第三集：凯文·杜兰特——关于GOAT、火箭队、2019年猛龙队夺冠、大麻等

你和密尔沃基有什么关系？

What you got to do with Milwaukee?

他穿着一件希腊怪人球衣在那里

He's there with a Greek freak jersey on

里面什么都没穿。

with no shirt underneath it.

没穿衬衫。

No shirt.

对，就是这样。

That, that, Yeah.

那部分挺酷的。

That part was cool.

但你觉得呢？

But what do you think?

你觉得，显然我知道其他家伙怎么想吗？

Do you think that obviously I know what the rest of the guys think?

因为我跟德雷蒙德聊过这件事。

Cause I talked to Draymond about it.

我跟一些球员谈过，克莱甚至说过，你们觉得如果你们全健康的话，本来能赢我们的吗？

I talked to certain guys, Klay even said it after you think y'all would've beat us if you was healthy, fully healthy?

我不喜欢，我真的不喜欢假设性的问题。

Like I don't like, I don't like hypotheticals for real.

你明白我的意思吗？

You know what I'm saying?

我喜欢活在现实中，但我觉得我们跟你们的 matchups 完全匹配。

I like to live in reality on it is one, but I feel like we matched up with y'all perfectly.

那时候我们打出了自己的篮球风格。

And we were playing our brand of basketball at that point.

我觉得在整个常规赛，尤其是第三年，我们经常在训练中跳过一些步骤。

I feel like throughout the regular season, that last, that third year, there's plenty of times where we just, we just skip steps throughout practice.

我们当时太强了。

Like we were so good.

我们根本不需要拼命训练。

Like we ain't had to practice hard.

是的。

Yeah.

这太不公平了。

That shit wasn't fair.

我们就是太强了。

We were just so good.

这太不公平了。

That shit wasn't fair.

就是这么厉害，你懂我的意思吗？

Was so You know what I'm saying?

然后我受伤了，进入季后赛时，我们本该横扫快船，却打了六场。

And then when I got hurt, I mean going into the playoffs, we had a went six with the Clippers when we was supposed to sweep there.

我们就是心理上没在状态。

Like we were just mentally not in it.

然后我受伤了，之后整个团队就开始找到状态了。

Then I get hurt and then everything started clicking for the rest of the team.

但我觉得在那期间，我打出了职业生涯最佳的表现。

But I felt like in the midst of that, I was playing my best ball.

是的。

Yeah.

不，你们当时状态正热。

No, y'all was rolling.

第一轮，有些是和休斯顿的系列赛。

First round, some of that Houston series.

但我觉得作为一支球队，我们当时只是在机械地走流程。

But I felt like as a team, we was just like going through the motions a little bit.

是的。

Yeah.

一路打进了总决赛。

To the finals.

但当我受伤后，他们横扫了西部的波特兰。

But then once I got hurt, they went, they swept Portland in the west conference

总决赛。

finals.

太疯狂了。

Was crazy.

斯塔布场均大约36分。

Stab averaged about 36.

德拉蒙德·格林在拿三双。

Draymond was getting triple doubles.

我想，好吧，我们现在准备好了。

I'm like, all right, we ready now.

但我感觉很糟糕，我们的阵容搭配得很好。

But so I felt like shit, we matched up well.

我觉得克莱、安德烈、卡加德、我、克莱、安德烈可以轮换防守卡哇伊。

I felt like Clay, Andre, Kagard, me, Clay, Andre can switch, take turns on Kawhi.

我们可以派个体型更大的球员去防凯尔，更大的体型来防你。

We can put a bigger body on Kyle, bigger body on you.

我觉得当我加入阵容后，我们就能施加更多压力，整体变得更强壮。

I think I just, when I, you add me to the lineup, we just push, we just a bigger team.

当然。

For sure.

而且速度更快，投篮也更好。

And a faster team and we shoot better.

所以我觉得，我们有了几个能防守卡哇伊的球员，你和卡尔，制造了更多麻烦。

So it was like, I felt like we created more problems with having a few guys that can guard Kawhi, you and Cal.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得那是你在那里的第三年。

I think that was, that was the third, that was your third year there.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

所以我总是跟别人说，我觉得那轮系列赛会打满七场。

So I, I always tell people, I think that it would have went seven.

显然我仍然觉得我们会赢，因为常规赛时双方 matchups 很好，而且两队都全员健康。

Obviously I still feel like we would've won just because it was great matchups in the regular season, both teams fully staffed.

那时候，胜负难分。

It was like, it could go either way.

我就这么说。

That's what I say.

是的。

Yeah.

但你们没靠卡哇伊就揍了我们。

But y'all smacked us without Kawhi.

我们全员健康。

We fully healthy.

你们在金州赢了我们二十多分。

Y'all smacked us by 20 something in golden state.

你们还记得吗。

Y'all remember that.

我觉得这支球队。

I'm like this team.

是的。

Yeah.

我记得那场比赛。

I remember that.

我记得那场比赛。

I remember that.

