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我是医生。
I'm Doctor.
我是玛丽·克莱尔·哈弗,一名认证的妇产科医生,也是更年期认证专家。
Mary Claire Haver, a board certified obstetrician and gynecologist and certified menopause practitioner.
同时,我还在德克萨斯大学医学分支担任妇产科兼职教授。
I'm also an adjunct professor of obstetrics and gynecology at the University of Texas Medical Branch.
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Welcome to Unpaused, the podcast where we cut through the silence and talk about what it really takes for women to thrive in the second half of life.
《Unpaused》中表达的所有观点和意见仅属于嘉宾本人,仅供信息和娱乐参考。
The views and opinions expressed on unPAUSED are those of the talent and guests alone and are provided for informational and entertainment purposes only.
本播客及其相关材料均不构成任何专业医疗建议、诊断或治疗的替代。
No part of this podcast or any related materials are intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment.
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If your skin, or your nervous system, feels a little overwhelmed lately, this may be your sign to simplify.
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Primarily Pure's Soothing Collection incorporates this ingredient across face and body, from their effective deodorant to the soothing serum and body oil, creating a cohesive and calming routine.
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They've become go to's for our team with simplicity matters most.
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为什么吹头发总感觉比实际需要的时间长得多?
Why does blow drying your hair always feel like it takes way longer than it should?
对大多数人来说,吹头发既耗时又累人,说实话,有时候真不值当。
For most people, it's time consuming, a little tiring, and honestly, not always worth the effort.
但选对工具,就能彻底改变这种状况。
But the right tools can completely change that.
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Introducing LongHair, an easier, more effective way to elevate your everyday routine.
他们的 Axia Halo 圆环吹风机轻巧设计,从开始到结束都使用舒适。
Their Axia Halo Ring hair dryer is built to be lightweight, so it feels comfortable to use from the start to finish.
它能快速吹干头发,帮你在忙碌的早晨节省时间,还不影响效果。
And it is designed to dry hair quickly, helping streamline busy mornings without sacrificing results.
再搭配上 Gloss Shock 抗毛躁修护发膜,效果会更加明显。
Pair that with the Gloss Shock Anti Frizz Hair Repair Treatment, and the difference becomes even more noticeable.
在吹干前涂抹在湿发上,能平滑发丝、软化质地、提升光泽,让头发看起来精致有型。
Applied to damp hair before drying, it helps smooth, soften, and enhance shine, leaving hair looking polished.
这套护理流程最突出的地方,就是简单到极致。
What makes this routine stand out is just how simple it is.
只需两个步骤,协同作用,就能打造顺滑亮泽的发型,不用额外产品,也不多花时间。
Just two steps that work together to create a sleek, glossy look without extra products or extra time.
因为打扮自己,本该轻松自在,而不是一种负担。
Because getting ready should feel easy, not like a chore.
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That's langehair.com and use the code UNPAUSED for 20% off at checkout.
你好。
Hi.
我是玛丽克莱尔·哈弗医生,欢迎来到我们的第二期问答直播。
I'm doctor Mary Claire Haver, and welcome to our second Ask Me Anything episode.
我特别特别特别喜欢做这类活动,因为你们提的问题都太棒了,让我清楚看到大家的知识盲区在哪,也明白我们该从哪里补上。
I love, love, love, love doing these because you guys have so many great questions, and it makes me realize where the knowledge gaps are and where we need to fill them.
我手机上已经准备好问题了,咱们直接开始吧。
So I've got the questions here on my phone, and we're just gonna jump right in.
医生。
Doctor.
哈弗医生,你真的是医生吗?
Haver, are you a real doctor?
好问题。
Great question.
对于自称是医疗专业人士的人,你确实应该核实他们的资质。
You should always question the credentials of people claiming to be medical professionals.
这些信息都可以在官网和网上查到。
So all of this is verifiable online and through our website.
我确实拥有医学博士学位。
But I am an MD.
我是在路易斯安那州立大学医学中心获得的医学学位,之后在德克萨斯大学医学分支完成了住院医师培训。
I went to Louisiana State University Medical Center for my medical doctorate and then did my residency at the University of Texas Medical Branch.
我是在2002年完成所有学业的。
And I graduated from all of that in 2002.
我持有合法的行医执照。
And I am licensed to practice medicine.
我们必须通过全国统一考试,才能在执业的州获得正式许可。
So we have to pass a national examination and then be licensed in the states where we practice.
所以我有德克萨斯州的执业执照,那里是我住的地方,另外科罗拉多州我也有一处公寓,夏天过去的时候,如果需要,我可以做远程诊疗。
So I have licensed to practice in Texas where I live and in also in Colorado where I have a condominium so that when I'm there in the summers, I can do telemedicine if needed.
如果我有乳腺癌高风险、非典型增生、子宫肌瘤,或者息肉病史,还能继续接受激素替代疗法或更年期激素治疗吗?
Can I stay on hormone replacement therapy, menopause hormone therapy, if I have high risk of breast cancer, ALH, fibroid, or a history of polyps?
这些问题问得非常好。
Oh, these are really, really good questions.
有乳腺癌病史,或者只是家族中有乳腺癌病例,并不意味着你就不能接受激素治疗。
So a history of breast cancer or high risk, not meaning that you've had breast cancer, but simply having a family history of breast cancer does not at all disqualify you from receiving hormone therapy.
事实上,在女性健康倡议研究中,我们发现,只服用雌激素的女性,患乳腺癌的风险反而降低了百分之三十。
As a matter of fact, in the Women's Health Initiative, we found that women who were on estrogen, the estrogen only arm, had a thirty percent relative risk decrease of developing breast cancer after taking that form of hormone therapy.
所以请别因为家族中有某种病史,就觉得自己没资格接受治疗。
So please don't feel like because you have a family history of any type that you may be disqualified.
不过,如果你是乳腺癌基因携带者,医生已经建议你切除卵巢等器官以降低患癌风险,那情况就复杂多了。
Now, if you are a previvor and have some very strong genetic component, and it has been advised for you to have organs removed like your ovaries in order to decrease your risk of developing cancer, that is a much more nuanced conversation.
对于那些携带高风险基因的人,尤其是年轻女性,如果考虑在自然绝经前切除卵巢、停止体内雌激素生成,这些都必须和你的医生深入沟通,仔细权衡。
So for those of you who are genetic carriers of high risk, you really need to talk to, and especially if you're young and are talking about removing your ability to produce estrogen before the natural age of menopause, these are very clear conversations and very nuanced that you need to have with your clinician.
但答案绝对不是简单的‘不行’。
But the answer is not, not, not automatically no.
身体里可能存在一些解剖学上的问题,比如子宫内膜异位症、腺肌症、息肉,或者肌瘤,这些情况都需要具体情况具体分析。
Now there are anatomic things that could be going on in the body, such as endometriosis, such as adenomyosis, such as polyps, or even fibroids that, again, nuance is required.
即使你已经接受过治疗,子宫内膜异位症患者也不该被一概拒绝激素治疗。
It is not an automatic no for a patient with endometriosis regardless of how you've been treated.
比如你做过根治性手术,子宫和所有可见病灶都切除了,但如果你只补充雌激素,仍有可能出现子宫内膜异位症复发。
So say you've had extubrative surgery, meaning you've had hysterectomy and, you know, everything they could see removed, there is a chance if you were given estrogen only that you may have recurrence of your endometriosis.
我们现在对这个问题的理解还在不断加深。
We're learning more about this now.
不过,这类患者即使做了子宫切除,也最好配合使用孕激素,来抵消雌激素对残留病灶的刺激作用。
However, these patients respond very well to make sure, even after hysterectomy, you wanna couple those patients with a progestogen to counteract the potential activity of estrogen on those endometriosis implants.
这需要找真正懂行的专家来处理。
Again, you need a specialist who knows what they're doing.
这可不是套用统一标准就能解决的问题。
This is not a cookie cutter, one size all information.
息肉的话,只需要把它摘除就行。
Polyps, you just need to have them removed.
就算以前有过息肉,也完全不影响你从激素治疗中获益。
Just a history of polyps does not at all decrease your ability to enjoy the benefits of hormone therapy.
那意味着你还会再长息肉吗?
Does it mean you're gonna get polyps again?
有可能。
Maybe.
就算你不做激素治疗,也还是可能再长息肉。
Even if you didn't take hormone therapy, you could develop polyps again.
所以关键是定期监测,一旦复发就及时处理。
So it just requires close watching and treating the polyps appropriately if they do come back.
明白了。
Okay.
下一个问题。
Next question.
激素替代疗法在什么情况下不能使用?
When is hormone replacement therapy contraindicated?
好问题。
Oh, good question.
那有哪些安全的替代方案呢?
And what are safe alternatives?
好的。
Okay.
我得说清楚一点。
Let me be clear.
激素替代疗法没有其他替代品。
There is no alternative to hormone replacement therapy.
我再强调一遍。
Let me be very clear.
雌激素、孕激素和睾酮都没有替代品。
There is no alternative to estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone.
我们能做的只是缓解其他症状。
What we have are things to treat other symptoms.
但唯一能替代你体内激素自然分泌能力的,就是直接补充这些激素。
But the only thing that replaces the loss of your ability to produce these hormones is giving you back the hormones.
明白了。
Okay.
那哪些情况是禁忌呢?
Now, what are the contraindications?
哪些患者绝对不能使用雌激素,或者根本不能考虑激素替代治疗?
Who are patients who absolutely should not take estrogen or could not entertain the thought of hormone replacement therapy?
第一种情况,如果你体内有肿瘤,而且这个肿瘤正靠这些激素生长。
Number one, if you have a tumor that is dangerous, that is currently being fed by such hormones.
比如,如果你有子宫内膜癌、活跃的卵巢癌,或者活跃的乳腺癌,这时候绝对不能开始激素治疗。
So for example, if you have endometrial cancer, if you have active ovarian cancer, if you have active breast cancer, this is not the time to start hormone therapy.
如果你怀孕了,这时候也不适合开始激素治疗。
If you are pregnant, this is not the time to start hormone therapy.
如果你有未经诊断的阴道出血,也就是说,你出现了平时没有的异常出血。
If you have undiagnosed vaginal bleeding, meaning you're having something abnormal for you.
绝经后出血是指你已经一年没有来月经,现在又开始出血,这种情况必须立即转诊妇科进行检查。
Postmenopausal bleeding mean you've gone a year without a period and now you're bleeding, that is an automatic referral to gynecology for evaluation.
在明确原因之前,不要开始激素治疗。
Don't start hormone therapy until that's evaluated.
这并不意味着你永远不能用,但我们需要先弄清楚出血的原因。
It doesn't mean you can't ever have it, but we need to figure out why you are bleeding.
任何不正常的出血都该接受评估,确保没有子宫内膜癌、肿瘤,或其他需要先处理的问题,再开始激素治疗。
So anything that's unusual about your bleeding should be evaluated to make sure there's not an endometrial cancer, a tumor, or something we need to treat before we start hormone therapy.
只有在极少数严重肝病的情况下,我不是说那种轻度脂肪肝、肝功能指标轻微升高的情况。
In very rare cases of severe liver disease, I'm not talking about mild fatty liver with mildly elevated liver function tests.
我说的是严重的肝病,这种情况必须仔细评估。
I'm talking severe liver disease That needs to be evaluated.
我们必须密切监控你使用激素治疗的情况,因为雌激素主要是在肝脏代谢的。
We have to monitor your use of hormone therapy very, very closely because that is where estrogen is metabolized.
因为你没法很好地代谢它,会导致雌激素在体内堆积,水平升得很高。
And because you can't metabolize it very well, have a buildup, and get really high estrogen levels.
这并不是绝对不能用,但必须由有经验的医生来评估和处理。
It's not a never, it's not a no, but it does take someone who knows what they are doing and how to treat this.
