干飞钓很难，但没人告诉你为什么 | 第191集

对，确实有。

Yes, there are.

不过说实话，我心里一直觉得迟早能碰上那种大爆发，结果一直没发生。我就有点纳闷，是我技术不行，还是漏掉了什么关键信息？

But, yeah, like, I in my head, I felt like eventually, was gonna fish into this great hatch and it kinda never happened and I was sort of, like, shoot, like, do I suck at this or am I missing something?

到底是怎么回事呢？

Like, what what's the deal here?

是的。

Yes.

所以我觉得，尤其是社交媒体上，确实是这样。

And so I do think and I think especially with social media, like, see Yes.

你知道的，人们举着三十英寸的褐鱼，他们钓鱼的时候走进一个孵化场，到处拍那些虫子。

You know, people holding up 30 inch browns and they're, you know, fishing, you know, they walk into a hatch and they film just bugs everywhere.

我觉得新手们会以为，哦，钓鱼就该是这样的。

And I think as beginners, we think like, oh, that's what fishing's gonna be.

而且很多人

Every And a lot

大部分时候并不是这样。

of the time, it's not.

对。

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

每天都这样。

Every day.

其实很多时候并不是那样的。

And it's it's not that way a lot of the time.

嗯，说到我们遇到的干飞羽化期，我觉得我得再多补充几点注意事项。

Well, I I I need to add more caveats than when I talk about the dry fly hatches that we get into.

不过我确实觉得，从夏天到秋天，傍晚时分还是能看到相当不错的羽化现象的，对吧？

I I do think you see a fairly decent amount of hatches in the evenings through summer and into fall though, don't

是吧？

you?

是的。

Yes.

当然。

For sure.

对。

Yeah.

这也是我注意到的，特别是刚开始钓鱼的头一年半，大部分时间我都是中午有空。

And that's something that I've noticed too is, like, when I was especially these last the first year and a half of fishing, is most of the time I would have time, you know, middle of the day.

好的。

Okay.

或者就是下午三点到五点，或者三点到六点能去钓鱼。

Or it was like, I would be able to fish from like three to five or three to six.

就是只有几个小时能出去。

Like, I just had a few hours where I could go out.

现在钓鱼多了，特别是这次旅行，我才发现，哦，原来这就是昆虫孵化时的样子。

And now that I've fished a little bit more and especially on this trip, I mean, I was like, oh, this is what a hatch looks like.

对。

Yeah.

比如，晚点收工，或者早点起床，更有可能的是你会

Like, you stay out a little bit later, maybe you get up a little bit earlier, more more than likely you're gonna

好的。

Okay.

多卖出一批鱼苗。

Sell a little hatch.

所以与其说是我卖给你假货，不如说是时机没掌握好。

So it's less of I sold you fake goods and more of more of just not having the timing down.

可能也没完全搞懂时机这块儿的问题。

Maybe not understanding the timing part of it too.

对。

Yeah.

是的。

Yeah.

我

I

觉得

think

这是时间在一天中重要性的一个方面，对吧。

that's And how part of important time of the day is and Okay.

天气也很重要，比如如果是晴天的话。

When weather too, like if it's Yes.

我注意到，比如下毛毛雨的日子，你知道，那种蓝色调都消失了，是的。

Like I've noticed like the drizzly days, you know, the the bluing it all has come off Yeah.

稍微好一点。

A little bit a little bit nicer.

对吧？

Right?

尤其是在春天。

Especially in the spring.

是的。

Yeah.

所以这点我之前其实没太在意，虽然听说过，但当你正处在忙碌阶段，比如上大学、结婚或者忙其他事的时候，很多时候你只有短短几个小时能去钓鱼。

And so that's something that I didn't really and I don't and like I had heard I had heard that, but when you're in the thick of, you know, going to college or getting married or whatever it is, it's like a lot of the time you only have a couple hours to fish.

你能去的时候才能去，而且得好好利用。对。

You you can only go when you can go and you gotta make Yeah.

把时间充分利用起来

The most of

没错。

Exactly.

所以这事儿确实有点棘手，对吧，想找点线索都不容易。

And so it's that can get kinda tricky to, yeah, to see to find some hatches.

对。

Yeah.

所以不行。

So no.

这真的特别有意思，因为吸引我的一大原因也是那些鱼群活跃期。

That's just so interesting because that's I that's a big part of what drew me to it as well was the hatches.

对。

Yeah.

这也是我为什么这么喜欢干飞钓的原因。

And that's why I love dry fly fishing so much.

而且我也特别幸运，经常能赶上好多鱼群活跃期。

But then I'm I'm also extremely lucky I get to get into a lot of hatches too.

所以，是的。

So Yeah.

不是的。

No.

你刚才说的那种经历挺有意思的，确实是这样。

That's that's interesting that that was the experience you had because yeah.

一旦碰上那种鱼群爆发（hatch），钓鱼真的特别好玩，但有时候也会让你觉得自己啥也不懂，完全摸不着头脑。

Those hatch they they are just there's so much fun to fish when you get into a hatch like that, but then they also will make you feel like you don't know what you're doing.

