Mhmm.
每个艺人的答案还要经过四位公关人员审核。
They're approved by four publicists for each talent.
但为什么没人给出真实回答呢？
But yet no one's given answers?
而且这根本就是一堆空洞的东西。
And there's and it's just a whole lot of nothing.
问题是，确实有一些人非常擅长这种事。
The thing is is that there are some people who are really good at this kind of thing.
这周我们看到了几个例子。
We saw a few examples of it this week.
我们看到了杰克·布莱克。
We saw Jack Black.
你只要把杰克·布莱克送上舞台就行。
You just put Jack Black on stage.
他一直在舞台上表演，是的。
He's been performing on stage Yeah.
已经三十五年了。
For thirty five years.
他在这种环境中非常自在。
He's incredibly comfortable in environments like that.
他知道如何把握笑点。
He knows how to hit his laugh lines.
他知道如何制造激情。
He knows how to be exciting.
巨石强森在《海洋奇缘》的演示中即兴发挥了一十分钟，因为他天生擅长这种事。
The Rock vamped during the Moana presentation for ten minutes because he's gifted at that kind of thing.
我想是吧。
I guess so.
那场演讲相当散漫，主要讲的是当个女孩老爸和赋能女性，但我后来就走神了。
It was fairly aimless and about being a girl dad and empowering women, which I tuned out at some point.
说实话，如果你让95%的好莱坞明星上台做这种事，他们都会搞砸。
Honestly, if you put 95% of Hollywood stars on stage to do something like that, they would fail.
是的。
Yes.
他们根本无法掌控现场。
They would not be able to hold the moment.
所以你不能让那些不懂如何做这项工作的人上台。
And so you just can't put people up there who don't know what who don't know who don't know how to do that work.
他们做不到。
They don't do it.
我知道。
I know.
让他们录一段
Have them record a
视频。
video.
那是华纳兄弟演示中最糟糕的部分。
That was by far the low point of the Warner Brothers presentation
绝对是。
by far.
我只是觉得其中一些内容很烦人。
I just it just some of it was annoying.
你提到他们一遍又一遍地自我表扬。
You mentioned them patting themselves on the back over and over again.
很好。
Great.
完全没有提到新娘。
No mention of the bride.
完全没有提到今年可能不会像去年那样，一点都没提。
No mention of the fact that this year is not gonna match likely what they did last like, none of that.
他们一遍又一遍地谈论奥斯卡，但影院老板根本不在乎奥斯卡。
They talked over and over about Oscars, and the theater owners do not give a shit about Oscars.
他们关心的是票房。
They want box office.
他们还大谈原创性，这很好。
They also had this whole originality pitch, which great.
去年他们有原创爆款，而他们现在就靠着这些成绩吃老本。
They had original hits last year, and that's kinda what they've been dining out on.
但你一边强调原创性，一边又推出两部DC电影，嗯。
But you do the originality pitch, and then you present two DC movies Mhmm.
一部《沙丘》，一部《指环王》，一部《鬼玩人》，一部《权力的游戏》电影，嗯。
A Dune, a Lord of the Rings, an Evil Dead, a Game of Thrones movie Mhmm.
一部《武器》的衍生剧，还有《实用魔法》第二部。
A Weapon spin off, Practical Magic two.
我说，伙计们，我们到底在干什么？
It's like, guys, what are we doing?
是的。
Yeah.
嗯，他们现在的处境非常复杂。
Well, they're I mean, they're a very complicated position right now.
是的。
Yeah.
因为这个片单会不会被并入一家更大的公司呢？
Because are is is that slate gonna be absorbed into a larger company or not?
他们现在是否需要这样的大项目，还是应该多尝试一些新的方向？
And do do they need to have big projects like this, or should they be taking more bets right now?
我认为，考虑到这家工作室目前的处境，他们已经很好地卖出了自己的片单。
I I find that given the situation that that studio is in, I think that they sold their slate pretty well.
这让我觉得他们并不会马上被吞并，变成像博格人一样的存在。
And it made me feel not like they were about to become a like a part of the Borg.
他们确实没有提到或承认过这一点。
And they they certainly did not mention it or acknowledge No.
在任何时刻都没有。
At any point.
但他们的表态其实已经很明确了。
Well, but the messaging was pretty clear.
我跟一个人聊过，他称之为一场葬礼。
I mean, one person I talked to called it funer funerial.
嗯。
Mhmm.
意思是，这就像十年前福克斯的汤姆·罗斯曼在作为独立工作室的最后一场演示中播放二十世纪福克斯片头曲一样。
Meaning, this is the their equivalent of when Tom Rothman who was at Fox ten years ago got up and played the twentieth Century Fox fanfare during the last presentation of twentieth Century Fox as a standalone studio.
他们把这次视为华纳兄弟作为独立工作室的最后一次演示。
They looked at this as the final Warner Brothers presentation as a standalone studio.
他们真的在最后把所有高管都请上台，既像是庆祝，又像是在招人。
They literally brought up all the executives at the end and, like, put them on stage as kind of a both congratulations and also maybe want a help wanted.
嗯。
Mhmm.
嗯。
Mhmm.
这简直就像只有一个观众。
Like, this kind of had an audience of one.
嘿，大卫·埃里森。
Like, hey, David Ellison.
我们去年干得不错。
We we did well last year.
我们拥有大量的系列作品。
We've got tons of franchise.
你喜欢系列作品吗？
You like franchises?
我们正在制作一部《权力的游戏》电影。
We're doing a Game of Thrones movie.
嗯。
Mhmm.
他们把所有内容都写进了新闻稿，然后像最后一搏一样一股脑儿发给了所有人。
Like, they put it all in the press release and just fire hosed it out to everyone as one last stand.
如果你现在必须说，到2028年，迈克和帕姆还会负责华纳兄弟的电影片单吗？
If you had to say right now, in 2028, will Mike and Pam be running the Warner Brothers film slate?
2028年？
In '28?
如果我能在博彩应用上下注，我会说会。
I if I was on a betting app, I would say yes.