如果你最近刚出现过血栓,或者正在接受血栓病史的治疗,比如肺栓塞,那就不能用任何口服雌激素。
Also, if you have a very recent blood clot, if you're currently being treated for a history of blood clots, pulmonary embolus, you don't wanna be on any form of oral estrogen.
口服雌激素首先经过肝脏,会提高血液的凝固能力。
Oral estrogen hits the liver first and increases our clotting factors.
如果你本身血栓风险很高,那就必须避开所有口服的雌激素,只能考虑其他形式。
So if you're high risk for developing blood clots, you wanna avoid all oral, oral, oral, only oral forms of estrogen.
但你猜怎么着?
But guess what?
我们还有其他类型的雌激素,不会增加血栓风险,比如经皮贴剂、凝胶、乳膏,特别是阴道用乳膏。
We have other forms of estrogen that will not increase your clotting risk, such as transdermal, such as the gels, the creams, and especially vaginal cream.
记住,阴道用雌激素是局部起效的。
Remember, vaginal estrogen is locally acting.
它不会被全身吸收。
It does not get systemically absorbed.
只在阴道局部起作用,直接改善那里的组织。
It only acts in the vagina, treating those immediate tissues right there.
吸收到血液里的量极少,根本不会增加血栓风险。
And there is not enough that gets absorbed into the bloodstream that can put you in any kind of a danger with increasing your clotting risk.
如果你被告诉不能用激素疗法,因为你有偏头痛史、血栓史、MTHFR基因突变或其他血栓倾向,这并不意味着你完全不能用激素替代治疗。
So if you've been told you can't have hormone therapy because you have a history of migraines, because you have a history of blood clots, because you have a history of MTHFR or any other thrombophilia, you know, a high risk clotting condition, does not mean at all that you cannot have HRT.
只是意味着你需要选择更安全的给药方式。
It just means you have to be careful about the delivery system that is chosen for you.
60岁以后,继续使用激素安全或有益的时间有多长?
How long is it safe or beneficial to stay on hormones after 60?
好的。
Okay.
在60岁之后,是该开始激素治疗,还是继续使用你已经适应的激素治疗,这是两个不同的问题。
There's a different conversation between, do I start hormone therapy after 60, or do I continue hormone therapy I'm happy with after 60?
那我们先说第二个问题。
So let's talk about the second one first.
我们先退一步说。
Let's back it up.
如果你正在接受激素治疗,感觉不错,也没有禁忌症,也没有出现新的禁忌症,而且对目前的治疗很满意。
So if you are enjoying hormone therapy and you don't have a contraindication, you haven't developed a contraindication, and you are happy with your treatment.
你感觉好多了。
You feel better.
你的骨密度也在改善。
Your bone density is kicking.
你每天活力满满,过着理想的生活。
You're getting up and living your best life.
用着特别舒服。
You feel amazing on it.
你不再有潮热或其他症状。
You're not having hot flashes or any symptoms.
你的骨骼、关节,一切都很好。
Your bones, your joints, everything's great.
还有你的心理健康。
Your mental health.
你知道吗?
Guess what?
没有哪个年龄是你必须停药的界限。
There is no age at which you must stop.
在预防心血管疾病方面,确实有一个黄金窗口期。
There is a window of opportunity for cardiovascular disease prevention.
女性健康倡议的数据非常明确:如果女性在患上心脏病之前就开始激素治疗——大概在绝经后十年内,或者60岁之前——她的心血管健康很可能会因此受益,从而减缓绝经对心血管风险的影响,比如胰岛素抵抗、血压升高、动脉粥样硬化斑块形成和胆固醇水平变化。
This was very clear in the Women's Health Initiative data and that if a woman starts hormone therapy before she develops heart disease, so probably within the first ten years of her menopause or before the age of 60, she will likely have cardiovascular benefit, which will slow menopause's effects on our cardiovascular risk, such as insulin resistance, blood pressure, and atherosclerotic plaque production and cholesterol levels.
但一旦过了60岁,或者这些病变已经发生并开始影响血管,雌激素就不太可能再起到预防作用了。
After the age of 60 or after some time, once those processes have developed and are starting to make changes in your vasculature, estrogen is likely not gonna be helpful for prevention.
一些小型研究还表明,一旦这些疾病已经形成,激素治疗反而可能带来风险。
And some small studies suggest it might be harmful once those diseases set in.
不过,这一点现在还有争议。
Okay, now there's debate over that.
我跟患者说,如果你已经60岁了,从来没用过激素,或者更年期超过十年了,
What I tell patients is after 60, they've never been on hormones, right, or more than ten years since they're menopause.
那你可能已经错过了心血管保护的最佳时机,但激素始终能保护你的阴道健康。
You've likely missed the biggest window of cardiovascular opportunity, but it's always going to protect your vagina.
只要坚持服用,它也始终能保护你的骨骼。
It's always going to protect your bones as long as you take it.
对你来说还是有好处的。
There are benefits to you.
只要剂量合适,对大多数患者来说,它总能有效缓解潮热。
It's always going to stop hot flashes if you give the right dose for most patients.
所以这并不意味着完全不行。
So it doesn't mean no.
也不意味着你必须立刻停用。
It doesn't mean you must stop.
这意味着它可能对心脏没什么帮助,尤其是如果你已经出现心血管疾病的危险因素。
It just means it's not gonna be probably helpful to your heart, especially if you've already started to develop cardiovascular disease risk factors.
但没有任何一个年龄是必须一刀切地停药的。
But there is no age at which you must uniformly stop.
让我把话说清楚。
Let me say this clearly.
对绝大多数患者来说,激素治疗并不危险。
Hormone therapy is not, for the vast, vast, vast majority of patients, dangerous.
对我们大多数人而言,好处远大于风险。
And for most of us, the vast majority of us, the benefits will outweigh the risks.
我怎么知道自己的雌激素、孕激素和睾酮剂量是不是合适的?
How do I know if my estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone doses are right?
当医生们为这个问题争论不休时,作为妇科医生我特别享受——这简直太好笑了。
This is where it's so fun to be a gynecologist because watching academicians lose their minds over this question is hysterical to me.
大家都同意,我们需要了解你的基础睾酮水平。
Everyone agrees we need to know what your baseline testosterone is.
大家都同意,我们需要监测你的睾酮治疗,确保剂量不会过高。
Everyone agrees we need to monitor your testosterone therapy to make sure that you are not super therapeutic.
争议点就在这里。
Where the controversy is, is here.
记住,激素治疗最初发明出来,只是为了缓解潮热。
Remember, hormone therapy was developed for no other reason than to stop a hot flash.
就这一个目的。
That's it.
所以治疗的目标,就是让她的血管舒缩症状——比如潮热、夜间盗汗——得到缓解。
So the therapeutic endpoint was resolution of her or diminishing her vasomotor symptoms, her hot flashes, her night sweats.
明白吗?
Okay?
现在我们知道,心悸也可能属于这个范围。
And now what we know is probably palpitations as well.
就这些。
That's it.
你让她不再潮热了。
You stop her hot flashes.
她已经达到治疗效果了。
She is therapeutic.
没必要再检测了。
No need to measure.
这样测没有意义。
It's not helpful.
那她的骨骼呢?
However, what about her bones?
我们有明确的数据,显示当雌激素——也就是雌二醇的血药浓度达到某个水平时,就可以停药了。
We have very clear data showing at what level estrogen, blood levels of estradiol are going to be stopped.
有两点要注意。
Okay, there's two things to remember.
骨质流失其实从围绝经期就开始了,不是等到绝经后才开始。
We have accelerated bone loss starting in perimenopause, not menopause, perimenopause.
骨质流失最快的阶段是在围绝经期,之后会放缓,但绝经后仍在持续下降。
The fastest rate of bone loss is in peri, and then it stabilizes but still declining in post menopause.
所以我们有特定的雌二醇水平,可以阻止骨质流失。
So we have levels of estradiol which will stop the decline, stop the loss.
更高的血清浓度甚至能促进骨质生成,让骨头重新长回来。
We have higher serum levels which will actually grow bone, grow bone.
在我们美国的检测标准里,这个数值大约是60。
And that seems to be around 60 in the way we measure here in The US.
使用高灵敏度检测雌二醇时,目标值应该在60左右。
In The ultrasensitive estradiol levels, you want to be around 60.
超过80并不会带来更多的骨骼保护作用。
Over 80 is not going to be more bone beneficial.
并不是越高越好,但必须达到60左右,才能获得最大的骨骼益处。
More is not more, but you need to hit about 60 to have the maximum bone benefit.
所以当我的患者来找我,说‘我想保护我的骨头’时。
So when my patients come to me and say, Hey, I'm here to protect my bones.
我母亲有骨质疏松。
My mother had osteoporosis.
我也有骨质疏松。
I have osteoporosis.
等等,等等,等等,等等,等等。
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
我们会全面采用骨质疏松的预防和保护方案,包括运动、抗阻训练、摄入足够的蛋白质、保证饮食中钙的摄入、确保维生素D充足,还会帮你戒烟、改善睡眠。
We go through the full toolkit for osteoporosis prevention and protection, which also includes, if you know me, movement, resistance training, eating adequate protein, making sure you're getting enough calcium in your diet, making sure you have enough vitamin D, making sure that we give you tools to stop smoking, you know, making sure you're sleeping.
这些措施协同作用,能帮助你增强并保护骨骼。
All of these things are synergistic together to help grow and save your bones.
但我们也知道,为了最大化骨骼收益,你的雌二醇水平应该保持在什么范围。
But we have levels where we know your estradiol level should be in order to maximize the benefit to your bone.
因此,我会定期检测你的血清雌二醇水平。
For those reasons, I am checking serum estradiol levels.
另外要记住,身体对营养的吸收效果并不都一样。
Also, remember this, all absorption is not the same.
关键来了。
So here's the kicker.
不同剂型的吸收效果是不一样的。
Absorption is different depending on formulation.
什么?医生?
What, Doctor.
海弗?
Haver?
你不可能给十个女人贴同样的雌二醇贴片,她们的吸收量却都一样吧?
Not ever you slap an estradiol patch on 10 different women and they're going to absorb differently?
当然不一样。
Yes.
明白吗?
Okay?
英国纽斯姆诊所的莎拉·格伦和路易丝·纽斯姆做过一项出色的研究,他们用标准化的经皮雌二醇剂量,测量了血清中的雌二醇水平,结果差异巨大。
Amazing work done by Sarah Glenn and Louise Newsome with the Newsome Clinics in The UK looked at standardized estradiol transdermal dosing and measured serum estradiol levels, and it was all over the map.
大约有百分之二十的女性属于吸收不良型,即使使用最高剂量的透皮贴剂,也无法达到生理所需的血药浓度。
About twenty percent of women were what they called poor absorbers, were not reaching physiologic doses with the highest dose of transdermal.
正因为这项研究,当我们给患者启动透皮治疗时,通常会首选贴剂。
So because of that research, when our patients are started on transdermal, usually patch is what we use.
那为什么我们选贴剂呢?
And why do we use a patch?
因为便宜。
Because it's cheap.
我知道在美国之外也有不少听众,但我要说的是美国的情况。
In The United States, I know I have listeners all over the world.
在美国,我们对女性的医疗保障体系简直荒谬透顶,保险制度和医疗资金分配方式都乱得离谱。
In The United States, it is absolutely insane what we do to women with our crazy insurance system and how we fund medical healthcare in this country.
但 generics 的贴剂,仍然是目前最经济实惠的透皮雌激素给药方式。
But generic patches tend to be of the most affordable transdermal ways to get estrogen into your body in a transdermal fashion.
最便宜的雌激素获取方式,还是普通的雌二醇片剂。
The cheapest way to get estradiol is with the plain estradiol pill.
我跟你说,这种普通的口服雌二醇,每月只要两到五美元。
And let me tell you, that prescription is 2 to $5 a month for plain old oral estradiol.