还算可以吧。

Kinda all right.

是的。

Yeah.

他们装得挺像那么回事。

They fake decent.

是的。

Yeah.

我当时想，等等。

I'm like, hold on.

是的。

Yeah.

我们当时还不错，老兄。

We was all right, man.

那时我还没完全相信你们能打进总决赛，但我还是觉得，这是一支有能力挑战密尔沃基和费城的球队。

I didn't fully believe at that point that y'all would go to the finals, but I was still like, all right, that's a team that could challenge Milwaukee, Philly.

因为我感觉费城在纸面上是有的。

Because I felt Philly had on paper.

费城那支队伍实力很强。

Philly had a squad there.

那支队伍真是一支强队。

That team was a team.

确实是。

Was

一支强队。

a team.

是的。

Yeah.

那轮系列赛彻底改变了我的人生。

That series changed my fucking life.

那真是一支了不起的队伍，而密尔沃基整个赛季都被视为夺冠热门。

That, that was a hell of a team and shit Milwaukee was favorite all year.

我的意思是，我记得他们在TNT直播的主场比赛中狠狠击败了我们，你知道我说的是什么意思吧？

I mean, I remember they beat our ass and on TNT at home and we, you know what I'm saying?

我们重新开始规划。

We went back to the drawing board.

你必须想清楚，因为你知道最后会遇到谁。

You gotta figure it out because you know who you gonna meet at the end.

所以我们就想，好吧，这有点棘手。

So it was like, all right, it's a little chestnuts.

他们在主场输了两场。

They got ass two at home.

是的。

Yeah.

他们很强。

They was good.

对。

Yeah.

他们确实处于一个完全不同的层次。

They, they was, they was, they was on a whole tier for sure.

但我感觉，真正会给我们带来问题的是科怀和你们投篮的表现，丹尼·格林。

But I, but I felt like, I felt like what would give us some problems, obviously Kawhi and how y'all shot the ball Danny green.

你们给了这些家伙那么多空位投篮机会，马库斯也看到了，但不管怎样，尼克·纳什简直像个糟糕的科学家。

Y'all got these dudes open looks, Marcus saw and, but whatever, but how like Nick Nurse was like a bad scientist.

我觉得

I felt like

这会让我们失去节奏。

that would throw us off.

因为到了第三年，球队开始用更多花哨的防守方式来对付我们。

Because teams started to get more gimmicky on how they was guarding us in that third year.

他们开始采用顶锁防守。

They was top locking.

你得站出来啊，兄弟。

You got to step on bro.

这太不公平了，兄弟。

That shit wasn't fair bro.

就像这并不是

Like it wasn't

疯狂啊。

crazy man.

他们怎么

How they

是并试图

was And trying

我认为，我认为这个决定以及所有那些让人指责你的事情，其实有两方面。

I think, I think there's two parts to obviously the decision and all of that shit that people killed you for.

但我觉得，是的，我们希望你成为某种特定的样子。

But I think it was like, yeah, we want you to be a specific thing.

我们希望你在俄克拉荷马城坚持下去，但接着又说，老兄，这也不公平。

We want you to ride it out on OKC, but then it's like, all right, bro, this also is just not fair.

这太疯狂了。

Like it's crazy.

那，前两个

The What, first two

是什么因素促使你去那里呢？

what went into like, even just going over there?

你懂我的意思吧？

You know what I'm saying?

当你和其他可能对你感兴趣的球队对比时，你觉得怎么样？

When you match up with all the other teams that may have been interested what you

那就是一种每个人都能触球、每个人都会为更好的机会而传球的篮球风格。

It was just that brand of basketball where everybody touched the ball, everybody gave up shots to go find a better shot.

我们都想这样打球。

Like we all wanna play that way.

我觉得在俄克拉荷马城，我们有很多专才型球员。

I feel like in OKC, we had a lot of specialists.

我们有一些防守很强但自己很难得分、几乎不会投篮的球员。

We had dudes that played defense that really couldn't score on their own, really couldn't shoot the ball.

我们有个球员可能能投篮，但防守不太好。

We had a guy that probably can shoot, but can't really guard that well.

要让这种进攻体系运转起来，需要考虑很多因素。

So there's a lot that go into trying to make that offense work.

我们做得不错，但我看着金州勇士队，他们场均得分大概有120分。

And we did a solid job, but I'm looking at Golden State and they calling me and I'm like, average probably 120 a game

当然。

for sure.

绝对是的。

Hell yeah.

把你加进来之后

Adding you to the equation

当然。

for sure.

注意联防。

Worry about the zone.

每次我接到球或者对方卡住我，都会双人包夹。

Every time I catch the ball or top locking me, double teaming.

当然了。

For sure.

比赛开始了。

Game start.

我记得那个场地，好像是克利夫兰。

I'm like, I remember the joint, I think it was Cleveland.

你快攻下篮，有人冲到角落，你就直接冲下来扣篮了。

You came down the lane on the fast break and somebody ran to the corner and you just came down and dunked it.