比其他任何东西都更甚。

More so than anything else.

对。

Yeah.

真的就像，而且我知道最难的部分是什么，因为你和我们一起遇到了那次孵化。

It's really like and I know what's the hardest part then when you because you got into that hatch with us Yeah.

我们在那里的时候，那些天钓鱼时有什么虫子冒出来？

Where we were out there and what bugs were coming off those days that we fished?

有点像是石蛾。

It was caddies a little bit.

嗯嗯。

Uh-huh.

我们还看到了一些黄萨利。

And we're seeing some yellow sallies.

黄萨利。

Yellow sallies.

然后还有三月褐蜉。

And then there were the March browns

嗯。

Uh-huh.

还有蜉蝣，然后还有蝉，对。

Mayflies, and then there were cicadas Yep.

也在孵化。

Hatching too.

所以你有，你有很多选择。

So you had you had a lot to pick from.

是的。

Yeah.

那么当你遇到这样的孵化时，难在哪里？

So when you get into a hatch like that, what is what's tough about that?

对我来说，最强烈的感觉就是，你知道，光我们看到的就有四种不同的虫子。

I mean, it's for me for me, the overwhelming feeling of, like, there's, you know, four different bugs just that we can see.

对。

Yes.

感觉就像，我们该从哪里开始呢？

It's like, where do we even start there?

然后还得选对鱼饵，接着还要担心怎么抛投。

And then it's like, gotta pick the right fly, and then you're worried about presentation.

但我觉得，嗯，

But I think the yeah.

我觉得当多种虫子同时出现时，最难的是弄清楚鱼到底在吃什么。

I think the hardest part when multiple bugs are coming off is figuring out what the fish are actually eating.

因为虽然石蛾在周围飞来飞去，但并不意味着鱼就盯着石蛾吃。

Because just because the caddis are bouncing around doesn't necessarily mean they're keyed in on the caddis.

是的。

Yeah.

所以这就变得棘手了。

So that that can get tricky.

那对我来说确实挺棘手的。

That was tricky for me for sure.

那你后来是怎么弄明白的？

So how do you figure that out then?

因为我知道这是我们在VFC经常听到的问题，就是比如初夏的时候，虫子很多，因为那时候确实有各种各样的东西在孵化。

Because I know that's a question we hear all the time here at VFC is I go out and, yeah, maybe it's early summer and there's a lot of bugs out because that's when you do have a huge variety of stuff hatching.

对。

Yeah.

那你怎么决定这个时候该绑哪个呢？

How do you how do you decide which one to tie on at that point?

你的流程是什么？

What what's your process?

是的。

So yeah.

我从你们那里学到的一件事，就是试着把它用到日常钓鱼中，那就是坐下来观察。

So one thing that that I learned from you guys is that I'm just like, I've tried to implement in my everyday fishing is just sitting and watching.

对。

Mhmm.

很多时候，你可能觉得没时间坐下来观察，但我觉得这总是值得的。

Like, a lot of the time, you don't feel like you have time to sit and watch, but it's always worth it, I would argue.

比如你到了地方，只有一小时，那就坐下来观察十分钟，甚至五分钟也行。

Like, if you pull up and you only have an hour, sit and watch for ten minutes, five minutes even.

所以关键就是观察，看哪些虫子真的落在水面上。

And so that was one thing, is just sitting and watching what bugs were actually landing on the water.

然后，这对我来说算是颠覆性的，因为我听别人说过，但总觉得，是啊，可没人有时间那么做。

And then, yeah, that was like that was kind of groundbreaking for me because I'd heard people say that, but it's kinda it was kinda one of those things where I was like, yeah, but nobody has time for that.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yeah.

但观察真的非常重要，就是坐下来看。

But that that was huge, was sitting and watching.

还有那些浮起的样子。

And then the rise forms too.

所以你们指出的一个问题是，你知道，当它们吃石蛾时，浮起的样子会溅起更多水花。

So one thing that you guys pointed out is, you know, a a cattice rise when they're hitting cattice, it's a little more splashy.

对。

Mhmm.

因为石蛾有点笨拙。

Because the cattice are a little more they're so they're kind of clumsy.

确实。

They are.

它们确实是的。

They're so yeah.

有点好笑。

It's kind of funny.

所以浮起的样子会溅起更多水花，而吃蜉蝣时，很多时候它们会浮上来轻轻啜食。

So the the the rises are a little more splashy, and then with, a mayfly, a lot of the time, they they kinda come up and they sip the mayfly.

这对我来说也特别有意思，你只要在河里找个地方，观察鱼浮上来，就能从它们的水花大致判断出来。是的。

And that was really interesting to me too, where you could actually see it if you just pick a spot in the river and you watch the fish rise, you can kinda tell from their rice forms Yeah.

它们在吃什么。

What they're eating.

你提到这个我真的很高兴，因为我们在VFC经常讨论这个，而且我们之前并没有商量过。

I'm I'm really glad you brought that up because that's we talk about this all the time at VFC, and we we didn't we didn't powwow before this.

我没有让Riley提这个。

I didn't tell Riley to bring that up.