但如果他们负责索尼，我也不觉得意外。
But it would not surprise me if they were running Sony.
是的。
Yeah.
这本来就是计划。
That was the plan.
对。
Yeah.
我也想过这一点。
And this crossed my mind as well.
比如说
Let's say
如果罗特曼在披头士电影之后离职，是的。
if Rothman leaves after the Beatles movies Yeah.
那么他们就需要一个人了。
Then they need someone.
他们已经这么做过几次了。
Like, they've done this a couple times.
他们让一家电影公司花大笔钱，然后把它卖出去。
They've gotten a movie studio to spend a lot of money and then be sold.
他们也可以对索尼这么做。
They could do it for Sony too.
嗯，我看过他们的表演，他们之间的互动很有意思。
Well, that I I saw their performance, and they have a very funny back and forth energy.
但我看过
But I saw
他们的低俗笑话。
their boob joke.
迈克开了个玩笑。
Mike made a joke.
他总是有点擦边。
Always gets a little close to the line there.
你开了个玩笑，说在剧院里摸乳房，然后
You made a joke about, like, grabbing boobs in a theater and
嗯，这跟帕特和奥斯瓦尔德的笑话有关。
Well, it was related to Pat and Oswald's joke.
帕特和奥斯瓦尔德的，不管怎样
Pat and and Oswald's Anyhow
这个笑话没太逗乐大家。
It didn't quite land.
感觉他们那像是在试镜一样。
It felt like a little bit of an audition from them too.
嗯。
Mhmm.
有点像是在展示：看我们做了什么，看我们能做什么。
A little bit of a, like, look at what we did and look at what we can do.
我们既能运营IP，也能做原创内容，这正是我们的专长。
We can manage IP and also we can do the original stuff, and that's our skill set.
所以你不觉得其中一部分也是他们在炫耀自己这一年的成就吗？因为去年这个时候，还有去年的演示上，他们的工作状况非常糟糕。
So don't you think some of it was also them trumpeting their own year at because at this time last year and at the presentation last year, their jobs were very They much
当时简直是等死。
were dead men walking.
是的。
Yes.
还有那个平衡。
And the balance.
而一年后，至少对他们来说，情况好转了。
And they are a year later and things are going well, at least for them.
暂时吧。
For now.
好吧。
For Alright.
那我们继续谈吧，我猜这既是你的头号话题，也是我的头号话题。
So let's move on to what I assume is your number one and is my number one.
你愿意接手吗？
Would you like to take the reins?
是的。
It is.
没错，我认为又是环球影业。
It is once again, I believe Universal.
不过今年环球的发布会与去年大不相同，去年那场可是盛况空前。
Though this year's Universal presentation was very different from last year's, which was big on fanfare.
他们请来了交响乐团演奏所有经典配乐。
They had the Symphony Orchestra playing all of the great music.
他们还安排了很多梅根的片段，一大堆小品。
They had a bunch of Meggans, like a lot of bits.
而今年，他们根本不需要搞那些花里胡哨的东西，因为斯皮尔伯格就在现场，还带来了一部斯皮尔伯格的电影。
And this year, they didn't need to do any, you know, showy stuff because they had Spielberg in the house and a Spielberg movie.
他们还请来了克里斯托弗·诺兰，以及一部诺兰的电影。
They had Christopher Nolan in the house and a Christopher Nolan movie.
他们有小黄人。
They have the minions.
他们刚刚展示了《超级马里奥银河》。
They just had Super Mario Galaxy.
他们的电影内容相当少。
They it was pretty light on movie How
你居然不提《其他妈妈》？
dare you not mention Other Mommy?
哦，《吹房子》这部电影。
Oh, The The Blowhouse movie.
它在里面。
It's in it.
这是有史以来最棒的片名，授予了我。
It's the greatest title ever to be bestowed upon I'm a
他们对那些小制作也很兴奋。
excited about their smaller stuff.
你知道吗，他们好像在Focus Link上有《理智与情感》。
You know, they like they have Sense and Sensibility on the Focus Link.
他们还有《只此一夜》，你不太明白它的剧情，但没关系。
They have One Night Only, which you don't understand the premise of, but that's okay.
我们一起弄清楚吧。
We'll find out together.
所以他们《人类清除计划》，这部浪漫喜剧很好地概括了这部电影。
So they The Purge, the rom com is is a good encapsulation of that movie.
是的。
Yes.
但你难道不会去看《人类清除计划》这部浪漫喜剧吗？
But also like aren't won't you go see The Purge, the rom com?
也许吧。
Maybe.
也许？
Maybe?
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好的。
Okay.
我喜欢莫妮卡·巴贝罗，是的。
I do like Monica Barbaro and Yeah.
科林·特纳。
Colin Turner.
所以，不，他们确实有很多小制作，但他们其实不需要刻意扩充片单，因为他们有《披露日》，你知道，即使从票房角度来看，这还是个未知数。
So, no, they they have a lot of smaller stuff, but they didn't really need to pad it out because they have Disclosure Day, which, you know, even if I know from a box office perspective, that's something of a question mark.
但比如，他们仍然可以说：嘿，你看。
But, like, they can still say, hey, look.
这是史蒂文·斯皮尔伯格的作品，我们有一部全新的史蒂文·斯皮尔伯格外星人电影。
It's Steven Spielberg, and we have a new Steven Spielberg alien movie.
而且他从未参加过影院大会。
And he's never been to CinemaCon.
很有趣。
Fascinating.
理解这怎么可能。
Understand how that's possible.
太疯狂了。
It's crazy.
是的。
Yeah.
也许他过去有足够的影响力可以说不，但他对此并不感兴趣。
I you would maybe he would had enough clout to say no in the past, and he just wasn't interested in that.
但简直难以置信。
But unbelievable.
他从未去过。
He's never been.
对。
Yeah.
还有诺兰和两段《小黄人》的片段。
And and Nolan and and two clips from the minions.
我知道。
I know.
我以为我们会出第三部。
I thought we were getting a third.
我
I
知道。
know.
我本来确信我们会出第三部。
I was confident we would get a third.
