iPhone Air 究竟是为谁设计的？

欢迎收听Vergecast，这是那些看起来像手机的旗舰播客节目。我是你们的朋友大卫·皮尔斯，我正在整理物品，至少开始这么做了。看起来我和妻子十月份要搬家，这意味着我现在有六周时间清理掉家里大部分东西。虽然我平时不算囤积狂，但确实会积累不少物品，部分原因就是这个工作的性质。

Welcome to the Vergecast, the flagship podcast of phones that look like phones. I'm your friend David Pierce, and I am decluttering, starting to anyway. So it looks like my wife and I are gonna be moving at the October, which means that I have now six weeks to get most of the things out of my house. And I would say, like, I'm not a pack rat or, like, a hoarder person in general, but I do accumulate things. Part of that is just the nature of this job.

地下室里堆满了iPad包装盒和各种配件，有些需要寄走，有些该直接扔掉。每年我都需要几次这样的时刻来彻底清理——是时候处理掉大部分物品了。这其实是个很有成效的过程。

There's a lot of, like, iPad boxes and random accessories lying around in the basement near me, and a lot of that needs to get shipped, and a lot of that needs to get thrown away. But I just I need a moment, like, few times a year to just really be like, okay. Time to get rid of most of the things that I own. Own. It's a very productive moment.

我确实很享受这种整理时刻，或许该更频繁些。现在我有六周时间来彻底清理、打包和搬家。不久的将来，我可能就要在新地方录制这档播客了——不过接下来六周我们可不是来聊这个的。

It's a moment I actually really enjoy. I should probably do it more often. So I have six weeks now to essentially declutter, pack up, and move. Sometime in the near future, I suspect I'm gonna be doing this podcast from an entirely new place. But that is not what we're here to talk about today or any of the days for the next six weeks.

今天我们要讨论苹果公司。现在正值苹果产品评测季，我们团队测试了大量新品。这是一年中最有趣的科技产品时刻，倒不是因为苹果产品本身多特别，而是这是个审视整个科技产品生态的契机。这还不是科技产品季的终点，

We're here to talk about Apple. So it's Apple review season. We have lots of new devices. Our team has been testing the new devices, and this is one of the most interesting gadget moments of the year, not necessarily because the Apple products themselves are so interesting, but because this is a moment to kind of take stock of the whole gadget world. This isn't the end of gadget season.

我们即将迎来Meta Connect大会，预计几周后还会看到亚马逊的硬件新闻。虽然还有很多新品待发布，但从某种意义来说，手机发布季已接近尾声。这也是评估现状的好时机：苹果表现如何？这些产品是否还在以有趣的方式演进？这就是我们要探讨的内容。

We're about to have Meta Connect. We're about to have some interesting Amazon hardware news, I suspect, in a couple of weeks. There's a lot of stuff left to come, but this is kind of the end of phone season in a certain way. It's also a good time to just take stock of where we are, how Apple is doing, and whether or not any of these gadgets are still moving forward in an interesting way. So that's what we're gonna talk about.

我们将邀请艾莉森·约翰逊、Vsong和杰克·卡斯特罗纳基斯参与节目。他们已完成产品评测，观点丰富。我还不知道他们对这些设备的真实评价——希望待会儿能碰撞出精彩火花。

We're gonna have Allison Johnson, Vsong, and Jake Kastronakis on. They've been reviewing the devices. They have lots of thoughts. I don't know anything about how they feel about these devices yet. So hopefully, we're gonna get some fireworks.

这些内容稍后即将呈现。不过首先...我刚又发现十几件需要扔掉或挂到Nextdoor免费送人的东西。（顺便说，Nextdoor的免费发布功能太棒了）这里是Vergecast，我们马上回来。

All of that is coming up in just a second. But first, I just saw, like, 12 more things that I need to throw away and post for free on Nextdoor. By the way, posting stuff for free on Nextdoor, incredible. This is the Vergecast. We'll be right back.

长期以来，关于新陈代谢一直有一个相当明确的说法。

For a long time, there's been a pretty clear narrative around metabolism.

醒醒吧，美国。你们准备好倾听了吗，还是想变得更胖更病态？

Wake up, America. Are you guys ready to listen, or you wanna get fatter and sicker?

但在本周的《不可解释》节目中，最新研究让科学家们开始怀疑，他们曾经视为理所当然的一些最基本认知是否错了。

But this week on unexplainable, recent research has scientists wondering whether some of the most basic things they took for granted are wrong.

我以为我了解新陈代谢，但后来发现并非如此。我真的很想知道它到底是什么？这究竟是怎么回事？

I thought I understood metabolism, but I realized I didn't. And I really wanted to know what is it? Like, what is this really about?

关注《不可解释》节目，每周一和周三更新新集数。

Follow unexplainable for new episodes every Monday and Wednesday.

恐怖电影如今在票房上大获成功。事实上，这类影片向来是票房保证。但直到现在，恐怖类型才真正获得评论界的认可。

Scary movies are big at the box office these days. In fact, it's always been good for the box office. But horror wasn't always given its due by the critics until now.

我总把恐怖类型比作罗德尼·丹杰菲尔德——永远得不到尊重的流派。

I would always call horror the Rodney danger field of genres that can't get no respect.

本周《为我解释》节目，探讨为何我们喜欢恐怖电影带来的刺激。新集每周日更新，各大播客平台均可收听。

This week on Explain It To Me, why we like the thrill of scary movies. New episodes, Sundays, wherever you get your podcasts.

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欢迎回来。好的，我们得先从iPhone开始聊。现场有用过新iPhone的朋友——嗨，用过iPhone的各位。

Welcome back. Alright. We gotta start with iPhones. We have people who have used the iPhones. Hello, people who have used the iPhones.

艾莉森·约翰逊在场。嗨，艾莉森。你好。杰克·卡斯特罗纳基斯也在。嗨，杰克。

Allison Johnson's here. Hi, Allison. Hello. Jake Kastronakis is here. Hi, Jake.

嘿。杰克，两周内你既完成了苹果发布会博客首秀，如果没记错还首次担任了iPhone评测人？我在尽力适应。这对你可是重大突破。

Hey there. Jake, in two weeks, you have debuted as an Apple Live blogger, and you have debuted, I believe, as an iPhone reviewer? I'm trying my best. This is huge for you.

是啊，简直太棒了。

Yeah. No. This is great.

Jake今年真是焕然一新啊。

What a glow up for Jake this year.

他们我知道。这很有趣。你看，由于其他人都没空，很多人绞尽脑汁后说，我猜Jake应该有空吧。就这样我得到了主持Vergecast的机会，也得到了评测这款iPhone的工作。

They I know. It's fun. It's you know, due to everyone else being unavailable, a lot of people thought really hard and said, I I guess I guess Jake is available. And that's how I got the Vergecast hosting gig. That's how I got this iPhone reviewing gig.

说实话，这才是人生。如果我没理解错的话，Jake，你评测的是基础款iPhone 17对吧？然后Allison，你手上有部分或全部机型，但主要是在做iPhone Air的评测对吗？

I mean, honestly, this is this is the life. So if I have this right, Jake, you reviewed the base iPhone 17. Yes. And, Allison, you have some or all of the phones, but you've mostly been doing the iPhone Air review. Right?

对，对。没错，这是我的主要任务。

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's been my main gig.

很好。因为我觉得——你们可以随时纠正我——你们手上有今年最有趣的两款手机，而且原因截然不同。我们直接进入主题吧。我认为应该先从Air开始，关于这款手机我的疑问最多，这么说合理吧？

Okay. So this is good because I actually think and and you should both feel free to tell me I'm wrong and correct me. I think you have the two most interesting phones of the year by a mile, but for wildly different reasons. And we should just get into it. So I think we have to start with the Air, which I think is probably the phone about which I have the most questions, if that makes sense.

它是目前所有机型中最令人捉摸不透的黑马。Allison，你一直在用这款手机做评测。快告诉我，你觉得怎么样？

Like, it is it is the wildest of the wild cards of these phones so far. So, Allison, you've been using the thing. You've reviewed the thing. Hit me with it. How do you feel?

iPhone Air的使用体验如何？

How's the how's the iPhone Air experience been?

哦，天哪。我感觉和我预想的差不多。所以应该说，今年早些时候我评测过三星Galaxy S25 Edge，它也是类似的概念。这是一部手机，只是更薄。

Oh, boy. I feel I feel pretty much like I anticipated I would. So I should say that I reviewed the Samsung Galaxy s 25 Edge earlier this year. It's kind of the same idea. It's a phone except thin.

使用那款手机和iPhone Air的体验是，一开始你会有点惊艳。你会想，天啊，这也太薄太轻了吧，感觉随时会弄坏它。

And the experience of using that and the iPhone air is you're sort of wowed right at the beginning. You're like, oh my god. This is so thin. It's so light. I feel like I'm gonna break it.

但你会逐渐习惯。随身携带时，最让你印象深刻的是它的重量。它能轻松塞进我平时需要硬塞手机的衣袋和包包缝隙里，每次成功时我都觉得，哇，真方便。

You get used to that. You carry it around. And the thing that kinda sticks with you is the weight. Like, it'll fit into pockets and little nooks and crannies of the bags I carry that normally I'm, like, trying to jam a phone into. And every time it does that, I'm like, oh, that was nice.

不过真正让我感触的是坐着握持滑动时，手没那么容易累，小指也不用承受那么大重量。懂吗？就是这些细微差别。光靠描述很难传达，除非亲自拿起来体验。如果有机会，我强烈建议试试。

But but the thing that kinda sticks with me is just sitting and holding it and scrolling, and my hand doesn't get as tired, and I don't have such a great weight resting on my pinky. You know? It's it's it's the little things. It's hard to describe it and convey it without someone picking it up and holding it. If if you can do that, I encourage you to.

这就是我最深的体会。

But that's my big takeaway.

这正是这款手机的挑战所在，对吧？你看参数会觉得，确实更薄更轻了，但数字差距并不大——不是说普通iPhone重六磅而这台突然轻很多。它只是稍微轻一点，但你说这些微小差异确实带来了实质性的体验提升。

This is one of the challenges of this phone. Right? Is I think like, you you look at the specs, and, like, yeah, it's thinner, and, yeah, it's lighter, but the numbers are relatively small to the extent it's not like, you know, the the regular iPhone weighs six pounds, and this is suddenly much smaller. Like, it's just a slightly smaller iPhone. But you're saying it the the differences there do add up to something meaningful.

确实如此。我也有同样经历：看着参数怀疑真能有这么大区别？直到真正拿起来体验。

They do. And I I went through the same thing. You look at the numbers. You're like, is this really gonna be that big of a difference? And you pick it up and hold it.

你会觉得，哦，确实如此。我想归根结底是因为我们对手机每一克的重量都异常敏感，毕竟我们整天携带使用，已经形成了一种共识——手机就该是这个重量范围。但当你拿起这款时，就会产生‘呃，我说不上来...等等，其实我知道’的感觉。

You're like, oh, it really is. And I think it just comes down to we are so attuned to like every gram that a phone weighs because we carry them and use them all the time, and there's just sort of a we've settled on like, this is roughly how much a phone weighs. And you pick this one up, and you're like, oh, is I don't know. Okay. I do know.

这就像你每天抱学步儿童，已经非常熟悉他们的体重，突然抱起新生儿时的震撼感——天啊，我可能会失手把孩子抛到空中！现在这个情况如出一辙。

You have had this experience of, like, picking up a toddler, like, day after day, and you're, like, so used to how heavy they are. Then you pick up a newborn, you're like, oh my god. I'm gonna, like Yeah. Toss this child into the air. Same deal.

就像抱幼儿的感觉。

It's like toddlers.

有意思。这彻底推翻了我长期以来的理论：我一直希望苹果能造个更大、电池超耐用且坚不可摧的手机。但你的观点让我意识到，或许真正的启示在于——正因我们对重量如此敏感，增大尺寸不仅不会提升体验，反而会让人感觉明显更糟。

Interesting. So this really pours cold water on a theory I've had for a long time, which is that actually what I want Apple to do is make a bigger phone with, like, bruising battery life and that is completely indestructible. And actually, what you're making me think is maybe the lesson learned here is that that actually isn't a good idea because we're so attuned to it. That if you made it bigger, it would it wouldn't just feel not better. It would feel, like, actively worse.

