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直播:黄仁勋谈构建智能时代的动力引擎

LIVE: Jensen Huang on Building the Dynamo of the Intelligence Age

本集简介

英伟达创始人兼首席执行官黄仁勋提出,计算正经历 60 年来最重大的转变:从检索时代——数据中心存储我们查询的文件,转向生成时代——每个字、每张图片、每段视频都实时生成,并针对提问者进行个性化定制。他解释了为何英伟达的 AI 工厂是这一时代的动力核心:这些机器输入电子,输出智能令牌,正如西门子当年的发电机将机械运动转化为电力。黄仁勋将智能定位为继电力和互联网之后,将地球“包裹”起来的第三种力量。他剖析了 AI 投资的五层蛋糕——能源、芯片、基础设施、模型和应用,并借助放射学和软件工程领域的案例,驳斥了"AI 将取代工作”的恐惧,证明自动化反而提升了劳动力需求。他的核心观点是:你不会被 AI 取代,但可能会被善用 AI 的人取代。 主持人:康斯坦丁·布勒(Konstantine Buhler),红杉资本

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非常感谢你,詹森。

Thank you so much, Jensen.

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我们现在正处在一场巨大的人工智能革命之中。

So we are in the middle of a massive AI revolution.

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这场革命的规模和速度,可能甚至超过了工业革命。

It is probably bigger and faster than even the industrial revolution.

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你曾指出,眼下正在发生的,是人类历史上最大规模的基础设施建设。

And you have called out what's happening right now as the largest infrastructure build out in human history.

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这场建设的核心是人工智能工厂,而推动这一切的公司就是英伟达。

At the center of that build out is the AI factory, and the company enabling all of that is NVIDIA.

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你能跟我们说说,什么是人工智能工厂?为什么它是未来十年任何企业最值得投资的方向?

Can you tell us what is an AI factory, and why is it the best investment for any enterprise in the next decade?

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好吧,你对人工智能的理解可能有几种方式。

Okay, so you understand AI in a particular number of ways.

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你对人工智能最熟悉的理解方式,大概就是通过聊天机器人,或者通过网页浏览器。

The way that you understand AI probably most is through a chat bot, through a web browser.

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你正在和它互动。

You're interacting with it.

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你给它一个指令。

You give it a prompt.

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它就会给你回话。

It says something back to you.

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即使你用AI已经有一段时间了,过去两三年里,你也明显看到AI的能力有了巨大提升。

And even those of you who have been using AI for some time, you've seen in the last couple, two, three years a very significant evolution improvement in the capabilities of AI.

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两年前,大家还在谈论ChatGPT。

Two years ago you heard about ChatGPT.

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ChatGPT本质上是一种能理解你输入内容的软件。

And ChatGPT basically is a computer software that understands the input you give it.

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它能感知并理解信息。

It can perceive, understand information.

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还能把信息翻译或转化成其他形式。

And it can translate and generate the information into something else.

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好了,你可以给它一个指令,比如说:这是我给你的PDF文件。

Okay, so you can give it a prompt and you can say, here's this PDF I gave you.

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请你现在帮我总结一下。

I would like you now to summarize it.

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它以前是从文字到文字的处理。

It went from text to text.

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你也可以告诉它:这是我给你的PDF文件。

You could also tell it, here's a PDF I gave you.

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现在请你根据这个故事生成一张图片。

I would like you to now generate an image of that story.

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这就变成了从文字到图片的转换。

It goes text to image.

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你还可以从图片到文字,比如给它一张图,问:这张图里发生了什么?

You could use go from image to text, meaning you could give it a picture and what's happening inside this picture?

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这就叫从图片到文字的转换。

It goes image to text.

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这样说得通吗?

Does that make sense?

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任何东西都能转成别的东西。

Anything to anything else.

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两年前的AI主要就能做这种转换了。

And AI in two years ago was largely able to do this translation.

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我们管这叫生成。

We call it generation.

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生成式模型。

Generative models.

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生成式AI。

Generative AI.

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但在‘生成式AI’这个词里,真正关键的是,光会生成还不够,更宝贵的是能思考——既要理解,也要生成,但更重要的是思考。

But the thing that is very big deal inside that word generative AI is in order to do something even more valuable than generation, understanding and generating, is thinking.

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不过,要是连话都说不出来,那也谈不上思考。

Well, you can't think if you don't generate words.

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因此,生成式AI的基础让我们具备了产生内在思维的能力。

And so the foundation of generative AI gave us the ability to generate internal thoughts.

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思考、推理、一步步地推理、解决问题。

Thinking, reasoning, step by step reasoning, problem solving.

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它还让我们实现了另一件如今非常重要的事:生成智能来控制其他东西。

It also allowed us to do another thing that is now very important which is generate intelligence to control something else.

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生成控制指令来使用工具。

To generate control to use a tool.

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这说得通吗?

Does it make sense?

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比如用浏览器、用电子表格、用Photoshop、用PowerPoint、用某个工具,或者用AutoCAD之类的。

To use a browser, use a spreadsheet, use Photoshop, use PowerPoint, use something, use AutoCAD, use another tool.

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现在的工具都是数字的,但将来这些工具可能会变成机械的。

Now, that tool today is digital, but someday that tool will be mechanical.

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如果我生成一条指令去控制一个机械系统,那这就叫机器人技术。

So if I generate a command to a mechanical system, that would be called robotics.

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如果我生成指令来控制一辆有方向盘的汽车,那就叫自动驾驶。

If I generate commands for a machine with steering wheel, that would be called self driving cars.

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这能理解吧?

Does that make sense?

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好的。

Okay.

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事实上,两年前你就已经看到了这些基础技术。

And so two years ago, in fact, you saw the foundations.

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我们当时叫它ChatGPT。

We call it ChatGPT.

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大家都说,哎,挺好玩的。

And everybody said, ah, it's fun.

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觉得挺荒唐的,或者生成了一堆胡编乱造的内容。

It's silly, or it produced a whole bunch of crazy hallucinated text.

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这些都没错,但那正是促成今天这一切的基础技术。

That's all true, but it was the foundational technology that led to all of this.

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两年后的今天,我们已经有了具备自主行动能力的系统。

Two years later, we now have agentic systems.

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这只是一个看待人工智能的角度。

Now, that's one view of AI.

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我刚才描述的就是这个视角——人工智能到底能做什么?

I just described the view, which is what can AI do?

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对吧?

Right?

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现在你们都注意到了,无论是ChatGPT、Codecs还是Cloud Code,你们都能看到,它不再只是能理解,还能真正干活儿。

And so now all of you realize you see it from ChatGPT, you see it from Codecs, you see it from Cloud Code, you see that it's now able to not just understand, but it's able to do work.

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能思考,也能做事。

Reason and do work.

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两年前,当人工智能还能理解你、生成一些有趣又新颖、带点可爱的内容时,

Now, two years ago, when AI was able to understand you and generate information that was interesting, novel, a little cute.

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需要写首诗?那会是个不错的选择。

Whenever you need a poem written, great way to do it.

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对吧?

Right?

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谁不想写一首乡村歌曲呢?

Who doesn't want to write a country song?

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两年前是那样,但现在因为AI能干活了,它就有了价值。

And so that was two years ago, but now because it's able to do work, AI is valuable.

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价值就在于它能生成信息、产出有用的工作成果,而且还能为此收费。

Valuable meaning it can generate information, it can generate useful work, and it can be paid for it.

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我们愿意花钱请聪明人,喜欢那些什么都知道的人,但不会为他们的知识付钱。

Because we pay for, we're interested in having friends that are smart, we love people who are know it alls, but we don't pay them for it.

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我们付钱的是那些真正做事的人。

We pay for people who do work.

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这说得通吧?

Does that make sense?

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好了,这就是过去两年发生的事。

Alright, which is what happened in the last two years.