但一旦换成贴片,现在在美国根本买不到,因为缺货了——你猜怎么着?
But when we move up to the patch, if you can find them in The US right now because there's a shortage, because guess what?
大家都在谈论激素治疗,跑去医生那儿想深入聊聊,开处方,可我们根本配不上药,因为供不应求。
Everyone's talking about hormone therapy and going to their doctor and wanting to have a nuanced conversation, and they're getting their prescriptions, which we are struggling to fill because of supply and demand.
所以Mylan、山德士,还有其他厂家,赶紧多生产点贴片吧,别让女性们苦等了,让她们早日恢复健康、重拾幸福。
So Mylan, Sandoz, whoever's out there, make some more fucking patches so we can get these on our women and have them get healthier and happier and get their lives back.
明白吗?
Okay?
有百分之二十的人,吸收效果可能不太理想。
So twenty percent of you are going to have a potential for having not great absorption.
我看过这个数据。
I read that.
我用最高剂量的贴片,潮热完全控制住了。
My hot flashes were controlled, absolutely controlled, on the highest dose patch.
出于好奇,我查了自己的血清雌二醇水平。
Out of curiosity, I checked my own serum estradiol level.
结果是37。
It was 37.
为了确认,两个月后我又查了一次。
I checked it again two months later to be sure.
这次是39。
It was 39.
我摄入的雌二醇还不够,达不到对骨骼的最佳保护效果。
I was not getting adequate estradiol to have maximum bone benefit.
我非常非常希望老了以后别得骨质疏松性骨折。
I am very, very motivated to not develop osteoporotic fractures as I age.
为什么?
Why?
因为我奶奶和我妈都经历过。
Because my grandmother had them and my mother had them.
我母亲已经进入中度痴呆阶段。
My mother has in stage dementia.
她身体非常虚弱,骨质疏松得特别严重。
She's horribly frail, and she has horrific osteoporosis.
我绝不希望自己的未来也是这样。
I am not interested in that being my future.
我根本无法接受这种可能性。
And I just refuse to accept that.
那我到底在做些什么,不惜一切代价避免这种情况?
So what am I doing to avoid that at all costs?
第一,我坚持接受激素治疗,并且检查了我的激素水平,确保能获得最大的骨骼保护效果。
Number one, I'm staying on hormone therapy, and I checked my levels to make sure that I was getting the maximum bone benefit.
第二,我认真进行负重训练。
Number two, I am serious about heavy lifting.
我也非常重视负重训练。
I'm serious about heavy lifting too.
我本身就很瘦。
I am a thin person.
老天没给我多少肌肉。
God did not give me a lot of muscle.
如果你看视频,这胳膊是练出来的。
This, if you on video, this bicep is manufactured.
我不是生来就这样的。
I was not born with this.
这可不是老天赏的。
This was not a gift from God.
这是我锻炼的结果。
This is me working out.
明白吗?
Okay?
我举铁是因为我不在乎自己长什么样。
This is me lifting weights because I don't care what I look like.
说实话,我有点虚荣。
I mean, I'm a little vain.
我明白这种感觉。
I get that.
但我真的特别害怕会像我妈妈那样老去。
But like, I am so terrified to age like my poor mother.
她并不想这样。
She didn't want this.
她不想过这样的生活。
She didn't wanna live like this.
她不想得老年痴呆、骨质疏松,变得那么虚弱,最后住进记忆照护中心,连从床上起来都做不到。
She didn't wanna have dementia and osteoporosis and be so frail and have to live in a memory care unit and not be able to transfer out of her bed anymore.
她真的不想这样。
Like, she didn't want this.
我不希望自己将来变成这样,更不能让我的女儿们将来面对这样的命运。
I don't want this for myself, and I refuse for it to be the future for my daughters.
所以我还有三十年的时间,才可能面临那样的情况。
So I have a thirty year runway before that would potentially happen for me.
我现在有机会为自己改写命运,也教女儿们怎么做。
I I have a chance to change history here for myself and teach my daughters how to do it.
所以要多做力量训练,保证足够的蛋白质摄入。
So heavy lifting, adequate protein.
我补充了大量维生素D。
I had take I have lots of vitamin D.
我确实会补充维生素D。
I do supplement vitamin D.
我每年都会查一次维生素D水平,确保保持在理想范围。
I check my vitamin D levels about once a year to make sure that I am at a good level.
我吃很多富含钙的食物,还用手机上的小应用监控钙的摄入量。
I'm eating foods very rich in calcium to make and I monitor my calcium intake with my little app on my phone.
我还在做跳跃训练。
I'm doing jump training as well.
我做箱子跳,就是为了刺激骨骼生长。
I'm doing box jumps to try to stimulate that bone unit.
这些方法一起作用,我的骨密度非常好。
And all of that is working together, and my bone density is amazing.
作为一个瘦小的白人女性,我的骨头状态堪比35岁的人。
I have the bones of a 35 year old for a skinny, you know, Caucasian girl.
对于一辈子为了瘦而节食的人来说,这真的很难做到。
And that is that is hard to do for someone who dieted her whole life to be thin.
所以我一直在努力,确保这种情况不会发生。
So I am working really hard to make sure that that doesn't happen.
再说说孕酮水平。
So progesterone level.
我们通常不常规检测这个指标。
So we don't measure routinely.
在我们的诊所,大多数更年期患者都不测孕酮。
In our clinics and most of the menopause, we do not measure progesterone levels.
孕激素在临床上主要用来改善睡眠和保护子宫内膜。
Progesterone, we use therapeutically mostly for sleep and for endometrial protection.
我们知道需要多少剂量才能抵消雌激素,防止子宫内膜癌的发生。
So we know how much it takes to counteract the estrogen we're giving to protect the endometrium from endometrial cancer.
不过,如果患者有睡眠问题,我们通常会适当增加剂量,确保他们睡得好。
However, we often go above those basic doses to get people the sleep that they need, if needed.
睾酮水平我们一直都在监测。
Testosterone levels, we are always monitoring.
在我们诊所,先测一次基线值,然后开始治疗。
So in our clinic, we get a baseline, then we start therapy.
三个月后复查,之后我一般每年检查一次,确保吸收正常,避免剂量过高引发睾酮的副作用。
We check three months later, and then I'll check probably every year to make sure that their absorption is good and they are not being super therapeutic and therefore at risk for the side effects that you can get from testosterone.
最近我一直在简化日常生活,尤其是穿衣方面。
Lately, I've been trying to simplify my day to day, especially when it comes to getting dressed.
再也不在衣柜前纠结搭配,也不再花太多时间和金钱去找那些真正耐穿的基础款衣服。
No more standing in my closet, overthinking outfits, or spending too much time and money trying to find high quality basics that actually hold up.
我想要那种穿起来轻松舒服,但看起来又很得体的衣服。
I want pieces that feel effortless and comfortable but still look put together.
所以我最近特别喜欢Quince。
And that's why I've been loving Quintz.
每一件衣服都刚刚好。
Everything just works.
面料很有质感,剪裁特别显身材,每天早上穿衣服时再也不用纠结选得对不对了。
The fabrics feel elevated, the fits are super flattering, and I'm not constantly questioning if I made the right choice when I get dressed in the morning.
我最近特别爱的一件是弹力真丝系颈上衣。
One of the pieces I've been obsessed with is the stretch silk tie neck blouse.
我买了好几个颜色,真不是夸张,我几乎天天都穿它。
I have it in a few colors, and I'm not exaggerating when I say I'm constantly reaching for it.
如果你这个春天想更新衣橱,Quince能让你轻松搞定。
If you're looking to refresh your wardrobe this spring, Quince makes it really easy.
他们用的都是高品质面料,比如100%欧洲亚麻、有机棉和超柔软牛仔布,价格却一点都不贵。
They use premium materials like a 100% European linen, organic cotton, and ultra soft denim, but without the luxury price tags.
我特别喜欢这一点,因为这意味着你再也不用在品质和价格之间做取舍了。
And I love that because it means you're not choosing between quality and affordability anymore.
你可以两者兼得。
You just get both.
用真正会穿的奢侈品,焕新你的日常穿搭。
Refresh your everyday with luxury you'll actually use.
前往 quince.com/unpaused,享受免费配送和365天无理由退换。
Head to quince.com/unpaused for free shipping on your order and three sixty five day returns.
现在加拿大也能购买了。
Now available in Canada too.
记得去 quince.com/unpaused,享受免费配送和365天无理由退换。
That's quince.com/unpaused for free shipping and three hundred and sixty five day returns.
quince.com/unpaused。
Quince.com/unpaused.
你有没有过一种感觉,觉得自己活的只是个将就的生活?
Have you ever felt like you were living just a b or b plus life?
这样活着太危险了。
It's so dangerous to live that.
比过着B-或C+的生活更危险,因为你过着B或B+的生活时,根本不会想去改变。
More dangerous than a b minus or a c plus life because when you're living a B or B plus life, you don't change it.
你觉得这样已经够好了。
You think it's good enough.
真的够好吗?
Is it?
我是苏茜·威尔奇。
I'm Suzy Welch.
我主持一档叫《成为你自己》的播客。
I host a podcast called Becoming You.
人们觉得,A+的生活跟我没关系,但其实有办法。
People think, okay, an A plus life is not available to me, but there is a way.
我们每个人都在成为自己的路上。
We are all in the process of becoming ourselves.
在你常用的播客平台收听《成为你自己》。
Listen to Becoming You wherever you get your podcasts.
很多人知道,我职业生涯一直致力于提升女性的医疗标准。
Many of you know I've spent my career pushing for better medical standards for women.
Midi Health 也秉持同样的使命,为女性提供她们一直应得的医疗服务。
Midi Health is on that same mission, delivering the kind of care women have always deserved.
长期以来,女性被告诉说,更年期和围绝经期的症状只能忍着。
For too long, women have been told to just deal with perimenopause and menopause symptoms.
你的检查指标都正常。
Your labs are normal.
这不过是衰老的正常现象。
This is just a part of aging.
少吃点,多运动。
Eat less, workout more.
这种做法根本行不通。
That approach failed us.
这正是我工作和Midi存在的根本原因。
And it's exactly why both my work and Midi's exist.
中年和更年期并不是人生的终点,而是新的起点。
Midlife and menopause aren't the beginning of the end.
这是一个至关重要的机遇窗口。
They're a critical window of opportunity.
但光有教育还不够,还缺了关键的一环。
But education is only half the battle.
女性需要的是真正懂女性衰老科学的医生。
Women need access to clinicians who actually understand the science of female aging.
Midi就是为填补这个空白而创建的。
That's the gap Midi was built to close.
Midi关注的不是活得久,而是活得健康。
Midi is focused on health span, not just lifespan.
这意味着要关注你的新陈代谢、骨密度、心血管风险,还有认知功能。
That means looking at your metabolic health, bone density, cardiovascular risk, and cognitive function.
这种以证据为基础、主动干预的医疗方式,我一直认为女性理应得到,而Midi正是这样做的。
It's the kind of proactive evidence based care I've always believed women deserve, and it's exactly what Midi delivers.
最重要的是这一点。
And here's what matters most.
全美50个州的女性都可以通过医保,获得经过最新更年期与长寿医学培训的医生提供的服务。
Women in all 50 states can access this care covered by insurance with clinicians trained in the latest menopause and longevity science.
你的邮政编码,绝不该决定你能否获得优质的更年期护理。
Because your zip code should never determine your access to quality menopause care.
现在就登录joinmidi.com预约线上就诊。
Book your virtual visit today at joinmidi.com.
网址是joinmidi.com。
That's joinmidi.com.
为什么我用了贴片、凝胶或植入剂,血液指标还是偏低?
Why are my blood levels low despite using patches, gels, or pellets?
SHBG水平过高,吸收效果差。
High SHBG poor absorption.
没错,你刚刚其实已经给出了答案。
Yep, you just answered your own question.