没错。我还要补充：剧透预警——Air的续航确实不太理想（我们早有预料），虽不算灾难级。不过苹果专门为Air重新推出了MagSafe外接电池。

Yeah. And I will add to that. So, you know, spoiler alert, battery life is not super great on the air. We sort of anticipated that. It's not a disaster, but there's the the MagSafe battery pack that Apple kind of reintroduced, like, specifically for the air.

Jake上周在播客里对这个可兴奋了。

Jake was very excited about this on the podcast last week.

哦，

Oh,

是啊，杰克超爱电池组。我我

yeah. Jake loves a battery pack. I I

爱死了。

love it.

超爱用更多配件把手机变得更大。

Love love making a phone bigger with more accessories.

问题是这样的。你可以把它想象成模块化手机，默认状态下是这样，但装上电池组后——关键在于电池组本身又轻又薄。装上用一会儿后，我就觉得太重了，比Pro款还沉。

Well, that's the thing. It's like, you can think of it as a modular phone where you're like, this is kind of how it is by itself, but then you slap a battery pack on it. But the the thing is it the battery pack itself is light and thin. You put it on the phone and you use it for a minute, and I'm like, this is too heavy. Like, this is heavier than a pro.

有意思。手感不好，我只想充完电就立刻拆下来。

Interesting. It doesn't feel good, and I just wanna leave it here until it's charged and then take this thing off of it.

确实。我们总叫人去摸去试去拿起来，但可能这建议很糟糕——除非你准备好花钱买更薄更轻的手机，否则最好别知道它本来能有多轻薄。

Yeah. There there's definitely a real like, we keep telling people go, like, touch it and try it and pick it up. And part of me is like that might actually be terrible advice. Because, like, maybe you shouldn't know how much thinner and lighter your phone could be unless you're prepared to spend the money on the thinner and lighter phone.

我收到的第一反应挺负面的，比如我丈夫说'我会弄坏它，不喜欢'。听过几次这种话后，用着用着就变成'好吧...还行'。

You know, the reaction I've gotten, it's kind of a negative one at first, I think, from people who are not really expecting like my husband, he's like, I'm gonna break this. I don't like that. Like, I heard that a couple of times. And then after you've used it a little bit, you're like, okay. Okay.

我感觉这个用起来更舒服。这个这个挺好的。它会不会感觉有点脆弱？我不会这么说。它感觉挺结实的。

I feel better with this. This is this is nice. Does it feel fragile at all? I wouldn't say it does. Like, it it feels solid.

我确实把它放在地上过，我四岁的孩子在房间里蹦蹦跳跳。我当时就想，希望他别一脚踩在手机中间。普通手机我根本不会这么想，但用这个的时候我确实更常冒出这种念头。不过从没觉得它脆弱到会让我担心弄坏。

I I did have it, like, sitting on the ground, and my four year old was, like, stomping around the room. And I had to, like, oh, I hope he doesn't stomp right in the middle of his phone. Like, I would not normally think that of a of a normal phone, but it's it's something that sort of crossed my mind more often using this. But at no point was I like, this feels so fragile. I'm gonna break it.

好吧，这是个好消息。我很高兴听你这么说。因为我觉得...确实，我担心的一个点就是会把它当珍贵物品供着，毕竟厂商想让你觉得这是个宝贝，但我觉得这种关系不适合手机。

Okay. That's good news. I'm I'm glad to hear that. Because I think yeah. One of my worries would be that I would end up treating this thinning like a precious object because they kinda want you to think it is a precious object, and that's just not the right relationship to have with your phone, I think.

这些东西本应是实用又普及的，如果还得像照顾婴儿一样小心就太烦人了——嗯哼，个人拙见。你提到电池续航，我们预期的两个妥协点就是电池和摄像头（毕竟只有一个），关于摄像头我们有很多想法。先说说电池吧。

Like, these things are so utilitarian and so ubiquitous that having something you have to baby is actually really annoying in Mhmm. My humble opinion. But you mentioned battery life. And I think the the two trade offs we expected coming into this were going to be battery life and camera question mark, because there's only one, and we have a lot of thoughts about it. Let's start with battery life.

实际情况到底怎么样？

What's the what's the actual situation like?

电池续航方面，我使用一周后的结论是——虽然时间不长，但在我看来，如果新手机的续航有个可接受范围，它确实在这个范围内，只是偏下限。具体取决于你换掉的旧机型...等等，我能...

Battery life, where I've landed is and I've only used this thing for a week, but it seems to me it's in if there's a spectrum of, like, acceptable battery life on a brand new phone, it's in that spectrum. It's on the low end. So depending on the phone you're you're trading in Wait. Can I just

打断一下？其实...我们现在能不能做个小测试？好，我想请我们三个都大声说出你认为智能手机最低可接受的续航时间是多久。

pause you? Actually, this this is Yeah. Can we just do a little exercise right now? Okay. I want all three of us to just say out loud what you think minimum acceptable battery life is for a smartphone.

比如，你需要多久给手机充一次电才能让它保持良好状态？杰克，你先说。

Like, how often do you need to charge your phone in order for it to be fine? Jake, you go first.

我现在日常使用的手机是Pixel 8。

So my current phone that I that I use day to day is a Pixel eight.

好的。

Okay.

如果电量降到20%，它就会进入低电量模式。这让我很抓狂，因为高刷新率屏幕会被关闭，所有界面都变成暗黑模式，系统开始卡顿，明显变慢。如果日常使用中电量降到20%，对我来说就太低了。

And if it hits 20%, it goes into low power mode. And it drives me crazy because it turns the high refresh rate screen off. Everything goes into dark mode. Everything gets chugged you know, starts slowing down. If it hits 20% and I'm in my day to day, that's when it's too low.

所以我认为最低限度是睡前手机电量要保持在20%以上。

So I I think bare minimum is a phone that is above 20% power when I go to bed.

嗯。

Mhmm.

好的。这个标准不错。艾莉森，你觉得你的电量临界值是多少？

Okay. I like that. Allison, what's what do you feel like your number is?

是啊，差不多。就像，我得熬过这一天。当我看到电量只剩20%，你知道的，它会变红，还会给你发烦人的提醒。

Yeah. About the same. Like, I I need to get through my day. And if I see that 20%, you know, it turns red. It gives you mean notifications.

没错。iPhone在电量降到20%时，那个警告真的挺吓人的。

Yeah. The iPhone, like, is really alarming about it when you hit 20%.

每次我看手机，电量百分比都在下降，它还在那儿冲你发火似的。所以，是的，我完全同意。

And every time I look at the phone, you know, you see the the percentage go down, and it's still angry at you. So, yeah, I I agree with that.

好吧，这挺有趣的。实际上我觉得我们几乎处于完全相同的情况，这其实很有帮助。我问这个是因为整个夏天我都在用iOS 26测试版，测试版软件众所周知会榨干手机电量。所以测试版搞垮我手机电池时，我并不怪它，但它们确实这么干了。

Okay. It's it's funny. I actually think we're all almost in exactly the same place, which is really helpful. So I the reason I ask is because I've been using the iOS 26 betas all summer, and, like, beta software is famously just crushing to phones. So, like, I don't hold it against the betas when they crush my phone's battery, but they have.

现在我已经到了下午4点电量就只剩20%的地步。这对我心理状态的影响，比我愿意承认的要大得多。那种感觉就像，好吧，我得赶紧出门办事，而我的手机电池在我回家前真的有可能耗尽，因为我得用CarPlay导航，购物清单也在手机上，我还得靠它回家。

And so I've gotten to the point where now I'm getting to 20% at, like, 04:00 in the afternoon. And, like, the difference that that makes in, like, my psyche is so much more substantial than I am willing to talk about. Like, that that feeling of, like, okay. I I am I have to run out to do an errand, and there's, like, an actual non zero chance my phone battery is going to be dead before I get home because I have to use CarPlay to get there. I have my grocery list on my phone, and I need to get back.

所以我要用这个设备，现在是下午4:30，我却感觉手机可能撑不到我回家。这简直，简直让人无法接受。于是我——

So I'm gonna, like, use this device. It's 04:30 in the afternoon, and I feel like my phone might be dead before I get home. It's like, that is that is unacceptable. And so I

嗯，我

think Mhmm. I

我喜欢这个想法，我认为每晚都能充电且永远不必进入低电量模式，确实是一种非常好的思考方式。那么iPhone Air能做到吗？它至少能达到这个标准吗？

I like the like, I I should be able to charge it every night and never hit low power mode, I think, is a really good a really good way of of thinking about it. So does does the iPhone Air hit that? Does it at least hit that threshold?

大部分情况下可以。所以在那些日子里

It mostly does. So the the days when

我对那个开头就叹气，完全叹气。

I sigh at the beginning of that sigh at all.

这只是电池测试。影响因素太多了，尤其是在你从零开始设置手机并使用的阶段，头两天简直就是噩梦。那些我重度使用电池的日子，比如屏幕亮着超过五个小时，我当时还在优步后座坐了一个小时。

It's just testing a battery. There's so many factors and so many things. And especially in a period where you're setting up a phone from scratch and using it, the first two days are are just kind of a nightmare. So the days where I went really hard on the battery had like a ton of, you know, more than five hours of screen on time. I was in the back of an Uber for an hour.

所有这些事情，比如，我必须在晚餐时间前达到20%，这让我压力很大。我在想，要不要带上充电宝？要不要充电？打电话时要不要一直连着充电宝？我不喜欢这样，尤其是当我外出和旅行的时候，这种情况更多。

All this stuff, like, I was getting to that 20 by dinnertime, and that was stressing me out. And I was like, do I put the battery pack? Do I charge it? Do I leave the battery pack on while I'm making a phone call? I didn't like that when I've had and that was a lot more out and about and travel.

当我在家连接WiFi，只是做些日常事情，屏幕使用时间大约三小时，到睡前电量还剩30%左右时，感觉就完全可以接受。所以没看到低电量模式，我松了一口气。但对于一部全新手机来说，这种体验并不好，你

When I've been at home on Wi Fi, and I'm just kinda doing normal stuff, and it's more like of three hours of screen on time day, it's been much more acceptable where it's in the thirties by bedtime. So didn't see the low power mode. I breathe this sigh of relief. But but for a brand new phone, that does not feel great, you

懂我意思吧？是的。

know? Yeah.

就是这样，这类情况就像，这块电池已经达到最佳状态了。它永远不会变得更好。一年之后，它会是什么样子？你懂我的意思吗？

That and that's the kind of thing that's like, this is the best this battery is gonna be. It is not gonna ever be any better. And a year from now, what's that gonna look like? You know?

是啊。杰克，你描述的电池状况听起来没达到我的预期标准。你觉得达到你的标准了吗？

Yeah. Jake, that description of the battery sounds like it does not hit my threshold. Does it hit yours?

没有。我同意你的看法。好吧。因为我那部用了两年的手机现在就是这种情况。对吧？

No. I agree with you. Okay. Because that that's exactly where my two year old phone is. Right?

如果我重度使用，就会看到低电量模式。平常日子里，电量会逐渐耗尽，但还算正常。不过这也合理，毕竟用了两年了。

If I push it hard, I'm gonna see lower power mode. On a normal day, it's winding down, but it's fine. But that's fine. It's two years old.

嗯。

Mhmm.

我担心的是，这种情况让我对长期使用后的表现感到忧虑。

You gotta worry I that that makes me concerned about how that's gonna be in the long term.

确实。

Yeah.

是啊。

Yeah.

没错。而且这就好比，如果你不打算拿着手机仔细把玩，买这么高档的玩意儿还有什么意义？你懂我意思吧

Yeah. And this is like, if if you're not gonna hold and look at your phone, the hell's the point of buying the fancy one? You know what

我是说？

I mean?

别误会，我只是觉得iPhone Air从一开始就不是面向轻度用户的机型。所以我认为这是个悖论——选择购买这款手机的用户群体，恰恰可能是受电池续航限制影响最大的那群人。

Don't think like, I just don't think the iPhone Air is, like, the the gentle user's iPhone to begin with. So I think it's it's a tricky like, the the self selecting group of people who is going to buy this phone are going to pee be the people who maybe are hit the hardest by the battery limitations.

嗯。

Mhmm.

