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海外美国选民。
US voters abroad.
你收到选票了吗？
Have you got your ballot yet?
现在所有州都在向海外选民寄送选票。
All states are now sending ballots to overseas voters.
所以如果你今年想投票，应该马上申请选票。
So if you wanna vote this year, you should request your ballot right away.
去 votefromabroad.org 网站，点击“申请我的选票”。
Go to votefromabroad.org and click request my ballot.
选择通过电子邮件接收。
Ask to receive it by email.
有问题吗？
Questions?
直接咨询我们的支持团队。
Ask our support team directly.
别错过这个塑造未来的机会。
Don't miss this chance to shape the future.
别再拖延了。
Don't delay.
访问 votefromabroad.org。
Vote fromabroad.org.
我们正处于人工智能时代，智能体可以访问数据、使用工具、做出决策，并在整个企业中实现工作自动化。
We're in the AI era where agents access data, use tools, make decisions, and automate work across the enterprise.
这是巨大的创新，但同时也带来了巨大的网络安全挑战，而 CrowdStrike 正是帮助解决这一挑战的公司。
It's tremendous innovation, but it's also an incredible cybersecurity challenge, one that CrowdStrike helps solve.
CrowdStrike 的 AI 检测与响应解决方案帮助组织检测、调查并应对针对 AI 系统以及源自 AI 系统的威胁，让企业能够在保障 AI 时代安全的同时加速创新。
CrowdStrike AI Detection and Response helps organizations detect, investigate, and respond to threats targeting and originating from AI systems, so companies can innovate faster while securing the AI era.
更多信息请访问 crowdstrike.com/vox。
Learn more at crowdstrike.com/vox.
CrowdStrike。
CrowdStrike.
我们保护AI安全。
We secure AI.
我们阻止数据泄露。
We stop breaches.
经营企业不应该像在软件小组项目里挣扎求生。
Running a business shouldn't feel like surviving a software group project.
一个应用管会计，另一个管库存，还有一个管销售，结果它们之间
One app for accounting, another for inventory, another for sales, and somehow none
根本互不相通。
of them talk to each other.
这就是OTO的用武之地，
That's where OTO comes in,
一个一体化的企业管理软件，把企业各个部分整合在一起。
an all in one business management software that brings every part of your business together.
从销售、会计到库存和营销，都在一个强大的平台上。
From sales and accounting to inventory and marketing, in one powerful platform.
没有复杂的集成，不用在标签页之间来回切换，最重要的是，不用再用电子表格了。
No messy integrations, no bouncing between tabs, and best of all, no spreadsheets.
别再管理软件了，开始用一个统一的系统来管理你的业务吧。
Stop managing software and start managing your business with one unified system.
今天就到odoo.com/vox免费试用。
Try for free today at odoo.com/vox.
网址是odoo.com/vox。
That's odoo.com/vox.
大家好，欢迎收听The Vergecast，这是个人情境的旗舰播客，一个在苹果生态里既重要又虚无的东西。
Hello, and welcome to The Vergecast, the flagship podcast of personal context, a thing that means everything and nothing in the Apple ecosystem.
我是你们的朋友David Pierce。
I'm your friend David Pierce.
今天有两位同事和我一起，我猜他们可能位列Verge智能家居发烧友榜单的前两名。
I am joined by two of my colleagues, and I would say maybe one in two on the list of Verge smart home sickos.
第一名当之无愧，Jen Tuohy。
Number one with a bullet, Jen Tuohy.
嗨，珍。
Hi, Jen.
欢迎。
Welcome.
你好。
Hello.
你好。
Hello.
还有我的朋友，也是你们的朋友，尼莱·帕特尔。
And my friend and yours, Nilay Patel.
你好，
Hello,
我只是个业余爱好者，智能家居的业余爱好者。
I'm just a dilettante, a smart home dilettante.
你介意排在珍后面当第二名吗？
Are you okay with being number two to Jen?
珍就像
Jen is like
哦，这根本不用问。
Oh, it's it's not even a question.
就像，好吧。
It's like Okay.
就像，你愿意当第二吗，
It's like, are you okay with being number two
仅次于迈克尔·乔丹？
to Michael Jordan?
那当然愿意。
It's like, yes.
我会
I will
收好我的戒指，安静地回家，大家心里都清楚事实是什么。
be the I will collect my rings and quietly go home, and we'll all know what's true.
然后三十年后，你会拍一部特别劲爆的纪录片，讲珍没有你根本不行。
And then in thirty years, you'll make a really saucy documentary about how Jen never could have done it without you.
我知道。
I know.
是的。
Yes.
太对了。
Very true.
太对了。
Very true.
我们到了。
We are here.
我们在YouTube上直播。
We are live on YouTube.
苹果刚刚举办了盛大的欢迎回家活动。
Apple just had its big welcome home.
它……
It...
我都不太敢说这是个发布会。
I hesitate to call it an event.
Jen，我想聊聊你过去大概二十四小时的生活，因为这次发布会的体验真的很有意思。
Jen, I wanna talk a little bit about the last sort of twenty four hours of your life because the the experience of this launch has been really interesting.
但苹果刚刚在智能家居领域迈出了期待已久的一大步。
But Apple just made its big long awaited push into the smart home.
我们有一款叫HomeView的新设备，接下来会经常聊到它。
We have a new device called the HomeView that we're gonna talk about a lot.
我们还有新的HomePod Mini。
We have a new HomePod Mini.
还有新的Apple TV。
We have a new Apple TV.
还有一堆LG制造的传感器和设备。
We have a bunch of LG made sensors and devices.
别忘了施耐德电气。
Don't forget Schneider Electric.
得了吧。
Come on.
我
I
一直在聊施耐德电气，而且一直有人问我，为什么我们今天之前就在聊这个？
have been talking about Schneider Electric a lot, and and I keep getting people telling me, why are we talking about this before before today?
现在大家都关心了。
Now everyone cares.
我其实让他们在我家装了一个智能家居面板，但那是另一个故事了。
I actually had them install a smart home panel in my house, but that's a whole another story.
这就对了。
There you go.
给施耐德电气点个赞。
Shout out to Schneider Electric.
还有一件事。
One more thing.
智能家居发烧友们。
Smart home sickos.
你可能不知道，我和杰夫都是智能家居的狂热爱好者。
I don't think you understand that Jeff and I are smart home sickos.
不。
No.
我们多年来一直在聊的这个话题，现在突然成了焦点。
This what we've been talking about for years just got thrust into the foreground.
他们其实是Matter的创始成员之一，或者说，是最早参与Matter产品的那批公司之一。
They're actually one of the original founders of Matter or, like, original early product companies in Matter.
不过，算了，好吧。
But, anyway Okay.
我确实不如你。
I do fail to you.
抱歉。
I'm sorry.
这就是《The Vergecast》，各位。
The Vergecast, everyone.
我得先提醒你们一下。
I will warn you.
接下来在《The Vergecast》里，我会好几次发起一个新游戏，叫“这玩意儿该不该做成iPad？”
There there are going to be several instances of a new game that I'm going to instigate on the Vergecast called should this have been an iPad?
这个游戏
This is going
会在
to come
我们这次对话里反复出现，所以你们做好准备。
up several times in this conversation, so get ready.
我对这个话题有很强烈的看法。
I have strong feelings about that one.
我……
I...
我也是，我们的评论者也是。
So do I, and so do our commenters.
我们的制作人特拉维斯也会翻看你们的评论。
Travis, our producer, is also going to be looking through all of your comments.
我们也会看，但对我来说太远了，我的视力不行。
We're looking at them too, but it's far away from me in my eyesight.
已经不如从前了。
It's not what it once was.
所以我们要……
So we're gonna...
如果你们有评论，有问题，尽管提出来。
If you have comments, if you have questions, throw it all up.
特拉维斯会把一堆评论放到屏幕上，让我们发表感想。
Travis is gonna put a bunch on the screen and make us have feelings about them.
珍，先从你开始吧。
Jen, let's start with you.
跟我们说说你今天过得怎么样。
Tell us tell us about your day so far.
这次苹果发布会挺奇怪的。
This has been a strange Apple launch.
我们参加过各种类型的苹果发布会，但这次真的很不寻常。
We've all been to all flavors of Apple launches, but this was an unusual one.
简单跟我们讲讲你今天的情况吧。
Just give us a sense of your day today.
这是我第一次亲自参加苹果的活动。
This is my first ever in person Apple event.
对。
Yes.
他们平时不邀请我，因为他们一般跟智能家居没什么关系。
They don't normally invite me because they don't normally do anything with the smart home.
所以这对智能家居来说是个大时刻，苹果终于开始重视了，感觉这十年它一直像个业余项目。
So this a big moment for the smart home Apple finally paying some attention after a decade of sort of it being a hobby project, it feels like.
是的，所以今天活动早上9点开始，你说得对，这确实不是苹果一贯的活动风格。
But yes, so today the event started at 9AM this morning and you're right, it's not in the lexicon of Apple experiences.
他们管这叫体验，而不是活动。
This is an experience is what they called it, not an event.