SHBG就是性激素结合球蛋白。
So SHBG is steroid hormone binding globulin.
这是一种由肝脏产生的蛋白质。
It is a protein that is made in the liver.
如果你服用的是口服雌激素,SHBG水平会比使用透皮贴剂或凝胶的人稍高一些,这是因为肝脏的首过效应。
And those of you on oral estrogen, you're gonna have a little bit higher levels of SHBG versus transdermal because of that first pass effect of the liver.
SHBG会结合我们的性激素,包括雌激素、孕激素和睾酮。
SHBG binds our sex hormones, binds estrogen, progesterone, and testosterone.
一旦这些激素和蛋白质结合了,就失去活性了。
And when they're bound to that protein, they're not active.
真正能在组织中起作用的,是那些在血液里自由游离的激素,而不是被结合住的。
So you need the hormones that are floating free in the bloodstream that are gonna be active in the tissues rather than bound.
所以如果你能降低SHBG水平——我们有好几种方法能做到——就能提高激素的活性,因为这样就把它们从蛋白质上释放出来了。
So if you can lower your SHBG, and we can do that a number of ways, you will increase the activity of your hormone levels because we're unbinding them from the protein.
我们来看看。
Let's see.
对骨骼、大脑、心脏和症状控制来说,理想的激素水平是多少?
What are optimal hormone ranges for bone, brain, heart, and symptom control?
我们只知道对骨骼的影响。
All we know is bone.
这是目前唯一被测量过的指标。
That's the only thing people have measured.
这正是让我生气的地方——我们根本不够重视女性健康研究。
This is what just pisses me off about how we don't study women.
关于男性体内的睾酮,以及它对各种器官系统的影响,我们什么都知道。
We know everything about testosterone in men and different organ systems and how it may be affected.
但像雌二醇在血液中的理想浓度是多少,才能最好地保护心血管?这些问题我们却一无所知。
But like simple things like how much estradiol in the serum, where did we see the best cardiovascular protection benefit?
如果只把是否缓解潮热作为治疗效果的唯一标准,我们永远得不到这些关键数据。
When you're only measuring the presence or absence of a hot flash as therapeutic endpoint, we're not gonna know that data.
那么,玛丽·克莱尔会希望做哪些研究呢?
So what studies would Mary Claire want done?
我希望能监测血清中的雌二醇水平,先记录每个人的基线值,再开始治疗,然后跟踪心脏疾病的相关指标,比如胰岛素抵抗、血压和甘油三酯水平。
I would wanna see serum estradiol levels, you know, starting people at baseline, checking what their estradiol level is, starting them on therapy, then watching the markers of heart disease, like their insulin resistance, like their blood pressure, their triglyceride level.
还要观察是否需要做心脏导管检查这类指标。
So, and looking at markers of, you know, getting cardiac caths.
对女性来说,评估心血管风险时,心脏导管检查比冠状动脉钙化评分更可靠。
I mean, that's a better test for a woman to for her risk of cardiovascular disease than the coronary calcium score.
钙化评分只能告诉你确实存在钙化的动脉粥样硬化,但看不到软斑块。
Calcium score tells you, yep, you have calcified atherosclerosis, but you can't see the soft plaques.
对女性而言,我们心脏病的发作方式和进展路径似乎不同,通过心脏导管检查来发现软斑块,可能才是更好的预警指标。
And for women, it seems like for us, the way we have heart attacks, the way the heart disease progresses in us, that doing the cardiac cast to look for the soft plaques may be a better indicator.
所以我们现在还不清楚。
So we don't know.
这些才是我特别希望看到开展的研究。
And those are the tests I those are the studies I would love to see done.
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即使使用激素替代疗法,症状仍然持续。
Persistent symptoms despite HRT.
你猜怎么着?
Guess what?
你绝对想不到这话会从我嘴里说出来。
Y'all aren't gonna believe this comes out of my mouth.
不是所有问题都是更年期引起的。
Not everything is menopause.
有时候,你的关节炎和更年期根本没关系。
Sometimes you have arthritis unrelated to menopause.
有时候,你身上其他疾病和更年期也完全无关。
Sometimes you will have other disease processes that have nothing to do with menopause.
如果你开始激素治疗,是希望关节痛、焦虑或失眠能改善,但结果没用,那我们还有别的办法。
So if you start hormone therapy in the hopes your arthritis will get better or in the hopes your anxiety or insomnia, you know, or joint pain will get better, and it doesn't, you know, we can do a couple of things.
每次病人来诊所,我对他们的激素水平其实不太在意,除了睾酮。
You know, I am always when my patients come into clinic, I am not so interested in what their actual hormone you know, other than testosterone.
你知道的。
You know?
如果我没法确定她是不是已经完全进入更年期,我们会查激素水平,但更重要的是先排除其他可能的原因。
And if I can't determine if she's fully menopausal or not yet, you know, we'll check hormone levels, but they're not as important as me ruling out other stuff.
要排查甲状腺功能减退,检查自身免疫性甲状腺炎,查看自身免疫指标、炎症标志物,还有关键的营养指标。
Hypothyroidism, looking for autoimmune thyroiditis, looking at autoimmune disease markers, looking at inflammation markers, looking at key nutrition labs.
我们为患者做这些检查,是因为这些情况往往相互关联。
We do all of this for our patients because so much of this is intertwined.
甲状腺功能减退和更年期的很多症状,其实都高度重叠。
A lot of the, you know, in the columns of hypothyroidism and menopause, so many of the symptoms check off the same.
所以我必须排除这些其他疾病,或者确认它们是否存在。
So I need to rule out these other conditions or rule them in.
这些情况完全可能同时发生。
All of this can be happening at the same time.
所以如果你正在接受激素治疗,但某些症状没有改善,我会去查一下相关指标。
So if you are on hormone therapy and certain parts of your presentation are not getting better, I check a level.
你的雌二醇水平现在怎么样?
What is your estradiol level doing?
如果你一直有炎症,我会检查炎症指标。
You know, if you're having persistent inflammation, I'm checking inflammation markers.
我再仔细看看你的甲状腺检查结果。
I'm looking at your thyroid labs again.
我们是不是漏掉了什么?
Like, did we miss something?
然后我们可以增加剂量,看看效果如何,或者寻找其他方法来缓解这些症状和问题。
So then we can go up on the dose and see how you do, or we can start looking for other ways to treat those symptoms and conditions.
这已经是最好的状态了吗?还是需要调整剂量或用药时间,包括睾酮?
Is this the best I it will get, or do I need dose forming timing changes, including testosterone?
我希望每个人都能过上最好的生活,我相信你完全可以做到。
I want everyone to be living their best life, and I really think you can.
我真心觉得,人生的最后四分之一,甚至是最后三分之一,应该是你一生中最精彩的阶段。
I really think the last the last quarter of your life, the last third of your life should be the best in your life.
你最有智慧。
You have the most wisdom.
你理应被最多的爱包围。
You should be surrounded by the most love.
你应该是有史以来最自信的自己。
You should be the most confident that you've ever, ever, ever been.
你知道吗,激素治疗在帮你恢复平衡方面能起很大作用,但它不是万能药。
You know, hormone therapy can go a long way to help restore balance when you've lost it, but it's not a miracle.
你得把自己放在首位。
You have to prioritize yourself.
没人会来救你。
No one is coming to save you.
你得把你自己、你的健康、你的生活、你的精神状态放在第一位。
You have to start putting yourself, your health, your life, your sanity first.
设立界限,让你成年的孩子自己照顾自己,让你的伴侣或身边的人分担家务,现在正是你专注自己的时候。
Putting up boundaries, letting your grown ass children take care of themselves, letting your partners in life or whoever do their share of the domestic labor, like, this is the time for you to focus on you.
我们去回访病人,她进来就说,我现在过得特别好。
So we are checking on our patients, and she comes in, and she's like, I am living my best life.
我感觉棒极了。
I feel absolutely amazing.
今天一点毛病都没有。
I have zero complaints today.
谢谢你帮我找回了韧性,不管你们给我用了什么药。
Thank you for giving me my resilience back, you know, with whatever concoction we gave her.
我不会只凭某个随机的化验指标就改她的剂量。
I'm not changing her dose based on some random ass lab marker.
我们会给她做骨密度检查。
We're gonna get her bone density.
我们会关注一些特定的指标。
We're gonna look for certain things.
但只要她自己说状态很好,所有筛查结果也都正常,我们就继续维持这个剂量。
But like, if she comes in saying she's doing amazing and all of her screening tests look good, we're keeping her on that dose.
所以这个时候,不一定非得调整剂量。
So it doesn't, you know, necessarily require adjustments at that point.
这个效果真是太好了。
Oh, this one's so good.
明白了。
Okay.
接下来要注意的是出血和子宫安全性问题。
Bleeding and uterine safety is the next caveat.
刚开始用雌激素或者调整剂量时,有点滴血正常吗?
Is spotting normal when starting or changing estrogen doses?
正常。
Yes.
好的。
Okay.
大家都过来一下。
Everybody gather around.
开始激素治疗后,有一半的人会出现非预期的阴道出血。
Fifty percent of you will have unscheduled vaginal bleeding when you start hormone therapy.
一半左右,经皮吸收的比口服的更多一些。
Fifty percent, more with transdermal than with oral.
我说清楚一点。
Let me be clear.
有一半的人会出现非预期的阴道出血。
Fifty percent of you will have unscheduled vaginal bleeding.
这很正常,是预期中的反应,不是病理性的。
It is normal, it is expected, and it is not pathologic.
你的子宫刚重新接触激素,容易出现出血,这是正常的反应。
Your uterus is getting used to having hormones thrown at it again, and it tends to bleed.
好消息是,这种情况通常会自己消失,不需要特别治疗。
Now, good news, it usually goes away on its own with no treatment.
你不需要做活检,也不用做其他检查。
You do not need a biopsy or a workup.
如果有临床医生在听,别让这些女性做活检、宫腔镜或者刮宫,至少要等六个月,出血还没停止再说。
And if any clinicians are listening, do not put these women through biopsies and hysteroscopies and DNCs until it's been six months and the bleeding has not resolved.
可以降低雌激素剂量,或者提高孕激素剂量,来控制出血。
You can go lower on the estrogen, go higher on the progestogen to get the bleeding.
只要确认过检查,出血不是来自阴道,而是来自子宫内膜,就可以先观察几个月,调整用药剂量,看看效果。
As long as you've determined you've done an exam and the bleeding is not coming from the vagina, it's coming from the endometrium, you can monitor her for a few months, change the doses around, see.
如果出血持续存在,而且已经做了全面检查,结果都正常,那我们还有其他办法。
Now if the bleeding is persistent and you've done a workup and everything's normal, we have options.
有一种药叫Duavee,或者也叫Duavee。
There is something called Duavee or Duavee.
我都不太确定该怎么念才对。
Don't even know how to pronounce it correctly.
D-U-A-V-E-E。
D U A V E E.
它是结合了结合雌激素和巴多昔芬的复方制剂。
It is a combination of Premarin plus Basadoxifene.
Basadoxifene 这个名字跟他莫昔芬很像。
Basadoxifene is a term similar to tamoxifene.
哦,是他莫昔芬。
Okay, tamoxifen.
但它只在乳腺和子宫组织里结合、阻断并下调雌激素受体。
But it binds, blocks, and down regulates the estrogen receptors only in the breast tissue and the uterus.
所以对于那些持续出血或乳腺癌风险很高的患者,我们通常会选用 Duavee,让它在乳腺里结合、阻断并下调雌激素受体。
So for my patients, our patients who are having persistent bleeding or very high risk for breast cancer, we are usually going with DuoVe for those patients to bind, block, and down regulate the estrogen receptors in the breast.
然后她们就不会出血了。
And then they don't bleed.
就是不会出血。
They just don't bleed.
这算是这种药特别好的一个副作用。
It's a wonderful side effect of that particular formulation.
