第317集：经前综合征与健身房礼仪

我觉得我们都应该更开放一点。比如我朋友罗伯最近，他在健身房遇到一个人，显然已经跟他一起练了一段时间了，约他出去喝咖啡，他当时就想，天哪。

I think we should all be a bit more like, my my friend Rob recently, he got someone in the gym in the gym who'd obviously been doing this with him for a while, asked him out for a coffee and he was like, oh my god.

她显然喜欢我，但没意识到我是同性恋。

She obviously fancies me and doesn't realize that I'm gay.

然后喝咖啡的时候，她说，天哪。

And then she, on the coffee, was like, oh my god.

这是我正在约会的那个男生什么的。

Here's this guy that I'm dating or whatever.

然后他就想，好吧。

And he was like, okay.

我并没有骗过她。

I didn't I didn't pull the wool over her eyes.

但关键在于，他当时想，她显然只是因为我们在同一时间去同一个健身房，所以才决定约我喝咖啡。

But just the fact that he was like, so she obviously just decided to like ask me for a coffee because we go to the same gym at the same time.

这多酷啊？

Like, how how cool is that?

多么大胆啊，我觉得我们都应该多这样做。

Like, how bold And is I think we should all do that more.

对。

Yeah.

我不知道该怎么做。

I don't know how to.

我也不知道。

Just Neither do I.

这确实让我感到，我只是感到开心。

It did it did make me feel I just I just felt happy.

我的意思是，回去的时候真的很开心，这在一年前我绝对不会这么说。

I mean, felt really happy going back, which I would never have said even a year ago.

但回去的时候我真的感到很开心。

But I felt really happy going back.

我感到开心是因为我知道，因为我经常在巴斯散步。

I felt happy in the knowledge that because I I often walk around I walk around Bath.

其实，这算是个小秘密。

I this is my actually, is a bit of a secret.

我总觉得，绝对没有人会认出我。

I have this thing where I'm absolutely convinced that no one recognizes me ever.

比如送孩子上学的时候，我觉得那些妈妈们都不认识我。

Like walking to school, I don't think any of the school moms recognize me.

上班的时候，我也觉得没人认出我。

Going to work, I didn't think anyone recognized me.

我就是觉得没人认识我，而且巴斯那么小。

I just don't think that anyone and Bath is tiny.

所以我觉得我长了一张特别不容易被认出来的脸。

So I think I have a very unrecognizable face.

不会吧。

No.

我能直接说这完全不对吗？

Can I just say immediately wrong?

和你一起在你住的地方走，你会每隔五分钟就被拦下来。

Walking through where you live with you is like, you're gonna be stopped every five minutes.

确实有点那样。

There is a bit like that.

不是因为什么奇怪的名气，只是因为邻居们。

Not not because of weird fame, but only because of neighbors.

但是……

But the

对。

Yeah.

但有些东西我不知道是什么。

But there is something I don't know what it is.

我不知道为什么我天生就相信别人不知道我是谁。

I don't know why I have this innate belief that people don't know who I am.

但我确实觉得这和内心其实很害羞有关。

But I I do think it's something to do with being like, actually at heart, a very shy person.

所以我走路的时候，总是低着头。

And so when I walk around, I'm a bit heads down.

而且我觉得，害羞的人都知道，这种害羞有时候会被当成无礼、冷淡或者疏远。

And I think the shyness can be, as shy people will know, occasionally taken as being, like, rude or cold or offish.

所以我觉得，这就是为什么你不会得到别人的挥手、问候和微笑，因为基本上你自己都没有先主动，你只是觉得，哦，没人认识我。

And so I think that means that's why you don't get the waves and the hellos and the smiles from people because basically you're not offering them in the first place because you're just like, oh, no one knows who I am.

我就打算低着头穿过学校操场，或者溜进健身房，或者……但今天就是那种日子，我突然想，不。

I'm just going to shuffle through the school playground or I'm going to shuffle into the gym or I'm going to and today was just one of those days where I just thought, no.

但这些人里确实有几个认识我。

But a couple of these people do know who I am.

我已经来这里两年了。

I have been coming for two years.

他们希望我能认出他们。

They want me do recognize me.

对。

Yeah.

他们

They

确实认得你。

definitely do.

好吧，那你跟我说说，你基本上——这就是我的近况。

Well, so tell me, you've been basically, that's my update.

我确实度过了一个非常非常愉快的周末。

I'm I did I did have a lovely lovely weekend.

我觉得我之前跟你说的有点消极。

I feel like I was also a bit negative to you about it.

我当时说，但其实那个周末特别棒。

I was like, but it it was amazing.

我先跟你讲讲这个，然后我特别特别想听听

I'll tell you about that and then I really really wanna hear about

好。

Yeah.

继续说吧。

Go on.

跟我说说你跑步的事，还有你最近都在忙什么。

Your Tell me running and and what you've been up to.

不过我和道格去了迷失村庄音乐节，真的超好玩。

But me and Doug went to Lost Village Festival, which was so much fun.

那这个音乐节在哪儿？

So where is this?

在林肯，不过去那儿的路程可不太好玩。

It's in Lincoln, which that wasn't so fun.

挺折腾的。

It was quite a trek.

而且，如果你不在英国的话，可能不太清楚最近发生了什么。

And then it also I mean, if you're not based in The UK, then maybe you don't know what just happened.

但这个周末我们大家都经历了一点集体创伤，之前天气一直特别好，特别舒服。

But we all sort of experienced a bit of a collective trauma this weekend where it's all been so gorgeous and lovely.

整个夏天我们经历了大约七次热浪，天气也是起起伏伏的。

And we've had about seven heat waves over the summer and it's been there have been some ups and downs.