但从某种程度上说，这是物理定律决定的。对吧？现实就是如此。我不确定技术上究竟能有多大改进空间。毕竟手机内部空间就那么大。

But to some extent, that's physics. Right? Like, it is what it is. I don't I don't know how much there actually is to do to solve it. Like, there's only so much space inside of the phone.

摄像头是另一个问题。你对这个摄像头的评价如何？

The camera is the other one. What's what's been your verdict on the camera?

对于摄像头，我稍微能接受一些。需要说明的是，这是一颗4800万像素的单摄像头，在光线充足时表现非常出色。要知道，现在很难买到摄像头差的手机了。它还提供类似两倍裁切变焦的功能。

The camera, I'm a little more okay with. With the asterisk that, you know, it it is a single 48 megapixel camera, very capable in good light. You know? It's hard to buy a phone with bad camera these days. You do get, like, a two times crop zoom mode.

前置的新自拍摄像头非常酷炫好用。

You get the new selfie camera on the front, very which is very cool and nice.

顺便问下，那个功能真的有效吗？突然想到这个。就是...那个能拍横向自拍、能拍方形裁切自拍的功能，因为它用的是方形传感器，这些宣传的功能都真的能用吗？

Does that work, by the way? Just random digression. Does it Yeah. Does the the thing where it it'll do the landscape selfies, it'll do the crop selfies because it has the square sensor, like, does that all work as advertised?

确实可以。我们测试发现需要至少四个人入镜，就是得有人移动进画面并看向摄像头，才会触发横向模式，这让我觉得...怎么说...

It does. You need the thing we learned is that you need at least four people in the frame, like, moving into the frame and looking at the camera to trigger it where it's gonna go landscape mode, which makes me What do

谁会和那么多人一起自拍啊？

selfies with that many people?

我也不知道。我就...

I don't know. I'm like

我不...

I don't

有那么多朋友。朋友。

have that many friends. Friends.

比如，什么？是啊。苹果有点不厚道。真的吗？但它确实很酷。

Like, what? Yeah. Kinda rude of Apple. Seriously? But it is cool.

它能做些很酷的事情。但我在Air上怀念的是超广角镜头。你知道，三星Edge就有超广角。虽然它稍厚稍大些，但这是那种你无法用计算摄影解决的问题。比如，如果我在房间里退不开，那就没办法了。

It does some cool stuff. But the the thing I miss on the Air is the ultrawide. You know, the Samsung Edge has an ultrawide. It is a little bit thicker and bigger, but that's just one of those things you can't, like, computational photography your way out of. Like, if I can't back up in a room, that's it.

对。你只能这样，整个人往后仰。所以有些情况下我会想，这可是价值一千美元的手机，我却做不到这点。感觉不太对劲。

Right. You're just doing one of these where you're, like, leaning all the way back. So there's a few situations you get into where I'm like, this is a thousand dollar phone, and I can't do this. This doesn't feel quite right.

是啊。是啊。而且这些妥协在你花钱少的时候总是更容易接受。就像我们上周讨论的折叠翻盖手机那样。少花钱少个摄像头还能理解。

Yeah. Yeah. And and those those trade offs are always easier to stomach when you're paying less money. This is like what we talked about last week with the the folding and flipping phones. It's like, it's one thing to be like, oh, you get fewer cameras for fewer dollars.

这说得通。但这是贵的那款，功能反而更少。你就会觉得，这逻辑最终不太成立。Jake，你也用过自拍摄像头，众所周知，你是The Verge最爱自拍的人，我觉得。

That makes sense. But here is the expensive one. It does less stuff. And you're like, well, that doesn't compute quite the same way in the end. Jake, you've you've also gotten to use the selfie camera, and you, as everyone knows, are the most prone selfie taker at the verge, I would say.

不停拍。不停拍。如果要问谁最常自拍，那绝对是Jake，而且遥遥领先。

Nonstop. Nonstop. Put if you were like, who is taking the pictures of themselves the most often, it's Jake, and it's not close.

每个房间都装了第一盏灯以防我需要拍照。

What's the first light set up in every room just in case I need to take some photos.

你只要随身戴一个，比如用胸带固定那种。

You just have one attached, like, with a chest strap at all times.

我做饭时总在Slack上给你发这些照片。

I'm constantly slacking you these photos when I'm cooking dinner.

是啊。你觉得新自拍摄像头怎么样？毕竟全系列机型用的都是同一款对吧？

Yeah. How have you found the the new selfie cam? Because it's the same one across all the models. Right?

对。挺有意思的，我拿17和16做了对比，画质上自拍效果完全一样。

Yeah. Yeah. So it it's interesting. I I did side by sides with the 17 and the 16. And quality wise, the the selfies look identical.

对吧？我觉得自拍风格没啥大变化。其实就是多了个自动横屏的小技巧——我有点矛盾，一方面我个人觉得横屏拍全景自拍并不难。

Right? Like, I I don't think a lot has changed in the character of the selfies. It really just is this trick where it just goes sideways automatically for you. You don't have to it I I'm a little torn. Like, on one hand, I I did not personally find turning my phone sideways to take a landscape selfie all that difficult.

但另一方面，绝大多数自拍都是竖屏的。大家习惯竖着拿手机，而苹果现在让竖屏时更容易把所有人拍进画面——他们彻底把自拍功能傻瓜化了。

On the other hand, selfies, by far, are shot in portrait. Right? People are holding their phone upright. And Apple has now made it easier to get everybody in the frame while you're doing that. They have fully dummy proofed the selfie.

你知道吗？它确实有效。所以我不认为这对所有人来说都必然是革命性的。我不认为你的自拍会因此变得更美。但它会让很多人拍自拍稍微容易些吗？

And you know what? It works. So I I don't think this is going to be necessarily, like, revolutionary for everybody. I don't think your selfies are gonna look better. Is it gonna make it slightly easier for a lot of people to take selfies?

毫无疑问。

Absolutely.

是啊。我觉得‘傻瓜式操作’就是iPhone相机的发展史。就像我们多次讨论过的，他们的核心理念就是如何减少拍出废片的几率——这固然是高尚的目标，但或许不该是相机厂商唯一的追求。

Yeah. Yeah. I think dummy proof is, like, the story of the iPhone's camera. As we've, you know, talked about many times, it is their whole thing is basically how do we make it harder to take bad pictures, which I think is a good and noble goal, but is maybe not the only goal that a camera manufacturer should have.

没错。如果你想创作摄影作品或拍出所谓‘大师级’照片，这可能不符合你的需求。但要知道，自拍相机已存在十多年了，这是我第一次看到主流手机厂商真正思考：或许我们该为主流用户的自拍习惯做优化。

Yeah. I mean, if if you're a person who wants to take creative photos or or, you know, quote unquote, great photos, it's you know, maybe it's not what you want. But I I do think, you know, we've been doing selfie cameras for well over a decade now. And this is the first time I can really think of a a major phone being like, hey. Maybe we should optimize for the main way that people shoot selfies.

知道吗？这个思路非常合理。

And know what? That makes a lot of sense.

是啊。嗯。我接受这个观点。那么艾莉森，关于这款Air机型，作为普通消费者——比方说我手头这台iPhone 13已经快报废了，到了该升级的时候，我真心实意想决定该买哪款iPhone，不带任何先入为主的观念——究竟谁适合买这款Air？

Yeah. Mhmm. I buy it. So, Allison, just to cover off on the on the air here, where where do you land in terms of, like, I'm just a person. I have an I don't know.

我这部iPhone 13已经快不行了，确实该换新机了。我现在纯粹在纠结该选哪款iPhone，没有任何预设立场。这款Air到底适合哪些人？

I have an iPhone 13 that is, like, on its last legs. It's time for me to upgrade, and I'm just earnestly trying to decide which iPhone to buy. I'm not, like, coming to it with any preconceived notions. Who is the Air the right phone for?

这真是个奇怪的现象。如果你用的是iPhone 13，我会推测你是那种喜欢长期持有手机的人。你不想每两年就跑一趟苹果商店，说‘请给我最新款iPhone’。这款手机显然不适合这类用户。

This is a a weird one. So if you have an iPhone 13, I would infer about you that you like to hold on to your phone. You don't wanna be going into an Apple store every two years. Be like, I'll take the new iPhone, please. The iPhone here is not for that person.

我认为它的电池会更快耗尽。比起Pro版甚至标准版，你可能会更快触及它的性能上限。所以这不像是一款适合‘设置好就忘掉’用户的手机。我现在的理解是，它更像是一种宣言——适合那些会说‘知道吗？’的人。

I think the battery is gonna run down faster. I I think you're just gonna run up against the limits of what it can do sooner, I think, than a pro or maybe even the regular. So this doesn't feel like a phone for a person who wants to kind of set it and forget it. The way I've come around to thinking about it is that it's a little bit of a statement. It's sort of for a person who's like, you know what?

现在的手机都太大了。我不需要那些花哨功能，也不喜欢。我宁愿用更轻巧的手机。随身带充电宝没问题，或者我总在电源附近，随时补电也不麻烦。

Phones are huge. I don't need all that. I don't like all that. I would just rather exist with a smaller lighter phone. I'm fine having this battery pack on me all the time, or I am always near a power outlet, and it's not a problem to just, you know, top off the battery throughout the day.

我觉得这是一种更悠闲舒适的用机方式。

It's kind of a a leisurely comfortable way to live with your phone, I think.

此刻肯定有一群iPhone mini爱好者对着耳机怒吼：‘你刚才说的正是他们应该继续生产mini版的理由！’我要告诉这些人：我和你们观点一致。

There is a cohort of iPhone mini loving people who are screaming at their headphones right now, saying, you just described the reason they should have kept making the mini. I And to all of those people, just know that I agree with you.

我懂。但亲爱的mini用户们，这可不是小手机——它是具有小手机气质的大手机。它依然...

I know. And to to my iPhone mini friends, this is not a small phone. It is a big phone with small phone energy. It is still like

噢，这个说法我喜欢。

Oh, I like that.

你还是

You still

需要伸手越过屏幕。它更轻巧，手感更好。我能把它塞进牛仔裤前袋，就像我携带iPhone mini的方式。但它终究不是小手机，所以对大家我很抱歉。

have to reach across the screen. It's lighter. It feels nicer in that way. I can fit it in the front pocket of my jeans, which is how I carry my iPhone mini. But it's just it's not a small phone, so I'm sorry to everybody.

确实。这很公允。'拥有小手机能量的大手机'，我觉得这种说法很贴切。不过，有多少人愿意为此做出特定牺牲——尤其是续航方面——嗯，就为了获得这种尺寸和形态，会是个有趣的观察点。

Yeah. That's fair. Big phone with small phone energy is is actually, I think, a very good way to think about it. But, yeah, I I think it's going to be interesting to see how many people are willing to make the particular sacrifices you have to make, I think, especially on battery life Mhmm. In order to get the size and shape of the thing.

我今年还没买新iPhone。总还有时间考虑。嗯...我需要先亲手体验下Air，才能决定是否该淘汰16升级。是的。

And I have not yet bought an iPhone this year. There's there's always still time. But Mhmm. I need I need to hold the air before I make a decision on whether it's time to get rid of the 16 and move up. Yeah.

好了，现在聊聊你吧Jake。今年发布会后我有个强烈感觉——这是多年来第一次——基础款iPhone会成为大多数人的正确选择。就像那些只想单纯升级手机，没有预设立场，只想要部好iPhone的用户。

Alright. So now let's let's switch gears to you, Jake, because I think this year, for the first time in a while, my sense coming out of the event was that the base iPhone was going to be the right iPhone for most people. In in that same, like, I'm just looking to upgrade my phone. I have no preconceived notions. I just want a good iPhone.

17看起来具备所有该有的升级，价格合适，似乎比以往更接近'那一款'理想机型。实测后你的感受如何？这个判断还成立吗？

The 17 looked coming out like it had all the right upgrades. The price was good. It seemed like it it was it was closer to being the one than it has been in a while. How does it feel after testing? Is that is that still where you land?

当然。我在评测17前试用了16一周，简直让我抓狂。懂吗？常亮显示是革命性的必备升级，作为手机核心功能，标准款iPhone居然长期缺失这个，实在匪夷所思。

Oh, yeah. I I tried living with the iPhone 16 for a week before I reviewed the 17, and it was driving me crazy. Right? The the always on screen is such a dramatic essential upgrade. So it's such a critical part of a phone that it it's kind of bamboozling that it has not been part of the standard iPhone for so long.