这对我来说，正好体现了那支球队的特点。

That, that to me sums up like what that team was.

因为你快攻直冲中路，对方在一边防守，你又突然切到另一边，你让对方怎么办，兄弟？

Cause it's like you coming down the middle on the fast break, play in one corner, step in the other, what the fuck is you gonna do, man?

这说明了你在防守端必须多么聪明。

That just spoke to how, how smart you gotta be on the other end.

是的

Yeah.

我们那时候，整个赛季都经常这样，连上篮都不跑动。

We, that we, it was constantly stuff like that all season where we don't even run for layups.

只要有人冲到中间，我们就直接从一个角落传到另一个角落，然后有人跟在后面快下。

Whoever got in the middle, we just going straight corner to corner and we got somebody trailing and go downhill.

很多时候，对方投篮不中或者失误，我们就趁机拿到球。

And so many times it's like bad shot or turnover and get whatever we want.

你懂我的意思吧？

You know what I'm saying?

所以我觉得我们让比赛变得更有挑战性了，因为对手从第一回合就必须全力以赴，否则就会被彻底击溃。

So I felt like we made the game better because you had to come with it from the first possession of the game or you can get blown out.

对，没错。

Yeah, for sure.

而且我们经常在第三节打出高潮。

Like, and we went on third quarter runs.

那太疯狂了。

That was insane.

我们在第三节得了50分。

We had 50 points in the third quarter.

我想我之所以说那是你的第三年，是因为那一年，你知道的，关于合同、这行的商业运作，合同变得越来越难让球队保持完整。

I think the other thing I was thinking about was why I said it was your third year is because I think that year, you know, how the contract, the business of this shit, how the contracts work was like, it kept getting harder and harder to keep the team together.

所以人们可能没意识到，那支队伍的替补席其实有点薄弱，你懂我的意思吗？

So like people don't realize the end of that bench was a little light, you know what I'm saying?

就像第三年那样。

Like the third year.

其中一些球员是我的人，但我只是说，那和以前的年份不一样了。

And some of them guys is my guys, but I'm just saying it wasn't what it was in previous years.

所以当你倒下时，那支队伍并不是为你倒下而打造的。

So like when you go down, that team wasn't built for you to go down.

是的。

Yeah.

你明白我的意思吗？

You know what I'm saying?

因为如果是那样的话，他们本可以更好地承受住这种压力。

Because if it was, then they could have withstood it a little bit better.

那样的话，我们所有那些花哨的防守战术可能也不会有那么大的影响。

And then all our gimmicky defenses and all this shit probably wouldn't have had as big of an impact.

你懂我的意思吧？

You know what I mean?

所以，从球队建设的角度来看，我觉得那可能是最后一年了——我的意思是，你们在布鲁克林确实努力了，但那些球队根本不是为三巨头打造的。

So it was like the team building aspect kinda, I think that was probably the last year of well, I mean, y'all try to do it in Brooklyn, but again, those teams wasn't built for three stars.

你可以把三个明星放在一起，但只要有一个倒下，你就得靠到阵容末尾了，而那部分阵容有时候确实太单薄了。

You could put three stars together, but if one go down, then you get to the end of the roster and that should be a little light sometimes.

我觉得我明白，因为经常听到这种说法：当你有三个主要得分点，但替补席上连一两个能得分的人都没有时，这肯定行不通。

I feel like I, because I hear this a lot, when you got three scores like that and then the end of your bench, you don't have at least a couple scores, like your starters, it won't work.

比如你就说，好吧，我们有三个主要得分点。

Like if you just say, all right, we got three scores.

我们需要在防守端补充一些专家型球员，以及能接球投篮的球员。

We need to fill a team out with specialists on defense and guys that catch and shoot.

我觉得，通常情况下，当首发阵容已经形成了以得分为主、高效进攻、创造优势的风格时，不应该这样组建球队。

I'm like, that's not usually the way to fill the team when it's like, we got an identity in the starting unit of guys that just go get baskets, go score efficiently, create advantages.

然后你再看替补席，却找不到同样类型的球员。

And then you go see a bench, you don't got the same type of guys.

我不是说要完全一样，但至少不应该有这么大的差距，或者

I'm not, I'm, I'm not saying the same level, at least a drop off or

是的，完全没有。

yeah, none

那种水平的球员。

of that.

能为替补阵容得分的球员。

Level of guys that

在第二阵容中能得分的球员。

can get baskets in the second unit.

所以，你知道你在说什么吗？

So, you know what saying?

就像我们以前没怎么组建过那样的球队。

Like we didn't build a lot of those teams didn't build like that.

然后你让那些不习惯这种持球使用方式的球员上场。

And then you put guys who not used to that type of usage on the ball.

是的。

Yeah.

然后这就成了

And then it's

但如果你仔细想想任何一支球队，你明白我的意思吗？

But if whole you think about any team though, you know what I'm saying?

