用"Wankernomics"学说指引2026年北极星方向

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ABC Listen, podcasts, radio, news, music, and more.

好的。

Okay.

你回顾了这一年，既没有得到心仪的晋升，也没有获得加薪。

You've looked back on the year, and you didn't quite get the promotion you wanted or the pay rise.

我们寻遍全球，认为或许掌握了提升你未来职场生涯的秘诀配方。

We've searched the globe, and we think we might have the secret sauce to up level your work life future state.

你好。

Hello.

我是ABC国家广播电台《职场人生》的Lisa Leong，致力于改善你的职场生活。

I'm Lisa Leong with ABC Radio National's This Working Life helping to make your work life better.

有一种职场世界的秘密语言，被搞笑职场喜剧二人组'Wankonomics'所揭示。

There's a secret language to the world of work uncovered by the hilarious workplace comedy duo known as Wankonomics.

如果你遵循他们的建议，晋升速度将比向关键利益相关者层层汇报的深度分析还要快。

If you follow their advice, you'll get promoted faster than a cascade to key stakeholders of a deep dive.

本期节目我们将围绕职场流行语展开一些趣味讨论。

We're having a bit of fun this episode with workplace buzzwords.

你可能已经看过甚至读过他们的书。

You may have seen or perhaps even read their book.

书名为《扯淡经济学》，深入剖析职场中的虚伪话术，或者你可能看过他们的现场演出。现在请允许我使用他们的领英头衔来介绍：首席颠覆官兼战略优化布道师詹姆斯·施莱费尔。

It's called Wankonomics, a deep dive into workplace bullshittery, or you may have caught one of their live shows With me, and I'm gonna use their LinkedIn titles here, we have James Schleffel, chief disruptor and strategy optimization evangelist.

你好，詹姆斯。

Hello, James.

你好。

Hi.

很高兴来到这里。

Lovely to be here.

感谢这次沟通机会。

Thanks for touching base.

查尔斯·弗斯是客户关系领域的绝地武士。

Charles Firth is a customer engagement Jedi.

我吗？

Am I?

那太好了。

That's great.

很高兴能再次与你沟通交流。

Well, lovely to circle back and touch base with you too.

詹姆斯，你为什么总拿工作开玩笑？

James, why are you picking on work?

我一直把《扯淡经济学》描述成某种治疗疗程，对吧，针对所有上过班的人。

I've always described Wankonomics as a bit of a a a of a therapy session, right, for anyone who has ever had a job.

问题是，在这个时代，无论你做什么工作，你肯定都接触过'回头再聊'、'保持联系'、'推进工作'、'硬性截止'、'协同解决方案'这类词汇。

And the thing is, in this day and age, like, doesn't matter what you do, you've probably come into contact with words like circle back and touching base and moving forward and hard stop and synergistic solutions, that type of thing.

你肯定也参加过毫无意义的会议。

You've probably also sat in a pointless meeting.

你可能还参加过那种需要编造空洞价值观的工作会议。

You've maybe sat in a work session where you've had to come up with with meaningless values.

你可能用过领英。

You've probably used LinkedIn.

所以我们都在同一条船上。

And so we're all in this together.

对吧？

Right?

我们懂你。

Like, we see you.

我们理解你。

We hear you.

让我们直面这个问题。

Let's just lean into this.

让我们深入探讨一下，或许能提出一些最佳实践方案，看看如何共同解决这个问题。

Let's do a bit of a deep dive and, you know, maybe come up with some best practice solutions of how we can how we can work through this together.

查尔斯，你有什么资质？

Charles, what are your qualifications?

呃，我...我参加过一场会议。

Well, I I went to a meeting once.

那是在...我想大概是2016或2017年。

It was back in I think it was, like, 2016 or 2017.

当时我在一家商业广播电台工作，有个高级经理从墨尔本过来，他每月都会从墨尔本过来一次。

I was working at a commercial radio station, and this guy, like a senior manager, yeah, came up from Melbourne, and he used to come up from Melbourne, like, once a month.