当然，有些时候特别热，晚上都睡不好觉，但总的来说，天气真的很好。

Obviously, there have been some things where it's been really hot and we've been struggling to sleep and but in general, it has been really nice.

我觉得我基本上已经完全忘了穿外套、带伞或者出门带件毛衣是什么感觉了，因为这段时间就像住在法国南部一样，你只需要……

And I think I basically just, like, completely forgotten, like, what it's like to have to wear a coat or bring an umbrella or even bring a jumper anywhere because it's been a bit like living in living in the South Of France where you can just I

我看到关于袜子的消息了。

saw that about socks.

我当时就想，什么？

I'm like, what?

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

想想看。

Think about that.

对。

Yeah.

整个夏天都是勃肯鞋和T恤。

It's it's been it's been Birkenstocks and t shirts all summer.

确实。

It has.

我觉得我们谁都不用操心穿厚衣服或者别的什么。

And I don't think any of us have had to think at all about, like, wrapping up or anything.

然后突然这个周末，我本来要去一个音乐节的。

And then suddenly, this weekend, I was looking I was going to this festival.

我也一直在看大家整个夏天去的那些音乐节，心里想，天哪。

I've been looking as well at all the, like, festivals that people have been at all summer and been like, oh god.

对。

Yeah.

看起来太棒了。

It looks glorious.

真是太棒了。

It's just been so lovely.

能去露营而且不用担心下雨，真是太开心了。

Like, what a joy to be able to to camp and not have to worry about rain.

然后我看了天气预报，心里想，哦。

Then I saw the weather forecast and was like, oh.

然后天气越来越近，我想，也许我真的开始相信现在天气会这样了。

And it was getting closer and closer and I thought, oh, maybe I do maybe I am starting to actually believe that it might be like that now.

因为有一段时间我完全不相信。

Because for a while I was in full denial.

我当时想，不会吧。

I was like, no.

一直说天气要变，但就是不变。

Keep saying the weather's gonna break and it doesn't.

对。

Yeah.

然后我们就遇到了雷暴，对吧，从周四开始，周四那天简直糟透了。

And then we just had thunderstorms, didn't we, from like Thurs Thursday was hideous.

周五还行，但下午好像下了点雨。

Friday was alright, but then it rained a bit in the afternoon, I think.

周六呢，就是下了一整天的雨。

Saturday was like, just rained all day.

周日白天还不错，但到了晚上又来了场大雷暴。

And Sunday was nice until the evening when it also just went full thunderstorms again.

简直疯了。

And it was bonkers.

我们到了那个音乐节，等了大概两个小时，我想我们中午到的，结果直到三点才进到场地里开始搭帐篷什么的。

We arrived at this festival and we waited for two I think we got there about midday, and we didn't get into the festival site and start putting our tent up and stuff till three.

所以光是进场就花了三个小时，你知道的，查票、安检、排队这些。

So it was a three hour process of of getting through, you know, tickets and security and getting in and queuing and stuff.

有个女的在那儿喊，别挤过那片泥地。

And there was a woman going, don't push through the bog.

天哪。

Oh god.

太糟糕了。

It was awful.

我们推着一个那种手推车，简直就像是被沼泽吞掉的手推车的坟场。

We had like one of those trolley things that was just like a graveyard of the trolleys that had been lost to the bog.

不会吧。

No.

真的很糟糕。

It was bad.

糟糕透了。

It was so bad.

我们全都被雨淋得透透的。

And and we were all just being absolutely pissed on.

浑身湿透了，湿到我都开始得意自己那件漂亮的Lululemon外套，心想，哦，这外套肯定没问题。

Like so so so soggy to a point that I felt really smug about my lovely Lululemon coat that I was like, oh, this is gonna be Was

是那件透明的吗？

that the see through one?

不是。

No.

哦，不是。

Oh, no.

那件挺酷的。

That one was quite cool.

那件是Doug从亚马逊给我买的，那是最好的，那是我最防水的装备。

Doug bought me that from Amazon and that was the best that was the most protective protective thing thing that that I I had.

是的。

Had.

不是要贬低Lululemon，但事实证明，如果你穿着他们的外套在倾盆大雨里站超过一个小时，你会全身湿透，冷到骨头里。

Not Not to slag off Lululemon, but it turns out, if you stand outside in one of their coats for more than about an hour in the pissing rain, you will soak entirely through to the bone.

一点用都没有。

Nothing.

到最后就像穿着个枕套一样。

It was just like wearing a pillowcase by the end.

完全不起任何作用。

It was just doing absolutely nothing.

但我觉得我甚至不是在吐槽它，因为我觉得有很多人穿得更专业，比如那种真正的攀岩爱好者或者北面。

But I don't think I'm even slagging it off because I think there were a lot of people in much more, like, I don't know, hardcore, like, sort of proper crag hopper or North Face.

即使那样，他们也都不行了。

And even then, they were all like, they're they're they're done.

雨就是一直淋着。

It's Rain gets sat in rain.

对。

Yeah.

所以，是的，那太糟糕了。

So, yeah, that was awful.

然后我们到了，太阳就出来了，我们搭好帐篷，准备好，进了音乐节，天气特别好，我们喝了杯饮料，这个音乐节真的很棒。

And then we got in, and then the sun came out as we kind of arrived and put our tent up and got ready and went into the festival and it was so lovely and we got a drink and it's such a cool festival.

主要是电子舞曲，但也有一些迪斯科和浩室音乐。

It's kind of mainly like dance music, but kind of disco and house.

挺有意思的。

Like, it's quite fun.

而且大家都特别搞怪，特别有想象力。

And and everybody's very silly and whimsical.