问题是,现在还没有仿制药。
The problem is there's no generic.
这是一种标准剂量。
It's one standard dose.
不是对所有人都有效,但我希望大家知道,还是有选择的。
It doesn't work for everyone, but I just want everyone to know that there is an option.
阴道给药或其他途径的孕激素在保护子宫内膜方面更好吗?
Are vaginal or alternative progesterone routes better for endometrial protection?
我们其实还不清楚它们在保护子宫内膜方面是否更优。
We don't really know if they're better for endometrial protection.
当我们的患者对孕激素不耐受,出现副作用,比如头晕时。
When our patients are having progesterone intolerance, meaning they're having side effects, they feel dizzy.
我以前做不孕治疗时用过孕酮,手术室里晕得厉害。
I was on quinone for fertility, and I had horrible dizziness in the Operating Room.
那时候我还在当住院医,做各种不孕治疗,用过某种孕激素,整个人都晕乎乎的。
Like, I was a resident doing all these fertility treatments, and I used a certain progestogen, and it it made me loopy.
所以我完全理解。
So I get it.
有些人对孕激素会有不良反应,我们估计大约有百分之十到十五。
Some people have about, we think, ten to fifteen percent will have an adverse reaction to progesterone.
你可以改用阴道给药的孕激素,这样就能避开肝脏的首过效应,药物直接进入血液循环。
So you can go vaginal progesterone and kinda skip that first pass effect in the liver, and it gets absorbed straight into the bloodstream.
你只需把平时吃的那种凝胶胶囊形式的雌二醇片,放进阴道里就行。
You just take the regular oral estradiol pill that has a gel cap, and you can put it in the vagina.
晚上睡觉时放进去,它会整晚慢慢溶解。
Like, when you go to bed, it will dissolve overnight.
这样就能通过阴道吸收所需的孕激素了。
You'll be able to absorb your progesterone that way.
很多患者用这种方法效果非常好。
Some patients do really, really well with that.
这确实是一个可行的选择。
So that is an option.
但目前还没有人系统比较过口服和阴道给药在子宫内膜保护方面的效果。
But no one has measured, like, oral versus a vaginal approach for endometrial protection.
常识告诉你,这种方式能直接作用于子宫。
Common sense will tell you it's getting right to the uterus immediately.
所以我们都不犹豫,直接用它来保护子宫内膜。
So none of us hesitate to use it and worry about endometrial protection.
我从来没遇到过用这种方法的患者出现子宫内膜增生。
I've never had a patient who did it that way who had any endometrial hyperplasia.
如果孕激素引起胃酸倒流、情绪波动或耐受不良,该怎么办?
What do I do if progesterone causes reflux, mood changes, or poor tolerance?
你对孕激素不耐受。
You don't tolerate progesterone.
找其他替代方案。
Look for alternatives.
杜阿维是其中一个选择。
Duavy is an option.
换成孕激素类药物,比如联合贴片。
Switching to a progestogen, something like combi patch.
我用过康比贴片好几年。
I was on Combi Patch for a couple of years.
这药并不差。
It's not a bad medication.
你可以考虑使用其他孕激素替代方案。
Using one of the progesterone alternatives may be an option for you.
或者选择曼月乐或洛雷塔这类含孕激素的宫内节育器,也是个不错的选择。
Or doing a Mirena IUD or a Loleta, you know, one of the progestin containing IUDs could be a great option for you.
乳膏、阴道栓剂或其他给药方式有效又安全吗?
Are creams, pessaries, or other delivery methods effective and safe?
听我说。
Listen.
你真正想问的是,定制配方的产品和经FDA批准的药品一样安全吗?
So think what you're really asking, are compounded options as safe as FDA approved option?
我们已经有经FDA批准的乳膏、阴道环和栓剂了。
Because we have creams, we have the rings or pessaries all available in FDA approved options.
这些都经过了测试,我可以很有把握地告诉你,它们都经过了临床试验,我们很清楚它们的安全性和有效性。
Those have been tested, and I can tell you with confidence that they ran those through clinical trials, and we know the safety efficacy of those types.
但如果你现在从配药房拿药,我也会用复方制剂。
But if you're getting them from a compounder now I use compounding.
我觉得在很多情况下,复方制剂都是个不错的选择。
I think it's a great option to have for a lot of things.
不过,我首选的激素替代疗法还是像在CVS药店就能买到的那些FDA批准的产品。
But my go to for HRT is the FDA approved options that you would pick up at CVS.
什么时候该加用睾酮?
When should testosterone be added?
这是个好问题。
Oh, good question.
没错。
Okay.
如果你有性欲减退症,我一定会跟你好好聊聊睾酮的事。
Definitely, if you have hypoactive sexual desire disorder, I'm gonna have a conversation with you about testosterone.
那是什么?
What is that?
HSDD只是对那个长名字的简单说法。
HSDD is just the easier way to say that big long thing.
指的是性欲低下,让你感到困扰。
Hypoactive, low activity of your sexual desire that causes distress.
我们都需要接受,有些女性就是再也不想有性生活了。
You need to we, we, me, we all need to normalize when women don't ever wanna have sex again.
这没什么问题。
That's okay.
这完全由你自己决定。
That is totally up to you.
只有当它让你感到痛苦时,才叫HSDD。
HSDD is when it causes you distress.
你以前有这种欲望,现在却怀念它。
You had it, you miss it.
如果你再也不在乎要不要再发生性关系,这完全没问题。
If you don't ever care if you have sex again, that's okay.
这真的完全没问题。
That is totally okay.
我说的不是这个意思。
That is not what I'm talking about here.
我们并不是想让你突然就恢复性欲。
We're not trying to magically induce a libido in you.
明白吗?
Okay?
你没有任何义务要和任何人发生性关系。
You don't owe sex to anybody.
从来没有人因为没发生性关系或没达到高潮而死去。
No one ever died because they didn't have sex or didn't have an orgasm.
确实如此。
Truth.
我直接引用蕾切尔·鲁宾的话。
And I direct quote from Rachel Rubin.
你去看看我和她做的那期播客吧,她特别棒,真的是顶尖的。
You should go watch that podcast that I did with her because she's fantastic, and she's the best.
她明确说过,没人会因为没高潮或者没性生活就死掉。
But she says clearly, no one ever died because they didn't have an orgasm or they didn't have sex.
你不会死的。
You won't die.
如果你根本不想有这方面的欲望,那也没关系。
And if you don't want to want, that is okay.
但如果你希望自己能有欲望,怀念那种亲密感,怀念所有曾经拥有的感受,我们也有办法帮你。
However, if you want to want, you miss it, you miss the intimacy, you miss whatever, you miss just all the things, we have options for you.
我们有睾酮疗法,对大多数患者都挺有效,耐受性也很好,不需要用到那种让身体变成男性的高剂量。
We have testosterone, which works pretty well in most patients, is very well tolerated, and doesn't require super physiologic doses like turning you into male giving you male doses to work.
还有一些个案经验。
There is anecdotal evidence.
我们有很多证据表明,如果你在锻炼,睾酮能帮你保持骨骼和肌肉的力量。
We have lots of evidence that suggests probably gonna help you if you're working out, gonna help you maintain your bone and muscle strength.
我们的大脑里也有睾酮受体。
There are testosterone receptors in our brain.
所有针对男性的研究都显示,心理健康和睾酮水平密切相关,整体健康、幸福感和生活质量也都和睾酮有关。
We know, like all the studies that were done in men, that mental health and testosterone are related, that overall general health, well-being, quality of life, and testosterone are related.
我们身体里的睾酮自然含量其实比雌激素还高。
We have more testosterone naturally in our bodies than we do estrogen.
听清楚了,女士们。
Be clear, ladies.
明白吗?
Okay?
我们的量当然没男人那么多。
We don't have as much as men.
大概只有男性的十分之一,但在健康年龄段,包括绝经后,我们的睾酮水平还是高于雌二醇的。
We have about a tenth of what men have, but it is still in our healthy years, postmenopausal, more than the estradiol we have.
所以我的很多患者都希望试试睾酮治疗,这很合理。
So it makes sense that so most of my patients wanna go ahead and give testosterone a try.
说明一下,目前有两款获FDA批准用于提升性欲的药物。
To be clear, there are two FDA approved medications for libido.
明白吗?
Okay?
一款叫Addyi,另一款叫Vyleesi。
One is Addy, and the other is Vyleesi.
Addyi是一种每天服用的药片。
ADDIE is a pill you take every day.
它通过促进多巴胺分泌来起作用。
It works to stimulate dopamine production.
多巴胺让人感到快乐,激发人去做让自己开心的事,对一些患者效果非常好。
Dopamine makes us happy, makes us want to do things that make us happy, and for some patient works very, very well.
但它也会让人稍微有点犯困。
It also makes you a little bit sleepy.
所以它对助眠很有帮助。
So it's great for sleeping.
你最好在睡觉前服用。
You wanna take it before you go to bed.
Vyleesi 是一种注射剂,能让你体内大量释放黑色素细胞刺激素,从而刺激多巴胺分泌。
Vyleesi is an injection that you have this massive release of melanocortin, which stimulates dopamine.
你得在活动开始前大约四十五分钟打这一针。
You wanna do that injection, I think it's forty five minutes before the onset of activity.
我的患者不太喜欢这个,主要是因为打完针后,另一边的人就像螳螂一样,盯着等药效发作。
Less popular with my patients, mostly because there seems to be a praying mantis situation on the other side of that injection waiting for it to kick in.
有效果了吗?
Like, is it working?
有效果了吗?
Is it working?
有效果了吗?
Is it working?
但归根结底,亲密就是亲密。
But again, intimacy is intimacy.
哪种方式对你有效就用哪种。
Whatever works for you.
我很高兴我们能为患者提供多种选择。
I'm so glad that we have options for our patients.
所以我们会在这个时候和患者讨论睾酮的问题。
So that is when we discuss testosterone with our patients.
睾酮能单独使用吗?特别是对乳腺癌患者或正在服用选择性雌激素受体调节剂的女性?
Can testosterone be used alone, especially in women with breast cancer or on SERMs?
当然可以,完全没问题。
Yeah, 100%, absolutely.
有哪些证据支持它的益处和风险?
What benefits and risks are supported by evidence?
对于绝经期患者来说,证据是非常明确的。
Definitely in a menopausal patient, the evidence is absolutely clear.
最大的风险似乎是不该长毛的地方长了毛,而太阳穴这些该有毛的地方却掉光了,就像男性型脱发那样。
The biggest risks seem to be hair growth where you don't want it and hair loss where you do want it here in the temple areas, like male pattern baldness.
如果剂量特别高,可能会出现阴蒂肥大、声音变低沉,而且这些变化是不可逆的。
When really high doses, you can have things like clitoral megaly and enlarged clitoris or deepening of the voice that is nonreversible.
所以如果你靠声音吃饭,比如是配音演员、歌手,或者在合唱团唱歌,更年期本身就会改变声带。
So those of you who rely on your voice, if you're a voice actor, if you are a singer, if you sing in choir, menopause already changes the vocal cords.
如果你的睾酮水平过高,声带区域可能发生肥厚,导致声音变得你自己都不喜欢,而且这种变化是不可逆的。
And then if you do end up running high on your testosterone level, you could have some hypertrophy in the area and change your voice into something that you may not like, and it is not considered to be reversible.
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我们经常聊激素如何影响情绪和精力,但它们对皮肤的影响同样重大。
We talk a lot about hormones affecting mood and energy, but they also play a major role in your skin.
胶原蛋白、水分、弹性,这些都很关键。
Collagen, hydration, elasticity.
到了中年,激素水平开始变化,皮肤也会跟着改变。
And in midlife, when hormone levels start to shift, your skin changes too.
我最早是通过一位当皮肤科医生的密友听说Alloy的。
I first heard about Alloy through a close friend who is a dermatologist.