那完全是自然而然的。

That was all organic.

但是关于观察和等待的价值，怎么强调都不为过。

But that about the value of watching and waiting, it's hard to overstate that.

但我也觉得人们会认为要看出鱼到底在吃什么很难。是的。

But I also think that people assume it's going to be very difficult to spot what the fish are actually eating Yeah.

他们就会直接略过。

That they'll just skip it.

对。

Mhmm.

因为，我自己也经常这样，觉得某件事会很难。

Because and I'm I'm so guilty of this where you think something's gonna be really hard.

觉得它发生的可能性不大，所以干脆就不做了。

The likelihood of it happening is not very high, so you just skip it altogether.

我觉得这是人之常情，

I think that's human nature in

在很多

a lot

方面。

of ways.

所以人们会跳过那个非常重要的步骤，就是观察、等待、学习，看看鱼到底在吃什么。

And so folks will skip that that's very important step of watch and wait and learn and see what the fish are actually eating.

对你来说，做到这一点有多难？

How hard was it to actually do that for you?

有没有你想象的那么难？

Was it as tough as you thought?

我一开始确实觉得，刚开始观察鱼跃的时候，我就想，我肯定看不出鱼到底在吃什么。

I definitely thought well, when we first started, like, watching the rises, I I was like, there's no way I'm gonna be able to tell what the fish are actually eating.

对。

Yeah.

然后我真的看到一只蜉蝣，你知道，很优雅地飘过来，落在水面上，漂了一小会儿，然后一条鱼浮上来把它吃了。

And then I literally watched a mayfly, you know, kinda drift all daintily, land on the water, and go for a little bit, and then a fish came up and ate it.

我当时就想，哦，原来这样，我花了几分钟就看到了。

And I was like, oh, like, that just took me a couple minutes to to watch that.

而且很值得。

And it was worth it.

哦，百分之百值得。

Oh, 100%.

对。

Yeah.

因为我本来会绑一个石蛾，就像看到所有的石蛾在蹦跶，因为石蛾多得多，这也是有趣的地方。

Because I would have tied on a caddis, like just seeing all the caddis bounce because there were way more caddis, that was what was interesting too.

石蛾比蜉蝣多得多。

Way more caddis than there were mayflies.

我们之前说过，这有时是一种掩护性孵化，你看到最多的虫子不一定是它们吃的。

And we talked about that being a masking hatch sometimes where the bug that you see the most of isn't necessarily what they're eating.

而是最容易被它们获取的。

It's what's the most available to

对。

them.

没错。

Exactly.

尤其是石蛾，因为它们飞来飞去的，在水面上待的时间不长。

And with caddis, especially because they're so flighty, they they don't spend a lot of time on the water surface.

蜉蝣待的时间长得多。

The mayfly spent way more time.

当然。

For sure.

所以，是的。

So it's yeah.

这种观察和等待，太有价值了。

That watch and wait, it's so valuable.

我觉得有很多技能对钓鱼人来说很重要，但可能对初学者来说，这个几乎是最重要的。

I think there's a lot of skills we can talk about that matter the most for anglers, but I think that might be especially for beginner, it might be darn near near the top.

我也这么觉得。

I would yeah.

我肯定也这么认为。

I would say so for sure.

我觉得你可以学到很多，即使只是坐在那里，是的。

I think you can learn I learned so much even in just sitting there for Yeah.

而且我们确实，比如我和亚历克斯，有次坐了好一会儿。

And we did end up, like, Alex and I ended up sitting for a while at one point.

那感觉真的很放松，但我也学到了很多，真的。

And it was almost like it was really relaxing, but it was also I learned so much Yeah.

就看着那些虫子，再看看鱼。

Just watching watching the bugs and watching the fish.

真的特别有意思。

It really It's a lot of fun.

不。

No.

谢谢你提醒这点，我觉得这对我们所有人都是一个很好的提醒。

I thank you for bringing that up because I I think that's a great reminder to all of us.

我们确实得这样做。

We gotta do that.

因为我是花了很长时间才明白的。

Because it took me a long time.

我也经历过那个阶段，就是特别容易兴奋。

I was in that same boat where I just get excited.

我一到河边，就只想钓鱼。

I get to the river, just wanna fish.

我不会坐着，我们说的是观察。

I'm not gonna sit we're talking about watching.

我不会去观察。

I'm not gonna watch.

我要钓鱼。

I'm gonna fish.

然后当你真的去观察的时候，你会觉得，哇，那真是太酷了。

And then when you do it, you're like, oh, that's pretty stinking cool.

这就是为什么我要观察，看鱼在做什么，它们的行为是怎样的。

That's why I watch to watch what the fish are doing and how they're behaving.

你看到那些鱼浮起来的地方，有没有让你感到意外？

Were you surprised at where you saw some of those fish rise?

哦，是的。

Oh, yeah.

对。

Yeah.

我很惊讶。

I was shocked.

为什么？

Why?

嗯，我本来以为它们会浮出水面，你知道的，经常听说鱼在接缝处活动。

Well, so I was kind of expecting them to rise, you know, you hear a lot about fish the seams.