那里特别注重打扮什么的，真的很棒。

Like, there's a big emphasis on kind of dressing up and and stuff there and it's great.

而且所有舞台都像布景一样。

And all the stages are sort of sets.

他们设计得特别巧妙。

They've designed them really cleverly.

所以真的特别酷。

So they it it's really cool.

对。

Yeah.

所以我们就在那儿逛了几个小时，随便走走，熟悉一下环境。

And so we just spent a few hours just wandering around and getting familiar with it.

那里有各种东西，比如一个电话亭，你拿起电话，另一端会有人跟你说话。

And it was there's all these kind of, you know, a telephone booth and you pick up the phone and there's someone talking to you on the other end.

还有一个投注站，里面有个女人完全入戏，你可以在那儿下注。

And, like, they've got a betting shop with a woman who's entirely in character and you can place bets on things.

还有个当铺，你可以拿奇怪的东西去换，他们会给你一个奇怪的东西回来。

And there's like a pawn shop where you can swap weird stuff and they'll give you a weird thing back.

一切都特别酷、特别有趣、特别古怪，你简直可以沉浸其中，我们当时特别喜欢。

It's all really, like, cool and whimsical and weird and you can cut So we were loving that.

但就在我们放松警惕，觉得已经躲过雨，没带外套的时候，对。

But then just as we kind of let our guards down and we didn't have the coats with us anymore because we thought we'd survived it Yeah.

就在我们往回走回帐篷的路上，突然又开始下大雨了。

It just suddenly started pelting again just as we were going back to the tent.

然后闪电和雷声就来了。

And then lightning and thunder happened.

然后闪电击中了我们的营地，所有的彩灯都灭了。

And lightning struck our campsite and all the festoon lights went out.

不会吧。

No.

那真是太吓人了。

So that was really terrifying.

对，确实。

And Yeah.

人们都在跑来跑去，尖叫着。

People were, like, running and screaming.

感觉就像，天哪。

And it was a bit like, oh my gosh.

最后，我们只好等着雨停。

And in the end, we kind of waited it out.

我觉得主办方也意识到他们得认真对待这件事，不能只是说，哦，就是点天气而已。

And I think the festival, obviously also realized that they kind of need to take it a bit more seriously and not just be like, oh, well, just a bit of weather.

所以他们后来采取了措施，结果周日又遇到雷雨时，他们真的暂停了音乐节。

So then they put a thing in place and it meant that on Sunday when we had another thunderstorm, they actually they paused festival.

我们当时正在看DJ表演，然后突然就宣布因为雷击暂停音乐节。

Like, we were in the middle of watching a DJ set, and then it was like, the festival is paused due due to lightning strikes.

我们当时就懵了，心想：完了。

We were like Shit.

天哪。

Oh my god.

另一个问题是，我觉得他们没想好该怎么办，或者该告诉人们什么，因为那是在树林里。

The other issue with that was I don't think they'd really worked out what to do or what to tell people, because it's in the woods.

所以显然，大家都知道不应该离树太近。

So obviously, everybody knows you shouldn't really be near too near trees.

对。

Yeah.

他们也没说，比如，请回到帐篷，或者请到开阔地带之类的。

They didn't say, like, so please go to back to your tent, or please go to an open area, or something.

所以大家又都开始跑啊叫啊的。

So everybody just again was, like, running and screaming.

天哪。

Oh god.

天哪。

Oh god.

还挺好玩的。

It was great fun.

而且真的有一些特别开心、特别傻乎乎的可爱时刻，比如他们因为下雨取消了音乐节，其实也就停了大概十分钟。

And there were some real moments of, like, absolute joy and, like, lovely silliness, like, that after they canceled the festival because of the rain, it was only for about ten minutes.

我们都去了，然后有个放迪斯科的DJ放了《It's Raining Men》，大家就在雨里跳舞跟着唱。

We all went and and and one of the, like, disco DJs that was playing just played It's Raining Men, and then everyone was dancing in the rain and singing along.

所以确实有一些特别美好的瞬间，但整体还是挺折腾的。

And so there were some really lovely, like, moments, but it was quite brutal.

雨就一直下个不停。

It just rained the whole time.

所有东西都湿透了。

Everything was soaked.

对。

Yeah.

我觉得我和道格算是经验丰富的露营者了，我们当时把所有东西都用垃圾袋包好了。

I feel like me and Doug are quite seasoned campers, and we'd, like, bin bagged everything.

我们的帐篷特别好。

We've got a really good tent.

我们穿了合适的、结实的鞋子。

We had, like, proper sensible shoes.

我们不是那种对天气没概念或者傻乎乎的人。

We're not, you know, not sort of silly or naive to the weather.

但即使是我那个大的——我有一个为航海假期买的大防水背包。

But even my big I've got, like, a big waterproof sort of rucksack that I bought for a sailing holiday.

它本来就是设计来能泡在海里的。

So it's literally meant to withstand being in the sea.

是的。

Yeah.

而且我的睡衣隔着防水袋都湿透了。

And and it my pyjamas were, like, soaked through through the waterproof bag.

哦。

Oh.

所以真的很难一直保持积极的心态。

So it was just it was really hard to, like, maintain a level of positivity all the time.

但我们坚持到了最后

But we did our last

你们是提前结束了还是……

Did you cut it short or did you

没有。

No.

我真的很为我们自己感到骄傲。

I was really proud of ourselves.

我们稍微提前结束了一点，就是在最后那部分，最后一晚压轴的是Ezra Collective，大家都在跳舞，他们吹着铜管乐器，一直说，把这份快乐带回家吧。

We cut it a little bit short in the during the, like, final like, it was Ezra Collective were headlining right at the end on the last night, and everyone was dancing and they were all playing their brass and and they kept being like, take this joy home with you.