所以没有大型的舞台展示，但有一个主题演讲，由苹果家居的产品负责人介绍新产品，播放视频，我想我们接下来会聊到这个。
So there wasn't a big on stage presentation, but there was a keynote with one of the sort of product leads from Apple Home talking about the new product, showing the video, which I think we will get to.
然后他们，嗯，活动是在翠贝卡的一栋联排别墅里举行的，我觉得苹果每年会在那里为不同产品举办几次活动，但那是一个家居环境。
Then they sort of, so it was in this Tribeca townhouse, which is something I think Apple has several events there a year for different products, but it was a home environment.
所以所有东西都是现场布置的，不过有一个演示区，所有东西都放在基座上，看起来像皇冠上的珠宝一样。
So everything was sort of set up in situ, although there was one demo area where it was all like put on plinths and looks like the crown jewels kind of thing.
然后我被带着体验了不同的场景。
And I was taken through like different experiences.
非常相似。
Was very similar.
我记得你们俩几年前去过亚马逊的活动，当时他们布置了几个小房间，展示不同的体验。
I think you both came to the Amazon event a couple years ago where they had little rooms set up with different experiences.
这次跟那个很像。
It was very much like that.
但关键区别在于，苹果请了一位室内设计师来完全设计这个家居空间，让它看起来更真实，而不是像科技公司弄的。我得说，我确实挺欣赏这一点的，因为那个空间真的很漂亮。
But the key difference here was that Apple hired an interior designer to completely design the home space to make it look more authentic, made by a tech company, which I have to say, I actually appreciated because it really was a nice space.
所有房间都布置得很好，因为是专业人士弄的。
All of the rooms were very well done because they were turned by a professional.
然后你知道，那些家居设备就穿插在中间。
And then you know, the home devices were sort of interspersed.
它们融入得太好了，你甚至会忽略它们。
They were so well interspersed that you kind of missed them.
你会想，哦，等等，我得回去看看。
You're like, Oh, hang on, I need to go back there.
那里是不是有一个。
Was one there.
所以，是的，我在那个空间里体验了几种不同的新产品。
So yeah, that was so I went through a few different experiences in that space for all the new products.
然后他们有一个，就像我说的，一个房间，所有东西都摆在展示台上，但那些东西都不能控制，都是演示模式。
And then they had a sort of, like I said, the sort of the room where everything's just on displays, but all of that stuff was not, you couldn't control it, it was all in demo mode.
所以我就试了试，但在那个家居空间里，那个公寓，那个非常昂贵的纽约市阁楼公寓，我真的很想搬进去，如果他们正在找人的话。
So I did, but I got to do some actual hands on in the house space, the apartment, the very expensive New York City loft apartment, I would love to move into if they're looking for any
一个人。
one.
太棒了。
Spectacular.
你愿意
Would you like
我把这个
me to bring this
带给他们吗？
far to them?
在哪里？
Where are
他们在哪儿？
they at?
我知道。
I know.
我就想，我肯定能帮你好好测试一下这个。
I'm like, I could I could definitely torture test this for you.
我其实很好奇他们给你做的演示，因为我觉得这次发布以来，到处都在问一个大问题，显然，这是一个控制你家的设备。
So I'm I'm actually curious about the demos that they did for you, because I think the the big question that has shown up everywhere as this launch has been happening, obviously, this is a a controller for your home.
我甚至不太愿意称它为智能家居设备，这是我想聊的，而且我觉得你也在纠结这个问题。
I'm almost hesitant to call it a smart home device, which is a thing I wanna talk about and I think is a thing that you're struggling with too.
但问题是，苹果认为这个东西是什么？
But the the question of what does Apple perceive this thing to be?
这是一个七英寸的屏幕，你可以把它挂在墙上。
It's a seven inch screen that you can you can mount it on the wall.
你可以把它放在桌子上。
You can put it on a table.
你可以插上电源。
You can plug it in.
你可以，你可以……
You can you can...
随便啦。
Whatever.
它是一个家用设备，应该为很多人做很多事情，我想深入聊聊这些。
It is it is a home device that is supposed to do lots of things for lots of people, and I wanna get into all of those things.
但我特别好奇苹果是怎么跟你解释这个东西的用途的。
But I'm fascinated by the way that Apple decided to explain to you what this thing is for.
比如，你实际看到的演示是什么样的？
Like, what what were the demos that you actually got to see?
我可能应该提一下，我之前没怎么细说，但显然这次发布了很多产品。
And, I mean, I probably should, I didn't really get into it, but obviously there were a lot of products announced.
所以有HomeView，就是那个智能显示屏。
So there was the HomeView, which is the smart display.
然后还有新的Apple TV、新的HomePod Mini，以及作为苹果家居系列一部分的很多智能家居配件，来自LG和施耐德。
And then there was the new Apple TV, the new HomePod Mini, and also lots of smart home accessories as part of a new Apple Home Collection from LG and Schneider.
所以那些就是门锁和恒温器之类的。
So that was like door locks and Thermos.
施耐德电气是不是给你钱了，Jen？
Is Schneider Electric paying you, Jen?
说实话吧。
Just be honest.
现在是
This is the
该说的时候。
time to say.
不过是的，他们是个很棒的公司。
But yeah, they're a great company.
不，如果你有一个……
No, you know, if you have an...
他们可能制造了你家里的墙壁配电箱。
They probably made the in wall circuit breaker box in your house.
那就是他们做的。
That's what they make.
总之，是的，我跑题了。
Anyway, yes, I'm being diverted.
所以这个产品很有意思，他们……
So this was built interestingly, they...
苹果总是有脚本，所以我们交谈的每个人说的都差不多。
Apple always has a script, so everyone we talked to sort of said the same thing.
它被定位为娱乐设备、个人设备和家庭设备。
It's billed as both a entertainment device, a personal device, and a home
苹果必须停止这样做。
Apple has to stop doing this.
他们变成了翻唱乐队。
They they become a cover band.
你有没有...
Do you...
比如，从很重要的意义上说，苹果就像在说，我们有过一首大热单曲，我们要再唱一遍。
Like, in in, like, a very important way, Apple's like, we've had a big hit, and we're gonna do that hit again.
然后就像，之前是网络通讯器和宽屏iPod，这次是娱乐设备加另外一样东西再加第三样东西。
And it's like, it was an Internet communicator and a wide screen iPod, and this one's like, it's an entertainment device and this other thing and that third thing.
我能不能就扮演一下观众里那个智能家居狂热爱好者，从头看到尾？
Can I just play the role of the smart home sicko in the audience watching this all the way down?
可以。
Yes.
而且我...
And I...
昨晚半夜的时候，我还在看Jen的报道。
Last night at, like, midnight, I was looking at Jen's coverage.
它马上就要发布了，然后我……
It was about to go up, And I...
我唯一能说的就是，这玩意儿是不是又怪又复杂，还有点让人摸不着头脑？
All I could say was, is this just weird and complicated and a little bit confusing?
因为所有东西看起来都又怪又复杂，还有点让人摸不着头脑。
Because all of it seems weird and complicated and a little bit confusing.
我觉得你问的它应不应该是个iPad这个问题，让我觉得，我得去给我家外面的摄像头买新的设备才能用这个新的苹果产品，而我家的摄像头本来就有iOS应用，这让我脑子里的断连感简直太大了。
And I think your question about should it be an iPad, the idea that I have to go buy new cameras for the outside of my house to use the new Apple device when the cameras on my house already have an iOS app is just like the disconnect in my brain is just monumental.
我确实专门问过他们。
I did specifically ask them.
我说，那我能下载Ring的应用来看我的Ring摄像头吗？
I said, so can I, like, download the Ring app and view my Ring cameras?
不行。
No.
他们其实没直接说不行，但就是接着问别的问题了。
They didn't actually say no, but they just went on with another question.
他们就说，那……
They were like, so...
但是你可以通过家庭应用查看HomeKit安全视频摄像头。
But you can view HomeKit secure video cameras through the Home app.
这绝对是史上最复杂的摄像头使用方式了。
Easily the most complicated way to do any cameras ever.
有人……
Someone...
是什么？
What is it?
Amjid三百，名字不错，说有意思。
Amjid three hundred, great name, says interesting.
它会有CarPlay应用。
It'll have CarPlay apps.
它不会有CarPlay应用。
It won't have CarPlay apps.
还会有另一类基于CarPlay框架的应用。
There will be another class of apps using the CarPlay framework.
是的。
Yes.
所以你得为手机做一个应用。
So you have to make you have to make an app for the phone.
你得为那部手机做一个CarPlay应用。
You have to make a CarPlay app for that phone.
现在你得为iPhone 2重新做那个应用。
You have to redo that app for the iPhone two now.
然后你还得为这个东西做一个基于CarPlay框架的第二个东西？
And then you have to make a second thing that is based on the CarPlay framework for this thing?
嗯，是的，我没有深入探讨那个细节。
Well, so yeah, and I didn't get into deep details around that.
他们确实说了基本上它用的是CarPlay的架构。
They did say that basically it uses the CarPlay architecture.