对吧？它是在2022年首次出现在Pro机型上的。而且，你知道为什么直到现在它都还是Pro的专属功能吗？因为它是一个主要的卖点。我觉得这个卖点太重要了，过去几年里，我会跟任何人说，没错，Pro机型之所以值得多花钱，就是因为这个功能太关键了。

Right? It debuted on the Pro in 2022. And, you know, the reason it's remained a Pro exclusive until now is because it's it's a major selling point. I think it's so major that the past several years, I I would have told anybody, like, yeah, like, the Pro is that's so important. You should spend money in the Pro.

现在两款机型有300美元的差价，而你得到的是最棒的功能：常亮显示和高刷新率屏幕。这感觉完全像是和iPhone 16不同的手机。

Now there's a $300 price gap, and you're getting the best features. You're getting the always on display, and it's a high refresh rate screen. It feels like a completely different phone than iPhone 16.

是啊。要说到它明显没做到的优秀功能，我能想到的只有相机了。对吧？你觉得还有哪些重要功能是它仍然缺失的吗？

Yeah. It feels like in terms of sort of obviously great things it doesn't do, the only real thing I can think of is the camera. Right? Like, are there are there sort of big things you feel like it's still missing?

我觉得这就是关键所在。一直以来，这两款机型之间都存在相当大的差距。而且Pro系列往往还包含一些核心功能。现在呢，没错，Pro的主摄像头确实稍微好一点。

I think that's the story here. Right? It it's there's always been, like, a pretty big gulf between the two. And I think there's all also often been essential stuff in the pro line. And now it's, right, it's the main camera is a little bit nicer on the pro.

这很公平。Pro有长焦镜头，这很酷。我喜欢长焦。但我觉得也就这些区别了。

That that's fair. There's a telephoto camera on the pro. That's cool. I like telephoto. But I think I think that's it.

对吧？它有个酷炫的新设计，但这款没有橙色可选。没人会知道你用的是全新iPhone。

Right? Like, it has a it has a cool new redesign. You can't get this one in orange. Right? No one is gonna know you have a brand new iPhone.

需要说明的是，这并非无关紧要。过去七天我们学到了一件事：iPhone的外观对人们极其重要，新增一种颜色是件大事。特别是那种张扬的新颜色，仿佛在宣告'这是最新款iPhone'，这对人们很重要。

Which, to be clear, is not nothing. Like Yep. We've learned one thing in the last seven days, it's that iPhone aesthetics matter an awful lot to people, and the the addition of a new color was a big deal. Like, especially a loud new color that screams, this is a brand new iPhone, that matters to people.

我确实认为这里有些问题。对吧？如果你看这部手机，它看起来和过去六年里每一款iPhone都一模一样。对吧？所以如果你是从iPhone 11升级来的，你根本看不出区别。

I do think there's something there. Right? If you if you look at this phone, it looks the exact same as every iPhone has for the past, like, six years. Right? And and so if you're upgrading from an iPhone 11, you're not gonna be able to tell the difference.

你会觉得，我换了一部一模一样的手机。确实。即便内部变化巨大，这种感觉可能还是让人有点沮丧。

You're gonna be like, I replaced my phone with the same phone. Right. Which maybe feels like a bummer even if the changes inside are enormous.

顺便问下，是那个鼠尾草绿色的吗？

Was that the sage one, by the way?

就是鼠尾草绿。鼠尾草

It is the sage one. The sage

最爱鼠尾草色了。

is love the sage.

这个颜色很棒。对于在YouTube上观看的观众——我讨厌这么做——你能举起来一下吗？这就是艾莉森说她在Zetta手机壳店里一见钟情的那个颜色。第二个镜头。

It's a great one. For for people watching this on YouTube I hate doing this. Can you just hold it up? This is the one Allison said she was taken with at the Take the Zetta's case. For second one.

对。不。让我展示

Yeah. No. Let me show

你这个。

you this.

很可爱。

It's lovely.

你觉得鼠尾草色怎么样？很美。

How do you feel about the sage? Beautiful.

鼠尾草色是个绝妙的颜色。

The sage is a fantastic color.

看起来

It looks

看起来真的非常非常棒。这是很久以来iPhone最漂亮的颜色之一。

it looks really, really nice. It's one of the best iPhone colors in a long time.

确实很漂亮。这是一种很安静的颜色，但看起来非常养眼，我

It is really nice. It's very it's like a quiet color, but really nice looking, which I

真的很感激。就像，饱和度还不够。是的。这不是那种，对，这不是耳语般的音量

really appreciate. Like, doesn't saturated enough. Yeah. It's not like, yeah, it's not it's not a whisper

终于啊。苹果这次做了颜色调整，而不像以前——我总觉得苹果的配色方案就是直接把iPhone往油漆罐旁边一放就发货给你。这次他们是真的给产品上色了，非常令人兴奋。

of Yeah. Finally, Apple did colors instead of just like I always think of Apple's color scheme as they just, like, put the iPhone down next to a can of paint and then ship it to you. This one, they actually they painted the things this way. It's very exciting.

看起来确实很棒。

Looks really good.

是啊。天呐。既然已经用过17了，Jake，说说缺点吧？你对17有什么不满意的地方？

Yeah. God. So having used having used the 17 now, Jake, what's what are the downsides? What do you not like about the 17?

我的意思是...我又要老生常谈地抱怨iOS的通知管理了，但没人会因为这个放弃iPhone对吧？如果你想买iPhone，它终究还是那个优秀的iPhone。

What I I mean, again, I'm just gonna keep complaining about notification management on iOS, but, like, that's not no nobody's here for that. Right? If if if you want an iPhone, you like, it's still an iPhone. It's great. No.

说实话，我在iPhone 16上遇到的最大问题都已经解决了。比如屏幕问题。我不认为存在重大缺陷，也没有觉得有什么难以接受的限制。

I truly, the the the biggest issues that have that I had with the iPhone 16 have been mitigated. Right? They were they were the screen. I don't think I have major pro like, I don't think there are major flaws. I don't think there are major restrictions that that are only right.

比如...具体说不上来。可能有些ProRes功能我用不了？我自己都搞不清楚。无所谓啦，反正我也不需要用ProRes格式拍摄。

Like, I don't know. Are there some ProRes features I can't get? I I couldn't even tell you. That's fine. Like, I I I don't need to shoot in ProRes.

没关系。

That's fine.

我能不能说，这个问题难以回答恰恰说明基础款iPhone取得了巨大进步？因为多年来，艾莉森，我们一直在经历这种纠结——我手头有份优缺点清单，得绞尽脑汁向你解释：硬件微升级、新按钮、摄像头的小改进，这些是否值得你多花几百美元换新机。

Can I just say the fact that that question is really hard to answer is so exciting and such a big deal for the base iPhone? Because it's like Yeah. Allison, you and I have been going through this for years where it's like, okay. Mhmm. I have I have a a list of things on each side, and I have to try and explain to you whether the this tiny upgrade to the the hardware and this new button and this tiny new thing in the camera, all of that adds up to you should, you know, spend a few 100 more dollars and get a new phone.

现在我们终于不用再这样了。对吧？就像很多产品一样——稍后我和V会讨论手表——但我觉得手表的发展轨迹是：基础款已经很完美，加钱只是获得健康监测功能。

We just don't have to do that anymore. Right? Like, and and that's the thing with so many of these things. Like, V and I are gonna talk about the watches later, but I think what happened with the watches was they were basically, like, the the base one is a great one. And then for a little more money, you get the health stuff.

这种选择完全合理，关键是基础款没有任何功能缺失。iPhone有史以来第一次——至少在我的记忆里——基础款不再让人觉得有所欠缺。

And it's like that that is a completely understandable decision, but there's nothing missing from the base model. And it feels like the iPhone for the first time in kind of as long as I can remember, there's nothing missing on the base iPhone.

没错。你再也不用忍受苹果那种'想要完整体验就得加钱'的套路。杰克，你是那种会为120Hz刷新率买单的人吗？你能明显看出区别并为此纠结吗？

Yeah. It it doesn't feel like you're putting up with something, and Apple's being like, well, if you want that, you really gotta pay a few extra $100. Right. Jake, are you like a promotion guy, 120 hertz? Can you see you see the difference and it bothers you kinda deal?

当然。一旦适应了高刷屏，就很难回去了。我用了一周标准版后，感觉所有操作都变得迟滞——毕竟之前用的是120Hz屏。

Yeah. Absolutely. And I think, like, once you get used to that, it's it's very hard to go back. It it's like even after a week with the standard model coming from a one twenty hertz display, everything felt so, like, sluggish.

我的iPhone16正听着我们对话，这些讨论让它非常沮丧。它现在正默默...

My iPhone 16 is sitting here, and it's it's hearing you, and it's really upset by all of this. It's just letting

你知道的。

you know.

你一直在伤害我那还很新的iPhone的感情。

You've been hurting the feelings of my Still very new iPhone.

我我不知道你是怎么忍受那东西的。真的，它严重影响了我的效率，没有一个常亮的屏幕。真的影响很大。

I I don't know how you're living with that thing. It's I I seriously like, it's hurting my productivity, not having a screen that's on. Like, it really is.

我得说，Allison，我们上周讨论过常亮显示。有几个人联系我说，嘿，你可以试试关掉常亮显示的壁纸。我去关掉iPhone 16的壁纸时才发现，哦对，我根本没有常亮显示功能。

I will say, Allison, you and I talked about the always on display last week. And a couple of people reached out and were like, hey. One thing you should try is turning off the wallpaper on the always on display. And I went to turn off the wallpaper on my iPhone 16 and was like, oh, right. I don't even have an always on display.

真的，我太讨厌这个功能了，以至于我买了个根本不支持它的手机都没意识到。

Like, it's it's been I hated it so much. I bought a phone that doesn't support it without even realizing.

好吧。Jake，你对常亮显示壁纸变暗功能怎么看？

Okay. I wanna Jake, where do you stand on the wallpaper dimming on the always on display?

我以为我会讨厌它，因为我过去从没用过这个功能。但实际上完全没问题，一点都没困扰到我。

I thought I was gonna hate it because I I have not been using that feature in the past. And, actually, it's totally fine. It doesn't bother me at all.

是的。好吧。再来一票完全支持这个

Yes. Okay. One more vote for totally This

这太糟糕了。你给我出去。

is the worst. You get out.

你们这些人

You guys

太差劲了。从优点来说，艾莉森，你并没有评测它。托德·黑兹尔顿正在评测，我们会在节目说明中附上链接。但你经常和它一起使用。与其他这些手机相比，感觉如何？

are terrible. So on the pro, Allison, you've you're not reviewing it. Todd Hazleton is reviewing it, and we'll we'll link to that in the show notes. But you've used it a bunch along with it. How does it feel compared to kind of these other phones?

比如，它更大更重。它是一个更，嗯，实在的设备。实际上，今年感觉更明显，因为Air可以做得更薄。这款不需要。那么，作为现在使用的手机，Pro感觉如何？

Like, it is bigger and heavier. It is the more, like, substantial device. And, actually, it seems like more so this year because the Air is allowed to be the thin one. This one doesn't have to be. Like, how how does the Pro feel just as a phone to use right now?

是的。在Air和Pro之间切换感觉有点像作弊，大多数人不会处于这种情况。所以Pro确实感觉有点密集和沉重。如果不是我用了这么多Air，我想我不会注意到。转向更弯曲的边缘，我不是特别喜欢。

Yeah. It it feels a little like a cheat kind of going between the Air and the Pro is is, like, not the situation most people are gonna be in. So the the pro really did feel kind of just like dense and heavy in a way. I I don't think it would have really struck me if I hadn't been using the air so much. The the switch to the more curved edges, I don't particularly like.

所以上一代16 Pro的侧面更直。我觉得那样握在手里更舒服。我可以抓住另一部手机。我不觉得它会飞出去。大多数人会给手机装个保护壳。

So the last the 16 Pro had more straight sides. I feel like that is nicer in my hand. I can grab on another phone. I don't feel like it's gonna go flying. Most people could put a case on their phone.