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AI从当初只是有这个能力,到现在AgenTek已经能产出真正有用的工作了。

AI went from having this capability to now AgenTek went from not very valuable to now producing useful work.

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它产生的有用工作多到你我每天都在用,而且按小时给AI付钱。

So much useful work that you and I are doing this every day, we're paying AI by the hour.

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对吧?

Right?

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我们可能每小时付它三十块、二十块来做这些事。

And so we might pay them $30 an hour to do the work, 20 an hour to do the work.

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如今,我们其实正在给AI花不少钱。

We're basically paying AI a lot of money today.

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这是人类历史上增长最快的软件业务。

The fastest growing software business in the history of mankind.

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因为它现在能做有用的事,而我们愿意为这些事付钱。

Because now it's doing useful work and we can pay them to do it.

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当然,这只是看待AI的一种角度,就是它能做什么。

Now, that's one view of AI, which is what it can do.

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但还有一种看待人工智能的角度,对理解康斯坦丁所说的话特别重要。

But one other view of AI that's really important to help reason through what Konstantine is saying.

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比如,有些公司和人之所以能打造出成功的企业,甚至切入大型行业的核心,是因为他们看到这项能力时,觉得非常有意思。

So, example, the reason why some companies, some people are able to build great businesses and could maneuver themselves into the center of very large industries is because when they see this capability, this is very interesting.

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一个值得思考的问题是,如果我们能做到这一点,这对下游产业会有什么影响?

One interesting thought is if we're able to do this, what is the implication to this downstream industries?

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这个话题确实值得深入聊聊。

That's an interesting conversation we should have.

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明白吗?

Okay?

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现在人工智能能做到这些了,那医疗、金融、生命科学、制造、物流、运输这些行业会怎么样?还有更多领域。

So now that AI can do this, what happens to all the industries like healthcare and financial services, and life sciences, manufacturing, logistics, transportation, on and on and on.

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电商、广告、未来的娱乐,只要想到人工智能现在能做这些,就能展开一连串关于它接下来还能做什么的讨论。

E tail, advertising, future entertainment, the conversations list you can have about now that AI can do this, what can it do as a result subsequently?

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这确实是个值得探讨的话题。

That's an interesting conversation.

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但你应该往上游看,从产业角度来说,这到底意味着什么?

But you should go upstream, meaning industrially, what does that mean?

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所以你首先会意识到这一点。

And so the first thing you realize is this.

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回到最根本的原理。

Go back to first principles.

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我刚才跟你说过,人工智能其实就是软件,是由计算机生成的。

I told you just now that AI is software and is being produced by a computer.

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那么,是什么让计算机具备了这种能力呢?

Now, what happened to the computer that has made it possible to do this?

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关键在于,我们今天所知的计算机,其实大约六十四年前才出现。

Well, the big idea is, you think about the computer as we know it today, it really emerged about sixty four years ago.

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当年IBM System/360的发布,是计算领域最重要的里程碑,而那时IBM是全球最有价值的公司。

IBM System March was the biggest announcement of computing and sixty four years ago IBM was the most valuable company in the world.

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正是他们奠定了现代人对计算机的理解。

And they created the modern understanding of computers.

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我们今天能描述的关于计算机的一切,早在1964年就已经说清楚了。

Everything that we can describe about computer was really described in 1964.

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接下来整整四十年,基本没怎么变过。

For forty years, largely has remained the same.

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这种计算方式叫作‘预录制’。

And what happened was that form of computing is called pre recording.

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你写好一个故事,存成一个文件。

You write down your story, you save it to a file.

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你亲手写一段程序,存成一个文件。

You write a program by hand, you save it to a file.

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你拍张照片,存成一个文件;录段音乐,存成一个文件;现在你拍视频,我们虽然在直播,但有人迟早会录下来,存成一个文件。

You take a picture, you save it to a file, you record music, you save it to a file, you make a video right now, we're streaming right now, but somebody's going to record it, you're going to save it to a file.

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等你以后想用的时候,再从硬盘里调出来。

And when you want to use it later, you retrieve it from the disk drive.

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这样讲清楚了吗?

Does that make sense?

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而这个检索过程是智能完成的。

And the retrieval process is done intelligently.

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所以每个人看到的新闻内容都不太一样。

So that's why everybody's retrieval of a news story is a little bit different.

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这叫推荐系统。

It's called a recommender system.

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但说到底,我们今天所熟知的计算机本质上是个基于检索的系统,这也解释了为什么这些地方叫数据中心。

But basically, computers as we know it today is a retrieval based system, which is the reason why these buildings are called data centers.

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它们存储数据。

They store data.

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注意,它们不叫计算机中心,因为其实没怎么进行计算。

Notice they don't call them computer centers because it's not doing much computing.

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它们只是存着数据,等你用手机点一下,再把相关内容调出来。

They just store data that you retrieve based on what you touch on your phone.

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不过现在的情况是,如果你仔细想想我刚才说的,为了让AI按我说的方式运作,每次我对它说话,都得给它提供新的信息,我们称之为上下文。

Well, what happened now, if you look at what I just described, in order for this AI to work as I described it, every time I say something to it, I have to give it new information, we call it context.

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我给它一个新的输入,这就叫查询。

I give it a new prompt, that's called a query.

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它会先结合上下文和查询来理解,再进行推理,最终根据具体情况生成回应。

Between the context and the query, it will understand it first, reason about it and it will produce an output based on that context in that query, based on the circumstance.

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到目前为止,你们能跟上吗?

Does that make sense so far?

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好,给我点个头示意一下。

Okay, give me one nod, okay?

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如果是这样,每次你使用AI时,内容都是全新生成的。

And so, if that is the case, every time you use the AI, the content is produced originally every single time.

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我此刻对你们说的每一句话,都是实时生成的。

Everything I'm saying to you right now is being produced in real time.

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因为我的讲解是基于这样一个前提:你们来自60个不同的国家、128个不同的家庭。

And it's because my explanation is based on the fact that I realize all of you come from 60 different countries, 128 different families.

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你们每个人都有截然不同的背景。

You all have many different backgrounds.

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你们当中有些人可能来自计算机行业。

Some of you probably came from the computer industry.

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但大多数人应该不是。

Most of you probably did not.

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所以我用足够深入的方式向你们解释这些信息。

And so I'm explaining the information to you in a way that is sufficiently deep.

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但我的最终目标是帮你们学会如何做出下一次投资决策。

But ultimately my goal is this, so that you know how to make your next investment.

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我之所以这么说,是想给你们足够的信息,让你们自己能独立判断,下次看到有潜力的机会时,就知道该不该投。

That's what I'm leading to and so I'm going to give you enough sufficient information that you can reason about it for yourself so that when you see something in the next time you go, that's worth investing in.

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那会是一个巨大的产业。

That's going to be a big industry.

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现在它值一万亿美元,看起来已经很大了,但跟它未来的发展相比,根本不算什么。

That's $100,000,000,000 right now and it looks really big, but that's nothing compared to how big it's going to be.

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我会帮你们建立直觉,去解决这个问题。

I'm going to give you the intuition to solve that problem.

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明白吗?

Okay?

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所以我们现在在这里。

And so here we are.

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过去六十年,计算机行业主要靠检索信息,但突然有一天,一切都变成了实时生成。

Went from a computer industry that was largely based on retrieval for sixty years and all of a sudden, one day, it's completely generated in real time.

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我们管这叫智能。

We call it intelligence.

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我此刻正在给你们演示的就是这个。

This is what I'm doing right now for you.

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我正在展示什么是智能。

I'm demonstrating intelligence.

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有上下文意识,他给了我一个提示,我就给出了回应。

Contextual awareness, he gave me a prompt and here comes my answer.

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这样讲清楚了吗?

Does it make sense?

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这是极其先进的人工智能。

Extremely artificial intelligence.