她告诉我,真正能应对荷尔蒙引起的皮肤变化的产品少之又少。
She shared how few products truly address hormonal skin changes.
当我了解到Alloy的方案是基于荷尔蒙科学和生理学原理时,我就决定亲自试试。
Once I understood that Alloy's approach is rooted in hormone science and physiology, I decided to try it myself.
它彻底改变了我对这个年龄段护肤方式的看法。
It changed the way I think about how skincare is at this stage of life.
Alloy的M4系列包括M4面霜、M4精华液和M4眼霜。
Alloy's M4 line includes the M4 face cream, M4 face serum, and M4 eye cream.
这些是处方级配方,含有雌三醇——这是身体会自然停止产生的黄金标准荷尔蒙,并且有临床研究支持。
These are prescription strength formulas made with estriol, the gold standard hormone your body stops producing naturally, and they are backed by clinical research.
女性们希望皮肤更光滑、更有紧致感,肤色也更明亮均匀。
Women are seeking smoother looking skin, improved firmness, and a brighter, more even tone.
如果皮肤在变化,你的护肤方式也该跟着调整了。
If your skin is changing, your skin care should change too.
使用Alloy,你可以在线问诊医生,获得专业指导,产品还会直接送到你家。
With Alloy, you consult with a doctor and receive expert guidance and have your treatment delivered right to your door.
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Head to myalloi.com and use code MCH20, that's MCH20, to get $20 off your first order.
以前我觉得打扮得好看,就是化妆要堆得越多越好。
I used to think looking good meant doing the most when it came to makeup.
层层叠加,步骤繁多,产品用了一大堆。
More layers, more steps, way too many products.
可结果还是不像我自己。
And somehow, it still didn't look like me.
这当然不像你了。
Well, of course it didn't.
我一直在遮盖皮肤,而不是让皮肤自然呈现真实的自己。
I was covering up my skin instead of actually letting it look like me.
正因如此,Jones Road Beauty对我而言简直是颠覆性的改变,尤其是那些赶时间出门、却还想看起来精神一点的早晨。
And that's exactly why Jones Road Beauty has been such a game changer for me, especially on those mornings when I'm running out the door, but still want to feel a little more put together.
我就是随手拿一下奇迹膏,就这么简单。
I just grab the miracle balm and that's it.
几秒钟就能打造出自然的光泽感。
It gives me that effortless glow in seconds.
我之所以这么喜欢,是因为这个:
And here's why I love it.
它把所有步骤都简化了。
It simplifies everything.
腮红,搞定。
Blush, check.
修容,搞定。
Bronzer, check.
高光,没问题。
Highlight, yep.
抹一点在嘴唇上也行。
Even a little on your lips.
这等于把整个护肤化妆流程都浓缩成一步了。
It's basically your entire routine in one step.
不用纠结,也不费时间,就是让我做回自己。
No overthinking, no extra time, just me feeling like myself.
如果你想要更浓一点的遮盖效果,可以试试他们新出的粉底棒。
And if you want a little more coverage, try their new foundation stick.
质地轻盈,可叠加,能打造出顺滑自然的妆感,完全不会显厚重。
It's lightweight, buildable, and gives you that smooth, natural finish without ever looking cakey.
现代妆容就该这么干净、有策略、多功能,让日常打扮轻松无负担。
Modern day makeup that's clean, strategic, and multifunctional for effortless routines.
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For a limited time, our listeners are getting a free gift on their first purchase when they use the code UNPAUSED at checkout.
去 jonesroadbeauty.com 下单,结账时记得输入 UNPAUSED 这个代码。
Just head to jonesroadbeauty.com and use the code UNPAUSED at checkout.
买完之后,他们会问你是从哪儿了解到他们的。
After you purchase, they will ask you where you heard about them.
请支持我们的节目,告诉他们你是从我们这儿听说的。
Please support our show and tell them our show sent you.
如果我不能举重,或者刚做完子宫切除手术,该怎么保护骨骼呢?
How can I protect bone if I can't lift or if I'm early post hysterectomy?
所以我采访了一位医生。
So I interviewed Doctor.
她是乔塞琳·维特斯坦,在我们的播客里。
Jocelyn Wittstein stein here on the podcast.
她是一位骨科医生,也是我们所知的第一位发现肩周炎与更年期、肩周炎与乳腺癌治疗之间关联并发表论文的临床专家。
She's an orthopedic surgeon, and she basically is the first clinician that we know of that made the connection and wrote the papers between frozen shoulder and menopause, and frozen shoulder and breast cancer treatment.
她是我心目中的英雄。
She is my hero.
她在自己的平台上做了大量关于骨质疏松预防的科普,特别是针对那些不能负重、不能跳跃的人。
She does a ton of education on her page about osteoporosis prevention, including for those of you who can't do heavy lifting, who can't jump.
她提供了很多替代方案。
She has lots and lots of alternatives.
她还写了一本《全身骨骼与关节养护计划》,我们会在节目笔记里放上链接,里面包含食谱、锻炼方法,还有她亲自示范这些动作的图片。
And she wrote the and we'll put it in the show notes, the Total Body Bone and Joint Plan, and they have recipes, exercises, pictures of her doing all these different exercises.
所以我建议你们关注她,去她的Instagram上看看。
So I would invest in her, following her on Instagram.
她是一位真正的医生,持有正规认证。
She is also a real doctor, board certified.
她有三四个专业认证,真是厉害。
She has like three or four certifications, and gah.
她是经过认证的骨科外科医生,专长运动医学,还接受过多项专科培训。
She's a board certified orthopedic surgeon and sports medicine and fellowships.
可以说,在女性健康、运动医学、骨科损伤,尤其是冻结肩和骨骼强健方面,她是全球最受尊敬的临床专家之一。
And I mean, she's like one of the most highly regarded clinicians on the planet when it comes to women's health, sports medicine, orthopedic injuries, etcetera, and frozen shoulder, and how to keep your bones strong.
为什么有些女性在使用激素替代疗法后会出现高血压、腹胀或体重增加?
Why do some women develop high blood pressure, bloating, or weight gain on HRT?
这是个非常好的问题。
Great question.
高血压通常和口服雌二醇关系更大,而不是经皮贴剂。
So hypertension is usually more related to oral estradiol than transdermal.
如果你正在服用口服药并出现了高血压,可以考虑换用非口服形式,看看血压会不会改善。
So if you're on oral and you've developed high blood pressure, you would want to ask to be switched to a non oral form to see if your hypertension resolves.
进入更年期后,你的肠道菌群会发生变化。
Your gut microbiome changes when you go through menopause.
明白吗?
Okay?
更年期期间,体内的炎症水平也会升高。
Your inflammation levels increase when you go through menopause.
幸运的是,激素替代疗法中的睾酮是一种同化类固醇。
Fortunately, the weight gain on HRT testosterone's an anabolic steroid.
只要是同化类的物质,都可能导致体重增加。
So anything anabolic can make you gain weight.
你的骨头在长吗?
Are your bones growing?
你的肌肉在增长吗?
Are your muscles growing?
这是体重增加。
That's weight gain.
这是体重增加。
That's weight gain.
你是不是因为肠胃里积了太多气体、空气或者液体而胀气?
Are you bloated because you have tons of gas, air, liquid, I mean, in your in your gut?
这会让你看起来腹部隆起,而且特别不舒服。
That could make you look distended and very, very unhappy.
刚开始接受激素治疗时,尤其是口服药物,你的肠胃需要适应一段时间。
When you're first starting on hormone therapy, your gut, especially if you're doing oral, your gut is gonna have to adjust.
这可能会引起胀气或不适,但通常只是暂时的,过一段时间就会缓解。
And that may cause some bloating, some discomfort, but it's usually self limited and goes away over time.
睡眠呼吸暂停、胰岛素抵抗或炎症有影响吗?
Does sleep apnea, insulin resistance, or inflammation play a role?
更年期的时候,腹部脂肪确实会明显增加。
In menopause, abs, fucking lutely yes.
女性在更年期后,睡眠呼吸暂停的发生率会大幅上升。
Women see a dramatic increase in sleep apnea.
我曾经请到一位非常出色的医生。
And I had the incredible Doctor.
安德莉亚·马图苏拉医生来做过播客,她是睡眠医学专家,详细讲过这些内容。
Andrea Matsumura on the podcast who is a sleep medicine specialist, and she goes into detail about all of this.
真的非常值得你听一听。
It is so worth your listen.
因为我学到了一点重要的事。
Because here's what I learned.
女性的睡眠呼吸暂停问题被严重低估了。
Sleep apnea is massively underdiagnosed in women.
因为女性打鼾没男性那么明显,所以容易被忽略。
We don't snore as much as men, so it's not recognized.
但女性会出现缺氧。
But women are hypoxic.
我们之所以能发现这个问题,是因为很多人戴了各种类型的穿戴设备,都在监测血氧饱和度。
And one of the ways we are picking it up is that so many of us are wearing trackers of different types that are tracking our oxygen saturation.
如果你在睡觉时血氧水平持续偏低,半夜醒来,血糖正常,也不是潮热,那就要警惕了,这很可能是睡眠呼吸暂停,女性中这种病非常普遍,但常常被忽略,长期下去会对健康造成严重影响。
So if you're getting a pattern of low oxygen levels while you sleep, and if you're waking up from sleep, you know, in the middle of the night, and your blood sugar is fine, you're not having a hot flash, this is consistent, you deserve to be evaluated for sleep apnea because it is so common in women, and we are missing it, and they are suffering long term because of it.
为什么用了阴道雌激素,尿急和漏尿还是持续存在?
Why do urgency and leaks persist despite vaginal estrogen?
这是个好问题。
Great question.
那我们为什么会漏尿呢?
So why do we leak?
为什么会尿失禁呢?
Why do we leak urine?
这确实是个好问题。
That's a great question.
所以我跟病人解释,这跟解剖结构有关,就是身体的构造问题。
So I explain it to patients that there's anatomic reasons, meaning the anatomy.
我们有个膀胱。
So we have our bladder.
如果你在视频里看着我,我用手比划一下,这儿是膀胱,然后连着一根尿道,像根小管子伸出来,对吧?
So if you're watching me on video, I'm trying to my hand out here is a bladder, and then we have a urethra with a little tube that comes out, right?
然后就是这样。
And then like that.
年轻健康的时候,尿道下面有一层支撑组织。
And so when we're young and healthy, we have a sling that goes under the urethra.
把膀胱里的尿排出去的那根管子,叫尿道。
The tube that drains the bladder is called the urethra.
那层支撑组织会在你咳嗽、大笑、打喷嚏或者跳跃时,把尿道稳稳托住,明白吗?
There's a sling there that when we cough and laugh and sneeze and jump, the sling holds that urethra in place, okay?
但生完孩子、有产伤,或者年纪大了,要是经常咳嗽、胶原蛋白差、营养不良、体重超标,那层支撑就会松垮。
But after we have babies and we have obstetric injury and we get older, if you cough a lot, if you have poor collagen, if you're malnourished, if you're obese, that sling goes out.
明白吗?
Okay?
你就会逐渐失去这个支撑。
You start losing that sling.
一旦盆底受到压力——比如跳跃、大笑、咳嗽或打喷嚏,这个支撑失效,尿就会漏出来。
And then your ability to hold onto urine when you're stressed, when you physically go through a stress in the pelvic floor, like jumping, laughing, coughing, sneezing, that sling fails and you leak.
这叫做压力性尿失禁。
That is called stress incontinence.
还有一种叫急迫性尿失禁。
Now we have something called urge incontinence.
虽然表现一样,都是漏尿,但原因完全不同。
It's very different with the same outcome, you leak.
这是膀胱不自主地抽搐,膀胱壁全是肌肉,突然就一阵痉挛。
So it is an involuntary spasm of the bladder, meaning the bladder wall is full of muscle and it just starts spasming.
这到底是为什么呢?
Why does that happen?