这并不会困扰他们。

This does not bother them.

是啊。

Yeah.

这让我有点小困扰，但我依然很感激小尺寸Pro拥有大尺寸Pro Max的全部核心功能，比如同样的长焦镜头。说到底只是电池续航和屏幕大小的区别，如果你在意这些的话。是的，这款小Pro始终是我最偏爱的机型。

It bothers me a tiny bit, but I'm I'm still just appreciative of the smaller pro being everything that the bigger pro is, like the pro max. You get the same telephoto camera. You know, it's just a matter of battery life really and screen size if that's a thing to you. Yeah. The the little pro kind of remains my my little pet favorite of of the bunch.

这是部非常棒的手机。但我会推荐的人群越来越少了，因为如果你想要Pro的所有功能，很可能也会想要更大的电池和屏幕来发挥这些功能。所以我不确定标准版Pro的目标用户是谁，不过我也理解你的感受。这部手机有种让我特别钟爱的特质，就像是'中庸之道'的化身，我正因如此而爱它。

It is a very good phone. I think there are increasingly few people I would recommend it to because it's like, you want all the things that the Pro has, you probably also want more battery and more screen on which to do those things. So I'm like, I'm not sure who the base Pro is for, but I also am with you. And that, like, there's something about that phone that I just really love. It's like you are you are the in between phone, and I love you for that.

没错。我内心OS：求你别变样，别变大，别消失。

Yeah. I'm like, just please don't go anywhere. Don't get bigger. Don't disappear.

苹果啊明年把这款做轻薄些，一切就完美了。

Next year, Apple, take that one and make it thin, and everything will be fine.

哇哦。震撼到我了。

Woah. Mind blown.

iPhone Pro Air，我会爱上那款手机，我会来上节目，花一个月时间吐槽这个名字有多蠢。这就是我对你的承诺。艾莉森，关于摄像头的问题。因为，我认为如果我们审视这一点，从基础款iPhone升级到iPhone Pro的唯一最具吸引力、甚至可以说是唯一的理由，依然是摄像头。你是我们三人中最专业的摄影师。

The iPhone Pro Air, and I will I will love that phone, and I will come on the show, and I will spend a month talking about how stupid the name is. And that is that is my promise to you. Allison, question on the the camera thing. Because, right, I think if if we're looking at it and we're saying the the single most compelling and and in many ways only reason to go from base iPhone to iPhone Pro is still about the cameras. You're you're the most professional photographer of the three of us.

今年这个升级理由对你来说有多大的吸引力？

How compelling is that case to you right now this year?

你知道，这确实让你跻身于真正在意画质的那类用户，我想我们三个都是。基础款iPhone的主摄像头传感器比Pro系列略小一些。在光线充足时你根本察觉不到差异，人像模式也够用。我注意到差异的地方——Air机型的主摄传感器也和基础款一样较小——在于两倍焦距的人像模式。

It's you know, it does put you in a in a class of, like, you really care about image quality, which is all all three of us, I think. So on the base iPhone, the camera sensor in the main, camera is just a little smaller than the one you get on the pros. You do not notice anything about this in good lighting. Portrait mode's fine. Where I see a difference, and I'm the Air also has the smaller sensor on the main, as the base iPhone is in the two x portraits.

如果有人没听懂也没关系，直接买基础款就行。但如果你明白两倍人像模式的意义并且惊呼'天啊我绝不能放弃这个'——比如我经常用人像模式给孩子拍照——

So if if I've lost anybody, then that's fine. Just buy the base iPhone. If you know what I mean by the two time portraits and you're screaming like, oh god, I can't give that up. Like, I I take portrait mode photos constantly. Take them of my kid.

两倍变焦实在太适合这种场景了。一倍太广角，今年Pro的四倍变焦其实很棒，但有时又过于近了。但在弱光环境下，你能看出区别——你是在用更小传感器的一部分区域拍摄，会丢失Pro机型能保留的细节。

The two times zoom is just so nice for that. The one x feels too wide. The four x on the pros this year is actually very nice, but sometimes that's too close anyway. But I can see the difference. In low light, you know, you're taking a small a a portion of a smaller sensor, and you lose detail that the pro hangs on to.

所以差异都在细微之处。我不认为'为了两倍人像就该多花钱买Pro'是个充分理由，但如果你追求这个，差异确实存在。

So it's it's in the minutiae. I don't think there's a a great case for oh, you really should spend extra on the pro because two times portraits, but it's it's there if you go looking for it.

是啊。我觉得从苹果战略角度看很有趣，但作为普通消费者也令人兴奋。因为某种程度上，现在选择买哪款iPhone比过去简单多了——到iPhone 17时代，如果你只想要部好手机就买基础款；想要顶级摄像头就买Pro；追求颜值就买Air。

Yeah. I think I I I find this all really interesting, like, from an Apple strategy perspective, but from a just like I'm a person who wants a phone perspective, really exciting. Because in many ways, I think this decision of which iPhone to buy is kinda easier than it's been in a long time, where it's like, do you just want a really good iPhone by the by the iPhone 17? If you want the camera, buy the Pro. If you want the, like, aesthetics, buy the Air.

就像，搞定收工。对吧？我觉得双方都有些小的取舍，但事实是，这是我记忆中长久以来手机之间最清晰的一次分界了。

Like, done and done. Right? And I think there there are small trade offs on each side, but that fact, it it is as clean a delineation between the phones as I can remember, like, in a long time.

是啊。对我们这些推荐手机的人来说，这真的很有帮助。

Yeah. It's very helpful to us. Yeah. People who recommend phones.

我们的制作人Travis刚在Slack上找我。他说Air是橙色的，不过他的观点挺有道理。

Travis, our producer, just Slacked me. The air is an orange, though, and he makes a reasonable point.

但我确实觉得，对于普通买家来说，这几年真的很让人沮丧。对吧？那个写着iPhone的，就是最基础的iPhone，它本应该是手机的精简版。而我真的感觉近几年并非如此。但今年，情况明显就是这样了。

But I do think, like, it's it's been so frustrating, I think, for the the typical buyer. Right? The thing that says iPhone, right, the plain old iPhone, it should it should be the essential version of the phone. And I I truly feel like that has not been the case in recent years. And this year, I it is so clearly the case.

对吧？我觉得你不会错过什么重要的东西。你会拥有一部很棒且耐用的手机。而且，虽然我不知道Pro系列接下来会有什么新功能，但目前看来并没有任何明显的缺憾会让你觉得‘太糟糕了’。

Right? Like, I I don't think you're missing anything major. I think you'll have a fantastic phone for a while to go. And, you know, I don't know what's coming next for the pro, but it it doesn't feel like there's any obvious thing at the moment that, I don't know, you have to be like, well, that's too bad. Yeah.

对吧？你只是没有均热板散热系统而已。

Right? You don't get a vapor chamber cooling.

哦，天哪。我该怎么办？是啊，我没有均热板。没法用它来‘蒸腾’了。

Oh, no. Whatever will I do? Yeah. I don't have a vapor chamber. I can't vape with it.

比如，我们到底在这儿干嘛呢？

Like, what are we even doing here?

如果他们给Pro版装个电子烟功能。哦不，什么都没变。对美国来说是这样，但他们手机销量会大增。

If they build a vape into the pro. Oh, no. Nothing's changed. For America, but they will sell a lot of phones.

确实。好吧，在结束前我们有个热线问题需要三人一起回答。这问题让我思考得比预想中更久。来，我先播放一下录音，然后我们讨论。

Indeed. Alright. So before I let you guys go, we got a hotline question that the three of us are gonna answer together. And it is it caused me to think more than I thought it would. So here, let me just play it, and then we're gonna talk about it.

知道吗？我觉得每个用iPhone Air的人都可能把手机掉沙发缝里。这将成为史上最容易丢失的手机。

You know what? I feel like anybody who has an iPhone air is now susceptible to losing their phone in the couch. It's gonna be the most loseable phone ever.

好的，这里有两个问题。第一，艾莉森，判断题：这款手机是不是特别容易丢？

Okay. So here are two questions. A, Allison, true or false? Is this is this a very loseable phone?

哦，确实。我有次带着iPhone Air坐飞机，通常放口袋里，结果走动时手机就滑出来了。当时那种感觉就像——完蛋了。

Oh, true. Yeah. I was on a a plane and had the iPhone air. I usually put it in my pocket, and it has happened that the phone will kind of fall out when I'm moving around. And then then you're in that situation where you're like, oh god.

手机卡在座椅某处。空乘说别调座椅，否则电池可能起火什么的。我差点恐慌发作，以为手机从口袋掉进座椅缝隙里了。然后你就得...

It's in the seat somewhere. They say, don't adjust your seat because you're gonna start a fire with the battery or something like that. Had almost a full panic attack because I thought it had fallen out of my pocket, and it it will just slip right in between the seats. And then you gotta

就叫它

call it

空乘人员。长话短说，我只是把它放进包里然后就忘了

flight attendant. Long story short, I just I put it in my bag, and I forgot it

就在我包里。但那是个

was in my bag. But that's a

绕了一大圈才说，是的。这感觉就像你会掉在沙发缝里的那种手机。

long way of saying, yes. This feels like a phone that you will lose in the couch.

这是一部容易丢失的手机，甚至可能以你意想不到的方式丢失。是的。好吧。然后我的另一个问题是，其他人是不是也经常差点弄丢手机？因为我总是差点弄丢手机。

It is a it is a losable phone even maybe not in the ways that you think it's gonna be a losable phone. Yes. Okay. And then my other question is, does everyone else almost lose their phone all the time? Because I almost lose my phone all the time.

比如昨天，我坐在车里。手机悄无声息地从口袋滑落，掉在了座椅和车门之间的缝隙里。我花了半个下午都在想，哦不，我手机丢了，永远找不回来了。

Like like, yesterday, I was sitting down in the car. Phone just slipped out of my pocket without even noticing, and fell, like, in the side between the seat and the car door. And I spent, like, half the afternoon being like, oh, no. I've lost my phone. It's gone forever.

我也曾在沙发垫缝里丢过手机。还会莫名其妙把手机落在根本不该放的地方。这难道是我特有的某种病症，还是大家都经常差点弄丢手机？

I have also lost my phone in couch cushions. I have also just randomly left my phone places that it doesn't make sense to leave your phone. Like, is this like a specific medical condition that I have, or does everyone almost lose their phone all the time?

如果我要弄丢手机，那一定是在车里那种情况下，因为它会卡在座椅和中控台那些复杂的缝隙里，我得花好多时间从车底满是金鱼饼干屑的地方把它捞出来。没错。但我已经训练自己把手机放在固定位置——厨房有固定放置点，电视房也有。每当出现‘啊我手机不见了’的瞬间，

I if I'm gonna lose it, it is in that exact situation in the car because it will just go in between all the weird inner workings of the seat and the console, and I will spend a lot of time, like, fishing it out from the bottom of the car where there's a lot of goldfish crumbs. Yep. But I've trained myself, I think, to leave my phone in very specific places. So if I go in the kitchen, there's like a place I put it down in the kitchen. If I go in the TV room, I and and when I when I have that moment of, oh, I lost my phone.

只要去那几个固定位置找，通常都能找到。但这是我刻意培养的习惯，否则我可能天天都在找手机。

I don't remember where it is. I go to one of those spots, and it's usually there. But I have had to, like, actively do that. Otherwise, I would lose my phone all the time.

好吧，原来不止我这样。杰克坐在这儿仿佛在说‘我这辈子从没丢过手机’。我...

Okay. That's not just me. Jake is sitting here like I've never lost a phone in history. I I used

以前我做得特别好，因为用完手机就直接塞回口袋。但现在手机变大了，硅胶壳又流行，用久了会变得黏腻，很难滑进口袋。所以现在我就随便乱放，

to be, like, really, really good at this because I I just always just, like, put it straight back in my pocket when I was done with it. And now phones got bigger, and these, like, silicone cases are really popular. And as they get older, they get kinda, like, funky. They, like, don't slip into pockets very well. And so now I'm just I'm just, like, stick it wherever.

可能在任何地方。丢了就丢了吧，都是天意。

It's like I don't know. It could be anywhere. It's fine. If it gets lost, it it was meant to be.