每次他一来，整个楼层的工作都会停下来——不只是播音员们，

And he whenever he arrived, everyone all work would stop on the entire floor because it wasn't just this radio announcers.

还包括所有销售人员和其他所有人。

It was also all the salespeople and everything.

他会把大家召集到会议室，然后整整一小时什么实质内容都不说，就是特别自信地滔滔不绝。

And he'd haul everyone into this sort of meeting room, and then he'd just say nothing for about an hour, but he just sort of talked really confidently.

其他播音员都说：'别去参加那种会议'，

All the other sort of announcers said, oh, don't bother going to that.

纯粹是浪费时间。

It's just rubbish.

我去参加了一次，感觉就像在看喜剧表演。

And I went to one and it was like, this is comedy.

这简直像是根本不需要刻意搞笑。

This is like don't need to be doing comedy.

完全可以记录下来写成书，然后卖给全世界。

Ready to just write this down, write it into a book, and then sell it to the world.

没错。

So yes.

好的。

Alright.

接下来我要介绍研究员扎克·布朗。

So I'm gonna introduce here researcher Zach Brown.

在《职场人生》早前的一期节目中，我和扎克聊过，他专门研究职场地位现象以及人们为何在工作中使用术语。

So in an earlier episode of This Working Life, I had a chat to Zach, and he studies status and why people use jargon at work.

这是他与我们分享的一些见解。

So this is something that he shared with us.

对大多数人来说，行话是最优的沟通策略。

For most people, jargon is the optimal communication strategy.

这些术语，我们甚至注意不到它们。

These terms, we don't even notice them.

只有当它们被过度使用，或被我们认为冒犯的人使用时——比如资历太浅的人或与我们太过相似构成威胁的人——才会引起反感。

It's only when they're overdone or used by people that we find offensive because they're too junior or they're so similar to us that threat that they're threatening.

只有在这些情况下，它才真正成为负面因素。

It's only in those situations where it's actually a negative thing.

但除此之外，平均而言它的好处远大于成本，这些好处包括提升表达流畅度以及这种社交联结作用。

But, otherwise, the benefits of it on average far outweigh the costs, and the benefits are increased fluency and this sort of socializing bonding kind of thing.

查尔斯，你怎么看？

Charles, what did you make of that?

我完全不同意。

I completely disagree.

我认为使用和滥用这些词汇只会让你显得像个装腔作势的人。

I think I think using and overusing those words completely marks you out as a wanker.

要知道，尤其是你获得的最高地位。

You know, especially the highest status you got.

就像就像就像，关键在于这些东西被过度使用，而认为如果使用得当人们就不会注意到它们的想法简直是荒谬。

Like like like the whole point is that these things are overused and that and the idea that people wouldn't notice them, you know, if they used properly is just insanity.

就像，每个人都知道这些都是糟糕的东西，但但我们的观点并不是因此就该抛弃所有这些词汇。

Like, everyone knows that these are these are terrible things, but but our message is not that we should therefore jettison all those words.

我们的观点是，不。

Our message is, no.

不。

No.

你必须擅长这个。

You've gotta get good at it.

你得变得像那位高级经理一样厉害，你知道的，就是那个在截止时间前跟你确认关键绩效指标的人。

You gotta get as good as the senior manager who's, you know, touching base about your KPIs by COB.

詹姆斯，我要给你听这个。

James, I'm gonna play you this one.

我希望你回应这位研究人员。

I want you to respond to this researcher here.

现在出现了更集中的趋势，因为所有人都在用领英。

There's an increased centralization of it because now there's everyone is on LinkedIn.

如果用动物来比喻，就像我们不再各自分散的水坑饮水，而是整个塞伦盖蒂的动物都涌向同一个水坑。

If if we look at a an animal analogy, it's like we're all now instead of having our own separate watering holes, all the animals on the Serengeti are now heading to the same watering hole.

因此你能看到所有人的展示，看他们如何蹦跳着向他人表现自己。

And so you can see everyone else's displays and how everyone's jumping around and trying to to present themselves to others.