对吧？

Right?

钓泡沫线，你知道的，泡沫区就是鱼的家，诸如此类的。

Fish the foam line, you know, foam is home, all that stuff.

我们观察到的大部分鱼都在浅滩区，而且水流还挺急的那种。

And they were most of the fish that we were watching were in riffles, pretty fast riffles too.

浅滩区其实是个很不错的作钓点。

And riffles can be great.

但在我心里，我其实想的是，对，我会一开始就钓那条水线，你知道的。

But in my head, I was kinda like, yeah, like, I'll fish the seam right off the bat, you know.

而且我对它们的位置感到震惊，对。

And I was shocked at at where they yeah.

有多少鱼，实际上甚至有时候在几乎不流动的水里。

How much fish water, are actually Even like barely moving water sometimes.

就像，这太疯狂了。

Like, it's it's crazy.

它们到处冒出来。

They rise everywhere.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

Yep.

它们就像，到处都是。

They're like, they're everywhere.

所以我当时特别惊讶，是的。

And so I was very much surprised Yeah.

没想到它们分布得这么广泛。

At how how all over the place it was.

所以如果我们当时没有停下来观察和等待，你就会错过那些有鱼的水域。

So if we hadn't stopped and watched and waited, you would have skipped water that had fish.

因为

For

当然。

sure.

对。

Yeah.

绝对是这样。

Most definitely.

这又是大家该去做的一个理由了。

Just another reason to do it, folks.

别跳过它。

Don't skip it.

这太重要了。

It's so important.

这

It's

绝对值得。

worth it for sure.

对。

Yeah.

那么关于干蝇钓，你之前提到过一点，但对你来说，学习干蝇钓最难的部分是什么？

So with dry fly fishing then and you you poked at this a little bit, but what's been the toughest part of learning to fish with dry flies for you?

是什么让你想抓狂，干脆去用 nymph 钓法？

What what was the part that made you wanna, like, tear your hair out and fish with nymphs instead?

幸运的是，我已经没有头发可以抓了。

Luckily for me, I don't have hair to tear out anymore.

就剩我的胡子了。

Just my mustache.

不过，是的。

But yeah.

对我来说，最简单的答案就是呈现方式。

I mean, the simple answer for me would just be presentation.

就像，我甚至想到第一次绑上飞钓毛钩和第一次绑上干蝇的区别。

Like like, I even think of the difference between the first time I tied on a streamer and the first time I tied a dry fly on.

我不是说飞钓毛钩容易，但我第一次绑上飞钓毛钩就钓到了一条鱼，而且我当时根本不知道那是什么。

And I'm not saying streamer fishing's easy, but I caught a fish first time I tied a streamer on, and I had no idea what it was.

我就是把它甩出去，让它随水流摆动，然后就钓到鱼了。

I just, like, chucked it out there and let it swing and caught a fish.

是的。

Yeah.

我当时就想，哦，那真是太酷了。

And I was like, oh, that was I was like, that was cool.

我第一次用干式飞蝇的时候，被鱼拒了大概57次，我就想，我到底怎么了？

First time I tied on a dry fly ever, I had, like, 57 rejections from the fish, and I was like, what is wrong with me?

这太糟糕了。

Like, this is horrible.

就像高中时约女孩一样。

It's like back in high school asking a girl

去搭讪。

to paw.

对。

Yeah.

所以展示方式真的很难，尤其是要做出自然漂流的效果。

And so the presentation is really tricky, especially if you have to get a dead a dead drift.

而且有时候你不需要自然漂流。

And sometimes you don't need a dead drift.

有时候你需要让它摆动。

Sometimes you need it swinging.

对。

Yeah.

就像，但不是

Like But not

太过了，因为那样看起来就不真实了。

too much because then it doesn't look real.

对吧？

Right?

或者像钓石蛾的时候，有时候你想要一点，你知道的，一点弹跳的感觉。

Or like with Caddis, sometimes you want a little, you know, a little bounce to him.

对。

Yeah.

这确实挺难的。

It's it's tricky.

所以整个呈现方式，所有的一切，就像，是的。

And so the the presentation just all of it, like yeah.

尤其是，你知道，导引线。

Just, you know, mending especially.

比如，用干蝇导引线把我整惨了，到现在对我来说还是很难。

Like, mending with a dry fly kicked my trash, and it's still like, it's tricky for me.

为什么？

Why?

因为，嗯，用 nymph 导引线感觉更宽容一些，尤其是当你用指示器钓鱼的时候，因为你身上有更多的重量。

Because it well, so mending with nymphs, feel like, is a little more forgiving, especially with your when you're fishing an indicator, just because you got way more weight on.

对吧？

Right?

比如，如果你只有一个甚至只是像十四号 parachute Adams 这样的，而且你还有任何飞线在外面，要导引线而不……真的很难。

Like, if you have a single even just like a size fourteen parachute Adams and you have any fly line out, it's pretty tricky to not, you know, to mend and not

对。

Yeah.

放下你的……好的。

Drop your Okay.

对。

Yeah.

所以那起初也让我很头疼。

And so that kinda kicked my trash at first too.