要取代你，简直就像，你懂我的意思吗？

To replace you is fucking like, you know what I'm saying?

但你仍然可以找到一个能拿12到15分的人。

But you still can get somebody that can go get you 12 or 15 points.

但我们其实不需要那样，直到我们真的需要。

But we don't need that though until we do.

我问你个问题，因为你人在布鲁克林，你的球员迈克·詹姆斯，简直是完美人选，但结果没成功。

Let me ask you this because you in Brooklyn, your man, Mike James, perfect guy, but it didn't work out.

但本该如此的。

It should have though.

他本该留下迈克·詹姆斯的。

He should have kept Mike James.

我知道，但我们常规赛根本不需要他那样做。

I know, but we don't need him to do that in a regular season.

我们不到需要的时候，就不需要那样。

We don't need it till we need it.

你知道吗

You know what

即使在他来之后，他在季后赛打得也很稳，即使凯里缺席了，詹姆斯也顶上了。

I'm Even in the, he came, he plays solid in the playoffs, even with Kyrie because James went out.

他是个得分手。

He's a bucket.

该给詹姆斯点个赞，

Fucking James, like shout out to

我们需要一个能控球的人

need somebody to handle the ball

能不失误，还能为队友创造机会

and not turn it over and And create for

他仍然能防守多个位置。

he can still guard up.

他仍然能投三分球。

He can still shoot the three.

我们需要更多这样的球员。

Like we needed more of those guys.

就像我们看到的，当凯和詹姆斯缺席时，还有我整个赛季缺席时，那些家伙都挺身而出了。

Like we seen it when Kai and James went out, when I went out throughout the season, those dudes stepped up.

布鲁斯·布朗上场后，把他的表现提升了。

Bruce Brown, he came in, he turned his game up.

是的。

Yeah.

他打得非常出色。

He was balling.

他必须更多地扮演

He had to become more of a

持球者。

on ball.

但

But

关键是，你需要更多能在进攻端独立作战的球员。

point is you need more guys that can fend for themselves on the offensive side of the ball.

你仍然需要防守到位，做好角色球员该做的事。

You still gotta guard up and do the role player stuff.

但在做角色球员事情的同时，你仍然需要有一种明确的信念，比如：好，现在我要去拿一分。

But in the midst of doing the role player stuff, you still gotta have an identity like, all right, now I'm gonna go get one.

是的。

Yeah.

得开始主动去争取了。

Gotta start getting

肯定要拿一分。

one for sure.

你知道吗？

Know what

我说得明白吗？

I'm saying?

我觉得当你进入联盟后，他们总会把你框定为一个角色球员，有时候你就忘了发挥自己的个人能力，而你需要

And I think when you get to the league that, that they put you in this box of like being a road guy, sometimes you forget about your individual game and you gonna need

有时候得靠自己。

it some time.

太晚了。

It's too late.

你根本用不上它。

You don't use it.

你就会失去它。

You lose it.

你失去的时候已经太晚了。

You lose too late.

说到这个，我听到你说过，那是啥来着？

Speaking of that, I heard you say on, what was that?

史蒂夫·纳什或者布莱恩他们那些人，说已经没有小个子控卫了。

Steve Nash or Brian and them shit that there was no more small guards.

你这话是什么意思？

What'd you mean by that?

你看，我说过，我解释过了。

See, I said, said, I clarified this.

我说了，你得有人能去抢篮板，还能防守

I said, you gotta be somebody go get you a basket and be able to guard

这部分

that part

并在首发阵容中守住自己的位置。

and hold your own guard in the first unit.

我说了，你可以在联盟打球。

I said, you can play in the league.

你可能不是联盟的首发球员。

You might not be a starter in the league.

对。

Right.

安排控卫。

Set up guards.

如果你只是沿着球场跑，不创造优势，不投篮得分，只是上来想传个球。

If you just coming down the court and not creating no advantages, not knocking down no shots, just coming up, trying to make a pass.

我现在在联盟里已经看不到这种现象了

I don't see it no more in

在联盟里，

the league,

你根本不算什么。

You ain't no shit.

你至少得能突入内线，打挡拆，然后投进三分球。

Like you gotta do, you gotta at least get downhill, come down for pick and roll and knock down a deep three.

当然了。

For sure.

我不是说你完全不能打，但现在你至少得自己创造得分机会。

Like, I'm not saying you can't play at all, but you gotta go get your basket out here nowadays.

是的，没错。

Yeah, for sure.

你不能光在这里瞎晃悠

You can't just be out here trying

你得成为一个威胁。

to You gotta a threat.

要成为威胁。

Be a threat.

你正要

You coming

进入联盟就像我们说的那些年轻球员，比如VJ，你知道，你一进联盟，就必须尽快产生直接影响。

in league just like we talking about the young fellow like VJ, you know, you come in the league, you gotta be a direct impact ASAP.

尽快。

ASAP.