所以，现在所有能在CarPlay上用的音频设备、音频应用，应该都能用。
So any of the current audio device, audio apps that work in CarPlay should work.
就像他们提到的Audible，我猜Spotify也行，因为那个确实能用，但视频不行，因为现在CarPlay上还没有视频服务。
So like they mentioned Audible, and I assume Spotify, because that's one that does, but no video, because right now no video services are on CarPlay.
我不太清楚，因为我不用CarPlay。
I don't know, because I don't use CarPlay.
但我猜你不会在高速公路上开车的时候看Netflix吧。
But I'm guessing you don't watch Netflix while you're driving down the interstate.
我可以
I can
看到为什么会有
see why there's There's a dirt
一条通往视频和CarPlay的路。
a path to video and CarPlay.
但这就像，作为这个要插在厨房里的设备的消费者，我需要知道这个吗？
But that's just like, should I know about that as a consumer of this device that is meant to be plugged into my kitchen?
我觉得CarPlay的设计理念就是经过筛选的应用。
I think the idea behind the CarPlay is it's curated apps.
所以每个……
So every...
所以它的工作方式是当你……
So the way it works is when you...
就像早期的Apple Watch，你添加任何设备，手机上任何兼容Apple Watch的应用都会自动出现在手表上。
It's like the Apple Watch in the early days when you added any device, any app you had on your phone that was compatible with the Apple Watch could automatically show up on the Apple Watch.
评论区有个智能家居狂热粉说这是剧本。
Have a smart home sicko in the comments who says that it's scripted.
我就是在给你点个名。
I'm just shouting you out.
你看，我们就是这么深入。
Like, that's how deep we are.
我们已经聊这个放在冰球上的小Apple Watch聊了五分钟，还提到了施耐德电气。
We've we've talked about this little Apple Watch on a on a on a hockey puck for five minutes, and we've mentioned Schneider Electric.
我们还提到了剧本。
We've mentioned scripted.
我们还聊了其他HomeKit安全视频，以及我们是否要支持CarPlay。
We've gotten our other HomeKit secure video and whether or not we're forking CarPlay.
等等。
Wait.
能不能……
Can...
让我……
Let me...
我能唱个反调吗？
Can I just play devil's advocate
然后让它成立？
here and make it work?
让我完全换个角度，指出几乎没有人有智能家居设备。
Let let me just let me just swing all the way the other way and point out that almost no one has smart home stuff.
智能家居很糟糕。
The smart home is bad.
里面全是互不兼容的产品，而且大多数
It is full of products that don't work together, and most
人，你说话的时候
people your mouth
嘴巴。
when you talk.
最多最多有个门铃摄像头，比如……
At most at most have a doorbell camera, like...
或者或者飞利浦Hue灯。
Or or Hue lights.
而这两样东西，就像，
And those are the two things that, like,
普通人
real people
他们家里有的，都是从他那儿来的。
have in their coming from him.
好的。
Okay.
所以这正是我想问的，因为我原本以为苹果会正式进军智能家居领域。
So this is what I was gonna ask because, like, I I think I expected this to be like Apple launching itself into the smart home universe.
但在我看来，苹果更像是假装智能家居不存在，好像它要重新发明智能家居一样。
And this to me felt like Apple more or less pretending that the smart home doesn't exist and that Apple is about to invent the smart home.
这种做法在某种程度上挺让人烦的，但也许对这类产品来说，也不完全是错的。
And that's a very thing to do in a way that is kind of annoying, but is also, like, maybe not completely wrong for something like this.
毕竟大多数人家里都没有这些设备。
Like, most people don't have these devices.
但如果你
But if
全都买了，那就会想，我得把这些都接入我的家庭助手。
you have them all, the idea of, like, I need to drop this into my home assistant.
不是的。
Like, no.
你不需要。
You don't.
别买这个东西。
Don't buy this thing.
但是，等等。
But, like Wait.
让我
Let me
反驳一下，我想让Jen来回答，因为她绝对是这方面的专家。
just push back on this, and I I want Jen to answer because she is by far and away the expert.
你说大多数人可能有Ring门铃，其实有Ring门铃的人非常多。
When you say most people might have a Ring doorbell, lots and lots and lots of people have ring doorbells.
你可以去
You can go
花99美元买个Ring门铃，撕掉背面的胶带往墙上一贴就装好了。
get a ring doorbell for $99 that you install by peeling the tape off the back and sticking it to the wall.
而且有几百万人都在用这种东西。
And like millions of people have those things.
所以一方面，苹果有机会重新定义整个生态系统。
So there's a part where Apple gets to reinvent the ecosystem.
但另一方面，你也得面对现实——想让这东西在你现有的家里正常工作，你就得换一个新的门铃。
And there's a part where you just have to stare at reality and be like, in order to make this thing work in your home, the home you already have today, you have to get a new doorbell.
我觉得这真的挺奇怪的。
That's I just think that's weird.
Ring这个例子挺难说的，因为如果大家还记得的话，它本来是要支持HomeKit的。
Ring is a difficult one because it was supposed to support HomeKit, if anyone remembers.
很久以前的事了，我相信评论区肯定有人记得。
All the way back, I'm sure the commenters remember.
而且Ring是出了名的封闭系统。
And Ring is notoriously closed.
我觉得很多其他门铃制造商，如果苹果Home支持Matter摄像头的话，可能都能跟这个设备配合使用。
A lot of the other doorbell manufacturers, I think could potentially work with this device if Apple Home supported Matter cameras.
他们目前还不支持。
They don't yet.
所以没错，全都是HomePod安全视频。
So yes, it's all HomePod Secure Video.
我觉得Ring永远不会支持Matter摄像头，只要有Jamie Simonovic当CEO，但Sidewalk他们肯定会支持。
I don't think Ring is ever gonna support Matter cameras, not with Jamie Simonovic as the CEO, but Sidewalk they will.
我确实这么认为，但说到David的观点，我觉得苹果也是这么想的。我当时特别兴奋，觉得苹果能进来，用这个设备做些真正酷、有趣的事情，带来Siri AI和一些很棒的功能。
And I do, but to David's point that I think Apple does, I was all excited that Apple could come in and like actually do something really cool and fun with this device and bring Siri AI and bring some really good capabilities.
过去一年我一直在测试Home Assistant的智能家居AI，我能看到这里潜力巨大。
I've been testing Home Assistant AI's, Smart Home Assistance AI for the last year, and I can see so much potential here.
但我在智能家居方面，对它的功能和先进程度有很高的期望。
But I'm up here in the smart home in terms of what I want it to do and how advanced I'd love to see.
而苹果却从最底层开始，好像说，好吧，我们得说我们有用户在用我们的设备。
And Apple is coming in right down in the basement and like, okay, we're gonna say we have people that use our devices.
他们会看到这个设备，觉得它是iPhone在家里的一个很好的延伸，其实我也是这么觉得的。
They're gonna see this device and think it's a nice extension of their iPhone in the home, which is essentially what I feel like it is.
然后，添加门铃会变得非常容易，因为有一个苹果推荐的。
And then, it's gonna be really easy to add a doorbell because there's one that Apple recommends.
他们跟我说，我们经常被问到该买什么。
They said to me, we get people asking us what we should buy all the time.
现在我们有东西可以推荐了，这就是你应该买的。
Now we have things we can say, this is what you should buy.
所以，是的，我今天和两位高管进行了采访。
So yeah, then I was talking, I had an interview with two execs today.
他们说的其中一点是，是的，我们知道有很多人深度投入智能家居，但大多数人并不是这样。
And one of the things they were saying was, yeah, we see this, yes, we know there are a lot of people that are deeply invested in the smart home, but most people aren't.
但让他们入门的是一个设备，他们会觉得，哦，这个好用，哦，效果不错，也许我会再试试别的。
And this, but what gets them in there is one device, and they're like, oh, this works, and oh, it works quite well, maybe I'll try something else.
问题是，当他们从一个设备开始，但效果不好，体验很差，然后他们就会想，我受够了，为什么还要浪费时间呢？
The problem is when they start with one device and it doesn't work well, and it's a bad experience, and then they're like, I'm done with this, why would I even want to waste my time?
所以这就是Home系列与这些合作伙伴合作的全部意义所在，理论上它们设置起来要容易得多。
So that's the whole sort of point of the Home Collection with these partnerships is they're much easier in theory to set up.
它们就像你的AirPods一样设置，理念就是你过来，用NFC碰一下，它就能识别设备。
They set up just like your AirPods do is the idea you just come you can tap with NFC and it recognises the device.
所以他们追求的是简单和易用。
So they're going for simplicity, and ease of use.
我希望他们能在此基础上继续发展。
And my hope is then they'll build on that.
但现在，这主要还是面向智能家居入门用户。
But right now, this is very much tailored to smart home 101.
而这个设备本身，首先被定位为一种与亲人沟通的方式。
And the device itself is, first and foremost, they talk about it as being a way to sort of communicate with loved ones.