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明白吗?

Okay?

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那现在到底发生了什么?

So here, what's going on now?

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我刚才只给了你一个词。

I just gave you one word earlier.

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这叫生成式。今天的计算机已经彻底被重新定义了,现在它具备生成能力。

It's called generative The computer of today has been completely reinvented, it's now generative.

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从今往后,你看到的每一个字符、每一个字母、每一个词、每一段视频、每一张图片、每一条广告、每一支电视广告、每一个新闻故事,全都不一样。

And every single toe, every single letter you see, every single word you see in the future, every video, every image, every ad, every TV commercial, every single time you read a story, a news story, every one of them will be different.

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你看到的、我看到的、康斯坦丁看到的,都会完全不同,因为内容是专为你生成的。

What Konstantine sees, what I see, what you see will be completely different because it'll be generated for you.

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因为你的兴趣、你的上下文、你是谁、你为什么问、你是怎么问的,全都独一无二。

Because your interest, your context, who you are, for what reason you asked, how you asked is completely different.

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这样理解对吗?

Does it make sense?

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所以,未来你看到的每一个像素、听到的每一个声音、每一段视频,都是全新生成的,而不是从库里调出来的。

And so therefore, therefore, every single pixel that you see, every single sound that you hear in the future, every video you see in the future will be originally generated, not retrieved.

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这意味着,未来我们需要大量的生成器。

Which means in the future we need a lot more generators.

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而这些生成器,正是我们做的东西。

And these generators is what we build.

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我们平时就是干这个的。

That's what we build for a living.

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这些是大型计算机,它们在生成智能。

These are large computers and they're generating intelligence.

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接下来的问题是:

Now the next question is this.

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那它究竟能有多大呢?

Well, how big could it be?

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它究竟能有多大?

How big can it be?

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事实上,如今我们为全球大约十亿人提供信息生成和智能服务。

And so it turns out, the amount of information, the amount of generation of intelligence, we do it for about a billion people in the world today.

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现在我告诉你们,AI已经具备了自主行动的能力,也就是说,它能独立完成任务。

Now that I told you that AI has become agentic, meaning that it can actually do work by itself.

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既然它能独立工作,那一个智能体就可以跟另一个智能体沟通:我这儿有活儿,咱们联手干吧。

Well, if it can do work by itself, then one agent can communicate with another agent and say, I have some work to do, let's team up together and let's do some work.

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于是,这么多智能体就协同合作,帮你公司解决各种问题。

And now you have all these different agents and they're all working together to solve problems inside your company, say.

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在我们公司,康斯坦丁很清楚,我们是自主型AI的重度使用者。

So inside our company, Konstantine knows that we're huge users of agentic AI.

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眼下可能有几十万个智能体在后台跑着,各自干活、互相沟通、解决问题。

We have hundreds of thousands of agents probably running around right now that are doing work and they're talking to each other and they're solving problems.

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所有这些智能体都受到严格管控,运行在隔离环境中,但它们彼此之间紧密协作。

All guardrailed, all sandboxed, all guardrailed and sandboxed, but they're all working with each other.

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这意味着,未来我们今天供十亿人使用的互联网,很可能主要由几千亿个智能代理全天候运行,它们彼此通信、使用网络。

Which means in the future it is very likely that the internet that we use today for a billion people will likely mostly be several billion, call it a 100,000,000,000 agents working around the clock and they're using the internet and talking to each other.

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那它们都在说什么呢?

And what are they saying?

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比如,公司之间会互相协作,员工的代理也会与其他员工的代理配合工作。

So for example, there'll be companies working with companies, employees' agents working with other employees' agents.

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会有自动驾驶汽车,它们都是智能代理。

There'll be self driving cars, which are agentic.

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也会有机器人,它们同样是智能代理。

There will be robots, which are agentic.

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所有制造系统,每一栋建筑,都会成为智能代理。

All the manufacturing systems, every building will be agentic.

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到处都会是这些代理,它们都在使用互联网。

There will be agents all over the place, they'll be using the internet.

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它们之间发出的所有指令,都会自动生成。

And all of those commands that they generate to each other will be generated.

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它们所有的思考过程,也都是自动生成的。

All of the thoughts that they have to understand, all generated.

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这听起来明白吗?

Does that make sense?

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所以,整个世界将会被一层无处不在的计算网络包裹起来,时刻不停地产生智能。

And so basically the world is going to be this layer of computing that's going to cocoon the earth and it's going to be generating intelligence all the time.

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我刚才说的这话,听起来可能有点荒谬。

Now I just said something that sounds ridiculous.

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但事实上,它已经发生了。

Except, in fact it's already happened.

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两次了。

Twice.

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三百年前,一家德国公司,西门子,制造了一台机器。

So three hundred years ago, a company in Germany called Siemens produced a machine.

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这台机器非常特别。

And this machine is a really interesting machine.

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你走到这台机器跟前,点一把火把它烧了。

You go up to this machine, you light it on fire.

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然后,一股奇妙的无形力量就会从另一端涌出来。

And then this incredible invisible force comes out the other end.

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当时没人知道那是什么东西。

Nobody understood what it was.

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现在我们管它叫电。

We understand it now as electricity.

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世界上一共有多少发电设施?

How many power generators are there in the world?

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我们把它叫做电网。

We call it a grid.

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发电设施就像一层外壳,包裹着整个地球。

Power generation cocoons the planet.

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我们管它叫电网。

We call it the grid.

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当然,三十多年前,甚至更早的时候,美国这边诞生了一种网络架构,后来发展成了互联网。

And then of course, twenty some odd years ago, earlier than that, thirty five years ago, this networking scheme, networking matrix fabric was created here in The United States, eventually became the internet.

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那它到底在哪呢?

And where is it?

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它包裹着整个世界。

It cocoons the world.

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所以现在,我们有了能源、通信和智能,它们都会像这样包裹整个世界。

And so now you have energy, communications, intelligence, and it will cocoon the world.

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到时候,它就会变成一种日用品,到处都能用上。

And it'll just be a commodity, we'll use it all over the place.

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而英伟达现在做的,就是这种全新的机器。

And so what NVIDIA does for a living is this new machine.

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三百年前发明的那台机器,叫发电机。

The machine that was invented three hundred years ago is called the dynamo.

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只要有任何东西在动,就能被这台发电机利用。

That dynamo, anything that moves comes in.

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可能是瀑布,也可能是风、火、蒸汽。

It could be waterfalls, it could be wind, fire, steam.

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把运动——也就是原子——转化成电子。

Transfer it from motion, atoms, right, to electrons.

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从原子到电子。

Atoms to electrons.

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然后我们把这些电子输入到我们的机器里,也就是NVIDIA。

We then take the electrons into our machine called NVIDIA.

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电子进入我们的机器,进入这座工厂,输出的东西是数字。

Electrons now comes into our machine, comes in this factory, and what comes out are numbers.

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这些数字,只要组合方式不同,就能变成语言、数学。

These numbers, depending on how you combine them, turns into language, math.

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它还能转化成我们新掌握的一种语言——蛋白质。

It can also turn into a new language we've learned, proteins.

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我们学会了人类生物学的语言。

We learned the the language of human biology.

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我们学会了物理世界、气候和天气的语言。

We learned the language of the physical world, physics, climate, weather.

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我们学会了三维世界、机器人和自动驾驶汽车的语言。

We learned the language of the three d world, robotics, self driving cars.

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我们学会了各种不同形式智能的语言。

We learned the language of all kinds of different forms of intelligence.

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但关键是,这两台机器相隔三百年,输入的是原子,输出的是电子;输入电子,输出数字,而这些数字可以被重新组合、重新构建,变成各种各样的智能。

But the point being, now, these two machines, three hundred years apart, atoms in, electrons out, electrons in, numbers out, and those numbers could be rejiggered, reformulated into all kinds of different intelligence.