如果你持球，就不能只是从掩护后跑出，随便传球然后去打第二轮进攻，找中锋，再跑到底角。

If you're on ball, can't just be coming off a pick and roll or just throw it just so you can go to the, to the, to the second set and go to the big and then run to the corner.

确保我们录下这段，因为这家伙的话很有分量。

Make sure we run this part because this guy's voice carries weight.

所以当他说到不再需要小个子后卫时，他就是在彻底否定联盟里所有的小个子后卫。

So when he says no more small guards, he just shit on all the small guards in the league.

我想确保

I wanna make sure

我们这些小个子后卫还是会把这当回事。

we still the small guards is gonna take that personal.

这种无位置篮球全是扯淡，那些家伙既不会投篮，也不会打战术、接球进入进攻。

All this positionless basketball shit and motherfuckers can't shoot and motherfuckers can't run a set and get the ball, get you into your offense.

比赛中完全没有思考。

There's no thought to the game.

完全没有节奏变化。

There's no change of pace.

完全没有战术布置。

There's no setup.

从教练到球场之间根本没有配合来给KD送球。

There's no transition between the coach and the floor to get KD the ball.

因为我不在乎你有多厉害。

Cause I don't give a fuck how good you is.

你仍然需要有人给你传球。

You still need somebody to get you the ball.

是的。

Yeah.

但我不需要你给我传球。

But I don't need you to get me the ball.

你传给我当然很好，但我更需要你积极进攻，这样能为我拉开防守空间。

I, it's cool when you, when you do, but I need you to go be aggressive so you can loosen up the rest of this defense for me though.

因为我完全可以自己单打得分。

Because I can go get one on my own.

我很喜欢接球投篮，但我也很喜欢有人助攻我。

I would love, but I also love when I get assisted at

篮球。

basketball.

对。

Yeah.

但我的职责就是让你保持如此出色。

But it's my job to put still as great as you are.

我的职责依然是把你安排在最能发挥优势的位置，因为你什么都能做。

It's still my job to put you in the places that you are still, that gives our team the best advantage because you can do everything.

没错。

And exactly.

作为球员，我的任务是帮助你准备好接球投篮。

And me as a player, my job is to assist you be ready to catch and shoot.

当你搞定一个人后，我就在那儿等着接球投篮。

You, when you done cooking somebody, I'm there to catch a shoot.

当你想自己突破得分时，我会拉开空间。

When you wanna go get you a bucket, I'm spaced out.

当然。

For sure.

当你需要掩护时，我会给你设掩护，以此创造优势。

When you need a screen and I'm gonna set a screen for you and I'm gonna create advantage that way too.

我需要我的控球后卫去得分。

I need my point guards to get a bucket.

我刚进联盟时和拉塞尔·威斯布鲁克一起打球。

Came into the league with Russell Westbrook.

后来我去了斯蒂芬。

I went to Steph.

然后我去了凯里·欧文。

Then I went to Kyrie James.

去得分。

Get buckets.

他们传球然后得分。

They passed and got buckets.

是的。

Yeah.

没错。

That's correct.

这让其他所有人都变得更好。

And which made everybody else better.

你明白我的意思吗？

You know what I'm saying?

当你看到那些不会创造优势、也不愿意积极进攻的控球后卫时，我就想，这只会让我的生活更艰难，因为现在我们根本不需要防你。

It's like, then when you come, when you see point guards who don't create an advantage or don't look to be aggressive, I'm just like, well, that's just making my life harder because now we don't have to guard you.

你现在感觉不到自己是个威胁。

You don't feel like you a threat now.

他们只会说，好吧，我们可以把这份资源用在我身上。

They just gonna say, well, we can just use that resource to help me.

所以我觉得，作为控球后卫，我希望控球后卫们都更具有攻击性。

So I'm like, as a point guard, I want point guards to be aggressive.

而NBA之所以这么说，是因为现在每个后卫都是这样打球的。

And the NBA is saying that because that's how every, every guard is playing at this point.

当然没错。

No, for sure.

他们直接告诉我，别搞什么组织核心那一套。

They told me straight up no floor general shit.

我记得那事儿，就像昨天刚发生一样。

I remember that shit like it was yesterday.

我觉得他们疯了。

Thought they was crazy.

但那就是

But that's

所以现在他们得养好身体，因为你从来都没跟过我这样的家伙打球，兄弟。

why now they need to get healthy because you never play with a nigga like me, bro.

而且我两种都能做。

And I can do both.

每场比赛我都坐在那里，像个娘们儿一样。

Every game I'm sitting there, like, I'm just a bitch.

我两种都能做。

I can do both.

我能做到你所说的每一件事，比如保持侵略性并出手投篮，但现在比赛中还缺失了另一个重要的方面。

I can do everything you saying in terms of being aggressive and getting my shot, but it's still a whole another aspect to the game that is lost right now.

虽然我们确实在持球端制造了动态威胁，但到了那个阶段，简直就像街头半场对抗。

Whereas like, yeah, we put in dynamic threats on the ball, but it's like, at that point it's damn near pickup.