我心想，天哪。
I'm like, oh my god.
他有没有开始谈论剧情？
Has he started, like, talking about the plot?
比如
Like
他把整部电影都复述了一遍。
He recapped the entire movie.
我本来很期待《小黄人大战怪物》。
I was I'm excited for minions versus monsters.
我不希望剧透。
I didn't want it spoiled.
我知道。
I know.
我们还看到了罗伯特·德尼罗81岁高龄的肱二头肌，出现在一部新喜剧电影里。
We also got Robert De Niro's 81 year old biceps in a new comedy movie.
你。
You.
你。
You.
福克纳在法律界。
Faulkner in law.
是的
Yeah.
福克纳在法律界。
Faulkner in law.
而且，你知道，这并不是一个推崇本·斯蒂勒的播客。
And, you know, this is this is not a pro Ben Stiller podcast.
我们以前对他有意见，我觉得他在圈内的声誉并不好。
We've had our issues with him, and I think his reputation in town is not great.
嗯哼。
Mhmm.
但我认为这部电影会成功的。
But I think this movie will work.
我也这么觉得。
I do too.
是的
Yeah.
我也是。
I do too.
而且克雷格肯定也是。
And and Craig certainly does.
我加入。
I'm in.
我加入。
I am in.
是的。
Yeah.
阿丽亚娜·格兰德也加入其中。
Ariana Grande in into the mix here.
德尼罗，一如既往地迷人。
De Niro, charming as ever.
是的。
Yeah.
而且你知道，当涉及到颁奖典礼的时候。
And, you know, when when it's like award shows.
当这些人能把那些为他们写好的无聊闲谈变得有趣时，效果就出来了。
When these people can take the stupid banter that's written for them and kind of make it fun, then it works.
是的。
Yeah.
意思是，
Mean,
他们让这一切顺利进行了。
They made it work.
还有，你知道，本·斯蒂勒主持了十年的MTV电影奖，他在那种环境中非常自在。
Also, you know, ten years of hosting the MTV Movie Awards for Ben Stiller, where he's just, like, very comfortable in that environment.
而且，你知道，这三部电影的质量参差不齐，但都取得了成功，而这部新的《福克纳法律》几乎肯定会大获成功。
And they, you know, those all three of those movies are varying degrees of of quality, but they all were successes, and this new Faulkner in law is gonna be almost certainly a big hit.
你知道，有趣的是，他们实际上只请了杰克·布莱克、本·斯蒂勒、罗伯特·德尼罗，还有史蒂文·斯皮尔伯格、科尔曼·多明戈和克里斯托弗·诺兰。
I you know, it's interesting that they literally only had had Jack Black, Ben Stiller, Robert De Niro, and then Steven Spielberg and Coleman Domingo, and Chris Nolan.
Snoop Dogg 开场了。
And and Snoop Dogg opened.
Snoop 开场了。
Snoop opened.
还有环球影业的负责人唐娜·朗利，我认为她可能是唯一一个能和Snoop玩得那么开心的电影公司高管。
And Donna Langley, the head of Universal, she is, I think, probably the only studio head that could have mixed it up with Snoop in a way that was fun.
是的。
Yes.
他稍微逗了她一下，这种互动很有趣，嗯。
And him kind of nudging her a little was playful Mhmm.
而且一点都不无聊。
And it wasn't lame.
她还拿汤姆·罗斯曼开了个玩笑，嗯。
She also took a shot at Tom Rothman Mhmm.
在她的演讲中，她说自己不会像他那样对所有人大喊大叫。
During her presentation saying she wasn't gonna scream at everybody like he did.
他让他们做什么来着？
He told them to, what was it?
别再打广告的主意了。
Get off the ad crack.
他确实这么做了。
He did.
是的。
Yeah.
这一点我也很尊重。
Which I also respect.
他为此加分了。
He gets points for that.
但她两次针对他，这也值得加分。
But she gets points for going after him, twice actually.
还有，她提到了他使用的奥运五环标志，而他们显然与奥运会有关联。
That and she said something about the Olympic rings, which he used, and they obviously have the Olympics relations.
他侵犯了版权，等等。
He violated the copyright So on
所以她因此得分，他们也因为整体表现和让两位传奇人物登台播放片段而得分。
so she gets point she gets points for that, and they get points for overall presentation and having two legends on stage showing footage.
我认为他们播放了一整部电影，这也会加分。
I also think the fact that they showed an entire movie gets you plus.
他们播放了一整部梦工厂的电影《被遗忘的岛屿》，人们说这部电影非常棒。
They showed an entire movie, DreamWorks movie, Forgotten Island, which people said was very good.
我没去看。
I didn't go.
我知道我迟早得和孩子们一起看这部电影，所以我不想在那儿先看。
I know I'm gonna have to see this movie with my kids, so I didn't wanna see it there.
但如果你有足够信心播放整部电影，就会加分。
But you get points if you are confident enough to show a movie in full.
是的。
Yeah.
我觉得这很有道理。
I think that makes sense.
我们也没去看，原因完全一样，因为我们也打算和孩子一起看这部电影。
We didn't go see it for the exact same reason, because we'll just go see that movie with our kids as well.
但环球影业已经连续几年这么做了。
But Universal's done this a few years in a row now too.
他们通常对自己的作品很有信心，尤其是那些面向儿童的影片部门。
They usually are comfortable with their Yeah.
尤其是那些为儿童制作的电影，他们在这方面也很有把握。
With with the work that they have, especially in those divisions too with films made for for kids.
比如，给我们看了很多小黄人。
Like, showed us a lot of minions.
他们其实没必要给我们看那么多小黄人的片段。
They didn't have to show us as much of minions as they did.
是的。
Yes.
我认为斯皮尔伯格和诺兰都因此受益了。
And I think both Spielberg and Nolan got bumps out of this.
是的。
Mhmm.
尤其是斯皮尔伯格。
Especially Spielberg.
这至少从我的角度来看，缓解了人们对这部电影的很多疑虑。
That that calmed a lot of nerves about what that movie is, at least from my perspective.