所以Alex在指导我。

So Alex was walking me through that.

这动作比你想的要轻得多，对吧？

It's a much lighter movement than you would expect, isn't Yeah.

而且你抛出的飞线越少，这对很多人来说可能是显而易见的。

And the less fly line you have out and this is kind of a no brainer for a lot of people, maybe.

但对我来说，我甚至没意识到，我太专注于把飞蝇抛得足够远，但实际上，飞线越少，调整你的前导线和末梢线比调整飞线要容易得多。

But for me, I didn't even I was so focused on getting my fly out far enough, but it was like, the less fly line you have out, it's so much easier to mend your leader and tip it than it is to mend any fly line.

是的。

Yep.

所以即使只是加一两英尺的末梢线来延长你的前导线，那也是被低估的。

And so even if throwing on a foot or two of of tippet to extend your leader, like that is an underrated

对，它

Yes, it

确实。

is.

我觉得是技巧问题。

Skill, I think.

没错。

Yep.

这种技巧没法刻意练习，只能靠实战积累。

It's one of those like, you can't really practice mending, you just have to do it.

对。

Yeah.

没错。

Yeah.

就像练抛竿一样，但修线这事儿，你只能直接上手去练。

It's one of those that you practice casting, but practicing mending, you just gotta go do it.

对。

Yeah.

没错。

Exactly.

太好了。

Awesome.

肯定是展示的问题。

Presentation for sure.

对。

Yeah.

我觉得这在很多情况下都是如此。

I I think that's I think that's pretty true for a lot of it.

但我觉得好处是，你确实会学到很多关于如何展示其他飞蝇的技巧。

But the nice thing I I think too about it is you do end up learning a lot about how to present other flies

对。

Yeah.

一旦你掌握了呈现技巧。

Once you figure out presentation.

我觉得，对于任何一种，而且也许我猜，你有没有机会钓过一些 nymph 和 streamer？

I think I think with any of them, I and maybe I I guess do you see you've had the opportunity to fish nymphs and streamers a little bit.

嗯。

Uh-huh.

你觉得干蝇的呈现技巧和 nymph、streamer 的呈现技巧之间有很多关联吗？

Do you see much correlation between presentation with your dries and the nymphs and streamers?

太多了。

Tons.

是的。

Yeah.

我觉得这有点，嗯，有趣的是，你开玩笑说 nymphing 很容易，比如，哦，是的，nymphing 很容易。

I think it's kind of a well, it's funny, like, you you joke about the about nymphing, like, oh, yeah, nymphing's easy.

对吧？

Right?

对。

Yeah.

谁都能做到。

Anyone can do it.

对。

Yeah.

但这是那种，比如，我在开始玩干蝇钓之前，都没注意到我的 nymph 钓组有那么多拖拽。

But it is one of those things, like, nymphing is one of those I didn't start noticing all the drag that I had on my nymph rigs until I started dry fly fishing.

对。

Yeah.

我当时就想，哦，现在这个正在拖拽。

Where I was like, oh, that's that's dragging right now.

就像，我敢肯定那看起来不太自然。

Like, that I'm sure that doesn't look super natural.

是的。

Yep.

然后说到飞钓饵，飞钓饵的关键就在于呈现方式，而且显然是一种不同的呈现方式。

And then with streamers, it's streamers is all about presentation and it's a different kind of presentation, obviously.

你知道，我觉得很多时候，你至少希望你的飞钓饵有一点动作。

You know, I would say a lot of the time, you want at least a little bit of movement in your streamers.

对。

Yep.

但我觉得这有助于你，因为干式飞钓时，你会非常专注于呈现方式，这能让你意识到，在你所有其他的钓鱼方式中，这才是钓鱼的精髓。

But it helps you I feel like with dry fly fishing, you're so laser focused on the presentation that it helps you realize with all your other other forms of fishing, that it's all that's what fishing is all about.

你觉得这能帮助你更好地想象那些你看不见的飞蝇的呈现效果吗？

Do think it helps you visualize the presentation better with the flies you can't see?

我觉得当然可以。

I think so, for sure.

是的。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

这个概念我一直觉得很难教，不管是在播客里还是在我们的钓鱼视频里，你能看到干式飞蝇在水面上的表现，但大多数时候你看不到你的 nymphs。

That's a concept that I have a hard time figuring out how to teach, whether it's on the podcast or in one of our how we fish videos where you know you could see the dry fly and you can see how it's acting on the water, but you can't see your nymphs most of

大多数时候。

the time.

大多数时候你也看不到你的 streamers。

You can't see your streamers most of the time.

对。

Yeah.

所以你必须想象它应该是什么样子。

And so you've gotta have this visualization of what it needs to look like.

我觉得如果你能做到这一点，就更容易把它实际应用到水面上。

And I think if you have that, it's easier to translate that to actually happen on the water.

我是不是想错了？

Am I up in the night

还是你？不。

or do you No.

我百分之百同意。

I a 100% agree.

对。

Yeah.

我觉得钓干式飞蝇就像，你很多时候能得到即时反馈。

I think dry fly fishing is like, you get immediate feedback a lot of

你确实能。

the You do.