当比赛节奏慢下来时，就需要更多的战术结构来支撑。

And when the game slowed down, it take a little bit more structure to it.

你明白我的意思吗？

You know what I'm saying?

甚至只是去适应比赛的起伏——知道什么时候该给队友传球，如何利用防守漏洞，包括在弱侧也要如此，因为对方包夹你时，第一次传球不一定是投篮机会。

To even just to ride the ebbs and flows of the game of like knowing when a guy need a shot, knowing how to take advantage of the defense, like on the second side too, because just because they doubling you, that first pass, always a shot.

从那个位置你仍然需要再做出一个配合。

Still need another play out of that.

那可能不是投篮，但可能是突破下顺，创造另一个进攻机会。

It might not be a shot, but it might be to get downhill make another play.

所以我会说，更像一个组织者，但我觉得你已经经历过两种极端了。

So I would say more like just a playmaker, but I think you've had both extremes.

我觉得你之前有过非常动态的持球威胁。

I think you've had super dynamic on ball threats.

我也见过一些打控卫位置却没什么威胁的球员，而我觉得自己处于两者之间。

And I think you've had kind of guys that are not a threat playing at the, at the guard And I feel like I'm somewhere in between.

所以我听到那个说法时笑了，因为网络上把它曲解成了别的意思。

So I did, I laughed at that because of what the internet took it out to be.

挺搞笑的。

Was funny.

而更搞笑的是，你现在带着一个矮个控卫来到了休斯顿。

And then it was even funnier that you coming to Houston now with a small guard.

当我这么说的时候

When I said that

我上推特一看，大家都说：他刚说脏话骂弗雷德了。

I look on Twitter, everybody was like, well, he just said fuck Fred.

是的。

Yeah.

弗雷德。

Fred.

我心想，天啊。

I'm like, damn.

我心想，把我放在这种反向夸奖里。

I'm like, to put me on the back back hand compliment.

我心想，是的，我就想，

I'm like, yeah, I'm like,

我说那话的时候，心想：好吧，弗雷德，你既要让他防外线，又要让他在别人没想到他会防的位置上防守，但同时你还能得分。

when I said it, I'm thinking like, all right, Fred just give me a little bit of both where he going guard up too at that People not expecting him to guard, but you gonna guard it up too, but you can get a bucket.

当然。

For sure.

这正是我的全部意思。

That was my whole thing.

你能得分吗？

Can you score?

而且就像，是的，他可以冲出来

And it's like, yeah, like he can come

从挡拆后进攻。

off a pick and roll.

对。

Yeah.

他能单打。

He got ISO.

对。

Yeah.

中距离三分。

Midi three.

在关键时候。

When it matters.

关键时刻就得能做这些事。

Gotta be able to do all that shit when it matters.

不过你一直做的一件事就是给他应有的认可和赞誉。

One thing you always did though was, was give him his, his, his props and his kudos.

当你说到他一定会在联盟中奠定地位时，你知道我说的是什么意思吧？

When you said that he gonna be cemented in the league, you know what I'm saying?

你是什么时候开始关注他的？

When did you feel, when would you started watching him?

就像他是那种人一样。

It's like, he one of them.

这太疯狂了。

It's crazy.

前几天我刚想到这个故事。

Was just thinking about this story the other day.

当我还在俄克拉荷马城的时候，总经理特洛伊·韦弗。

Like when I was at OKC, Troy Weaver, who's the GM.

是的。

Yeah.

我认识特洛伊。

I know Troy.

他是新奥尔良的助理总经理。

At assistant GM in New Orleans.

所以我和他经常讨论球员，评估球员，怎么看比赛。

So me and him, we just talking players, evaluating players, how to look at the game.

我们整个赛季都一直在交流。

We always just had conversations throughout the season.

我想我当时在聊观看你们比赛的事。

And I think I was talking about like watching y'all play.

我想我当时说的是，是不是罗布·贝克在打另一个

I think I was, was it Rob Baker playing the other

时候？

time?

是的。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

还有Clean，那个

And Clean, that

还挺

was pretty

那一年很不错。

good that year.

我当时在想，你觉得Rod和Clean Anthony怎么样？

And I was like, what you think about Rod and Clean Anthony one day?

他就说像那个弗雷德·范弗利特。

And he was just like that Fred Van Fleet.

我当时就想，他就像那个弗雷德·范弗利特，会成为球员的。

I was like, I was like, he's like that Fred Van Fleet gonna be a player.

我觉得，没见他的名字出现在选秀名单上。

I'm like, I don't see his name on like the draft board

或者什么都没有。

or nothing.

到处都找不到。

Nowhere to be found.

你这话是什么意思？

What you mean by that?

我最近没怎么听到关于弗雷德的消息。

I'm not hearing much about Fred.

我听到的是罗德和克莱·安东尼要参加选秀。

I'm hearing about Rod and Cle Anthony going to the draft.

我就想，好吧。

I'm like, all right.

我信任特洛伊。

I trust Troy.