这可能是由炎症引起的。
It can be because of inflammation.
也可能是随着年龄增长出现的。
It could be because of aging.
也可能是神经系统传给膀胱的信号出了问题。
It could be because of signaling, bad signaling coming, you know, to the bladder itself from our nervous system.
尿急性失禁有时会有诱因,比如你拿钥匙开门,膀胱就突然抽搐了。
So urge incontinence, sometimes there's a trigger and you can, like, put a key in the lock and it triggers your bladder to spasm.
你一下子就觉得急着要上厕所。
You all of a sudden feel like you have to go.
赶紧往厕所跑,结果半路上就漏了,或者根本来不及。
And you start running to the bathroom and you leak usually on the way or you just can't make it.
每个人偶尔都会这样,可惜啊。
Now everybody does that from time to time, unfortunately.
但对有些人来说,这就成了一种常态。
But for others, it's just a pattern.
幸运的是,这种急迫性尿失禁可以通过药物来治疗。
And so fortunately, this is treated, this urge incontinence is treated with medication.
它作用于副交感神经,帮助放松膀胱壁。
It's a parasympathetic action and it calms the bladder wall.
常用的药物之一是奥昔布宁,或者它的长效制剂。
Side effects oxybutynin is usually one of the meds that we use or one of the long acting forms.
可能会引起口干、眼干这些副作用。
And it can cause dry mouth, dry eyes.
所以,具体怎么治,还得跟医生仔细聊聊。
So again, nuanced conversation with your doctor on how to treat that.
如果是更年期相关的泌尿综合征,雌激素水平正常时,泌尿系统功能通常会更好。
So if it's just GSM, so general urinary syndrome of menopause, everything kind of acts better, acts more healthy in the presence of estrogen.
我们一般先给身体补充一点雌激素,看看症状有没有改善。
So the first thing we usually do is give your general urinary system estrogen back and then see how the symptoms are.
如果还是没好,那就得进一步检查是不是压力性尿失禁了。
And if they persist, then we need further evaluation for stress incontinence.
那该怎么治疗呢?
How do we treat that?
通常是手术解决。
Generally surgical.
明白吗?
Okay?
就是通过手术把吊带重新提上去。
Some surgical way to lift that sling back up.
也可以用子宫托,或者其他一些方法。
There's also pessaries and some other things we can do.
但如果你身体好、年纪轻,能承受手术,修复吊带的手术创伤很小。
But if you're healthy and young and can tolerate surgery, it's a very minimally invasive procedure to have that sling repaired.
大多数患者术后恢复得都非常好。
And most patients do really, really well with it.
这类手术通常由泌尿妇科医生或专攻女性解剖的泌尿科医生来做。
That's typically done by a urogynecologist or a urologist with special training in female anatomy.
但你不该漏尿。
But you should not be leaking.
成年人根本不需要用纸尿裤。
We should see no diapers for adults.
真的不该这样。
We shouldn't.
每次看到纸尿裤货架,我都很难过,因为我得给妈妈买。
That makes me sad every time I see the diaper aisle, because I to buy them for my mother.
我们怎么会允许这种情况发生?
How do we let this happen?
我们为什么要这样对待女性?
Why are we doing this to women?
你想想,女性尿失禁的比例远高于男性,真的让人心酸。
You know, when you look at the percentage of women that end up being incontinent versus men, it's really sad.
男性也会有尿失禁的问题。
Men get incontinence too.
但每当我看到性别之间的差异,我就感到难过,忍不住想为什么会有这样的情形。
But, you know, when I see sex based differences, it just makes me sad and wonder why.
我们怎么能让这种情况继续下去?
Why are we allowing this to happen?
除了荷尔蒙治疗,还有什么其他办法能帮上忙?
What else can help beyond hormones?
盆底肌物理治疗。
Pelvic floor physical therapy.
盆底肌物理治疗真的能改变人生。
Pelvic floor physical therapy can change your life.
我觉得每个生过孩子的女性都应该接受这项治疗。
I think it should be mandatory for every single woman who has a baby.
想想看,怀孕后期肚子里揣着个大西瓜,还得靠盆底肌把它生出来,这得多大压力。
Think about the stress we're putting on our pelvic floor, carrying a giant watermelon around at the end of pregnancy, and then pushing such watermelon out of our pelvic floor.
我们身体里那些组织都被拉伤、撕裂、磨损了,可它们并不一定能自己恢复。
We are ripping and herring and shredding things that don't necessarily bounce back.
我认为,任何涉及生殖器官的手术——无论是子宫切除术,还是其他任何相关操作,尤其是生完孩子之后,哪怕是剖腹产——都应该常规评估盆底功能。
And everyone should be evaluated, I think, for pelvic floor PT as a normal routine part of any any genital surgery, any any hysterectomy, anytime we're jacking with anything down there, especially after having a baby, even a C section.
你有权利接受盆底评估和科学管理,这样才能过上真正高质量的生活。
You deserve to have your pelvic floor evaluated and managed so that you can live your best life.
哪些补充剂?
Which supplements?
来了。
Here we go.
好的。
Okay.
我得先说明一下,医生。
Full disclosure, Doctor.
哈弗有自己的保健品公司。
Haver has supplement company.
所以我说的每一句话,你都得留个心眼,你完全没必要从我这儿买,我提供的建议都是通用性的。
So take everything I say with a grain of salt, know that you do not have to buy from me, and that the advice I give you is generic.
我就不告诉你我卖哪些补品了。
I'm not even gonna tell you what supplements I sell.
明白吗?
Okay?
你得自己去网站上查。
You have to go to the website and look it up.
她列了Omega、镁、胶原蛋白、辅酶Q10、NAD这些等等。
She lists omega, magnesium, collagen, CoQ10, NAD, etcetera.
好吧。
Okay.
真希望没人需要吃补品。
I wish that no one needed a supplement.
真希望你们天天吃天然全食物,让我这生意直接黄了。
I wish you could put me out of business by just eating whole world foods all the time.
可惜啊,现在大多数人的生活方式就是这样。
Unfortunately, most people, it's just the way we live.
我们这儿有食物荒漠。
We have food deserts.
不是想吃啥就能吃到啥。
It's not always available.
光靠饮食很难满足所有的营养需求。
It's hard to meet all of those nutritional checkboxes with your diet alone.
这时候补充剂就该派上用场了。
And that's where supplements should come in.
补充剂应该是对健康饮食的补充,而不是替代。
Supplements should supplement a healthy diet.
话虽如此,我们在诊所里看到的是什么情况呢?
Now that being said, what do we see in our clinics?
我们只接诊更年期患者。
We only take care of menopause patients.
大多数女性,因为年龄增长,更年期后肠道菌群变化,再加上为了防皮肤癌,我们又特别注意防晒。
Most women, due to the aging process, due to the microbiome changing across menopause, due to the way we are protecting, rightly so our skin against the sun so we don't get skin cancer.
如果你还不相信晒太阳会导致皮肤癌,那你听错节目了。
If you don't believe sun causes skin cancer, you are listening to the wrong podcast.
你该换个频道了。
You need to move on.
我们普遍缺乏维生素D。
We are deficient in vitamin D.
我们对患者做血液检测时发现,百分之八十的人不仅偏低,简直是严重缺乏维生素D。
Eighty percent of my patients when we surveyed the labs are not just low, deficient in vitamin D.
缺乏维生素D,意思是你的摄入量连身体基本功能都维持不了。
A deficiency means that you are not getting enough vitamin D to reach the basic minimum processes.
明白吗?
Okay?
这跟理想水平是两回事。
That's different than optimal.
理想水平,是指你摄入的量足够让身体所有系统都运转在最佳状态。
Optimal means you're getting enough for everything to be working at an optimal level.
从严重缺乏到达到理想水平,中间差距很大。
There's a big gap between I am horribly deficient and I am at an optimal level.
所以你得知道自己的维生素D水平是多少。
So you should know what your vitamin D level is.
在我们诊所,我们尽量让患者的维生素D水平保持在60到100之间。
In our clinic, we try to make sure that our patients are reaching a level of 60 to about a 100.
明白吗?
Okay?
缺乏的起点是30。
Deficiency starts at 30.
我们实验室认定缺乏的临界值是30。
The cutoff for deficiency in our labs is 30.
但光是刚过线还不够。
But that's not enough.
我们不希望你只是勉强超过那个标准。
We don't want you to just be barely over the line.
我们希望你的维生素D水平达到最佳状态。
We want you to be at an optimal level.
所以我们的每位患者都会检查维生素D水平。
So all of our patients, we are checking a vitamin D level.
如果水平偏低,有时我们会开大剂量处方,每天五万国际单位。
If it is low, sometimes we have to give them a prescription amount, which is fifty thousand IUs per day.
先用这个剂量快速补充,之后建议每天补充两千到四千国际单位。
We'll do that as a loading dose, and then we're recommending somewhere between two thousand and four thousand IU per day.
你要是听过丽莎·莫斯康的播客,就是我们之前做的那期关于大脑健康的,跟医生聊过之后就会明白。
When you talk to Lisa Moscone, another fantastic podcast that we did, and brain health, when you talk to Doctor.
路易莎·尼古拉这两位大脑健康专家,对欧米伽-3脂肪酸都有很多见解。
Luisa Nicola, the two brain health specialists all have tremendous amount of things to say about omega-three fatty acids.
明白吗?
Okay?
如果能从饮食中摄取,那就再好不过了。
If you can get them in your diet, great.
挺难做到的。
Hard to do.
挺难做到的。
Hard to do.
所以你可以考虑每天补充大约两千毫克的欧米伽-3脂肪酸,包括DHA和EPA。
So you may wanna consider supplementing somewhere around two thousand milligrams of omega three fatty acids, which includes DHA and EPA.
明白吗?
Okay?
如果你是素食者或纯素食者,那就更难一些了。
If you are a vegan or vegetarian, that's gonna be a little tougher to do.
你得加大剂量,因为需要选择藻类来源的。
You're gonna have to go higher on that level because you're gonna have to get, like, an algae based.
Nordic Naturals品牌出的这款产品,特别适合素食者和纯素食者补充欧米伽-3脂肪酸。
Nordic Naturals makes a really nice one for a vegan or vegetarian form of that omega three fatty acid.
幸运的是,这种脂肪酸在富含油脂的鱼类中含量很高。
Fortunately, it's found in large amounts in fatty fish.
对于我们的患者,我们通常建议把维生素D、欧米伽-3脂肪酸搭配起来,再加一点维生素K,帮助提高吸收效果。
So for our patients, we usually recommend a combo of vitamin D with omega-three fatty acids and throw in some vitamin K in there for increased absorption.
这样一次就能把这几个关键营养素都补到位了。
And it's a real tidy way to kind of hit those nutrients at once.
你必须清楚知道自己每天到底吃了多少纤维。
You should know beyond the shadow of a doubt how much fiber you are getting per day.
实话跟你说吧。
And here's the truth.
大多数女性每天只摄入十到十二毫克的纤维,但你至少需要二十五毫克。
Most women are getting ten to twelve milligrams of fiber in their diet per day, and you need minimum of 25.
为了心脏健康,女性最好能达到三十五毫克。
Optimal for heart health is 35 for women.
所以我建议你一天之内把纤维摄入量增加三倍?
So am suggesting you triple your fiber intake in one day?
绝对不建议这样。
Absolutely not.
你的肠胃会受不了,会胀气,还会讨厌我,甚至说我的坏话。
Your gut will not be happy, you will be bloated, and you'll hate me, and you'll say mean things about me.
明白吗?
Okay?
这事儿得慢慢来,一点一点加进去。
This is something you need to slowly introduce over time.
饮食中纤维来源越丰富越好,比如坚果、种子、豆类、蔬菜、水果,还有全谷物。
The more variety of sources of fiber that you get in your diet, and that is things like nuts, seeds, legumes, vegetables, fruits, whole food.