对吧？

Right?

所以就像，很多时候你能看到鱼抬头看，如果它们又沉下去，

So it's like and a lot of the time, you can see the fish like, look up and If they go back

那

down, the

那种情况就像，哦，今天

one that's like, oh, today

去租。

to rent.

对。

Yeah.

用拟饵的话，你根本不知道鱼是不是在拒绝你的拟饵。

With nymphs, it's like, have no idea if they're rejecting your nymphs.

你可以猜，但我觉得飞蝇钓能帮你

Like, you can you can guess, but I think dry fly fishing can help you

调整一下？

Dial that in?

对。

Yeah.

注意你的 nymph 钓组上的阻力，或者

Notice kind of the drag that you have on your nymph rigs or

这又是为什么干飞钓鱼在世界上占据主导地位的原因之一。

Yet another reason why dry fly fishing reigns supreme in the world.

说得对，兄弟。

Amen, brother.

哦，哟。

Oh, yo.

不开玩笑了。

All kidding aside.

这真的太好玩了。

It's just so much fun.

就是，就是

It's it's

确实如此。

It really is.

而且我在最近的节目里已经聊过很多次了。

And I've talked about this a lot on recent episodes of the show.

对吧？

Right?

就是做你喜欢的事。

It's do what you enjoy.

百分之百。

100%.

对我来说就是这样，对你显然也是如此。

That's just what it is for me and for you, obviously, as well.

这就是我们喜欢的事情。

It's just it's what we enjoy.

对。

Yeah.

如果你今天重新开始飞钓，完全是新手，充满热情和乐观。

If you were starting over fly fishing today, you're starting brand new, bright eyed, and bushy tailed, all full of optimism.

你会从学习干蝇钓开始，还是觉得你会从学习若虫、飞绳钓或湿蝇开始？

Would you start out learning how to fish with dry flies, or do you think you would start out learning nymphs or streamers or wet flies?

哦，天哪。

Oh, man.

如果我要重新开始的话。

If I was starting over.

对。

Yeah.

听起来很痛苦。

Sounds miserable.

开玩笑的。

Just kidding.

不。

No.

有时候确实会，因为你会想到现在拥有的所有知识，以及获得这些知识所付出的代价。

It does sometimes because you think of all this knowledge you have now and what it took to get it.

那些日子，是的。

When the days yeah.

那些被打得落花流水的日子。

The days of just getting your butt kicked.

对。

Yeah.

我就想，哦，我可不想回去。

I'm like, oh, I don't wanna go back.

就是准备把一切都卖掉的时候？

Of just being ready to sell everything?

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

对。

Yeah.

开始打高尔夫什么的？

Start start golfing or something?

再也不干这行了。

Never doing this ever again.

对。

Yeah.

不。

No.

我得说，我得说是干式飞钓。

I would have to say I would have to say dry fly fishing.

对。

Yeah.

光是学到的那些东西，比如我们刚才聊的展示技巧，还有其他方面，就已经让我成为更好的钓手了。

Just the the amount of even just the things that I've learned, like we were talking about with presentation, with other things, like, just has made me a better angler.

而且我觉得，如果你能——我也觉得，我会说干式飞钓是最有成就感的。

And I think if you can I also think drive I would argue dry fly fishing is the most rewarding?

所以如果你能从干式飞钓开始，我相信有人会反驳，但无所谓。

And so if you can start out with dry fly fishing, and I'm sure people anyone can argue that, whatever.

但对我来说，就是能骗鱼一路游上来，对。

But for me, it's like being able to trick the fish to come all the way up Yep.

这真的挺有成就感的。

Like, that's pretty stinking rewarding.

而且确实如此。

And then It is.

正确扬竿，真的，太神奇了。

Setting the hook correctly, like, it's it's amazing.

所以我觉得如果我从干式飞钓开始，然后让这些概念慢慢渗透到其他钓鱼方式中，我想，我想那会更好。

And so I think if I started out with dry fly fishing and then let those concepts kinda trickle down into my other fishing, I think I think it would have been yeah.

我肯定会那么做。

I would definitely do that.

是的。

Yeah.

我有点同意你的看法。

I kinda agree with you.

很多人一开始学的是用若虫，我也是，但我希望我没有那样。

I started out a lot of people learning with nymphs, and I wish I wouldn't have.

因为我确实觉得，先学飞钓，好处会更多，我是这么认为的。

Because I do think drive fly fishing, learning that first has a lot more benefits, I think.

对。

Yeah.

不是说它比其他钓鱼方式更好。

Not that it's better than any other form of fishing.

我只是觉得，对很多人来说，它在学习过程中带来的好处更多。

I just think it's got more benefits for the learning process for a lot of people.

对。

Yeah.

我也这么觉得。

I think so too.

太好了。

Awesome.

除了听这个获奖的优秀播客和我们在VFC的视频之外，对你成功掌握飞钓来说，最大的技巧或教训是什么？

Well, other than listening to this award winning excellent podcast and our videos here at VFC, What's been the biggest tip or lesson that's helped you succeed with dry fly fishing?