于是就有了领英网站和其他社交媒体平台之间的交叉传播，同时还有这些咨询公司也在做着完全相同的事情。

And so there's this cross pollination with LinkedIn sites or or other social media sites, but then also you have these consultancies that are working at all the same things as well.

詹姆斯。

James.

在这个过程中我们发现了一件特别有趣的事——尤其因为我们在英国做了很多现场演出，经常被问到：英国和澳大利亚在流行语和行话上有区别吗？

One of the fascinating things that we've discovered through this process, particularly because we've we've done a lot of live shows in The UK, and a lot of times we get asked, is there a difference in the buzzwords and the jargon between The UK and Australia?

答案是完全没有，一点都没有。

And the answer is zero, like nothing.

前几天我突然想到这一点非常有趣。

And it occurred to me the other day that that's quite fascinating.

对吧？

Right?

因为澳大利亚英语和英国英语在日常用语上有很多差异，对吧？

Because there are lots of differences between Australian English and British English, right, in terms of everyday language.

但在术语方面，我们一个字都没改。

But in terms of the jargon, we don't change a word.

在我们的节目中，唯一需要改动的就是本地化引用，比如把Coles换成Tesco's，或者把Tippex换成纸张这类东西。

In our shows, the only words that we change are, like, local references, like, you know, Coles to Tesco's or Tippex from paper, that kind of thing.

但流行语本身是完全相同的。

But the buzzwords themselves are identical.

真的吗？

Really?

所以我认为我们偶然发现了一种全球通用语言。

So I think we have stumbled on this global language.

与其说是通用语，不如说是装腔作势的术语。

And I It it's the it's not so much the lingua franca as the lingua wanker.

装腔作势的术语。

The lingua wanker.

是啊。

Yeah.

对。

Yes.

你们

Did

刚才说我们轻视美国吗？

you say we slight to The US?

我们没去美国主要是因为担心签证问题，毕竟我们有政治讽刺的背景。

We we haven't we haven't gone to The US mainly because we're worried about our visa situation there given our political satire backgrounds.

这个词就是从美国来的。

It comes from The US.

它来自很多地方

It comes from a lot

其中大部分

of it

来自美国

comes from The US.

难道没有某种机构吗？

Isn't there some sort of institute?

可能是麦肯锡运营的血汗工厂之类的

It's probably a sweatshop or something that McKinsey's runs.

是的

Yes.

就是不断输出词汇

Just pumping out words.

不断输出词汇和混杂的比喻 没错

Pumping out words and mixed metaphors Yes.

你知道的，每天都在发生。

You know, on a daily basis.

就像之前被大家关注的那个人，他就说过不少这样的话。

Like, that guy there who was listened to before had a few of them.

他正在谷歌搜索塞伦盖蒂呢，是的。

He's googling the Serengeti Yeah.

为了找到最新的隐喻。

For the latest metaphor.

是的。

Yeah.

好的。

Okay.

那么让我们来谈谈我们的LinkedIn受众。

So let's get to our LinkedIn audience.

我发了个帖子，问大家能否提名在办公室或邮件里听到/看到的最烦人的流行词或行话。

So I did a post, and I said, can you nominate the most annoying buzzword or jargon you hear in the office or read in an email.

我们就选这个吧。

Let's go with this one.

这是乔发来的。

This one's from Joe.

我们线下再讨论这个吧。

Let's take this offline.

好的。

Okay.

查尔斯，经典啊。

Charles, classic.

是的。

Yes.

你必须接受它。

You have to take it.

其实，我们能不能把这个解释也放到线下讨论？

Actually, can we even take this explanation offline?

定义是什么

What's definition

那个的？

of that?

嗯，你知道吗？

Well, do you know what?

‘线下讨论’本质上就是一种说法，表示我不知道自己在做什么。

Take it offline is is basically it's it's a way of saying, I don't know what I'm doing.

对吧？

Right?