FaceTime，像iPhone那样的体验，是其中的一部分。
The FaceTime, like the iPhone experience is part of it.
享受娱乐。
Enjoy entertainment.
所以音乐是他们主要推的一个，因为目前还没有明显的第三方视频。
So music is the one they mainly pushed because there is no obvious third party video yet.
珍，你刚才是不是说了
Jen, did you just say
享受娱乐？
enjoy entertainment?
享受娱乐。
Enjoy entertainment.
你在苹果电视上
You spent too long
待太久了。
at an Apple TV.
我想读一下那句话。
I want to read the phrase.
所以这就是他们说的，享受娱乐，与亲人联系
So this is what they said, enjoy entertainment, connect I with loved
从来没享受过。
never enjoyed it.
所以我试了带触控的iPad。
So I tried an iPad with touch controls.
还能控制你的智能家居。
And control your smart home.
所以智能家居就是突破性的互联网。
So the smart home was Breakthrough Internet.
对，这就是他们给这个设备推销时的说法。
Yeah, that's of, that's the sales pitch that they were giving for this device.
而且，这真的不是针对普通用户的。
And yeah, it's not targeted at the person.
这甚至不是针对像我这样在墙上挖个洞，把iPad塞进去，然后想方设法给它通电的人。
It's really not even targeted at the person like I was that carved a hole in their wall and stuck an iPad in it and figured out somehow, some way to plug it in.
不过它确实支持PoE，所以还不错。
It does have PoE though, so yay.
而且它不是针对那种人的。
And it's not targeted at that person.
它针对的是那些深度使用苹果生态，可能刚开始接触智能家居的人。
It's targeted at someone that is really deeply in the Apple ecosystem, and might start to move into the smart home.
不是说你就不会觉得它
Not to say that you wouldn't find it
有用。
useful.
那是谁？
Who is that?
我能把这两个想法结合起来吗？它们在我脑子里搅成了一团浆糊。
Can I just take those two ideas and and once again, the swirl of confusion in my brain that they have created?
它针对的是那些没有智能家居、但身处苹果生态，可能想从LG摄像头或门铃开始尝试的人。
It's targeted someone who doesn't have a smart home, who's in the Apple ecosystem and might wanna begin with the LG, camera or or or doorbell.
但如果你知道什么是以太网供电，而且你墙里就有那玩意儿，他们也为你做了一款。
But also, if you know what power over Ethernet is and you have that shit in your walls, they made one for you.
然后你就会想，好吧，那是另一个人。
And it's like, well, that's a different guy.
就像那是Jen。
Like, you know, that's Jen.
Jen是我认识的懂以太网供电的人。
It's Jen is the person I know with power over Ethernet.
这是在把高级用户晾在一边啊。
Throwing the power users under the bus here.
但是，但是然后
But but then
你会在墙上装个东西，然后你会想，你知道我想做什么吗？我想在上面装Home Assistant。
you're gonna have a thing in your wall, and you're like, you know what I'd love to do is put Home Assistant on it.
顺便说一句，刚才有人提到Home Assistant有个CarPlay应用。
By the way, someone just shouted out that Home Assistant has a CarPlay app.
就像，哪里……
It's like, where...
我们这是在干什么？
What are we doing?
这里面有太多东西，简直让人无语。
There's just so much about this where it's order to Yeah.
为了让智能家居变得有趣，每个细节都成了特殊情况。
Make it In order to make it interesting, everything in the smart home is an edge case.
我记得你好像说过这个，
I think I've heard you say that,
Jen。
Jen.
每件事都是各种奇怪的特殊情况。
Everything is a weird special corner case of weirdness.
而苹果正在努力做的是简化这一切。
And Apple is trying to do the thing where they're they're simplifying it.
对。
Yes.
而且实际上，在一个你有一个……的世界里，该做的事情是……
And actually, the thing to do in a world where you have a...
背后有一个人工智能系统，就是要接受它的复杂性。
An AI system in the background is embrace how complicated it is.
对。
Yes.
我也问过他们这个问题。
And I asked them this question too.
我说你们一直强调Siri AI是现在推出这个的原因，因为Siri AI已经准备好了。
I said, you know, you've hopped on a lot about how Siri AI was the reason that they launched this now is because Siri AI was ready.
而且Siri AI给家庭环境带来了他们可以利用的能力。
And Siri AI brought capabilities to the home, to the home environment that they could leverage.
然后我说，但你们已经说过这个AI有多强大了。
And I said, but you've already said how powerful this AI is.
你们能不能用它做点好事？
Could you do something good with it?
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你能做点有趣的事吗？
Could you do something fun?
你能让它，比如说，让我的智能家居运行得更好，并且理解我的意思吗？
Could you get it to like, make my smart home work better and have understood?
我说我喜欢所有这些个人化的背景信息，但能不能也考虑一下家里的情况？
Said, you know, I love all this personal context, but how about some home context?
这能成为这个设备的一部分吗？
Could that be part of this device?
用户的厨房怎么样？
How is the user's kitchen?
其实，我觉得我们有点太沉迷于智能家居了，抱歉，我们聊得太深入了。
Here's actually, I feel like we should, we've gotten so into Sorry, being being smart smart homesickos.
但这就是聊智能家居聊了五个小时会发生的事。不过，对，重点是……
But that's like what happens when you talk about smart home for five But, right, the idea is...
好的。
Okay.
它就放在你的厨房里。
It's sitting in your kitchen.
也许我们直接看这个视频吧。
Maybe we should just watch this video.
但重点是它就在厨房里。
But the idea is it's sitting in the kitchen.
我得试试用户切换功能，因为很明显我不是注册用户。
Get to try the user switching because, obviously, I'm not a registered user.
所以，是的，我觉得视频里展示得很清楚。
So, yeah, the video shows it quite well, I think.
他们说那非常贴近现实。
And they said that that's very true to life.
那我们就直接看这个视频吧。
So let's just watch this video.
我们……
Let let's...
所以这里有个……
So there's this...
让我快速设置一下。
Let me just set this up real fast.
苹果发布了一个大约三分钟的视频，展示了一个五口之家如何使用这个东西。
So the Apple put this out with this, like, three minute long video showing a a family of five navigating this thing.
我觉得这个视频基本上把HomeView的优缺点和不可能之处都讲清楚了。
And I think this video essentially tells you everything you need to know good and bad and impossible about what the HomeView is actually.
我们的做法是，先播放这个视频，任何人随时可以暂停，然后我们可以讨论。
So the way we're gonna do this is we're just gonna start this video, and anybody say pause at any time, and then we can talk about it.
听起来怎么样？
Sound good?
好的。
Okay.
好。
Alright.
我要去洗手间。
I need the bathroom.
楼下有一个。
There's one downstairs.
拜拜。
Bye.
谁一直在碰这个？
Who keeps touching this?
你答应过做法式吐司的，兄弟。
You promise French toast, bro.
我不是你兄弟，兄弟。
I'm not your bro, bro.
你可是答应过的，文森特。
Promises were made, Vincent.
好吧。
Fine.
嘿，Siri。
Hey, Siri.
找一下法式吐司。
Find the French toast.
好的。
Okay.
暂停。
Pause.
我
I
就在那儿。
Right there.
在哪儿呢？
Where is it?
这个设备在哪儿？
Where is this device?
哦，我知道它在哪儿。
Oh, I know where it is.
好的。
Okay.
嗯，还有很重要的一点，也是这件事里最关键的一个假设，就是这个设备不仅听懂了请求，还知道是谁在发出请求。
Well, also, importantly, the the immediate assumption here that that becomes very important to this entire thing is that this device not only understood the request, but understood who is making the request.
而且，我觉得这整个东西成败的关键，就在于多用户支持这个功能。
And and this goes back to, I think, the single feature that makes this thing succeed or fail is the multi user support.
据我理解，这个想法是，你可以……
And the idea, as I understand it, is that you...
它能识别最多六个人，用摄像头来识别，并在不同用户之间切换。
It's able to recognize up to six people and it uses the camera to recognize and and switch between users.
只要这些用户都有iOS设备就行。
As long as those users have iOS devices.
没错。
Correct.
但重要的是，刚才跟Siri说话的那个人并没有看着它，也没有靠近它。
But importantly, this dude who was just talking to Siri was not looking at it, was not close to it.
我不知道他是不是在有效范围内。
I don't know if he was in range or not.
所以现在我就想，Siri在这个时刻到底在不在乎是谁在跟它说话，还是说这算是一个集体任务？
So so now I'm at the point where like, does does at this moment Siri care who is talking to it or is this considered like a a group project
因为那只是Siri。
because it's just Siri.
消息。
Message.
所以消息是个人化的内容。
So the message is personal context.
所以它必须认出他。
So that had to recognize him.
怎么做到的？
How?
珍，怎么做到的？
Jen, how?
嗯，这正是我在文章里提到的其中一点。
Well, and that was one of the things I said in my piece.
我觉得，非得站在设备前面，把脸凑上去才能让它有反应，这种体验可不好。
I'm like, I don't, having to stand in front of a device and stick your face in it to get it to react is not a good experience.