苹果手表最棒的功能就是能让手机发出声响——虽然我使用这个找手机功能的频率高得让我自己都难为情。好了，我们该进段广告。艾莉森、杰克，感谢参与，祝你们在未来可预见的日子里承受住评论区火力的洗礼。

Hands down, the best feature of the Apple Watch is the thing where it will make my phone make noise so that I can find it, which I do more often than I'm proud of. Alright. We need to take a break. Alison and Jake, thank you both for doing this. Good luck being just in the crosshairs of our commenters for the foreseeable future.

广告之后马上回来。

We gotta take a break. We'll be right back.

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Support for the show comes from NPR's LifeKit. No matter what stage of life you are in, whether you're just starting out or whether you're basking in your twilight years, we all need a little help navigating relationships, parenting, finance, career, and everything in between. That's why there's LifeKit. LifeKit delivers strategies to help listeners make meaningful, sustainable change by offering real stories, relevant insights, and clear takeaways to help you meet those decision making moments with confidence and clarity. Whether you're looking for guidance on how to parent in the screen age, how to revive a sense of play as an adult, how to incorporate more plants into your diet, or how to realistically save for retirement, there's a Life Kit episode for that.

最新节目提供实用技巧：用健康习惯替代手机瘾、规划晚年社区生活、有效防蚊叮咬。LifeKit不仅是自我提升类播客，更是即刻改善生活的指南。立即收听NPR出品的LifeKit播客。

The most recent episodes give you tips for how to replace your phone cravings with healthier habits, how to approach communal living in your twilight years, and how to actually avoid mosquito bites. Life Kit isn't just another podcast about self improvement. It's about understanding how to live a little better starting now. Listen now to the Life Kit podcast from NPR.

本节目由LinkedIn广告赞助。创业时每个决策都关乎存亡，容不得半分浪费。若B2B营销仍未见效，可能因为你无意间在错误群体中布道。要精准触达专业人群，请选用LinkedIn广告。据其数据，LinkedIn已拥有超10亿专业人士和1.3亿决策者网络。

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这正是其独特优势所在。您可按职位、行业、公司、角色、资历、技能、公司营收等维度精准定位买家，终结预算浪费。因此LinkedIn广告在所有在线广告网络中拥有顶尖的B2B广告投资回报率——毫不夸张地说，没有之一。

That's where they stand apart from other advice. You could target your buyers by job title, industry, company, role, seniority, skills, company revenue. All so you can stop wasting budget on the wrong audience. That's why LinkedIn ads boast one of the highest b to b return on ad spend of all online ad networks. Seriously, all of them.

因此，将您的广告展示给合适的人群，让您的B2B策略发挥作用。您可以在领英广告上首次投放250美元，即可获得下一轮250美元的免费信用额度。只需访问linkedin.com/vergecast。即linkedin.com/vergecast。条款与条件适用。

So get your ads in front of the right people and make your b to b strategy work. You can spend $250 on your first campaign on LinkedIn ads and get a free $250 credit for the next one. Just go to linkedin.com/vergecast. That's linkedin.com/vergecast. Terms and conditions apply.

好了，我们回来了。Vsong也在这里。嗨，V。嗨。

Alright. We're back. Vsong is here. Hi, V. Hi.

从美国某个地方的另一个酒店房间，这就是你在这里的日常。

From some other hotel room somewhere in America, this is just what you do here.

我的生活就是在飞机和酒店之间度过。

I live on planes and hotels.

你真的，比如，过去十天里你在家待了多少小时？

You really have, like, spent how many hours have you spent at your home in the last ten days?

不多。嗯，大概三十六小时？是的。差不多就是过去这段时间里的量

Not many. Yeah. Maybe thirty six? Yeah. That's that's how that's probably how many in the last

十天。那还不错。所以，如果我没记错你的行程，你现在是从Meta Connect活动回来的路上。

ten days. That's good stuff. So you're if if I have my schedule correct here, you're currently traveling from Meta Connect.

是的，我是。Meta Connect上发生了什么？你可以在fortheverge.com上读到泄露的消息。不过确实。

Yes. I am. What's happening at Meta Connect? You can read the leaks at fortheverge.com. But Yeah.

天哪。

Gosh.

会是什么呢？马克·扎克伯格戴着他那许多副眼镜。

What could it be? Mark Zuckerberg in his many glasses.

到底可能是什么呢？

What could it possibly be?

没错。好吧，我们改天再聊这个。其实我觉得今年的Metaconnect可能有点低调但有趣，不过我们改天再聊。你还深陷于，哦，那么多苹果产品的评测中。

Exactly. Alright. Well, we'll come back to that another time. I actually think there's a chance Metaconnect is, like, sneaky fascinating this year, but we'll come back to that another time. You are also deep in the throes of, oh, so many Apple reviews.

太多了。我想我想聊聊AirPods，大概两秒钟就够了，因为我觉得这差不多就能讲完AirPods的故事了。哦，你正戴着它们呢。

So many. And I I wanna I wanna talk about AirPods for, like, two seconds because I think that is all that is required to more or less tell the story of AirPods. And oh, you're wearing them.

好吧，我确实戴着。

Okay. I am wearing them.

让我们从佩戴体验开始说起，因为我认为你以及大众对AirPods Pro三代的普遍共识是它们非常出色。我们在发布会后的感受是，这是最直接且卓越的升级，事实似乎也确实如此。

Let's start with the wearing them because I would say that your feeling and the general consensus on the AirPods Pro three is that they are terrific. They were we we came out of the event being like, this is the most straightforwardly great upgrade, and it seems to have been pretty much exactly that.

本质上，苹果在原有优势上做了三重强化，将AirPods所有优点都提升了一个档次，然后思考：用户对AirPods有哪些不满？让我们尝试一并解决。而关于AirPods，无论是科技记者、普通用户还是任何人，我听到最普遍的抱怨始终是佩戴贴合度问题。对吧？要么你天生拥有适合AirPods的耳型——这点适用于常规款和Pro系列，要么就与之无缘。

Basically, Apple went and tripled down on a good thing, made everything that you like about the AirPods better, and then said, what do you not like about the AirPods? Let's see if we can fix that too. And, you know, the by and large, the largest the most common complaint that I've ever heard about AirPods from people who are tech journalists, from people who are normal people, from just anyone is the fit. Right? Because either you are blessed with ears that the AirPods fit into, and that's true across the regular AirPods range or the Pro range, or you're you're just not.

你的耳道结构就是与AirPods不匹配。当你首次从充电盒取出AirPods Pro三代时，乍看之下，它似乎毫无变化。对吧？

You're just not blessed with the the the ear canal for for an AirPod. And, you know, you take the AirPods Pro three out the case at a first glance. Yeah. It just looks the same. Right?

但碰巧我手边有自用的AirPods Pro二代，将其取出对比后就会发现：噢，形状明显不同。Pro二代更扁平，而三代更具倾斜角度。当你多角度对比观察时——我的评测中有对比照片——能明显看出三代更符合人体工学设计。

But then I happen to have my own personal pair of the AirPods Pro two. You take that out the case and go like, oh, oh, oh, the shape is diff definitely different. The AirPods Pro two are flatter. These are more angled. So when you look at them side to side and you you compare them from every single angle, and we have some comparison photos in my review, you can just tell that they're much more angled and designed to fit in better.

你可以通过旋转微调佩戴角度来实现这点——虽然Pro二代也支持类似操作，但若旋转稍过就会脱落。而三代至少在我的耳型上，能切实感受到密封性增强且不产生不适感。

One thing that you can do is you can kind of twist to adjust the fit a little bit with these. And you could you could do that with the AirPods Pro two, but, you know, if you twist it just a little too far, it's gonna pop out. This, you can actually feel it at least with my ear shape, you can feel it get more secure, the seal tightening, and not in an uncomfortable way.

这是入耳式耳机的常规操作，说明书会指导你旋转入耳以获得密封效果。但根据我的经验，AirPods以往并不特别适合这种方式。所以苹果现在重视这点是件好事。

That's a very normal thing for these kind of in ear things that you you kind of they they teach you to sort of put it in and turn it, and that's actually how you get that seal. But AirPods, my my experience has never been are are particularly suited to that. So it's good that they've leaned into that.

他们确实在这方面下了功夫。我戴着它们跑步时，刻意摇头晃脑试图甩落，但它们纹丝不动。所以如果你曾受困于佩戴问题，我建议先去苹果店体验，或借朋友的试戴——毕竟每个人的耳型都独一无二。虽然我个人从未遭遇AirPods的贴合难题。

So they've leaned into that. I went on a run with these, and during that run, I went trying to shake them out of my ear, and they didn't check out. So, you know actually. I really do think that if you've had trouble with Fit before, that you should go to an Apple store or bug your friend who has them to see and and try them out before you commit to buying them. Because every ear shape is unique, and I've I've never had a major problem with AirPods Fit.

所以我并不惊讶自己在这里也没遇到问题。但如果你过去曾遇到过问题，我建议在抱太高期望前先试试看。作为一个没遇到过该问题的人，我觉得它们更适合我。甚至可以说我看到了改进，所以我认为很多人都会感受到提升。

So I'm not surprised that I also don't have a problem here. But if you've had a problem in the past, I would recommend trying trying them out before getting your hopes up too high. I'm just saying as someone who hasn't had that issue, they still fit me better. So, like, there it's like I even I saw an improvement. So I think a lot of people will see an improvement.

这是个好消息。看来增加更多尺寸的耳塞头加上那些微妙的设计改动都是亮点。比较有争议的是材质本身——它们不是泡沫，但又不完全不是泡沫。这些塞进耳朵的东西到底是什么材质？

That's good news. So it seems like, yeah, the the the existence of more sizes of tips plus the little subtle design changes both feel like wins. The thing that seems to be somewhat controversial is the actual material of the things themselves. They're not they're not foam, but they're not not foam. Like, what what are these things you're sticking in your ears?

苹果发布会后我立刻见到了Dan Siefert，熟悉他的人都知道他戴耳塞一直有问题。嗯。所以他用传统泡沫耳塞头。他让我对比展示时直接说：'这不是泡沫耳塞头'。

So So I saw Dan Siefert right after the Apple event, and Dan is is famously, if you know him, he has had problems with earbuds. Mhmm. And so he uses the real traditional foam tip. And he's like, show me these things and show me that foam tip. And I showed him the tip, and he goes, that's not a foam tip.

他说得对，也不全对。这不是传统意义上的泡沫耳塞头。你知道的，传统泡沫耳塞会膨胀，出汗后会变得很恶心。

And he's correct. And he's kind of correct. It's it's not what you would think a traditional foam tip is. You know, foam tip, it's foam. It expands in your ear, and it gets disgusting if you sweat in them.

肉眼看来这些和普通AirPods Pro的硅胶耳塞头完全一样。区别在于最前端——希望这么说不会造成误解——这部分注入了泡沫材质。明白。这样设计是因为这部分会膨胀以实现更稳固的佩戴。

So these, to the naked eye, are gonna look exactly the same as the silicone tips that you're used to from the regular AirPods Pro. The difference is is in the very, like and hopefully, this doesn't mess up anything. In the very front part right here, that's where they've infused some foam. I see. And the reason why they they've done that is that's the part that will expand for the more secure fit.

其余部分是硅胶，这样出汗时不会变得恶心对吧，也更容易清洁。这是我在苹果发布会当天在Apple Park获知的设计理念。所以泡沫确实存在，只是别把它当成传统泡沫耳塞头。

The rest of it is silicone so that when you sweat, it doesn't get disgusting Right. And so that it's easier to clean. That's the the philosophy that I was told when I was at Apple Park on the day of the event. And so, you know, foams there, just don't don't think of it as, like, a traditional foam tip.

你能感觉到区别吗？材质变化会让佩戴感受不同吗？

Do you notice them? Do they feel any different in your ears because of the material change?

绝对不是。就像，它们给我的感觉是佩戴更稳固了。可能部分原因是这种泡沫材质的耳塞头。但单看外观，我觉得它们看起来一模一样，似乎不会有什么区别。

Absolutely not. Like, they just feel like I the the fit feels more secure. It could be that some of that is this foam infused tip. But just looking at them, I was like, this this looks the same. Like, they they won't fit.