就像，在会议中我经常看到人们这样——有些人简直出神入化地擅长逃避工作和责任。

Like, it's it's I don't wanna and in meetings, I've seen this so often with people.

当你被直接问到工作内容时，有各种套话能帮你脱身，比如‘我们线下讨论这个’，或者‘回头再跟进’，或者‘这更像是特里·唐纳森的问题’，又或者‘我们应该把这个推给市场部，等他们反馈’。

They're they're astonishingly good, some people, at avoiding doing any work or taking responsibility for anything, and there's all sorts of phrases when you're asked a direct question about what you're working on, all sorts of phrases that will get you out of that, like, you know, let's take this offline, or can we circle back on that later, or that's more of a Terry Donaldson question, or maybe we should, you know, ladder that up to marketing, get their response in it.

所以这本质上就是一种逃避工作和责任的手段。

And so it's basically just a way of of of avoiding doing work or being responsible.

对。

Yeah.

因为这不仅仅是'我不知道'。

Because and it's not just I don't know.

还可能是'哦，我还没完成工作'。

It's also, oh, I haven't done the work.

这也可能意味着第二层含义，因为你知道，如果有人问'那份今天要交的文件你准备好了吗？'

That's it could also mean that that's a sort of secondary meaning because, you know, if you say, oh, have you got that document that was due today?

你就说'哦，我们线下处理这个吧'。

You just say, oh, let's take that offline.

是啊。

Yeah.

我手头没有数据

I don't have the numbers in front

现在。

of me right now.

是的。

Yeah.

给人一种你可能有这些数字的错觉，但实际上你并没有全部掌握。

Gives the impression that you might have the numbers somewhere when in reality, you haven't got them all.

关键是会议一结束，你就赶紧溜走。

The key is straight after the meeting, you run away.

嗯。

Mhmm.

因为不然的话，你知道，既然已经说‘线下处理’，也就是从会议中移出，之后你就得为此负责了。

Because otherwise, you know, having taken it offline, like, taking it out of the meeting, you'll then be held accountable.

嗯，我觉得通常的做法是

Well, I think usually what you do is

你直接赶赴下一场会议。

you just head head straight into another meeting.

哦，没错。

Oh, yes.

然后你就会这样。

And then you would yeah.

你一个接一个地开会，结果永远没机会真正开始工作。

You're back to backs, and then you would never actually get to the point where you have to do any work at all.

看，这就是你在展示你的经验了。

See, this is this you're showing your experience.

是啊。

Yeah.

我知道。

I know.

对。

Yeah.

好吧。

Alright.

我收到克里斯汀的一条消息。

I've got one from Christine.

她写道：'让我来好好分析一下这句话。'

She writes, let's unpack that for me.

人们现在连工作之外也这么用，简直让我抓狂。

People use it even outside work now, and it drives me batty.

是啊。

Yeah.

嗯，其实有一类词汇，人们用它们假装自己从事的是刺激有趣的工作，而不是在做些...你懂的...极其枯燥乏味的事情。

Well, this is there's there's a a group of words that people use to pretend that they're actually in a job that's exciting and interesting rather than doing something that is just, you know, mind blowingly, you know, mind numbing.

所以'我们来分析一下'这种说法，或许能让人感觉像是在度假拆行李箱。

And so let's unpack this maybe gives people the sense that they're on holidays, you know, that they're unpacking a suitcase.

还有很多类似游乐场的表达，比如'下班时间到了'这种说法就很常用。

You know, things like you know, lot lot of playground expressions as well, like, you know, close of play is is a is a term that's used a lot.

可能让人感觉回到了幼儿园时代。

You know, maybe gives a sense that you're back at kindergarten.

跳上电话会议。

Jump on a call.

跳个电话，你知道，给人一种感觉，就像在蹦床上跳来跳去之类的。

Jump on a call, you know, gives a sense of, you know, maybe on a trampoline or something.

我们做的所有这些事，都是为了试图让自己脱离工作的现实。

All of these things that we do to try and take ourselves out of the reality of of work.