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我们打造的就是这个,这正是我们谋生的方式,所以我管它叫工厂——它在生产东西,我们叫它们令牌,但其实它们就是数字,这些令牌就是智能。

That's what we built, that's what we do for a living, and that's why I call it a factory because it's producing, we call them tokens but they're just numbers, tokens and these tokens are intelligence.

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就是这样。

That's it.

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我们做的就是这个。

That's what we do.

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其实没那么难。

It's not that hard.

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太棒了。

Brilliant.

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现在你知道AI是干什么的了,也知道它是怎么构建的,以及它未来会有多大的规模。

Now you know what AI's for, and now you know how AI's built, and how big it's gonna be.

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感谢大家今天参与。

Thank you all for joining today.

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谢谢。

Thank you.

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干得漂亮。

Good job.

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问得好。

Excellent question.

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我真的觉得这一点说得很到位。

I really felt that carried it.

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你知道,那个提示词。

You know, the prompt.

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你把它讲得清清楚楚。

You laid it up.

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是的。

Yeah.

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明白了。

Okay.

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这是一场巨大的变革。

So this is a massive revolution.

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对。

Yeah.

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你刚才提到了三个转型方向。

And you you laid out three transformations.

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能源转型,跟今天每个人都息息相关,现场很多观众都来自全球的制造和能源企业;通信技术,把我们所有人连在一起;还有就是智能。

Energy transformation, which touches everyone today, and a lot of the people in the audience are part of these manufacturing and energy producers globally, telecommunications, which connects all of us, and now intelligence.

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在能源领域,你提到过发电机,还有电信。

And in energy, you talked about the generator, telecommunications.

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我觉得,这在通信领域对应的大概是交换机,或者类似的东西,负责全球通信的路由。

I guess the comparable would be the switch or something along those lines for routing communications globally.

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而在智能革命中,核心就是GPU。

And now in the intelligence revolution, it's the GPU at the core.

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还有像H100这样的AI工厂,或者所有新系统,把所需的一切都整合在一起,就像维拉·鲁宾那样,会发生什么变化。

And the AI factory like the h 100 or any of the new systems that bring everything you need under the same hood, Vera Rubin, what happens.

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这些工厂,你知道,这些发电机,我们每个单元叫一个机架,里面装了72块芯片。

These factories, so you know, these generators, each one of our units, we call it a rack, there's 72 chips inside.

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今年我们生产了大约800万台。

We manufacture, call it 8,000,000 of them this year.

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但72块芯片会组成一个机架。

But 72 of them go into a rack.

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一个机架重达两吨。

That rack weighs two tons.

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售价四百万美元。

It is $4,000,000.

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包含一百五十万个零部件,是全球最昂贵的设备。

Has one and a half million parts and it's the most expensive piece of equipment in the world.

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我们生产这些设备,就像生产手机一样。

And we manufacture them like, I guess it would be like phones.

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我们大规模量产,然后运往世界各地的数据中心。

I mean we crank them out And they go into data centers all over the world.

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我们是以大批量的方式制造这些机器的。

We build these machines in volume.

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这些设备体积很大。

They are big devices.

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这相当于你做力量训练的方式。

This is how you do your weight lifting.

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我明白了。

I understand.

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没有批量折扣。

No volume discounts.

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明白了。

Okay.

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你描绘了一个令人兴奋的世界图景,

So you laid out this picture of a very exciting world

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是的。

Mhmm.

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而我们就生活在这个世界里。

That we are in.

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我们正处在一场革命的中心。

We're in the middle of this revolution.

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我们确实身处其中。

We're Yeah.

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你说得对,这已经持续了几十年,也可以说是好几年了。

You could say decades in, you could say years in.

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是的

Yeah.

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现在我们确实已经身处智能革命的主流之中。

Certainly now in the the mainstream of the intelligence revolution.

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我们该如何参与进来?

How do we participate?

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我相信在座的每个人都想参与到这场变革中。

I'm sure everybody here wants to participate in this revolution.

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是的

Yeah.

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非常好的问题。

Excellent question.

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我们先从大型企业说起,然后再谈谈个人。

Let's start with big enterprises, and then let's get to individuals as well.

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对

Yep.

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人们怎么加入这场运动呢?

How do people join this movement?

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刚才我给了你们两个思维模型。

And so now I gave you two mental models.

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我再给你们讲一个思维模型。

I'm gonna give you one more mental model.

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其中一个模型,其实就是我们刚才说的这个故事,希望接下来能完整讲完这四个阶段。

So so one mental model, they're they're really you know, we could talk about this story, hopefully, we cover all four phases.

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我刚刚讲了AI能做什么。

I just talked about what AI can do.

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我还讲了AI是怎么制造出来的。

I talked about how AI is made.

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这些AI设备都放在这些工厂里。

And these things are in these factories.

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每座工厂的功率达到一吉瓦,成本大约是五百亿美元,这应该是世界上造价最高的工厂了。

These factories are each gigawatt is about $50,000,000,000 So have you ever seen it's the most expensive factory in the world.

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但这座价值五千亿美元的工厂,还能产出三到四万亿美元的智能价值。

But also, that 1 $50,000,000,000 factory also generates $300 $400,000,000,000 in intelligence.

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所以它的产出价值简直惊人。

And so the production value is incredible.

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投资回报的速度快得不得了。

The return on investment is extremely fast.

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这就是工厂这部分的情况。

And so that's the factory part.

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接下来我要跟你们说的,这一点在考虑投资时特别关键:人工智能的产业布局到底是什么样子?

The part that I'm going to tell you now, and this is very important when you think about investment, is what does the industrial layout look like for AI?

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理解这个产业格局,可以把它想象成一个五层蛋糕。

And the way to think about the industrial view is think of it as a five layer cake.

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最底层是能源,这一点我之前说过。

Now, told you on the bottom is energy.

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最底层,还记得我提过的动力源吗?

The bottom is, remember I said the dynamo, Okay?

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现在我们有各种交流发电机之类的设备,用于发电。

Now we have, of course, different AC generators and things like that, power generation.

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所以最底层就是能源。

And so on the lowest layer is energy.

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这是几十年来能源行业最大的增长机遇。

This is the single greatest opportunity in several generations for the energy industries to grow.

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可能是近一百年来,全球许多国家的电网第一次有机会大规模投资。

The very first time in probably, I don't know, one hundred years since the energy grid in many countries could be invested in.

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这是投资清洁能源的最佳时机。

This is the best opportunity to invest in sustainable energy.

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只要你关心清洁能源——核能、风能、太阳能,不管哪种形式,甚至氢能,只要能发电,就一定能拿到资金。

If you care about sustainable energy, nuclear, air, or wind, solar, you name it, whatever form, hydrogen, whatever form, so long as it produces energy, it's going to get funded.

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这说明现在有多好的时机,因为我们手上有整整一万亿美元。

And so that tells you something about how great of a time this is because we have a trillion dollars.

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你想想,仅今年一年,市场就会投入一万亿美金到我接下来要讲的这五层架构里。

Just think, this year alone, we're going to put a trillion dollars from the market into this entire five layer cake I'm about to describe to you.

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第一层是能源。

So the first layer is energy.

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这就是西门子表现这么好的原因。

That's the reason why Siemens is doing so well.

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三菱也做得非常出色。

Mitsubishi is doing fantastically.

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通用电气,维诺瓦。

GE, Vernova.

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我的意思是,所有公司都一样。

I mean everybody.

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这个蛋糕的第一层是能源。

The first layer of the cake is energy.

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第二层是芯片、电脑、网络、交换设备和硅光子技术。

The second layer of the cake is chips and computers and networking and switches and silicon photonics.

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这样理解清楚吗?

Does that make sense?

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这些都是计算机。

It's all the computers.