我在Echo Show上试过，所以也……
I've tried that with the Echo Shows So have
这个在视频里出现了好几次。
this comes up a bunch in this video.
其实，我们继续往下看吧。
Actually, let's just keep going here.
这就是你提到的那件事，也是我想聊的。
This is the you you bring up one of things I wanna talk about.
我们继续播放吧。
Let's just keep playing here.
我找到妈妈发来的一条消息，里面有个链接，是Taste of Home网站上的法式吐司食谱。
I found a message from mom with a link to a French toast recipe from Taste
对，就是那个网站。
of Home.
好。
Okay.
停。
Stop.
我本来想那么做的。
I was gonna do that.
停。
Stop.
停。
Stop.
好。
Okay.
网上所有美食博主这下全炸了。
Every recipe blogger on the Internet just exploded.
我们刚才在看一个五年前的故事，讲的是几个开发者做了一个叫 Recipesly 的应用，把所有的食谱都抓走了，但没显示那些顶部的 SEO 内容，而那些内容正是给网站带流量的。
Like, we were just looking at a story from five years ago from developers who put out an app called Recipesly where they scraped all the recipes and didn't show the, you know, the SEO content at the top that gets people traffic.
苹果就说，好吧，网络已经死了。
Like Apple's like, well, the web is dead.
我们干脆把剩下的东西都抓来做法式吐司食谱，没人会对此有反应的。
We're just gonna scrape what's left of it for French toast recipes and no one will react to that.
我直接告诉你，我们已经把这个故事安排上了，因为苹果能走到这一步，实在太疯狂了。
I'm just gonna tell you we have already assigned that story because it's it's wild that Apple got here.
继续。
Continue.
你肯定不知道，法式吐司其实不是法国的。
Bet you didn't know that French toast isn't actually French.
那为什么叫法式呢，天才？
Then why is it called French, genius?
好吧。
Fine.
那就住在英国吧。
Live in England.
请稍等。
Hold, please.
Siri说法国吐司是法国的。
Siri's French toast French.
不对。
No.
法国吐司并不是起源于法国。
French toast is not originally from France.
电源线在哪里？
Where's the power cable?
那是什么？
What was that?
现在他站在前面
Now he's standing in front
所以，好吧。
of So I Okay.
所以电源线已经钻到柜台里了。
So the power cable has been drilled into the counter.
钻到柜台里。
Into the counter.
你指一下
Just point
那个位置。
that out.
就像你买新披萨时那样
As as one does when you buy a
新披萨。
new pizza.
有孩子的家庭，谁没在厨房台面上钻过洞呢？
Who with children has not put a hole into their kitchen counter?
好了。
Alright.
继续吧。
Keep going.
抱歉。
Sorry.
这简直就是在伤口上撒盐。
It's literally in the pain.
算了，布鲁诺。
Whatever, Bruno.
好的。
Okay.
等等。
Wait.
那里。
There.
暂停。
Pause.
你……
Do you...
珍，这就是你说的那个。
Jen, this is what you're talking about.
所以那个……
So the So
她就在它前面。
she's right in front of it.
那位妈妈
The mom
在家庭里，她只需要走过去，把它转90度，让它看着她。
in the family just had to walk up to it, swivel it 90 degrees, and have it look at her.
我觉得这就像是……
This, I think, is is is like...
这就是那个行为。
This is the behavior.
然后这就引出了我的第一个问题：这不就是个iPad吗？
And this is where I come to the first, shouldn't this just be an iPad?
比如说，如果我递给你一个东西，你可以拿着看，而不是大家都挤在厨房台子旁边，还得转来转去，那是不是合理多了？
Like, wouldn't it make a lot more sense if I could hand you a thing that you could then hold and look at instead of everyone having to crowd around your kitchen island and literally spin the...
就像……
Like
不。
No.
不。
No.
不。
No.
不。
No.
你把这个东西放在，比如，一个谷歌
You put this thing on, like, a Google
然后你可以绕着它转。
and you can spin around it.
当我给我妈买她的第一台iPad，就是第一代iPad的时候，我们给她配的第一个配件是一个支架，就是那种，对，挂在厨房上柜上的支架。
When I got my mom her first iPad, like, first generation iPad, the the first accessory we got for it was a mount that, like, mounted, yeah, on the top cabinets of the kitchen Mhmm.
这样她就可以把它放在那里，然后浏览食谱。
So she could put it there and, like, scroll through recipes on it.
这个东西当时特别受欢迎。
And this thing was, like, the biggest hit.
就是这个。
It's just this.
就是一个支架。
It's it's a stand.
没关系。
It's fine.
所以你的意思是，
So you're saying,
我这次是在为HomeView辩护。
I'm defending HomeView in this case.
这可能会……
This could...
你
You
刚才说了。
just said it.
那可能是我的
It could've been my
笔。
pen.
我……
I...
不是……
It's not...
我只是在维护那个安装的动态结构。
I'm I'm just defending the the the mounting dynamic.
这就是为什么接下来会有一个带旋转臂的版本。
This is why there's gonna be one with a rotating arm, though.
那是下一步。
That's the next.
那是下一步。
That's the next.
这个没问题。
This is fine.
这个想法就是厨房里放一个带支架的小屏幕，完全和其他同类设备一样。
The idea that it's a little display on a stand that lives in your kitchen, totally in the realm of every other device of this
我不知道。
I don't know.
好吧，我们应该继续玩这个，但是它们全都转来转去对着自己获取信息的那种混乱感，确实有点意思。
Well, we should keep playing this, but there is something to the, like, chaos of them all swiveling this thing around towards themselves to get their information that just
手里拿着手机。
has their phone.
好吧，我最喜欢这个视频的一点就是，没有人手里拿着手机，这是这个视频里最不现实的地方，但也是最乐观的地方。因为说实话，如果你五年前告诉我，有了这个设备，我的孩子们早餐时就不会用手机了，尽管我告诉他们不能用，但他们还是会偷偷用，那我早就买了。因为就像有了它，哦不，你不需要手机了，因为所有东西都在这里。
Well, this is my favorite thing about this is that no one does have their phone, and it's the most unrealistic aspect of this video, but also the most optimistic because if I honestly, if you promised me that if I got this device five years ago, my kids would not be using their phone at breakfast, even though I tell them they can't, but still sneaking it, I would have bought it because it's like having Oh no, you don't need your phone because it's all right here.
智能显示屏一直想做到的事情就是取代你的手机。
I mean, is something that smart displays have been trying to do for a long time is replace your phone.
你不需要它们来控制你的家。
You don't need them to control your home.
你不需要它们来，比如，我本来想用Google Nest Hub让我孩子们看《少年泰坦出击》。
You don't need them to like I would try and use Google Nest Hub so that my kids could watch, like, Teen Titans Go.
但不幸的是，它不知为什么只能播放西班牙语版本。
But unfortunately, it would only play it in Spanish for some reason.
那好吧。
So Alright.
我们继续吧。
Let's carry on.
我得说……
I will say...
但是，Jen，你的孩子比我们的大。
But, Jen, your children are older than ours.
难道我要相信，不管是青少年还是小孩，只会为了法式吐司和有没有法式吐司而争吵吗？
Am I am I meant to believe that as teenagers or children will only argue about French toast in the providence thereof?
因为我很期待那样。
Because I'm looking forward to that.
好吧。
Alright.
我们继续吧。
Let's keep going.
嘿。
Hey.
谁取消了哈珀的搭车？
Who canceled Harper's ride?
我取消的。
I canceled it.
哦，我今天打算走路。
Oh, I'm gonna walk today.
可怜的朋友。
Poor friend.
什么？
What?
抱歉。
Sorry.
刚才有东西穿过去了。
Something went through.
这是给你的。
It's for you.
太好了。
Great.
暂停一下。
Pause.
喂？
Hello?
我觉得这个真的很有意思。
This I just think is really interesting.
它接到一个FaceTime电话，下面会显示是打给谁的。
It it it gets a FaceTime call, and it says underneath it who it's for.
对。
Yes.
所以就有这些多用户的小问题，比如来电时，你怎么告诉别人该谁接？
And so there's just all these little multi user questions that it's like, when you get an incoming call, how how do you communicate who is supposed to answer it?
有人能接吗？
Is anyone able to answer it?
就一个按钮而已。
It's just a button.
真的，问题太多了。
Like, so many questions.
那我再把它搞复杂一点。
So I will just complicate this further.
其实我家已经有这个设备了，因为门口放着一个旧iPhone，装在Belkin的MagSafe支架上，上面就设了HomeKit场景。
So I already have this device in my home because I have an old iPhone on one of those Belkin MagSafe stands that sits by the door and it just has HomeKit scenes
很容易就变成待办事项了。
Easy on to do docket.
对。
Yep.
反正就这样吧。
And it just whatever.
你可以用那个东西上的按钮开关灯。
You can turn lights on and off using the buttons on that thing.
而且如果有人给我打电话，那个手机总会响。
And if someone calls me, that phone always rings.