诺兰其实并不需要这样。
Nolan didn't really need it.
我们反正都会去看的。
We're all gonna see it anyways.
但它让我非常兴奋。
But it got me very excited.
我还没看过那段素材。
I didn't I hadn't seen that footage yet.
所以
So
他在里面。
He's in there.
《奥德赛》的状态不错。
The The Odyssey is in a good spot.
是的。
Yes.
好的。
Alright.
第二项。
Number two.
我可以走了吗？
Can I go?
天啊。
God.
是的。
Yeah.
我要去迪士尼。
I'm going Disney.
稳定、无聊、有效。
Steady, boring, effective.
是的。
Yeah.
我 和
I And
我和，但有个前提，我错过了最后一部分，因为我得去写我的通讯。
I and with a caveat that I missed the last part of it because I had to go write my newsletter.
所以我没看到漫威的大结局曝光。
So I did not see the Big Avengers reveal.
我们可以聊聊这个。
We can talk about that.
即使没有毁灭日，你也要去迪士尼了。
Even without Doomsday, you're going Disney.
这真的非常有趣。
That's really fascinating.
你和我都把它排得低一点。
You and I both have it a bit lower.
是的。
Yes.
我确实如此。
I do.
我把它排在第四位。
I it at number four.
我也是。
As do I.
我本来差点把它排第一，但我本想看到迪士尼新任全内容主管达娜·沃尔登在那里首次重磅亮相。
I only did I I almost had it as one, but I would have liked to see Dana Walden, the new head of all content at Disney, make her big debut there.
她现在专注于电视剧了。
She is over movies now.
我知道。
I know.
我的意思是，她是一位职业电视高管。
I mean, she's a career TV executive.
她确实在那里。
She was there.
她来听了我和乔恩·费儒的对话。
She came to my talk with Jon Favreau.
我本希望看到她至少在台上露个面，出现一下。
I would have liked to see her on stage at least kind of making a presence.
迈克·霍普金斯，负责整个Prime Video的人，和她的职位类似。
Mike Hopkins, who runs all of Prime Video, just similar job to hers.
他到场了并发表了讲话，而她却没有。
He was there and spoke and she did not.
所以这有点奇怪。
So that was a little weird.
但我认为《玩具总动员5》会大获成功。
But I think that Toy Story five is going to be massive.
是的。
Yes.
而这正是影院老板们希望看到的。
And does exactly what these theater owners want.
我认为《曼达洛人》播放了十七分钟的片段，是一种信心的表态。
I think that Mandalorian showing seventeen minutes of it was a statement of confidence.
你并不喜欢那段素材。
You didn't love the footage.
我觉得它更好。
I thought it was better.
但播放它，显然他们觉得有必要为这部电影增强宣传氛围，而我认为他们确实做到了。
But showing it, like they they clearly felt they needed to to boost the narrative on that movie, and I think they kind of did.
你不同意吗？
Do you disagree?
不，我不反对。
No.
这表明他们相信这部电影，而且不像我说的那样担心。
It shows that they believe in it and that they are not as worried as I say it.
我觉得我们所有人，或者那些看过超级碗广告的人，都只是觉得，好吧，
I I think we all are or people who kind of see saw the Super Bowl commercial and are just like, okay,
有一些传言说他们对此感到担忧。
it's Well, there's some rumors that they're worried about it.
有人指出，在我们录制时，他们还没有上架票务。
Some have noted that the they haven't put tickets as we're taping.
他们至今还没有开始售票，有些人认为这可能是因为他们害怕票房表现。
They have not put tickets on for sale yet, which some have suggested might be because they're afraid of the results.
我不确定这是否属实。
I don't know that that's true.
我认为我们看到的早期追踪数据表现不错，但还没达到《星球大战》的水平。
I think that the early tracking that we've seen has been strong, but not Star Wars strong.
是的。
Yeah.
所以他们还有一些工作要做。
So they have some work to do.
我认为他们确实如此。
And I think they do that.
我的意思是，标准是什么？
Mean, what's the bar?
在过去五十年里，《星球大战》是观影体验的黄金标准。
Star Wars is the gold standard of movie going over the last fifty years.
对。
Right.
它是过去五十年来最具标志性的观影盛事。
It is it is the signature movie going event of the last fifty years.
所以这就是标准。
So that's that is the standard.
这是第一部从流媒体剧集转型为电影的作品，但同时也是《星球大战》，所以情况有点复杂。
This is the first streaming series to make the transition to a movie, but it's also Star Wars, so it's a little mixed up there.
但我认为他们在那里获得了一些助力。
But, I think they got a a boost there.
法夫罗，我知道我曾经在台上采访过他们。
Favro, I I know I interviewed them on stage.
必须说，他不仅对自己的电影，而且对整个行业都是一个很好的倡导者。
Must say, he's always a good advocate, not just for his movies, but for the industry at large.
他有着让影院从业者喜欢他的履历。
And he's got the track record where the theater people like him.
我认为明星效应非常好。
I think the star power was great.
嗯。
Mhmm.
所有你期待的明星，比如蒂姆·艾伦，他们都出现了。
All the stars you expected, Tim Allen, they got out there.
他们请到了，你知道的，巨石强森。
They got, you know, they got The Rock.
他们请到了
They got
是的。
Yeah.
汤姆·汉克斯。
Tom Hanks.
小罗伯特·唐尼。
Downey.
是的。
Yeah.
小罗伯特·唐尼和克里斯·埃文斯。
Robert Downey Junior, Chris Evans.
他们把所有明星都请出来了。
They got all their stars out.
对我来说，这其实就是《大画面》中提到的，他们通过影片片单实现了去风险化。
To me, it's really just that, you know, on The Big Picture, you use the phrase de risk is what they've done with their film slate.
但在我看来，他们的影片片单其实并不怎么吸引人。
And their film slate to me is just not that interesting.
这部电影很可能非常成功，今年他们已经推出了一部原创电影《霍珀斯》，但真正原创的内容几乎寥寥无几。
It is probably going to be very successful, And we've already seen an original movie from them this year with Hoppers, but there's not really hardly anything original.