然后我转向Doug说，我已经没有更多的快乐了。

And I did turn to Doug and I went, I haven't got any more joy.

然后我那一刻突然觉得，我要哭了，我不能就这么站在人群里哭。

And then I had this sort of moment where I just was like, I'm gonna cry and I can't just stand in the crowd and cry.

我就想，我可能需要稍微收一下，回帐篷，今晚早点休息，明天早上起来收拾东西走人。

I was like, I think I just need to slightly call it and go back to the tent and have a have an earlier night tonight and get up and pack up and go in the morning.

所以我们提前了大约一个小时结束，但我们并没有离开音乐节什么的。

So we cut it short by about an hour, but we didn't leave the festival or anything.

我真的很为我们感到骄傲，因为很多

And I was really really proud of us because quite a lot of

人都这样做了。

people did.

是的。

Yeah.

真不错。

Good for you.

真不错。

Good for you.

对。

Yeah.

那真的是……

It was it was

因为天哪，我看到雷丁和利兹音乐节结束后的那些照片。

because my god, was looking at at at pictures from sort of the aftermath of Reading and Leeds.

天哪。

Oh my gosh.

那真的是疯狂，太疯狂了。

It was honestly bon it was bonkers.

我也觉得，整个过程我都在想，这感觉挺天真的，因为我一直看到消息说，今年夏天太干了，所以不放烟花了。

I do think as well, the whole time I was like, this does feel quite naive because I kept seeing stuff that was like, oh, it's been such a dry summer that we're not having fireworks.

今年夏天这么干，我们根本不需要，你知道的，带什么防水鞋，也不用担心泥巴，因为根本不会下雨。我觉得我们傻乎乎地让自己产生了一种虚假的安全感。

It's been such a dry summer that we we don't need to you don't need to, you know, bring sensible shoes, but you don't need to worry about mud because it's not gonna I feel like we stupidly sort of lulled ourselves into a false false sense of security.

泥巴都漫过鞋面了。

The mud was like up It was like going over the top of your shoes.

哦。

Oh.

真是……

It was

天哪。

Oh, god.

太糟糕了。

Awful.

泥沼完全把我们吞没了。

The bog consumed us completely.

真恶心。

Nasty.

哦。

Oh.

但真的很棒。

But it was great.

哦。

Oh.

我们遇到了一些非常可爱的人。

We met some really lovely people.

我和道格的主要任务就是，因为我们只有两个人去。

That was mine and Doug's main mission was because we were going just the two of us.

我们当时想，能遇到一些人就好了，对。

We were like, oh, it'd be so nice to meet some people and like Yeah.

然后就是，你知道，聊些傻乎乎的有趣话题。

And and just, you know, have some silly fun chats.

而且我们确实做到了。

And we did.

我们和一群可爱的人交了朋友，第一天晚上我就去找他们了，因为你知道，在音乐节上人们会举着那种大图腾、标语牌、旗帜之类的东西。

We we made some friends with this lovely gang who I went up to them on the first night because, you know, people have those big sort of totems and signs and stuff at festivals and like flags and things.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

他们举的牌子上就写着凯蒂·普莱斯，还配了她的照片，我特别喜欢。

They just had one that just said Katie Price with a picture of Katie Price, and I loved it.

你是普莱斯的粉丝，

You are a fan of Pricey,

没错，我超爱普莱斯。

aren't And I love the Pricey.

所以我就去找他们聊天了，后来我和道格还买了对讲机，以防走散。

So I went up to them and we chatted to them, and then we ended up Doug and I bought walkie talkies in case we lost each other.

好主意。

Good plan.

对。

Yeah.

所以我们给了他们一个对讲机，然后整个周末我们都用对讲机联系，真是太贴心了。

And so we gave them one of them, and then we had each other on the walkie talkies for the rest of the weekend, which was so sweet.

所以真的有一些非常有趣、傻傻的快乐时刻。

So there were some really funny, silly moments of, like, of joy.

而且，我得说，作为跑步者，我们都喜欢美食。

And actually, I will say for I know as as runners, we all love a bit of food.

食物真的很好吃，我吃了

The food was so good, and I ate

是吗？

Was it?

好多碳水化合物。

So many carbs.

哦，太棒了。

Oh, amazing.

吃了芝士烤三明治。

Had cheese toasties.

还吃了冰淇淋。

I had ice creams.

吃了薯条。

I had chips.

各种都吃了，因为那几天我每天走四到五万步。

I had all sorts because I did 40 to 50,000 steps every day for the whole place.

我得说，其实我一点也不觉得愧疚，对。

I am gonna say that I don't actually feel too bad about Yeah.

因为那段时间没跑步，

Taking that time off running because

那运动量可真大。

That's a lot of exercise.

确实挺多的。

It was quite a lot.

对。

Yeah.

而且还有跳舞。

And then the dancing on top.

对吧？

Right?

而且还有跳舞。

And then the dancing on top.

而且我还挺得意的，因为我觉得作为一个懂点超马知识的人——虽然我自己没跑过，但我现在正跟一位超马跑者聊天，而且我身边到处都是超马跑者。

And I also, I felt quite smug because I felt like as somebody who has the knowledge of a of a, you know, ultra I've I've never done one, but I'm talking to one right now, to an ultra runner, and I'm surrounded by ultra runners all the time.

我带了能量棒、香蕉面包，还有塞了花生酱的枣子。

I brought Trek bars, banana bread, and dates that I just shoved some peanut butter into.