我没办法让它不响，因为苹果设备就是这样，一有电话就响。
I cannot make it not ring in the way that, you know, Apple devices are like, oh, a phone call.
就像，我们……
Like, we...
所有人都慌了。
Everyone panic.
所以我已经有这个问题了，就是我不在家的时候，有东西在响。
And so I already have this problem that I'm not at home and a thing is ringing.
然后我女儿，如果她看到是我妈打来的，她会接起来说，嗨。
And my daughter, if she sees that it's my mom, my daughter will pick it up and be like, hi.
这倒没什么，因为至少她们在通话。我很好奇这个设备会怎么处理这种情况，因为它的很多功能都依赖于你的iPhone在家并且运行iOS 27，有些功能才能用，有些功能不能用。
And it's fine because at But least they're having a I'm very curious how that works with this because so much of this device is tied to your iPhone being at home running iOS 27 for some features to work and some features not to work.
我快不行了……
I'm dying...
这种动态关系在这里真是无处不在。
Like that dynamic is just like ever present here.
而且这真是一个渐变的过程。
And it's such a sliding scale.
有些东西显然应该让所有人都能访问。
There are some things that should obviously be accessible to everybody.
有些东西显然只能让你自己访问。
There are some things that should obviously only be accessible to you.
然后中间还有一大片模糊地带，这些设备就得自己来分辨了。
And then there's just a vast ocean of stuff in the middle that this stuff is just going to have to sort out.
我觉得等我们在家里实际用上这些设备，哪些功能好用、哪些不好用，就会变得非常明显了。
And I think a lot of this will probably become very obvious as we get to live with these in our house, which which ones worked and which one didn't.
但我在整个广告里看到的，全是关于谁该接这个电话，以及谁甚至应该能看到有来电的问题。
But all I see in this entire ad is just questions about who is supposed to answer this call and who is supposed to be able to even see that they're getting a call.
而且，让你的孩子们把他们的个人资料放到这上面会非常困难。
And that, and getting your kids to put their profiles on this will be very hard.
我认识的很多孩子都不想让他们的短信显示在厨房餐桌上的屏幕上。
I don't know many kids that are gonna want their text messages showing up on the screen at the kitchen table.
而且我试过让我的孩子们用，因为亚马逊Echo有人脸识别和语音匹配。
And I've tried to get my kids to use, because Amazon Echo's have face ID and voice match.
那真是一次令人沮丧的经历。
And it was a frustrating experience.
所以苹果承诺这会更加无缝，应该会很快完成。
So Apple promises this is a much more seamless, like it should happen really fast.
但是，是的，这种额外的摩擦让智能显示屏变得不那么实用了。
But yeah, that extra friction makes the smart display less useful.
我觉得它应该更像一个公共设备。
And it should be more of a communal device, I feel like.
我觉得把它做成个人设备是……
I feel like making it a personal device is the...
不过，这个产品和市面上其他产品相比，有什么不同吗？
Is there differentiation here, though, from the other products on the market right now?
我得说，咱们这个三分钟的视频才刚开始一分钟。
I will say, shout out, we're like one minute into this three minute video.
我们已经聊了五百个话题了。
We've already talked about 500 things.
对。
Yep.
而且，这些人过着像艾伦·索金写的那种生活，这种感觉非常强烈。
And the idea that these people are living a life written by Aaron Sorkin is very, very prevalent.
就像，每个人都在尽可能快地说话，而且他们都有正事要忙。
Like, everyone is talking as fast as they can, and they all have got business.
关于法式吐司。
About French toast.
好吧。
Alright.
继续。
Keep going.
我们把这个过一遍。
Let's play through this.
还没结束呢，托德。
It's not over yet, Todd.
真让人难过。
It's sad.
我们现在有点忙。
We're a bit busy now.
这些啤酒是怎么回事？
What's with the beers?
我们不喜欢这啤酒。
We don't like the beer.
从来都不喜欢。
Never do.
嘿。
Hey.
有人看到我的钥匙了吗？
Has anyone seen my keys?
没有。
Nope.
没看到他。
Haven't seen him.
他长得像我们讨厌的那个演员。
He looks like that actor we hate.
嘿。
Hey.
讲得真好。
Good pep talk.
各位？
Guys?
我在车上给你打电话。
I'll call you from the car.
爱你。
Love you.
好的。
Okay.
再见。
Bye.
再见。
Bye.
卡拉迟到了。
Carla's late.
Siri，帮我找一下钥匙。
Siri, ping my keys.
他需要你的钥匙。
He need your keys.
所以先暂停一下。
So just pause.
首先，但她有手机啊。
First of all, I mean, But she has a phone.
就像他在设备上跟爷爷说话，她得等着。
Like he's on the device talking to grandpa and she has to wait.
就是，那里的关系有点奇怪。
It's just like, it's just a weird dynamic there.
对，因为他是用户，现在她得切换。
Yeah, because he was the user and now then she has to switch.
而且她离得不够近，设备认不出是她，因为它不只是靠声音。
And also she wasn't close enough for it to know it was her because it doesn't use just the voice.
它还要靠脸。
It uses the face.
所以那有点，有点……
So that was a little a little...
当时感觉有点不太真诚，因为
It felt a little disingenuous there because
她是个
she's a
难搞的事情。
hard thing.
我们也不知道用户切换的速度有多快。
We don't know how fast the user switching is either.
我对这个设备最大的疑问就是，当没人在它面前时，用户是谁？
This is the number one question I have for this device is when no one's in front of it, what is the user?
它是不是有一个通用用户，能做一些事情，控制一些
Does it have a generic user that can do some things and control some
我觉得
I think
答案是肯定的。
the answer is yes.
因为不是……
Because it isn't...
甚至在新闻稿里也提到了一些，比如访客可以访问某些内容。
There's some there's some mentions in even the press release about, like, guests being able to access stuff.
所以，是的。
So Yes.
但在
But in
苹果的
the Apple that
有一个基础层级，我们完全不知道你是谁。
there is a base level, we have no idea who you are.
对。
Correct.
但在苹果生态系统中，有……
But in the Apple ecosystem, there are...
没有通用的用户。
There's no generic user.
设备不可能有基础级别的访问权限。
There's no base level of access that a device can have.
所以，你的用户叫
Everything So is you're user called
未识别的用户。
an unrecognized user.
所以这是苹果生态系统中的新用户。
So this is a new user in the Apple ecosystem.
架构中没有这个类别。
I mean, architecture does not have that category in it.
一切都是用户。
Everything is a user.
一切都是iCloud账户。
Everything is an iCloud account.
所有东西都有权限控制。
Everything is permissioned.
所以他们发明了一个新的未识别用户，这个用户有一些能力和权限。
So they've invented a new unrecognized user that has some capabilities, some permissions.
所以，任何不需要个人背景信息或者不控制家里安全设备的功能，任何人都可以在不被识别的情况下使用。
So anything that doesn't require personal context or that doesn't control security devices in your home can be accessed by anyone without being recognised.
所以你就是那个未识别用户。
So you are the unrecognised user.
你可以开关灯、控制恒温器、问一般知识问题、播放音乐，还可以观看视频直播，只是不能回放或查看录像。
You can turn lights on and off, you can control thermostats, you can ask questions, the general knowledge, play music, you can watch live streams from videos, you just can't rewind and see recordings.
对，这很像一个访客模式，但你是未识别用户，而且你还可以自定义设置。
And yeah, it's very much a, it's a guest mode, but you are you're an unrecognised user, you can also tailor it.
比如，如果你在客房放一个设备，你可以只给客人控制他们房间设备的权限，而不是整个房子的，诸如此类。
So if you have a device in a guest room, you can just give them control of their devices in room rather than the whole house, that kind of stuff.
是的，约翰·胡佛写过
Yeah, John has Hoover wrote
一篇关于多用户功能的帖子。
a post about the multi user stuff.
他提到的一点是，苹果告诉他，只要是在你家里，跟你说话的人就被默认是合理授权的。
And one of the things he said is that Apple told him that there is a presumption that just by the fact that it's in your house, whoever is talking to you is reasonably allowed to do so.
我觉得这没问题。
And I think that's fine.
Apple TV 上也有类似的功能。
And some of that exists on the Apple TV.
有些……
Some of...
比如，你只要……
Like, you just...
如果你在这个设备的范围内，就应该能操作一些东西，我觉得这挺合理的。
If you are in range of this thing, you should be able to do some things on it, I think, is fine.
所以这就是我的问题。
So that's my question.
所以我猜他们没有重新设计整个用户账户系统。
So I'm guessing that they did not rearchitect their entire user account system.
我可能猜错了，对吧？
I might be wrong, right?
等我们拿到设备，我们会问很多问题，然后搞清楚。
We're gonna get the device, we'll ask a million questions, we'll find out.
但我猜基本上还是老样子。
But I'm guessing that all of that is basically the same as it has been.
所以他们发明了一个新用户。
So they've invented a new user.
我知道Apple TV，如果你不用设置用户，但Apple TV还是需要你有一个Apple账户才能下载应用。
And I know the Apple TV, if you don't have to set up users, but the Apple TV still needs you to have an Apple account in order to download apps.