撇开迪士尼本身不谈
Disney proper aside
还有《被施咒的》。
and hexed.
而且没放映《被施咒的》。
And didn't show hexed.
对吧？
Right?
不。
No.
他们放了。
They did.
放了
Showed
一段短片。
a short clip.
所以问题是，从呈现方式来看，他们并没有冒险，但整个演示过程中的能量确实一直低迷。
And so this this is the thing is that in terms of the presentation, they it was not risky, but the energy really, really did kind of fall throughout the, the presentation.
从曼多的前十七分钟开始，虽然很精彩，但太长了。
From the first seventeen minutes of Mando, which is exciting, but like long.
所以人们有点不确定它什么时候才会结束，你知道吗？
So people were kind of they weren't sure when it was going to stop, you know?
然后是《Hexed》，我觉得梅兰娜的片段在观众中引发的反响并不热烈。
And then and then Hexed, I would say that the Melana clip was, under enthusiastic in the room.
你知道，这些小电影都挺安静的。
You know, this the smaller movies kind of quiet.
所以总的来说，漫威这部片显得有点干巴巴的，很刻意。
So and then the Avengers of it all did feel a little thirsty and forced.
我知道它会表现得很好。
I know it's gonna do well.
就像，你知道的，
Like, I've you know
我已经这么说很久了。
been saying that for a long time.
人们曾嘲笑我，说你在说什么呢？
People have dunked on me saying, what are you talking about?
我不是说《复仇者联盟》不会表现好。
I am not saying that Avengers is not going to do well.
它一定会
It is going to
是的。
be Yeah.
巨大。
Huge.
但它现在要面对《沙丘3》。
But it is now up against Dune three.
《沙丘3》的走势非常强劲，而且它有观众觉得比这些漫威演员更新鲜的明星，而这些漫威演员只是在重复十年前受欢迎的老套路。
The Dune three trajectory is really strong, and it has movie stars that people feel are a lot fresher right now than these Marvel guys who are playing back the hits that were popular ten years ago.
还有小罗伯特·唐尼。
And Robert Downey Jr.
克里斯·埃文斯也再次登台，但就像在奥斯卡颁奖礼上一样，他们的化学反应根本不存在。
And Chris Evans were there on stage again, but like much like at as at the Oscars, their chemistry is not really there.
你看到了无限视界的宣布，那挺搞笑的，但就是……
You know, you had the announcement of Infinity Vision, which was like very funny, but it's just
我们在《大画面》节目里稍微聊过这个，但迪齐，算了吧。
We talked about this a little on The Big Picture, but Dizzy, come on.
什么？
What?
我的意思是，你不能指望我们看到这个还不拿它开玩笑。
Like, you cannot expect us to take this and not make fun of it.
我的意思是，这根本就是个笑话。
Never I mean, it is a joke.
这根本就是个笑话。
It is a joke.
他们正在把非IMAX的PLF影厅也纳入其中，嗯。
They are taking the non IMAX PLF screens Mhmm.
影展行业一直在讨论如何为非IMAX影厅打造品牌，让人们像对IMAX那样对它们产生兴趣。
Which the the exhibition industry has been talking about branding the non IMAX screens in some way that people will be excited about them in a way that they're excited about IMAX.
嗯。
Mhmm.
因为这些影院里，观众都会走过来说：请给我两张IMAX的票。
Because these theaters, people come up and say, two tickets in IMAX, please.
哦，我们不提供这个。
Oh, we don't offer that.
嗯。
Mhmm.
他们根本分不清区别。
Like, they don't they don't know the difference.
无限视觉？
Infinity Vision?
这能行得通吗？
Like, is this gonna work?
我觉得在海报上这么写是个不错的主意，长期来看可能真的有效。
I I I think it's like a helpful thing to put on a poster and might actually work long term.
但只是偶尔一次。
But anybody once.
现在任何谈论这个的人，大概都是在嘲笑它。
Anybody talking about it right now is probably making fun of it.
是的
Yeah.
并没有
There's no
根本没人会迫不及待想看到Infinity Vision在大银幕上究竟是什么样子、什么感觉。
one who's like, I cannot wait to see what Infinity Vision really looks and feels like on the big screen.
因为这完全是虚构的。
Because it it is invented.
它是一种创造，一种试图削弱对手的手段。
It is a it is a creation and an attempt to undermine the opposition.
它的运作目的就只是这些。
That's really all it's operating in.
而且还要从迪士尼那里拿走一点品牌价值，是的。
And and to make up to to take a little bit of brand equity out of Disney Mhmm.
然后把这些品牌价值分散到他们并不占优势的领域。
And spread it across the the an area where they don't have an advantage.
此外，《沙丘》占据了所有IMAX影厅。
Also, there Dune has all the IMAX screens.
这种体验是否需要额外付费？
Is there an upcharge attached to this experience?
这是我们得弄清楚的事情。
That's something we need to find out.
PLF格式的额外收费。
Upcharge of the PLF for whatever format.
但如果这样，Infinity Vision是否只在PLF影厅提供？
But if this this so is Infinity Vision only available on a PLF screen?
我认为是的。
I believe so.
是的。
Yeah.
它它
It it
我的意思是，他们没问我。
is I mean, they didn't ask me.
什么是PLF屏幕？
What PLF screen?
所以，比如在杜比屏幕上？
So, like, on a Dolby screen or
据我了解，所有的都会这样。
My understanding is it's going to be all of them.
如果你去看《复仇者联盟》的PLF屏幕场次，就没有IMAX了，所有这些都会被称为Infinity Vision。
If you go to see Avengers on a PLF screen, there's no IMAX, so all of it is going to be called Infinity Vision.
好的。
Okay.
我甚至都说不出口。
I can't even say it.
我们不太
We're not very
很兴奋。
excited.
一个认证。
A certification.
是的。
Yeah.
这就像是得到了官方认可的印章。
It's like this gets the stamp of approval.
这就像是另一张卡片，用来收集和推广你的《龙与地下城》其他内容。
It's like another, you know, card to collect marketing the rest of your Dungeons and Dragons.