我给你准备了一个，查尔斯。

I've got one for you, Charles.

罗西写道，回头再聊。

Rosie wrote, circle back.

我知道这是你最喜欢的之一。

I know it's one of your favorites.

我想你已经用过了，就在你刚来这里的头几分钟。

I think you've already used it in, you know, the first moments where you were here.

我们在一个句子里该用多少次这个短语？

How often should we use this in a sentence?

回头再聊。

Circle back.

嗯，是的，每句话用一次是我们的常规建议。

Well, yeah, once per sentence would be our normal Recommendation.

建议。

Recommendation.

不过，你知道，当你向前迈进时，要回头讨论确实很难。

Although, you know, it's it's hard to circle back when you're moving forward.

嗯哼。

Mhmm.

对吧？

Right?

而且我们还建议在每句话结尾加上‘展望未来’这个短语。

And and we also recommend using the phrase moving forward at the end of every sentence.

凯特，你能给我举个例子说明今天下午我该怎么用吗？

Kate, can you give me an example of how I might do this this afternoon?

嗯，其实我可以，但我们能不能稍后再回头讨论这个？

Well, actually, I could, but could we just circle back to that later?

继续推进。

Moving forward.

继续推进。

Moving forward.

好的。

Okay.

莎莉写道：'touch base'现在基本上已经是常规用语了，但每次听到还是让我忍不住皱眉。

Sally writes, touch base is basically normal vernacular at this point, but it still makes me grimace.

是啊。

Yeah.

其实很多人不知道'touch base'原本是个棒球术语，这挺奇怪的。

Well, a of a lot of people don't realize that touch base is actually a baseball analogy, which is weird.

而且澳大利亚和英国人会使用很多棒球术语，尽管他们可能连一场棒球比赛都没看过。

And there are a lot of baseball analogies that the people in Australia and The UK use even though they have never ever watched a game of baseball.

比如'touch base'（保持联系），'hit it out of the park'（大获成功）。

Touch base, hit it out of the park.

我是说，那是个棒球术语。

I mean, that's a baseball analogy.

我是说，你可以辩称那是板球术语，但我很确定它源自美国。

I mean, you could you could argue that it's cricket, but I'm pretty sure it's come from America.

还有什么？

What else?

还有什么其他棒球...

What other there's there's other baseball

全垒打？

Home run?

全垒打。

Home run.

哦，这有点出人意料。

Oh, that's a bit left field.

我很确定那是个棒球术语。

I'm pretty sure that's a baseball analogy.

我们使用这些毫无文化内涵的短语不是很奇怪吗？

Isn't that weird that we use we use all these phrases that have no actual cultural meaning?

其实我最喜欢的一个离题说法是'北极星'这个概念。

And and one of my favorites actually, just just to go on a bit of a tangent, is the idea of a North Star.

你知道的，设定北极星目标。嗯。

You know, setting the North Star Mhmm.

没错。

Yep.

我们在澳大利亚或新西兰用这个词简直疯了，因为南半球根本看不到北极星。

Absolutely bonkers that we use that term in Australia or New Zealand given you can't actually see the North Star in the Southern Hemisphere.

我们没有北极星。

We don't have an North Star.

很多关于组织发展方向的内容。

A lot about where we're going in organizations.

是的。

Yes.

然而组织会信心十足地站出来说，我们需要朝着北极星努力，但实际上我们根本看不到那该死的东西。

And yet organizations will confidently get up and say, we need to work towards our North Star, and it's like, can't actually see the bloody thing.

这个比喻糟透了。

That's a terrible metaphor.

我们立刻停止使用这个说法吧。

Let's stop using that immediately.

我最喜欢的北极星用法是我们在伦敦遇到一个人，他的工作是负责两个北极星项目，嗯。

My favorite use of the North Star was we met somebody in London whose job was to be in charge of two North Star projects Mhmm.

为他的组织。

For his organization.

对吧？

Right?