如果你能从食物里每天摄取三十五克纤维,那最好不过了——我就特别爱吃牛油果,每天一个,能帮我补不少纤维。
If you can get thirty five grams a day from your food, avocado, I'm like an avocado a day ish girl, and that helps me get a ton of fiber in my diet.
太棒了。
Amazing.
就这么办吧。
Go for it.
实在做不到的话,吃点纤维补充剂也完全没问题。
If you can't, supplementing with fiber, it's basically harmless.
这对你不会造成伤害。
It's not gonna hurt you.
通常价格还挺便宜的。
It's usually pretty cheap.
选一种以车前子壳为基础、最好还添加了其他营养成分的产品,是个不错的选择,我自己也在补纤维。
Using something with a base of psyllium husk, hopefully, with some other nutrients added to it would be a reasonable thing to do, and I supplement my own fiber.
我每天大概吃八克的补充剂。
I use about an eight gram supplement on a daily basis.
我觉得肌酸这东西挺值得考虑的。
I think creatine is something.
我们虽然不常规检测人体内的肌酸水平,但数据很清楚:对女性,尤其是更年期女性,好处非常明确,哪怕你不举重。
We don't measure creatine levels in humans, but the data is very clear on the benefits to women, the benefits to women in menopause, even if you're not lifting weights.
如果你确实有在举重,那研究显示,肌酸和蛋白质摄入之间有种协同作用。
Definitely, if you are lifting weights you know, when we look at the studies done on creatine and strength training, it seems to be a synergistic thing with protein intake.
针对女性的研究表明,每天补充三克或五克都有明显效果。
So the studies for women were done showing benefits at three and benefits at five.
现在你看北卡罗来纳州艾比·史密斯·莱恩的研究,医生。
And now when you look at Abby Smith Ryan's work coming out of North Carolina, Doctor.
史密斯·莱恩正在大量研究围绝经期和绝经期女性,发现的好处不仅限于肌肉和骨骼。
Smith Ryan, she is doing a lot of work on women in perimenopause and menopause and seeing benefits outside of just muscle and bone.
我们还看到对心理健康和认知功能的益处。
We're seeing mental health, we're seeing cognition.
所以你最好慢慢开始补充肌酸。
So you wanna kind of ease into creatine.
每天先从三克开始,抱歉,我说错了。
Start with about three milligrams per day, and then you Gram, sorry.
之后可以逐渐加量。
And then you can increase.
我平时一般吃五克。
I, on a regular basis, do five.
但当我旅行、压力大、睡得不好,或者进行高强度训练时,我会增加到每天十克。
But when I'm traveling or stressed or didn't sleep well, and certainly on like heavy, heavy lifting days, I double that up to 10 per day.
我们再看看他们还问了些什么。
Let's see what else did they ask about.
关于辅酶Q10,其实已经有不少研究针对更年期女性,探讨它对心脏的潜在益处,这个值得你去了解一下。
CoQ10, really great studies actually done on menopausal women looking at potential heart benefits of CoQ10, something you should probably look into.
我就不参与关于NAD的讨论了。
I'm gonna stay out of the NAD conversation.
我觉得那更多是健康养生圈子里的话题。
Again, I think that's more with the wellness crowd.
我还没看到足够多针对更年期女性的研究数据,能让我对NAD感到兴奋,或者在我的诊所里推荐它。
I haven't seen enough data done in menopausal women showing benefit for me to be excited about NAD or to recommend it in my clinic.
欢迎回到另一个Midi Pause。
Welcome back to another Midi Pause.
我是医生。
I'm Doctor.
玛丽·克莱尔·哈弗,UnPaused节目的主持人。
Mary Claire Haver, host of UnPaused.
在医疗方面,没有一种方案适合所有人。
When it comes to healthcare, there's no one size fits all solution.
当你用量身定制、个性化的办法应对症状时,找到真正需要的解决方案的机会会大得多。
When you face your symptoms with a tailored, individual approach, you'll have a better chance of finding the solutions you need.
Midi Health 提供的是现代化、有科学依据的护理,专为这个生命阶段的女性设计。
Midi Health is modern, evidence based care designed specifically for women in this stage of life.
你能接触到理解你身体变化的医生,并获得个性化的治疗方案。
You get access to clinicians who understand what's happening in your body, along with personalized treatment plans.
更年期远不止是潮热那么简单。
Menopause is so much more than just hot flashes.
通过研究和亲身经历,我们越来越清楚,这些荷尔蒙变化会波及身体几乎每一个系统。
What we're continuing to understand, through both research and lived experience, is that these hormonal shifts can ripple through nearly every system in the body.
而且它们并不总是以明显的方式表现出来。
And they don't always present in obvious ways.
对很多女性来说,这是一系列症状的集合,一开始可能觉得彼此无关——比如关节不适、心悸、脑雾、皮肤变化,甚至有刺痛感或焦虑加重。
For many women, it's a collection of symptoms that can feel disconnected at first joint discomfort, heart palpitations, brain fog, skin changes, even tingling sensation or a rise in anxiety.
这种情况特别复杂的地方在于,这些症状经常被忽视。
What makes this especially complex is just how often these experiences are dismissed.
很多女性都被告诉说,这只是压力大而已。
So many women are told it's just stress.
但当你用更年期的视角来看待这些变化时,就会豁然开朗。
But when you begin to view these changes through the lens of menopause, it can bring a completely different level of clarity.
这不仅让人感到被理解,也让你真正明白发生了什么,更知道有切实有效的方法可以应对。
There's validation and understanding what's actually happening, and real empowerment in knowing there are effective ways to address it.
改变从制定个人计划开始。
Progress starts with a personal plan.
预约Midi Health的首次咨询,不到十分钟就能搞定。
Booking your first visit with Midi Health takes less than ten minutes.
找一个真正懂你状况的专家聊聊,非常重要。
It's important to talk with an expert who understands what you're experiencing.
这才是真正的个性化护理。
That's personalized care.
Midi Health 正在重新定义医疗保健的标准。
Midi Health is setting a new standard for healthcare.
作为全美增长最快的女性远程医疗公司,Midi 提供保险覆盖的便捷服务。
As the nation's fastest growing women's telehealth company, Midi provides accessible insurance covered services.
Midi 填补了女性在围绝经期和绝经期面临的重大医疗空白。
Midi fills the critical health gaps women face in perimenopause and menopause.
如果你需要一位真正懂你身体和大脑当前需求的医生,Midi 就在你身边。
If you want a clinician in your corner who understands what your body and brain need right now, Midi is there for you.
前往 joinmidi.com 了解更多。
Go to joinmidi.com.
访问 joinmidi.com,今天就与他们的医生取得联系。
Join midi.com and connect with one of their clinicians today.
针灸或饮食调整能有效缓解症状吗?
Can acupuncture or diet meaningfully improve symptoms?
明白了。
Okay.
我们有很多生活方式上的调整,都能有效缓解更年期症状。
So we have lots of lifestyle things that we know can improve your symptoms of menopause.
你可以改善潮热、关节疼痛、体重增加、胰岛素抵抗,还有肠道健康,所有这些问题都能得到改善。
You can improve your hot flashes, you can improve your joint pain, you can improve your weight gain, you can improve your insulin resistance, your gut health, all of the things.
所以我谈更年期护理时,总是在我们诊所的框架下,把它看作一个工具箱。
So when I talk about menopause care, I always do it in the framework in our clinics of a toolkit.
明白吗?
Okay?
这正是我写的《新更年期》一书的核心内容。
This was the basis of my book, The New Menopause.
这就是更年期工具箱。
It is the menopause toolkit.
我们要怎么优化你的饮食?
And it is looking at how can we optimize your nutrition?
哪些方面还存在缺口?
Where are the gaps?
你每天摄入多少纤维?
How much fiber are you getting?
你摄取的蛋白质够不够,来维持骨骼和肌肉质量?
Are you getting enough protein to maintain your bone and muscle mass?
说到运动,你有没有做足够且合适的有氧运动来保护心脏健康?
Or, you know, when we look at exercise, are you doing enough of the right kind of cardio to maintain your heart health?
你有没有做足够的力量训练来保持骨骼和肌肉强健?
Are you doing, you know, enough lifting to keep your bones and muscles strong?
这些对你来说具体该怎么做?
What is that gonna look like for you?
我们还要关注减压问题。
We're looking at stress reduction.
我觉得现在有必要专门谈一谈这一点。
And I think it's important that I talk about this here now.
我之前做了一次深入研究。
I was doing a deep dive.
说实话,我经常思考长寿这件事。
You know, I think about a lot a lot about longevity.
我不想在这儿谈得太政治化。
And I don't wanna get too political here.
当我们讨论长寿,以及它现在被怎么推动的时候——特别是最近曝光的一些文件和某些医生的丑闻——你得小心,别把长寿当成一种信仰来崇拜。
When we look at the longevity conversation and how it's being driven and given, you know, what's happened with the files that have been released recently and revelations about certain physicians, I I think you have to be careful about wor worshiping at the altar of longevity.
我觉得这些讨论对女性并不适用,因为我主要照顾女性。
I think the conversation isn't relevant to women because I take care of women.
我会认真听女性的声音。
I listen to women.
我知道她们真正需要什么、想要什么。
I know what their needs and wants are.
我接触的这类人,几乎没有,或者一个都没有。
And I don't have very many, if any.
有几个人在社交媒体上说,他们想活到一百二十岁。
A couple of people on social media have said, I wanna live to 120.
我们诊所里,我从来没遇到过一个病人走进来就说,我想活得越久越好。
I can't think of a single one in our clinic who has walked in the door and said, I wanna live as long as possible.
我从没想过要死。
I never wanna die.
我希望死亡不是必然的。
I want dying to be optional.
这些话他们从来不会说出口。
That does not come out of their mouths.
他们跟我讲的是这些:
Here's what they say to me.
我想成为别人的依靠,而不是负担。
I wanna be a benefactor and not a burden.
我想尽可能久地陪在家人身边。
I wanna be with my loved ones for as long as possible.
我想好好享受那些时光。
I want to enjoy those years.
你猜怎么着?
Because guess what?
女性不用做任何事,也能在长寿赛跑中胜出。
Women win the longevity race doing nothing.
现在,我们的寿命比男性平均长六七年左右。
Right now, we live six ish years longer than our male counterparts.
问题就在这儿。
Here's the problem.
但我们并不更健康。
We are not as healthy.
在这些多出来的日子里,我们更多时间都被慢性病困扰。
We are spending more of that life plagued with chronic conditions.
我们需要长期住进护理院的可能性是男性的两倍。
We're twice as likely to require long term nursing home admissions.
我们更容易因身体衰弱而失去自理能力,从而丧失独立性;女性患阿尔茨海默病和痴呆症的概率更是男性的三倍。
We are twice as likely to lose our independence because we become so frail we can't take care of ourselves, or women are three times more likely to develop Alzheimer's and dementia than their male counterparts.
这些病也会发生在男性身上。
These diseases happen to men.
我们当中有一半的女性,在去世前都会经历一次骨质疏松性骨折。
Woman can expect to have an fifty percent of us will have an osteoporotic fracture before we die.
一半。
Fifty percent.
明白吗?
Okay?
降低这些风险的窗口期,越早开始越好。
The runway to decrease those risks starts as early as possible.
不管你现在是什么状态,改变这些数据永远都不晚,但你得主动去努力。
However you are listening to me, it is never too late to change those statistics, but we have to work at it.
当我研究长寿相关的文献、书籍,还有网上那些男性专家的讨论时,发现他们完全没提一个关键问题:创伤和性侵。
When I look at the longevity literature and the books that have been written and all the bros talking online, here's one key thing they're not discussing, trauma and sexual assault.
数据显示,童年时期遭受性侵,如果得不到治疗,会缩短你的寿命。
When I looked at the data, a history of childhood sexual assault will decrease your longevity if untreated.
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