如果是

And if it's

这里的内容也行。

something from here too, that's fine.

对。

Yeah.

开玩笑归开玩笑，对吧？

Mean Kidding aside, right?

我们就是这么做的，就是去教别人。

That's what we do, we try and teach.

对。

Yeah.

不是的。

No.

就像你们那样，对吧？

Like you guys yeah.

就像我得到的信息，我的意思是，我一刚开始钓鱼，我姐夫就说，哥们，我刚发现了这些人。

Like I the information that I I mean, as soon as I started fishing, my brother-in-law was like, dude, I just found these guys.

对。

Yeah.

他们教新手，然后我们就开始尽可能多地看他们的内容。

They teach beginners, and we just started watching everything we could.

但我认为重要的是获取信息，然后去河边、湖边或溪流里实践。

But I think it's really important to take the information and then go apply it on the river or the lakes or streams or whatever it is.

特别是干蝇钓，把假蝇放在鱼面前，让它们看起来逼真，就像那样。

For dry fly fishing specifically, the put flies in front of fish and make them look real, like that.

比如，如果你只知道这一点关于飞钓，我觉得你就能成功，因为事情很容易被复杂化，也很容易陷入追求最新蝇饵或最新技巧的漩涡，但如果你能让那只虫子看起来逼真，你就会收获满满。

Like, if you just know that about fly fishing, you can be successful, I think, because it's so easy to overcomplicate things, and it's so easy to get caught up in the the newest fly or the newest tactic or whatever it is, where it's like, if you can make that bug look real, you're you're in you're in for a treat.

对吧？

Right?

所以我觉得那个建议就是，尽可能多学。

And so I think that advice of just, yeah, learning as much as you possibly can.

而且有一点就是，我有点那种强迫症的性格。

And that's one thing that I'm like, I I have kind of an obsessive personality.

我其实不太会，但如果我迷上某件事，我就会全身心投入。

I don't really if I get into something, like, I'm all in.

对。

Yeah.

对于飞钓来说，就像，我不再听音乐了。

And for fly fishing, it's like, I don't listen to music anymore.

我直接听播客。

I get straight straight podcasts.

我列了一个四五个播客的清单，都是我听的。

I got a list of four or five podcasts that I listen to.

哦，那太棒了。

Oh, it's awesome.

而且它们一直在播放。

And it's they're just constantly playing.

对。

Yeah.

而且视频方面，我除了飞钓视频基本不看别的，因为我想尽可能多学点，然后去实践，再分享给我的朋友和家人。

And the videos, like, I don't really watch anything except for fly fishing videos because it's like, I wanna learn as much as I possibly can, and then I wanna go apply it and I wanna share it with, you know, the my friends and family.

那太棒了。

That's awesome.

因为这对我来说太有趣了。

Because of how much fun it's been for me.

在《Untangled》的每一集里，我们都会回答问题。

So in every other episode of Untangled, we take questions.

我们喜欢回答所有听众和观众的问题。

We like to answer questions from all the listeners and viewers.

我们还是会这样做，但这次我想让你来回答。

And we're still gonna do that, but I'm gonna have you them this time.

哎呀。

Oh, boy.

那我们来做一轮快速问答，我挑了一些最近经常被问到的问题来跟你过一遍。

So we're gonna do a little rapid fire question round, and I just grab some commonly asked questions that we've gotten a lot of recently to go through with you.

首先，你余生只能用一只干蝇和一只若虫钓鱼。

So first up, you only get to fish one dry fly and one nymph for the rest of your life.

你会选哪两只？为什么？

What are you picking and why?

我能选不同尺寸的吗？

Can I have different sizes in those flies?

可以。

Yes.

好的。

Okay.

我觉得不选降落伞亚当斯就太傻了。

I mean, I feel like I'd be silly not to go with the parachute Adams.

因为即使你选个大号的降落伞亚当斯，甩下去，它们可能会误以为是蚂蚱。

Because even you pick a big parachute Adams, slap that down, They might mistake it as like a hopper.

我不知道。

I don't know.

有可能。

They might.

我在石蝇孵化时钓过它们。

I've fished them in stonefly hatches.

对。

Yeah.

好吧，我盒子里只有那个。

Well, that's all I had in my box.

就是这样。

There you go.

所以，是的，我觉得我可能会选降落伞亚当斯。

So, yeah, I I feel like I'd probably have to go with a parachute Adams.

若虫。

Nymph.

当然，我们问了干蝇专家关于若虫的问题。

Of course, we asked the dry fly guy the nymph question.

所以

So

我不知道。

I don't know.

我的意思是，很难不提到斑马蚊，因为它们太……我是说，你可以全年钓它们。

I mean, it's hard to not say in zebra midge just because they're so I mean, you can fish them year round.

对。

Yeah.

我可能不得不说是斑马蚊。

I'd probably have to say zebra midge.

好的。

Alright.

我觉得这对钓鳟鱼来说很不错。

I think that's pretty good for trout fishing.

这很难被超越，是的。

It's gonna be tough to beat that Yeah.