他们的整个用户模型都是围绕Apple账户建立的，这是最真实的方式。
Like their entire user model is predicated around Apple accounts, just in the realest way.
所以他们创建了一个新用户，需要登录某个东西才能访问HomeKit。
So then they made a new user that needs to be logged into something to get access to HomeKit.
那这是你账户的一个变体吗？
So is that a variant of the your account?
我特别想知道，因为关键的是，你出现时，大卫，你出现，它看到你的脸，就切换到你的账户，带着你的权限。
Like I'm just dying to know because the thing that needs to happen is then you show up, David, you show up and it sees your face and it switches to your account with your permissions.
然后你挂断电话，转身，珍在那里要她的钥匙，需要切换到她的账户，进入她的设备，用“查找我的”来定位她的设备，我不知道这些用户切换会有多快。
And then you hang up the call, you turn it, Jen's there to ask for her keys and needs to switch to her account and go into her devices and ping her Find My and I have no idea how quickly those users will switch.
如果它们同时都活跃，设备能快速处理吗？毕竟内存很贵。
If they're all active at the same time and the devices just quickly like, I mean, RAM's expensive.
所以所有东西都是同时活跃的吗？
So is everything active at the same time?
这真的是这个设备的核心卖点，但对我来说，它到底怎么运作还是个谜。
Like, this is the core promise of this device in a real and how it works to me is still kind of a mystery.
而这个视频并没有把它讲清楚。
And this video is not making it clear.
话虽如此，如果它真能像那样工作的话……
That said, if it works the way It
那真是太棒了。
would be awesome.
如果真能做到那样，那简直太不可思议了。
It is depicted, it would be incredible.
那会
That would
很棒。
be great.
这种多人同时使用、多用途的设备，如果能实现的话，那真是难以置信。目前家里任何系统都做不到这一点，而这恰恰是我们所需要的。
This is the kind of thing that sort of simultaneous, multi person, multi use device would be unbelievable and is something that nothing in the home for any system like this does a good job of right now, and it is actually exactly what we need.
所以，这个想法就是我智能家居的基础。
So the idea of that is, like, the foundation of my smart home.
所以我们有……
So we have...
是乔迪·洛佩兹1175吗？
Was it Jordi Lopez 1175?
就像是，它是你手机的延伸，而不是……
It's like, it's an extension of your phone, not a...
太好了。
Great.
我觉得没错。
I think that's right.
它是六个人手机的延伸。
It's an extension of six people's phones.
对。
Yes.
这简直就是整个系统的新运作模式。
That is just a new operating model for the whole deal.
是的。
Yep.
它是，它是……
It's it's...
哦，这东西一下子就是六部手机。
Oh, this thing is six phones at once.
好的。
Okay.
哪一部是活跃的？
Which one is active?
它怎么知道的？
How does it know?
要是两个人抢怎么办？
What if two people fight?
就是，有很多问题，而且它是你手机的延伸。
Like, there's a lot of questions and it's an extension of your phone.
确实。
For sure.
而且这是……
And this is...
多用户问题正是iPad一直无法真正胜任这个角色的原因。
The multi user issue is exactly the reason why an iPad has never fit into this role properly.
它很难作为家庭控制设备来使用，因为
It's been very hard to use it as a home control device because
嗯，苹果就是想把你所有的孩子都卖掉。
of Well, Apple just wants to sell all of your children.
为什么？
Why?
为什么？
Why?
Jen，苹果难道不能把这里做的所有事情都放在iPad上吗？
Jen, couldn't Apple do every single thing it did here on an iPad?
The Verge的核心特色之一就是，十年来我们一直问每个在苹果工作的人，为什么iPad不能更好地支持多用户。
One of the core brands of The Verge is that we have asked every person who works at Apple for a decade why we can't do better multi user support on iPads.
然后他们只是对我们耸耸肩。
And and just just a lot of, like, shrugging at us.
这就是我们的想法。
And this is the idea.
再说一遍，这就是关于这个的正确思路。
Like, again, this is this is the correct idea about how this
应该这样运作。
should work.
也许它就要来了。
Maybe it's coming.
如果他们真的推出这个，那也太搞笑了。
It would be so funny if they if they if they launch this.
然后，
And then,
大概两周后，
like, two
他们就说，哦，这些同样的功能也要来了。
weeks, they're like, oh, all these same features are coming.
现在就做这个。
Do this right now.
我们不会取消你的预购。
We will not cancel your preorder.
我们非常抱歉。
We're so sorry.
好的。
Alright.
我们得换个话题了。
We we need to get off of this.
我们还有很多测试要做。
We have a lot of testing left to do.
这个东西，我想，一个月后就要发布了。
This thing is coming out, I think, in a month.
我们会，我们会得到
We will we will get
我们没把视频做完。
We didn't finish the video.
我们连视频都没做完。
We didn't even finish the video.
我们……
We are
我们已经陷得太深了。
we are too deep in this.
但是，Jen，我确实想知道，关于硬件有很多讨论。
But, Jen, I do wanna know, there's been a lot of talk about the hardware.
有些人对边框不满。
Some people are mad about the bezels.
关于这个东西的大小和形状，有很多疑问。
There there are a lot of questions about the the size and shape of the thing.
你……
You...
你是我们当中唯一一个真正看过它、摸过它的人……
You're the only one of us who has actually looked at it and touched us...
摸过它。
Touched it.
你对这个硬件感觉怎么样？
How do you feel about the hardware?
我喜欢这个屏幕。
I like the screen.
我真的很喜欢这个屏幕。
I really like the screen.
它不是智能手机。
I mean, it's not a smartphone.
边框对我来说无所谓。
The bezels don't bother me.
实际上，它看起来更像一个相框，而且显示照片的效果真的非常漂亮。
It actually makes it look like more of a photo frame, is it does, it displays photos really beautifully.
而且我很喜欢它的工作方式。
And I love the way it works.
时钟会绕着你的照片转。
The clock kind of works around your photos.
所以它不会只是死板地盖在你脸上。
So it's not just sort of stuck over your face.
照片元素在这里是关键。
The photo element is key here.
你一直都知道会是这样。
And you always knew that it would be.
我觉得硬件手感非常扎实。
I think the hardware feels very solid.
屏幕响应非常灵敏。
The screen is really responsive.
用起来感觉就像在用iPad。
It feels like using an iPad.
有很多滑动操作，还有控制中心，上滑可以打开应用，也能看到小组件。
A lot of swiping and it has the control center, you swipe up for the apps, as well as the widgets.
显然，它看起来很像Apple Watch的表盘，而且他们实际上把这些设备上的屏幕叫做表盘。
Obviously, it looks an awful lot like Apple Watch faces, and they actually call these devices, they call the screens faces.
你可以从多个表盘中选择。
And you can choose from multiple faces.
而且你还可以轻松滑动切换，不需要去iPhone上设置。
You can actually easily swipe too, you don't have to do, like go to your iPhone and set them up.
直接在设备上就能搞定。
You can just do it all on the device.
你可以滑动浏览你喜欢的任何表盘。
And you can swipe through whichever faces you like.
很多表盘都有小组件，这样你就可以控制不同的功能。
Many of the faces have widgets so that you can control different things.
就这个尺寸来说，音效相当不错。
The sound was fairly impressive for the size.
我其实很惊讶它这么小。
I was surprised at how small this was actually.
扬声器本身非常紧凑，你几乎看不到它在屏幕后面。
The speaker itself is really quite compact, you barely see it behind the screen.
方形设计，我一开始觉得有点奇怪，因为显然这个产品已经泄露了好几个月甚至好几年了，我当时觉得方形设计看起来有点怪。
The square form factor I originally was a bit like when obviously this has been leaked for months and years, I thought the square form factor seemed a little odd.
但实际上它放在家里很合适，因为不占太多空间。
But actually it fits nicely in the home because it doesn't take up as much space.
感觉它更容易塞进一些地方，不像Echo Show 11或Nest Hub Max那样又宽又长，占地方。
It feels like you can sort of slot it into areas a little easier than say like the Echo Show 11 or the Nest Hub Max, which are wide and long, and they take up a lot of room.
我觉得外形设计上，它不像
I think form I factor think it doesn't
电视，这一点很重要。
look like a TV, which is important.
有一些
There are a
很多这类设备看起来就像小电视。
lot of these devices that look like tiny TVs.
我觉得屏幕比例是主要原因。
And I think the aspect ratio is a big part of that.
所以，它跟家里电视的形状不一样，这一点我觉得很关键。
And so just the fact that it is a different shape from what it amounts to a television in your house, I think goes a long way here.
再说，我觉得这块屏幕又亮又清晰，而且还能调到0.3尼特，他们说这是他们做过的最暗的屏幕，苹果说这算是个奇怪的卖点。
And again, I think the display is nice and bright, but also goes down to 0.3 nits, which they said is the dimmest they've ever done, which Apple said was a strange claim to fame for a screen.