这真是
This is
这是一种营销，这是道恩·德雷珀的特色。
a marketing this is a Dawn Draper special.
这是一种营销创新。
It is a marketing invention.
就像我是一名获得认证的获奖播客主持人一样。
In the same way that I am a certified award winning podcaster.
是的。
Yeah.
这意义重大。
Which means a lot.
我们赢了什么吗？
Did we win anything?
没有。
No.
我们什么都没赢。
We haven't won anything.
对。
Yeah.
没有。
No.
但感觉起来有点 desperation，或者说，他们暴露了弱点，所以你说得对，这只会让所有钱都流向他们。
But so it felt it felt a little desperate or just, you know, like they are showing signs of weakness, and that's why you're right that it's just gonna make all the money.
我知道这是商业播客，但我觉得肖恩和我有点抗拒
And I know this is the business podcast, but I think Sean and I are slightly resistant of
没关系。
That's okay.
只是
Just the
但如果《沙丘》能从《复仇者联盟》那里拿走几亿美元，是的。
But if Dune can take a couple 100,000,000 out of Avengers Yeah.
我觉得它能做到，但我有点晕。
Which I think it can, I'm worried if I'm dizzy.
嗯。
Mhmm.
因为如今漫威的叙事部分正需要这个。
Because part of the narrative of Marvel right now needs this.
嗯。
Mhmm.
他们需要这部电影超越预期。
They need this to exceed expectations.
他们不能让这部电影像《阿凡达3》那样表现。
They can't have this do what Avatar three did.
是的。
Yes.
以任何正常标准来看，15亿美元已经很棒了。
Which did great by any normal expectation.
15亿美元很棒。
1,500,000,000 is great.
以《阿凡达》的标准来看，这嗯。
By Avatar expectation, that's Mhmm.
有点不够好。
Kind of not great.
嗯。
Mhmm.
如果这部电影票房达到15亿，他们会满意吗？
And if this movie does 1.5, are they happy?
我不知道。
I don't know.
是的。
Yeah.
老实说，我认为这会给漫威工作室的长期计划带来巨大干扰。
I think it throws a real wrench into the long term plans of the Marvel studio, honestly.
我认为，如果《天启》的票房远低于《复仇者联盟》的预期，这正是我们多年来在这个节目中讨论过的问题。
I think if the if the if Doomsday significantly underperforms relative to Avengers expectations, it's something that we've talked about for many years on this show.
实际上，我第一次上这个节目时，我们就讨论过漫威作品质量下滑以及真正发生的事情。
Actually, I think the first time I came on the town, we talked about the dip in quality in Marvel and what was really happening with Marvel.
那几乎是五年前的事了。
And that was almost five years ago.
所以，这一直是一列缓慢驶向这一担忧的列车。
And so this has been a slow moving train towards this this concern.
现在，我们对这些事情越来越怀疑，因为他们没能扭转公众的情绪。
And a lot of this stuff now we're more and more suspicious of because they have not been able to turn the public sentiment.
这部电影仍然会赚很多钱。
The movie's still gonna make a lot of money.
是的。
Yeah.
这足够为这个行业未来十年的发展铺平道路吗？
It's is it enough for it to set the pathway for the next ten years in the business?
对。
Right.
好的。
Alright.
那你的第二名呢？
What about your number two?
我的第二名是环球公司，好吧。
My number two is Universal Okay.
出于所有
For all
出于
for
我们之前讨论过的所有原因。
all the reasons that we talked about.
那么我们来谈第三名。
So then let's go to number three.
是的。
Yeah.
我的第三名我换个思路。
I'm I'm zagging on my number three.
哦，求你了
Oh, please
你请说。
go ahead.
你和
You and
我们再次配对了。
I are once again matched.
你是也选了这个吗？
Are you on did you choose this as well?
没有。
No.
我和马特配对了。
I'm matched with Matt.
哦，好的。
Oh, okay.
你们配对了。
You guys are matched.
我选索尼。
I'm going with Sony.
哦，哇。
Oh, wow.
好的。
Okay.
原因如下，因为去年是一场灾难。
And here's why because last year was a disaster.
去年是《功夫熊猫》。
Last year was Karate Kid.
我错过了去年的《爱的 Beatles》。
I missed last And the the And the Beatles.
拖得太久的披头士内容，是的。
Drawn out Beatles stuff and yeah.
所以我错过了所有这些。
So I missed all that.
我不会说索尼拥有最好的电影片单。
I wouldn't say that Sony has the best film slate.
我不会说它是最有实力的电影公司，甚至不是最有趣的电影公司。
I wouldn't say it's the most powerful studio or even the most interesting studio.
我认为它有几项优势，对咱们玩的这个游戏很有帮助。
I think it has a couple of things that are helpful for this game that we're playing.
其中之一是，他们用巨石强森、杰克·布莱克和凯文·哈特主演的《勇敢者游戏》作为压轴，这三位都是大牌明星，虽然我对这部电影本身并不感兴趣，但他们确实做到了点子上。
One is that they closed the show with Dwayne The Rock Johnson, Jack Black, and Kevin Hart, who three very big movie stars in a Jumanji movie I don't really care about, but they hit the mark there.
我们能给CinemaCon上最佳使用杰克·布莱克的场合颁个奖吗？
Can we give an award for the best use of Jack Black at CinemaCon?
当然可以。
Yes.
他出席了三次演示活动。
He was there for three presentations.
他也在其中一次活动中出现了，
So was he for one of them,
他只在《我的世界2》中出镜了视频，但他唱了一版这首歌。
he He was just on only did a video for Minecraft two, but he did sing a version of the song.
是的。
Yes.
没错。
That's right.
但你知道吗，排练时他是为《超级马里奥》来的？
But you know, rehearsal, he was for Super Mario?
他出来为《超级马里奥》亮相，是的。
He came out for Super Mario Yes.
然后就表演了他的招牌桥段。
And just did his shtick.
对。
Yes.