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第三层我们称之为基础设施。

The third layer of the cake, we call it infrastructure.

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土地、电力、建筑、资金、数据中心运营。

Land, power, shell, money, data center operations.

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如今每一项都供不应求。

Every one of them in scarce supply today.

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所以下一层就是基础设施层。

And so that's the next layer, is infrastructure layer.

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而大家都能看到、以为是人工智能的那层,其实是模型层。

And then the layer that everybody sees, that everybody thinks is AI, is the model layer.

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这样理解清楚了吗?

Does it make sense?

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再下一层就是这个了。

That's the next layer.

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它搭建在计算机和云基础设施之上。

It sits on top of the computers, cloud infrastructure.

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这是我所知道的,近年来人类历史上最大的机遇——这么多市场驱动的投资正自然涌入这个生态系统。

And this is the greatest opportunity in recent human history that I know that so much market driven investment is naturally coming into the ecosystem.

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现在正是打造的好时机。

This is a great time to build.

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所以,这就是模型层。

And so now that's the model layer.

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模型层包括OpenAI和Anthropic,但这一部分你绝对不能忽视。

The model layer is OpenAI, it's anthropic, but this is the part that you can't overlook.

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这非常关键。

This is very important.

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你听说过两家公司,都知道它们的名字。

So you have two companies that you know of, that you hear about.

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不过别忘了,就像我之前说的,AI已经掌握了语言。

However, don't forget AI as I was explaining earlier has learned the language.

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它学会的不只是语言,还有背后的意思。

It learns the language and the meaning.

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语言,还有任何有结构事物的含义。

Language, the meaning of anything that is structural.

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所以这一层最关键的是,我们总在谈语言,但别忘了,只要有结构,就能学会任何东西。

So that layer, what's really important is that we hear, we talk about all the language, but don't forget, you can learn anything with structure.

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我来举个例子,说明什么是结构化的东西。

And so let me give you an example of something with structure.

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今天我走进房间时,看到很多人,你们的出现其实都在我预料之中。

Today, when I walked into a room, I was explaining a lot of people and it wasn't unexpected the way you appeared.

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但如果你们当中有人倒挂在天花板上,漂在半空,还有人身体分散成十七个部分,我能直接看穿你们,那这种场景就太难学了,因为每次都不一样。

Now, if some of you were hanging off the ceiling and floating in mid air and some of you, the one human but body parts in 17 different places and I could see through some of you then it's hard to learn that because every time it's different.

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明白了。

Okay.

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因为量子层面的东西实在太难掌握了。

Because it's hard to learn quantum things.

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不过,有规律的东西我们是可以学会的,对吧?

However, things with structure we can learn, right?

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人都有眼睛,所以这些你都能学会,明白吗?

People have eyes and so you can learn these things, okay?

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所以,关于三维空间,我学了物理定律,坐下去的时候我就有信心了。

And so, three d, I learned the laws of physics, I sat down and notice, I sat down with confidence.

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我有53%的时间能稳稳坐下,剩下47%的时间就直接穿过去了。

I 53% of the time I landed safely on the chair, the other 47% of the time I went right through it.

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所以我不能百分百依赖它。

And so I can't trust it but 100% of the time.

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你们明白吗?

Do you guys understand?

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如果一件事是可预测的,那它就有规律,你可以从中学习,也能理解它的意义,对吧?

And so if things are predictable, then there's structure you can learn from it and you can learn the meaning of it, okay?

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我们已经理解了蛋白质的意义,现在也在探索基因的意义,不只是测序,也不只是用CRISPR编辑,而是搞清楚这个基因到底意味着什么。

And so we learned the meaning of proteins, we're learning the meaning of genes, not just sequencing it, not just CRISPR editing it, but what is the meaning of that gene?

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细胞的意义是什么?

What is the meaning of a cell?

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细胞为什么会做它做的事?

Why does a cell do what the cell does?

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当两个细胞相遇时会发生什么?

What happens when two cells coming together?

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这就跟我是怎么理解一个词的意义一样,我也想这样理解细胞的意义。

And so this is no different than imagine I learned the meaning of a cell the way I learned the meaning of a word.

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那当我把两个词放在一起时,会发生什么?

And what happens when I take two words and put them together?

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这两个词会相互激活,变成另一种全新的意思。

These two words activate each other, turn into something else of another meaning.

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明白吗?

Okay?

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从计算机的角度来看,它根本不关心你处理的是细胞、蛋白质、词、图像还是汽车。

And so from a computer's perspective, it doesn't care if it's a cell, a protein, a word, an image, a car.

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这样说得通吗?

Does that make sense?

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其实就是一些标记。

It's just tokens.

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所以我们作为计算机科学家,得想办法用各种方式来表示世界的信息,让计算机能理解。

And so we have to figure out, as computer scientists, we have to figure out how to represent the world's information in all these different ways so that the computer can understand it.

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理解它,推理它,制定计划,生成行动,这就是智能的循环。

Understand reason about it, come up with a plan, generate an action, the intelligence loop.

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蛋白质也是这样,细胞也是这样,人体结构也是一样。

Protein's the same way, cell's the same way, the human anatomy's the same way.

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这必须是可预测的。

It must be predictable.

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因为明天早上我基本上还是原来的我。

It's predictable because tomorrow morning I'm largely the same.

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这必须是可预测的。

It must be predictable.

Speaker 1

明白吗?

Okay?

Speaker 1

所以我们正在学习各种不同的东西。

And so we're learning all these different.

Speaker 1

我的意思是,你们都知道两个语言模型,但人工智能是个庞大的产业。

My point is there are two language models that you guys know about, but AI is a giant industry.

Speaker 1

其他所有实体产业的规模加起来大约是八十万亿美元。

The industry of everything else physical is about $80,000,000,000,000.

Speaker 1

这才是真正最重要的前沿领域,只是我们还没怎么讨论。

It is actually the most important frontier, the parts that we're not talking about.

Speaker 1

而更进一步,这项技术正推动着康斯坦丁最近接触到的那些初创公司,它们正在金融、法律、会计、交通和物流等领域提出革命性的想法。

And then on top of that, this model, this technology then feeds into all the stuff that Konstantine gets to see these days, which is all of these startups that are coming up with revolutionary ideas in financial services, in legal, in accounting, in transportation, logistics.

Speaker 1

对吧?

Isn't that right?

Speaker 1

就在过去一年,这一层面的风投投入达到了一千亿美元。

And so that layer above, this last year, a $100,000,000,000 of venture capital investment.

Speaker 1

这是人类历史上单年风险投资金额最高的一年。

The single largest year of VC investment in the history of humanity.

Speaker 1

所有这些资金都流向了第五层,也就是最顶层——应用层面,用来提升人类的生活质量。

All of that money is going into that fifth layer, the top layer, which is the layer that apply applications to enhance human condition.

Speaker 1

所以总共有五个层次。

And so there are five layers.

Speaker 1

当你思考人工智能并想投资这个未来时,我向你保证,这个未来将会无比庞大——两年前,这个领域几乎为零,而现在我们即将投入一万亿美元,但这只是冰山一角。我估计,整个AI产业每年的投入可能会达到两万亿美元左右。

When you think about AI and you want to invest in this future, and I promise you this future is going to be gigantic because two years ago, zero, it's approximately, we're about to put $1,000,000,000,000 in, but that's $1,000,000,000,000 out of the, you know, we're going to be putting in probably the AI industry, I'm going to guess for a second, probably something along the lines of $20,000,000,000,000 a year.

Speaker 1

我们现在的一万亿美元投入,只是这个年规模两万亿美元的生态系统中的一部分。

We're $1,000,000,000,000 in of a $20,000,000,000,000 a year ecosystem.

Speaker 1

因为智能的生产,你不妨问问自己:智能到底有多重要?

Because the production of intelligence, you just got to ask yourself, how important is intelligence?