比如，你不能把旧款和新款的耳塞头互换使用。嗯。所以这里确实存在差异。但当我戴进耳朵时，它们就稳稳固定住了，这挺有意思的。

Like, you can't interchange the tips between the old ones and the new ones. Mhmm. So there is a difference there. It's just like I I put them in my ears and and they stay. That's interesting.

我对这款耳机最好奇的点在于——你也提到每个人的耳朵都不同——我的问题是长时间佩戴入耳式耳机会让耳朵酸痛。这也是我成为骨传导耳机忠实用户的原因之一。

I think the the thing that I'm most curious about with these is like, you you know, you mentioned everybody's ears are different. My thing is my ears start to get, like, sore after wearing the sort of in ear headphones for too long. It's one of the reasons I've become a huge fan of the the shocks over the the

骨传导技术。我也超爱那种。确实。

the conduction stuff. Know I love those too. Yeah.

没错。骨传导耳机有种特别的优势，由于不堵塞耳道，既不会产生那种头部压迫感，也避免了耳机长时间压迫耳道带来的物理性不适。如果我戴着它们连续几个小时，比如在跨国航班上，摘下来时甚至会感到生理性疼痛。关于这款新耳机，我看到评价两极分化：有人说隔音效果更好，但正因密封性增强反而可能更伤耳朵。

I do. And there's just something about them that is, like, because they're not blocking that ear canal, there's just there's some it's some combination of, like, the buildup of pressure that I feel in my head from having them blocked along with just the physical toll of them pressing against my ear canal. If I wear them, like, for hours and hours, like, on a cross country flight or something, I will come off and, like, feel physical pain as I take them out. And I've seen mixed things on that front in this one. Some people are like, they block sound better, but as a result, they're actually the seal is better, which means they're going to hurt more.

不过苹果似乎一直在改进这点。这也是为什么我对五种尺寸的耳塞头特别期待——通常我会选择最小号，宁愿牺牲些降噪效果也要避免长期佩戴疼痛。现在居然还有更小的尺寸可选，说不定真能解决我的困扰。

But so I think Apple just, like, continues to poke at this. And this is another reason I'm excited about the idea of there being five tip sizes. It's like, what I normally do is just go to the smallest tip size, and I will sacrifice a little bit of the noise cancellation in order to not have them hurt over time. So the idea that I can go even smaller here actually seems potentially like it'll solve that problem for me.

是的。根据我的测试体验：最近两次跨国航班我都长时间佩戴，舒适度不错。这几天为了测评简直戴到离谱的程度，有次连续佩戴七小时写评测——因为总想着'再测试下这个功能'。

Yeah. So here's what I can say from my testing. I wore them on two cross country flights now for several hours at a time, and they were pretty comfortable for me. I did wear I've worn these an obscene amount over the last few days to test them. So when I was wearing them for a really, really long time, like, I wanna say seven hours at a time at one at one point while I was writing my review because I was like, oh, let me let me check this.

让我确认一下我的笔记之类的。我确实感觉到内部有点痒，但这和其他AirPods差不多。不过总的来说，我觉得它们挺舒适的。我没有感受到太多压力积聚，虽然偶尔会有。通常我会取出来休息一会儿，再戴回去。

Let me verify, like, my notes and whatnot. I did have a little bit of, like, itchiness on the inside, but that's just kind of similar to any AirPods. But by and large, I found them quite comfortable. I didn't experience as much pressure buildup, although there were times that I did. And usually, I would just take them out, have a little break, put them back in.

所以如果你对这点比较敏感，可能需要多调整适应。我不认为这个问题会完全消失，但确实有所改善。

So I think if that's something you're sensitive to, you're gonna have to play around with it. I don't think it's gonna go away completely, but it is improved.

好的。我很期待试用它们。这是我立刻决定购买的产品，因为我觉得是时候升级了——我现在还在用闪电接口的普通AirPods，这次更新感觉正合适。所以我很兴奋。

Okay. I'm excited to try them. The these were the one thing I, like, jumped to buy immediately because I'm like, it's it's been a while. I still have the regular AirPods with the lightning port, and it's like, this this feels like the thing to upgrade for. So I'm excited about that.

主要我想聊聊手表，因为我觉得手表的情况似乎复杂得多。根据你目前的发现，我们上周的猜测得到了证实——Watch SE三代才是大多数人应该购买的手表。说说你为什么得出这个结论？

Mostly, I wanna talk about the watch because I think the the watch situation seems much more complicated. And I would say what you found so far is that our our suspicions from last week have been confirmed, which is that the Watch SE three is the watch most people should buy. Tell me why you landed there.

它是明星产品。相比前代有着最大的升级幅度。根据你在意的功能，它和Series系列的差异几乎可以忽略不计。我原本想说Series 11最重要的改进是电池续航，但根据我目前的测试，这个提升相当有限。

It's the star. It has the biggest upgrade from the last generation to the next. So the difference between it and a series watch is almost nonexistent depending on what are the things that you care about. And the big thing that I was gonna say is the was the major thing for the series 11 watch was the improvement in battery, and that was quite modest in my testing so far.

因为看到发布会时你还为此兴奋过。从标称18小时续航跃升到24小时，就像你上周说的，苹果往往低估这些数据。所以6小时的提升意味着33%的电池续航增长，本该很重要。听到实际效果不明显确实让人失望。

Because you were excited about that when we saw the announcements. The jump from eighteen hours of rated battery life to twenty four hours of rated battery life seems like and like you said last week, Apple tends to underestimate those things. So, like, a six hour jump, which is what? Like, a 33% leap in battery life could be a big deal. It's it was a bummer to hear that it wasn't a big deal.

更像是现在24小时的电池预估变得更准确了。

It's more like the twenty four hour battery life estimate is now more accurate.

然而，就像，那个，

Whereas, like, the,

比如，18小时的电池续航估计，我认为是不准确的。它被低估了。现在我觉得24小时是准确的，但仍然有点偏低，只是没那么低。所以，我大概能用到——我是说，很难准确告诉你电池续航预期会怎样，因为我同时在两只手腕上测试三块手表。而且，你知道，这这这更容易，等我能够一次只戴一块手表更长时间，而不是在不同手表间切换，甚至在同一手腕上戴两块表（这意味着要在不同手机间切换），我会有更清晰的概念。

like, the eighteen hour battery life estimate was, I think, inaccurate. It was quite low. And now I think twenty four hours is accurate, but still a little low, just not very low. So I was getting around I mean, it's very hard to fully tell you what the battery life expectation is gonna be on the amount of time I've had testing three watches simultaneously on two wrists. And, you know, there's there it's it's easier, and I'll have a much better idea once I get to just wear one watch at a time for a longer period of a time instead of, like, switching between watches and wearing two watches on same wrist, which means it's switching between phones.

所以请把我的话

So take what I say

当作正常使用场景

as normal use case

而非我个人的特殊用法。我要说的是，把这看作我电池测试的初次尝试——虽然我已经形成了一套成熟流程，会考虑这些因素。在Series 11到手的最初24到48小时里，单次充电我大概能用28到30小时，这比24小时好。但这是否达到了人们期待的36到40小时呢？

that everyone does and is not, like, my specific thing. So I'm gonna say to, like, take this as my first crack at the battery testing, which I, you know, I have my whole process down to a pat. I account for these things. My first twenty four, forty eight hours with the series 11, I got maybe about twenty eight to thirty hours on a single charge, which is better. It's better than twenty four hours, but is it the thirty six to forty hours that I think people were hoping for?

不，并没有。所以如果你用的是Series 9或Series 10，我认为你会发现：即使睡前电量不理想，也不必太担心。醒来时可能还剩3%左右，

No. It's not. Right. So if you're on a series nine, if you're on a series 10, what I think you're gonna find is that you don't have to worry quite as much if you go to bed with less than ideal battery life. You'll wake up, and you'll have, like, 3% left.

类似这种情况，你可以快速放上充电器。它能在约30分钟内从0充到80%。所以，早晨准备时顺手充一下电就完全够用，基本不用多操心。

That sort of thing, and you can hot stick it on a charger. It goes zero to 80 in about thirty minutes. So, you know, it's it's even more true that if you just stick it on a charger while you're getting it ready in the morning, you're good. You're good to go. You don't really have to think about it as much.

不过，你知道，我已经能听到Garmin用户的声音了，他们会说，我们衡量电池寿命不是以小时计，而是以周和月计。这就是

But, you know, the I can already hear the Garmin users going like, well, I measure battery life not in hours, but in weeks and months. This is

我们为你感到高兴。真的。

We're thrilled for you. We really are.

是啊。我为你们感到开心。你们不会对这个电池续航的改变感到惊讶。但如果你是从Series 5、Series 6升级过来的，我相信如果你用过那些手表，电池续航已经很久没有提升了，现在换到这款，你会对现有的电池续航感到满意。但这真的让人兴奋吗？

Yeah. I I love that for you guys. You guys are not gonna be impressed by this battery life change. But, you know, if you are coming from a series five, a series six, and I'm sure if you've had those watches, the battery has decorated since in a long time, and you jump to this, you're gonna be pleased with the battery life that's available. But is it exciting?

对我来说，年复一年地佩戴新款迭代产品，真的让我兴奋吗？我会觉得，哦，它比Series 10稍微好一点。只是

Was it exciting for me having worn the the new iteration year after year? I'm like, oh, it's it's a little bit better than the series 10. Just a

一点点。我觉得有趣的是，根据多年来与人们的交谈，每年升级手表的想法几乎不存在。比如，我认识很多人会说，我每隔一代换一次手机，因为我喜欢手机，想要新功能之类的。我认识一些人会每年换手机，因为他们喜欢新东西。但我不知道有谁会每年换手表。这就像你戴手表直到它坏了，然后才换新的。

little The the thing I think is interesting about this is my my sense from talking to people over the years is that the idea of upgrading your watch every year is essentially nonexistent. Like, I I know I know a lot of people who are like, I get every other phone because I like phones and want the new stuff or whatever. I know people get every phone because they're like, I like the new stuff. I don't know anyone who is like, I get every watch every year. That's just like you you wear your watch until it doesn't work anymore, and then you get a new watch.

所以我认为，这种渐进式的升级节奏在手表中比在其他设备上更容易被接受。

And so I think that makes this sort of iterative upgrade cadence to me even more acceptable on the watch than on some of these other devices.

没错。因为当你真正需要升级时，所有这些小的改变累积起来会带来很大的不同。但我确实认为SE 3在各个方面都有提升。如果你用的是SE 2，除了边框，这款在每一个方面都有改进。边框还是边框，但如果你一直用SE，你就不会知道没有边框的体验有多好。

Yeah. Because when you are when it is time for you to upgrade all of these small changes, they do add up to something big. But I really do think that the SE three, that's just on every single level. If you have an SE two, on every single level except bezels, this has been improved. The bezels are still bezels, but if you've been on the SE, you don't know what you're missing with non bezels.

确实如此。这真的是件很棒的事。唯一我认为SE三系列没获得的新功能是高血压通知，这个我无法详细讨论，因为昨天才刚推出。我正在和所有升级到watchOS 26的用户一起实时测试这个功能——这也印证了我的观点：为什么11系列感觉像是Apple Watch家族里的中间孩子，因为所有炫酷的新功能都不是这款手表独占的。

So Yeah. It's it's a really great thing. And the only thing that's new that I think the SE three is not getting is the hypertension notifications, which I can't really talk about because it rolled out yesterday. And so I am testing that in real time with everybody else who got the watchOS 26 update, which to my point, as to why the series 11 feels like it's the middle child of Apple watches, is that everything that's new and cool that has come to this watch is not exclusive to this watch. Right.

要么Ultra三系列有，要么SE三系列有，或者Apple Watch九代、十代和Ultra二代也都有。所以你会觉得...毕竟SE三系列现在有了常亮显示屏，还有双指捏合和手腕翻转手势。这些曾是我认为SE与标准系列之间决定性差异的功能，现在它们全都有了。

Either the Ultra three has it or the SE three has it, or the Apple Watch series nine, ten, and Ultra two also have it. So you're just kind of like, because the SE three, it's got an always on display. It has the pinchy pinch and the flippy flip. So it has those gestures, and those were the two things that I really felt were kind of deal breakers for me on an SE versus a series. Well, they have them.

没错。需要说明的是，大量旧款手表也能获得所有新功能，这简直是难以置信的好消息。这太棒了。只是意味着大多数拥有近期款手表的人可能不需要换新。不过等等...