不过，Nilay，我知道你用Google Nest Hub，那个屏幕可以调得很暗，放在床头柜上挺好用的，因为够暗，而Echo Show就太亮了。
But you know, I know, Nilay, you use the Google Nest Hub, and that can get really dim and works actually quite well as a bedside table device because it gets so dim, whereas the Echo Shows are too bright.
所以我很感兴趣，但他们没给我准备暗室来测试。
So I'm interested, they didn't have a dim room for me to test it out.
但我很想知道它能不能调到足够暗，适合放在卧室里，因为那样的话，它可以成为床头柜上很棒的显示屏，用来控制智能设备、设闹钟之类的。
But I'm very interested to see if this is going to be able to be dim enough to have in your bedroom, because it could make a nice bedside table display for controlling smart devices and setting alarm, those types of things.
我觉得它有两个主要的使用场景：卧室和厨房。
Could see, it seems like it has for me two core places where it would fit well, the bedroom and the kitchen in your home.
然后可能在你家的门厅，如果你要用它来控制智能设备的话。
And then potentially in like your entryway, if you're gonna use it for controlling smart devices.
Yellow Mellow 在评论区问，Jen，你能在上面看电影和电视节目吗？
Yellow Mellow asked in our comments, Jen, can you watch movies and TV shows on it?
很多人都在问这个问题。
A lot of people asking this.
大家都想要那个厨房小电视。
People want the tiny kitchen TV.
这个能成为厨房小电视吗？
Can this be the tiny kitchen?
他们说这取决于应用是否支持我们之前讨论的 CarPlay 框架。
So they said it will depend on apps supporting the CarPlay framework that we discussed earlier.
至于能不能用 Netflix 或 Hulu，他们持开放态度。
Whether you get Netflix or Hulu, they are open to it.
这是有可能实现的。
There is a path to that.
这取决于应用开发者是否愿意为它开发应用。
It will be up to the apps that makers to develop for it.
说实话，我不会太为我的Google HomePod辩护。
Look, I'm not gonna try to try to stand for my Google HomePod very much.
它现在就是个又困惑又迷失的设备。
It is at this point just a confused and lost device.
但谷歌拥有YouTube TV，你可以直接让它播放包装工队的比赛，它就会照做。
But Google owns YouTube TV, and a thing you can do is you can just ask it to play the Packers game, and it will just do it.
你懂我的意思吗？
Do you know what I mean?
就像那个生态系统已经存在了，而苹果却表现得好像一切都不行。
Like that ecosystem exists and there's just a part of this where Apple being like, it was all bad.
实际上，这真的在阻碍这个产品的发展，对吧？
Actually it's working against this product in real ways, right?
如果你不能直接把YouTube TV应用装在这上面运行，那我们在干什么呢？
If you can't just put the YouTube TV app on this thing and run it, like what are we doing?
对，你觉得谷歌会开发YouTube TV吗？
Yeah, do you think Google will develop YouTube TV?
谷歌会为这个设备开发一个CarPlay版的YouTube TV应用吗？毕竟它其实不是CarPlay。
Will Google develop a CarPlay variant of the YouTube TV app but only for this device because it's actually not CarPlay.
你知道吗……
Do you know...
就是，这有点像是……
Like, there's just something about this that is like, it...
它太封闭了，当……
It's too in a bubble when...
我们能像诺兰预期的那样在上面看《奥德赛》吗？
Can we watch the Odyssey on it as Nolan intended?
这是个很棒的问题。
It's an amazing question.
克里斯托弗·诺兰才不在乎怎么看电影呢。
Christopher Nolan doesn't give a shit how he watches movies.
这是真的。
This is a real thing.
他，他
He's he's
是个观影者。
a watcher.
有家庭影院。
Have a home view.
不。
No.
他甚至不知道有手机这回事。
Doesn't even know how does have a phone.
他甚至不知道你是怎么看他电影的。
He doesn't even know how you're watching his movies.
他根本不担心这个。
He's not worried about it.
关于这个设备，我还有好多问题想问。
I have so many more questions about this device.
我们显然得弄一个来评测一下。
We obviously have to get it and review it.
你看得出来，我对它着迷得不得了，有无数种方式让我着迷。
You can tell I'm like, I'm fascinated by it in like 10,000 different ways.
但咱们还是回到施耐德电气的烤箱上来。
But just to come all the way back around to the Schneider Electric oven.
天哪。
Oh my god.
就提一下这个。
Just to point this out.
你也是，帕特尔。
You too, Patel.
这房子里就有施耐德的设备。
There's Schneider devices in this house.
他们不只是做配电箱的。
They don't just make the panels.
他们还做非常好的灯具，而且他们收购了一家叫Shelly的公司，这家公司做继电器，可以藏在真正的电灯开关后面。
They make really nice lights, which is They bought a company called Shelly, which makes relays and can hide behind real light switches.
真正的智能家居爱好者都知道这家公司很厉害，因为他们什么都做。
Like real smart home nerds know that this company is a force because they make all the stuff.
我想说的是，确实有点好笑，苹果去找LG这家注重隐私的公司来造一堆摄像头，然后还要把数据送到LG的服务器上，谁知道呢。
And all I'm pointing out is, yes, it's kind of funny that Apple went to LG, the privacy company, to make a bunch of cameras so they can send that data to LG servers too, who knows.
但他们不得不找施耐德，因为其他所有东西都是施耐德做的。
But they had to go to Schneider because they make all the other stuff.
如果你想要一大堆支持Matter的开关和设备，施耐德就是做这些的公司。
If you want a whole bunch of matter, light switches and devices, like Schneider is the company that makes them.
所以，对智能家居现实的那一点点妥协，在我看来是整个事情里最能说明问题的地方。
And so that little concession to the reality of the smart home is to me like the most revealing part of this whole exercise.
也就是说，如果你想让这个东西正常工作，并且想让它成为他们一直在等的Siri AI设备，他们是在等它真正成熟之后才推出这个硬件的。
That if you want this thing to work and you want it to be the Siri AI device that they're, you know, they waited for it to be real before they launched this hardware.
现实就是这样。
The reality is there.
现实是很多人家里都有支持HomeKit的ecobee温控器。
The reality is that lots of people have ecobee thermostats that are on HomeKit.
现在你还要在这些ecobee温控器旁边再放一个屏幕，对吧？
And now you're gonna put another screen next to those ecobee thermostats, right?
现实是很多人都有可视门铃和智能锁，这些东西非常受欢迎，但它们能不能跟这个兼容就不好说了。
Like the reality is lots of people have doorbells and smart locks and they're incredibly popular and they may or may not work with this.
很多人，我正盯着我的HomePodridge，它就在那边。
Lots of people, I'm staring at my HomePodridge on the, it's over there.
我的那个像电子宠物一样的树莓派HomePod就在那边。
My little Raspberry Pi Tamagotchi of a HomePod is over there.
那是个很受欢迎的东西。
That is a popular thing.
它太受欢迎了，以至于人们都把HomePod商业化，还为此成立了公司。
It's so popular that people have commercialized HomePod and made companies out of it.
而且围绕这个还有不少丑闻和争议。
And there's like scandals and controversies about that.
比如，你觉得这规模很小，
Like, know you think it's small,
但我在最后听到
All but I hear at the end
这些内容里的每一条
of every one of these
带括号的句子只是少数，绝大多数人并不这样。
sentences is parentheses and vastly more people do not.
但如果你想把这款设备卖出去，这就是我提到施耐德电气的原因。
But if you want to sell this device, this is why I'm bringing up Schneider Electric.
如果你打算把这款设备卖给任何人的家庭，你一定会撞上那个残酷的现实：每个家庭的状况都不一样。
If you want to sell this device into anyone's house, you will just run into the brutal reality that everyone's house is different.
没错。
Yes.
所以每个人都需要不同的东西，用不同的方式。
And so everyone needs different things in different ways.
每个人的家里都有奇怪的电路。
Everyone has weird electricity in their house.
大卫，我记得你刚把整个房子的电线都重新弄了一遍。
David, I believe you just had to rewire your entire house.
确实如此。
Sure did.
因为你的电路很奇怪。
Because you had weird electricity.
确实如此。
Sure did.
就像每个人都有这些疯狂的问题。
Like everyone just has these crazy problems.
有些人只是租客，他们不能像苹果那样把东西钉在墙上。
Some people just are renters and they can't screw things into the wall the way that Apple appears.
你得在家具上钻孔才能让这个产品正常工作。
You'd wanna drill holes in your furniture to make this product work.
而且我……
And I...
我之所以提到施耐德电气，是因为这就是这里的妥协之处。
The reason I just come back to Schneider Electric is like that is the concession here.
他们需要那个能制造所有这些设备的合作伙伴。
They needed the partner that makes all of this stuff.
对。
Yep.
另一个妥协是他们与ADT合作来安装它。
The other concession is they're partnering with ADT to install it.
所以你去苹果店买了这些东西，你会想，我没人帮我安装。
So you go to the Apple Store and you buy this stuff, you're like, I don't have anyone put it in.
他们会派ADT的人到你家来。
They will send ADT to your house.
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