Speaker 1

谁需要智能?

And who needs it?

Speaker 1

你又希望拥有多少?

And how much of it do you want?

Speaker 1

所以这些基本问题就是,所有这些智能——不管是用于蛋白质、汽车、机器人、语言、数学还是科学——都得靠这些机器来生成。

And so those are kind of the basic questions and all of that intelligence, whether it's for proteins or cars or robots or language or math, science, whatever it is, has to be generated by these machines.

Speaker 1

而这五层结构,其实就是工业化版本的体现。

And so this five layer cake is the industrial version.

Speaker 1

我觉得这样来看待投资方向挺合适的。

And I think that's a good way to think about where to invest.

Speaker 0

确实如此。

Hugely so.

Speaker 0

你刚才描述的是一个数万亿美元的机遇,要参与到这场变革中,这包括硬件和基础设施。

So you've described what is a multi trillion dollar opportunity to become part of this revolution, and that includes the hardware and the facilities.

Speaker 0

如果每吉瓦要花五百亿美元,未来几年将有上百个这样的设施上线,光是这一块就是数万亿美元,再加上应用层,那更是多到数不清的万亿级别。

If it's $50,000,000,000 for a gigawatt and there's 100 plus coming online in the next several years, that is trillions plus the application layer where that is many, many more trillions plus, plus, plus.

Speaker 0

这意味着大量实实在在的就业岗位,给那些动手建造的人。

And that means real jobs for people doing the the hands in building.

Speaker 0

还有就是

And then also

Speaker 1

现在就是关键时候。

Right now.

Speaker 1

没错。

Exactly.

Speaker 1

我们得特别强调这一点,这对你来说非常重要。

And We have to really emphasize this, and this is very important to you.

Speaker 1

每个国家对人工智能的态度都不一样。

Every country has a different attitude about AI today.

Speaker 1

你们认同这一点吗?

Would you guys agree with that?

Speaker 1

每个国家都不同,因为各自的文化都有差异。

Every country, because everybody's culture is a little different.

Speaker 1

明白吗?

Okay?

Speaker 1

我的建议是这样的。

And here's my recommendation.

Speaker 1

别太当真那些类比和科幻故事,说什么AI会像《终结者》那样,或者什么‘奇点’、‘人类有20%的概率走向终结’之类的说法。

Be careful with the analogies and the science fiction stories that this is Terminator and words like singularity and ideas that somebody say, in 20% chance this will be the end of humanity as we know it.

Speaker 1

明白吗?

Okay?

Speaker 1

这种对AI的描述纯粹是胡扯。

Those kind of articulations of AI is just nonsense.

Speaker 1

完全是无稽之谈。

It is complete nonsense.

Speaker 1

其实我们根本不清楚它到底是怎么运作的。

Oh, we have no idea how it works.

Speaker 1

搞得好像特别神秘,连它怎么工作都搞不明白。

This is so mysterious we don't even know how it works.

Speaker 1

它可能会明天一早突然站起来,自己走掉——根本不可能。

It might just get up out of its seat and walk out tomorrow morning.

Speaker 1

我毫不怀疑,它就是计算机程序,再普通不过的软件。

There's no question in my mind, it's computer and software.

Speaker 1

我毫不怀疑,他们其实懂它是怎么运作的。

And there's no question in my mind, they know how it works.

Speaker 1

你知道他们是怎么懂的吗?

And do you know how they know how it works?

Speaker 1

因为每年它都在明显进步。

Because every single year apparently it's getting better.

Speaker 1

如果你根本不懂一样东西是怎么运作的,你怎么能改进它?

If you don't know how something works, how do you make it better?

Speaker 1

我也不知道它到底是怎么运作的,但我就是知道怎么让它变得更好。

I have no idea how it works but I know how to make it better.

Speaker 1

这完全是胡说八道。

That's nonsense.

Speaker 1

那他们为什么要这么说呢?

So why are they saying these things?

Speaker 1

这是个挺有意思的问题。

That's an interesting question.

Speaker 1

不过别被吓到了。

However, don't let it scare you.

Speaker 1

你得主动去用它。

You must engage it.

Speaker 1

你可能会,也可能不会被AI取代工作。

You may or may not lose a job to an AI.

Speaker 1

但你肯定会输给那些会用AI的人。

But you will absolutely lose a job to someone who uses AI.

Speaker 1

你同意这个说法吗?

Would you agree with that?

Speaker 1

别纠结那些你不确定的事,先盯住你确信的那些。

Okay, so let's not worry about the things you're not sure about and focus on the things that you are sure about.

Speaker 1

我非常确定,最终会是会用AI的人取代我的工作。

I am absolutely certain I will lose my job to someone who uses AI.

Speaker 1

所以在担心AI之前,我先确保自己会用AI。

So before I worry about AI, let's just go make sure I use AI.

Speaker 1

那为什么我觉得这点常识特别重要,非得跟你们说呢?

Now why is that common sense so important for me to tell you?

Speaker 1

因为你们当中有些人有孩子。

Because some of you have children.

Speaker 1

那你平时怎么建议他们的?

What are you advising them?

Speaker 1

躲得远远的?

Run away?

Speaker 1

还是趁这技术给人添了超能力,赶紧去学会用它?

Or make sure whatever this technology is that gives people superpowers that you go make sure you use it.

Speaker 1

所以我希望我们能做两件事。

So I'm hoping that we do two things.

Speaker 1

第一,我们确实在全力以赴,确保这项技术对全世界来说是安全的。

One, we are and we're doing everything we can to build this technology safely for the world.

Speaker 1

我向你们保证,有大量计算机科学投入、巨额资金和满腔热情,都在为让每个人都能安全使用这项技术而努力,这我都能证明。

I promise you so much computer science, so much investment, so much passion dedicated to making this technology safe for everybody to use and I can prove it.

Speaker 1

两年前用一次ChatGPT,再用一次看看。

Use ChatGPT two years ago and use it again.

Speaker 1

幻觉的情况几乎完全消失了。

The amount of hallucination completely reduced to almost nothing.

Speaker 1

它不仅能准确、贴合语境、紧扣当下地输出信息,如果不知道答案,还会主动去查资料,得出结论后甚至会自我质疑。

To the point where it's producing knowledge not only accurately, contextually relevant, relevant to the moment and if it doesn't know the answer, it does research and when it comes up with an answer, it even questions itself.

Speaker 1

在告诉你答案之前,它会先反思一下。

Before it tells you an answer, it reflects on it.

Speaker 1

它会给出两三个不同的答案,然后逐一反思,最后才把最终答案呈现给你。

And it comes up with two or different answers and it reflects on those before it produces the answer for you.

Speaker 1

安全机制、事实 grounding 这些方面的技术进步得太快了,现在真的安全多了。

The amount of safety and guard railing, grounding of truth, the technology advanced so fast to make it safe.

Speaker 1

我完全可以肯定地跟你说,这些都是事实。

I am certain I can tell you this completely with fact.

Speaker 1

比起一百年前的汽车,我更喜欢现在的车。

I prefer my car today than the car that was one hundred years ago.

Speaker 1

这项技术进步了很多,也安全多了。

The technology is a lot better, but it's a lot safer.

Speaker 1

要让AI变得安全,需要大量技术的突破。

And it takes a lot of technology to be invented in order for it to be safe.

Speaker 1

所以,我可以说,打造安全的AI是我们应尽的责任,是科技行业、科学家和工程师的使命。

And so, I can tell you that it is our job, it is the responsibility of the technology industry, the responsibility of scientists and engineers for us to build AI safely.

Speaker 1

其次,你也有责任告诉身边重要的人——无论是家人、孩子、孙辈,还是你工作的公司,或者你所在的国家。

Two, it is your responsibility to make sure that you tell the people that you love, whether it's your family, your kids, your grandkids, or the company you work for, or the country that you're in.