哦，那挺好的。

Oh, I was good

整个周末都在吃这些，我觉得真的让我撑下来了。

popping them the whole weekend, and I think it really was keeping me going.

对。

Yeah.

哦，我还带了电解质和其他各种东西，要不是做这份工作，我根本不会知道这些。

Oh And I also got electrolytes and all sorts of things that I wouldn't know anything about if I hadn't if I didn't do this job.

所以嘛。

So

哦，要是你没准备那些，你早就瘫在路边像条鱼一样扑腾了，对吧？

Oh, and if you hadn't done that, you would have been on the side of the road flapping around like a fish, wouldn't you?

我觉得也是。

Think so.

我觉得我真是救了自己一命。

I think I really did save myself.

所以其实我感觉还不错。

So I'm actually I'm not feeling too bad.

但我觉得我状态还不错，部分原因也是因为我没太放纵，因为，对。

But I'm also I think I'm also partly not feeling too bad was because I didn't go too bonkers because Yeah.

我整个过程中其实一直记着，这周我得跑马拉松，还得正常生活。

I did kind of have at the back of my mind the whole time that I have to run a marathon and be a human being this week.

所以，对。

So Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

所以这就是我的情况。

So that was me.

结果就是，除了昨天跑了六公里找回感觉之外，我基本没跑步。

And as a result, I've done no running apart from a little six k yesterday to get myself back in the swing.

我待会儿还要去做间歇训练。

And I'm about to go and do an interval session after this.

不过跟我说说，你最近怎么样？

But tell me what has been going on with you?

嗯，我们之前聊过假期的事。

Well, we've I mean, we covered the holiday stuff.

我跟你说，在我们没聊天的这段时间里，发生了一件事。上次我们聊天的时候我还在德文郡，当时我对跑步还挺满意的。

I mean, I tell you what has happened in the interim in the kind of the week that we've not spoken is that so I was I was still in Devon last time we spoke, and I was kind of I was happy with running.

感觉挺好的。

It was fine.

还挺不错的。

And it was quite nice.

我最近在Instagram上看到一些东西，等等，是Instagram吗？

I did see something on Instagram recently where or was it Instagram?

可能其实是印刷品。

It might have actually been it might have actually been printed matter.

那上面说的正好印证了我的想法，就是说如果你在不熟悉的地形和海拔上跑步，就别太纠结训练计划里那些复杂的部分。

Something that was just saying that just confirmed what I believe, which is if you're if you're within kind of unfamiliar terrain and elevation, then don't worry about the complicated bits of your training plan.

比如，跑够距离就行。

Like, do the distance.

别担心那些速度训练什么的。

Don't worry about doing the speedy bits and whatever.

好的。

Okay.

所以看到一位比我更有经验和成就的人这么说，我真的很高兴。

So I was really pleased to read that from someone that has much more kind of experience and worth than I do.

这让我感觉好多了，因为回来的时候我真的很担心。

So that made me feel a bit better because I was really worried actually coming back.

所以我在想，你知道，作为一个训练过超马但训练得不太好的人。

So I was thinking about I mean, and this is, you know, speaking as someone that's trained for an ultra but not particularly well.

但是，你知道，我做的那些长跑，因为海拔的原因，有很多走路和徒步的部分。

But, you know, a couple of like, the long runs that I did there, there were there was quite a bit of of walking and hiking involved because of the elevation.

我意识到我的思绪回到了几年前，想着，如果我在里面走路，那我其实没有真正完成它，对吧？

And I realized that my head was going back to kind of couple of years ago thinking, well, I haven't actually done it then, have I, if I did walking in it?

这真是疯了。

Which is bonkers.

不是。

No.

我们训练的目标不一样。

That's not we're training for a different thing.

如果我是为超马训练，就不会这么想了。

If I was training for an ultra, then I wouldn't think that.

对。

No.

但因为我们是在为公路马拉松训练，我的目标是全程跑完，所以突然之间，我又回到了原点，重新审视自己的训练和自己。

But because we're training for a road marathon where my intention is to run the whole thing, that that's suddenly, I was back to square one again with the kind of, you know, how I viewed my training and myself.

但是，缺乏健身房训练也没帮助，因为我觉得自己不够强壮。

But and and, I mean, the lack of gym didn't help because I didn't feel I didn't feel strong.

而且很多次跑步因为海拔和地形的原因，感觉特别特别艰难。

And lots of those runs felt really, really hard because of elevation, because of terrain, you know, whatever.

然后等到我跟你说话的时候，也就是上周初，我感觉非常沮丧。

And then by about the time that I spoke to you, which is at the beginning of last week, I felt absolutely miserable.

跑步进行得不太顺利。

The running wasn't going very well.

而且中间也没有去健身房，真的没什么能让我提提神。

I didn't have anything in between, gym wise, really, to kind of perk me up.

有一天，好像是周二，我心情特别低落。

And there was a day, I think it was like Tuesday, I just felt so low.

我想可能是因为假期快结束了。

And I guess it's because I could see the end of the holiday.

对。

Yeah.

感觉时间过得太快了，而且你知道，回到一个以前去过的地方，有好有坏。

It felt like it had gone too quickly and there was, you know, there's a blessing and curse about going back to a place that we've been to before.

因为熟悉，所以你会觉得可以放松。

There's the familiarity of it so you feel like you can relax.

但就像我们上次在播客里聊的，我真的不太知道怎么放松。

But as per our last conversation on the pod, I don't really know how to relax.

对。

Yeah.

就像，我每天都在催大家出门。

Like, so I was zhuzhing people out the door every day.

快点，咱们去做点什么吧。

Come on, let's do something.

去做点什么吧。

Let's do something.

去做点什么吧。

Let's do something.