你会想，但北极星的整个意义在于它是唯一的。

And you're going, but the whole point about an North Star is there's one.

然后

And then

我们当时说，先等等

we said, so but hang on.

比如，你们怎么同时朝两个北极星前进？

Like, how do you direct yourselves towards two north stars?

你们需要一个

You need a

指南针之类的东西

compass or something.

然后他说，哦不

And he said, oh, no.

他们还专门雇了个人负责指南工作

There's somebody else employed who's the head of compassing.

正在研究一个...研究一个指南针项目

Working on a working on a compass project.

指南针项目

Compass project.

是啊。

Yeah.

为了北极星。

For the north Star.

这是真的吗？

Is this for real?

是的。

Yes.

我以为

I thought

其实你知道的，因为你在ABC工作。

Actually, you know, because you work at the ABC.

你听过把北极星当动词用吗？

Have you heard North Star used as a verb yet?

把北极星当动词？

To North Star, this?

是的。

Yeah.

我我我确切知道你们机构有位员工正在推进一个项目，试图让'北极星'这个词在组织内部、在ABC公司中被用作动词。

I I I have good knowledge that there is an employee at your organization who is currently working on a project to try and get the word North Star used as a verb within the organization, within the ABC.

而且他几年前加入ABC时就说，这一切都是胡闹，但只要我能让这个词被当作动词使用，一旦我听到有人这么用，我就辞职，我的任务就完成了。

And and he's and he came to the ABC a few years ago, and he went, this is all rubbish, but if we I can just get this to be used as a verb, as soon as I hear that, I'll quit, and my job here is done.

你是想让我直接在...上使用它吗

Do you want me to just use it on my

我认为你应该这么做。

I think you should.

然后他

And then he

那他就可以

Then he could be

摆脱你了。

free of you.

他到了退休年龄吗？

Is he at retirement age?

你觉得我应该放他走吗？

Do you think I should release him?

因为他已经奉献了一生。

Because he spent his whole lifetime.

是的。

Yeah.

我想五年

I think five years

在ABC工作就够退休年龄了。

at the ABC would make you a retirement age.

这

This

正是让凯瑟琳恼火的地方。

is what is getting Catherine's goat.

她说要循环利用。

She says circularise.

我们该怎么使用这个？

How do we use this?

哇。

Wow.

天啊，詹姆斯，那边正在发生。

My It's happening there, James.

循环利用。

Circularise.

哦，哇。

Oh, wow.

我们...我其实没听说过这个，

We I haven't actually heard that one,

我不这么认为。

I don't think.

但这属于如果你曾有个名词的情况

But that fits into the category of if you've ever got a noun

是啊

Yeah.

直接把它变成动词

Just turn it into a verb.

对

Right.

但之后又变回名词

But then back into a noun.

没错

Yeah.

所以循环化就是实现这个的方式

So circularizing would be the way to do that.

你得先有'圆圈'这个名词，然后变成'循环化'这个动词，接着是'循环化中'或'循环化过程'，我想

Well, you gotta circle, which is a noun, and then circularize, which is a verb, and then circularizing or circularization, I think.

循环化会是

Circularisation would be.

然后是循环化

And then circularisation.

循环化

Circularisation.

这个

This

这条也是来自制作人米歇尔的

one's from producer Michelle as well.

她说这个部分

She says the piece.

为什么大家都谈论沟通部分和人力资源部分？

Why does everyone talk about communication piece and HR piece?

所以这是我最喜欢的之一

So this is one of my favorites.

喜欢用'一块'这个词。

Love a piece.

你知道吗？

You know?

比如说，也许珍妮特可以谈谈财务'一块'。

Like like, let's maybe Janet can can speak to the finance piece.

这这到底是什么意思？

What what does that mean?

就像，这个词本身没有任何实际意义，但你可以把它加进句子里。

Like, it's just one of these beautiful words that it doesn't have any meaning in and of itself, but you can add it to your sentence.