Speaker 1

不管怎样,都要去使用AI。

Whatever we do, engage AI.

Speaker 1

如果我们觉得它是种超能力,那就去用它。

If we think it's a superpower, engage it.

Speaker 1

因为如果我们不用,别人就会用。

Because if we don't engage it, somebody else will.

Speaker 1

我们不会被AI夺去生命,而是会被那些会用AI的人超越。

We're not gonna lose our lives to AI, we're gonna lose our lives to somebody who uses AI.

Speaker 1

哎呀,我说得太严肃了。

And so that's my, well that's too serious.

Speaker 1

对,我说得太严肃了。

That's the That's too serious.

Speaker 1

因为他提到了‘工作’这个词,我就被触发了。

That was because he said the word job.

Speaker 1

我有个敏感点,就是很多人瞎编关于工作的说法。

So I've got a trigger and the trigger is a bunch of people making stuff up about jobs.

Speaker 1

今年我们不是往全球生态系统投入了一万亿美元吗?

We put a trillion dollars into the world's ecosystem this year, did we not?

Speaker 1

这笔钱都干了啥?

What's it doing?

Speaker 1

创造了大量就业机会。

Making jobs.

Speaker 1

现在能源行业创造的就业岗位比以往任何时候都多。

Right now, the energy sector, more jobs than ever.

Speaker 1

芯片行业,就业岗位比以往任何时候都多。

The chip sector, more jobs than ever.

Speaker 1

基础设施领域,就业岗位也创了新高。

Infrastructure layer, more jobs than ever.

Speaker 1

从土地、电力、建筑到金融,方方面面都在增加岗位。

Everything from land, power, shell, finances.

Speaker 1

人工智能模型层,就业岗位比以往任何时候都多。

AI model layer, more jobs than ever.

Speaker 1

去年我们刚投入了一千亿美元到上层领域,就业岗位也比以往任何时候都多。

And we just said $100,000,000,000 last year went into the upper layer, more jobs than ever.

Speaker 1

我们现在创造的就业岗位太多了。

We're creating so many more jobs.

Speaker 1

有人可能会问,那传统岗位怎么办?

Now, somebody might say, well, what about the traditional jobs?

Speaker 1

我来给你举个例子。

So, let me give you the example.

Speaker 1

每个人的工作和具体任务都是相关的,但并不等同。

You know that everybody's job and their task is related not the same.

Speaker 1

工作本身和你在这个岗位上做的具体事,是有关联的,但不是一回事。

A job and the task you do in the job is related not the same.

Speaker 1

比如我的工作是当首席执行官,带领公司前进。

So for example, my job is to be the CEO, to lead the company.

Speaker 1

我大部分时间,今天也是,主要都在打字和沟通。

Most of the time, and I spent a lot of it today, most of my time my task is typing and talking.

Speaker 1

所以你可以说,首席执行官的工作就是打字和沟通。

And so you could say CEO equals typing and talking.

Speaker 1

这两件事,AI都能做得比人强得多。

Both of them, AI does in a superhuman way.

Speaker 1

但我现在比以往任何时候都更忙。

And I'm busier than ever.

Speaker 1

这例子听起来挺有趣,但让我给你一个更深刻的例子,你可以举一反三。

Of course, that's a really cute example, but let me give you a deep example and you can now apply it.

Speaker 1

十年前,甚至更早一点,一位世界顶尖的计算机科学家曾提醒大家注意人工智能的力量。

So ten years ago, slightly more than that, one of the world's leading computer scientists wanted to warn everybody about the power of AI.

Speaker 1

他说——康斯坦丁可能知道他是谁——人工智能最先会取代并淘汰的职业就是放射科,他建议谁也别进这个行当,因为这行迟早会被彻底淘汰。

And so he said, and Konstantine probably knows who it is, he said, the first job that AI will destroy and eliminate, and I advise nobody goes into this field because this field will be wiped out is radiology.

Speaker 1

早在十二年前,计算机视觉就已经超越了人类水平。

Computer vision is superhuman already twelve years ago.

Speaker 1

计算机视觉。

Computer vision.

Speaker 1

电脑能识别图像、发现异常,能力远超人类,从不疲倦,也从不漏掉任何细节。

A computer can recognize images, detect anomalies with superhuman capability, never gets tired, never misses a detail.

Speaker 1

十二年前它就已经能做到这些,当时他就预测,放射科因此会被彻底取代。

Twelve years ago it was able to do that and he predicted as a result of that, is going to be wiped out.

Speaker 1

结果证明,他完全说对了。

Well he was absolutely right.

Speaker 1

放射科确实被计算机视觉彻底改变了。

Radiology was completely penetrated by computer vision.

Speaker 1

计算机视觉已经渗透到所有类型的放射科检查和整个放射科工作流程中,如今每一位放射科医生都依赖计算机视觉来辅助工作。

Computer vision proliferated through every single form of radiology and every radiology stack and every radiologist today is augmented by computer vision.

Speaker 1

但有趣的是,放射科的需求反而增加了。

However, the interesting thing is this, radiology demand went up.

Speaker 1

全球放射科医生的数量也在上升。

The number of radiologists in the world went up.

Speaker 1

这是为什么呢?

Why?

Speaker 1

大家来猜一猜。

Audience participation please.

Speaker 1

为什么?

Why?

Speaker 1

我听到一些说法,全都是对的。

I heard some of the things, it's all true.

Speaker 1

其实,放射科医生花大量时间在分析影像上。

It turns out, radiology spends a lot of time studying scans.

Speaker 1

但放射科和放射科医生的职责,是和医生合作诊断疾病。

But the purpose of the radiology, the purpose of the radiologist, is to work with doctors to diagnose disease.

Speaker 1

和医生合作诊断疾病。

To work with doctors to diagnose disease.

Speaker 1

因为现在自动化了,他们的工作效率更高了。

And because it's now automated, they are more productive.

Speaker 1

于是出现了两个结果。

So two things happen.

Speaker 1

住院的病人变多了。

More patients are admitted into the hospital.

Speaker 1

做的影像检查也更多了。

They do more scans.

Speaker 1

放射科的收益变高了。

The radiology department became more profitable.

Speaker 1

他们发现收益提升了,病人也增多了,就多招了放射科医生,好接更多病人,赚更多钱,也更好地照顾更多人。

When they realized they were more profitable and they were admitting more patients, they hired more radiologists so that they could admit more patients, so that they could make more money, take care of more people.

Speaker 1

因为事实上,有大量患者正在受苦,等着住院治疗。

Because as it turns out, there are a lot of people who are suffering and they're waiting to get into the hospital.

Speaker 1

所以现在,咱们暂且假设一下,你觉得计算机科学家说放射科医生要完蛋了,这话靠谱吗?

So now, let's pretend for a second, do you appreciate the computer scientists tell you it's going to be the end of the world for radiologists?

Speaker 1

我的意思是,我们得对自己的发明负责,因为一不小心就可能造成伤害。

My point is, we have to be responsible about what we make up because we could have done harm.

Speaker 1

结果发现,自从他那番话传开之后,想当放射科医生的人越来越少,整个行业的人数开始下滑。

And it turns out, the number of people who want to be radiologists after his speech because it permeated through everything, the number of radiologists started to decline.

Speaker 1

但我们其实更需要更多的放射科医生。

But we need more radiologists.

Speaker 1

最近有人声称,90%的软件编码工作都会被取代,所以根本不需要软件工程师了。

Now somebody recently said 90% of software coding will be gone, and therefore we don't need software engineers.

Speaker 1

可事实上,我们现在的软件工程师招聘规模比以往任何时候都大。

Meanwhile, we're hiring more software engineers than ever.

Speaker 1

原因很简单:软件工程师的职责是解决问题,甚至主动发现新的问题来解决。

The reason for that is because a software engineer's job is to solve problems and dream up problems to solve.