他经常对很多球员做出评价。

He pretty much write on a lot of players.

我就想，好吧，我得重点关注一下弗雷德。

And I'm like, all right, let me lock in on Fred.

我心想，天哪，特洛伊，你这眼光真准，

I'm like, damn Troy, that's a great eye for you to

看

see

在大学里就能发现这一点。

that in college.

而且你周围并没有那么多喧嚣和炒作。

And you're not really having that hoopla around you.

就像他将来会成为这个联盟的控球后卫一样。

Like he gonna be a point guard in this league.

我就想，操，就是从那时起我才真正开始认真关注。

And I'm like, shit, that's when I started really locking in.

然后你说了点什么，我们当时在和你们打球。

And then you said something, we was playing y'all.

我觉得这可能是你新秀赛季或者第二年的时候。

I think it might've been your rookie year or your second year.

你对媒体说过类似的话，说 yeah，我通常都会割这些家伙的喉咙之类的。

You said something to the media like, yeah, I usually cut these niggas throats or something

就是这样。

like that.

我当时想，你这么说听起来挺对的。

I'm like You sound, that sound about right.

听起来确实没错。

That sounds about right.

他就像说，好吧，我就是会割他们喉咙之类的。

He's like, okay, I like cut they throat or something.

这人到底是谁啊？

Like who the fuck is this?

我当时想，这人是？

I'm like, is this?

我当时就想，这弗雷德·范弗利特怎么说话这么狂。

I'm like, this Fred Van Fleet talking like that.

这还是你刚开始打球之前，老兄。

This before you really start playing, bro.

你刚进入轮换阵容的时候，我觉得。

You just start getting into rotation, I think.

哦，这小子真够大胆的。

Oh, this nigga's bold.

让我看看。

Let me see

他到底在搞什么。

what he on.

而且是为了表明立场。

And to make a statement.

然后我就想，天啊，他真的非常认真对待自己说的话。

And then it was just like, damn, he really, really about what he talk about.

然后在总决赛中，他投进了他在总决赛中一直投中的那些球。

And then obviously in the finals, it hit the shots that he was hitting in the finals.

当然。

Sure.

他在总决赛中负责盯防。

He was guarding up in the finals.

斯蒂芬，你和斯蒂芬之间有种默契。

Steph, you and Steph had a thing.

是的，当然。

Yeah, for sure.

对。

Yeah.

我喜欢和斯蒂芬打球。

I love, I love playing Steph.

他总能激发出我最好的状态。

He's like, he bring the best out of me.

你明白我的意思吗？

You know what I'm saying?

这不只是他和欧文的事，欧文完全不同，但我觉得斯蒂芬就是那种会全力以赴的人。

It's not really him and Kyrie, Kyrie is different, way different, but I think Steph is one of those guys is like, they take the ultimate focus.

你明白我的意思吗？

You know what I'm saying?

就像凯伊只是在考验你的能力。

Like, Kai just gonna test your ability.

纯粹就是能力对能力。

Like it's just ability for ability.

到了某个阶段，我的髋部已经没法那样动了。

Like at a certain point, my hip ain't going that way.

你明白我的意思吗？

You know what I'm saying?

当你们叫我去布鲁克林打球时，他投进了那个球，我当时就想：老兄，这已经是我能做到的极限了。

Like when y'all called to play in Brooklyn, he hit the snatch It was like, bro, that's the best I could do bro.

那太差了。

That was shit.

我很庆幸我没摔倒。

I'm glad I didn't fall.

你懂我的意思吧？

You know what I'm saying?

我当时就想，天啊，整场比赛我都给了他38分。

I'm like, damn, whole time I gave his ass 38.

我就只想着这个。

That's all I'm thinking.

你那场比赛拿了38分？

You had 38 that game?

别开玩笑了，老兄。

Come on man.

自己去查一下。

Look it up.

你知道吗，我记得。

You know, I remember.

我们当时

We was

打得可真激烈。

bumping that game.

是的。

Yeah.

打得可真激烈

Was bumping

那场比赛。

that game.

那是一场精彩的比赛。

Was a great game.

他们让我在半场线正上方的罚球区顶端盯防对方。

They put me on the island at the top of the key from half court.

那家伙就像是

That guy was like,

你知道

you know

我是什么

what I'm I

我说，凯尔，

said, Kyle,

谁防你？

who guarded

你？

you?

是的。

Yeah.

我说，哦对，他们不会在这里帮忙的。

I said, Oh yeah, they not gonna help right here.

你先说。

Go ahead.

你知道你

Know what I'm You're

为我打球。

playing for me.

是的。

Yeah.

那就像半场一对一，太疯狂了。

It was like a one on one from half court, which was crazy.

他就是那种人，和别人不一样，但斯蒂芬，我防守他的所有比赛里，我都能用一只手数出来，有多少次我看错了方向，然后他还继续得分，你知道我说的意思吧？

He is this he's different, but Steph is like a, probably all the games I guarded him, I can count on my fingers how many times I like looked the wrong way and then he keep You know what I'm saying?