所以我觉得，第一名可能是索尼，大概，大概吧。
So I'm gonna I think number one is probably the Sony Probably probably.
他当时在索尼的房间里。
And he was in the room for Sony.
是的。
Yes.
那么，据说他当时可能还在拉斯维加斯，但没有为华纳兄弟登台，这是什么意思？
So what does it say that he was presumably still in Las Vegas but did not come out on stage for Warner Brothers?
我们不知道他在哪里。
We don't know where he was.
是的。
Yes.
没错。
That's true.
也许我们可以确认或否认这一点。
Maybe we can either confirm or deny.
不知道。
Don't know.
也许可以观察一下。
Maybe observe.
也许他不想过度宣传，或者华纳不需要他，也不希望他出现，因为那部电影还要很久才上映。
Maybe he did not he didn't wanna overdo it or he or maybe Warner's didn't need him or want him because that movie's not coming out for a long time.
对。
Right.
还有关于索尼的其他事情。
Other things about Sony.
首先，显然有《蜘蛛侠：英雄无归》，当时现场有很多玩偶或粉丝。
One, obviously, have Spider Man Brand New Day, and they there was a lot of puppets or fans.
汤姆·霍兰德本人没有到场。
No Tom Holland in person.
他通过虚拟视频屏幕出现，这相当奇怪。
He was there via a virtual video screen, which is quite strange.
我之所以挑出这一点，是因为片单上还有很多我喜爱的电影。
The reason that I'm picking this and there are there are movies on the slate I love.
我对《生化危机》这部电影非常感兴趣。
I'm really interested in the Resident Evil movie.
他们有很多恐怖片看起来都很有趣。
There's lot of horror movies that they have that look interesting.
当宣布《夜莺》正式开拍，由芬宁姐妹主演时。
The night the announcement of the Nightingale officially happening with the Fanning sisters.
但汤姆·罗斯曼在他职业生涯的后期，对电影院说些风凉话，真是太棒了。
But Tom Rothman on the on the back three of his career, just talking shit to movie theaters Love it.
这简直太令人享受了
Was incredibly enjoyable to
太棒了。
Love it.
只有他能这么做。
Only he could do that.
而且观众并没有发出嘘声。
And there were they weren't booing.
不。
No.
但他们肯定不喜欢被人说他们得戒掉广告瘾。
But they certainly didn't love being told that they are they need to get off the ad crack.
是的。
Yes.
取消无休止的广告，并大幅缩短映前预热内容。
Get rid of the endless advertising and substantially shorten the preshow.
戒掉广告瘾。
Get off the ad crack.
那就是他的原话。
That was the quote.
他说这话时，直盯着他们。
And he was looking directly at them when he said it.
我敢肯定，因为我经常去电影院，这正是所有看电影的人的真实感受。
And I know for a fact, because I'm in movie theaters all the time, this is how everyone who goes to the movies feels.
这正是他们想要的。
This is exactly what they want.
我知道。
I know.
我非常喜欢。
I loved it.
我知道。
I know.
精彩的一刻。
Great moment.
我，而且他最近状态很好。
I I and he's kind of on a heater lately.
他来到城里，一直在宣扬。
He came on the town, and he's been preaching.
他写了一篇《纽约时报》的文章，谈到了那个窗口问题。
He wrote a New York Times piece about, you know, the the the window situation.
我太喜欢了。
I love it.
我觉得CinemaCon上应该多一些互相调侃。
I think that there should be more shit talking at CinemaCon.
如果他们能来回互怼，比如‘我们的电影才更好’，我会非常喜欢。
I would love it if they were back and forth like, our movie was way better.
他们的电影，你知道的，他们会说，是的。
Their movies you know, they they'd say Yeah.
他们会说他们是票房最高的制片公司，但实际上并不是，诸如此类的话。
That they're the highest grossing studio, but they're not, you know, that kind of stuff.
我喜欢那个社会反思的演示。
I love the social reckoning presentation.
是的。
Yeah.
关于杰里米·斯特朗，你的看法可以放在大局里看。
My thoughts on Jeremy Strong, you can get over on the big picture.
我已经是这个表演的忠实粉丝了，尽管我们只看到过一些片段。
I'm a big fan of this performance already even though we've only seen snippets of it.
如果它彻底搞砸了，我对此不负任何责任，是的。
And if it turns horribly wrong, I will accept no accountability Yeah.
为了这份粉丝热情。
For that fandom.
但他们把索金请了出来，他还谈到他的电影要到十月才上映。
But the fact that they brought Sorkin out, and he talked about his movie's not coming out until October.
哦，是十月啊。
Oh, it's October.
我还以为是十二月呢。
I thought it was December.
好吧。
Okay.
还有另一件事，我觉得很有趣的是，我觉得游戏时代已经来临了，他们和索尼PlayStation有这种协同效应。
One other thing too that they have that I think is interesting is I do feel like the video game era is upon us, and they have this synergy with PlayStation.
是的
Yeah.
因此，他们拥有所有这些IP，如果我们真的正在从超级英雄转向电子游戏，他们已经宣布了《血源诅咒》和《地狱潜者》的项目，我认为他们的片单将继续围绕这些内容开发。
And so they have all these properties that if we are actually moving away from superheroes and into video games, they announced both Bloodborne and Helldivers happening, and I think that their slate will continue to be developed around that material.
当然。
Absolutely.
他们现在有了优势。
They now have an advantage.
他们现在拥有索尼以前从未有过的两大优势。
They have two advantages Sony has that they've never had before.
动漫热潮
The anime boom
没错。
That's right.
他们还通过Crunchyroll拥有这条渠道。
And they have that pipeline through Crunchyroll.
确实如此。
They sure do.
而且他们还有PlayStation。
And they have PlayStation.
是的。
Yeah.
你觉得人们还在乎《勇敢者游戏》吗？
Do we think people care still about Jumanji?
我承认，当我看到它的时候，我想：哦，对啊。
I'll admit when I saw it, I was like, oh, yeah.
他们就像是其他角色。
They're like other characters.
是的。
Yeah.