好的，没问题。

All alrighty.

你会花一千美元或更多钱买一根飞钓竿吗？

Would you ever spend a thousand dollars or more on a fly rod?

为什么或为什么不呢？

Why or why not?

我其实刚和我妻子聊过这个话题。

I just had this conversation with my wife actually.

因为我给她看了一根竿子，她说那太离谱了。

Because she she's I was showing her a rod and she was like she's like, that's ridiculous.

不可能。

There's no way.

所以我认真想了想。

And I was and so I thought a lot about it.

我觉得，我真的不觉得我会买。

I think, I really don't think I would.

我会试着找找有没有折扣之类的。

I would try and find a discount of some sort.

对。

Yeah.

我觉得我没法说服自己花一千美元买一根飞钓竿。

I don't think I could bring myself to spend a thousand dollars on a fly rod.

但为什么呢？

Why not though?

这是你热爱的事情啊。

It's something you love doing.

对吧？

Right?

是的。

It is.

就是那一千块钱，不知怎么的，在我心里总觉得是个坎儿。

It's just the thousand dollars for some reason in my head.

我就在想，这钱花得值不值，我有点拿不定主意。

I'm like, I don't know if I can justify that.

除非到了非买不可的地步，不然……

Unless it got to the point where shoot.

哎呀，你这一说，我都开始怀疑自己刚才的决定了。

Now you're making me second guess myself.

不客气。

You're welcome.

不行。

No.

我得说声不。

I gotta say no.

我得拒绝。

I gotta say no.

我会花，是的。

I would spend yeah.

我得花不到一千美元买一张往返机票。

I would have to spend less than a thousand dollars on a flight around.

好的。

Okay.

你之前提到过，你挺喜欢露营的。

So you mentioned earlier though, you like camping quite a bit.

哦，对。

Oh, yeah.

对吧？

Right?

那你会在露营装备上花大钱吗？

So would you spend big money on camping gear?

我可能会，对吧？

I probably would Yeah?

因为这对我妻子和未来的孩子有好处。

Because it would benefit my wife and my future kids.

那么，一根好的飞钓竿也一样。

So so would a nice fly rod.

确实。

That's true.

因为快乐的丈夫是更好的丈夫。

Because a happy husband is a better husband.

确实。

That's true.

如果你有好东西，你会开心的。

And you're gonna be happy if you got nice stuff.

对吧？

Right?

确实。

That's true.

哎呀，天哪。

Oh, man.

我只是在这里唱唱反调而已。

I was just playing devil's advocate here.

我其实并不在意。

I don't really care.

对吧？

Right?

我只是好奇，因为现在飞钓竿之间的差距真的很大。

I'm just curious because there is that big chasm between fly rods these days.

是的。

Yeah.

有人们真正买得起的，然后就是那种上千美元的。

Stuff that people can actually afford, and then the thousand dollar

我还要说，我试过上千美元的飞钓竿，我当时就想，哇，这竿子真不错。

I plus will say, like, I've casted a thousand dollar fly rod before, and I was like, man, this is a nice rod.

但我也注意到，它上面全是那些花哨的东西，最花哨的配置。

But I also noticed that it had all the fancy had the fanciest stuff on

对。

it.

嗯。

Mhmm.

对我来说，就像我有一根旧鱼竿，是我爷爷给我的，大概值600美元。

And for me, it's like like I have an older rod that my granddad gave me that's I mean, it's probably a $600 rod.

我没觉得这两根竿子有太大区别。对。

And I didn't notice a huge difference between the two Yeah.

不知道这么说你能不能理解。

If that makes sense.

当然，我还是个新手，你知道的。

And granted, I'm still, you know, I'm still a beginner.

但所以也许这就是我的答案，我宁愿花500、600、700美元。

But so maybe that's that would be my answer is I'd rather spend 500, 600, 700

你不需要那些花哨的东西。

You or don't need all the fancy stuff.

对。

Yeah.

不需要最高档的软木握把那些。

Don't need the highest end cork grip and all that stuff.

嗯，就像汤姆·摩根，他以前拥有温斯顿，后来卖掉了温斯顿，在去世前创办了汤姆·摩根钓竿公司。

Well, and it's like Tom Morgan, he used to own Winston, and then he sold Winston and started Tom Morgan Rod Smith before he died.

他是有史以来最有影响力的钓竿设计师之一。

One of the most influential rod designers to ever live.

他有句话：好飞钓竿永远是好飞钓竿。

He had a saying, a good fly rod is always a good fly rod.

对。

Yeah.

我百分之百相信。

And I believe that a 100%.

当然。

For sure.

那些老款的，比如老款的Winston，我收藏了一大堆老款Winston，它们都很棒。

That the old stuff, like, the old Winston's, I've got a big collection of the old Winston's, they're great.

对。

Yeah.

老款的像Sage XP，老款的Sage，嗯。

The old say the Sage XP, the old sages Mhmm.

我喜欢那些轻巧的东西。

Love those sneaking things.

它们钓起来特别有意思。

They're so much fun to fish.

对。

Yeah.

因为它们就是好竿子。

Because they're they're just good rods.