我很高兴我们这么做了，因为回头看，假期里充满了各种不同的经历和事情。

And I'm really pleased we did because looking back on it, the holiday was filled with different kind of experiences and things.

而且每个人都很开心，大家都享受我们所做的事情。

I'm I'm and and everyone was happy, and everyone enjoyed what we did.

但是熟悉感也带来一种感觉，你知道，它不像一个全新的假期那样令人兴奋。

But but the familiarity also brings a kind of a sense of, you know, there's it's not as exciting as a brand new holiday.

所以我觉得那真的很难熬。

And so I found that really hard.

然后我的月经在周三或周四来了。

And then my period came on Wednesday or Thursday.

某种程度上，那反而让我松了口气，因为回想起来，我当时就想，唉。

And in a way, that was a relief because I looked back and I was like, ugh.

还有一次我们走路进城，我跟戴夫说，哦，我今天早上来月经了。

And there was a bit we were walking into town and I said to Dave, oh, I've got my period this morning.

他就说，哦，好的。

And he was like, oh, okay.

然后我说，我说，这真的很随意。

And I said and I said, this is very throwaway.

也许我不该说完整句话，但我想，这就能解释为什么我周一那么低落。

Maybe I should I won't say the full sentence, but I was like, this is this explains why I felt so low on Monday.

然后他就问，哦，每次都这样吗？

And and he was like, oh, does that happen every time?

然后我想，是的，确实是这样。

And then I thought, well, yeah, it does.

确实是这样。

It does.

但我也不知道。

But I I don't know.

我对此感觉很奇怪，因为我突然开始回想，不知道，我开始回顾过去，这从来不是好事，但回顾一下，我今年没来几次月经。

I I felt really weird about it because I suddenly I started kind of mapping, I don't know, I I started looking back in hindsight, which is never a good thing, but looking back at I haven't had that many periods this year.

所以我想这大概是我第四次，而我本该有多少次呢？

So I think that's probably my fourth out of how many should I have had?

七次？

Seven?

八次？

Eight?

对。

Yeah.

所以我没预料到。

So I wasn't expecting it.

我当时想，它来得有点突然。

I was like, it came kind of unexpectedly.

但经前综合征的症状绝对比以前严重多了，在我生育能力更强的那段时间里从来没这么严重过。

But it's definitely the sort of PMT stuff is definitely definitely worse than it's ever been throughout my kind of much more fertile life.

而且情绪也明显低落了很多。

And the kind of the mood is so significantly decreased.

不幸的是，因为月经不规律，我无法判断。

And unfortunately, because the period's unpredictable, I can't tell.

我的情绪是不是因为……对。

If my mood is to yeah.

我不能对自己说，哦，我情绪低落是因为月经快来了。

I can't think to myself, oh, my mood is low because my period is due.

我只是觉得这就是我的生活。

I just think that's my life.

你很难从中抽离出来，对吧？很难有那种全局视角，然后想，哦，我只是短暂地低落一下。

You can't it's very difficult to see yourself out of it, isn't it, to have that top down view and think, oh, I'm just low for a for a short period of time.

这可能是激素引起的。

It's probably hormonal.

当你身处其中的时候，你就是陷在里面，你看不到那个……那个……

When you're in it, you're in it and you can't see the the The

对，你看不到。

wooden you can't

是的。

see Yeah.

你看不到。我其实……我现在特别理解你。

You can't see I I actually am I'm so with you at the moment.

我觉得自从我换了节育环之后，我一直都很挣扎。

I think ever since I had my coil replaced, I've been really struggling.

而且我好像又恢复来月经了，但是同样，它们真的很不规律。

And I've sort of had periods back, but again, they're like really unpredictable.

所以，比如我装上之后大概一个月来了一次。

So like, I had one maybe a month, maybe after I first had it fitted.

然后一个月之后，也就是几周前，我感觉特别低落。

And then a month later, so like, this was a couple of weeks ago, I felt really low.

我当时就想，哎，又来了。

And I was like, oh, here we go.

这是因为我现在又开始来月经了。

This is because I'm getting periods again now.

但后来一直没来，一直没来，那感觉太难受了。

And then it never happened and it never happened and it was awful.

就是那种感觉，好像我需要释放一下，但就是没来。

It was like that feeling where it was like, oh, I felt like I needed this release but it just never happened.

对。

Yeah.

然后我们去音乐节的时候它来了，我当时就想，哦，好吧。

And then it happened when we were at the festival and I was like, oh, okay.

但我还是，是的。

But I still yeah.

我感觉完全一样。

I I feel exactly the same.

我还是不知道它们什么时候来。

I still don't know I don't know when they're coming.

它们不太规律。

I they don't quite make sense.

它们肯定不是相隔二十八天。

They're not quite, like they're definitely not twenty eight days apart.

而且很难判断任何情绪低落的时期。

And then it's hard to tell any period of lowness.

我会想，这是我自己吗？

I'm like, is this me?

还是这是

Or is this

对。

Yes.

没错。

Exactly.

是我自己的问题吗？

Is it me?

还是因为激素的原因？

Or is because of hormones?

是的。

Yeah.

然后有时候又确实是这样。

And then sometimes it does.

所以就觉得，好吧。

And so it's like, okay.

但有时候又不是，你就会想，哦，那显然就是我自己情绪的问题了。

And then other times it doesn't and it go and you think, oh, well then it obviously is just me.

对。

And Yeah.

这真的很难让人理解，对吧？

It's really really hard to get your head around, isn't it?

当你

When you

不能——哦，我太讨厌这样了。

can't Oh, I hate it do so much.

我太讨厌这样了。

I hate it so much.

对。

Yeah.

而且我——不，你不能。

And I I no, you can't.