Speaker 1

要创新。

Innovate.

Speaker 1

我从没招过一个人,然后跟他说:嘿,你是个软件工程师,听好了。

I never hired somebody and said, hey guess what, you're a software engineer, listen.

Speaker 1

给你个键盘,看看你每秒能打多少个字。

Here's a keyboard, show me how many words a second you can type.

Speaker 1

打字不是软件工程师的工作。

Typing is not the job of a software engineer.

Speaker 1

写代码也不是他们的本职。

Coding is not their job.

Speaker 1

解决问题才是他们的任务。

Solving problems is their job.

Speaker 1

所以我刚给了你两个例子。

And so I just gave you two examples.

Speaker 1

任务和目的的区别。

Task versus purpose.

Speaker 1

这样说得通吗?

Does that make sense?

Speaker 1

其实这种例子到处都是。

It turns out this example happens all over the place.

Speaker 1

但我们对计算机科学的理解太片面了,总觉得他们会说‘50%的工作会消失’这种话。

But because we have such a contrived, such a naive understanding that computer scientists could say things like 50% of the jobs will be gone.

Speaker 1

写代码根本不是重点。

Software coding is completely irrelevant.

Speaker 1

有人觉得放射科会被淘汰,是因为只盯着具体任务,忘了这份工作的真正目的。

Radiology is going be wiped out because we think about it from the task perspective, we forgot the purpose of the job.

Speaker 1

以前有放射科医生,也有工作站。

There were radiologists before, there were workstations.

Speaker 1

未来有了AI,依然会有放射科医生。

There are going to be radiologists after AI.

Speaker 1

在有软件开发之前,就已经有工程师了。

There engineers before software coding.

Speaker 1

我向你保证。

I promise you that.

Speaker 1

以后还是会需要工程师的。

There will be engineers after.

Speaker 1

这你明白吗?

Does that make sense?

Speaker 1

所以,这才是看待工作的正确方式。

And so, that's the way to think about jobs.

Speaker 1

我现在讲了两点。

And I've now covered two things.

Speaker 1

第一,如果你的国家不投资人工智能,就会错失大量新的就业机会。

One, if your country is not investing in AI, there's a massive boom of jobs that you're missing out on.

Speaker 1

如果你的国家或公司不投资人工智能,就会错过提升民众能力的契机。

If your country or your company is not investing in AI, there's a level of elevation of your people that you're missing out on.

Speaker 1

人工智能并不会消灭工作。

AI is not going to eliminate jobs.

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AI会让你的工作更上一层楼。

AI is going to elevate your job.

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如果我现在是个水管工,通常我拿到的是一张任务单或者设计图。

If I were a plumber today, largely I get a job task sheet or a schematic.

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但要是明天我还是个水管工,我十有八九还得兼做设计师。

However, if I'm a plumber tomorrow, it is very likely I'm a designer as well.

Speaker 1

这你明白吧?

Does that make sense?

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因为我们都清楚,要是我是个木匠,完全可以用AI生成超棒的厨房设计图。

Because you and I both know that we could just use AI to generate these incredible designs of a kitchen, if I'm a carpenter.

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如果我是个家具销售,那我肯定得转型成室内设计师。

If I were a salesperson of furniture, I'm going be an interior designer for sure.

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所以我的技能就升级了。

And so I've elevated my craft.

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从单纯卖家具的人,变成了能帮你规划家有多美的人。

Went from somebody who sells furniture to somebody who could advise you on how beautiful your home could be.

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我以前就是一个木匠。

I went from somebody who's a carpenter.

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你居然还指望我来只是把木头拼一拼,现在却要我当你的家居设计师?

You expecting me to come and just put some wood together and now I'm your home designer.

Speaker 1

我的手艺升级了。

I've elevated my craft.

Speaker 1

我举了这么多例子,但核心就这一点。

I've given you so many examples but that's my point.

Speaker 1

我觉得人们对人工智能的误解太深了。

I think the narrative about AI is absolutely wrong.

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有人故意制造恐慌,好让自己从中获利。

And the goal is to scare everybody out of it so that some people could benefit from it.

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但你知道吗,人工智能是我职业生涯中消除技术鸿沟最强有力的工具。

But AI, as you know, is the greatest force for eliminating the technology divide in my entire career.

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我干了四十多年计算机设计,一辈子都在这行。这几十年里,我们做的技术越来越复杂,能编程的人在总人口中的比例却越来越低。

I spent forty some odd years, my entire life has been in computer design, I spent forty some odd years and this entire time the technology we created became more and more and more and more complex and the number of people who could program these computers as a percentage of population declined.

Speaker 1

这屋里有谁懂C++?得了吧,别闹了。

Who in this room knows C plus plus Come on, cut it out you weirdos.

Speaker 1

这一排的人全是初创公司的。

This row is just a startup company.

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好,这一排,咱们看看,只占2%。

Okay, and so this row, okay, we're looking at 2%.

Speaker 1

明白吗?

Okay?

Speaker 1

这地方真够奇怪的。

2% and this is a very strange room.

Speaker 1

这地方真够奇怪的。

This is a very strange room.

Speaker 1

全社会懂C++的只有2%,那懂人类语言的有多少?

And so 2% of society knows C plus plus How many people know human?

Speaker 1

嗯,超过2%了。

Okay, more than 2%.

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所以现在每个人都能编程了,但过去只有2%的人会。

And so can everybody program a computer and yet in the past only 2% can.

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我们已经弥合了技术鸿沟。

We have closed the technology divide.

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我们必须让每个人都跟上步伐。

We've got to bring everybody with us.

Speaker 1

这样讲清楚了吗?

Does that make sense?

Speaker 1

好了,不管怎样,就说这么多。

Okay, anyways that's it.

Speaker 1

周五晚上说这么严肃的话题,有点过头了。

On a Friday night that's too serious.

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这观点实在太乐观了,我同意。

That that that is extremely optimistic, and I agree.

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能听到一位比世界上任何人都更贴近实际构建核心技术的人这么说,真是太好了。

And it's great to hear from someone who is closer to actual building of the actual technology that powers everything than anyone else in the world.

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所以,詹森,你提到一个未来,我们从过去一直依赖的检索模式,转向生成模式——一切都会个性化,知识会为每个人量身定制,就像能源革命和通信革命一样,现在我们正迎来智能革命。

So Jensen, you talked about a future where we move from retrieval, this paradigm that we've had our entire lives in, to generation where everything is customized, knowledge is customized for the individual, a world where we have the generation of intelligence paralleling from the energy to the telecommunications revolution to now the intelligence revolution.

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你还谈到计算机能理解的语言,不只是英语或德语,甚至包括蛋白质语言。

You talked about these languages that the computer can speak, not just English or German, but even protein.

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你提到了五个层次的参与机会,

You talked about five layers of participation,

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在座的每个人,还有所有正在收听的人,都有充分的机会参与到这场变革中。

abundant opportunity to participate in this revolution for everyone in this room and everyone listening.

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你还说,这场变革将带来实实在在的影响,让人们不再只是完成任务,而是开始构想问题和解决方案,甚至过上更有意义的人生,从木匠变成建筑师。

And you talked about how this transformation is gonna be something that has real consequences, real consequences that allow people to move from just doing the task to dreaming the problems and the solutions, maybe even a life of purpose and a life where we move from carpenters to architects.

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谢谢你,詹森。

Thank you, Jensen.

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请大家和我一起感谢詹森·黄,正是他让这一切成为可能。

Please join me in thanking Jensen Huang, the man who made the sale happen.

Speaker 0

谢谢。

Thank you.

Speaker 0

非常感谢。

Thank you so much.

Speaker 1

你们都太棒了。

You're all awesome.

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大家都被深深认可。

You're all appreciated.

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谢谢。

Thank you.

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再见。

Bye.

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