但问题是，我看其他球员都不会这样，那种专注力有多强。

But it's like, I watch other guys not do that, like the focus that it takes.

所以他确实让我发挥出了最好的状态。

So he definitely bring the best out of me.

但那个97年的热门采访，那玩意儿在街区里卖成了白金唱片。

But the hot '97 interview, that shit went platinum in the hood.

你当时在97年热门采访里提到我，就是那个让整个城市都沸腾的时刻。

You, when you stamped me on, on hot '97, that was the one that went like, shit turned the whole city up.

没错，K给我兄弟盖章了。

Like yeah, K stamp my dog.

所以那就是他

So that's what he's

在说：是的。

speaking Yeah.

跟他们说说咱们来自哪儿，兄弟，根本没人像我们这么厉害。

To them like where we from bro, like ain't nobody that made huge.

你们来自哪个城市？

What city y'all from?

伊利诺伊州的罗克福德。

Rockford, Illinois.

那离芝加哥有多远？

And how far is that from Chicago?

大概一小时到一个半小时。

Like an hour, hour and a half.

那里有人打进过联盟或者顶级大学联赛吗？

And it's like anybody made it like to the league or high D one from there?

没有。

Nope.

我觉得只有一个人根本不在乎这个镇子。

I would say one person that don't even fuck with the town.

那就是卡洛斯·波普，前NFL线卫，曾效力于充电者队。

That's Carlos Pope, NFL linebacker played for the chargers.

他高中时在家乡读书，但跟这个地方早就没什么联系了。

He went to high school back home, but he ain't really still got like no relevancy to the crib.

所以他肯定不算。

So he definitely by No,

没有。

no.

我们有一些来自社区大学的家伙，有些很有天赋，本来可以成功的，但就是没人成器。

We had some guys, Juco, we had some talented guys, like guys that could have made it, but it wasn't nobody.

我们小时候，根本没有一个人像这样，比如去了密歇根州立大学。

We, when we was growing up, we didn't have one guy that's like, all right, he had Michigan state.

我们要照着他那样做。

We're gonna do what he do.

或者，哦，他进了联盟。

Or, oh, he made a league.

我们要跟着他的脚步走，加入他的AAU球队。

Like we gonna follow in his footsteps, play for his AAU team.

根本没有这种事。

It wasn't none of that.

告诉你吧，我现在是

Tell you what know I'm

当你所在的城市没有那样的参照点时，确实很难。

It's so hard when you don't got that point of reference in your city.

我们甚至没有...我们甚至都没去过，我们从未，我从未见过NBA球员。

Like we didn't even have a We didn't even go to, we never, I never met an NBA player.

我从未见过一个。

I never seen one.

我直到快上高中时才第一次去看比赛。

I never went to a game until I was damn near high school.

然后

And then

那么是什么让你下定决心，去他妈的，这就是我想做的事。

So what got you into saying like, fuck it, this is what I wanna do.

妈的。

Shit.

我们别无选择。

We ain't no choice.

我很高兴。

I'm glad.

你知道他们在说什么吗？

You know what saying?

嗯，有很多事情要做，但每天只想打篮球。

Well, a lot to, mean, but it's a lot to do, but wanting to on basketball every day.

这是一个艰难的决定。

That's a hard decision.

没什么别的选择。

It wasn't nothing

没别的事可做，兄弟。

else to do, bro.

我们那时候就是打篮球和橄榄球。

It was like, we did, I did basketball and football.

你懂我的意思吗？

You know what I'm saying?

就这样了。

That was it.

所以在此之前，就像我继父，我爸爸，他只是让我们训练。

And so leading up to, it was like my steppop, my dad, like he just, he made us train.

你懂我的意思吗？

You know what I'm saying?

就这样了。

So that was it.

然后，我们周围发生了太多事情，情况非常清楚。

And then it was like so much shit going on around us that it was like, it's very clear.

你可以做这个，也可以做那个。

You could do this or you could do that.

你懂我的意思吗？

You know what I'm saying?

我小时候瞎玩的时候，我老爸被打了。

And my pops got smoked when I was a kid fucking around.

你懂我的意思吧？

You know what I'm saying?

所以我没那样做。

So I wasn't doing that.

我五岁的时候就看明白了。

I seen that from five years old.

我没那样做。

I wasn't doing that.

我打算这么做。

I'm finna do this.

所以我不想像那些本可以成功的其他家伙一样，你知道吧？

So I don't wanna be like none of these other guys that could have made it or, know I'm saying?

他们有孩子了，或者进去了，之类的。

They had kids or they got locked up or whatever.

外面帮派很多吗？还是根本没什么帮派？

Heavy gangs out there or it's not gangs?

是的

Yeah.

芝加哥

Chicago.

有点像芝加哥

It's kinda like Chicago.

是的

Yeah.

当然

For sure.

芝加哥

Chicago.

但人少得多

But it's way less people.

你知道

You know