你绝对不能。

You absolutely can't.

而且我觉得，你知道，这跟围绝经期有关，还有它带来的那些“惊喜”，我特别讨厌那种感觉，就是“这只是我自己的问题，还是另有原因？”

And I and I feel like it's it's, you know, it's that's come along with perimenopause and and everything, every delightful little addition that that gives me that that I I hate that feeling of, is this just me or is it something else?

我觉得我现在可以回顾过去几年，然后想，你知道吗？

And I think I think I can now look back over the last couple of years and think, do you know what?

我变了。

I am different.

我跟以前不一样了。

I am different to how I used to be.

我绝对变了。

I'm definitely different.

比如情绪上，真的不一样了。

Like like mood wise, different.

我觉得，我知道这又会扯到我们之前聊过的神经多样性的话题，但我觉得，我不是在给自己贴标签。

Like, I feel like and I know this is gonna hark back to conversations that we've had about neurodiversity, but I feel like, and and I'm not I'm not outing myself.

我还没被诊断过。

I haven't been diagnosed.

我绝对不是，你知道的。

I'm definitely not, you know.

不过昨天，因为家里出了几个小状况，我就想，戴夫，你不是自闭症。

Although although yesterday, because of a couple of home small disasters, I was like, Dave, you're not autistic.

你是多动症。

You're ADHD.

我是自闭症。

I'm autistic.

总之，这就是我们家里认定的情况。

Anyway, so that's the way we've decided we are in our family.

但我觉得，我过去一辈子直到大约两年前一直在做的那些事，现在都不做了。

But I feel like that whatever I have been doing for all of my life up until about two years ago, I've stopped doing.

对。

Yeah.

我觉得那种伪装已经彻底消失了。

Like, I feel like that masking thing has just gone.

对。

Yeah.

而且我意识到，如果没有那种保护性的东西——比如我该怎么表现、我该做什么——生活会变得很难管理。

And just realizing how difficult life is to manage without a protective, oh, this is how I need to behave and this is what I need to do.

我的情绪也完全一样，就是在一段时间内感觉完全失控。

And my mood has gone in in the exact same way where I'm just I feel it feels uncontrollable around period of time.

所以，是的。

So yeah.

所以那算是……

So that was kind of

那值得跟家庭医生聊聊吗？

Is it worth talking to a GP about?

也许吧。

Maybe.

对。

Yeah.

你知道他们只会给我开抗抑郁药就把我打发走，对吧？

You know they're just gonna send me away with antidepressants, don't you?

就像，是的。

It's like Yeah.

不知道。

Don't know.

我不确定这一定是解决办法。

I don't know whether this is necessarily the answers.

我一个朋友去看全科医生，是因为，是不是经前烦躁障碍？

One of my friends went to the GP for, like is it PMDD?

哦，对。

Oh, yeah.

我不知道他们那个缩写是什么？

I don't know what they the acronym?

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

然后医生给她开了抗抑郁药，让她只在黄体期那段时间吃。

And and they gave her antidepressants to take just during the the luteal period.

哦，真的吗？

Oh, really?

但后来我总觉得，说实话，那药对她没什么用。

But then I was always a little it it didn't I have to admit, it didn't really work for her.

她觉得开始吃和停药的过程更难受，对。

She found coming on and off them, like, worse Yeah.

比原来还糟。

Than the than it was.

所以……

So

对。

Yeah.

我有点好奇

I'm just kinda wonder

这是否可以成为一次对话，但是

whether it could be a conversation, but

也许吧。

Maybe.

这可以成为一次对话。

It can be a conversation.

我的意思是，我有点不愿意，因为我在二十多岁的时候吃过抗抑郁药，我想。

I mean, I'm kind of loathed to there's like, I've been on antidepressants before when I was in my twenties, I think.

二十多岁的时候，不。

Twenties and no.

只是二十多岁。

Just twenties.

也许三十多岁。

Maybe thirties.

记不清了。

Can't remember.

试过两三次，效果各有不同。

Two or three times and varying degrees of success.

第一次真的挺管用的。

And I think the first time it really worked.

后来几次我太早停药了。

And then I grabbed for them too early the other times.

然后就没有什么明显变化了。

And then there was a very, you know, no marked difference.

从那以后，我觉得各种……其实这个话题聊起来会挺有意思的。

And I And I think since then, with kind of all sorts of that would be an interesting conversation to have actually, perhaps.

不如请朱莉娅来聊聊抗抑郁药吧，因为我觉得……我现在要再吃的话会非常担心，毕竟后来的一些研究什么的。

Let's get Julia on to talk about antidepressants because I think there's a I would be very, very worried about taking them again because kind of research and stuff that's happened since.

我知道对很多人来说这是非常重要的药物，但这事儿挺复杂的。

Not I know that they are like a crucial medication for many many people, but there are but there are it's nuanced.

市面上有那么多药，而且可能会有各种各样的副作用之类的。

There are so many available and there can be so many different sorts of side effects and things like that.

而且除非你有一个非常好的全科医生，我觉得，对。

And unless you also have a very good GP, I think Yeah.

可能还需要配合一些很好的谈话疗法。

And potentially some great talking therapy alongside it.

哦，我不知道。

Oh, I don't know.

我不知道。

I don't know.

我只是觉得，我的全科医生诊所，最近几次去，感觉资源被压得很紧。

And I just it just feels like my GP practices it feels like the last few times I've been there, it feels like it's been stretched so thin.

对。

Yeah.

我不知道我能从中得到什么。

I don't I don't know what I'd get from it.