它的作用就是让你能延长句子，这在工作中非常重要——特别是当你不知道自己在做什么的时候。

And what it does is it allows you to extend your sentence, which is very, very important if you're at work and you don't know what you're doing.

懂我意思吗？

You know?

让我们深入探讨下关于机制'一块'的后续发展。

Let's drill down on the on the mechanics piece moving forward.

是啊。

Yeah.

我不知道那是什么意思，但我说这些话已经占用了，你知道的，几秒钟时间，让我听起来比我实际可能更聪明一点。

I don't know what that means, but I've taken up, you know, a few a few seconds saying that I sound a bit more intelligent than maybe I am.

没错。

Yeah.

相当令人印象深刻。

Quite impressive.

而且我认为它还赋予了一种独特的性质，就像是它自成一体了。

And I think also it gives it a sort of its own like, it's it's its own thing then.

它不仅仅是一封邮件。

It's not just an email.

一封邮件片段。

An email piece.

对。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

这是一封邮件。

It's an email piece.

对。

Yeah.

我们回头再讨论整件事吧。

Let's circle back on the whole piece.

听起来更重要些。

Like, sounds more important.

没错。

Yeah.

我觉得我应该加薪了。

Like, I I feel like I deserve a pay rise.

是啊。

Yeah.

这是个令人尴尬的揭露，而且就写在你的书里。

This is an embarrassing reveal, and it's in your book.

是节奏问题。

It's cadence.

哦。

Oh.

是的。

Yes.

就是喜欢用

Just love using

就像，哦，那是我们的节奏，或者我们是否应该，你知道，讨论一下明年的节奏？

it like, oh, that's our cadence or should we, you know, should we discuss the cadence for next year?

对。

Yeah.

这就是我自然而然会说出来的话。

It's what I just say naturally.

听起来非常高级，不是吗？

It sounds very sophisticated, doesn't it?

尽管它实际上并不代表

Even though it doesn't really mean

任何意义。

anything.

莫扎特。

Mozart.

是的。

Yes.

就有节奏。

Had a cadence.

没错。

Yes.

这绝对是个音乐术语。

It's definitely a musical term.

是啊。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

那么给我们这些听众解释一下，他们可能会想，天啊，丽莎听起来像是应该进入高层管理的人。

So define it for us for people who are listening going, gosh, Lisa sounds like she should be in upper management.

我是什么

What am I what

我是什么？Cadence是个音乐术语，对吧？

am I cadence is a musical term, isn't it?

意思是指两个音符之间的距离之类的，不是吗？

That means that the distance between two notes or something, isn't it?

对。

Yeah.

就是看你做某件事的频率。

It's just the what how often you do something.

那我为什么要在会议中使用这个呢？

And why why might I be using this in a meeting?

我指的是什么意思？

What am I meaning?

这比直接说'这是我做某事的频率'听起来更高级。

It sounds more impressive than saying this is how often I do something.

是啊。

Yeah.

这就是我目前的工作节奏。

This is this is my operational work cadence right now.

听起来很棒。

Just sounds lovely.

我太喜欢这个说法了。

I I I love that.

您正在收听的是ABC国家广播电台的《职场人生》节目。

You're listening to This Working Life on ABC Radio National.

我是Lisa Leong，我的嘉宾是来自Wankonomics的James Schleffel和Charles Firth。

I'm Lisa Leong, and my guests are James Schleffel and Charles Firth from Wankonomics.

我们正在讨论工作中使用的语言以及其他话题。

We're talking about the language we use at work amongst other things.

另一个我们需要获取一些明年能用上的流行语和定位的地方是LinkedIn。

One of the other places we have to go to for some buzzwords to help us next year and for a bit of positioning is LinkedIn.

我知道你们为亚里士多德写过一份LinkedIn个人资料。

So I know that you wrote a LinkedIn profile for Aristotle.

亚里士多德在LinkedIn上是如何被描述的？

How is Aristotle described on LinkedIn?

其实我们并没有写这个。

So we we didn't write it.

一手调研。

Primary primary research.

一手调研。

Primary research.