Yeah. And to be clear, the thing where a bunch of old watches are also getting all the new features, unbelievably good news. This is this is great. It just means you probably most most people with recent watches probably don't need the new one. But wait.

关于SE的新功能，我想让你按重要性给我排序以下四个特性：快速充电、常亮显示屏、5G网络支持和电池续航提升。我心里对这些功能的重视程度有个排序，但想听听你的看法。快速充电、常亮显示、5G、电池寿命。

In terms of the new things on the SE, I want you to rank four features for me in terms of how big a deal they are. The four features are fast charging, the always on display, five g, and the battery life improvements. I I have a ranking in my head of how much I care about each of those things, but I want you to rank them for me. Fast charging, always on display, five g battery life.

常亮显示屏，第一名。

Always on display, number one.

明白。

Okay.

其他几个是...我们刚说了常亮显示排第一。5G垫底，剩下两个是...常亮还是？

What were the other so we're always on display number one. Five g at the very bottom, and the other two were Always on or

充电和电池续航怎么样。

what charging and battery life.

快速充电排第二，电池续航排第三。因为电池续航仍有18小时。我必须说，这18小时相当不错。我坐过一次13小时的航班，起飞时电量大约87%，到家时还剩27%。

Fast charging is number two, and then battery life is number three. Because the battery life is still eighteen hours. It's pretty it's a pretty good eighteen hours, I I must say. So I was on a thirteen hour flight. I started that flight with maybe about 87% battery, and I got home, and it was at twenty seven.

其实不是整整13小时，算上时差的话，从上飞机到下飞机，电量从87%掉到27%，我觉得已经很棒了。充电十分钟就回升到37%。虽然需要多留意电量，但问题在于电池容量本身有限。

So or not a thirteen hour flight, but because of the time change difference from when I got on to the to the to the flight, and and it was it was it it went from 87 to 27, and I think that's pretty great. Stuck it on the charger for ten minutes, went back up to 37. You know, it's it's it's fine. You're gonna have to baby it a bit more. What happens there is that it's it's just doesn't have as much capacity for for the battery life.

不过有了快充功能就缓解了这个痛点。因为上一代SE没有快充，我们得干等着手表慢慢充电。SE的快充速度不如Series 11，前者45分钟充到80%，后者只要30分钟。

But because you have fast charging, the sting is taken out. Because the last SE didn't have fast charging. Usually, we had to sit there and wait for your watch to charge, and that took a a while. The fast charging is not as fast as on the SE as on the series 11. It's, I think, zero to 80 in forty five minutes as opposed to zero to 80 in 30.

所以确实要多等一会儿。

So you do have to wait a bit longer.

是啊。

Yeah.

但其实也没那么糟。现在有了快充，电池容量小点也就没那么在意了。要是既没容量又没快充，你就只能盯着手表干着急了。

But it's it's not so bad, really. It it it's just kind of like now that the fast charging is there, you don't mind the lesser capacity quite as much. Whereas if you don't have the capacity and you don't have fast charging, you're just sitting there watching at that looking at that watch and going faster.

是的，百分之百。这就是关键所在。充电时间有个限度，我觉得大概一小时吧，如果我的手表充电超过一小时，我很可能会完全忘记它。昨天这事就真实发生在我身上了。

Yes. A 100%. And it is it is the thing. There is there is a amount of time and I think it's probably an hour where if my watch takes more than an hour to charge, there's a strong chance I'm just gonna forget about it. This literally happened to me yesterday.

我...我的手表几乎没电了。我把它放在那个我曾在节目里吐槽过的超慢充电器上充电。结果彻底忘了它，整整24小时都没戴。你看，这种情况是苹果绝对不能允许发生的。

I I my watch was almost dead. I put it down to charge on my incredibly slow charger that I've complained about on the show before. Just flatly forgot about it for twenty four hours. Just didn't put it on. And it's like, that's that's the thing that Apple can't have happen.

对吧？这些设备不能就这样在某个抽屉里默默耗尽电量，否则整个体验就崩坏了。所以我同意你的排序。实际上，看到你说的快速充电功能——虽然不算闪电般迅猛，但就像早上煮咖啡时随手一放，就能充到足够撑完剩余一天的电量。

Right? It's like these these things can't just, like, die in a drawer somewhere or else it all falls apart. So I agree. I would I would rank them the same way. And I actually think seeing what you saw about the fast charging, which is that it's not, like, you know, blistering, but it is like, put it down while you're making coffee in the morning, and it is going to meaningfully charge enough to potentially get you through the rest of the day.

这确实令人兴奋。对我来说意义重大。

Like, that's pretty exciting. That goes a long way for me.

意义非常重大。所以问题本质在于：你是想要更大屏幕、更窄边框和全套健康功能，还是觉得'这些我都不要，宁愿省下150美元'？至于边框嘛，用个黑色背景就完全注意不到了。

It goes a huge way. So it's really a question of whether do you want a bigger screen with smaller bezels and the whole entire health suite of features. Or if you're like, you can keep that. I'm gonna save a $150. And the bezels are I'll just use one of those black backgrounds so I don't notice them at all.

对吧？这就是个取舍问题。我猜Vergecast听众们会说'我愿意为这点精致感买单'。但普通大众——那些还没被智能手表完全说服的绝大多数人——看到SE三代时只会说'无所谓啦'。

Right. Like, that's sort of like, what is the trade off there for you? And the Vergecast listeners, I suspect, will be like, I will pay for the little bit of polish, madam. Sure. But I think the average person, the the vast majority of people, people who have not been totally sold by the smartwatch idea, they're gonna look at the SE three and go, like, whatever.

根据尺寸选择能省120到150美元。其实我给介意边框的人推荐44毫米版的SE三代，因为它的显示区域实际上与42毫米的11系列相近。只要这样想，再多用些黑色背景，你就不会那么在意边框了。

I'll save a 120 to a 150 depending on the size that you want. And my recommendation actually for people who are bothered by bezels is to go up to the 44 millimeter size on the SE three because if you compare the active display area, it's similar to the 42 millimeter series 11. So if if you think about it that way and you trick yourself into using the black backgrounds a bit more, you're really not gonna notice that stuff quite as much.

是的。是的。我现在想想，苹果手表的产品命名方案确实有问题。实际上，SE系列通常让人联想到iPhone SE，它代表的是更基础的产品，对吧？

Yeah. Yeah. I've I've come to think of it as, like I think looking at it now, Apple just got the naming scheme of the watch wrong. That actually what it is is is because the SE typically like, you think about the iPhone SE, it refers to something less. Right?

它不是基础款，而是针对特定人群的特定产品。甚至Watch SE也曾一度如此，就像儿童启蒙智能手表那样。但现在它已不再是那个定位了。

It is not the base model. It is a specific thing for a specific group of people. And even the Watch SE was that for a minute. It was a very much like Fisher Price, my first smartwatch kind of smartwatch. It's not that anymore.

所以我现在认为，SE相当于标准款手表，Series相当于Pro版，Ultra就是Ultra。这样划分对我来说更清晰。就像iPhone 17是主流iPhone一样，SE就是主流智能手表。若需要更专业的功能，可以选择升级型号。

So now I think about it as, like, the SE is the watch, the series is the pro, and the Ultra is the Ultra. And that, like, that frames it better for me. And it's like, this is the the SE is the mainstream watch in the way that the iPhone 17 is the mainstream iPhone. And then if you want it to do more sort of niche y stuff, you scale up. And if you want it to do more nichey stuff, you scale up again.

但对于大多数只需要智能手表、没有特殊需求的人来说，SE完全够用了，不是吗？

But, like, most people who just, like, want a smartwatch and don't have further questions about how they're gonna use it, the SE is going to be enough. Right?

SE甚至绰绰有余，因为现阶段你真正会错过哪些健康功能呢？第三代SE已经加入了腕温传感器，你已获得绝大部分健康监测功能。缺失的主要是心电图检测。需要说明的是，在心电图方面，你只是缺少房颤的即时检测功能，因为不规则心率通知——我称之为被动房颤监测——现在第三代SE已经具备，你会收到'检测到不规则心律'的提醒。

The SE is gonna be more than enough because what are the health features really at this point in time that you are gonna be missing out on? Because the SE three, they added the risk temperature sensor. You are getting the vast majority of the health features on there. So what you're you're missing is the EKGs. And I wanna be clear, with the EKGs, you're only missing then spot checks for A fib detection because the irregular heart rhythm notifications, which I call the passive A fib like checking, so you'll get a notification and be like, we've detected some irregular heart rhythm notification.

所以如果担心房颤问题，通过第三代SE也能获得被动通知。真正缺失的是心电图即时检测和血氧功能——后者在过去18个月美国销售的所有手表上都没有，直到最近才恢复。老实说，虽然有些人确实很在意这些功能...

That's on the SE three now. So if you're worried about A fib, that you can get the passive notifications via the the SE three. So it's just the spot checking with the EKG, blood oxygen, which was missing on all the watches sold in The US for the last eighteen months until recently. So, really, I don't I I know there are some people who have reached out to me being like, no. I really care about that feature.

我相信这对特定人群很重要，但对绝大多数人来说，你可能根本不知道这些功能的存在，自然也不会想念。至于高血压通知功能，由于我只试用了一天，不便妄加评论。虽然它可能是个很有用的筛查工具，但如果你相对年轻，现阶段不担心高血压问题，很可能永远都用不上这个功能。那你会因此感到缺失吗？

And I believe that is true for a certain subsect of people, but for the vast majority of people, you didn't know it was there and you didn't miss it. And the hypertension notifications, I cannot responsibly talk about because I have only used it for one night or like one day. But, you know, I think that could be a very useful screening tool. But at the same time, if you are on the relatively younger side, if you're not really worried about hypertension at this point in your life, again, it's very possible that you will never ever interact with that feature. So are you gonna miss it?

我不这么认为。如果你年纪较大，可能需要注意这方面。如果有高血压家族史，这或许能带来些许安心，或者反而引发健康焦虑，取决于你是否想关注这些。当然，睡眠呼吸暂停通知、睡眠评分（这是新功能）等所有这些东西都会出现在SE3上。

I don't think so. If you're older, that might be a thing that you want to keep a track of. If you have a history family history of blood pressure, high blood pressure, that might be a thing that is a little bit of peace of mind or or maybe not peace of mind, a health anxiety that you wanna sign up for. Sure. But sleep apnea notifications, sleep score, which is the new thing, all of that stuff is coming to the SE three.

所以目前来看，我刚才提到的三个健康功能是你唯一会错过的。要知道SE并非每年更新，说不定到Series 12时他们会宣布：'伙计们搞定了！我们实现了无创血糖监测'——要是一年内真实现这功能，我当场吃鞋。

So really, the three things that I mentioned are the only health features as of this point in time that you're gonna be missing out on. And, you know, the SE doesn't get updated every single year. It could be that for the series 12, they're like, we did it, guys. We figured out noninvasive blood glucose monitoring. I will eat my shoe if that happens in a year.

但谁知道呢，他们可能突然宣布突破，然后你会懊恼'我买了SE3'。不过这不是眼下要考虑的问题。如果你现在就在纠结升级，我已经把利弊讲清楚了。

But, you know, they could say that that's the thing, and then you're like, ah, I've got an s e three. But that's not a right now problem. And if you're thinking about upgrading right now, I just laid it out for you. So yeah.

没错。而且我认为几乎没有证据表明明年会有什么颠覆性突破。每年都有人这么说，但现实是——如果你现在需要就现在买，完全没问题。

Right. And, yeah, I would say there is very little evidence to suggest that there is some gigantic groundbreaking thing coming next year. This is this is a thing everybody says every year, and it's like, just if you want the thing now, just buy the thing now. It's gonna be fine. Yeah.

真的不用担心。好了，结束前我想请你梳理下产品线，毕竟你用过所有型号。你大概清楚每款适合什么人群。从SE3开始吧，我觉得这是适合多数人的手表，应该是首选考虑对象。

It's gonna be fine. Alright. So before I let you go, I do just kinda wanna walk up the line of watches here because you've you've used them all. You have a, I think, a sense of, like, what is for who. And so if we start with the the s e three, which I think is, like, the watch for most people, it is it is the one you should start by looking at.