不过，先抛开这些不谈，我有个好消息要告诉你，就是我在度假的时候接到了医院的电话，说我已经约上了风湿科的号。

That said, pushing all of that aside for one moment, I have got some good medical news, which is that I had a phone call, while I was on holiday, from our hospital to say that I've got an appointment at rheumatology.

他们那边有人取消了预约。

They they had a cancellation.

这是和雷诺氏病有关的吗？

Is that to do with Raynaud's?

是的。

Yes.

天哪。

Oh my gosh.

所以，那个让我有点生气的全科医生，因为我觉得自己被敷衍了，其实我已经被排上了等候名单，而且明天早上我就要去看了。

So that GP that I got a bit annoyed with because I thought I I felt like I was being dismissed, I have been put on a waiting list, and I have it tomorrow morning, that I'm going along to.

但今天早上我还在跟戴夫担心，说我不知道该跟他们说什么，因为现在天气不冷。

But then I I was worrying to Dave this morning, I think, going, I don't know what I'm going to say to them because it's not cold.

所以这……

So it's

没关系。

That's okay.

我觉得你知道天气变冷时会发生什么。

I think you you you know what it's what happens when it does get cold.

跟我说说，你平时的症状是什么样的。

Like, talk me through it, your normal symptoms.

你的手指会变白。

You get white, white fingers.

对。

Yeah.

我可以讲讲雷诺氏综合征的典型症状。

I can talk about the normal Raynaud's symptoms.

我能说的是，过去两年里，情况越来越严重，明显恶化了。

What I can say is that it has got progressively and significantly worse over the past two years.

大概两到三年吧。

So two to three years.

我觉得就是最近两年，让我明显感觉到严重恶化的是，我大概十月份就穿上睡袜，然后一直不脱。

I'd say the last two years, what makes it very obvious to me that it's got significantly worse is that I put bed socks on in about October and don't take them off.

直到热浪来的前一周，我才不穿睡袜。

And it was the week before the heat wave that I stopped wearing bed socks.

所以五月的时候我还在穿睡袜。

So it was still May where I was wearing bed socks.

所以脚肯定受影响，而且和手的情况不一样。

So feet are definitely affected and differently from hands.

还有手指发凉之类的。

But so chill blades and stuff.

但我觉得我去谈这个的原因不只是雷诺氏，而是因为一只手比另一只手严重得多。

But I think the thing the reason why I went to talk about it was not just the Raynaud's, but because it was significantly worse in one hand than the other.

我一直在网上查，还去问了ChatGPT。

And I kept on looking online and I did go to chat GPT.

我就想，这到底是怎么回事？

And I was like, what's going on here?

他们建议我去量一下两边的血压，看看有没有差异。

And they were they it was suggested to me that I should get my blood pressure taken in both arms to see if there was a difference.

我问的时候，她没发现有什么不同。

She couldn't find a difference when I asked that.

不过确实，两只手的情况不一样。

But yeah, there was kind of so, yeah, it's both hands being different.

然后我的左手开始出现肿块。

And then I started getting lumps in my left hand.

她就打发我说，她觉得那可能是冻疮。

So she dismissed me as saying, I think that might be chilblains.

我就说，那不是冻疮。

And I was like, it's not chilblains.

我知道冻疮是什么样子的。

I know what chilblains are.

它们不痒，但我的手实际上肿得很厉害。

They're not itchy, but my hands actually, they got very very swollen.

然后我的指关节之间就长了这些肿块。

And then I developed these lumps between the knuckles.

大概有四个肿块。

There are about four lumps

好的。

Okay.

我记得。

I remember.

现在唯一剩下的就是，它们现在已经好了。

And now the only thing that remains they're fine now.

我明白你的意思。

I see what you mean.

我想，如果没有症状给他们看的话。

I guess if without it without you having the symptoms to show them.

对吧？

Right?

给他们看。

To show them.

哦，对。

Oh, yeah.

给他们看。

To show them.

对。

Yeah.

我现在有的症状，也是让我觉得值得去看医生的原因，就是我的手指根部，就是手指底部那个关节，会僵硬。

What I do have and what makes me think it's worth it is I do have stiffness in my knuckles at the bottom the base of my fingers.

所以我觉得这可能是某种关节炎之类的。

So I think that's it's some kind of arthritis y thing now.

而且我一直被告知，很多人都患有雷诺氏症，这主要是我们女性需要经常应对的问题。

And that's so and I was always told that I should like, everyone, so many people have got Raynaud's, and it's it's just a thing that we, mostly as women have to cope with quite a lot.

嗯。

Mhmm.

而且更年期前期可能会让情况变得更糟。

And perimenopause can make it worse.

但如果存在潜在问题，关键是要找出那个根本原因。

But if there's an underlying condition, it's just trying to figure out that underlying thing.

而且我觉得这似乎不太有遗传性。

And I think also because it doesn't seem to be massively genetic.

比如我妈妈手也冷，但没到这种程度。

Like, my mom has got cold hands, but not to this degree.

对。

Yeah.

所以是的。

So yeah.

我只是想确认一下，我觉得这可能跟我以前弹钢琴前总是掰手指有关。

It's just making sure that I I think it's all the times I used to crack my knuckles before playing the piano.

你觉得呢？对。

Do you reckon Yeah.

他们确实这么说。

They do say that.

记得他们以前总说，掰手指会得关节炎吗？

Remember they always used to say that that that you would get arthritis if you cracked your knuckles?

我不知道。

I don't know.

但你吃了很多橄榄油和健康脂肪。

But then you have a lot of olive oil and healthy fats.

是的。

I do.

是的。

I do.

所以你会觉得我应该算是有优势的。

So you'd think that that I would have counted

吃我的种子，然后我，是的。

eat my seeds and I yeah.