我的意思是，这些电影在海外非常受欢迎，这也是它们票房表现如此出色的原因之一。
I mean, those movies play really well overseas, and that's part the reason why they've done so well at the box office.
嗯。
Mhmm.
我们以前从未在节目中讨论过他们中的任何一个吗？
That we never have we ever discussed one of them ever on the show?
没有。
No.
但现在我们有了适龄观影的孩子。
But now we have children of movie going age.
那是
That's
对。
right.
所以我们可能会突然开始关心他们。
So that's we we might suddenly be caring about them.
是的。
Yeah.
我知道。
I know.
我觉得我孩子会感兴趣，但我得先让他看原版。
I I think my kid would be interested, but I gotta show him the originals.
感觉你得先了解故事背景。
It feels like you kinda need to know the premise.
是的。
Yes.
罗宾·威廉姆斯的原版。
The Robin Williams original.
对。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
对。
Yeah.
好吧。
So alright.
我们继续吧。
Let's move on.
我的第三名，这让我感到意外，因为去年他们的表现参差不齐。
My number three, and this was a surprise to me given that last year was sort of a mixed bag from them.
我要说的是亚马逊米高梅工作室。
I'm gonna say Amazon MGM Studios.
他们在进步。
They're learning.
我的也是。
Mine as well.
他们的第二次展示比第一次更好。
Their second presentation was better than their first.
他们确实借鉴了环球的很多做法，比如骑摩托车的人物，以及让让·巴蒂斯特现场演唱开场。
They did take a lot out of the Universal Playbook in terms of people on motorcycles, a live musical performance from Jean Baptiste to open it.
现场气氛热烈，甚至有些明星效应，其中一部分来自已经上映的电影《星际救援》。
There was there was fanfare and they even the star power, some of it was from a movie that's already been released, in Project Hail Mary.
没错。
That's true.
但我欣赏他们请了高斯林来出演一个小角色
But I appreciated that they brought Gosling in to do a And little
她很有趣。
she was funny.
他总是表现得很好。
He's always good.
他们知道这一点。
They know that.
是的。
Yes.
所以这很聪明。
So it was it was smart.
但没有，我也因为这种盛大的宣传而关注了他们。
But, no, I have them as well because of the the fanfare.
然后我认为，今年的《星际救援》就像是迈克尔·B·乔丹执导的《汤姆·克劳恩事件》。
And then I think that their this year's Project Hail Mary is Thomas Crown Affair directed by, Michael B Jordan.
对。
Right.
奥斯卡获奖者迈克尔·B·乔丹，非常引人注目。
Academy Award winner Michael B Jordan, which was prominent.
他们立刻闪出了那个画面。
They flashed that right It
将于2027年3月上映。
will be released in March 2027.
所以这是同样的套路。
So it's the same playbook.
而且我们
And we
而且看起来很不错。
And it looked good.
是的。
Yes.
我个人对这部电影非常期待。
And I'm I'm excited personally for that movie.
他很有魅力，在片中表现很棒，而且和女主角很有化学反应。
And he's charming and was great out there, and he had chemistry with the the female lead.
所以，是的，我觉得用这个作为开场很聪明。
So, yes, I I I thought that was smart to lead with that.
你知道吗，他们的高管，比如迈克·霍普金斯，我很欣赏他亲自出面。
You know, their executives, like, Mike Hopkins is he I appreciate that he came out.
他们或许可以少用他一点。
They maybe could have used him less.
哦，对啊。
Oh, yeah.
我认为亚马逊的高管团队在这个环境中还需要一些磨练。
I I think I think Amazon's executive team still needs a little polish in this environment.
你需要有一种善于表现的气质，才能胜任这件事。
There's a show person quality that you have to have to be able to do this.
我之所以提到罗特曼，是因为他非常自在从容。
One of the reasons why I shouted out Rothman is he's very comfortable in his skin.
他在那个活动上已经多次做过这样的事了。
He's done it many, many times at that show.
他很喜欢这样与人交流。
He loves talking to people like that.
考特尼·瓦伦特就显得不那么自在。
Courtney Valente, less comfortable.
凯文·威尔逊，他们的发行负责人，表现得稍微好一点，还算不错。
Kevin Wilson, their distribution guy, was a little bit more and was fine.
他承担了大部分的发言。
He carried most of the Yeah.
在后半部分的
Of the
演示中。
presentation in the back half.
他们有一些看起来很酷的东西。
They have some cool looking stuff.
我认为他们也在推出许多让我感兴趣的原创电影。
I think they're they're also pushing a lot of original movies that are interesting to me.
我们看了《文化是我的护照》和《养蜂人2》。
We saw Cult Is My Passport, Beekeeper two.
还有一部新的大卫·利奇的银行劫案电影，当然，我们拭目以待。
There's new David Leach, Bank Heist movie, which, look, we'll see.
他们展示了《太空balls》。
They had Spaceballs.
你知道的？
You know?
《太空大灌篮》的演示非常精彩。
Spaceballs was a great presentation.
嗯哼。
Mhmm.
梅尔·布鲁克斯通过视频开了一句很搞笑的玩笑，说他没到场是因为要去钓鱼。
Mel Brooks was via video made a very funny joke about not being there because he was going to fish.
他是第一个，也是好几个这样做的其中一人。
He was the first person of several to
说了这个笑话。
make the made that joke.
是的。
Yes.
但《宇宙巨人》呢。
But masters of the universe.
对。
Yeah.
让我谈谈这个。
Let me talk about this.
所以去年的CinemaCon就出了个大乌龙，他们播放了那位明星的健身视频，我我我
So that was the disaster of last year's CinemaCon where they showed the workout video of the star I I I'm
不是尼古拉斯·加利特森。
not Nicholas Galitson.
是的。
Yeah.
尼古拉斯，好吧。
Nicholas okay.
你是不是每次都说我念错名字了？
You said I can I butcher it every time?
他们似乎有意强调，我们都清楚这看起来有多尴尬。
They seem to be leaning into the fact that we all know how jincy it looks.
他们发了泡沫剑。
They handed out foam swords.
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